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Maybe it’s also sort of a symbol of his status and leadership. He has a gold crown of feathers because he’s in charge. He is unique from the other eagles and that’s a specific detail that makes him unique
In the Hobbit chapter queer lodgings it says "the Lord of the Eagles became in after days the King of All Birds and wore a golden crown, and his fifteen chieftains golden collars (made of the gold that the dwarves gave them)”. My reading of that is that the crown and collars are a)new after the battle of Five Armies and b) made of actual gold.
No. The Hobbit mentions that after their quest the Eagles were rewarded for having saved the lives of the Dwarves with golden bands and a crown of gold for the head eagle.
Tolkien had early designs that the Eagles were Maiar, but he seemednto disregard and suggest they were creatures of middle earth. I feel the fact we don't know what the Eagles get upto much during the Second Age, or after the third age suggests in my mind Tolkien was still wrestling with the idea the Eagles wer Maiar, and returned to Valinor some time early on in the fourth age.
Tolkien seems to have gone back and forth on the nature of the Eagles. Sometimes they were maia and sometimes they were not even incarnates; i.e. they did not have spirits. There were a lot of things in the Lore he was seriously looking into changing but he never got to it.
"The Eagles are a dangerous 'machine'. I have used them sparingly, and that is the absolute limit of their credibility or usefulness." -- Letter 210, J.R.R. Tolkien
I wonder what the new book: The Nature of Middle-earth said about the Eagles. And if the book added new info or was all the info from that book on the eagles already in this video or was there nothing said about the eagles in that book?
It's quite interesting to see that a lot of illustrators depict these eagles as American Bald Eagles. Seeing as Tolkien based his stories on European folklore an European kind of eagle would be more fitting. Like the Golden Eagle or White tailed Eagle. But then again. The eagles came from Valinor. Which is in the West.
One of my favorite aspects of Tolkien's legendarium! Whenever eagles are coming, victory and "good " arrives with them. Cant describe how much I love them and one of my favorite scenes in all of Peter films is Flight to the Carrock, its just so powerfull and angelic only because of eagles and magnificent music! James, as always great and interesting video!
Minor correction: at 06:25 you said Fingon buried Fingolfin's body. It was, in fact, Turgon who did it, for Thorondor brought the corpse to Gondolin. Other thant that, great video, guys.
Also The Design Of The Great Eagles in The Movies Of The Lord Of The Rings The Fellowship Of The Ring (2001), The Lord Of The Rings The Return Of The King (2003), The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2012) & The Hobbit The Battle Of The Five Armies (2014) They looks like The Giant Golden Eagles in the 4 Films of Peter Jackson.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
The Tolkien Eagles....sheer Badass's that double as hope/ protectors. You'll never see them taken down...except for that one random arrow...so many years ago.
What if the eagles were in other films. Avengers Endgame The Eagles Grab Thanos toss him away and use the Infinity Gauntlet. Spider-Man No Way Home grabs the villains so they can cure them The Dark Knight Rises grab the nuke and get rid of it. Terminator franchise grabs Skynet in the past from the future or the future from the present (a fun way to say before judgment day) and throws it into a volcano. Star Wars Episode 8-9, Independence Day 2, Transformers Sequels, Ghostbusters 2016, and a few other films Look of confusion as they leave to ponder the meaning of life and figure out what is going on.
I could have sworn hearing the eagles were maiar. That they were given physical bodies to act on behalf of the Valar. So they'd just be returned to spirit form and allowed to live in their full power.
Great video. However if you cover the abomination from amazon, im unsubbing and so are all of my buddies. Its disrespectful to tolkiens legacy, and the works he created. Theres no other VALID perspective.
It's an adaption of Tolkiens work. Not a documentary on it. Its ok if they change things. Just think of it as Fan fiction. As that's essentially what it is
I actually dreamt this. I have been reading LOTR since 9 years of age and it is a story I read at least once a year sometimes more. So back to the dream. In the dream sometime after the battle at the gates of Mordor the Eagles fly high, higher then they have ever flown before and they find a portal where earth’s atmosphere ends and the winds of space begin, the Eagles fly threw the portal and discover a planet of trees and mountains bigger then they have ever seen. I do see people much like the beings of Middle Earth threw gaps in the tree cover they are pointing up to the Eagles. So that’s what I’ve always believed what happened to the Eagles.
Why i like your videos. Whilst it’s true that they’re jam packed full of information, more than anything, for a brief moment in time they pull me away from the bleak reality of life and they give me a deep appreciation of beautiful things like Tolkien’s literary collection existing.
The quest to destroy the Ring had to remain secret so it would’ve been game over if they tried to ride the eagles and they got stopped by Nazgûl and now Sauron knows of the quest and the one chance to have a hobbit slip under his eye.
The Eagles were not free willed, so to say. They were allowed a certain level of involvement, as were Gandalf, Radagast, etc. All interference by ERU is in that counterbalance way of operating. The fall of Sauron was a final defeat of Morgoth.
The Great Eagles are more than just big animals. They are Maiar spirits. They are to Manwe similar to what the balrogs are to Melkor. So that means the question you are avoiding is: do the great eagles have wings?
Tolkien left many characters unresolved so it is no surprise the Eagles were as well. My favorite Glorfindel is one of those despite being reincarnated and brought again to middle earth and dropped in whenever needed then forgotten.
The Great Eagle could be Thorondor. His origins could explain his longevity. Wizards, elves and others are known to be thousands of years old. It would also explain the adornments described.
What if it was thorondor in the Hobbit and Gandalf did not recognise him as he had been gone for a long time and the Eagles never seem to say anything in the book
So this is more a summary of their deeds (although as ever I enjoyed the video) - in terms of their actual nature - I always took they were embodied Maia? But I’ve seen from writings/letters more of a consensus that they’re like evolved animals similar to huan - it does seem that because they’re mentioned in the discussion between manwe and yavanna (that eventually leads to the creation of the ents) that they are incarnate beings with hroa and fea - thoughts on this???
I've adjusted the title as you are right! :) and I think you are on to a strong idea there! I would definitely see them on a similar level to the Ents myself :)
@@TheBrokenSword sorry I didn’t mean to be a pedant there lol - was more just to get your thoughts on their metaphysical status - I think they fact that they seem to be in constant sync with manwe also suggests that they are ainu??
Really enjoyed this!! The video on the life of Morgoth is my favourite so far!! I’d love to see a video on the civil wars that went on in Middle Earth!
I always figured they're more or less immortal so I'm sure they're still around ready to help, also I always figured the nazguls flying mutant dragons and the eyes of sauron in the form of those crows would have thwarted the attempts of eagles helping them fly to Mordor in the three movies it's not as big of a pothole as everyone thinks I feel like
The Hobbit Mentions that Gwaihir eventually became the Greatest of Eagles of Middle-Earth. At the time of the Hobbit he was merely one of the chieftains but sometime after the Hobbit and before the LotR he became the Great Eagle. So they are one and the same. Also it makes sense that the Crown and Bands wouldn't get mentioned as they wouldn't be very good to wear during combat.
My suspicion is during the writing of LOTR, he just forgot, what with how much disparate lore he was juggling in his head. And then just never got around to explaining the discrepancies in any other work.
I think that the Lord of the Eagles in the Hobbit may have been Landroval, not Gwaihir. It would fit with Gandalf only being carried by Gwaihir twice. It would also fit with the line in the chapter The Field of Cormallen in ROTK, "There came Gwaihir the Windlord, and Landroval his brother, greatest of all the Eagles of the North, mightiest of the descendants of old Thorondor" The description could apply to both Gwaihir and Landroval but it could equally be applied to just Landroval. The fact that Gwaihir is described as the Windlord before the introduction of Landroval, leads me to believe that the second reading is more likely.
Unfortunately, there's no way to really predict the unpredictable Tolkien. They were very good at hiding their bulk within high aeries, all while overlooking all of Arda. There will always be wars in the Tolkienverse and Manwe needs eyes and troops. Middle Earth seems to be where they would stay to continue to fulfill their functions.
Could someone reference to 5:50 about the capturing of the eagles by melkor. I dont doubt its written rather I cant recall this and it would be great to know this. :)
I personally think half of the great eagles stayed in middle earth and had babies and the other half left to go back to manwë to be cared for rest of their lives then when the world changed the ones that stayed moved back to manwë to live peacefully
These eagles were the size of a fighter jets , which in turn would prove very valuable as ground support for the good guys against the forces of Sauron in both trilogies. Thanks for sharing, love your work and the channel. 😁👍🤓🤓🧝♂️🧝♀️
Seeing the Eagle shaped clouds of Manwe in “The Rings of Power” would be so freaking cool! Thanks for another awesome video! Hello from Madison, Wisconsin, USA!
What do you say to the people who say that the Fellowship should have just used the eagles to carry the ring to Mordor? I say the ring would have corrupted them (among other reasons).
I kinda always thought that they were just borrowing a small amount of their time like I mean Gandalf has to make like a incarnation to call for them and you see when he does spells it's always limited like it must take effort or something! I mean why did he need a horse if he could fly a bloody eagle everywhere
I tend to think it was a shellob type deal. the eagles hung around and became smaller over time, mating and diversifying until they were regular eagles. Like the Haast eagle in new Zealand. Mortality seems to be a reward in Tolkien's world and becoming more basic over time is standard, like ents becoming just trees.
Great topic. My impression always has been that, in The Hobbit, Tolkien described eagles in general terms as a rough concept. Then, as he conceived more details on all the history of Middle Earth, these ideas generated more specifics on the Eagles. But I agree that it is odd that, when writing Gandalf's conversation with Gwaihir in LOTR, he didn't seem to think of Gandalf's eagle encounter in The Hobbit
The Great Eagles always reminded me a bit of the Valkyrie of Norse mythos. They retrieve great warriors and heroes, a lot. At the end of the third age, I think they returned to Manwe having no need to stay in Middle Earth any longer.
Yeah but the Valkyrie ferried off the souls of dead warriors who proved themselves in battle to be taken to the halls of Valhalla and fight, drink and feast until the last Battle during Ragnarok!! Though I know Tolkien did have a proper interest in Norse, Scandinavian Mythology
Many people think: but then the eagles could be used to go to Gondor or enter Mordor without Sauron even imagining that someone proposed the destruction of the ring. But Sauron could control the weather and use winds and storms of lightning and hail against the Eagles like he did at Emyn Muil: "The skirts of the storm were lifting, ragged and wet, and the main battle had passed to spread its great wings over the Emyn Muil, upon which the dark thought of Sauron brooded for a while. Thence it turned, smiting the Vale of Anduin with hail and lightning, and casting its shadow upon Minas Tirith with threat of war. Then, lowering in the mountains, and gathering its great spires, it rolled on slowly over Gondor and the skirts of Rohan, until far away the Riders on the plain saw its black towers moving behind the sun, as they rode into the West." And entering Mordor would be a nightmare for the eagles. Mordor is surrounded by smoke from Mount Doom. And it is not just a smoke of the volcano's geological action, but a power of shadows and (in my opinion) of disorientation for Sauron's own defense. Even he tried to get through his own defense with the Eye, but he was having difficulties: "He could never come back. Without any clear purpose he drew out the Ring and put it on again. Immediately he felt the great burden of its weight, and felt afresh, but now more strong and urgent than ever, the malice of the Eye of Mordor, searching, trying to pierce the shadows that it had made for its own defence, but which now hindered it in its unquiet and doubt"
The question “why didn’t they fly the eagles over mount doom and drop the ring in?” Is because 1.) the eagles are not a taxi service, and Sauron would have seen them and shot them down and got the ring, 2.) they could be corrupted by the ring, Who wants a flying death machine that size flaying around with an entire flock!
Love how often I've seen this same regurgitated "counter" lacking any logic lol. Your first answer makes no sense because gandalf calls on them multiple times when it doesn't benefit them at all so that excuse is a scapegoat to avoid actually using logic why middle earth don't even attempt it. Also I see the Sauron would of shot them down response which anyone who says that clearly is very ignorant to shooting bows and hitting a moving target over a hundred feet in the air. Your second answer is foolish because it is stated that the eagles have greater numbers than Saurons mounted Nazgul and the eagles have gone to battle before this so your excuse that they would get shot falls flat. Also people forget the "eye" of Sauron was a movie only concept so people who cling to the Sauron would see them is nonsense and even if he did see a flock of eagles like I mentioned they out number Saurons flying units and could easily outfly them and blitzkrieg mount doom.
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I just tired this promo code and it said it that the promotion had stopped working, I thought i'd mention. It may be because i'm in the UK but as you're British (and Tolkien) I'd hope this could be solved. Love the vids, I watch every one
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Could what is described as ¨a golden crown¨ on Gwaihir simply be a creative way of describing golden feathers?
makes sense. like a harpy eagle with yellow plumage
@@perendinatorian Tolkien lived in South Africa, so there's a good chance for him to watch crowned eagles.
Maybe it’s also sort of a symbol of his status and leadership. He has a gold crown of feathers because he’s in charge. He is unique from the other eagles and that’s a specific detail that makes him unique
In the Hobbit chapter queer lodgings it says "the Lord of the Eagles became in after days the King of All Birds and wore a golden crown, and his fifteen chieftains golden collars (made of the gold that the dwarves gave them)”. My reading of that is that the crown and collars are a)new after the battle of Five Armies and b) made of actual gold.
No. The Hobbit mentions that after their quest the Eagles were rewarded for having saved the lives of the Dwarves with golden bands and a crown of gold for the head eagle.
Tolkien had early designs that the Eagles were Maiar, but he seemednto disregard and suggest they were creatures of middle earth. I feel the fact we don't know what the Eagles get upto much during the Second Age, or after the third age suggests in my mind Tolkien was still wrestling with the idea the Eagles wer Maiar, and returned to Valinor some time early on in the fourth age.
I've always felt that it made more sense for them to be Maiar.
Tolkien seems to have gone back and forth on the nature of the Eagles. Sometimes they were maia and sometimes they were not even incarnates; i.e. they did not have spirits. There were a lot of things in the Lore he was seriously looking into changing but he never got to it.
"The Eagles are a dangerous 'machine'. I have used them sparingly, and that is the absolute limit of their credibility or usefulness." -- Letter 210, J.R.R. Tolkien
I wonder what the new book: The Nature of Middle-earth said about the Eagles. And if the book added new info or was all the info from that book on the eagles already in this video or was there nothing said about the eagles in that book?
You're problably right about Thorondor! But how long is their lifespan? 🤔 It's strange that animals had been given gift of immortality...
Sadly it never seems to have been said anywhere! Maybe there is some random scribble somewhere with an answer that no one has published yet!
It's quite interesting to see that a lot of illustrators depict these eagles as American Bald Eagles. Seeing as Tolkien based his stories on European folklore an European kind of eagle would be more fitting. Like the Golden Eagle or White tailed Eagle.
But then again. The eagles came from Valinor. Which is in the West.
One of my favorite aspects of Tolkien's legendarium! Whenever eagles are coming, victory and "good " arrives with them. Cant describe how much I love them and one of my favorite scenes in all of Peter films is Flight to the Carrock, its just so powerfull and angelic only because of eagles and magnificent music!
James, as always great and interesting video!
Thank you very much!
Minor correction: at 06:25 you said Fingon buried Fingolfin's body. It was, in fact, Turgon who did it, for Thorondor brought the corpse to Gondolin.
Other thant that, great video, guys.
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@@TheBrokenSword don't mention it, guys.
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Can we all agree that "Gwaihir the Windlord" is one of the most badass names ever created
Yes
Also The Design Of The Great Eagles in
The Movies Of The Lord Of The Rings The Fellowship Of The Ring (2001),
The Lord Of The Rings The Return Of The King (2003), The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey (2012) &
The Hobbit The Battle Of The Five Armies (2014) They looks like
The Giant Golden Eagles in the 4 Films of Peter Jackson.
I think they were sent east to grab the blue wizards and drag them back west by the scruffs of their necks!
That's an amusing image 😂
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
The Tolkien Eagles....sheer Badass's that double as hope/ protectors. You'll never see them taken down...except for that one random arrow...so many years ago.
What if the eagles were in other films.
Avengers Endgame The Eagles Grab Thanos toss him away and use the Infinity Gauntlet.
Spider-Man No Way Home grabs the villains so they can cure them
The Dark Knight Rises grab the nuke and get rid of it.
Terminator franchise grabs Skynet in the past from the future or the future from the present (a fun way to say before judgment day) and throws it into a volcano.
Star Wars Episode 8-9, Independence Day 2, Transformers Sequels, Ghostbusters 2016, and a few other films Look of confusion as they leave to ponder the meaning of life and figure out what is going on.
I could have sworn hearing the eagles were maiar. That they were given physical bodies to act on behalf of the Valar. So they'd just be returned to spirit form and allowed to live in their full power.
Returned to Valinor and are there to this day
I always wanted to think that Thorondor keeps watch over the Doors of Night to guard against the return of Morgoth.
That is a cool thought!
At least show its size in feet. Americans generally have no idea the size of a soccer field, heck we don't even have the same meaning for football.
Great video. However if you cover the abomination from amazon, im unsubbing and so are all of my buddies. Its disrespectful to tolkiens legacy, and the works he created. Theres no other VALID perspective.
It's an adaption of Tolkiens work. Not a documentary on it. Its ok if they change things. Just think of it as Fan fiction. As that's essentially what it is
I actually dreamt this. I have been reading LOTR since 9 years of age and it is a story I read at least once a year sometimes more. So back to the dream. In the dream sometime after the battle at the gates of Mordor the Eagles fly high, higher then they have ever flown before and they find a portal where earth’s atmosphere ends and the winds of space begin, the Eagles fly threw the portal and discover a planet of trees and mountains bigger then they have ever seen. I do see people much like the beings of Middle Earth threw gaps in the tree cover they are pointing up to the Eagles. So that’s what I’ve always believed what happened to the Eagles.
Why i like your videos. Whilst it’s true that they’re jam packed full of information, more than anything, for a brief moment in time they pull me away from the bleak reality of life and they give me a deep appreciation of beautiful things like Tolkien’s literary collection existing.
Thank you so much! I'm glad we can help in any way at all :)
The quest to destroy the Ring had to remain secret so it would’ve been game over if they tried to ride the eagles and they got stopped by Nazgûl and now Sauron knows of the quest and the one chance to have a hobbit slip under his eye.
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Thank you! And it is so good isn't it!
@@TheBrokenSword yes it is!
At a guess I would say.... big fricking birds
I mean... you're not wrong there! (If you really count them as just birds that is) haha
Eventually Gondor Fried Chicken became a wildly popular restaurant and GFC fried the eagles up and served them to the whole city.
The Eagles were not free willed, so to say. They were allowed a certain level of involvement, as were Gandalf, Radagast, etc. All interference by ERU is in that counterbalance way of operating. The fall of Sauron was a final defeat of Morgoth.
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The Great Eagles are more than just big animals. They are Maiar spirits. They are to Manwe similar to what the balrogs are to Melkor.
So that means the question you are avoiding is: do the great eagles have wings?
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Tolkien left many characters unresolved so it is no surprise the Eagles were as well. My favorite Glorfindel is one of those despite being reincarnated and brought again to middle earth and dropped in whenever needed then forgotten.
The Great Eagle could be Thorondor. His origins could explain his longevity. Wizards, elves and others are known to be thousands of years old. It would also explain the adornments described.
It may be a title that was earned for great deeds
That makes sense...old people like 🐦 watching...
I, for one, prefer to not know what happened with eagles if the alternate would be a sad ending. Now I can imagine them living on into eternity.
Not interested in learning about hello fish! I hope this isn’t around long!
Shame you had to ruin the flow of the narative with a two minute sponsor ad, couldn't it have gone at the end?
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What if it was thorondor in the Hobbit and Gandalf did not recognise him as he had been gone for a long time and the Eagles never seem to say anything in the book
The great eagles showed their quality unlike faramir
Why did the eagles not take thorin oaken shield to the lonely mountain when they rescued them
Really liked their “Hotel California”.
Shad has a video of the gang eating like hobbits with hello fresh
so we have the story of the eagles but not what they are so why the name of the video ?
There still alive. To the high north. Still killing all the orcs in the area
So this is more a summary of their deeds (although as ever I enjoyed the video) - in terms of their actual nature - I always took they were embodied Maia? But I’ve seen from writings/letters more of a consensus that they’re like evolved animals similar to huan - it does seem that because they’re mentioned in the discussion between manwe and yavanna (that eventually leads to the creation of the ents) that they are incarnate beings with hroa and fea - thoughts on this???
I've adjusted the title as you are right! :) and I think you are on to a strong idea there! I would definitely see them on a similar level to the Ents myself :)
@@TheBrokenSword sorry I didn’t mean to be a pedant there lol
- was more just to get your thoughts on their metaphysical status - I think they fact that they seem to be in constant sync with manwe also suggests that they are ainu??
That music in the background is so distracting
There's a non-zero chance that some of the great eagles are maiar.
Really enjoyed this!! The video on the life of Morgoth is my favourite so far!! I’d love to see a video on the civil wars that went on in Middle Earth!
I always figured they're more or less immortal so I'm sure they're still around ready to help, also I always figured the nazguls flying mutant dragons and the eyes of sauron in the form of those crows would have thwarted the attempts of eagles helping them fly to Mordor in the three movies it's not as big of a pothole as everyone thinks I feel like
Also you might not see this and all but I love the content very good work
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One does not simply fly to mordor.
The Hobbit Mentions that Gwaihir eventually became the Greatest of Eagles of Middle-Earth. At the time of the Hobbit he was merely one of the chieftains but sometime after the Hobbit and before the LotR he became the Great Eagle. So they are one and the same. Also it makes sense that the Crown and Bands wouldn't get mentioned as they wouldn't be very good to wear during combat.
Assuming that you equate Gwaihir with the Lord of the Eagles in the Hobbit
I love Tolkien's world.
In deep geek drops a smaug vid and now the broken sword has one on the Eagles.. today is a good day
In Deep Geek has great videos and is an awesome guy!
My suspicion is during the writing of LOTR, he just forgot, what with how much disparate lore he was juggling in his head. And then just never got around to explaining the discrepancies in any other work.
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I think that the Lord of the Eagles in the Hobbit may have been Landroval, not Gwaihir. It would fit with Gandalf only being carried by Gwaihir twice. It would also fit with the line in the chapter The Field of Cormallen in ROTK, "There came Gwaihir the Windlord, and Landroval his brother, greatest of all the Eagles of the North, mightiest of the descendants of old Thorondor"
The description could apply to both Gwaihir and Landroval but it could equally be applied to just Landroval. The fact that Gwaihir is described as the Windlord before the introduction of Landroval, leads me to believe that the second reading is more likely.
I think that was Landroval the greatest of the Eagles. The description that follows the name of Landroval could be olny adressed to him...
Go Eagles!
Unfortunately, there's no way to really predict the unpredictable Tolkien. They were very good at hiding their bulk within high aeries, all while overlooking all of Arda. There will always be wars in the Tolkienverse and Manwe needs eyes and troops. Middle Earth seems to be where they would stay to continue to fulfill their functions.
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Could someone reference to 5:50 about the capturing of the eagles by melkor. I dont doubt its written rather I cant recall this and it would be great to know this. :)
I personally think half of the great eagles stayed in middle earth and had babies and the other half left to go back to manwë to be cared for rest of their lives then when the world changed the ones that stayed moved back to manwë to live peacefully
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Nothing like the Screaming Eagles to turn the tide of battle.
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These eagles were the size of a fighter jets , which in turn would prove very valuable as ground support for the good guys against the forces of Sauron in both trilogies. Thanks for sharing, love your work and the channel. 😁👍🤓🤓🧝♂️🧝♀️
Thank you so much :D
Seeing the Eagle shaped clouds of Manwe in “The Rings of Power” would be so freaking cool! Thanks for another awesome video! Hello from Madison, Wisconsin, USA!
That would be cool indeed! and hello!!
What do you say to the people who say that the Fellowship should have just used the eagles to carry the ring to Mordor? I say the ring would have corrupted them (among other reasons).
I kinda always thought that they were just borrowing a small amount of their time like I mean Gandalf has to make like a incarnation to call for them and you see when he does spells it's always limited like it must take effort or something! I mean why did he need a horse if he could fly a bloody eagle everywhere
I tend to think it was a shellob type deal. the eagles hung around and became smaller over time, mating and diversifying until they were regular eagles. Like the Haast eagle in new Zealand. Mortality seems to be a reward in Tolkien's world and becoming more basic over time is standard, like ents becoming just trees.
Nice thoughts!
Great topic. My impression always has been that, in The Hobbit, Tolkien described eagles in general terms as a rough concept. Then, as he conceived more details on all the history of Middle Earth, these ideas generated more specifics on the Eagles. But I agree that it is odd that, when writing Gandalf's conversation with Gwaihir in LOTR, he didn't seem to think of Gandalf's eagle encounter in The Hobbit
Thank you :) and yes it definitely feels like one of those topics he never quite settled on!
I always get so excited when you upload. Great way to start the day!
Glad you enjoy them :D
The Great Eagles always reminded me a bit of the Valkyrie of Norse mythos. They retrieve great warriors and heroes, a lot. At the end of the third age, I think they returned to Manwe having no need to stay in Middle Earth any longer.
I like that link!
Yeah but the Valkyrie ferried off the souls of dead warriors who proved themselves in battle to be taken to the halls of Valhalla and fight, drink and feast until the last Battle during Ragnarok!! Though I know Tolkien did have a proper interest in Norse, Scandinavian Mythology
cool vid James really enjoyed it
Thank you!
The Eagles are coming!
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Many people think: but then the eagles could be used to go to Gondor or enter Mordor without Sauron even imagining that someone proposed the destruction of the ring.
But Sauron could control the weather and use winds and storms of lightning and hail against the Eagles like he did at Emyn Muil:
"The skirts of the storm were lifting, ragged and wet, and the main battle had passed to spread its great wings over the Emyn Muil, upon which the dark thought of Sauron brooded for a while. Thence it turned, smiting the Vale of Anduin with hail and lightning, and casting its shadow upon Minas Tirith with threat of war. Then, lowering in the mountains, and gathering its great spires, it rolled on slowly over Gondor and the skirts of Rohan, until far away the Riders on the plain saw its black towers moving behind the sun, as they rode into the West."
And entering Mordor would be a nightmare for the eagles. Mordor is surrounded by smoke from Mount Doom. And it is not just a smoke of the volcano's geological action, but a power of shadows and (in my opinion) of disorientation for Sauron's own defense. Even he tried to get through his own defense with the Eye, but he was having difficulties:
"He could never come back. Without any clear purpose he drew out the Ring and put it on again. Immediately he felt the great burden of its weight, and felt
afresh, but now more strong and urgent than ever, the malice of the Eye of Mordor, searching, trying to pierce the shadows that it had made for its own defence, but which now hindered it in its unquiet and doubt"
Very good evidence against that idea!! 😁
Why didn't gandolf just ride to eagles to mount doom?
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I wonder if Amazon will highlights some hens who self identify themselves as Great Eagles... It's not I'm a something-phobic or something-ist....
The question “why didn’t they fly the eagles over mount doom and drop the ring in?” Is because 1.) the eagles are not a taxi service, and Sauron would have seen them and shot them down and got the ring, 2.) they could be corrupted by the ring,
Who wants a flying death machine that size flaying around with an entire flock!
Love how often I've seen this same regurgitated "counter" lacking any logic lol. Your first answer makes no sense because gandalf calls on them multiple times when it doesn't benefit them at all so that excuse is a scapegoat to avoid actually using logic why middle earth don't even attempt it. Also I see the Sauron would of shot them down response which anyone who says that clearly is very ignorant to shooting bows and hitting a moving target over a hundred feet in the air. Your second answer is foolish because it is stated that the eagles have greater numbers than Saurons mounted Nazgul and the eagles have gone to battle before this so your excuse that they would get shot falls flat. Also people forget the "eye" of Sauron was a movie only concept so people who cling to the Sauron would see them is nonsense and even if he did see a flock of eagles like I mentioned they out number Saurons flying units and could easily outfly them and blitzkrieg mount doom.
Plothole with a fantastic backstory.