The 6 Fighter Jets with the highest Kill-To-Loss ratios to date
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2023
- One of the most compelling metrics to assess a fighter jet's performance and effectiveness is its kill-to-loss ratio-an indicator of how well it performs in combat. Over the years, several fighter jets have earned legendary status by achieving remarkable Air to air kill-to-loss ratios in various conflicts. Today we’ll present the ‘Top 6 fighter Jets with the highest kill-to-loss ratios to date’. Though the specific ratios can vary from conflict to conflict and may not always be publicly disclosed due to military sensitivities. But based on valid sources, we have managed to come up with just 6 fighters. This list will only include combat after ww2. As for WW2 we will make a different list soon.
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Let's not forget the F14 is the only one to shoot down two gen 5 stealth fighters as documented in Top Gun.
And two Japanese Zeros in another movie. 😀
funny
@@robmx2324 Final Countdown?
😂😂😂
@@fredhughes4115 Yup.
Nobody mentioned the coolest F-15 kill that was scored by an F-15E Strike eagle that dropped a large LGBU Bomb through the rotor blades of an MI-24 Hind Helicopter during the first Iraq war. It was the soul air to air kill for the strike eagle, but by far the coolest…
SOLE A2A kill, not soul.
Plus 1:0 is a really, really low kill ratio lol
it was an air to air kill
Yeah, and that pilot and his WSO didn't positive ID the helicopter before dropping the bomb. They were asked if they did and said they were scared shitless that they had just killed friendlies until they were informed after the fact that there were no friendly helicopters in the area.
Cool kill, absolute dog shit decision-making.
@@Brownboy42069remember that was around the time two F-15s shot down 2 Blackhawks with neutral observers of some sore aboard them
The F-15, the greatest distributor of MiG parts. 😁
Isn't that the F-4:s title?
@@Hairysteed Well technically yes with the F-4 A thru J models having a confirmed 147 kills in aerial combat during the Vietnam War from 1965-1973. But 382 F-4s were lost in combat during the war both from air and ground fire. A total of 445 F-4s were lost that included accidents and losses while on the ground. The vast majority of the losses came from SAMs and ground fire.
A website claims the F-4 of all models totaled 306 air-to-air kills, 106 air-to-air losses, and 543 losses from ground fire through 14 conflicts (Vietnam 1965 to Lebanon 2000) from 3 different nations that includes the U.S., Israel, and Iran. So the total ratio of the F-4 is 3:1 in aerial combat or 65.3% win. While the F-15A-E is 105:0 at 100%. 3 F-15E were lost to ground fire (2 during the Gulf War and 1 in the Iraq War).
@@BagoPorkRinds No, I mean for example if you google "distributor of mig parts", what aircraft comes in the results? That title is attributed to that aircraft.
@@Hairysteed Yes it is the F-4 holding the crown as the MiG's daddy. I just added more stats for the F-4 and F-15 to add more context.
I’m never gonna shade the Phantom 👍
Meanwhile, no one has dared to even challenge the Cessna 172 in aerial combat!!!
Also, beware the Goodyear Blimp.
That's because modern fighters can't fly that low 😉. I'd rather have a T182T which would at least get me into the flight levels before I was shot down.
Everybody knows you don’t mess with Cessna🤣
The Goodyear Blimp has demonstrated its ability to survive ground-fire inflicted by random Cletus's as it wobbles over the US... and to put up a fight against Sidewinders and the like if the Chinese Balloon episode is any indication.
LMAO!
Mathias Rust, in may 1987, thwarted all the soviet defenses and landed on Red Square without any scratch... And all of this with a custom Cessna 172.
F-22 has a solid 1 : 0 on the board now, vs Chinese Spy Balloon.
Hey, if we're counting helicopter kills, only fair to count balloons lol.
poor fella, raptor's diet is lacking. he hasnt had any migs.
Like a sword that never drew blood or a muscle car parked in a museum. It will be a sad day when they hang up the old raptor. Knowing what she could do in a dogfight but never getting the chance. There are very few weapons systems in history that are so good the enemy could never counter them. So far it's raptor and a nuclear icbm. And the later we shouldn't even joke about using. @@Delphar
And I guess it'll stay there. Nobody wanna f$ck with these...
Helicopters have the advantage in the tree line so they count. At least the raptor hit the balloon with the first shot. The F-16 missed.
An F35 got a toy balloon over the Yukon.
Forgot too mention the f-15 is also the only fighter too successfully down a space craft in 1985 when one shot down a satellite
it was a test, but it had the chops.
I was a Marine F-4J radar tech nearing the end of my enlistment in early 1979, when a F-15 made an emergency landing (engine oil leak) and parked in our hanger in MCAS Beaufort.
My GOD those things made our Phantoms look like Cessna 172's. They were HUGE. I crawled up in the cockpit, amazed to find a few CRT's and not mush else.
Our Phantoms were filled with steam gauges and circuit breakers. hahaha
I still miss that twin J-79 powered brick! 😥
Agree about the Harrier
In it's day, nothing could touch it.
I was a strutural technician mostly on Kurnass F-4E, and some other platforms.
The F-15 is a big jet, but not much bigger than a Phantom. A lot of an F-15 perceived size is from the high mounted wings.
In D-Check (heavy maintenance), 4 of us used to play pass the ball on top of an F-15 in our lunch break. We wore booties to protect the paintwork, a guy was on each wing, the third on the engine humps, the forth guy was goal keeper infront of the extended boron-epoxy speed brake. We kept it clean of FOD & no one fell off the wing.
We used to joke, calling the F-15 Baz our tennis court.
@@trespire did you ever see them side by side in a hanger?
That F-15 was TALLLLL!
@@joeblow5037 Sure did. The F-15 is big plane and stands tall.
The Phantom, with it's low slung wings seemed easier on the armament techs. to load it. I do have a strong bias towards the Phantom as I worked on them most of the time. The Phantom squadron on our base were specialist in long range ground strike, so a typical load was all 3 drop tanks + full pilons. The pilots used the whole runway to build speed before slowly lumbering into the air. Was a bit scary to watch, but boy they could haul some iron.
We had one ot two extra large "specialized" payload items that were even too big for an F-15. Saw it with my own eyes in 91, it was clear what I was looking at.
Would not have been a good day for Sadam's forces.
@@trespire should have seen them launch off the carrier 🙂
we did the first cruise on the Nimitz (a Med)
especially at night...a thing of beauty
VMFA-333...lots of pics on the net....ours were the white radome, the 100-113 numbers....and the nimitz print
jun '76 - feb '77. what a place for a 19 year old to be.
theCold war was hot and heavy....we even got buzzed by a TU Bear on the way back across the Atlantic 🙂
@@joeblow5037 NAVY paint scheme is neat and clean, seems almost space-age. A white radom with Nimitz print is a classic look.
We had an RF-4 on base in a solid pale blue-gray for high altitude, same shade as our F-15C Baz air superiority squadrons. That RF had the most perfect fitting pannels I've ever seen on an F-4. With that sleek recon nose, and flying in a clean configuration, it was the most beautiful plane I've ever seen. I was told it could out pace an F-15 at high altitude.
Contrary, the regular squadron flying the E's, were low down and dirty, in there with the gound clutter.
Hot and heavy was, and still is, often the case with our guys in IAF gray.
Long live Spook !
The F-15 is the only fighter that has scored an air to air kill with a bomb, not a missile, a bomb. Also is the only fighter that has space kill, knocking down a satellite.
It killed an old american satellite. Does not count as a combat kill.
And the bomb thing was ridiculous and ended two careers.
Yeah, but it's still a cool stat@@oot007
@@oot007it’s still bad ass
@@usa5893 it was bad ass in the 70's to late 80s. I wouldn't back it against a rooskie pilot in a Su27 and rooskie planes developed after that.
The Sea Harrier making this list is surprising. Nice to hear that the admission of pilot training is such a huge factor in the outcomes. We proved that ourselves in Vietnam with not great training at the start and improving it as we went along getting better numbers with the same airframes. You cannot make up for substandard training with better aircraft.
Not really surprising, that was achieved during the Falklands war. The Argentinians had no clue, especially about the “viffing”.
@@darkaether2798 the Argentines were not looking to dogfight since they had limited fuel to go in, locate a ship, drop their bombs and return... sea harriers failed in their mission to protect british sea assets since only downed planes "after" they accomplished their bombing runs. Also, viffing is a myth.
@@el_ContraI suppose even if they did get them after dropping the bombs it stopped those same planes coming again and dropping more bombs.
@@darkaether2798 The Argies didn't know what hit them. Maggie pulled out all the stops.
The British a polite, untill they are not !
@@el_ContraThey didn't accomplish much as they were soundly squashed by a military that sealed halfway around the world to deliver that whoopin'
With all due respect, including the Su-27 and the Harrier is esoteric at best, having participated as an air to air platform in too few of a conflict. The omission of the Mirage deltas is no less then appalling, with a combined IDF/AF record of 399/17 (with the 17 being more of the officialy admitted, but accepted as AA losses), and even with the Falklands losses to the SHARs and the sole Mirage 5 loss to Iranian F-14 we get a 399/28 ratio, which should give the Mirage a place in any such list.
You must be really fun at parties.
Amen. I thought this list seemed fishy.
More impressive is the fact that most of these kills since 1953 have been made by the AIM-9 Sidewinder missile. Best aerial weapon ever produced. Even the Soviet K-13 is a reversed engineered AIM-9.
The Sidewinder, made by the US Airforce's own internal development is probably the most effective missile ever made. The latest variants apparently have a 98% accuracy rating, meaning seeing one launched = certain death.
@@nordoceltic7225 not really , su22 dodged aim9x.
@@hemendraravi4787 where? When? Can you provide any evidence?
@@hemendraravi4787 hence "98%" lmao
@@Null24 literally failed in its first engagement in the real world , it's also said aim9x missed the Chinese baloon and only the 2nd missile hit , but some are saying it was a 9m-10 but I'm not sur about that. All missiles are prone to failures IRL.
The F-14 wings are swept not for "all-weather", but depending on speed, swept at high speed, straight at low speed.
The F-14 wings are set straight for the low speed needed for carrier landings.
The F-16 with Israeli pilots is like 130-0 in its service lifetime against Russian migs
Granted, the migs are flown by Lebanese, Egyptian, and Syrian part-time cab drivers, but an impressive record none the less.
Egyptian were flown by Ru pilots in 1973 war. Intercepted coms...
ruclips.net/video/noXPLL7pyfU/видео.html
Tbf there is no evidence to support that Russian pilots will be any better trained at this point
them part time cab drivers own the Canadian Government
Egyptian pilots managed to hold up the best out of them. The air battle of El Mansoura supports this.
No wonder Russia is pissing themselves at the thought of the Ukrainian Air Force getting F-16s. Putin must be pretty worried. He might have to borrow on of tRUMP's diapers.
F14 Tomcat also shot down 2 SU57 😅
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don't think just do
And 4 MiG-28:s 😝
Lol, remember, Maverick used the second Su57 to completely kill the first Su57 he shot with guns. That's God tier piloting lol. 😂
By a pilot named maverick?
Them 4th generation fighters, the Eagle and Tomcat and the 4.5 gen Falcon are absolute beasts. I personally would love to fly the F-16, to me, it’s the sexiest fighter jet of all time, it’s fast, but quick and nimble for dog fighting, it can turn and burn like no other
The harrier was never conceived by it original designers at Hawker as a maritime aircraft of any description, at the time it was developed Britain still operated aircraft carriers capable of operating fixed wing aircraft ( sea vixens, scimitars, bucaneers and the like ). These carriers were to have been replaced with more modern types flying more modern aircraft ( possibly F4 Phantoms ) but Britain was all but bankrupt and this project ended up being cancelled along with the TSR2 and Hawker P1157 supersonic Harrier projects. The F4s were purchased and served with the RAF. The only ," kill" I am aware of made by a British F4 was embarrassingly a freindly fire incident around the time of the Falklands conflict when a BAC Jaguar was shot down by a missile fired during a training mission, the pilot thankfully managed to eject safely. I think it was actually the US Marine Core who were the first to realise the full potential of the Harrier as a carrier bourne aircraft. Unbelievably as it may seem twelve months before the Falklands the British defence minister John Knott published a defence review in which it was concluded Britain no longer needed fixed wing aircraft carriers and they were to be either decomissioned or sold along with the Harriers.
During the Falklands war, my father who served as a gunner in the RAF in WW2 was very anoyed with the way a section of the British media tried to portray the Argentinian Pilots in a bad light. He said, I've flown missions attacking shipping at low level while under fire from the ships and fighters and that takes a lot of skill from the pilot. I know they maybe the enemy but they are still brave men, and these reporters who say they don't know what they're are doing should give it a try themselves. The damage done to the British Fleet was bad enough and could have been considerably worse if all the bombs dropped had detonated. If Britain had not had the Sea Harriers, we could not have retaken the Falkans.
U.S. Marine Corps (not "Core")
Your father is a true warrior. He respects his adversary.
"Unbelievably as it may seem twelve months before the Falklands the British defence minister John Knott published a defence review in which it was concluded Britain no longer needed fixed wing aircraft carriers" not so unbelievable when you know about the Conservative governments 1956 defence review which nearly destroyed Britain's aircraft industry.
@@nommadd5758 Sorry, my mistake, thank you for correcting me.
I knew someone who flew Sea Harriers in the Falklands. He downed 3 Argentinian fighters during the campaign. His definition of stress was landing on a pitching postage stamp inn 60’ seas!
To IIAF data, the F14A is responsible to 176 air victories. Only 2 of these planes was confirmed shot down by Iraqi fighters one by a Mig 21MF an one by a Mirage F1Q. This is much more impressive then the F15 victory ratio, given the very poor conditions these planes were flying under, due to unavailability of spare parts and often having to fly as AWCS for other planes due to lack of missiles.
I wonder why the F4 Is not included in the list either.
F-22: "but... but... those Balloons!"
Awesome F-86 achievement. A little problem is that F-86 downed more MiG 15 than they existed there.
Yup, "claimed kills" are always a tad subjective ...
Certainly :-) @@alfnoakes392
THIS!
Same goes for the bogus F14, F15 and F16 records. There is ZERO evidence to back up their claims
F-15 EAGLE 🦅 104 kills 0 losses in air-to-air combat! No other aircraft has that record! World's greatest air superiority fighter!
SU27 doesn't belong on here.
The Israeli air force’s Mirage 3 and Mirage 5 shot down 480 enemy A/C.
Nope they didn't. It's all made up
Besides the aircraft themselves, the training & professionalism of the pilots flying them also play a major role in the high kill ratios.
There are so many variables that would affect the kill ratio count of a aircraft. Maintenance, combat roles, armaments, quality of enemy pilots to name a few.
In your dreams
I would rate the pilotage as even more important than aircraft. WWII Japanese pilots flying Zeros against a plethora of american fighters from dismal to excellent died by the score because Japan could not produce the quality of replacementw that we could.
Exactly. Chuck Yeager said "It's the man, not the machine", and went on to prove it.
He was speaking about sabre vs mig-15
Probably the primary role.
Looking forward to the WWII one as well!
Pakistan Air Force lost one F-16 to friendly fire. The only air-to-air loss of the F-16 was that of a Turkish plane to a Greek Mirage 2000.
Maybe there are rumors of PAF fighting falcons getting shot down by Soviet jets in the Soviet afghan war
India also claims to have shot down an F-16 in early 2019. The claim is controversial though- I would suggest reading up independently on it rather than starting a comment war here
@@akshittripathi5403 That n ever happened. Christine Fair, a known anti-Pakistan journalist, is among those who have confirmed this on an Indian forum live.
@@chiefengineer8275F16 was downed by Mig 21. It was confirmed by Pakistanis who is anti India
@@shabah2644 None
In fact, the friendly fire incident became notorious because at one point, the pilot who did that became a potential candidate for the top post (never happened).
The film is about 70 years of air battles in which different generations of planes. If we take just one family of aircraft operated by Israel and they are delta wing fighters. Of these the historical order was Mirage 3 over 400 gun kills in three wars. Nesher; 102 confirmed kills in the Yom Kippur War alone. Half of them are missile kills. Kfir's killings are classified to this day, but it is likely that most of his killings are by missiles. The Kafir was used in the USA for a light training version F21A that simulates a MiG 25 for Top Gun. You can learn from testing one type of aircraft that in the sixties killings were carried out with guns. In the eighties most killings were carried out with missiles. Today killings can be carried out with missiles at a range above the visible range. The battle depends more Technological superiority.
Absolute NONSENSE and lies.
Those are some very impressive numbers!
It should be noted that an F-15E Strike Eagle (not listed in the video) destroyed an airborne Mi-24 Hind helicopter. Its actually difficult to claim this was an air-to-air kill because...well, the Strike Eagle dropped a 2,000lb laser guided bomb on the airborne helicopter.
Heeeeeh.... a GBU-24 is nowhere near as expensive as a Mi-24 Hind
A bomb that costs Tens of thousands vs a helicopter that costs tens of millions.
The bomb also took out the dismounts from the helo as well.
That must have left a mark.
@@gotmilk7926 Eh, more like flaming confetti.
I thought it was a 1000lb JDAM, but either way everyone on that helicopter was baloney mist.
Wheels were off the ground…it counts. 😂 💥
The PAF F-16s which was lost in air to air warfare was lost due to friendly fire.
pakistani f-16 shot down by indian mig-21
@@narendrasatyarthi😂😂😂😂😂 Ask Abhi Nandhan really?
@@narendrasatyarthiThe Only pilot in the world who shot down a 4rth Generation fighter with his 3rd generation jet but hasn't a courage to claim by himself yet only the Indians are barking about this at least he should come up and own this brilliant kill but he will never do this because it had never been done by him.
Nope. It was shot down by a Soviet Mig 23 but covered up as Pak and Soviet Union were not at war. This was covered by none other than the New York Times
In 2019 there was a conflict between Pakistan and India, one f16 was shot down by a Indian mig above Pakistani land and after that mig was shot down by another
Seems it didn't happen as all F-16 were accounted for after the incident. Mostly India trying to save face I imagine. I've watched their TV News broadcasts and it is absolutely ridiculous.
I personally would have preferred this as the title " The 5 Fighter Jets with the highest Kill-To-Loss ratios to date " . LOL
Good vid👍👍👍👍👍
I believe the 10:1 kill ratio for the F86 was corrected by a RAND report that brought it down to 1.8:1. I love the f86 and love that era of dogfighting, but 1.8:1 is more plausible once you account for the near identical nature of the 86 with the mig15, and the Honcho Soviet pilots who eventually started fighting.
Well done. Someone who bothers to do some research.
Same applies to the F14, F15 and F16 "records". Take them with a massive scoop of salt. If it took 50 years to debunk the F86 record ... just saying
The shoot down list for the F-15 is half of the jets made by Russia. And lest we forget the F-15 "Strike Eagle" ground attack variant. The F-15 is hands down the best of it's era. Cheers from America.
ussr* , most were mig21s/mig23s ,some of them without rwrs.
Damn....those IRIAF F14s in Desert camo look so good.
The F-15 is the highest in the entire history of Air to air combat
Love the Harrier. Definitely an aircraft ahead of it's time.
Thanks for another great vid!
I remember watching the Falklands war every day on the news - I'd run home from school at lunch to catch the updates so I could fill in my brother when he got in. Everyone that followed such things was well aware of the Harrier, but most seemed quite surprised at just how well they performed in a dogfighting role against the powerful mirages. Turned out the Brits had some tricks up their sleeve with that directional thrust system that really played havoc on standard dog fighting techniques at the time!
Can still vividly recall watching on our then new colour TV, Harriers flown in anger, zig zagging in the Falklands fijords. Those pictures left a lasting impression on my young mind.
@@smgdfcmfah No to to steal any thunder from the Harriers or the RAF pilots during the Falklands War (Harrier is also my "favorite" plane), but it should be also noted that the RAF was given the AIM-9L Sidewinder, the latest and greatest version of the famous air-to-air missiles by the United States which were at the time years ahead and technologically years ahead of the Sidewinder AIM-9B that the Argies had (in limited quantities). In addition to some also very advanced radar systems for the Harriers also given by the Americans, the superbly trained RAF pilots were able to do what they did against the mediocrely trained bur very brave Argentinian pilots in their old (er) A-4 Skyhawks and Mirage 3's + very few Super Entendards. Once again, the RAF flyboys did an unbelievable achievement 8,000 miles away from home having just two plane carrriers as their home bases while the Argies had the entire Falklands occupied (and its airports) + the mainland Argentina was only 300 miles away. I am just not sure how exactly the things would turn out if the RAF flyboys never got the new Sidewinder missiles, new radar systems, and the satellite recoinaissance info all from Uncle Ron "5 minutes" before the conflict started. Or if the Argies also had the new AIM-9L Sidewinders and the new radar systems for their jets. Especially if they had more of the modern jets like the Super Entendards (which they had only 5 or 6) instead of the older A-4s and Mirage 3s. Or if they perhaps acquired F-14, F-15, of F-16's earlier to the conflict. In any case, maybe the things would turn out differently, maybe they would just be more bloody, but regardless personally I beleive it would still be a British victory at the end. The fighting morale of the British forces was far more superior and they all believed in the cause of liberating the Faklands and its people from the clutches of a fascist military junta dictatorship who only invaded the Falklands to keep their fat asses in power and turn the Argentinian people's attention away from the destroyed country's economy and their brutal way of running the country. The Argentinian soldiers were mostly young conscripts sent there against their will to fight for the fascist regime most didn't like to begin with, while the British forces were consisted of professional volunteer soldiers who believed in the cause and who wanted to liberate a British Territory and its people who wanted nothing to do with Argentina.
The F-8 Crusader's ratio was 19:3.
Great plane. My Uncle ran flight deck operations on a carrier and the Crusader was his favorite. Seeing one up close is all it takes.
finally got one right. it's about time.
Regarding the F14 I wonder if Pete Mitchell's 5 kills were added 😂
India says it never happened and that they shot down Pete Mitchell but then Mig-21 was then shot down later by other aircraft. But it all never happened except for them shooting him down.
The crazy part about the f-16 helicopter kill was that it was done with a bomb not a missile. That’s crazy.
If the helicopter is on the ground or in a steady hover and you use a LGB not that crazy. Different yes but not crazy.
That was an F-15
Wasn't that the F-15E strike eagle? Or did the F-16 do the same thing?
The only account I've heard of was an F-15E Strike Eagle dropping a 2,000lb bomb on an airborne Mi-24 Hind helicopter. I don't really know if it would count as an air-to-air kill though...despite how cool that is.
We had a small library on our base, with some hand written accounts and photo albums.
I read that in 1982, an Israeli F-4E Kurnass pilot, fighting the Syrians over the Bak'aa Valley, used up all the air to air missiles, and all the ammo for the nose gun. They still had fuel, and were on the tail of a Syrian jet, a Sukhoy if I remember correctly. This Kurnass pilot refused to let go even though he had no weapons left, driving the Syrian lower and lower, eventually dropping the Phantoms centerline drop tank hitting the Sukhoy's tail, causing it to crash.
The Kurnass fighter pilot was made fun of by the other squadron pilots, for "letting off his load" too soon.
Well, forget about the Mirage III...
Fascinating
The only loss the F15 ever had was during a simulation vs. an F22 Raptor.
What.!! 😂 STFU.. Aggressor F-16s nail F-15s on a daily basis. Even F-5 Tigers have.. 😂😂
What about the 5 MIG's Maverick shot down in his F-14?
2 were Sukhois... but you have a valid point 🤣👌
Those were F-5's 🤣
@@erichammond9308 shhhhhhh 🤫😂
There was an engagement with a F22 where an Iraqi pilot's duce went down into his shorts after realizing it was under him checking out his loadout before pulling up next to him.😮
Iranian pilot. As I understand it, when the F-22s made themselves known, the American pilot told them over the radio: "You really ought to go home."
In simulated combat, F-22s had a multiple kill to zero loss ratio against the big dog in this video's list - the F-15. As I understand it, the F-15s were shot down (simulated) before they could even detect the F-22s. That is the big dog meeting Godzilla.
What's even more interesting is that they are planning to retire all of the F-22s and replace them with even the MORE advanced NGAD.
That's why I always love hearing about how everyone's newest top of the line plane can take on the f22, I mean it's pretty cool that you can finally match a plane that started development in the 80's
Fun fact:
The list of the top 230 fighter pilot aces are ALL axis power pilots.
The best pilot, Erich “Bubi” Hartmann, leading the list with 352 aerial combat kills he achieved in a total of 1404 missions-he flew between October 1942 until may 1945 and was not only never shot down in this huge number of aerial battles, but he also never lost a wingman.
This list of the “best fighter pilots of WW2” is extremely dominated by Nazi German fighter aces, with the top Allied pilot being Lev Shestakov with 66 kills ranks as 231.
This should though be seen more as entertainment than science, so take it with a pinch of salt.
As one of the main differences in aerial battle score is that German pilots (as well as Japanese) kept flying and gaining experience until they were killed themselves, while successful Allied pilots where “rewarded” by sending them home where they took over the training of young pilots and passing their skills and experience over to them.
F16 and F14’s are beautiful planes. Sukhoi also make beautiful planes.
I consider not having the Mirage III in the list is an error.
I thought so also. Seems like Mirage and Rafale make up as many air forces as F-16.
And what would the kill / loss ratio be for the Marage III? Thinking it was overlooked isn’t enough. Having data to Indicate it was overlooked is another. While is has some good history with Israel, it doesn’t with other operators.
The Rafale isn’t even a part of this discussion because it has zero kills and zero losses. Try to be relevant.
@@matthewgaines10 are you saying that nobody can comment if they don't do the research? What kind of nazi are you?
So when a Soviet or Russian fighter plane attains a great kill to loss ratio, it is because of the ineptness and lack of training of the adversary's arab airforces. However when the American platforms score extremely favourable kill to loss ratios against the same 'arab airgorces' it is the prowess of the fighters and brilliant state of the art capabilities of that platform. Great. Absolutely impartial and objective analysis😅
To be fair, it's not like we know how well/poorly the Arab pilots were trained. Whereas, we do know the features of the American craft.
@@szahmad2416 point being?
@@ManishMishra-mv5fp I agree. Even if you give _arab_ pilot an american plane, they still SUCKZ!!!
Although the Sea Harrier was used in the Falklands, the aerial victories were all made by the RAF and their Harrier G3. Add to this the fact that the Argentine Mirage III could not aerial refuel and thus had a dwell time of about 2 minutes over the combat area.
The Argentine air force for some reason, never put sidewinder missiles on their A4's, even though they were capable of using them.
Wait, WTF? Where is the IAI Nesher? It scored a total of 115 kills to only 3 losses in air-to-air combat! That's just over 38:1 - WAY better than the Saber or the Tomcat.
Too bad the MI-24 kill by the F-15E with a 2000-lb laser guided bomb wasn't added in the F-15 bullet points.
the F-15 is the only modern fighter to have an air-to-air kill with a bomb
Just copying the Me109 bomb kill 😂 and with an unguided bomb.
F15: I'm a rocket-man.
I would love to know what the Phantom's kill ratio is vs MiG-21
Sea Harrier 👊👊
Part of the reason for the lack of kills made by the Tomcat during Gulf War I, was because they were restricted to bomber escort duties. As soon as they caught sight of enemy aircraft, patrolling F-15s would take them out before the Tomcats could react. Also, Iraqi fighter pilots knew the tones of Tomcat targeting computers. As soon as they heard the tones they'd make a run for it, whilst they didn't know the tones of F-15s.
What about the ME262?
I assume another reason is most war combat action is done by the AF while Navy is more a fast response force that doesn't get in wars much anymore because they are often fought over land (Falklands war being an exception but that wasn't ours). Anyone bad mouthing the Tomcat is an idiot IMO. These here are just numbers and reflect strategic use and pilot training, as well as airplane capability.
Surely they are recording the F14s combat record in Iranian hands where it went up against the Mig29 and others in Iraqi service
@@jmcfintona999 Some of the kills, like the Floggers, were made by USN Tomcats over the Gulf of Sidra.
@@huiyinghong3073 I don't think you'll find that there were any Me 262s in Gulf War I...
No mention of any IDF Mirage or Mirage variant?
The F 5 fighter was also used as the Tiger Shark to deliver nuclear weapons to Russia back in the day
And what about the Mirage III, called the MIG killer?
By definition, a ratio is the relationship between two positive numbers. Therefore, the three undefeated planes do not have K:L ratios.
thanks, not just me then
Well, they do have L/K ratios.
Yes, the K:L ratio would be infinity.
I am also cranky about them using "is to", which is appropriate for analogies, but not ratios.
@@dangurtler7177Not infinity but undefined.
In the main pilot training/skill is the most important factor in near peer fights.
Mach 2+ and powerful radar still is the best combination for a air superiority fighter
Miss the F-14 Tomcat and F-4 Phantom’s ,
The F-15 Eagle is King!
An SU-27 Was just shot down about a week ago.
Early on, the mig-17 and mig-21 in Vietnam were chowing down on us fighters early on with 1+ to 2+ win to loss rate on US fighters. Especially phantoms because they did not yet have guns, and their missiles were not very effective. The MiGs also gave the navy F-8 crusaders a tough time for a while. And I believe the only air to air loss of the RA-5 Vigilante was done by a Mig-21. The Vigilante was a fast maneuverable mach 2 supersonic plane, and the MiG-21 was one of the few Soviet planes at that time that could successfully catch it.
the F-4 and f-100,f-105 owned mig- 17 & Mig-21
@@sponkmyers7478 when you go and do a deep dive into the actual total numbers, the US fighters did not have as rosy of a picture as claimed. Yes you did have a couple of lop sided wins vs losses occasionally, but it went both ways. The US plane guys love to brag abut the wins, but tend to be rather quiet on the loses when they get their butts kicked. There are a couple of detailed publications which quite accurately record the tail numbers for the planes on both sides and even who the crews were, often with dispositions of those crew members.
The reason the Red Flag and Top Gun advanced fighter training programs for the Air Force and navy pilots was because the MiGs were so successfully chowing down on US planes, generating unacceptably and shockingly high US loss rates. There was a period of time where the north Vietnamese Air Force were shooting down US planes at the same or better rates than we were shooting them down. And some of that was done with Russian and Chinese pilots at the controls, just like in the Korean War. While air to air combat losses were a relatively small percentage of the aircraft overall loses, they still were significant. The vast majority of US aircraft losses were due to anti aircraft ground gun fire and surface launched missiles. With the ground Anti Aircraft Guns accounting for the largest percentage of aircraft losses. And there were multi thousands of US aircraft lost in Vietnam. Reference for one source. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War
@@americanrambler4972 🤣🤣🤣 sorry buddy i dont read shit from Wikipedia it's 90% wrong. I have many books on Vietnam war.
You are right in the beginning of the war of Vietnam the Migs Dominated the air until the F-4s came out and pilots learn not to turn fight a MIg.
@@sponkmyers7478 the Wikipedia reference was not the only reference, but is a starting point. There are books like “Combat in the Sky: Airpower and the Defense of North Vietnam, 1965-1973 by Dong Sy Hung” and “Vietnam Air Losses: USAF, Navy, and Marine Corps Fixed-Wing Aircraft Losses in SE Asia 1961-1973
Hobson, Christopher”. I cannot relocate the most interesting book I did read because I found it in a used book store and I no longer have it. But it was extremely detailed and one of the best compilations of data I have seen. I have looked for that book since but failed to find it.
I have also casually talked to a small number of pilots who actually flew missions in Vietnam. One was a F-105 Thunderchief pilot. I learned a lot of things from him about what went on from his experience and perspective. One example was how the F-4 phantom could not keep up with the Thunderchief’s on their strike missions because the phantom needed to intermittently use afterburner to fly at the same speeds they normally operated at without using afterburner. And they did occasionally have to deal with the north Vietnamese MiGs intruding on their missions.
When u.s.a finally release if their quality of air-to-air missile is near zero in 1960's.
It seams you forgot that 2 Turkish F-16 were shot down by greek mirage in 2 occasions.
The first by a mirage F1 the second by a mirage2000
The only confirmed F-16 kill is the one occured in 1996, a Hellenic Mirage 2000-5EG shot down a Turkish F-16D with a R.550 Magic II
There were no F-16 losses against a Mirage F-1
Very interesting video but I thought Mirage 3 and his derivative would have been in this top6.
I'm thinking Mirage III is missing here only because they caught most of their adversaries on the ground in '67. Still i'm surprised they haven't made the list as per aerial kills.
The Bob Semple had the greatest kill to loss ratio of any fighter ever.
One turkish F-16D have shot down from a Hellenic Mirage 2000 on dogfight on 1996, by one Magic 2 missile, with the lost of one of the pilots.
The F86 Sabre ratios in the Korean War have become more disputed in the last couple of decades, even in the West.
I’m an F86 Sabre fan but it’s known that all pilots make mistakes in battle and accurate figures from N Korea are impossible to come by.
The same goes for the F15, F14 and F16 records. They're full of crap.
@@pacus123 How are they full of crap?
America: these are the 40yo toys, you should see the new ones
I wonder if these kill numbers are effected by ROEs (Rules of engagement) of each conflict?
Absolutely
No. The data is not clear.
They should have mentioned the fact the an Israeli flown F-15 made it back to base while missing one of its wings.
It was during training and not in a military operation but yes
He didn't know until he landed too! Conformal fuel tank was ruptured in front of where the wing starts covering what would have been the wing in a mist of fuel.
One of ITS wings. Possessive pronoun, NOT contraction meaning “it is.” Why is this bit of grammar SO hard for RUclips watchers to understand?
@@Andrew-iv5dq Oops, you're right, of course. Fixed.
@@GUNNER67akaKelt During training.
Israeli Airforce ace pilot had the most kills ever flying an F-15
I cannot believe the MiG-23 is still in service
I am surprised the F4 never made the list
It's scary to think the US air force tested their Raptors and F-35s against the top two and both can engage multiple of either 4th gen and destroy them with the limit being ordinance.
There's no point in even discussing raptors. The Democrats killed the project, they're no longer made, and when they wear out they're gone.
Hell yeah, the F15 is 104-0 in dog fights. In the Red Flag games 7, F15's were sent to "kill" a single F22. The F15's performance was textbook perfect but the F22 still killed all 7, F15's. A fighter line that is undefeated loses 7 planes to a single F22. A British pilot and an Aussie pilot both said they could visually see an F22 but their fire control radar couldn't lock on. It was the same with the F15's. Their fire control radar couldn't see the F22.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb: The F22 has a radar cross-section of a freaking bumble bee. The radar systems can't really lock on to it.
Once again, the raptor is dead. The funeral just hasn't been held yet.
Talk about the F-35. It is still (until the democrats kill it too) an ongoing vehicle.
Unless the braindead recruits in today's military do faulty maintenance and crash them all
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb man, that must be the most frustrating thing in the world when you've got an eyeball lock on your target and your targeting system can't lock onto it. I'd probably invent some new swear words.
surely the F18 and Mirage should get an honourable mention?
F18s were shot down in the gulf war and similarly the mirage has taken a fair beating over the years.
F18 has 2 kills and 1 loss to Mig25
I don't know if the F/A-18 has really been used much for combat air since it's deployment. At least not while the opportunity for action was present.
I'm sure some geek here will prove me wrong, but I haven't heard any stories of F-18 air to air, just bomb runs.
Let’s face it, we all knew which was gonna be number 1
6:0 is a better ratio than 10:1, you know? If you’re going to talk about absolute numbers, then why bring the ratio at all?
Why Mirage 3 and Mirage F-1 are not in the list ?
Because they were the ones getting bitchslapped by the Harriers.
Mirage F1 has something like 18 kills 35 losses.
Mirage iii has a lot of kills but I think also losses.
Exactly! I made a similar comment about Israelis using Mirage III's in two of their wars they had kill to loss ratios higher than anything except the F16 and 15's. @@MultiVeeta
See my comment below; with capable pilots, Israelis using Mirage III's in two of their wars had kill to loss ratios higher than anything except the F16 and 15's. Yes, their adversaries were not top notch but neither were the Argie's facing the Harriers. @@Werrf1
The F-15 is a damn legend, not only does it have an impressive win-loss ratio, it is the only fighter to ever land with just one wing. Look it up here on RUclips because it shows how damn tough this jet really is.
An A10 did that, too.
I mean can we count the F-22's balloon engagement as a 1:0? xD
Hilarious that the only non-American plane on this list is one which has so few kills that the man who killed Inigo Montoya's father could count them on a single hand.
That 104 - 0 doesn't include an air to air kill by an F-15E with a 1000lb JDAM during Desert Storm.
The F-86 Sabre figures are interesting, and complicated. If you count all combat, then the F-86 has a roughly 10:1 kill ratio. If you count dogfights between novice North Korean and Chinese pilots, against ex-WW2 Pacific campaign veterans, the Americans scored more or less 100% kills, which you would expect. The Russian instructors were under heavy orders to avoid combat, which they mostly did. But the Russian instructors were WW2 combat vets, exactly like the Americans. They were itching to try their skills against the Americans, and occasionally they did. When those kinds of fights happened, the kill ratio was a lot more like 50 : 50.
10 : 1 is a fair record of the overall kill ratio. It's not a fair representation of the Mig 15 v the F-86. Like the Spitfire v the Bf-109, those two old enemies were very closely matched.
PS: If you go back to older Buzz videos, the Bf-109 is one of the most produced fighters ever, and it has the highest kill number. Bf-109s have destroyed more than all the aircraft below #4 on the list combined, a number over 20,000.
See 5:29 in ruclips.net/video/096MlNLGyLw/видео.html&ab_channel=AmazingViz
Bf-109's had the most mainly because they didn't produce as many types of planes as the allies did. A new plane for the Germans meant an newer upgraded version of the 109 rather than a clean sheet design...that does not make it the best plane in any way, shape or form.
The PAF Sabres were ineffective during the Indo-Pak war of 1971; they lost roughly 28 of them. There were also other losses/groundings because the Pakistani Air Force decided to imprison all their Bengali maintenance crew. I doubt training was an issue, as Chuck Yeager was training them.
@@rajeshkanungo6627~ Good morning Raje.
I wasn't aware of Yeager training the Pakistani pilots ~ I have read his autobiography and I don't recall any mention of that.
As you say yourself, there were a number of factors.
I would note, that the original F-86 was developed between 1946 and 1950, and it met Mig-15s over Mig Alley in 1950 ~ '51. The Indo ~ Paki war, was 20 years after that.
For context, allow me to point out a dogfight that happened in the Football War of 1969, in Columbia or Honduras or some part of Central America. It saw a dogfight between a Corsair and P-51 D Mustang, which I understand was the final nation-state combat between two prop driven front-line fighters in history. (The Corsair won.) I bring that up because it's an interesting historical tid-bit, but it's not really significant and it doesn't really reflect the combat ability of either aircraft, because they were both nearly 30 years old by that point, they were both in a questionable state of repair, they were both being flown by Central American pilots who had never been in combat before. It's a bit difficult to draw good conclusions about which one was the better fighter from that.
When I started this video, it never occurred to me that I would see Iranian Air Force members getting their picture taken with Winnie the Pooh.
Richthofen "hold my 🕹️"
F-22 is 1:0 against balloons
No one else has yet tried their luck 😅
The Saber vs the MIG was mostly due to vastly superior training
And plane, including the better training America has compared to Russia or The Union at the time. Even isreal beat the russians in air
@@im-a-mexican-knockedout-snorin And Israeli pilots had even better training
The MiG-15 was a superior plane, in large part because it had a state-of-the-art British engine in it. It commonly flew well above the F-86 and dove for the kill, similar tactic to Von Richthofen.
@@gsmollin2 the mig was not a superior plane, when both planes were captured both gave different reviews
@@gsmollin2
mig was a better climber, Turner and faster at high alt.
Saber was good a diving and keeping it energy and faster at Sea level
If a Mig dived to the deck they would loose from a Saber unless he stupid to turn with mig.
Obviously done by somebody who has no understanding of why any of these fighters were or are good. The F14's radar tracking and maneuverability are the keys to it being so highly revered, not the twin engine design that had numerous problems with engine failures and blowouts at high angles of attack nor the fact the aircraft lost airspeed when they fixed this problem by swapping out the engines for a different design. Not to mention the kill ratios are so wildly inaccurate to be a joke.
First and thank you so much for these beautiful videos
Completely partial video tilting to US aircrafts. .. video has remained silent on MiG21 achievements during US-Vietnam war, India-Pakistan war in early 70s..
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Even the most conservative estimates of US success in Vietnam War air-to-air combat is a 2:1 advantage for the US, so I don't see how the Mig-21 would make the list over the F-4
@@worldatpeace8979 "THIS IS A FREE WORLD", but you hate "NOISE".
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It's a kill RATIO video - strictly maths. The MIG 21 could have downed 10,000 enemy jets, but if also got shot down 3,000 times, that RATIO would not make the list. RATIO.
I used to be amazed by this F15 stat. 104-0 is a hell of a thing.
But I commented as such on another F15 video, and was quickly brought down by a reply that made me re-think: nearly all the wins were against Gen 3 type aircraft, who clearly not only were inferior in terms of dogfighting capability but also their capability to carry the latest ordanance. You can class the Mig29 as a Gen4... but in reality cockpit and software-wise its not much more advanced than Gen3.
The Eagle has not actually come up in anger against more modern Gen 4-4.5 opponents like the Su2x or Su3x class or the Chinese J class, and all who carry far more advanced weaponry. I don't think that stat would be as it is, if it had.
Not trying to dump on the F15 legend, as I love the Eagle and its an amazing plane, but that 104-0 stat really needs to be taken in context, and not just as a face value number.
Cope
Historically, the F-15 has ALWAYS been more advanced than it's adversary, up until recently, but mostly because of constant upgrades. I still consider that a design quality. I guess what I'm saying is I can't penalize the planes record for being too much better than its target. It just is.
@@scottgalbraith7461 You may be misunderstanding my comments. I'm not penalising the F15... it shoots down what it comes up against and does that VERY VERY well. I still love the Eagle! Its just the 104-0 stat (which I was just as amazed by as everybody originally) is quoted a lot and shock value alone gives the Eagle an almost mythical aura, when in fact as was said to me, the context of its opponents needs to be taken into consideration.
Imagine the Patriots having a 104-0 win/loss ratio. You'd naturally say "wow!". Then finding out all the other teams in the competition were high school & college teams. Does it make the Patriots a poor team? Absolutely not. But it does question the enormity of that stat if it had been up against NFL teams...
@@sbg911 I love it also. Like I said, being the best is a design quality in itself. It means much more was put into it over a longer period of time. You must be more innovative than an opponent over a hundred years to be generations ahead militarily.
My discourse was agreeing with you from an alternate point of view. I give credit to the nation that made it, for making the effort to be in the forefront.
I don't understand why some ratios are reduced, while others are left at e.g. "20:0." It's inconsistent, and I wish the raw numbers had been left for all of them.
I love all the geeks posting on here. Great info.