Personally, I think Song of Days Past is most effective in Hypercarry teams, where majority of the damage will come from one unit. I find my Raiden+Baizhu to enjoy this set quite nicely.
Clam set is perfect for cryo/electro healers like qiqi since she can be paired for the superconduct reaction and can almost max the 30K healing everytime she uses her E Skill. Plus she is also viable as a physical normal attack build while also healing greatly
Actually, ohc was created for on field Kokomi to allow her deal some damage while on field. No character can heal consistently 30k every 3 seconds. Only, if you play on field Kokomi, Barbara or Qiqi. If you give it to off field character, it will deal almost no damage
I think is more about understanding the different uses for each set and being able to pick/customize whichever you prefer or is more optimal to your team, as an example, Kokomi as a healer will be more beneficial to the team if she further enables the dps damage output with Dragon Slayers but as the main driver in a taser team Prototype Amber will be better for the team's damage and uptime, in the same way, Maiden's Beloved will benefit better teams that require a higher healing output such as Bennett/Furina while Ocean Hued will be better for teams in which the healer has a high and consistent healing output to reach the bubble's cap constantly such as the Kokomi taser and Days Past will be more useful for healers with a good output that don't do much more than that like Barbara now being able to not only keep the hypercarry alive but also buff their damage... From there you can make character specific cases such as Spread Alhaitham/Deepwood Baizhu, VV Jean or Bennett double buffing attack trough his burst and noblesse but I really like now that all the healer sets found home creating a flexible environment for their usage competing with other support sets that might be better on an actual support (like a Wriothesley/Furina/Noblesse Shenhe/Maiden Bennett... which I know might not be totally optimal but attack goes brrrrrr and serves for a functional illustrative purpose assuming Wriothesley total hp is kept as low as possible and Bennett healing output is maximized and manages to land chunky enough heals over the 6k or 7k with good timing to top the main dps and trigger those Furina heals)
Yeah, a lot of choices. And still other things to consider. The nice thing about the new set is that it helps anyone and everyone. So if your healer doesn't output enough sustained HPS to Clam (and most don't), the new set will do something regardless of the group the character is in. But conversely, the new set, to do anything notable, needs to be timed. You want a character with high DMG, high CrD, and maybe vape/melt using the charges, ideally against a single high hp target. Which means that character needs to be on-field 6s after the healing starts. This is a very important thing to keep in mind. Content creators testing this set will generally try to time it. Actual players? Probably not so much. So, for a sizeable portion of players, I expect the practical numbers will fall far short of the theoretical.And certain characters can mess it up easily. Kokomi, for example, has 12s on JF, and can refresh its duration with her burst, giving her 100% healing uptime. That means a new five charges every 6s, which is unlikely to align with rotations. Is that something most players are going to consider? Probably not. There's also the number of targets. Generally speaking, in a high target environment, you're dealing with lower hp enemies, ones that'll die from AoEs you're using anyway, so any charges used there are essentially wasted. Sure, the new set did damage, but "win more" damage, rather than "more wins" damage. But Clam is AoE, so can damage those, while still always being available to hit the high hp enemies.
The reason your Ganyu test with the new set had her doing more damage solo than in the team is the 5 hit cap, the rotation meant the other characters were using some of those hits from one instance and the second instance was less recorded healing due to the time in between Kokomi's E procs. Kokomi's E ticks for healing every 2 seconds for 12 seconds and 7 ticks total, the first tick being on cast and always heals Kokomi herself. So the first instance starts with 4 ticks(Initial cast then at 2, 4, and 6 seconds), as soon as that instance expires after 5 hits the next is recorded, if the instance expired between ticks than only 2 ticks will be recorded. If the 2 ticks are not 15k healing then that instance will not be the full 1200 buff. In the test from the time of Kokomi's initial cast you actually used all 5 hits of the first instance between Ganyu burst and Kazuha hits, The second instance started just before Ganyu landed her first charged attack with only 2 Kokomi healing ticks recorded. Assuming your Kokomi is talent level 10 on her E with the stats shown(including healing bonus) each tick heals for 6,180 so with only 2 ticks on the second instance that's just 12,360 healing which means the set only provided a damage bonus of 988 instead of the 1200. A healing bonus head piece on Kokomi would fix this. Replacing her HP head piece with a Healing bonus head piece with at least a 15% Max HP substat(a mid roll) would give her 39,702 Max HP and a 76% healing bonus. So 2 ticks of her E here would equal 14,349 or 1,148 bonus damage. Small note, Prototype amber passive does not matter to these calculations because it triggers on burst and this was all based on Kokomi's E alone.
@kakerumitsuragi1305 in all other cases of a hit capped buff, each enemy hit counts as a hit. So an AoE that hits 5 enemies will deal that bonus damage and end the buff. An AoE that hits 6 targets will deal the bonus damage to only 5 of them. Also, this damage only applies to direct damage from a character, which doesn't include transformative reactions, bloom based damage, or damage instances triggered from gear(like ocean hued clam or skyward atlas).
quick answer to do not waste 10 min: the dmg is similar bubble for melee comps new set to ranged or multi hit characters (alheitan, kquing, ayaka etc) good video.
So if i put it this way I use yoimiya And i use that new set for kokomi yoimiya stronk and hu tao weak If i use hu tao and use ocean hued hu tao stronk But yoimiya weak
The new set will buff all dmg but must be use manually. Suitable for buffing specific reaction or atk into single enemy. While clam limited to additional physical dmg automatically but AoE.
The 2 different team scenarios you said is correct and justify the new set is not totally useless. But if compare solely dmg alone, it is well known that the total dmg of a whole team is better than a hypercarry(which is why national teams are so popular) unless the hypercarry can do godly dmg that exceed the dmg of a whole team combined.
Depends on what your doing with your healer. A koko During her burst with clam makes a good Sub DPS phased for your team. I think SoDP is actually going to be used more long term cause that Buff is pretty good for your DPS.
For example, let’s say you use kokomi with neuvillette: 1. you can’t use tenacity because the atk bonus does nothing for neuvillette 2. you can’t use clam cause you don’t onfield your kokomi 3. maidens - neuvi doesn’t care about the heals, no other buffs 4. you can use the new set (song of the day past), it will buff your neuvillette Let’s say you use baizhu-nevillette-furina 1. tenacity- useless, like I said- no atk scaling characters 2. clam- useless, u don’t onfield baizhu 3. deepwood (baizhu’s traditional set) - useless, no dendro dmg in the team 4. maidens - can use, it will help you get furina stacks faster, no other buffs tho 5. new set - perfect for this situation, enables heals which will help with furina stacks, will buff neuvillette. In short, the new set is more UNIVERSAL than the ones we already have, - clam requires u to onfield your healer - tenacity buffs your team but it’s useless for atk scaling characters - maidens is good with furina but gives no other dmg buffs. The new set can be used in all situations and will work perfectly fine
Hi! Thank you! I don't really recommend Kokomi with Arlecchino since Kokomi will not be able to heal Arle due to Arle's healing restrictions during combat. Only Arlecchino herself can heal hers. Both Ocean hued and SODP is reliant on the amount of healing so it might not be very efficient with Arlecchino since there is no healing with Arle. However, outside that team I use SODP with kokomi since I like the buff more than extra physical damage from Ocean hued 😊😊
@@EarlbedoPlays I see I understand thank you and the reason I use kokomi is because my supports like Benny and xiangling tend to die quickly and kokos skill also helps with vape
The only way i can see the new set working is with new types of units that either A can retain the buffs they are given for longer (maybe only buffs given by Weapons or Artifact but can come from the weapons and Artifacts of other characters) B healer characters that can have the buffs the give to others last longer other than that i can't think of anything else at the moment that would make that healing set relevant
Bennet with furina is disgusting on this set, he has 100% uptime and even with a suboptimal healing build he consistently reaches the cap. You factor in Furina’s 75% dmg buff on top of all the crit modifiers and damage bonus goblets/kit which means so much bonus damage.
Thanks for another amazing vid Kuya Earl! I'm excited to try the new healing artif for Xianyun & Sigewinne in the future hehe also hope we get good Navia artifs too in process. Advance Happy new year piii!
This set works well for Qiqi in co-op since it can potentially gain more benefits from buffing everyone with nearly 100% uptime. Qiqi's A4 talent: lasts 6 seconds (refreshes every 30 seconds) Qiqi's Q. Burst: lasts 15 seconds Qiqi's E. Skill: lasts 15 seconds So you start with her A4 talent then Q right when SoDP buff falls off and then follow by her E when Q falls off. Once both Q and E finish, A4 talent is back up. Hopefully, Qiqi's burst will be refilled by the time A4 is used for the second time to start one more rotation. However, there lies the issue with her E is still on Cooldown once the second rotation comes around, but that is already 40 seconds into the fight, and hopefully, everything is already over by then.
@@EarlbedoPlays Still need testing, though. From the artifact description, it seems like it is limited to 5 attacks from 'active party member' per 'Waves of Days Past', which means Qiqi herself would take away the buff if she is doing auto-attacks, right? Unless the buff is not shared among party members... Also, if her A4 and Q is counted toward 'Yearning' effect while she is off-field, then the previously mentioned rotation still works. Otherwise, Qiqi has to be quickswap to do the healing during her E phase.
Both of them will still work, as the artifacts record healing of the EQUIPPING character and not the others. If you're asking about the damage, however: For furina, because of her buff most likely the damage buff of SoDP will be higher, but she cannot buff Ocean Hued Bubble Damage 😊
I can do My first full Star Abyss with Kokomi dps with Furina, it's pretty good if You use anemo like Kazuha or Sacarosa and any other element, i choose electro with Fischl
I heard once you must use the healer' skill before the DPS, if not you'll end up losing damage. I mean, only use the song of days past wielder at the end of the rotation just before the DPS so your carry can "get" the buff from the healer set
Basically for 6 seconds it will record the 15,000 healing required to reach the maximum buff 😃 So you are correct, it's better to use the healer first to activate the 4pc effect 😊 However it depends on your rotation, if you use your healer before the DPS it might be a little to late since the buff takes effect AFTER 6 seconds or your healer can be the second one in the rotation. But then again this will depend on the team you have 😄
This set is made to boost HoYo's favourite little boy Xiao after Xianyun banner. But also this set is to boost Raiden with new hypercarry team Raiden, Chaveruse, Sara and Bennett. After Chaveruse banner she can at c6 : Decrease 40% Electro/Pyro RES 40% attack to all Pyro/Electro units Give 6 energy every 10 seconds for active chatacter Increase Electro/Pyro DMG max to 60% And give flat damage buff from Song of Days Past. Raiden c2/c3 havers, prepare your wallets because new huge NUKE Raiden incomming.
LOL! And everyone back at the leaks subreddit were malding over how bad SoDP is due to OHC best case scenario. SoDP is not for on field driver healers like Kokomi. Its for Burst Healers or off field healers that racks up the passive over 10 sec to be used by the teams DPS
The difference is not that big because flat damage is better for fast attakers instead of bigg hits. Ganyu has a high % damage on her charged arrows so its more noticeable when the damage is low without buffs but after buffs the damage increased so much that flat upgrade doesn't matter. Instead for example wanderer can proc the 5 hits supper fast with NA and can start to charge new hits making a better profit of the set.
Among other issues, like its minimum 6 second downtime, I feel like Songs losses any advantage it could have over Ocean Hued Clam, as soon as there is more than 1 enemy on the feild. This set simply is not practical in most cases. The ONLY use case I can think of is in DPS nuke showcases.
would it be good for baizhu? i use baizhu in cyno and yae teams, and sometimes with neuvilette and currently use noblesse oblige, but i was already thinking of switching to something else. this set would work for both cyno/yae and neuv since it doesnt matter what they scale of right?
It would be Okay but not the best. Baizhu's teams usually revolve around electro and dendro which means there might be other better artifacts he can use such as Deepwood which would be much better! But you are right it's a flat damage buff so regardless of what scaling the character is, it would work 😃😄
@@kieragard We have only abyss12 as "endgame". 36 all the time. Sometimes it is really hard to do, but i never felt i need a damn healer. It it always hard because of "not enough dps".
@@Sirindilable oh please, are you really going to pretend you don't use any other sustain aside from Zhongli. We're not stupid, lol. DPS checks in abyss isn't even bad even if I bring Kokomi with me.
Hmmm the 5 hits from SDP does this work with AOE hits? For example lisa charge E and 5 enemies in the circle is the buff over or did this count as 1 hit?
The fact that SoDP's passive also works with ult sadly makes bad synergies with character like ayato, ganyu, etc. Bc the ult will steal stacks, hopefully they will bring more characters that can be effectively buffed by that set like: Neuvillette > Navia
Since all of my teams are some variations of HyperCarry this set is far more useful for me. I want to put SoDP on Chevreuse and see how it works on a few hypercarry Raiden teams. She'll be providing 40% ATK, up to 60% DMG bonus, SoDP Flat DMG bonus, and Electro shred if i'm not using Furina. If i get C6 I'd want to see how she does alongside Furina. As fun as Sunfire Jean is this will let me put Bennett elsewhere if need to. First thing I want to try though with C6 Chevruese is Raiden/Sara/Bennet/Chevruese. I can't wait for people to 1 bang everything.
Really depends on the DPS/teams SODP has a limit, so Characters that has multiple damage sources (NA then Burst etc) might not utilize this well. But if the DPS just uses NA for example, then you can weigh of the 5 dmg increase is worth it for you! But if I were in your position, I'd still use SODP :)
I don't have kokomi, but my Barbara with clam set can reach the 30k Healing cap bubble quickly because of her Burst I wonder if kokomi's signature artifact(clam set) is better for Barbara...
I think I might farm the Song of Days past for Baizhu once I start building Navia, since this set can help him buff Neuvillette. And besides, there's no need to use deepwood for Baizhu in this case cause dendro is not the star of Neuvillette carry team.
Really depends on your team however VV will be better generaltycoz unlike SODP it doesn't really have a limitation as long as she swirls with her burst On the other hand, SODP will be great if she is paired with Xiao or maybe wanderer.
6:56 The more someone is buffed, the less a given buff will work on them. 10 + 10 = 100% increase 50 + 10 = 20% increase 100 + 10 = 10% increase It's mainly due to Kazuha buffing Ganyu since he, too, gives elemental dmg via his ult and VV shred.
Between the 2, Ocean Hued would be better, since Navia's burst can steal some of the buff from SoDP. But if you do not have a Noblesse user in the team, maybe use that instead 😄
Might rebuilding my dps Qiqi again ig. Such a waste my Clam qiqi was benched cuz dendro & cryo doesn't have an e.rxn. if it does, my Baizhu & qiqi gonna be slaying all the bosses in teyvat.
I mean Zhongli and Kazuha both increase the flat damage by quite a lot, since you’re not only benefiting from Kazuha’s dmg buff but also the cryo res shred from VV and Zhongli, so of course the difference will be bigger with the buffs.
@@wait_what9552 Yes, they are multiplicative, but flat damage is added before the multiplication. It's just distributive property. (a + b) * c = a * c + b * c Notice how both a and b are multiplied.
My Furina heals 4500 at max per tick, so she might reach the 15,000 cap in less than 6 seconds, so it's possible and will be interesting! But I think having her with Golden Troupe will give higher DPS for the team since her crablet deals huge damage along with the other 2 pets.
It's good for healer Furina because it will buff the team when heal. Furina kit can also prolong other healer healing. On Furina, more heal = more fanfare count. Fanfare count stops when your hp is half.
No, big numbers change nothing because the set gives u adittive damage. Which means it gives u flat damage and the maximum flat damage this set can give u per hit is 1200. This damage can be upgraded by mutlipliers (elemental/phsyic damage, crit damage and extra bonuses like Normal attack bonus damage) and can be even better by shredding defenses or resistances. If u do the maths, in a common situation of a normal player that is not a whale it is around 4K damage, if u shred some resistances u can get to 6K that is like the maximum a common player would reach, the set gives u 5 stacks so basically its 30K damage in 1 rotation which is TOO low. And u deal that damage if u crit every hit, if u dont you lose a lot of damage. So this set is kind trash, if u want a healing set the inazuma one is a lot better because it works without your main DPS stats
I don't think so, because it would only affect Kaveh's melee damage, while Bloom damage is only decided by EM. Either Deepwood or Instructor might be better
I understand your point, but the comparison stems from people asking which is better between the 2. As both has the same 2pc healing set and both can be used by most healers without the restriction of having attack scaling team mates. And both of them are exclusively created for healers unlike the Tenacity. Nevertheless, I think comparing Millelith with SoDP makes sense and will be interesting! 😄
I agree, those are two healers set without restrictions for healers, it's just that because of their opposite paths, it feels a bit weird to compare them, like comparing Kuki Shinobu and Bennett because they both heal while they do totally different things.
Song is not good for Kokomi cuz she can't crit, meaning when she Burst it basically does add wet noodle damage. It's great for Furina teams though since Furina's Burst adds a ton of Damage bonus. You should have done a test with Furina.
The test was to see if the Character being buffed deals better damage . It was NOT intended FOR KOKOMI. But it was used to buff other characters NOT HER. Obviously kokomi does not Crit so I did not test the damage buff for Her but for the character she supports. I recommend watching the whole video 😊
So both are good sets. Just one is more for main healers and the other is for support healers. The team composition also matters. Seems like the Song of Days Past would probably work well on Gorou
Tenacity and Noblesse only benefit Attack scaling characters, during Fontaine and even before we were introduced to non attack scaling characters, so it's not always better. It really depends on your team
I think this set for furina support, those who want to clearly abandon her dps role and embrace her other form, first she consume our HP then turn into white mode and record healing and stuff, since most likely we paired her with another healer who also can use this artifact to record more healing then the team will be busted for someone like neuvilette or navia. This made for furina team
This is an interesting take! Tho I can say that Furina having Golden Troupe will outdamage Furina wearing the new set, since her skill will most likely deal more damage than the buff of the new set I really believe this set is made for a new upcoming Character - Xianyun , at least for now. 😀😄
NEVER in the video I said "I do not know" and "I'll use whatever feels best" I had a whole section where literally mentioned how much the artifacts deal damage and buffs. ( You will see that in the DAMAGE TEST part) I also even gave suggestions and recommendations on when you should use either of them. So I am not sure if you watched the video full.
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Personally, I think Song of Days Past is most effective in Hypercarry teams, where majority of the damage will come from one unit. I find my Raiden+Baizhu to enjoy this set quite nicely.
New set buff other unit while clam only adding additional physical aoe dmg.
Clam set is perfect for cryo/electro healers like qiqi since she can be paired for the superconduct reaction and can almost max the 30K healing everytime she uses her E Skill. Plus she is also viable as a physical normal attack build while also healing greatly
Just remember,OHC is for off field DPS healer, and SoDP is for buff support healer.
So, SoDP is for fast healer who buffs like Baizhu?
What?
Actually, ohc was created for on field Kokomi to allow her deal some damage while on field. No character can heal consistently 30k every 3 seconds. Only, if you play on field Kokomi, Barbara or Qiqi. If you give it to off field character, it will deal almost no damage
Not really, most healers can't heal more when they're strictly off field so the bubble dmg is just whatever.
I think is more about understanding the different uses for each set and being able to pick/customize whichever you prefer or is more optimal to your team, as an example, Kokomi as a healer will be more beneficial to the team if she further enables the dps damage output with Dragon Slayers but as the main driver in a taser team Prototype Amber will be better for the team's damage and uptime, in the same way, Maiden's Beloved will benefit better teams that require a higher healing output such as Bennett/Furina while Ocean Hued will be better for teams in which the healer has a high and consistent healing output to reach the bubble's cap constantly such as the Kokomi taser and Days Past will be more useful for healers with a good output that don't do much more than that like Barbara now being able to not only keep the hypercarry alive but also buff their damage... From there you can make character specific cases such as Spread Alhaitham/Deepwood Baizhu, VV Jean or Bennett double buffing attack trough his burst and noblesse but I really like now that all the healer sets found home creating a flexible environment for their usage competing with other support sets that might be better on an actual support (like a Wriothesley/Furina/Noblesse Shenhe/Maiden Bennett... which I know might not be totally optimal but attack goes brrrrrr and serves for a functional illustrative purpose assuming Wriothesley total hp is kept as low as possible and Bennett healing output is maximized and manages to land chunky enough heals over the 6k or 7k with good timing to top the main dps and trigger those Furina heals)
Yeah, a lot of choices. And still other things to consider. The nice thing about the new set is that it helps anyone and everyone. So if your healer doesn't output enough sustained HPS to Clam (and most don't), the new set will do something regardless of the group the character is in. But conversely, the new set, to do anything notable, needs to be timed. You want a character with high DMG, high CrD, and maybe vape/melt using the charges, ideally against a single high hp target. Which means that character needs to be on-field 6s after the healing starts. This is a very important thing to keep in mind. Content creators testing this set will generally try to time it. Actual players? Probably not so much. So, for a sizeable portion of players, I expect the practical numbers will fall far short of the theoretical.And certain characters can mess it up easily. Kokomi, for example, has 12s on JF, and can refresh its duration with her burst, giving her 100% healing uptime. That means a new five charges every 6s, which is unlikely to align with rotations. Is that something most players are going to consider? Probably not.
There's also the number of targets. Generally speaking, in a high target environment, you're dealing with lower hp enemies, ones that'll die from AoEs you're using anyway, so any charges used there are essentially wasted. Sure, the new set did damage, but "win more" damage, rather than "more wins" damage. But Clam is AoE, so can damage those, while still always being available to hit the high hp enemies.
The reason your Ganyu test with the new set had her doing more damage solo than in the team is the 5 hit cap, the rotation meant the other characters were using some of those hits from one instance and the second instance was less recorded healing due to the time in between Kokomi's E procs.
Kokomi's E ticks for healing every 2 seconds for 12 seconds and 7 ticks total, the first tick being on cast and always heals Kokomi herself. So the first instance starts with 4 ticks(Initial cast then at 2, 4, and 6 seconds), as soon as that instance expires after 5 hits the next is recorded, if the instance expired between ticks than only 2 ticks will be recorded. If the 2 ticks are not 15k healing then that instance will not be the full 1200 buff.
In the test from the time of Kokomi's initial cast you actually used all 5 hits of the first instance between Ganyu burst and Kazuha hits, The second instance started just before Ganyu landed her first charged attack with only 2 Kokomi healing ticks recorded. Assuming your Kokomi is talent level 10 on her E with the stats shown(including healing bonus) each tick heals for 6,180 so with only 2 ticks on the second instance that's just 12,360 healing which means the set only provided a damage bonus of 988 instead of the 1200. A healing bonus head piece on Kokomi would fix this. Replacing her HP head piece with a Healing bonus head piece with at least a 15% Max HP substat(a mid roll) would give her 39,702 Max HP and a 76% healing bonus. So 2 ticks of her E here would equal 14,349 or 1,148 bonus damage.
Small note, Prototype amber passive does not matter to these calculations because it triggers on burst and this was all based on Kokomi's E alone.
question: what if you hit 5 enemies at once ?
Does buff expire immediately or count as a one hit
@kakerumitsuragi1305 in all other cases of a hit capped buff, each enemy hit counts as a hit. So an AoE that hits 5 enemies will deal that bonus damage and end the buff. An AoE that hits 6 targets will deal the bonus damage to only 5 of them. Also, this damage only applies to direct damage from a character, which doesn't include transformative reactions, bloom based damage, or damage instances triggered from gear(like ocean hued clam or skyward atlas).
hi. Question. can Ganyu's Q snapshot the buff?
quick answer to do not waste 10 min: the dmg is similar
bubble for melee comps
new set to ranged or multi hit characters (alheitan, kquing, ayaka etc)
good video.
So if i put it this way
I use yoimiya
And i use that new set for kokomi yoimiya stronk and hu tao weak
If i use hu tao and use ocean hued hu tao stronk
But yoimiya weak
Thanks for the test!
Can you do a comparison for Kokomi’s personal dmg? That’s what I wanted to see since my has constellations and use her as dps.
sodp only matters if you build her crit/vaporize
The new set will buff all dmg but must be use manually. Suitable for buffing specific reaction or atk into single enemy. While clam limited to additional physical dmg automatically but AoE.
The 2 different team scenarios you said is correct and justify the new set is not totally useless. But if compare solely dmg alone, it is well known that the total dmg of a whole team is better than a hypercarry(which is why national teams are so popular) unless the hypercarry can do godly dmg that exceed the dmg of a whole team combined.
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Depends on what your doing with your healer. A koko During her burst with clam makes a good Sub DPS phased for your team. I think SoDP is actually going to be used more long term cause that Buff is pretty good for your DPS.
For example, let’s say you use kokomi with neuvillette:
1. you can’t use tenacity because the atk bonus does nothing for neuvillette
2. you can’t use clam cause you don’t onfield your kokomi
3. maidens - neuvi doesn’t care about the heals, no other buffs
4. you can use the new set (song of the day past), it will buff your neuvillette
Let’s say you use baizhu-nevillette-furina
1. tenacity- useless, like I said- no atk scaling characters
2. clam- useless, u don’t onfield baizhu
3. deepwood (baizhu’s traditional set) - useless, no dendro dmg in the team
4. maidens - can use, it will help you get furina stacks faster, no other buffs tho
5. new set - perfect for this situation, enables heals which will help with furina stacks, will buff neuvillette.
In short, the new set is more UNIVERSAL than the ones we already have,
- clam requires u to onfield your healer
- tenacity buffs your team but it’s useless for atk scaling characters
- maidens is good with furina but gives no other dmg buffs. The new set can be used in all situations and will work perfectly fine
your kokomi dorsnt need to be onfield to max clam???
how is it any more universal than clam aside from fighting physical resistant enemies which are rare anyways
@@polymer2 because with clam you need to onfield your healer to get max potential, otherwise the bubble will explode like a wet noodle
@@polymer2 you can play your kokomi however you want but the clam bubble will deal way less dmg when off-field
This applies for everyone except people who use C2+ Kokomi, which I guess is 99% of players 😂
Hiii I loved your vid and wanted to ask should I use ocean hued clam or the songs of days past on kokomi for my arlecchino team
Hi! Thank you!
I don't really recommend Kokomi with Arlecchino since Kokomi will not be able to heal Arle due to Arle's healing restrictions during combat.
Only Arlecchino herself can heal hers.
Both Ocean hued and SODP is reliant on the amount of healing so it might not be very efficient with Arlecchino since there is no healing with Arle.
However, outside that team I use SODP with kokomi since I like the buff more than extra physical damage from Ocean hued 😊😊
@@EarlbedoPlays I see I understand thank you and the reason I use kokomi is because my supports like Benny and xiangling tend to die quickly and kokos skill also helps with vape
The only way i can see the new set working is with new types of units that either
A can retain the buffs they are given for longer (maybe only buffs given by Weapons or Artifact but can come from the weapons and Artifacts of other characters)
B healer characters that can have the buffs the give to others last longer
other than that i can't think of anything else at the moment that would make that healing set relevant
Bennet with furina is disgusting on this set, he has 100% uptime and even with a suboptimal healing build he consistently reaches the cap. You factor in Furina’s 75% dmg buff on top of all the crit modifiers and damage bonus goblets/kit which means so much bonus damage.
Thanks for another amazing vid Kuya Earl! I'm excited to try the new healing artif for Xianyun & Sigewinne in the future hehe also hope we get good Navia artifs too in process. Advance Happy new year piii!
This set works well for Qiqi in co-op since it can potentially gain more benefits from buffing everyone with nearly 100% uptime.
Qiqi's A4 talent: lasts 6 seconds (refreshes every 30 seconds)
Qiqi's Q. Burst: lasts 15 seconds
Qiqi's E. Skill: lasts 15 seconds
So you start with her A4 talent then Q right when SoDP buff falls off and then follow by her E when Q falls off. Once both Q and E finish, A4 talent is back up. Hopefully, Qiqi's burst will be refilled by the time A4 is used for the second time to start one more rotation. However, there lies the issue with her E is still on Cooldown once the second rotation comes around, but that is already 40 seconds into the fight, and hopefully, everything is already over by then.
Thanks for this!! There are Qiqi teams where she is the driver, so it's definitely gonna work! 😄
@@EarlbedoPlays Still need testing, though. From the artifact description, it seems like it is limited to 5 attacks from 'active party member' per 'Waves of Days Past', which means Qiqi herself would take away the buff if she is doing auto-attacks, right? Unless the buff is not shared among party members... Also, if her A4 and Q is counted toward 'Yearning' effect while she is off-field, then the previously mentioned rotation still works. Otherwise, Qiqi has to be quickswap to do the healing during her E phase.
R5 sac sword makes qiqi able to get 100 uptime heals
07:03 i saw in a reddit thread that apparently Masanori has higher resistance between 00:00 and 04:00 am (aka at night in-game)?
There is a different question of interest. What about Kokomi Furina comps. Or any onfield healers used with Furina.
Both of them will still work, as the artifacts record healing of the EQUIPPING character and not the others.
If you're asking about the damage, however:
For furina, because of her buff most likely the damage buff of SoDP will be higher, but she cannot buff Ocean Hued Bubble Damage 😊
I can do My first full Star Abyss with Kokomi dps with Furina, it's pretty good if You use anemo like Kazuha or Sacarosa and any other element, i choose electro with Fischl
I heard once you must use the healer' skill before the DPS, if not you'll end up losing damage. I mean, only use the song of days past wielder at the end of the rotation just before the DPS so your carry can "get" the buff from the healer set
Basically for 6 seconds it will record the 15,000 healing required to reach the maximum buff 😃
So you are correct, it's better to use the healer first to activate the 4pc effect 😊
However it depends on your rotation, if you use your healer before the DPS it might be a little to late since the buff takes effect AFTER 6 seconds
or your healer can be the second one in the rotation.
But then again this will depend on the team you have 😄
This set is made to boost HoYo's favourite little boy Xiao after Xianyun banner.
But also this set is to boost Raiden with new hypercarry team Raiden, Chaveruse, Sara and Bennett.
After Chaveruse banner she can at c6 :
Decrease 40% Electro/Pyro RES
40% attack to all Pyro/Electro units
Give 6 energy every 10 seconds for active chatacter
Increase Electro/Pyro DMG max to 60%
And give flat damage buff from Song of Days Past.
Raiden c2/c3 havers, prepare your wallets because new huge NUKE Raiden incomming.
LOL!
And everyone back at the leaks subreddit were malding over how bad SoDP is due to OHC best case scenario.
SoDP is not for on field driver healers like Kokomi. Its for Burst Healers or off field healers that racks up the passive over 10 sec to be used by the teams DPS
just subscribed and liked, incredible video
Best wishes, buddy! Blissful video!
The difference is not that big because flat damage is better for fast attakers instead of bigg hits. Ganyu has a high % damage on her charged arrows so its more noticeable when the damage is low without buffs but after buffs the damage increased so much that flat upgrade doesn't matter. Instead for example wanderer can proc the 5 hits supper fast with NA and can start to charge new hits making a better profit of the set.
Thanks for the video. It'll be good for both me and a friend to know.
Single target,
hp%/def% or mix scaling carry . ..
Boom this artifact delivered
Loving:D great video
dps kokomi with ocean-hued clam set >>
DPS Kokomination rise!
Among other issues, like its minimum 6 second downtime, I feel like Songs losses any advantage it could have over Ocean Hued Clam, as soon as there is more than 1 enemy on the feild.
This set simply is not practical in most cases. The ONLY use case I can think of is in DPS nuke showcases.
would it be good for baizhu? i use baizhu in cyno and yae teams, and sometimes with neuvilette and currently use noblesse oblige, but i was already thinking of switching to something else. this set would work for both cyno/yae and neuv since it doesnt matter what they scale of right?
It would be Okay but not the best. Baizhu's teams usually revolve around electro and dendro which means there might be other better artifacts he can use such as Deepwood which would be much better!
But you are right it's a flat damage buff so regardless of what scaling the character is, it would work 😃😄
After i got Zhongli i forgot party healers even exists:).
Even vs rifthounds?
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret No need for party healers for them as well. Bennett or Diona are enough.
You must not be tackling endgame content if all you have is one sustain unit.
@@kieragard We have only abyss12 as "endgame". 36 all the time. Sometimes it is really hard to do, but i never felt i need a damn healer. It it always hard because of "not enough dps".
@@Sirindilable oh please, are you really going to pretend you don't use any other sustain aside from Zhongli. We're not stupid, lol. DPS checks in abyss isn't even bad even if I bring Kokomi with me.
Can you do a Barbara guide with this Ocean Set?
Thanks for the suggestion! I can do a comparison video soon!
For now you can Check my Barbara Bloom video 💪💪💪☺️
Hmmm the 5 hits from SDP does this work with AOE hits? For example lisa charge E and 5 enemies in the circle is the buff over or did this count as 1 hit?
The fact that SoDP's passive also works with ult sadly makes bad synergies with character like ayato, ganyu, etc. Bc the ult will steal stacks, hopefully they will bring more characters that can be effectively buffed by that set like: Neuvillette > Navia
Totally Agree! It feels like it is actually made for a specific character with specific teams
Since all of my teams are some variations of HyperCarry this set is far more useful for me.
I want to put SoDP on Chevreuse and see how it works on a few hypercarry Raiden teams. She'll be providing 40% ATK, up to 60% DMG bonus, SoDP Flat DMG bonus, and Electro shred if i'm not using Furina.
If i get C6 I'd want to see how she does alongside Furina. As fun as Sunfire Jean is this will let me put Bennett elsewhere if need to.
First thing I want to try though with C6 Chevruese is Raiden/Sara/Bennet/Chevruese. I can't wait for people to 1 bang everything.
I have exact same team. Can C6 chevruse full 15k heal in 6 seconds?
Wish they add different vfx for this set, the effect is very hard to tell when its active
Agree!
im farming for sigewinne and i prefer the dmg buff over phys dmg (i also just hate the wolves..) do you think song would be good for sigewinne?
im worried her e will take up the 5 hits but idk
Really depends on the DPS/teams
SODP has a limit, so Characters that has multiple damage sources (NA then Burst etc) might not utilize this well.
But if the DPS just uses NA for example, then you can weigh of the 5 dmg increase is worth it for you!
But if I were in your position, I'd still use SODP :)
@@EarlbedoPlays alr thank you :D
Bennett would be interesting if you would be able to get healing from him consistently
Because my Bennett on maiden can do like 6-7k/s healing
Bennett heal is crazy! I just wonder if his healing cap will be considered in the Overflow healing🤔
Ocean set. My husband runs around demolishing everything with his heal set, on koko
Do not underestimate that bubble. Exploding dmg is crazy
as kokomi mains, this video really helpfull, thankyou~
Thank you! Kokomi nation rise 🥳🥳🥳
I don't have kokomi, but my Barbara with clam set can reach the 30k Healing cap bubble quickly because of her Burst
I wonder if kokomi's signature artifact(clam set) is better for Barbara...
Some said it's better on qiqi just because of superconduct and massive healing. So that bubble can do more dmg beyond mere 30k.
I think I might farm the Song of Days past for Baizhu once I start building Navia, since this set can help him buff Neuvillette. And besides, there's no need to use deepwood for Baizhu in this case cause dendro is not the star of Neuvillette carry team.
who are the other 2 besides Neuvy and Baizhu? 😁
@@EarlbedoPlays Furina and Kazuha
Would the new set be good on jean instead of VV or would VV still be best? I use my jean to burst heal and that it. I don't swirl with her will.
Really depends on your team
however VV will be better generaltycoz unlike SODP it doesn't really have a limitation as long as she swirls with her burst
On the other hand, SODP will be great if she is paired with Xiao or maybe wanderer.
kokomi players in ayaka freeze have to choose between clam, tenacity of the milileth, and song of days past
6:56
The more someone is buffed, the less a given buff will work on them.
10 + 10 = 100% increase
50 + 10 = 20% increase
100 + 10 = 10% increase
It's mainly due to Kazuha buffing Ganyu since he, too, gives elemental dmg via his ult and VV shred.
Probably going to stay with 4 tenacity and Dragon tales for kokomi my buffer kokomi since I'm to lazy to farm a whole new set haha
I can't blame you 😂😂😂
Please compare albedo set to deal E dmg, is it the inazuma hued clam domain or fontaine meruchise idk the name ( furina artef domain ) ??
My Barbara uses clam and every time it deals 30k damage bubble burst
Will this be good for Charlotte to buff Navia in a Furina team with Zhongli?
Between the 2, Ocean Hued would be better, since Navia's burst can steal some of the buff from SoDP.
But if you do not have a Noblesse user in the team, maybe use that instead 😄
Might rebuilding my dps Qiqi again ig. Such a waste my Clam qiqi was benched cuz dendro & cryo doesn't have an e.rxn. if it does, my Baizhu & qiqi gonna be slaying all the bosses in teyvat.
SoDP is really good to Kokomi along with Furina since the artifact buff is a flat damage
I mean Zhongli and Kazuha both increase the flat damage by quite a lot, since you’re not only benefiting from Kazuha’s dmg buff but also the cryo res shred from VV and Zhongli, so of course the difference will be bigger with the buffs.
They don't increase flat damage rather they are multiplicative.
@@wait_what9552 Yes, they are multiplicative, but flat damage is added before the multiplication.
It's just distributive property.
(a + b) * c = a * c + b * c
Notice how both a and b are multiplied.
@@tonydai782source?
Also, can this set be useful for healer furina? I know its not maximizing her potential but id like to try a different build for her
My Furina heals 4500 at max per tick, so she might reach the 15,000 cap in less than 6 seconds, so it's possible and will be interesting!
But I think having her with Golden Troupe will give higher DPS for the team since her crablet deals huge damage along with the other 2 pets.
@@EarlbedoPlays time to go burn some resin! 😂
It's good for healer Furina because it will buff the team when heal. Furina kit can also prolong other healer healing. On Furina, more heal = more fanfare count. Fanfare count stops when your hp is half.
Qiqi clam spiral abyss carry is a thing I kid you not that child has saved me
So the new set is good for characters who deals big number damage 🤔 like Navia, EULA?
Rather for those who has high elemental dmg% + high crit%
No, big numbers change nothing because the set gives u adittive damage. Which means it gives u flat damage and the maximum flat damage this set can give u per hit is 1200. This damage can be upgraded by mutlipliers (elemental/phsyic damage, crit damage and extra bonuses like Normal attack bonus damage) and can be even better by shredding defenses or resistances. If u do the maths, in a common situation of a normal player that is not a whale it is around 4K damage, if u shred some resistances u can get to 6K that is like the maximum a common player would reach, the set gives u 5 stacks so basically its 30K damage in 1 rotation which is TOO low. And u deal that damage if u crit every hit, if u dont you lose a lot of damage. So this set is kind trash, if u want a healing set the inazuma one is a lot better because it works without your main DPS stats
Would it be good if I used SoDP on kokomi as an off field healer in a kaveh bloom team?
I don't think so, because it would only affect Kaveh's melee damage, while Bloom damage is only decided by EM. Either Deepwood or Instructor might be better
Really awesome!!!!!
Could you do one with baizhu?
Imagine oh could crit and koko could crit. She’d be the best character in the game
Loving it!
Turn playback speed to 1.25x. thank me later.
Bro thought we were toddlers
I don't think it's fair to compare a dps healer artifacts with a buff healer artifacts set, the real test for me would be Millelith vsSoDP.
I understand your point, but the comparison stems from people asking which is better between the 2. As both has the same 2pc healing set and both can be used by most healers without the restriction of having attack scaling team mates.
And both of them are exclusively created for healers unlike the Tenacity.
Nevertheless, I think comparing Millelith with SoDP makes sense and will be interesting! 😄
I agree, those are two healers set without restrictions for healers, it's just that because of their opposite paths, it feels a bit weird to compare them, like comparing Kuki Shinobu and Bennett because they both heal while they do totally different things.
Song is not good for Kokomi cuz she can't crit, meaning when she Burst it basically does add wet noodle damage. It's great for Furina teams though since Furina's Burst adds a ton of Damage bonus.
You should have done a test with Furina.
The test was to see if the Character being buffed deals better damage .
It was NOT intended FOR KOKOMI. But it was used to buff other characters NOT HER.
Obviously kokomi does not Crit so I did not test the damage buff for Her but for the character she supports.
I recommend watching the whole video 😊
So both are good sets. Just one is more for main healers and the other is for support healers. The team composition also matters. Seems like the Song of Days Past would probably work well on Gorou
That's another angle! Never realized Gorou could wear this so it's not redundant to wear 2 Noblesse in 1 team. 😃
@@EarlbedoPlays 👍👍👍👍
what about tenacity?
Does the song of day past work yaoyao
It does!! However Yuegui might steal the buff instead of giving it to the dps.
She's better wearing a different artifact set 😊
2 words. Eula Mika.
It’s a multiplicative addition
Okay before watching im sure nobeless and tenacity are better then new set and ocean
Tenacity and Noblesse only benefit Attack scaling characters, during Fontaine and even before we were introduced to non attack scaling characters, so it's not always better. It really depends on your team
I think this set for furina support, those who want to clearly abandon her dps role and embrace her other form, first she consume our HP then turn into white mode and record healing and stuff, since most likely we paired her with another healer who also can use this artifact to record more healing then the team will be busted for someone like neuvilette or navia.
This made for furina team
Garbage.
This is an interesting take! Tho I can say that Furina having Golden Troupe will outdamage Furina wearing the new set, since her skill will most likely deal more damage than the buff of the new set
I really believe this set is made for a new upcoming Character - Xianyun , at least for now. 😀😄
Maybe Ganyu Burst Stole damage
Try without food buff
the food buff was Crit Rate for consistency 🙂
bro talks in 0.75 speed
ohhhh I think I speak on an average speed! I'll take this comment and make sure I'll speak a little faster next time 😅😂
Meow~ Diona probably
Both artifact suck 😂
Why am i watching a video of 10 minutes just for him to conclude 'i dont know and i be using whatever feels best'?
Where are the actual stats?
NEVER in the video I said "I do not know" and "I'll use whatever feels best"
I had a whole section where literally mentioned how much the artifacts deal damage and buffs. ( You will see that in the DAMAGE TEST part)
I also even gave suggestions and recommendations on when you should use either of them.
So I am not sure if you watched the video full.
Still kokomiless🤡 but thank you for the video