The 1995 stock has a higher ride height than he 1996 stock because it uses air suspension whereas the 1996 has spring suspension. In fact it rides so high that they had clearance issues on the bank branch and had to do some work on the tunnels before they could enter service. 1995 also has flexframe bogies where the bogie is split diagonally and joined by rubber. This was because they were worried about cracks developing owing to the terrible track on the Northern Line.
I have noticed the height on the 95s whenever you see them going in or coming out of the tunnel, the roof of the train seems as though its basically scraping along the top of the tunnel, its crazy
Extra information about the first differences: 1995 stock is using IGBT-VVVF made by Alstom, while the 1996 stock is using GTO Thyristor-VVVF also made by Alstom.
@@NickBadley if you did do that, you've got to talk about how the 508s used to have 4 cars, but one of them was taken out to lengthen the 455s, which now have an odd car (from the 508s) that's different to all the others! I'm not sure how that would fit within the video, but it's the sort of information we'd love to see!
@@NickBadley fact: due to the DC compressor pressure being different on the 507 than the 508 the 507 lights flicker in tunnels where as 508 don’t. (I haven’t seen a 507 flicker since 2020 though on Moorfields but on the Wirral line I have)
The 1995 stock has Selective Door Opening to cope with stations with short platforms, as the 1996 stock was built to a cheaper spec, it lacks this feature
can't beat the 1996 sound!!! can't believe my brain picked up on the different sounds without me noticing, guess that is why i always preferred jubilee route videos!
Interesting that there's so many differences, given their overlapping construction and almost identical specs! It's almost like they're doing an A/B test on things to determine the final standards for later stock.
Brilliant video Nick, there are differences I never knew about until now. I deffo say that the 1996 tube stock is my favourite out of the 2 because of the awesome motor sounds. :)
I love the 1995 stock ss it has the oh the prettiest screeching noise and the height suspension and the fact it is more modern than 1996 stock despite the confusing names
Not really the motor sound. They use similar motors, but different variable frequency drives (module controlling speed of motor). 1996 stock uses the more primitive GTO-VVVF system (which has a lower pulse frequency, hence more audible), and the 1995 stock uses a more modern IGBT-VVVF system (higher, less audible pulse frequency). They both use induction motors.
Very interesting video I learned new things... Always knew the obvious sound differences they had when trains are moving, pulling off and stopping but never noticed the different sounds the doors make when opening with one being higher pitched than the other! Never knew many other things pointed out in this video as well like the information screen differences... Very informative 👍🏽
brilliant video lots of interesting facts that i hadent noticed but i know that the 1996 had yellow poles before they were refurbished but i do love the sound of the 1996 stock when leaving the station and i like the doors opening sound on the 1995 stock
I have enjoyed all of your videos, that I have watched since I started following you. I live on the other side of the Atlantic, so I enjoy seeing different bits of Britain.😊
Great video. ☺️ Both trains use the same motors but they have different traction inverters which is why they sound different when moving off and slowing down to a stop but sound the same at speed.
Amazing video! I’ve noticed most of these consciously and the rest of them I’ve noticed something was off/different on the 96 stocks (I use the 95s a lot) but never quite been able to quite work out what.
Great video! Another difference is on the front access door. The 1995 Stock has a traditional hinged door with an external handle, whereas the 1996 stock has a door that fold outs with a built in emergency evacuation staircase. The door does also open inwards in the normal way too but doesn’t have an external handle.
Great video! I'd like to add some curiosities: 1. Before refurbishment, the handles of both 1995 and 1996 Stock were yellow; 2. The panels besides the doors are shaped differently on the two types of trains, and before refurbishment, on 1996 Stock cars they were aquamarine in colour, as the panels below the lights; 3. Until 2005, 1996 Stock trains were made of 6 cars too; interestingly, the LED display of the added seventh car is amber instead of red, and its floor was black instead of grey.
Actually, I'd say the door alarm pitches are lower on the 95 stock, since the 2015 refurbishment actually reduces their pitch and the original was kept for the 96 stock. The 96 stock also used to have 6 coaches until around 2005.
That was very interesting! I don't understand why the traction motors sound ever so different though as they're only one year apart in year of construction. Got to love that 1996 stock traction motor sound! ❤
It's because TFL were using relatively new 1983 stock on the jubilee line but their single doors were proving impractical due to high capacity. This meant TFL needed a large number of trains quickly. The compromises made with the 1996 stock (there are several btw including spring suspension instead of air suspension) were to reduce costs and decrease manufacturing time. GTO transitiors were well established so were easy to get hold of, hence why they used the "older" (but cooler imo) technology. IGBT transistors were brand new, revoloutionary technology and so were expensive and hard to get hold of. The GTO transistors have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them. The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT. This is important as the frequency needs to be increased in order to speed up the motors. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating. If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): ruclips.net/video/VOm8ePMg1dE/видео.html I copied my reply from another comment lol bcs i cba to write it again haha
also, for some reason, when I am on the northen line, I hear this strange sound that sounds like a hair dryer, I hear it most before the train departs a station
Very informative video! It seems like the 1995 and 1996 stocks share the same car body, but are mechanically and electrically very different. This is comparable to the difference between the R143 and R160 cars in the NYC subway system.
Another subtle difference that would otherwise go unrecognised is that the headlights of the 96 stock are more of a cooler whiteish tone whereas on the 95 they are a warmer yellowy tone
Another thing with the 1995 stock is that the close door beeping stays beeping when the doors are closed and on the 96 stock the beeping stops when they close
Very nerdy stuff, I like it! I've just found your channel by the way. Hope this channel continues to grow. Do you or anyone know why the grab poles on the 1995 Stock isn't black? Given that all the other deep level tube stock have grab poles in the same colour as the line on the tube map, I would've thought that it'd be logical to make the grab poles black to reflect the Northern Line.
I really liked the buttons including the original ones on the district lines when they first came out. Would be nice to have some kind of a fidget gadget with the buttons including lights. Enjoyed the video Nick and will add it to my playlist.
Fun fact: 2 brand new 7 car jubilee line trains were introduced in 2005, they also added the 7th carriage to rest of the fleet. The 7th carriage is the 4th or 5th car depending on direction of travel. You know your on a new train or carriage because the passenger information dot matrix is orange instead of red, to comply with newer regulations.
Nice video. I really enjoyed it and I subscribed to you Another differences: 1. In the Cabs, the 1995 stock Train Management System screen is on the left monitor in the driver area next to the CCTV screens while the 1996 stock Train Management system is located to the far right where it was desgined like a microwave style near the masterswitches. 2. The 1995 stock trains are on the lease and being maintained by Alstom whereas the 1996 stock are being maintained by London Underground. 3. The voice of the Passenger Annoucments system are voiced by the same announcer Celia Drummond for both 95 & 96 stocks. Only differences is that 95 stock has like a high pitch tone for the annoucments where as the 96 stock annoucments are low deep voice. Although the 96 stock has other annoucers like separate one for the terminus etc. 4. On the door step plate, the 1995 stock has an "Alstom" logo on the door step plate whereas the 1996 stock doesn't despite both stocks manufactured by Alstom. 5. On the bottom left near the whistle, The 1995 stock has an LED light whereas the 1996 stock has a flap for the M door button. 6. In terms of appearance, on the doors outside, the 95 stock is plan whereas 96 stock has zig zag yellow and blavk stickers between doors. But I prefer 96 stocks, feels a lot comfy and home to me, love the noise they make, cleaner and cooler than 95 stocks although they break a lot which 95 stocks are better maintained. But I do like both stocks Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do enjoy the video and keep up the good work 👏 🙌
That and now on the 1995 Stock they have newer announcements by Elinor Hamilton for the Battersea Power Station terminus and the Elizabeth Line/Bank announcements. 1996 Stock though has seen the introduction of Sarah Parnell on North Greenwich and Canning Town.
@@HooverA3060 oh yeah. Completely forgot about that. Thanks for letting me know. I prefer the 95 stock new annoucments than the 96 stocks (excluding Celia's ones at Bond Street, Canary Wharf & Stratford)
The Jubilee Line cars were refurbished a few years ago, and the Northern Line some time before. They must have taken some insights from that refurbishment and applied them to the Jubilee Line. Also the moquette of the Jubilee was first used in the Bakerloo Line refurb of 2016. In the Jubilee Line driver’s cab one could still see the very original moquette, purple and turquoise. Even before the refurb, the passenger seats had a blue cover, which was a total mismatch with the rest of the interior with its yellow and turquoise accents (typical 90s). I guess the original covers didn’t last very long for some reason
A long time ago [before ATO], when the driver would release the doors, the two tone sound would play even though the doors weren't open to alert the passengers that they can now open the door. So basically it's the door release chime.
The Central Line stock had these open buttons too, and worked a similar way. But of course, nowadays they are completely bypassed, and rendered useless, which explains why the 1995 stock had the buttons replaced with a single indicator after refurbishment.
The sound difference is because the 1996 stock uses older technology than the 1995 stock. It's because the 1996 stock were ordered first, but due to delays they were delivered last. In the time between the two orders, Alstom were able to offer updated IGBT technology instead of the GTO Thyristors that were locked into the 1996 order.
@@ikec-pw5sb no, the northern line doesn't have that sound because it has the newer IGBT technology. The older GTO transistors (the ones the 1996 stock have) have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them. The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT which are needed when speeding up. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating. If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): ruclips.net/video/VOm8ePMg1dE/видео.html
A slight correction on point 6, the new trains plus the new carriages (originally the 1996 stock were only 6 carriages long) have orange on black DMIs instead of red on black
You might not have noticed this but the window on the cab door of the 1996 stock is ever so slightly smaller... This is to accomodate an emergency staircase built into it, which the 1995 stock doesn't have! If memory serves me correctley, the 1995 stock uses a folding set of steps, like the 1973 tube stock.
96 stock trains were originally 6 car but were lengthened several years after entering service. They do not need SDO as all stations have platforms long enough for the full train. Had the use of 9car trains not been abandoned in WW2 the Northern line would have had noticeably longer trains than it does today. As I am tone deaf the door opening chimes sound the same to me!
Can't remember if I commented before so if I have please forgive me. The 95 stock has a more 'modern' traction, suspension and TMS system. The 96 was specified cheaper as the stock was bought in by LUL. The 95 Stock is under the PPP scheme and are owned and maintained by Alsthom. The 95 Has better: Traction packages (motors etc, hence the sound difference), Better suspension (they have air ride as there 96 just has springs) and the TMS (Train Management System ) is better positioned for driver convenience. Other quirks are the escape ladders in the drivers cab. The 95 stock is much slimmer and compact but much more fiddly to setup and pack away, TMS programming is slightly different for the displays and the audio too. Oh we now have better in cab monitors.
The 1996's 7th car was actually snuck in later. That sneaky car can be recognised by its orange dot matrix screen instead of red. That makes the 6th point a little incorrect as well.
You actually missed one because on the doors the jubilee line have yellow bites I don't what to called then but the Northern line doesn't have yellow bites
I’ll always prefer the 1996 Stock more because they’re a lot more fun to ride, especially between Green Park and Canning Town and that I like certainly like white and grey more than black
I take the northern line more often than the jubilee because I'm usually going from king's cross to bank so that i can have a joyride on either the DLR or the waterloo and city line
I just find it interesting that despite being numbered later in terms of year, the 1996 stock is actually stuck technologically in 1991 when compared to the 1995 stock being more advanced.
The 1996 uses GTO traction similar to the Networkers and the 323, which is why it has its certain sound, and the 1995 stock uses IGBT traction with Alstom's ONYX Drive, which is the shrill, continuous whine.
@@ujiarchive Singapore's C751A rolling stock meanwhile use ONIX IGBT but sound like a higher pitched version of GTO instead, though the C830 that uses the same IGBT tech sounds more the '95 stock. Might be due to differences in the voltages used (1.5kV & 750V DC respectively)
@@lzh4950 Line voltage and motor voltage don't always exactly "line" up, pardon the pun. Multivoltage trains are a great example of this, that may use 750V third-rail power usually, but can transform the 1500V OLE voltage down to 750V for pantograph operation.
Despite the names, the 1995 stock is newer and came into service later than the 1996 stock. The sound difference comes from the 1995 having more modern control electronics that can switch faster, so you hear a higher pitch.
Do you think that TFL will eventually order additional 2024 stock trains to replace both 1995 and 1996 stock, considering that they aren’t much newer than the 1992 stock?
in 2005, a 7th carriage was added to the 1996 stock, which originally had 6 carriages, aswell as 2 brand new 7 car units were built, the new units/carriages had orange/amber/whatever you like to call it dot matrix displays
Waterloo tube station has the jubilee line connection to the northern west end branch which u change here and I will get to hear the northern line tube train when you are on the platform on the jubilee line
Extra: after their respective refurbishment, the 1996 stock got theeth stickers on the doors to prevent people from getting stuck, but the 1995 stock didnt get them.
Another difference, their announcements are different. Whilst both being mainly voiced by celia drummond, her style on the jubilee is very different compared to the northern which I find interesting
The 1995 stock has a higher ride height than he 1996 stock because it uses air suspension whereas the 1996 has spring suspension.
In fact it rides so high that they had clearance issues on the bank branch and had to do some work on the tunnels before they could enter service.
1995 also has flexframe bogies where the bogie is split diagonally and joined by rubber. This was because they were worried about cracks developing owing to the terrible track on the Northern Line.
Oh, that's interesting!
LMAO XD
I have noticed the height on the 95s whenever you see them going in or coming out of the tunnel, the roof of the train seems as though its basically scraping along the top of the tunnel, its crazy
Extra information about the first differences:
1995 stock is using IGBT-VVVF made by Alstom, while the 1996 stock is using GTO Thyristor-VVVF also made by Alstom.
A shame it was missed out of #1, as this is a key technical difference.
GTO is the older technology too, having been around since the early 90s.
IGBTs have been used for many years since!
I feel that the 1996 and 1995 stock sound similar when coasting but sound very different when accelerating or braking.
@@PeteS_1994 Makes sense. Similar/same motors but different electronics.
@@bfapple Why does the 1996 stock have older technology (GTO) than the 1995 stock (OniX)?
production delays?
Challenge: This type of video, but for the Class 507 and Class 508.
Ooh, now we're talking 😂
@@NickBadley if you did do that, you've got to talk about how the 508s used to have 4 cars, but one of them was taken out to lengthen the 455s, which now have an odd car (from the 508s) that's different to all the others! I'm not sure how that would fit within the video, but it's the sort of information we'd love to see!
Another challenge would be differences between class 45 and 46 Peaks (and there is at least one visual difference)
they were different i think but one of the stocks got refurbished to look more like the other one so they look the same
@@NickBadley fact: due to the DC compressor pressure being different on the 507 than the 508 the 507 lights flicker in tunnels where as 508 don’t. (I haven’t seen a 507 flicker since 2020 though on Moorfields but on the Wirral line I have)
The 1995 stock has Selective Door Opening to cope with stations with short platforms, as the 1996 stock was built to a cheaper spec, it lacks this feature
can't beat the 1996 sound!!! can't believe my brain picked up on the different sounds without me noticing, guess that is why i always preferred jubilee route videos!
The 1995 stock feels like a Piccadilly line train and the 1996 stock feels like a futuristic white tube train
Interesting that there's so many differences, given their overlapping construction and almost identical specs! It's almost like they're doing an A/B test on things to determine the final standards for later stock.
Not quite. It’s because the Jubilee spec was frozen earlier in the decade.
Brilliant video Nick, there are differences I never knew about until now. I deffo say that the 1996 tube stock is my favourite out of the 2 because of the awesome motor sounds. :)
Same here, honestly! I love the noise they make when they leave
I love the 1995 stock ss it has the oh the prettiest screeching noise and the height suspension and the fact it is more modern than 1996 stock despite the confusing names
Not really the motor sound. They use similar motors, but different variable frequency drives (module controlling speed of motor). 1996 stock uses the more primitive GTO-VVVF system (which has a lower pulse frequency, hence more audible), and the 1995 stock uses a more modern IGBT-VVVF system (higher, less audible pulse frequency). They both use induction motors.
The jubilee line will always be music to my ears
Very interesting video I learned new things... Always knew the obvious sound differences they had when trains are moving, pulling off and stopping but never noticed the different sounds the doors make when opening with one being higher pitched than the other! Never knew many other things pointed out in this video as well like the information screen differences... Very informative 👍🏽
brilliant video lots of interesting facts that i hadent noticed but i know that the 1996 had yellow poles before they were refurbished but i do love the sound of the 1996 stock when leaving the station and i like the doors opening sound on the 1995 stock
Great video Nick! I've travelled on both sets lots of times. Thank you for sharing the differences, I've learnt lots more of them🙂
Glad you liked it!
I have enjoyed all of your videos, that I have watched since I started following you. I live on the other side of the Atlantic, so I enjoy seeing different bits of Britain.😊
Glad you enjoy!
Great video. ☺️ Both trains use the same motors but they have different traction inverters which is why they sound different when moving off and slowing down to a stop but sound the same at speed.
Amazing video! I’ve noticed most of these consciously and the rest of them I’ve noticed something was off/different on the 96 stocks (I use the 95s a lot) but never quite been able to quite work out what.
Great video! Another difference is on the front access door. The 1995 Stock has a traditional hinged door with an external handle, whereas the 1996 stock has a door that fold outs with a built in emergency evacuation staircase. The door does also open inwards in the normal way too but doesn’t have an external handle.
i never actually noticed the doors being slightly different in colour so i’m glad i learned something new.
Great video! I'd like to add some curiosities:
1. Before refurbishment, the handles of both 1995 and 1996 Stock were yellow;
2. The panels besides the doors are shaped differently on the two types of trains, and before refurbishment, on 1996 Stock cars they were aquamarine in colour, as the panels below the lights;
3. Until 2005, 1996 Stock trains were made of 6 cars too; interestingly, the LED display of the added seventh car is amber instead of red, and its floor was black instead of grey.
3 also counts to the extra 96 sets where its got the 7th car spec throughout
Thank you for a very informative video Nick. I just came across it and thought it was well worth a look.
The fact that I've wanted to know this for as long as i can remember.
Actually, I'd say the door alarm pitches are lower on the 95 stock, since the 2015 refurbishment actually reduces their pitch and the original was kept for the 96 stock.
The 96 stock also used to have 6 coaches until around 2005.
Yeah, I’m glad that the 96 stock chime pitches haven’t been changed, not a fan of the lower pitch ones ok the 95. Sounds torrid
Who have known that about the carriages.
@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 Literally anyone who lives in London
@@OffTheRailsUK nah most people aren't that perceptive. Alot of us were kids too when this happened, I'm 24 snd thought they always had 7 carriages
Why do Jubilee line trains sound like race cars when departing or arriving?
That was very interesting! I don't understand why the traction motors sound ever so different though as they're only one year apart in year of construction. Got to love that 1996 stock traction motor sound! ❤
I’m not sure if the motors are actually different. It’s the three-phase inverters that result in the sound as a by-product.
It's because TFL were using relatively new 1983 stock on the jubilee line but their single doors were proving impractical due to high capacity. This meant TFL needed a large number of trains quickly. The compromises made with the 1996 stock (there are several btw including spring suspension instead of air suspension) were to reduce costs and decrease manufacturing time. GTO transitiors were well established so were easy to get hold of, hence why they used the "older" (but cooler imo) technology. IGBT transistors were brand new, revoloutionary technology and so were expensive and hard to get hold of.
The GTO transistors have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them.
The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT. This is important as the frequency needs to be increased in order to speed up the motors. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating.
If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): ruclips.net/video/VOm8ePMg1dE/видео.html
I copied my reply from another comment lol bcs i cba to write it again haha
also, for some reason, when I am on the northen line, I hear this strange sound that sounds like a hair dryer, I hear it most before the train departs a station
The 96 stock sounds like a Southeastern Networker
great video, just found your channel- I'm always in favour of more jago Hazzard-style content. looking forward to more!
Another thing, the refurbished '96 stocks have yellow and black triangles on the edges of the doors but the '95s don't
Very informative video! It seems like the 1995 and 1996 stocks share the same car body, but are mechanically and electrically very different. This is comparable to the difference between the R143 and R160 cars in the NYC subway system.
Another subtle difference that would otherwise go unrecognised is that the headlights of the 96 stock are more of a cooler whiteish tone whereas on the 95 they are a warmer yellowy tone
Another great video. Really glad I found your videos through mersyrail. Keep it up
Thank you very much! :)
Another thing with the 1995 stock is that the close door beeping stays beeping when the doors are closed and on the 96 stock the beeping stops when they close
Ooh! I actually never noticed that! Good catch!
The 1996 stock's motors are the GTO
The 1995 Stock's motors are the IGBT
They both have 3-phase AC induction motor
Very nerdy stuff, I like it! I've just found your channel by the way. Hope this channel continues to grow.
Do you or anyone know why the grab poles on the 1995 Stock isn't black? Given that all the other deep level tube stock have grab poles in the same colour as the line on the tube map, I would've thought that it'd be logical to make the grab poles black to reflect the Northern Line.
It is because of visually impaired people may have trouble with black, whereas they have no trouble with yellow.
Nice one Nick. As a fellow train nerd I love this type of video
I just only noticed if there is a button next to the door to Identify whether it is 1995 or 1996 stock
The 1996 stock used to have grey interiors, they changed them in around 2017 that’s when the silver grab poles came in.
I really liked the buttons including the original ones on the district lines when they first came out. Would be nice to have some kind of a fidget gadget with the buttons including lights. Enjoyed the video Nick and will add it to my playlist.
Amazing video, plus the two tone on the Jubilee Line actually used to be the same as the Northern although maybe around 2016 they were lower pitched.
I believe so, yeah
same as the enterior
What's the difference between the Central Line 1992 Stock and the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Stock.
Ah yeah that's a good idea. Off the bat, I know of the different grab poles and W&C being 4 car as opposed to Central being 8 car.
and the central line poles are red while the w&c line pole is turquoise
Fun fact: 2 brand new 7 car jubilee line trains were introduced in 2005, they also added the 7th carriage to rest of the fleet. The 7th carriage is the 4th or 5th car depending on direction of travel. You know your on a new train or carriage because the passenger information dot matrix is orange instead of red, to comply with newer regulations.
It's actually 3rd car SB and 5th car NB
The front cab doors are also different and the plastic casing by the doors. The way the carriage number is displayed in the train as well.
Nice video. I really enjoyed it and I subscribed to you
Another differences:
1. In the Cabs, the 1995 stock Train Management System screen is on the left monitor in the driver area next to the CCTV screens while the 1996 stock Train Management system is located to the far right where it was desgined like a microwave style near the masterswitches.
2. The 1995 stock trains are on the lease and being maintained by Alstom whereas the 1996 stock are being maintained by London Underground.
3. The voice of the Passenger Annoucments system are voiced by the same announcer Celia Drummond for both 95 & 96 stocks. Only differences is that 95 stock has like a high pitch tone for the annoucments where as the 96 stock annoucments are low deep voice. Although the 96 stock has other annoucers like separate one for the terminus etc.
4. On the door step plate, the 1995 stock has an "Alstom" logo on the door step plate whereas the 1996 stock doesn't despite both stocks manufactured by Alstom.
5. On the bottom left near the whistle, The 1995 stock has an LED light whereas the 1996 stock has a flap for the M door button.
6. In terms of appearance, on the doors outside, the 95 stock is plan whereas 96 stock has zig zag yellow and blavk stickers between doors.
But I prefer 96 stocks, feels a lot comfy and home to me, love the noise they make, cleaner and cooler than 95 stocks although they break a lot which 95 stocks are better maintained. But I do like both stocks
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do enjoy the video and keep up the good work 👏 🙌
Oh! Very nice! Most of those I didn't even know about!
That and now on the 1995 Stock they have newer announcements by Elinor Hamilton for the Battersea Power Station terminus and the Elizabeth Line/Bank announcements. 1996 Stock though has seen the introduction of Sarah Parnell on North Greenwich and Canning Town.
@@HooverA3060 oh yeah. Completely forgot about that. Thanks for letting me know. I prefer the 95 stock new annoucments than the 96 stocks (excluding Celia's ones at Bond Street, Canary Wharf & Stratford)
@Blake and Sunny gaming shows ah my bad, thanks for pointing it out 😊
Very obvious difference:
'95: Northern Line
'96: Jubilee Line
Some of these are so Nerdy 😂
I like it! What a great video!
The Jubilee Line cars were refurbished a few years ago, and the Northern Line some time before. They must have taken some insights from that refurbishment and applied them to the Jubilee Line. Also the moquette of the Jubilee was first used in the Bakerloo Line refurb of 2016.
In the Jubilee Line driver’s cab one could still see the very original moquette, purple and turquoise. Even before the refurb, the passenger seats had a blue cover, which was a total mismatch with the rest of the interior with its yellow and turquoise accents (typical 90s). I guess the original covers didn’t last very long for some reason
Lots of very good 👍 facts that I didn’t know except for the sound of them!
On the northern line the grab poles used to be yellow like the S stock but a little lighter
A long time ago [before ATO], when the driver would release the doors, the two tone sound would play even though the doors weren't open to alert the passengers that they can now open the door. So basically it's the door release chime.
The Central Line stock had these open buttons too, and worked a similar way. But of course, nowadays they are completely bypassed, and rendered useless, which explains why the 1995 stock had the buttons replaced with a single indicator after refurbishment.
0:34 Imagine this sound on a Tesla🤤
Nice comparison- I’d not noticed some of those! Great video
Diffrences between the class 365 and 465
Please do 10 small differences between the 1972 stock and 1973 stock
Here's one: On the 72s the front train lights are closer to the middle while the 73s are nearer to the edge of the front
Great video mate
What about the unrefurbished 1996 stock vs the refurbished 1996 stock?
The sound difference is because the 1996 stock uses older technology than the 1995 stock. It's because the 1996 stock were ordered first, but due to delays they were delivered last. In the time between the two orders, Alstom were able to offer updated IGBT technology instead of the GTO Thyristors that were locked into the 1996 order.
I thought the first 96 stock ran before the first 95 stock?
Question: Would that mean that the Northern Line was supposed to have that "Jubilee Line Sound"?
@@ikec-pw5sb probably
@@ikec-pw5sb no, the northern line doesn't have that sound because it has the newer IGBT technology.
The older GTO transistors (the ones the 1996 stock have) have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them.
The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT which are needed when speeding up. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating.
If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): ruclips.net/video/VOm8ePMg1dE/видео.html
2:17 the 1996 stock sometimes uses orange LEDs, also the on train CCTV on both 1995 and 1996 stock have slightly different designs
A slight correction on point 6, the new trains plus the new carriages (originally the 1996 stock were only 6 carriages long) have orange on black DMIs instead of red on black
Before refurb, the 96 stock had turqoise panels.
Also long ago I think the 96 stock LED signs "flashed" text instead of scrolling
You might not have noticed this but the window on the cab door of the 1996 stock is ever so slightly smaller... This is to accomodate an emergency staircase built into it, which the 1995 stock doesn't have! If memory serves me correctley, the 1995 stock uses a folding set of steps, like the 1973 tube stock.
Good job! Can you make video with 10 differences between 1972 and 1973 stocks?
Whh are the jubilee line sliver and not grey 2:19
2:29 why was there not a open button on the northen line but there is a open button on the jubilee line
96 stock trains were originally 6 car but were lengthened several years after entering service. They do not need SDO as all stations have platforms long enough for the full train. Had the use of 9car trains not been abandoned in WW2 the Northern line would have had noticeably longer trains than it does today.
As I am tone deaf the door opening chimes sound the same to me!
Interesting there some I didn't knew about, great video Nick
The 1996 stock arriving and departing sound is similar to the Class 465/466 Arriving and Departing sound.
Can't remember if I commented before so if I have please forgive me. The 95 stock has a more 'modern' traction, suspension and TMS system. The 96 was specified cheaper as the stock was bought in by LUL. The 95 Stock is under the PPP scheme and are owned and maintained by Alsthom. The 95 Has better: Traction packages (motors etc, hence the sound difference), Better suspension (they have air ride as there 96 just has springs) and the TMS (Train Management System ) is better positioned for driver convenience.
Other quirks are the escape ladders in the drivers cab. The 95 stock is much slimmer and compact but much more fiddly to setup and pack away, TMS programming is slightly different for the displays and the audio too. Oh we now have better in cab monitors.
Great video 👍
I must admit there are a few differences I hadn't noticed before
Thank you very much for this video I learned quite a lot of things.
The 1996's 7th car was actually snuck in later. That sneaky car can be recognised by its orange dot matrix screen instead of red. That makes the 6th point a little incorrect as well.
You actually missed one because on the doors the jubilee line have yellow bites I don't what to called then but the Northern line doesn't have yellow bites
I’ll always prefer the 1996 Stock more because they’re a lot more fun to ride, especially between Green Park and Canning Town and that I like certainly like white and grey more than black
Yeah 1996TS has the louder noise of the door opening and closing and the interior inside is different
Another difference to note is the stickers on the exterior of each trains are different.
Excellent video!! There are a lot of differences that a lot of regular passengers would not even notice.
You missed the front windows! Look at them both next to each other and you will notice the difference in size and height!
Oh my god you're right! I never noticed that!
I take the northern line more often than the jubilee because I'm usually going from king's cross to bank so that i can have a joyride on either the DLR or the waterloo and city line
One basic difference to spot out, it’s the jubilee line map on the 1996 stock and the northern line map on the 1995 stock
The 1996 Stock does have a few orange led displays (I think they might have been the extra carriage when the 96 stock was upgraded to 7 cars
1:34 it used to be the same
I just find it interesting that despite being numbered later in terms of year, the 1996 stock is actually stuck technologically in 1991 when compared to the 1995 stock being more advanced.
That’s interesting, do you have more info on that? (Being technologically 1991)
The 1996 uses GTO traction similar to the Networkers and the 323, which is why it has its certain sound, and the 1995 stock uses IGBT traction with Alstom's ONYX Drive, which is the shrill, continuous whine.
@@yy17782A lot of the contractual design detail was frozen in 1991.
@@ujiarchive Singapore's C751A rolling stock meanwhile use ONIX IGBT but sound like a higher pitched version of GTO instead, though the C830 that uses the same IGBT tech sounds more the '95 stock. Might be due to differences in the voltages used (1.5kV & 750V DC respectively)
@@lzh4950 Line voltage and motor voltage don't always exactly "line" up, pardon the pun. Multivoltage trains are a great example of this, that may use 750V third-rail power usually, but can transform the 1500V OLE voltage down to 750V for pantograph operation.
1:57 before the 1996 stock was refurbished, the door interiors were blue
Can you do the 1972 and 73 stock
This has been most interesting thumbs up from me 👍🏾
Positioning of the door buttons are different too
sometimes on the ‘96 stock you get the occasional orange LEDs on the dot matrix
Despite the names, the 1995 stock is newer and came into service later than the 1996 stock. The sound difference comes from the 1995 having more modern control electronics that can switch faster, so you hear a higher pitch.
Gk on the northen line and the jubilee line 1995 stock and the 1996 stock
Do you think that TFL will eventually order additional 2024 stock trains to replace both 1995 and 1996 stock, considering that they aren’t much newer than the 1992 stock?
I hope not
The doors used to be the same high pitched when the Northern was not refurbished yet
Which acceleartion sound do people reading these comments prefer?
What about the "Drain"...?
The 1996 stock does sometimes come with amber instead of red dot matrix display (not sure why though)
in 2005, a 7th carriage was added to the 1996 stock, which originally had 6 carriages, aswell as 2 brand new 7 car units were built, the new units/carriages had orange/amber/whatever you like to call it dot matrix displays
@@diyaaldeen1097 I see, so they simply indicate different batches of carriages...
Waterloo tube station has the jubilee line connection to the northern west end branch which u change here and I will get to hear the northern line tube train when you are on the platform on the jubilee line
Extra: after their respective refurbishment, the 1996 stock got theeth stickers on the doors to prevent people from getting stuck, but the 1995 stock didnt get them.
Also the interior cartridge number sigm is diff (above the in-between doors
2:28 Before they were refurbed, yellow hand rails and a sorta gross green colour surrounding the dotmatrix display :)
Another difference: 1995 stock does not have arrows at the doors
1996 stock does
Another difference, their announcements are different. Whilst both being mainly voiced by celia drummond, her style on the jubilee is very different compared to the northern which I find interesting
It is hoped that the 1995 Stock on the Northern line will be moved to the District line.
They are too small so that is not happening at any time at all.
I enjoyed it and learned so much
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