Not sure whether this really makes sense for canon, the r8 is already great and with discount for about 1300,- available. Not sure who would need a cheaper pure foto centric, spect down version of that. But let’s see and wait, they also came out with an R100. Let’s hope it’s not going to be that bad
@@TVe200 love my r7 and had for a long time the r10 as b-cam. Great camera and with new sigma rf lenses and primes to come from July on, a great camera 👍🏻
Will Canon be able to make a sub-$1000 full frame camera? I kind of doubt it. Besides, as soon as you put a piece of RF glass on it the price jumps to over $2000. I think the "entry level" bar has crept up into the range where you either "buy once, cry once", or you stick with used gear and get some slightly older tech with a few good features instead of some crippled new gear. At least, that's how I would look at it.
The Nikon Z5 is $1296 and is often on sale for $999 - it is a much better camera than the Canon RF and was also released a long time ago in 2020. If both cameras have equal advancements from their MK 1 version then the Z5II will smoke an R9 and probably only be $200 more. -PD
Honestly I don’t think it would even sell well. There are so many full frame barely used cameras on eBay for a few hundred dollars. If Canon wants to pull more into interchangeable lens cameras they would be better off focusing on making a more affordable crop sensor for the masses.
I'm still holding out hope for a RF-mounted M6ii successor; the R series is still lacking a compact pocket-portable body despite discontinuing the M series.
I don't know what this may be or even if another camera is coming. I surely do hope it is an EOS R7ii. Given the newer deal with Tamron and Sigma to market ASP-c lenses, this could be a crop sensor camera and I hope it is a pro type ASP-c. I'm an R7 shooter and really like the camera body. It has some quirks but all camera bodies have their own quirks. I would be clicking one of Simon's "Pre Order Links" at the moment the R7ii is announced. In fact, I'm ordering 2, one for me and one for my wife.
OMG, don't even go there... Digic 8... the RP and R were so underpowered with it. Rolling shutter was terrible. Put the same image processor in all cameras, just dial it back in software. I hope they learned their lesson from the R100...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker *LOL* set the expectations right, then overdeliver ;-) Anyways, when the R9 comes, the Digic X will already be labelled as "the old processor", right ? But how do you feel about a "robust" R9 without flippy screen nor joystick etc .. ?
The Canon RP or the Nikon Z5, both are great cameras still selling and never upgraded. It’s like neither will move forward until the other makes the move.
I have Z5 and I'm perfectly happy with it. I shoot mostly in studio so I don't need high speed burst modes, video is pretty solid for beginners. Sensor is excellent, colors are absolutely stunning. For a photo-centric enthusiast I need nothing more. And I believe most RP/R users feel similar. Canon needs a compact body more than anything else.
They still sell the EOS RP in Best buy and with no price drops. I think it'll hopefully most likely be the EOS R model that was discontinued. We need a solid 30 mp range camera with similar R6 style layout of features like ibis, dual cards, thumbstick and keeping the digital top display like the R and R5.
I thought the R8 is the RP successor. The body is almost identical, uses a smaller battery and had no ibis. What else are they going to nerf to bring the price down lower? Lob off the Evf?
I don't know, it's hard for me to see a more stripped down R8 which I already see as an RP successor. An R7ii I think is slightly more likely when you consider the release dates between the R7 and 90D is a little less than 3 years. A late 2024 annoucement, with a mid 2025 release date, of an R7ii isn't too far-fetched. That could leave the R9 as a retro camera with more computational features.
They can do what they used to do, limit frames per second, limit video resolution and refresh rates. Give it just enough capabilities to make it a great entry level FF camera. No zebras, single card slot....
@OrdinaryFilmmaker I guess it could sort of be done if they just took an R8 and crippled it...Cripple Hammer Canon to the rescue! But the RP wasn't a stripped down R, it was a FF version of an M50 with a different body. I remembered thinking of upgrading to the RP when I had my M50, similar specs with the exact same crippled features, in full frame.
The R50 doesn't feel like it got the cripple hammer from the R10. It feels like it was purpose built. If they did the same with the R8 and said, okay, it can't be better than the R8, must sell for $999, let's limit fps to X, and buffer to X, but lets add computational capabilities pros won't want, but amateurs will love. Give it a purpose and I think it could do very well. The main market will be for photographers, but offer decent 4K video, other over 30 fps. Instead of the traditional, fewer features than the one above but more than the one below - build it for a customer segment that will love it.
Good point about India, and other rising countries. This R9 could be made with existing parts, but using lessons learned to reduce production cost. It could be a lot like the R100. It could also be a retro styled camera. In either case a crop sensor will be a mistake. Still want an r7 mii😢
I am excited about the R9 since I'm planning on selling my R10 to upgrade to full frame, butttt what else do they want strip out from the already great and affordable r8, only to strip out the 4k 60 full frame? maybe new lower res sensor? (highly doubt it) lose the evf? hm probably, or maybe fixed screen like the R100, ehh I don't know😂, I'm still interested in the r8 though😆
I wonder what’s the purpose is to give it the cheaper WiFi , is it licens fees, or just cripple it cause they know most people will not use wifi cause it’s a camera for “amateurs”? Chance is big I will buy it if it’s a cheap ff camera just as a small walk around camera
why not just make a R equivalent instead? the R8 is made in the same body as the rp, if they make the r9 a rp follow up i would be really disappointed. the rp could have a firmware update and still be rellevant un the line up because the r8 is made in the same body. we need a REAL semi-pro camera not another entry level
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Not sure whether this really makes sense for canon, the r8 is already great and with discount for about 1300,- available. Not sure who would need a cheaper pure foto centric, spect down version of that. But let’s see and wait, they also came out with an R100. Let’s hope it’s not going to be that bad
Agree, those finding R8 to expensive can buy an APS-C camera like R10 or R50.
@@TVe200 love my r7 and had for a long time the r10 as b-cam. Great camera and with new sigma rf lenses and primes to come from July on, a great camera 👍🏻
R8 failed because of the lack of ibis, poor battery and heating.
Will Canon be able to make a sub-$1000 full frame camera? I kind of doubt it. Besides, as soon as you put a piece of RF glass on it the price jumps to over $2000. I think the "entry level" bar has crept up into the range where you either "buy once, cry once", or you stick with used gear and get some slightly older tech with a few good features instead of some crippled new gear. At least, that's how I would look at it.
The new Apsc sigmas and tamrons would be in the budget I would think
The Nikon Z5 is $1296 and is often on sale for $999 - it is a much better camera than the Canon RF and was also released a long time ago in 2020. If both cameras have equal advancements from their MK 1 version then the Z5II will smoke an R9 and probably only be $200 more.
-PD
I'm sure that Canon would look at the Z5 if the R9 is the camera in question...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The Z5 is now on sale for $999 - much better camera in all respects to the RP - the same will be likely true of a Z5II to an R9
The Canon R8 is the RP successor. Therefore the smartest move is for Canon to do a FF Nikon type ZF model.
Canon stated the opposite at the announcement of the R8 at a press vent. Where are you getting your information from?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker
R8 looks like successor to Rp
But actually R8 is little brother to R6m2
Give me that R7 with battery grip capability and a deeper buffer!
Yep, that's needed too.
I hope they don't attempt to do a full frame R100... They might sell it well but will disappoint many newcomers.
No kidding. The reception of the R100 was unanimous. I doubt they will do something like that again.
Honestly I don’t think it would even sell well. There are so many full frame barely used cameras on eBay for a few hundred dollars. If Canon wants to pull more into interchangeable lens cameras they would be better off focusing on making a more affordable crop sensor for the masses.
@@noctwicethe r50 fits that mold
A “cheap,” small FF Canon camera with some RF 28mm & 40mm pancakes would be cool.
I'm still holding out hope for a RF-mounted M6ii successor; the R series is still lacking a compact pocket-portable body despite discontinuing the M series.
I loved that cam and hated to let it go
I have a RP as my throw around camera. I’d love to upgrade but I’ll probably go R6 or R5 when I do.
Canon RP with 24-105 stm for CHF 850 including Tax in one Store
@@ernstyawo I have the 24-105 too. That’s a great lens. Only downside is indoor low light. Super sharp if you have the light.
I don't know what this may be or even if another camera is coming. I surely do hope it is an EOS R7ii. Given the newer deal with Tamron and Sigma to market ASP-c lenses, this could be a crop sensor camera and I hope it is a pro type ASP-c. I'm an R7 shooter and really like the camera body. It has some quirks but all camera bodies have their own quirks. I would be clicking one of Simon's "Pre Order Links" at the moment the R7ii is announced. In fact, I'm ordering 2, one for me and one for my wife.
Hi Simon, how shall we judge the risk the R9 comes with digic 8 and the rear layout & LCD from the R100 ??
OMG, don't even go there... Digic 8... the RP and R were so underpowered with it. Rolling shutter was terrible. Put the same image processor in all cameras, just dial it back in software. I hope they learned their lesson from the R100...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker *LOL* set the expectations right, then overdeliver ;-) Anyways, when the R9 comes, the Digic X will already be labelled as "the old processor", right ?
But how do you feel about a "robust" R9 without flippy screen nor joystick etc .. ?
The Canon RP or the Nikon Z5, both are great cameras still selling and never upgraded. It’s like neither will move forward until the other makes the move.
I have Z5 and I'm perfectly happy with it. I shoot mostly in studio so I don't need high speed burst modes, video is pretty solid for beginners. Sensor is excellent, colors are absolutely stunning. For a photo-centric enthusiast I need nothing more. And I believe most RP/R users feel similar. Canon needs a compact body more than anything else.
They still sell the EOS RP in Best buy and with no price drops. I think it'll hopefully most likely be the EOS R model that was discontinued. We need a solid 30 mp range camera with similar R6 style layout of features like ibis, dual cards, thumbstick and keeping the digital top display like the R and R5.
The R100 was after all the M50 II, but with some capabilities taken away - even had the Digic 8.
I don't understand why Canon didn't revamp the M mount lenses on the RF-S mount. The 22 f/2, 32 f/1.4, 28 f/3.5 macro at least...
I think it's time to buy used m50 with speedbooster and ef adapter and used sigma and canon full frame lens
I just can’t see something coming out that would make me trade in my R5. But then again.. I may get the itch so who knows
Nah, even a much better Nikon or Sony won't take away from what it can do.
My thoughts is that the R9 could be a R6M1 sensor without IBIS with RP Body, or maybe a r7 sensor without IBIS with RP body
That's a strong possibility too.
I thought the R8 is the RP successor. The body is almost identical, uses a smaller battery and had no ibis. What else are they going to nerf to bring the price down lower? Lob off the Evf?
I don't know, it's hard for me to see a more stripped down R8 which I already see as an RP successor. An R7ii I think is slightly more likely when you consider the release dates between the R7 and 90D is a little less than 3 years. A late 2024 annoucement, with a mid 2025 release date, of an R7ii isn't too far-fetched. That could leave the R9 as a retro camera with more computational features.
They can do what they used to do, limit frames per second, limit video resolution and refresh rates. Give it just enough capabilities to make it a great entry level FF camera. No zebras, single card slot....
@OrdinaryFilmmaker
I guess it could sort of be done if they just took an R8 and crippled it...Cripple Hammer Canon to the rescue!
But the RP wasn't a stripped down R, it was a FF version of an M50 with a different body. I remembered thinking of upgrading to the RP when I had my M50, similar specs with the exact same crippled features, in full frame.
The R50 doesn't feel like it got the cripple hammer from the R10. It feels like it was purpose built. If they did the same with the R8 and said, okay, it can't be better than the R8, must sell for $999, let's limit fps to X, and buffer to X, but lets add computational capabilities pros won't want, but amateurs will love. Give it a purpose and I think it could do very well. The main market will be for photographers, but offer decent 4K video, other over 30 fps. Instead of the traditional, fewer features than the one above but more than the one below - build it for a customer segment that will love it.
Good point about India, and other rising countries. This R9 could be made with existing parts, but using lessons learned to reduce production cost. It could be a lot like the R100. It could also be a retro styled camera. In either case a crop sensor will be a mistake. Still want an r7 mii😢
As others have said I think what canon needs are a retro model and a proper compact model
This is starting to get exhausting ..... Canon come on release something!!
We are still on schedule as per historical data...
I am excited about the R9 since I'm planning on selling my R10 to upgrade to full frame, butttt what else do they want strip out from the already great and affordable r8, only to strip out the 4k 60 full frame? maybe new lower res sensor? (highly doubt it) lose the evf? hm probably, or maybe fixed screen like the R100, ehh I don't know😂, I'm still interested in the r8 though😆
Canon, please release a retro body R6 mk 2 🤞🏽
Meanwhile we, Nikon users, are still expecting an announcement for a z6iii (zf with grip) and still no any news about it...
Yeah, that's what I've been looking for... wasn't expecting the R52 to be coming a week earlier.
What could they strip off the R8 to make a cheaper R9?!?!?
Maybe get rid of the flip screen and the electronic viewfinder? 🤔
My guess is that it will be an EOS- M style body with an APS-C sensor.
I wonder if that segment is already too crowded. Smartphones have a lot of the low end covered.
It makes sense because the P in RP backwards is a 9
Entry level like R100 will be a disaster with a kit lens like 24-50mm F4.5-6.3 😢
I wonder what’s the purpose is to give it the cheaper WiFi , is it licens fees, or just cripple it cause they know most people will not use wifi cause it’s a camera for “amateurs”? Chance is big I will buy it if it’s a cheap ff camera just as a small walk around camera
informative news Thanks Simon.
I guess they could only make it cheaper if they use R8 processing power but with the same old RP sensor
There is the problem... the RP had a 26mp sensor... Canon is likely to stick a 24mp sensor in it instead.
They sure have a lot of models in the lineup. Seems a little messy, truthfully.
may will be the replace of R ?!!!!
It makes more sense if it’s a retro camera.
why not just make a R equivalent instead? the R8 is made in the same body as the rp, if they make the r9 a rp follow up i would be really disappointed.
the rp could have a firmware update and still be rellevant un the line up because the r8 is made in the same body.
we need a REAL semi-pro camera not another entry level
The R8 is the successor to the RP
Not according to Canon
R8 without a view finder at $900
I thought the R8 was the new rp???
If India is the target, my bet is more about an R1000 (killing 2000D and 4000D) not R9
R7 mark 2 😔😔😔,when will it release 😩
No one knows, but Canon is getting better at keeping secrets.
More sense if it was the Cannon R 🤷♂️
Yeah, but seems like the R8 was that...
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