The gap between how much people like Platinum versus Diamond and Pearl fully solidifies in my mind that when people were asking for a Gen 4 remake, they really wanted a remake of Platinum, and the Pokémon Company misunderstood all the requests.
Having the Platinum Style just be the default winter outfit instead of being event-exclusive would have been better. And also, having all five of the BF facilities instead of just one. Why just add 1/5 of a Frontier?
Gamefreak didn't misinterpret anything. The recent leaks show they originally never intended to make a Sinnoh remake, and outsourced a very low effort, ugly, buggy, and "faithful" remake of DP at the last second incase people didn't like PLA. I enjoyed Arceus, but it's very unlike the other mainline games and isn't really Sinnoh. I think it sucks DPPt will likely never have its own HGSS/ORAS-type remake with Pokemon from after Gen IV in the dex, Sinnoh's cities and landmarks will never be reimagined in full 3D, the gym leaders, stat trainers, and elite 4 will never have new outfits, the starters will never have Megas or other battle gimmicks, the Battle Frontier will never be brought back with modern QoL mechanics, the team galactic plotline will never be fleshed out, etc. It feels Gen 4 fans were really given the short end of the stick
@@4er4844 *"and outsourced a very low effort, ugly, buggy, and "faithful" remake of DP"* BD/SP is nothing of the sort. It is high effort, being buggy isn't a problem (just see OoT) and being faithful is a good thing because it avoids the mistakes of Platinum. *"I think it sucks DPPt will likely never have its own HGSS/ORAS-type remake"* And that's a good thing. OR/AS might have been good, but HG/SS is heavily overrated.
@@4er4844 *"Sinnoh's cities and landmarks will never be reimagined in full 3D, the gym leaders, stat trainers, and elite 4 will never have new outfits,"* This is a nitpick at best. *"the Battle Frontier will never be brought back with modern QoL mechanics,"* Good, it was an annoying waste of space.
One little thing I appreciate about this video is that you described the list as most popular vs least popular. Rather than saying best and worst because obviously its a matter of opinion and not objective fact even if most people agree.
How good that that was the case, otherwise people would be treating their opinions as facts and we really *don't* need any more of that in this fanbase.
The little discussion about what defined a mainline Pokémon Game reminded me of the discussion about what's a mainline Super Mario Game which is a complete nightmare to define
They truly are the Heart & Soul of the series. I feel that Heart Gold & Soul Silver are the point in which they perfected the 2d art style, taking the Pixel graphics to their best. Black & White would also use Pixel Art, but there were 3d tricks used in it that distort it a bit. These two games are where Pokemon Peaks for me. Legends Arceaus is good, very good, and I hope it is the model they follow going forward. However, the nostalgia for Heard Gold and Soul Silver for me, keep it at the top of the list for now... and probably for a long time to come.
My fav games are RBY but I wouldnt argue with HG SS being the best games overall. I feel once they moved away from 2D art it no longer felt like Pokemon
Pre Pokemon Go is the best era for Pokemon as a game. Go ruined it for the mainline game, it expanded the franchise into merchandise business when new mainline game purpose is just to introduce new dex, not to make actual game.
If it needs that many cutscenes mb that means the story needed it otherwise itd be too boring xoxo. Gen 5 for example the story with the overall worldbuilding made the story so interesting that they barely needed cutscenes
It's hard to replay because of all the unskippable cutscenes though.. story is fine the first time around, but replayability is what makes a game last, I think.
@@rolef6084 there really isn't that much more in SM then there is in BW, the long tutorial throws people off (by the way I mean dialogue, because that's what people mean when they say cutscenes. SM doesn't actually have that many true cutscenes)
Scarlet and Violet were wonderful really ambitious games that needed to cook far more X and Y were normal games they barely could put together make Shigeki Morimoto the CEO
Everyone only likes Gen 3 because they are blinded by nostalgia, I have played both Ruby and Emerald and the story was genuinely so boring it felt like nothing happened until the last second but even the climax of the game being the fight between the Legendary Pokémon felt rushed. I don’t blame the game for being bad as it was rather old and revolutionary for the time but I believe that the only reason why people think it is good is because many RUclipsrs are around the age of 20-30 so they naturally feel nostalgic towards the game as it was their first game and the tell everyone that the games are perfection when they are really average games.
This needs to be stated because people have misconception. Red/Green are the original games and Blue came out later. For the international audience Red/Blue were made using Japanese Blue assets while using Japanese Red/Green Pokemon distributions. So Red/Green and Japanese Blue(International Red/Blue) are different games.
I don't really think this does need to be stated. It's a video talking about the English games, it doesn't really need to talk about Red and Green. If it did it would then need to differentiate between Red (Japanese) and Red (English), as separate games.
@@spiderfanmaniac9783 He's calling you a nerd lmao But I really don't think the differences between the American Red and Blue, and Japanese Red and Green, are notable enough for each to be considered their own entries, ON TOP of Japanese Blue AND Yellow, especially for a ranked list that is primarily intended for a western (non-Japanese) audience. I don't believe Blue actually changed anything apart from graphics and some minor bugfixes (and pokemon spawn locations, ofc); the core game remained the same, so it doesn't really need its own entry either. Yellow is the first Kanto game to significantly change the core game (by forcing starter Pikachu and giving access to all 3 starters), so that's the only other Kanto game that gets its own ranking. He's not wrong for lumping all versions of Red, Blue, and Green into one entry.
Maybe it's because they're the ones I grew up with and I revisit them regularly, but I'm really surprised that RBY are so low on the list, especially when more recent games have been so controversial with their changes to the formula. Nostalgia really is a powerful influence! Not surprised at all with the top few though - all well deserved placements.
I think the reason RBY is so low just comes down to FRLG being close to 1:1 remakes with better graphics and Gen 3 mechanics giving little reason to go back to Gen 1.
As someone who grew up with Gold and Crystal, I cannot understand how people focus that much on the remake. For me Crystal still holds up and make the remake kind of unecessary . But I guess I'm old now.
Both RBY and GSC are great games, but they are lacking so many quality of life changes that were improved by future games (especially by their respective remakes). Having access to more Pokemon, more features, and more mechanics is generally a good thing, and makes basically every future game stand above the originals. Personally, I don't think I could ever go back to them anymore. I replayed them once on vc, and had a good time (mainly making use of exploits, like skipping past the trainer who blocks Pewter City exit, using Trainer-Fly glitch to delete a Snorlax from the map, and using the pokedoll against ghost Marowak, to skip around the region and fight gyms in basically any order I chose) Then after having a taste of a vanilla plus romhack (which added running shoes, quick use of HM's on the overworld, fixed battle mechanics, and improved movesets), I could just never play through the base game again; it's simply too slow and archaic feeling.
@@Mysda_ If you grow up with it you may not see the big flaws the game has. The biggest of all - relying too much on Kanto. Of all the gen 2 Pokemon, the vast majority of them either suck or is available at the end of the game. Barely any Johto Pokemon in usable. The gym leaders themselves have Kanto Pokemon with no reason at all. Also, the level curve is completely trash, with trainers in Kanto, so after you beat the league, having level 30~ Pokemon, making exploring Kanto more boring than exciting, also because you have already seen all Kanto Pokemon in Johto. There are other flaws like the lack of proper dungeons and a weak story, but there are the biggest ones. HGSS do a great job of making most of Johto Pokemon usable and adding a ton of content - from the Pokehatlon to the Voltorb flip minigame - from the Safari Zone to the Battle Frontier
@Marowak31 But they didn't fix the level curve nor the pokemon available right? To me it felt like the same game in 4G, so I never finished it completely.
B2W2 will forever be #1 in my heart. Best two Christmas presents I've ever had were Black 2 in 2012, when I was 8 - my first ever pokémon game (explains why I love the game so much) and Soul Silver last year age 19 (partially because it is great and partially because getting HGSS in *2023* is remarkable)
Good list of popularity of the games. 👌 However, in terms of objectively being the “best” Pokémon game and experience, Pokémon Platinum is as the best from an objective game designer’s perspective.
Based on these ranking I'm convinced many people voting do not actually play these games all that much and probably haven't played an unmodified version in years. I love HG/SS, but playing it at single speed in 2024 feels really slow. Meanwhile S/V has performance issues, but is one of the most fun RPG experiences on Switch and has moves the series forward in a huge way.
I think the biggest issues with Gen 2 were it's level curve and main plot. While HGSS did improve upon Gen 2 in many aspects, these two fundamental issues did not see any improvements, which is why it's not a perfect remake imo.
Agreed, I think BDSP, SWSH and SV all got affected by this to some degree. Let's Go as well, to a lesser degree. Ruby/Sapphire in particular seem to have gotten the opposite, they're higher than I would have expected.
SV should not be as low as it is, but I don't think it would even come close to HGSS if it were rated properly. Especially on a Switch Lite or Handheld mode, the game chugs at absolutely every moment.
I agree with BDSP, it was a downgrade from ORAS. It took me too long to complete because I had to take breaks due to boredom, like how Kirby Star Allies took me months to complete because of how bored I got playing iy
If anything, it's not enough to significantly increase the possible combinations of your team members. The good ones in the underground are like, Togepi, Houndoom, Magnemite... Let's be honest, those are quality options, and I think we can appreciate quality over quantity...? Especially since Houndoom is busted for anyone that didn't choose Chimchar, and Magnemite is the only electric dual type obtainable before the nat dex...
5:03 - Oh, hey, that's mine! :D (Or maybe someone-else also said that, I can't rule it out.) 10:08 - I *think* "best version of Kanto" could also be mine, but I can't really tell since it's obviously a very popular opinion, LOL.
Can you do a video with the spin-offs next. I know that they're not as popular, but I would rank the Mystery Dungeon and Ranger Games above most of the main line ones
Pokemon Conquest is really awesome too (although not as deep in story as Super Mystery Dungeon) edit: I’ve only played 2 Mystery Dungeon games btw :( also Pokemon Duel deserved better lol
Thomas I love your videos but you need to acknowledge that 3000 people is an extremely small sample amount and that honestly, because of the style of your videos, your viewers (and therefore survey-completers) are most likely to be really young millennials or Gen Zers. That has a MAJOR impact on the results you receive. 3000 is such a small number of a very specific generation too.
True that. To get reliable readings for most of the fan base we'd need a much, MUCH larger sample size (though it would be tricky to get so many to do a survey like this, unless it is kind of like Pokemon of the Year and the pokemon company itself releases the survey)
Does his content skew towards Gen Z? I find that rather hard to believe, as a millennial who lives with a Gen Z. This is absolutely not the kind of video he would watch; a well-paced, calm and thoughtful discussion on classic video games. Gen Z content would be far more heavily edited, with quick cuts and punchy sound effects, and a far more energetic yet biased narrator.
@@Mystmon Yeah, I can't stand these wild 'generation wars'. There's idiots in every generation and there's smart people in every generation. Besides... I'm pretty sure Thomas is a Gen Zer, and we're all here, aren't we?
I’m 90 percent sure I described gen 1 as being held together by duct tape and prayers which feels right considering the amount of legendary bugs gen 1 has from missingno to ACE. It did its job to build the franchise but absolutely is dated to go back to
13 reasons why BDSP are the WORST remakes of all time: 1. Faithfulness: Unlike other remakes, BDSP literally copy/pastes 90% of diamond/pearl(2006). You cannot copy almost everything from a 2006 game.. (Remember its a remake not a remaster!). Almost everything is copied: All dialogs, the storyline, the chibi art style, the national dex, old pokemon encounters and even the Poketch were copy & pasted to this game. Pokemon games have been improved in the past years and had many quality of life changes like 3D art style, overworld Pokemon encounters and reusable TMs. None of these changes were adapted to the game which is just sad. This game is too faithful and faithful sounds more like a excuse for lazyness. 2. Not-Platinum-Based: So they copy & pasted 90% from the old Sinnoh game but not based on Platinum? Diamond & Pearl had several weaknesses and Platinum fixed many of them and included many Quality of Life changes. Here are some Platinum improvements over Diamond/Pearl: It extends the storyline with additional content, new dialogs, new characters like Charon and a new map Distortion world (loved it). The rival was a bit too weak in Diamond/Pearl which was fixed in Plat. The Poketch has a reverse Button. It has the battle frontier. And finally: the Sinnoh dex which was baaad in Dia/Pearl was fixed. The bad sinnoh dex in dia/pearl has only very few Fire Pokemon (very weird). Gym leaders were forced to use weird mons in the main game like Electric gym leader using Octillery or IceType gym leader using Medicham (WTF? Despite Sinnoh having enough Ice/Electric mons) and also many sinnoh mons were restricted to the postgame. Thats means many of the favourite sinnoh mons cannot be used in your team for the main story. But Platinum fixed this issue and created a NEW sinnoh dex which fixed all these issues which made the main story like a sinnoh game. ALL of these great changes of Platinum where NOT included in BDSP. This means BDSP uses the OLD sinnoh dex, OLD dialogs, OLD storyline, NO new character like Charon, NO distortion world and NO battle frontier. That makes BDSP a worse Sinnoh remake than Platinum which was released in 2008. (Imagine a 2008 DS game of the same Region beats you in ALL aspects. WTF) 3. EXP-Share & Friendship-System: One of the most hated features is the EXP-Share system which often leads to WAY more exp than in the past games. In my opinion, the EXP-Share is not too bad. BUT diamond/pearl were not designed to be played with the new EXP-Share system. So if you include an EXP-Share system, you have to increase all levels of the pokemon (from opponent). But they didnt which makes the difficulty of this game too easy.Basically, my whole team was too oveleveled. And the friendship-system is the worst luck-based system i ever saw. A feature that increases the Critical hit-chance,removes paralysis, lets me dodge 100% accurate moves and even lets me survive moves with 1HP. WTF did you smoke gamefreak? And the worst is that, you cannot make any of these optional. Because of that many players who love to do a nuzzlock in Sinnoh, prefer the old DS games. 4. No Innovation: This game not only copy & pastes the majority of its content, it adds nothing new to the game. Lets review some good remakes: HeartGold/SoulSilver (HG/SS) were Gen 2 remakes and included some storyline from Crystal and added many new stuff like the pokeathlon, battle frontier (from sinnoh), gen 1 map/storyline, a complete national dex and the pokewalker. HG/SS were not copy & pasted, but actually remade the game and added good new stuff. Also Alpha ruby&omega saphire (ORAS) have new changes like new art-style , new designs for Team magma/aqua, new Mega-forms, new Primal forms, changes to dialogs and storyline and the complete national dex. BDSP on the other hand does not provide any kind of major change in the game which makes this game really boring. It does have a new Underground which has overworld pokemon, but that is nothing special for 2022 and the ramanas park was neat but nothing too exciting. 5. Underground/Super-Contest: The old underground allowed to create your own living room with furnitures and set traps to troll friends online. Both were removed for a statue system which is really boring. Collecting statues and the effects of the statues are really disapointing. The Super-Contest used to be a fun-mode where you had many different options and varities and had to have good reflexes to do the correct moves at the correct time. Now all you have to do is Press A at the correct time and use 1 attack. That makes this mode so boring and disapointing. I mean, was it really that hard to let the player press like 4 different buttons instead of just 'A'?? 6. Art-Style: Many of us expected a modern review of Sinnoh in a 3D human like Art-style. But they decided to go for the Chibi-Art-Style. Everyone has different tastes but in my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style ruins many serious moments of the story line of this game, especially vs team galactic. It feels like all the emotions of the characters were removed. The reason why it was used in Diamond/Pearl was because of the limited hardware. In my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style waas the wrong decision and does not suit a switch game at all. 7. Only Gen 4: BDSP has a national dex which includes the pokemon from Gen 1-4 which is basically the same as Diamond/Pearl. As a player who would have loved to see at least some Pokemon from Gen 5-8 in Sinnoh, i am very disappointed. At least some Pokemon post Gen4, or some new forms or at least add Sylveon in this game. Not even mega-forms were included in this game. The fact that 95% of the megas are from Gen1-4 and the underground being the perfect place to grind the mega-stones, makes this decision even more disapointing. The reason why diamond/pearl was limited to Gen 1-4 was because there werent any other new pokemon. The reason why BDSP limited the game to Gen 1-4 is because of lazyness.. 8. PVP: On of the worst things in this game is everything arround PVP. The worst disrespect a main series pokemon game can get, is when GameFreak calls that all the competitive tournaments including the world championship will not take place in BDSP (WTF?). Unlike Sword/Shield, you have no option to search for PVP matches which makes it way harder to find battles. But the worst thing is the grind for a PvP team: TMs are not reusable (WHY?!). For some important TMs like Earthquake, you have to grind for 80BP (WTF. Thats a lot of Grind). Also you cannot catch pokemon with hidden abilities except those from poke radar. To get the hidden ability you have to grind for the ability patch for 200BP (WTF. Grind competitive to create a competitive. Nice system). By putting important PVP items behind such ridiculously high grind walls, it makes creating a PVP team disgusting. 9. Events: The events were also copy & pasted from Diamond/Pearl. Same Shaymin event, same Darkrai event. And other events are only accesible if you bought other main series pokemon game (Why..). And finally some garbage "events" which include some useless statues. Meanwhile, the 3 year old SW/SH getting better and innovative events like new PVP cups/tournaments and some legendary shinies. In my opinion the events in BDSP are disapointing. 10. Bugs/Glitches: Holy Moly! This game had so many bugs and glitches! You dont even need hacks, when the game itself has to many glitches. Many of them where completely broken. Many Pokemon clone glitches and item dupe glitches ruined the game. You could even get infinity money, create your own shinies (WTF), make your pokemon 6IV and let any Pokemon learn any move. I used to be in a discord for trading in BDSP and because of the glitches, the trade market was only about getting shiny 6IVs etc. Not to forget to mention the soft locks which made you restart the whole game which can happen for example in the ice gym. Usually every games has a few bugs. But this one had too many and too many game breaking glitches. A very hyped game like this shouldnt be developed by a 3rd party company.. But Gamefreak had other plans.. 11. Controls: The controls of this game feel weird and uncomfortable. Characters move in a grid which looks so weird during the storyline. The pokemon who follow me often block me in a bad way. The underground has many inivisible walls which makes moving in some rooms horrible. And finally the control with the cycle are the worst. The cycle in pokemon games are a beloved feature but in this game.. It feels so uncomfortable moving with the cycle, I sometimes even prefer walking. 12. Standards: A 2021 game should adapt the standards from the latest games (Sword 2019). The BDSP-standard isnt nearly as good as Sword/Shield. Many items, many attack moves, renewable TMs, dynamax, new pokemon, old moves without heart scales, more customization,max Raids or ranked battle stadium. None of the mentioned were adapted into this game -> BIG Downgrade for 2021 pokemon standards! 13. Price: Dia/pearl/Platinum: 40$ and Copy/Paste BDSP with Bugs:60$ -> Bruh.. Conclusion: It feels like GameFreak didnt want to do a Sinnoh remake but wanted to milk some money by releasing the highly demanded Sinnoh remake. The fact that, they hired a 3rd party company who never developed a major game, only supports this theory. Not forget to mention that, BDSP had a giant day one patch which was essential to enjoy the game. The fact that they released Legends Arceus almost 1-2 months after BDSP release also supports the theory, that they didnt care at all for this remake. Because of the release of Legends Arceus, the hiring of ILCA, the amount of glitches, the boring events, the exclusion of VGC, the 0 Innovation in this game and the fact that the majority of the game is copy & paste of a 2006 game (Dia/Pearl) which is worse than a 2008 Game (Platinum), makes this game the worst remake of all time in my opinion.
Personally, I don't understand all the praise regarding Pokémon Legends Arceus. While far from bad, it is for me just a good base for future installments in the same style and not the 3rd best like in this video. It had so many problems right and left that diminished my enjoyment of it. The majority of them could be ironed with the next one but as it stands, it's like a 7.75/10 for me and not more.
It's a "step in the right direction." Which doesn't have to mean it's necessarily a perfect game. I hear a lot of people say they didn't even finish it in spite of liking it, and I'm the same.
I love many things about PLA, but one of my most favorite things about the game is how fast and snappy it is, I don't feel like battling and catching pokemon drags on and on so unnecessarily like in so many other games. My next favorite thing about PLA was all the little fun bits of world building and exploration it has, it feels like one of the "fullest" pokemon games because of this. For example, there were so many little side quests that helped the villagers of Jubilife gain more understanding,respect, and friendship with the pokemon they previously were so afraid of, which tied so well to the main stories and characters and their struggles with connecting positively with the pokemon world It's funny though, I think your critical rating of 7.75 is too high of this game, I think 6.5 is even a bit generous giving all of the issues the game has, but I seemed to have more fun with the game overall than you did. Sometimes the personal "fun factor" matters much more than we think lol.
PLA added immersion by removing the tediousness of turn-based catching. Sure, it is an ugly tech-demo. But it gave enough freedom for the player to explore. The mechanic were good enough to make it somehow addictive, with Pokémon populate the world (with logical spawn) and have some behavior than just being there wandering aimlessly. It felt good after Pokémon USUM (many felt as DLC not justifying a full-price game, expecting a B2W2), LGPE (a good looking but dumbed Pokémon game, oddly I like it "better" than FRLG), SwSh (a linearity that the Wild Areas didn't compensate for, a scenario being confusing and frustrating as if the game had no vision) and lately, the disaster BDSP. PLA felt like different. It wasn't a cashgrab, had some difficulty, vision and a soul, the opposite of the 4 previous games. Sure, PLA is a glorfied tech demo but... it was the breath of fresh air. It felt like the first "good" Pokémon on the Switch, therefore being the "best" on that console.
For me, It was fun having the original tag line "gotta catch em all" actually be relevant again since that's what you need to do to get Arceus. So mich so that on my 1st playthrough I did a "Professor Laventon" challenge where you get all the pokemon you can before beating the nobles. Also, just exploring the world with the Wild Pokemon actually feeling dangerous, and the cohesiveness of catching w/o stopping, or the new styles in battle with their trade offs of power vs speed.
HG/SS and OR/AS were absolutely goated remakes that I have nothing but good to say about, especially OR/AS which is my personal #1. Honestly surprised Crystal outdid Gold/Silver, but kinda makes sense with the first female protagonist though. B/W and B2/W2 are extremely underrated and I actually picked these up on a whim some years ago, but several after their actual release. Extremely unexpected but pleasant surprises with those. The rest after OR/AS, I really can't give an opinion on since that was my last one I actually played. I never actually played D/P, even the originals and I nearly went and got the remake, but didn't end up following through and I seem to have dodged a bullet on that one lol.
It's hard to see if you just look at them at a glance, but going to vanilla Gold/Silver after Crystal really really shows just how way much more did Crystal did. People who say it didn't do much different are wrong. Gold and Silver are actually way more primitive than people remember-- the phone system is very bare-bones, it's Crystal what gives each character a personality! A lot is polish, but it goes a really, really long way.
How about which shinies have the best color? Say a survey like the pokemon rankings one, but it shows the normal and shiny versions and the surveyor rates how good the shiny is on a 1-10 scale
I feel like I'm the only Pokemon fan who LOVES Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl. While Platinum is still the definitive Gen 4 experience, BDSP still fixed a lot of the OG DP's problems, better QoL, having more Pokemon accessible thanks to the Grand Underground, and I'll be real it actually looks gorgeous (though keeping the chibis for cutscenes is a low point). I grew up with Diamond and Pearl, and playing BDSP reminded me a lot of the good old days--isn't that what a game is all about? If you get enjoyment out of it, you end up liking it--that's exactly what BDSP did to me, and I'll love these remakes, carve that on my tombstone if you must.
It's also alot faster too. No slow battles or experience, no carrying an slave Pokemon to do all the HM stuff, no pace breaker, it's all smooth & quick.
It's better than the originals, I'll give it that. But I really wanted it to be more like HGSS and ORAS, adding more content and at least a few more Pokemon. I didn't want all 800 or however many Pokemon at the time, I just wanted Sylveon and the regional forms plus the evos for those like Obstagoon. It was alright to play, I just wish it was more. And that's not having unreasonably high expectations or anything, just add the regionals and Sylveon then fix the trainer teams up. .... Leafeon and Glaceon being still unavailable until postgame in their home region also nags me. Chibis didn't bother me, it was just a disappointment IMO compared to ORAS and HGSS when Pearl was my first game and I wanted it to have the same treatment.
Generally agree. I would put scarlet & violet & the sun & moon games above gen 2. I'd also put legends a lot lower. Its not bad, i just find it boring. I'd probably also adjust HGSS a little down and Platinum maybe a spot up. I'd probably say BW2 is the best games even though i say Platinum is my favourite
I think sun&moon are alright games but really feels like a step down from oras and start to show the cracks on game freak with clearly cut features, too much focus on a superficial story and the dreaded cutscenes makes them one of the hardest games to replay. So its easy to understand how they can be consistently underrated (what isnt saying they are amazing games btw). Plus at that point it was clear pokemon was lagging behind on their consoles. While its hard to argue that emerald isnt at least in the top 5 gba games (and i think its a strong case for it being the best gba game) i can think of 5 better 3ds games from the top of my head than any pokemon game on the console (even if oras feels like a great one and scrapes close to the list). I also find Legends way too boring. It looks amazing when you compare it with bdsp, but the end result isnt flattering even if you pitch it against 10 year older open world games such as witcher 3 or skyrim, or if you want to keep on the switch its laughable to compare it with botw. If you want to see it as a monster hunter variant it still feels worse than the 3ds era mh games. Heck even Ni no Kuni 1 does what it appears legends wants to do better.
I LOVE POKÉMON LEGENDS ARCEUS!!! I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT! Technically as terrible as Scarlet and Violet, but there is a difference. It has style, it has vibrant colors, a cartoonish cel-sgading that imitates the style of Ken Sugimori (hundreds of times better than realistic textures). The scenarios are different and with an excellent level design since the game is structured in a progressive way in making you unlock the various movement abilities. In SV you could very well take the climbing first and literally break the game. Such a good game *SPOILER FOR GENERATION 10!!!* Let's hope that the islands of Gaia are structured in the same way as Legend Arceus. ZA will definitely be divided into five areas for each square of Lumious City. Maybe dividing the maps in a progressive way is the best way to bring Pokémon to 3D
Meanwhile they allowed me to dictate how fast I see the story I am fine. That was the biggest mistake that made me dislike Legends: I was forced to interact with a mechanic I cared little for.
@toumabyakuya I mean Legends was specifically created for the older audience that is looking for Pokémon lore, so it's not really the game's fault to have a lot of story
@@Giokai That wasn't the problem I was talking about, I actually love that. The problem was that the rank system would usually lock me from progressing into the story till I obtained one or two new ranks and am sorry, but the Pokedex missions are boring and repetitive. GF didn't create them based on the Pokemon that would have them, instead they created around 15 or so kinds of missions and then gave every single Pokemon a set of those 15 missions, meaning that it quickly becomes boring when I am forced to catch X number of a Pokemon or to win Y number of battles with an specific Pokemon.
@toumabyakuya I understand that part can be a pain. When I played it, at the end of the first area I was already rank 6-7, which allowed me to do any other area of the game without problems. It never bored me since when I played it I was aware that increasing the rank of the Pokémon increased their chances of being shiny. But not everyone cares about having Pokémon of a different color
One thing I think everyone can agree on are the OSTs. Really immaculate. In LPA for the first time in the series there are OSTs lasting 3 and 4 minutes, some even 6 minutes like the Jubilife village, therefore not repetitive and beautiful to listen to (also because as we were talking about, in each area you spend a lot of time). Also the fact that almost all the soundtrack evolve as you progress through the story
ohhh i wish id seen this survey before the video!!! ive been so busy with work i havent been able to keep up much with looking at channels i like :( but this is so neat! love the fun stuff you do like this
I'm glad that SV still ranked higher than SwSh, though I think they would be ranked even higher if people could overlook the framerate issues. For those who care more about the gameplay, SV is one of the best, imo.
Pokemon lets go was wonderful when i played it with my son. He didnt get bogged down with constant wild encounters, i helped him fight gyms using the 2 v 1 mechanic since he would usually be under leveled from skipping so many trainer fights
Heart Gold and Soul Silver came out during my first year in college. My lasting memory of that game was me and a bunch of the nerd crowd folks getting steps in on the Pokéwalker by just shaking it up and down without actually walking. Good times!
Let's Go is underrated. The graphics are so clear and crisp, the Pokemon on the field are expressive and scaled perfectly so they're not too small and not too big, and the following/riding system is pretty much perfect. I appreciate the painterly effect newer Pokemon games go for, but to me Let's Go still has the best look in terms of simplicity and effectiveness.
Scarlet and Violet deserve higher imo. Unlike Sword and Shield which baited everyone with an open world just for it to be one little area, Scarlet and Violet actually was open world. Plus the Legends Arceus mechanics actually carried over into SV.
Buggy, laggy, with terrible balance and a phenomenally ugly Pokedex. PLA is a much better open world Pokemon game and I hope Gen 10/PLZ-A plays more like PLA than SV.
I mean, PLA had far better mechanics overall, and SwSh shouldn't be discredited for not being open world. I just replayed Shield and I had a great time, and I'm working on the dex.
Only differences in emerald to R/S are Wallace is beat steven and became the champion. Cutscene that shows the giants fighting and rayquaza coming to stop them. End game battle frontier. Thats all. In the story theres literally no reason to get emerald over R/S, unless you want to beat the battle frontier. Oh and like 3 more double battles. Otherwise its the exact same as R/S
Isn't the Emerald Magma Hideout an addition to the game though? In both Ruby and Sapphire, the evil team's hideout is off the coast of Lilycove, which is changed in Emerald to being specifically the Team Aqua hideout, while the Magma hideout is placed in the Jagged Pass. You also get to see the two teams interact at least one or two more times, apart from the Meteor Falls and Mt Chimney events. I think you see them both on Mt Pyre, getting the two colored orbs, and then once more in the sea, after they summon the beasts? Either way, the main story makes more sense, with both evil teams fighting against each other and accomplishing their evil goals, as opposed to one of them being basically labelled as the "good guy" in Ruby and Sapphire. Though having Wallace as E4 champ is a steep downgrade from Steven, thematically speaking Also Emerald has the dupe glitch in the Battle Frontier, so that's an instant win for me
I find it funny that one of the reasons to dislike SwSh is the dexit, while Ruby and Sapphire also had a cut dex. Yet, people love gen 3. Anyway, my faves are all gen 5 games and HGSS, and I’ve been playing every game on release since 1999 (when Red and Blue came to my country).
Ruby/Sapphire did have initial backlash for cutting off connection to the first two generations. What makes R/S different, however, is that all the previous generation Pokemon were still coded into the game and fully usable if you could get one. Sw/Sh, on the other hand, literally cut Pokemon out of existence. Not helping was the claim that it was done to have time to make improved animations when most of them were lifted directly from X/Y
"Pretty visuals" and "Legends Arceus" really do not go together. I admit the changes are good and I had fun with it but did you see the "swamp"? The story was boring (except for the final boss, I LOVE it), the gameplay extremely repetitive, the visuals atrocious and the game buggy as hell. It definitely does not deserve 3rd place. I am excited about ZA Legends tho, I hope Pokemon Company learns from their mistakes (copium).
I think it gets third place by virtue of being a completely different kind of game, compared to the rest in the series. I really enjoyed the wild area capture gameplay, though for anyone that wants more strategic turn-based battles or a deep story with well-written characters... well, Pokemon is probably not the series for you in general, because they've had more misses than hits in that regard. Personally, I enjoyed enough of the characters in PLA, and the capture gameplay to agree with the ranking. It's just *different*, and that's probably what most players want more than anything else. (also most casuals care more about gameplay than they do about graphics or framerate, as can be seen with the sales of SV)
You do such great work on your videos and relaying the information in your surveys! Keep up the great work. I always get excited when I *think* you use my response hahah. Well done!
Surprised scarlet/violet didn't score lower on the list. The graphics weren't great, they were AGGRESSIVE in resource management and anything more than 5ft away animates at like 1 frame per second. The biggest sin was that they made gigantic areas like the schools, and the cities, but the cities had the same sandwich shop copy pasted a dozen times with zero useful difference. Sure it felt "big" but it didn't mean anything cause you realize just how copy pasted everything is.
Honestly LOVED the ranking, very close to my own! Some other thoughts: - Glad to see BDSP at the very bottom - Wholeheartedly agree with Sword and Shield's position, it's leaps worse than Scarlet and Violet - Hard disagree with Legends Arceus, something like #6 would've been a perfect position for it
I'm probably gonna get alot of hate for this. But for me, Black 2 & White 2 are the best Pokemon games I've ever played and I have played almost every Pokemon game except for Gen. 8 & 9. For me, there the most polished & fun Pokemon games I've ever experienced. No other Pokemon games comes close of being this perfection to me as Black 2 & White 2 has.
@misterpokemario6821 I know. But whenever people talk about the best Pokemon games, it's mostly Emerald, Platinum or Heartgold & Soulsilver I've kept hearing about. While I'm not saying that there wrong, these are the games that most people would talk about more. But never have I heard anyone mentioned Black & White or Black 2 & White 2; which IMO are so much better than them.
No, your opinion probably aligns with tons of people in the world. I haven't played B2W2, but from just the amount of content and small details that people are constantly finding out and describing about, I can already tell it's one if not the best Pokemon game ever made.
I already knew the first main line non remake game was gonna be Sword & Shield People disliked it more because of the environment around it than the game itself. It really seems that the time of its release is the problem, not entirely it on itself. Expectations were also a big problem for the game, as many people thought it would be a mind blowing upgrade from the 3DS games, even though it was not that much. In general though, I believe its a very underrated pair
Can't answer for everyone, but I disliked the game itself. With the addition of the DLCs the game is good (love Crown Tundra in particular), but SwSh base games are the most barebones Pokémon experiences ever. They did the absolute bare minimum with the region, the story and the mechanics.
Ignoring the graphical quality, they still aren't exactly great, by Pokemon standards. The routes are very linear, with no caves or branching paths, barely any secrets or explorability, and the entire storyline and game feels just as linear, with npc's stopping you before every single route you enter. The story just seems to *happen* around the player, not having any meaningful impact for the most part; by the time the player arrives, the action is already over. The worst part is probably the elevator section near the end of the game, where you are literally just fighting grunt after grunt while waiting to reach the top. Then it just kinda ends shortly afterwards, without really much of a buildup or payoff. The friendly rival also feels way too similar to Hau from the previous game. There are some good things about the game, like Marnie and Bede being great characters, interesting new pokemon and abilities, postgame storyline was great, and the dlc areas were fun to explore, but the main meat of the game was just.. not great, imo.
Naw dude-- they're not worse than XY storywise, but they dropped the ball in nearly every design aspect of that game top to bottom even before considering its dull attempt at the wild area. The DLC was something of an improvement, but not enough apparently because I couldn't even finish it. :'3 But I will say gen 8 and 9 get a little too much heat from the fans over things that are largely out of game freak's control.
I completely agree with the voters here. The blind nostalgia for D&P in other corners of the internet is laughable. B&W being the highest rated first games of a generation makes a lot of sense. And I love that all my Gen 3 games rank in the top half 😍
Black and white and its sequels, at the time, were the first to have an actual story. The previous titles only really had loosely connected events, Outside getting gym badges and filling out the Pokédex
I hate how he says at the start “Scarlet and Violet were released full of bugs” and then he says “On the other hand, classics like Black and White impress with their involved storyline.” It sucks because Scarlet and Violet have the best story out of any Pokémon game I’ve ever played and I’ve played them all and all anyone will do is hate on it for the bugs.. and this sucks for game freak too as the Pokémon company didn’t give them the time they needed to develop this game and their rushed game design which wasn’t even their fault overshadows the impeccable story and fun gameplay presented in the games. Good thing the Pokémon Company have at least somewhat learned and have given Game Freak a year extension for Pokémon Legends: Z-A.
Too bad. You release a faulty product, and you get criticized for it. I don't care if your story is amazing, if the pages in the book are torn, falling out of their bindings, and the cover is rotten... On a brand new copy. Your product deserves to be judged for that. Not turn a blind eye, because the story was good.
@@SakuraAvalon Only focusing on the flaws isn't good either. Yes it's important to let Game Freak know what we didn't like about Scarlet and Violet so they don't do it again, but it's also just as important to let them know what we did like about the games so they to keep doing these things. Being critical is not about scolding someone who did a thing badly so they feel bad, but rather is about helping someone to gain a different perspective on things so they can improve.
@@ShiitaKitsune64 It really doesn't matter. The games sold incredibly well in spite of being unfinished. There's no reason for GameFreak to improve at all.
@@SakuraAvalon Except that GameFreak seems to be improving their games a lot since the release of Sword and Shield? And they're taking much more time in making Legends ZA and haven't outsourced their main series games to make another lazy remake like BDSP? They're doing this despite the previous Switch Pokemon Games selling well? I'm not trying to say GameFreak is a completely flawless developer or anything, they have made many mistakes don't get me wrong, but they aren't some completely greedy and heartless corporation that many want to label them as. Also remember it's not just the Switch Pokemon games people ragged on, many people hated the Sun and Moon games, thought Gen 6 was unfinished, didn't like the story or being forced to play new Pokemon in Gen 5, and even Ruby and Sapphire got hate for not including all of the Pokemon at the time. No Pokemon game is perfect, and the whole GameFreak/Nintendo/Creatures/Pokemon Company fiasco seams like a nightmare for anyone involved to properly navigate I'm not surprised things get released to early before the game devs would ideally like.
i mean, i don't think scarlet and violet's story was 'the best out of any pokemon game', like, it was definitely better than alot of the others by a bit, but still just okay. i got the game pretty late though so most of the buggy stuff was patched out, but judging by other peoples reactions and playthroughs yeah, it was released full of bugs, and no matter how good the story is, a buggy game makes that story hard to understand and less realistic. btw, i like ur octoling pfp
After the original Ruby and Sapphire, I took a long break from the series up until HeartGold came around which was my last Pokémon game so far. I feel like I've had a good run with the franchise and I enjoyed the time I spent with each game but as of now, I have no desire to get back into Pokémon even if they finally start making games that look like they came out post GameCube era.
My first mainline pokemon game was Sword and was pretty disappointed. I didnt understand the hype and love for the series. Then i played Legends and i fell in love. Cant wait for the next Legends. 🎉
My rankings of Pokemon games: Let's Go Pikachu: I got bored of it the fastest out of any Pokemon game. Sword: The story isn't very good, and I got bored after catching Zacian. Brilliant Diamond: I quit sometime between the 6th and 7th gym, and I forgot why. Legends Arceus: Volo is too hard. For some reason I tried to do it with only Eeveelutions. Maybe I'll come back to it. Scarlet: Best in the series that I've played!
[LGP/LGE]: Yeah, they were kinda boring. [Sw/Sh]: I thought they were quite fun. And I loved the DLC. [BD/SP]: I quit after Candice. I just really hated those games. [LA]: I struggled with him as well. [S/V]: Yeah, they are candidates for my favourites as well.
I honestly agree. I loved the Wild Area and the DLC areas, and Dynamax Adventures were a million times better than Snacksworth. As for Dexit? I never saw much of an issue with that. It was inevitable, plus, I don't see the point in wasting almost all of my PC boxes for _one_ of each species in one game. I have HOME for that.
I definetly agree. Although I understand arguments for an average story, too much linearity and wild area not being great, Sword and Shield are still some of my favorite Pokemon games. There is so much charm, the difficulty is balanced if you have a full team often (I always do,) and the DLC is very well designed. I love the idea of making the gyms such a big event and the graphics fit what I think most future Pokemon games should base their style on.
Nah, forget Dexit. That's an easy scapegoat. Sword and Shield are unfinished games. They scream that these games are rushed out the door. The underwhelming visuals, outshined by many other Switch games(so don't try that excuse) The difficulty being way too low The fact that you're basically a bystander, rather than the main character in the story, cause they didn't have time The villain being super predictable, but not built up and only revealed at the last second The towns feeling like sets on a stage, rather than actual places The half assed open areas, which were a neat idea, if they had actually been fleshed out The final section being a game of hide and seek, and then battling in an elevator, cause they didn't have time to make a building for you to explore and battle The big cutscene being a drawing they zoom in on The villains motives being incredibly forced and stupid. Like, sure, he had a point. But it goes out the window when he cannot literally wait ONE DAY, and unleashes a Pokemon he can't control(DUMBASS) And the Elite Four being replaced with the Gym Leaders, because they didn't have time to design, model, and animate the Elite Four, so they had to reuse what they had And I'm giving them the benefit of it being a time issue and not lazyness/complacency.
HGSS were my introduction to the series when I was 10, and I couldn’t think of a better way to become a Pokémon fan! It really felt like I was on an adventure
I loved Let’s Go honestly lol. The catching mechanic was fun and the graphics were so nice. I know your starter is god powered but that’s how the games always are anyway if you level grind
Most of dp’s story falls flat to me,and the slowness just bogs everything down As much as I don’t like the sm cutscene I’d rather sit through them then play through Gen 4 again (plus moon was my first mainline game,so it’d be a nice bit of nastolgia)
This was interesting - would have left to see the cross data of ages of survey participants since we know how much nostalgia of childhood influences impacts our favorite pokemon picks
Super random place to ask this, but I've only ever played spin-off and puzzle Pokémon games, so I've wondered something for many years. What exactly are the differences between the two versions of each game? They're not like the Zelda Oracle games, which are totally different games with some shared mechanics and item-trading, are they? I also imagine they aren't the exact same games with only a different selection of 'Mons?
Then again I recall seeing that, at least for some of the early Pokémons, the two games' ROM data are 100% identical except for one (1) byte that denotes which version you play. But I've also never heard anyone say "Just get one, they're the same damn game".
@@HelpTheWretched the main differences between versions are some pokemon (like you can only catch Sandshrew in Blue and can only catch Ekans in Red) and usually the legendary pokemon the protagonist meets/gets a chance to catch.
Same story and general games. Mainly the available pokemon are different and some events and locations too, to encourage trading. Despite what people say, you really *are* supposed to only buy 1 and live with your choice. Black and White and their sequels stand out though since a few more things change and canonically are parallel timelines.
This is very true, when people actually went back and played the black and white fully they found so much to like about it, instead of just believing it all sucked because someone else said the pokemon designs were bad or something. Go figure, you have to actually play a game to understand all of the positives and negatives of the game.
I replayed Black for the first time since it came out earlier this year and really was surprised by how much i enjoyed it (aside from post game engless grinding...). Just started B2 for the first time and enjoying it so far. Also ill never trust people who shat all over Arceus it was such a fine game. Im glad to have a new spin off variety with similar mechanics to the main formula with skmething new and the fun of exploring and having it be encouraged to catch multiples of pokemon just for the fun of it. Smooth fun process
legends arceus does not deserve that spot imo i got bored of it so fast, it’s genuinely just empty fields with nothing to see or do besides catch Pokémon
I think all Pokémon games are great and I'm very simple to please. However I still do have favorites, those being Gen 3, Gen 6 and Gen 8. So seeing Sword and Shield so low kinda broke my heart lmao. Played most of the games but I only don't plan on playing RBY and GSC because FRLG and HGSS seems like such better options to experience their respective regions.
The opinion has shifted too far on Black and White. When it came out it was hated by everyone, was the worst selling, and many people dropped the franchise because of it. But now the pendulum has swung too far, and people act as if it is better than Gen 4 when it is nowhere near Platinum and even Diamon and Pearl.
I always personally thought the Black and White games were as good as Platinum, but it really is funny to see the difference on opinion for those games now. They used to be widely hated, and now they're widely beloved. I think part of that hate was because of the Pokemon Black and White anime
⭐Check out Part 1, my ranking of every Pokémon!⭐
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Talk about Tom Adachi collection the history of it Tomodachi collection for the Pokémon video you make my day when you make videos
already have, it was sooooooooooooo good!
@@coasterlover-r1k The good game I agree
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Where can we find the voting data of that video because not every pokemon was covered ❤
The gap between how much people like Platinum versus Diamond and Pearl fully solidifies in my mind that when people were asking for a Gen 4 remake, they really wanted a remake of Platinum, and the Pokémon Company misunderstood all the requests.
Having the Platinum Style just be the default winter outfit instead of being event-exclusive would have been better. And also, having all five of the BF facilities instead of just one. Why just add 1/5 of a Frontier?
Either that, or people simply are too biased by their nostalgia and don't notice all the mistakes Platinum committed.
Gamefreak didn't misinterpret anything. The recent leaks show they originally never intended to make a Sinnoh remake, and outsourced a very low effort, ugly, buggy, and "faithful" remake of DP at the last second incase people didn't like PLA.
I enjoyed Arceus, but it's very unlike the other mainline games and isn't really Sinnoh. I think it sucks DPPt will likely never have its own HGSS/ORAS-type remake with Pokemon from after Gen IV in the dex, Sinnoh's cities and landmarks will never be reimagined in full 3D, the gym leaders, stat trainers, and elite 4 will never have new outfits, the starters will never have Megas or other battle gimmicks, the Battle Frontier will never be brought back with modern QoL mechanics, the team galactic plotline will never be fleshed out, etc.
It feels Gen 4 fans were really given the short end of the stick
@@4er4844 *"and outsourced a very low effort, ugly, buggy, and "faithful" remake of DP"*
BD/SP is nothing of the sort. It is high effort, being buggy isn't a problem (just see OoT) and being faithful is a good thing because it avoids the mistakes of Platinum.
*"I think it sucks DPPt will likely never have its own HGSS/ORAS-type remake"*
And that's a good thing. OR/AS might have been good, but HG/SS is heavily overrated.
@@4er4844 *"Sinnoh's cities and landmarks will never be reimagined in full 3D, the gym leaders, stat trainers, and elite 4 will never have new outfits,"*
This is a nitpick at best.
*"the Battle Frontier will never be brought back with modern QoL mechanics,"*
Good, it was an annoying waste of space.
"Classics, like black and white"
words are like knives. I'm not that old.
unc
@@mathwhiz5563 what does this say, what is this wizardy
Your mom is even more unc, just in case
@@Winter_Fan_01 the wizardy is gen z slang, unc as in uncle. In other words, you're an old geezer XD
@@mathwhiz5563 yeah I know you missed my joke
hey, classic doesn't mean old. angry birds was considered a classic long before it hit the 3 year mark
One little thing I appreciate about this video is that you described the list as most popular vs least popular. Rather than saying best and worst because obviously its a matter of opinion and not objective fact even if most people agree.
True! All of the pokemon games have their own merits and issues, so there isn't any 'worst' or 'best' games
How good that that was the case, otherwise people would be treating their opinions as facts and we really *don't* need any more of that in this fanbase.
@Mystmon Absolutely, I love the pokemon franchise but the fanbase is just insufferable at times
The little discussion about what defined a mainline Pokémon Game reminded me of the discussion about what's a mainline Super Mario Game which is a complete nightmare to define
They truly are the Heart & Soul of the series. I feel that Heart Gold & Soul Silver are the point in which they perfected the 2d art style, taking the Pixel graphics to their best. Black & White would also use Pixel Art, but there were 3d tricks used in it that distort it a bit. These two games are where Pokemon Peaks for me.
Legends Arceaus is good, very good, and I hope it is the model they follow going forward. However, the nostalgia for Heard Gold and Soul Silver for me, keep it at the top of the list for now... and probably for a long time to come.
My fav games are RBY but I wouldnt argue with HG SS being the best games overall. I feel once they moved away from 2D art it no longer felt like Pokemon
Before watching I’m going to assume it’s one of the Pokémon games for the DS
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@@Nightcaat not quite...the least popular is a _remake_ of the Pokémon games for the DS
@@prayagsuthar9856 Ah, I forgot the title said least popular
I still maintain that SV would have been the best pokemon games ever released if they had been given an additional 6-12 months in the oven.
Your priorities are fucked up
Totally. The game was amazing and had so much more "fun stuff" in than most other games. Too bad about the lack of proper optimizing
Scarlet and Violet deserved a third version.
Ngl i still think they're the best, i guess i dont care about performance
It definitely seems like the GBA & DS games were the golden era of Pokemon games.
Pre Pokemon Go is the best era for Pokemon as a game.
Go ruined it for the mainline game, it expanded the franchise into merchandise business when new mainline game purpose is just to introduce new dex, not to make actual game.
Nah, it's just online Pokemon fans showing heavy bias towards the games they grew up with
@@cccg838 No, the 2d games are objectively better
@@shewolfcub3"objectively better" isn't a thing.
@@shewolfcub3i disagree very much i dont think id ever play diamond and pearl or ruby and sapphire over sun and moon or scarlet and violet.
What happened to average ratings??
That’s what I’m saying.
im the #1 sun and moon defender, yeah there's a lot of cutscenes but that's because the story was good!!!! >:(
Tell me about it its so good
You can't be the #1 Sun and Moon defender because that's me
If it needs that many cutscenes mb that means the story needed it otherwise itd be too boring xoxo. Gen 5 for example the story with the overall worldbuilding made the story so interesting that they barely needed cutscenes
It's hard to replay because of all the unskippable cutscenes though.. story is fine the first time around, but replayability is what makes a game last, I think.
@@rolef6084 there really isn't that much more in SM then there is in BW, the long tutorial throws people off (by the way I mean dialogue, because that's what people mean when they say cutscenes. SM doesn't actually have that many true cutscenes)
Scarlet and Violet were wonderful really ambitious games that needed to cook far more
X and Y were normal games they barely could put together
make Shigeki Morimoto the CEO
Everyone only likes Gen 3 because they are blinded by nostalgia, I have played both Ruby and Emerald and the story was genuinely so boring it felt like nothing happened until the last second but even the climax of the game being the fight between the Legendary Pokémon felt rushed. I don’t blame the game for being bad as it was rather old and revolutionary for the time but I believe that the only reason why people think it is good is because many RUclipsrs are around the age of 20-30 so they naturally feel nostalgic towards the game as it was their first game and the tell everyone that the games are perfection when they are really average games.
This needs to be stated because people have misconception. Red/Green are the original games and Blue came out later. For the international audience Red/Blue were made using Japanese Blue assets while using Japanese Red/Green Pokemon distributions. So Red/Green and Japanese Blue(International Red/Blue) are different games.
I don't really think this does need to be stated. It's a video talking about the English games, it doesn't really need to talk about Red and Green. If it did it would then need to differentiate between Red (Japanese) and Red (English), as separate games.
@@bradaloop This video pretends to talk about every single mainline Pokemon game when it is not.
@@spiderfanmaniac9783 ☝️🤓
@@bradaloop What is this NPC response
@@spiderfanmaniac9783 He's calling you a nerd lmao
But I really don't think the differences between the American Red and Blue, and Japanese Red and Green, are notable enough for each to be considered their own entries, ON TOP of Japanese Blue AND Yellow, especially for a ranked list that is primarily intended for a western (non-Japanese) audience. I don't believe Blue actually changed anything apart from graphics and some minor bugfixes (and pokemon spawn locations, ofc); the core game remained the same, so it doesn't really need its own entry either.
Yellow is the first Kanto game to significantly change the core game (by forcing starter Pikachu and giving access to all 3 starters), so that's the only other Kanto game that gets its own ranking. He's not wrong for lumping all versions of Red, Blue, and Green into one entry.
That "PIKACHU" and "PIKA" was a ear jumpscare💀
Maybe it's because they're the ones I grew up with and I revisit them regularly, but I'm really surprised that RBY are so low on the list, especially when more recent games have been so controversial with their changes to the formula. Nostalgia really is a powerful influence!
Not surprised at all with the top few though - all well deserved placements.
I think the reason RBY is so low just comes down to FRLG being close to 1:1 remakes with better graphics and Gen 3 mechanics giving little reason to go back to Gen 1.
As someone who grew up with Gold and Crystal, I cannot understand how people focus that much on the remake. For me Crystal still holds up and make the remake kind of unecessary . But I guess I'm old now.
Both RBY and GSC are great games, but they are lacking so many quality of life changes that were improved by future games (especially by their respective remakes). Having access to more Pokemon, more features, and more mechanics is generally a good thing, and makes basically every future game stand above the originals.
Personally, I don't think I could ever go back to them anymore. I replayed them once on vc, and had a good time (mainly making use of exploits, like skipping past the trainer who blocks Pewter City exit, using Trainer-Fly glitch to delete a Snorlax from the map, and using the pokedoll against ghost Marowak, to skip around the region and fight gyms in basically any order I chose)
Then after having a taste of a vanilla plus romhack (which added running shoes, quick use of HM's on the overworld, fixed battle mechanics, and improved movesets), I could just never play through the base game again; it's simply too slow and archaic feeling.
@@Mysda_ If you grow up with it you may not see the big flaws the game has. The biggest of all - relying too much on Kanto. Of all the gen 2 Pokemon, the vast majority of them either suck or is available at the end of the game. Barely any Johto Pokemon in usable. The gym leaders themselves have Kanto Pokemon with no reason at all. Also, the level curve is completely trash, with trainers in Kanto, so after you beat the league, having level 30~ Pokemon, making exploring Kanto more boring than exciting, also because you have already seen all Kanto Pokemon in Johto. There are other flaws like the lack of proper dungeons and a weak story, but there are the biggest ones.
HGSS do a great job of making most of Johto Pokemon usable and adding a ton of content - from the Pokehatlon to the Voltorb flip minigame - from the Safari Zone to the Battle Frontier
@Marowak31 But they didn't fix the level curve nor the pokemon available right? To me it felt like the same game in 4G, so I never finished it completely.
B2W2 will forever be #1 in my heart. Best two Christmas presents I've ever had were Black 2 in 2012, when I was 8 - my first ever pokémon game (explains why I love the game so much) and Soul Silver last year age 19 (partially because it is great and partially because getting HGSS in *2023* is remarkable)
I knew I wasn't going insane. You made a Pokémon video while Lockstin made a Mario video. Just a funny coincidence, right?
Good list of popularity of the games. 👌
However, in terms of objectively being the “best” Pokémon game and experience, Pokémon Platinum is as the best from an objective game designer’s perspective.
Based on these ranking I'm convinced many people voting do not actually play these games all that much and probably haven't played an unmodified version in years. I love HG/SS, but playing it at single speed in 2024 feels really slow. Meanwhile S/V has performance issues, but is one of the most fun RPG experiences on Switch and has moves the series forward in a huge way.
I think the biggest issues with Gen 2 were it's level curve and main plot. While HGSS did improve upon Gen 2 in many aspects, these two fundamental issues did not see any improvements, which is why it's not a perfect remake imo.
Agreed, I think BDSP, SWSH and SV all got affected by this to some degree. Let's Go as well, to a lesser degree. Ruby/Sapphire in particular seem to have gotten the opposite, they're higher than I would have expected.
Two of my favourite creators in one place, now I can die in peace
@toddbod94 Meh, it's not *as* open world as it could be, I just 100% it for over 100hrs and I play Pokemon *a ton*, I really liked it!
SV should not be as low as it is, but I don't think it would even come close to HGSS if it were rated properly. Especially on a Switch Lite or Handheld mode, the game chugs at absolutely every moment.
I think scarlet and violet was ranked a bit low, definitely no more then 10th but I think it did enough to go farther
I agree with BDSP, it was a downgrade from ORAS. It took me too long to complete because I had to take breaks due to boredom, like how Kirby Star Allies took me months to complete because of how bored I got playing iy
I agree that it wasn't better than OR/AS, but it was easily the second best remake. It knew what needed to be fixed and what didn't need to be fixed.
@@toumabyakuyayet kept the limited dex
@@pokedude720 They didn't. There are way more Pokemon underground.
If anything, it's not enough to significantly increase the possible combinations of your team members.
The good ones in the underground are like, Togepi, Houndoom, Magnemite...
Let's be honest, those are quality options, and I think we can appreciate quality over quantity...?
Especially since Houndoom is busted for anyone that didn't choose Chimchar, and Magnemite is the only electric dual type obtainable before the nat dex...
Gold and Silver above Gen 1, 7, 8 and 9!?
You have to replay Gen 2, ITS WAY WEAKER than you remember. HG/SS was just an incredible glow up
I think people ranked it higher since they are viewing it for what it did for pokemon. Compared to other generations though, yeah it kinda sucks.
5:03 - Oh, hey, that's mine! :D
(Or maybe someone-else also said that, I can't rule it out.)
10:08 - I *think* "best version of Kanto" could also be mine, but I can't really tell since it's obviously a very popular opinion, LOL.
9:21 I'm not sure if the "jump" and "see" were intentional to go along with the visuals or not, but either way, it worked out well.
SHOCKED that PLA wasn't top 2. Thought it was going to be close between it and hgss, didn't expect emerald to separate them!
This is an amazing video, the concept, the editing, the voice acting, the music. Simply wondefull
Gen 7 is the Pokemon gen with the most Pokemon, latest gen with ALL the Pokemon before national removal with mega and z moves.
Can you do a video with the spin-offs next. I know that they're not as popular, but I would rank the Mystery Dungeon and Ranger Games above most of the main line ones
Pokemon Conquest is really awesome too (although not as deep in story as Super Mystery Dungeon)
edit: I’ve only played 2 Mystery Dungeon games btw :(
also Pokemon Duel deserved better lol
Thomas I love your videos but you need to acknowledge that 3000 people is an extremely small sample amount and that honestly, because of the style of your videos, your viewers (and therefore survey-completers) are most likely to be really young millennials or Gen Zers. That has a MAJOR impact on the results you receive. 3000 is such a small number of a very specific generation too.
True that. To get reliable readings for most of the fan base we'd need a much, MUCH larger sample size (though it would be tricky to get so many to do a survey like this, unless it is kind of like Pokemon of the Year and the pokemon company itself releases the survey)
yeah less Gen Z idiots, more Millennial smarts
Does his content skew towards Gen Z? I find that rather hard to believe, as a millennial who lives with a Gen Z. This is absolutely not the kind of video he would watch; a well-paced, calm and thoughtful discussion on classic video games.
Gen Z content would be far more heavily edited, with quick cuts and punchy sound effects, and a far more energetic yet biased narrator.
@@mrmen9874This remark was egocentric at best.
@@Mystmon Yeah, I can't stand these wild 'generation wars'. There's idiots in every generation and there's smart people in every generation. Besides... I'm pretty sure Thomas is a Gen Zer, and we're all here, aren't we?
I’m 90 percent sure I described gen 1 as being held together by duct tape and prayers which feels right considering the amount of legendary bugs gen 1 has from missingno to ACE. It did its job to build the franchise but absolutely is dated to go back to
[5:06] Thanks for including my response!
that was six words!!!!
@@requiem165I put '+' instead of 'and', just to get it in the five-word limit.
As for BD/SP, I put, _'Too disappointing for 5 words'._
2 mins ago I was just watching how neo bowser city was made from other circuits songs
13 reasons why BDSP are the WORST remakes of all time:
1. Faithfulness: Unlike other remakes, BDSP literally copy/pastes 90% of diamond/pearl(2006). You cannot copy almost everything from a 2006 game.. (Remember its a remake not a remaster!). Almost everything is copied: All dialogs, the storyline, the chibi art style, the national dex, old pokemon encounters and even the Poketch were copy & pasted to this game. Pokemon games have been improved in the past years and had many quality of life changes like 3D art style, overworld Pokemon encounters and reusable TMs. None of these changes were adapted to the game which is just sad. This game is too faithful and faithful sounds more like a excuse for lazyness.
2. Not-Platinum-Based: So they copy & pasted 90% from the old Sinnoh game but not based on Platinum? Diamond & Pearl had several weaknesses and Platinum fixed many of them and included many Quality of Life changes. Here are some Platinum improvements over Diamond/Pearl: It extends the storyline with additional content, new dialogs, new characters like Charon and a new map Distortion world (loved it). The rival was a bit too weak in Diamond/Pearl which was fixed in Plat. The Poketch has a reverse Button. It has the battle frontier. And finally: the Sinnoh dex which was baaad in Dia/Pearl was fixed. The bad sinnoh dex in dia/pearl has only very few Fire Pokemon (very weird). Gym leaders were forced to use weird mons in the main game like Electric gym leader using Octillery or IceType gym leader using Medicham (WTF? Despite Sinnoh having enough Ice/Electric mons) and also many sinnoh mons were restricted to the postgame. Thats means many of the favourite sinnoh mons cannot be used in your team for the main story. But Platinum fixed this issue and created a NEW sinnoh dex which fixed all these issues which made the main story like a sinnoh game. ALL of these great changes of Platinum where NOT included in BDSP. This means BDSP uses the OLD sinnoh dex, OLD dialogs, OLD storyline, NO new character like Charon, NO distortion world and NO battle frontier. That makes BDSP a worse Sinnoh remake than Platinum which was released in 2008. (Imagine a 2008 DS game of the same Region beats you in ALL aspects. WTF)
3. EXP-Share & Friendship-System: One of the most hated features is the EXP-Share system which often leads to WAY more exp than in the past games. In my opinion, the EXP-Share is not too bad. BUT diamond/pearl were not designed to be played with the new EXP-Share system. So if you include an EXP-Share system, you have to increase all levels of the pokemon (from opponent). But they didnt which makes the difficulty of this game too easy.Basically, my whole team was too oveleveled. And the friendship-system is the worst luck-based system i ever saw. A feature that increases the Critical hit-chance,removes paralysis, lets me dodge 100% accurate moves and even lets me survive moves with 1HP. WTF did you smoke gamefreak? And the worst is that, you cannot make any of these optional. Because of that many players who love to do a nuzzlock in Sinnoh, prefer the old DS games.
4. No Innovation: This game not only copy & pastes the majority of its content, it adds nothing new to the game. Lets review some good remakes: HeartGold/SoulSilver (HG/SS) were Gen 2 remakes and included some storyline from Crystal and added many new stuff like the pokeathlon, battle frontier (from sinnoh), gen 1 map/storyline, a complete national dex and the pokewalker. HG/SS were not copy & pasted, but actually remade the game and added good new stuff. Also Alpha ruby&omega saphire (ORAS) have new changes like new art-style , new designs for Team magma/aqua, new Mega-forms, new Primal forms, changes to dialogs and storyline and the complete national dex. BDSP on the other hand does not provide any kind of major change in the game which makes this game really boring. It does have a new Underground which has overworld pokemon, but that is nothing special for 2022 and the ramanas park was neat but nothing too exciting.
5. Underground/Super-Contest: The old underground allowed to create your own living room with furnitures and set traps to troll friends online. Both were removed for a statue system which is really boring. Collecting statues and the effects of the statues are really disapointing. The Super-Contest used to be a fun-mode where you had many different options and varities and had to have good reflexes to do
the correct moves at the correct time. Now all you have to do is Press A at the correct time and use 1 attack. That makes this mode so boring and disapointing. I mean, was it really that hard to let the player press like 4 different buttons instead of just 'A'??
6. Art-Style: Many of us expected a modern review of Sinnoh in a 3D human like Art-style. But they decided to go for the Chibi-Art-Style. Everyone has different tastes but in my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style ruins many serious moments of the story line of this game, especially vs team galactic. It feels like all the emotions of the characters were removed. The reason why it was used in Diamond/Pearl was because of the limited hardware. In my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style waas the wrong decision and does not suit a switch game at all.
7. Only Gen 4: BDSP has a national dex which includes the pokemon from Gen 1-4 which is basically the same as Diamond/Pearl. As a player who would have loved to see at least some Pokemon from Gen 5-8 in Sinnoh, i am very disappointed. At least some Pokemon post Gen4, or some new forms or at least add Sylveon in this game. Not even mega-forms were included in this game. The fact that 95% of the megas are from Gen1-4 and the underground being the perfect place to grind the mega-stones, makes this decision even more disapointing. The reason why diamond/pearl was limited to Gen 1-4 was because there werent any other new pokemon. The reason why BDSP limited the game to Gen 1-4 is because of lazyness..
8. PVP: On of the worst things in this game is everything arround PVP. The worst disrespect a main series pokemon game can get, is when GameFreak calls that all the competitive tournaments including the world championship will not take place in BDSP (WTF?). Unlike Sword/Shield, you have no option to search for PVP matches which makes it way harder to find battles. But the worst thing is the grind for a PvP team: TMs are not reusable (WHY?!). For some important TMs like Earthquake, you have to grind for 80BP (WTF. Thats a lot of Grind). Also you cannot catch pokemon with hidden abilities except those from poke radar. To get the hidden ability you have to grind for the ability patch for 200BP (WTF. Grind competitive to create a competitive. Nice system). By putting important PVP items behind such ridiculously high grind walls, it makes creating a PVP team disgusting.
9. Events: The events were also copy & pasted from Diamond/Pearl. Same Shaymin event, same Darkrai event. And other events are only accesible if you bought other main series pokemon game (Why..). And finally some garbage "events" which include some useless statues. Meanwhile, the 3 year old SW/SH getting better and innovative events like new PVP cups/tournaments and some legendary shinies. In my opinion the events in BDSP are disapointing.
10. Bugs/Glitches: Holy Moly! This game had so many bugs and glitches! You dont even need hacks, when the game itself has to many glitches. Many of them where completely broken. Many Pokemon clone glitches and item dupe glitches ruined the game. You could even get infinity money, create your own shinies (WTF), make your pokemon 6IV and let any Pokemon learn any move. I used to be in a discord for trading in BDSP and because of the glitches, the trade market was only about getting shiny 6IVs etc. Not to forget to mention the soft locks which made you restart the whole game which can happen for example in the ice gym. Usually every games has a few bugs. But this one had too many and too many game breaking glitches. A very hyped game like this shouldnt be developed by a 3rd party company.. But Gamefreak had other plans..
11. Controls: The controls of this game feel weird and uncomfortable. Characters move in a grid which looks so weird during the storyline. The pokemon who follow me often block me in a bad way. The underground has many inivisible walls which makes moving in some rooms horrible. And finally the control with the cycle are the worst. The cycle in pokemon games are a beloved feature but in this game.. It feels so uncomfortable moving with the cycle, I sometimes even prefer walking.
12. Standards: A 2021 game should adapt the standards from the latest games (Sword 2019). The BDSP-standard isnt nearly as good as Sword/Shield. Many items, many attack moves, renewable TMs, dynamax, new pokemon, old moves without heart scales, more customization,max Raids or ranked battle stadium. None of the mentioned were adapted into this game -> BIG Downgrade for 2021 pokemon standards!
13. Price: Dia/pearl/Platinum: 40$ and Copy/Paste BDSP with Bugs:60$ -> Bruh..
Conclusion: It feels like GameFreak didnt want to do a Sinnoh remake but wanted to milk some money by releasing the highly demanded Sinnoh remake. The fact that, they hired a 3rd party company who never developed a major game, only supports this theory. Not forget to mention that, BDSP had a giant day one patch which was essential to enjoy the game. The fact that they released Legends Arceus almost 1-2 months after BDSP release also supports the theory, that they didnt care at all for this remake. Because of the release of Legends Arceus, the hiring of ILCA, the amount of glitches, the boring events, the exclusion of VGC, the 0 Innovation in this game and the fact that the majority of the game is copy & paste of a 2006 game (Dia/Pearl) which is worse than a 2008 Game (Platinum), makes this game the worst remake of all time in my opinion.
3:45 aww, I actually like these. I’d play a let’s go Johto in a heartbeat.
The only Pokemon game with couch co-op.
Not a very good coop mode, unfortunately, but I agree; these games should be ranked much higher imo
Let's Go Johto!
Personally, I don't understand all the praise regarding Pokémon Legends Arceus. While far from bad, it is for me just a good base for future installments in the same style and not the 3rd best like in this video. It had so many problems right and left that diminished my enjoyment of it. The majority of them could be ironed with the next one but as it stands, it's like a 7.75/10 for me and not more.
It felt fresh. That goes along way for people, playing the umpteenth installment of a series.
It's a "step in the right direction." Which doesn't have to mean it's necessarily a perfect game. I hear a lot of people say they didn't even finish it in spite of liking it, and I'm the same.
I love many things about PLA, but one of my most favorite things about the game is how fast and snappy it is, I don't feel like battling and catching pokemon drags on and on so unnecessarily like in so many other games. My next favorite thing about PLA was all the little fun bits of world building and exploration it has, it feels like one of the "fullest" pokemon games because of this. For example, there were so many little side quests that helped the villagers of Jubilife gain more understanding,respect, and friendship with the pokemon they previously were so afraid of, which tied so well to the main stories and characters and their struggles with connecting positively with the pokemon world
It's funny though, I think your critical rating of 7.75 is too high of this game, I think 6.5 is even a bit generous giving all of the issues the game has, but I seemed to have more fun with the game overall than you did. Sometimes the personal "fun factor" matters much more than we think lol.
PLA added immersion by removing the tediousness of turn-based catching. Sure, it is an ugly tech-demo. But it gave enough freedom for the player to explore. The mechanic were good enough to make it somehow addictive, with Pokémon populate the world (with logical spawn) and have some behavior than just being there wandering aimlessly.
It felt good after Pokémon USUM (many felt as DLC not justifying a full-price game, expecting a B2W2), LGPE (a good looking but dumbed Pokémon game, oddly I like it "better" than FRLG), SwSh (a linearity that the Wild Areas didn't compensate for, a scenario being confusing and frustrating as if the game had no vision) and lately, the disaster BDSP.
PLA felt like different. It wasn't a cashgrab, had some difficulty, vision and a soul, the opposite of the 4 previous games. Sure, PLA is a glorfied tech demo but... it was the breath of fresh air. It felt like the first "good" Pokémon on the Switch, therefore being the "best" on that console.
For me, It was fun having the original tag line "gotta catch em all" actually be relevant again since that's what you need to do to get Arceus. So mich so that on my 1st playthrough I did a "Professor Laventon" challenge where you get all the pokemon you can before beating the nobles.
Also, just exploring the world with the Wild Pokemon actually feeling dangerous, and the cohesiveness of catching w/o stopping, or the new styles in battle with their trade offs of power vs speed.
HG/SS and OR/AS were absolutely goated remakes that I have nothing but good to say about, especially OR/AS which is my personal #1.
Honestly surprised Crystal outdid Gold/Silver, but kinda makes sense with the first female protagonist though.
B/W and B2/W2 are extremely underrated and I actually picked these up on a whim some years ago, but several after their actual release. Extremely unexpected but pleasant surprises with those.
The rest after OR/AS, I really can't give an opinion on since that was my last one I actually played. I never actually played D/P, even the originals and I nearly went and got the remake, but didn't end up following through and I seem to have dodged a bullet on that one lol.
It's hard to see if you just look at them at a glance, but going to vanilla Gold/Silver after Crystal really really shows just how way much more did Crystal did. People who say it didn't do much different are wrong.
Gold and Silver are actually way more primitive than people remember-- the phone system is very bare-bones, it's Crystal what gives each character a personality! A lot is polish, but it goes a really, really long way.
this thumbnail is the one time I've seen a blurred image next to Pikachu's face and not my pants down
How about which shinies have the best color? Say a survey like the pokemon rankings one, but it shows the normal and shiny versions and the surveyor rates how good the shiny is on a 1-10 scale
I feel like I'm the only Pokemon fan who LOVES Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl. While Platinum is still the definitive Gen 4 experience, BDSP still fixed a lot of the OG DP's problems, better QoL, having more Pokemon accessible thanks to the Grand Underground, and I'll be real it actually looks gorgeous (though keeping the chibis for cutscenes is a low point). I grew up with Diamond and Pearl, and playing BDSP reminded me a lot of the good old days--isn't that what a game is all about? If you get enjoyment out of it, you end up liking it--that's exactly what BDSP did to me, and I'll love these remakes, carve that on my tombstone if you must.
It's also alot faster too. No slow battles or experience, no carrying an slave Pokemon to do all the HM stuff, no pace breaker, it's all smooth & quick.
Brilliant diamond is awesome. Tbh most people hating on it didn't even play it. They got mad at the chibi style and that it wasn't platinum.
It's better than the originals, I'll give it that. But I really wanted it to be more like HGSS and ORAS, adding more content and at least a few more Pokemon. I didn't want all 800 or however many Pokemon at the time, I just wanted Sylveon and the regional forms plus the evos for those like Obstagoon. It was alright to play, I just wish it was more.
And that's not having unreasonably high expectations or anything, just add the regionals and Sylveon then fix the trainer teams up. .... Leafeon and Glaceon being still unavailable until postgame in their home region also nags me. Chibis didn't bother me, it was just a disappointment IMO compared to ORAS and HGSS when Pearl was my first game and I wanted it to have the same treatment.
@ That i can agree with, i did wish they implemented a lot of the current gen stuff, especially Legends Arceus Pokémon.
0:00 - ^dancing “Zekrom” intensifies^
Generally agree. I would put scarlet & violet & the sun & moon games above gen 2.
I'd also put legends a lot lower. Its not bad, i just find it boring.
I'd probably also adjust HGSS a little down and Platinum maybe a spot up.
I'd probably say BW2 is the best games even though i say Platinum is my favourite
I think sun&moon are alright games but really feels like a step down from oras and start to show the cracks on game freak with clearly cut features, too much focus on a superficial story and the dreaded cutscenes makes them one of the hardest games to replay. So its easy to understand how they can be consistently underrated (what isnt saying they are amazing games btw).
Plus at that point it was clear pokemon was lagging behind on their consoles. While its hard to argue that emerald isnt at least in the top 5 gba games (and i think its a strong case for it being the best gba game) i can think of 5 better 3ds games from the top of my head than any pokemon game on the console (even if oras feels like a great one and scrapes close to the list).
I also find Legends way too boring. It looks amazing when you compare it with bdsp, but the end result isnt flattering even if you pitch it against 10 year older open world games such as witcher 3 or skyrim, or if you want to keep on the switch its laughable to compare it with botw. If you want to see it as a monster hunter variant it still feels worse than the 3ds era mh games. Heck even Ni no Kuni 1 does what it appears legends wants to do better.
I LOVE POKÉMON LEGENDS ARCEUS!!! I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT! Technically as terrible as Scarlet and Violet, but there is a difference. It has style, it has vibrant colors, a cartoonish cel-sgading that imitates the style of Ken Sugimori (hundreds of times better than realistic textures). The scenarios are different and with an excellent level design since the game is structured in a progressive way in making you unlock the various movement abilities. In SV you could very well take the climbing first and literally break the game. Such a good game
*SPOILER FOR GENERATION 10!!!*
Let's hope that the islands of Gaia are structured in the same way as Legend Arceus. ZA will definitely be divided into five areas for each square of Lumious City. Maybe dividing the maps in a progressive way is the best way to bring Pokémon to 3D
Meanwhile they allowed me to dictate how fast I see the story I am fine. That was the biggest mistake that made me dislike Legends: I was forced to interact with a mechanic I cared little for.
@toumabyakuya I mean Legends was specifically created for the older audience that is looking for Pokémon lore, so it's not really the game's fault to have a lot of story
@@Giokai That wasn't the problem I was talking about, I actually love that. The problem was that the rank system would usually lock me from progressing into the story till I obtained one or two new ranks and am sorry, but the Pokedex missions are boring and repetitive. GF didn't create them based on the Pokemon that would have them, instead they created around 15 or so kinds of missions and then gave every single Pokemon a set of those 15 missions, meaning that it quickly becomes boring when I am forced to catch X number of a Pokemon or to win Y number of battles with an specific Pokemon.
@toumabyakuya I understand that part can be a pain. When I played it, at the end of the first area I was already rank 6-7, which allowed me to do any other area of the game without problems. It never bored me since when I played it I was aware that increasing the rank of the Pokémon increased their chances of being shiny. But not everyone cares about having Pokémon of a different color
One thing I think everyone can agree on are the OSTs. Really immaculate. In LPA for the first time in the series there are OSTs lasting 3 and 4 minutes, some even 6 minutes like the Jubilife village, therefore not repetitive and beautiful to listen to (also because as we were talking about, in each area you spend a lot of time). Also the fact that almost all the soundtrack evolve as you progress through the story
ohhh i wish id seen this survey before the video!!! ive been so busy with work i havent been able to keep up much with looking at channels i like :( but this is so neat! love the fun stuff you do like this
Nice vid 😁
11:29 Hey, I said that! Happy to take part in the survey, Thomas!
I'm glad that SV still ranked higher than SwSh, though I think they would be ranked even higher if people could overlook the framerate issues. For those who care more about the gameplay, SV is one of the best, imo.
Keep this coming, you could do with other games, i love this kind of content, specially from you!
Gen 2 stays winning baybeeeeee
Uh, the remakes are starting to age, so maybe do a Gen 5 remake and Gen 2 second remake, basing them on HG and SS.
Pokemon lets go was wonderful when i played it with my son. He didnt get bogged down with constant wild encounters, i helped him fight gyms using the 2 v 1 mechanic since he would usually be under leveled from skipping so many trainer fights
2:04 How is Emerald "very different" but Crystal is "very similar"?? This is a joke right?
Heart Gold and Soul Silver came out during my first year in college. My lasting memory of that game was me and a bunch of the nerd crowd folks getting steps in on the Pokéwalker by just shaking it up and down without actually walking. Good times!
5:46 THATS MY PIKÆCĦYÜ
I RECOGNISE MY PĪKÆCHYÜ ANYWHERE!
Let's Go is underrated. The graphics are so clear and crisp, the Pokemon on the field are expressive and scaled perfectly so they're not too small and not too big, and the following/riding system is pretty much perfect. I appreciate the painterly effect newer Pokemon games go for, but to me Let's Go still has the best look in terms of simplicity and effectiveness.
Scarlet and Violet deserve higher imo. Unlike Sword and Shield which baited everyone with an open world just for it to be one little area, Scarlet and Violet actually was open world. Plus the Legends Arceus mechanics actually carried over into SV.
Buggy, laggy, with terrible balance and a phenomenally ugly Pokedex. PLA is a much better open world Pokemon game and I hope Gen 10/PLZ-A plays more like PLA than SV.
I mean, PLA had far better mechanics overall, and SwSh shouldn't be discredited for not being open world. I just replayed Shield and I had a great time, and I'm working on the dex.
My first game was HeartGold and SoulSilver, so seeing that even with the weird level curve they got first makes me so happy!
Only differences in emerald to R/S are
Wallace is beat steven and became the champion.
Cutscene that shows the giants fighting and rayquaza coming to stop them.
End game battle frontier.
Thats all. In the story theres literally no reason to get emerald over R/S, unless you want to beat the battle frontier.
Oh and like 3 more double battles.
Otherwise its the exact same as R/S
Isn't the Emerald Magma Hideout an addition to the game though? In both Ruby and Sapphire, the evil team's hideout is off the coast of Lilycove, which is changed in Emerald to being specifically the Team Aqua hideout, while the Magma hideout is placed in the Jagged Pass. You also get to see the two teams interact at least one or two more times, apart from the Meteor Falls and Mt Chimney events. I think you see them both on Mt Pyre, getting the two colored orbs, and then once more in the sea, after they summon the beasts?
Either way, the main story makes more sense, with both evil teams fighting against each other and accomplishing their evil goals, as opposed to one of them being basically labelled as the "good guy" in Ruby and Sapphire. Though having Wallace as E4 champ is a steep downgrade from Steven, thematically speaking
Also Emerald has the dupe glitch in the Battle Frontier, so that's an instant win for me
I'm surprised people consider Emerald to be more different to R/S than Crystal to G/S, I always considered them the other way around.
I find it funny that one of the reasons to dislike SwSh is the dexit, while Ruby and Sapphire also had a cut dex. Yet, people love gen 3.
Anyway, my faves are all gen 5 games and HGSS, and I’ve been playing every game on release since 1999 (when Red and Blue came to my country).
Ruby/Sapphire did have initial backlash for cutting off connection to the first two generations. What makes R/S different, however, is that all the previous generation Pokemon were still coded into the game and fully usable if you could get one. Sw/Sh, on the other hand, literally cut Pokemon out of existence. Not helping was the claim that it was done to have time to make improved animations when most of them were lifted directly from X/Y
"Pretty visuals" and "Legends Arceus" really do not go together. I admit the changes are good and I had fun with it but did you see the "swamp"? The story was boring (except for the final boss, I LOVE it), the gameplay extremely repetitive, the visuals atrocious and the game buggy as hell. It definitely does not deserve 3rd place. I am excited about ZA Legends tho, I hope Pokemon Company learns from their mistakes (copium).
I think it gets third place by virtue of being a completely different kind of game, compared to the rest in the series. I really enjoyed the wild area capture gameplay, though for anyone that wants more strategic turn-based battles or a deep story with well-written characters... well, Pokemon is probably not the series for you in general, because they've had more misses than hits in that regard.
Personally, I enjoyed enough of the characters in PLA, and the capture gameplay to agree with the ranking. It's just *different*, and that's probably what most players want more than anything else. (also most casuals care more about gameplay than they do about graphics or framerate, as can be seen with the sales of SV)
It’s a fuckin switch game it’s a good as it gets
You do such great work on your videos and relaying the information in your surveys! Keep up the great work. I always get excited when I *think* you use my response hahah. Well done!
Surprised scarlet/violet didn't score lower on the list. The graphics weren't great, they were AGGRESSIVE in resource management and anything more than 5ft away animates at like 1 frame per second. The biggest sin was that they made gigantic areas like the schools, and the cities, but the cities had the same sandwich shop copy pasted a dozen times with zero useful difference. Sure it felt "big" but it didn't mean anything cause you realize just how copy pasted everything is.
My favorite Pokémon game is Pokémon Sword 🗡️
Honestly LOVED the ranking, very close to my own! Some other thoughts:
- Glad to see BDSP at the very bottom
- Wholeheartedly agree with Sword and Shield's position, it's leaps worse than Scarlet and Violet
- Hard disagree with Legends Arceus, something like #6 would've been a perfect position for it
HG & SS are probably the best Pokémon experience you can get. Plus, the Pokéwalker is dope
I'm probably gonna get alot of hate for this. But for me, Black 2 & White 2 are the best Pokemon games I've ever played and I have played almost every Pokemon game except for Gen. 8 & 9. For me, there the most polished & fun Pokemon games I've ever experienced. No other Pokemon games comes close of being this perfection to me as Black 2 & White 2 has.
Why would you get a lot of hate ? Considering their rankings, saying Black 2 and White 2 are great games isn't really controversial.
@misterpokemario6821 I know. But whenever people talk about the best Pokemon games, it's mostly Emerald, Platinum or Heartgold & Soulsilver I've kept hearing about. While I'm not saying that there wrong, these are the games that most people would talk about more. But never have I heard anyone mentioned Black & White or Black 2 & White 2; which IMO are so much better than them.
No, your opinion probably aligns with tons of people in the world. I haven't played B2W2, but from just the amount of content and small details that people are constantly finding out and describing about, I can already tell it's one if not the best Pokemon game ever made.
I think you would've gotten a lot of hate a decade ago, but not in 2024. Gen V games are (deservedly) beloved by the community now.
@@lerdog And thank goodness too, might teach Gamefreak to make good games again!
Pokémon black / Pokémon black 2 / and Pokémon ultra sun and moon/ legends arceus , best Pokémon games ❤
I already knew the first main line non remake game was gonna be Sword & Shield
People disliked it more because of the environment around it than the game itself. It really seems that the time of its release is the problem, not entirely it on itself. Expectations were also a big problem for the game, as many people thought it would be a mind blowing upgrade from the 3DS games, even though it was not that much. In general though, I believe its a very underrated pair
Can't answer for everyone, but I disliked the game itself. With the addition of the DLCs the game is good (love Crown Tundra in particular), but SwSh base games are the most barebones Pokémon experiences ever. They did the absolute bare minimum with the region, the story and the mechanics.
Ignoring the graphical quality, they still aren't exactly great, by Pokemon standards. The routes are very linear, with no caves or branching paths, barely any secrets or explorability, and the entire storyline and game feels just as linear, with npc's stopping you before every single route you enter. The story just seems to *happen* around the player, not having any meaningful impact for the most part; by the time the player arrives, the action is already over. The worst part is probably the elevator section near the end of the game, where you are literally just fighting grunt after grunt while waiting to reach the top. Then it just kinda ends shortly afterwards, without really much of a buildup or payoff. The friendly rival also feels way too similar to Hau from the previous game.
There are some good things about the game, like Marnie and Bede being great characters, interesting new pokemon and abilities, postgame storyline was great, and the dlc areas were fun to explore, but the main meat of the game was just.. not great, imo.
Naw dude-- they're not worse than XY storywise, but they dropped the ball in nearly every design aspect of that game top to bottom even before considering its dull attempt at the wild area.
The DLC was something of an improvement, but not enough apparently because I couldn't even finish it. :'3
But I will say gen 8 and 9 get a little too much heat from the fans over things that are largely out of game freak's control.
@@kryzethx BEDE MENTIONED, BIG W
@@toothycookie yeah the fans shouldn't complain and just slurp up the slop, that will get Nintendo to give GF more time and resources
I completely agree with the voters here. The blind nostalgia for D&P in other corners of the internet is laughable. B&W being the highest rated first games of a generation makes a lot of sense. And I love that all my Gen 3 games rank in the top half 😍
I agree most besides yellow it has a special feeling that red and green don’t capture. I guess it’s age dependent
3,045, that's a very small response rate for a global survey, especially for the size of your audience. Literally less than 1% of your subscribers.
Thanks!I was thinking of playing pokemon but didn’t know what to get,but thanks to your video I now know what to play!
LET'S GO WE WON
SV AT 15
XY AT 14
ORAS AT 7?? 8?? me forgor
Also, "they made the story worse" -- that was me, and I'll stand by it. >:( #87 USM hater
never forgive what usum did to lusamine man
@mikubrot NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET
Black and white and its sequels, at the time, were the first to have an actual story. The previous titles only really had loosely connected events, Outside getting gym badges and filling out the Pokédex
OG DIAMOND AND PEARL IS SO LOW ITS OVERRRRRRR (/joking i just really love pearl)
Also introduced my favorite Pokemon, Manaphy. And perfected the battle system in my opinion by introducing the physical/special split.
Did you collect the responders ages? Id be really curious on the overlap between age and "best" pokemon.
why do people always complain about the level curve in HGSS? am i the only one who thinks it's fine?
Yes
@@armaan6101 Level curve doesnt ruin an entire goated game
ik Thomas Game Docs made a video on this topic, i don’t know where exactly to find the vid tho
7:45 really….surprised Gen 7 beat out Gen 6.
Please do one of these with the spinoff series games, I need to gush about PMD Explorers of Sky 🥺
Sky > this entire list
I hate how he says at the start “Scarlet and Violet were released full of bugs” and then he says “On the other hand, classics like Black and White impress with their involved storyline.” It sucks because Scarlet and Violet have the best story out of any Pokémon game I’ve ever played and I’ve played them all and all anyone will do is hate on it for the bugs.. and this sucks for game freak too as the Pokémon company didn’t give them the time they needed to develop this game and their rushed game design which wasn’t even their fault overshadows the impeccable story and fun gameplay presented in the games. Good thing the Pokémon Company have at least somewhat learned and have given Game Freak a year extension for Pokémon Legends: Z-A.
Too bad. You release a faulty product, and you get criticized for it.
I don't care if your story is amazing, if the pages in the book are torn, falling out of their bindings, and the cover is rotten... On a brand new copy. Your product deserves to be judged for that. Not turn a blind eye, because the story was good.
@@SakuraAvalon Only focusing on the flaws isn't good either. Yes it's important to let Game Freak know what we didn't like about Scarlet and Violet so they don't do it again, but it's also just as important to let them know what we did like about the games so they to keep doing these things. Being critical is not about scolding someone who did a thing badly so they feel bad, but rather is about helping someone to gain a different perspective on things so they can improve.
@@ShiitaKitsune64 It really doesn't matter. The games sold incredibly well in spite of being unfinished. There's no reason for GameFreak to improve at all.
@@SakuraAvalon Except that GameFreak seems to be improving their games a lot since the release of Sword and Shield? And they're taking much more time in making Legends ZA and haven't outsourced their main series games to make another lazy remake like BDSP? They're doing this despite the previous Switch Pokemon Games selling well? I'm not trying to say GameFreak is a completely flawless developer or anything, they have made many mistakes don't get me wrong, but they aren't some completely greedy and heartless corporation that many want to label them as. Also remember it's not just the Switch Pokemon games people ragged on, many people hated the Sun and Moon games, thought Gen 6 was unfinished, didn't like the story or being forced to play new Pokemon in Gen 5, and even Ruby and Sapphire got hate for not including all of the Pokemon at the time. No Pokemon game is perfect, and the whole GameFreak/Nintendo/Creatures/Pokemon Company fiasco seams like a nightmare for anyone involved to properly navigate I'm not surprised things get released to early before the game devs would ideally like.
i mean, i don't think scarlet and violet's story was 'the best out of any pokemon game', like, it was definitely better than alot of the others by a bit, but still just okay. i got the game pretty late though so most of the buggy stuff was patched out, but judging by other peoples reactions and playthroughs yeah, it was released full of bugs, and no matter how good the story is, a buggy game makes that story hard to understand and less realistic.
btw, i like ur octoling pfp
After the original Ruby and Sapphire, I took a long break from the series up until HeartGold came around which was my last Pokémon game so far. I feel like I've had a good run with the franchise and I enjoyed the time I spent with each game but as of now, I have no desire to get back into Pokémon even if they finally start making games that look like they came out post GameCube era.
Scarlet and violet is severely underrated
My first mainline pokemon game was Sword and was pretty disappointed. I didnt understand the hype and love for the series. Then i played Legends and i fell in love. Cant wait for the next Legends. 🎉
My rankings of Pokemon games:
Let's Go Pikachu: I got bored of it the fastest out of any Pokemon game.
Sword: The story isn't very good, and I got bored after catching Zacian.
Brilliant Diamond: I quit sometime between the 6th and 7th gym, and I forgot why.
Legends Arceus: Volo is too hard. For some reason I tried to do it with only Eeveelutions. Maybe I'll come back to it.
Scarlet: Best in the series that I've played!
Damn. U are young?! Are these really all the games you have played? 😮
Even if so, I mostly agree with your list bud.
[LGP/LGE]: Yeah, they were kinda boring.
[Sw/Sh]: I thought they were quite fun. And I loved the DLC.
[BD/SP]: I quit after Candice. I just really hated those games.
[LA]: I struggled with him as well.
[S/V]: Yeah, they are candidates for my favourites as well.
@@CragusMaximus the switch came out almost 8 years ago, so even a 16 year old could've had it as their first console so it makes sense
@@CragusMaximus I played Gens 5-7 for a few minutes, but then I lost my 3DS.
7:10 what is this song ? I can't remember ahah.
Sword and shield are literally good. Imo people overreact to Dexit
I honestly agree. I loved the Wild Area and the DLC areas, and Dynamax Adventures were a million times better than Snacksworth.
As for Dexit? I never saw much of an issue with that. It was inevitable, plus, I don't see the point in wasting almost all of my PC boxes for _one_ of each species in one game. I have HOME for that.
It was so easy and boring. Don't think I lost a single battle
I definetly agree. Although I understand arguments for an average story, too much linearity and wild area not being great, Sword and Shield are still some of my favorite Pokemon games. There is so much charm, the difficulty is balanced if you have a full team often (I always do,) and the DLC is very well designed. I love the idea of making the gyms such a big event and the graphics fit what I think most future Pokemon games should base their style on.
Nah, forget Dexit. That's an easy scapegoat.
Sword and Shield are unfinished games. They scream that these games are rushed out the door.
The underwhelming visuals, outshined by many other Switch games(so don't try that excuse)
The difficulty being way too low
The fact that you're basically a bystander, rather than the main character in the story, cause they didn't have time
The villain being super predictable, but not built up and only revealed at the last second
The towns feeling like sets on a stage, rather than actual places
The half assed open areas, which were a neat idea, if they had actually been fleshed out
The final section being a game of hide and seek, and then battling in an elevator, cause they didn't have time to make a building for you to explore and battle
The big cutscene being a drawing they zoom in on
The villains motives being incredibly forced and stupid. Like, sure, he had a point. But it goes out the window when he cannot literally wait ONE DAY, and unleashes a Pokemon he can't control(DUMBASS)
And the Elite Four being replaced with the Gym Leaders, because they didn't have time to design, model, and animate the Elite Four, so they had to reuse what they had
And I'm giving them the benefit of it being a time issue and not lazyness/complacency.
I don't like them because they'reso short/linear. I think the demo of DQ11 has more content in it than all of SwSh.
HGSS were my introduction to the series when I was 10, and I couldn’t think of a better way to become a Pokémon fan! It really felt like I was on an adventure
I love sword and shield I love Galar something about those games man I have so many memories with
Galar is probably the worst experience in gaming in my life aside form Hello Neighbor
I loved Let’s Go honestly lol. The catching mechanic was fun and the graphics were so nice. I know your starter is god powered but that’s how the games always are anyway if you level grind
Diamond and pearl are exceptional games, they are slow for sure but not that slow. I like it as in battles it’s more suspensful
Eh, Platinum is better imo
@@Julv_ No, it isn't. Ruined two interesting end-game teams, added two completely unnecessary and unimportant characters and had a boring post-game.
@@toumabyakuya You don't understand what "in my opinion" means, do you?
@@Julv_ I do, I am just diosagreeing with you, something I am allowed to do.
Most of dp’s story falls flat to me,and the slowness just bogs everything down
As much as I don’t like the sm cutscene I’d rather sit through them then play through Gen 4 again (plus moon was my first mainline game,so it’d be a nice bit of nastolgia)
So glad to see Pokémon Legends Arceus reach the top 3! It’s my favourite Pokémon game and it’s truely a huge step forward for the series (12:44)
For me the original Black & White are the best games. So nostalgic, and an amazing story
This was interesting - would have left to see the cross data of ages of survey participants since we know how much nostalgia of childhood influences impacts our favorite pokemon picks
did anyone else really love pokemon sword and shield or is it just me?
I love those games too
Same, I loved s/v too
I loved it
me!!
Garbage games
Super random place to ask this, but I've only ever played spin-off and puzzle Pokémon games, so I've wondered something for many years. What exactly are the differences between the two versions of each game? They're not like the Zelda Oracle games, which are totally different games with some shared mechanics and item-trading, are they? I also imagine they aren't the exact same games with only a different selection of 'Mons?
Then again I recall seeing that, at least for some of the early Pokémons, the two games' ROM data are 100% identical except for one (1) byte that denotes which version you play. But I've also never heard anyone say "Just get one, they're the same damn game".
@@HelpTheWretched the main differences between versions are some pokemon (like you can only catch Sandshrew in Blue and can only catch Ekans in Red) and usually the legendary pokemon the protagonist meets/gets a chance to catch.
Same story and general games. Mainly the available pokemon are different and some events and locations too, to encourage trading. Despite what people say, you really *are* supposed to only buy 1 and live with your choice.
Black and White and their sequels stand out though since a few more things change and canonically are parallel timelines.
Nah black and white got shit on release. They only like it now cause its cool (didn't even start the video 😂)
I started to play pokemon games in 2019. Not applicable to me
This is very true, when people actually went back and played the black and white fully they found so much to like about it, instead of just believing it all sucked because someone else said the pokemon designs were bad or something. Go figure, you have to actually play a game to understand all of the positives and negatives of the game.
people didn't like it on release because they couldn't catch their favorite pokemon from the previous games
I replayed Black for the first time since it came out earlier this year and really was surprised by how much i enjoyed it (aside from post game engless grinding...). Just started B2 for the first time and enjoying it so far.
Also ill never trust people who shat all over Arceus it was such a fine game. Im glad to have a new spin off variety with similar mechanics to the main formula with skmething new and the fun of exploring and having it be encouraged to catch multiples of pokemon just for the fun of it. Smooth fun process
legends arceus does not deserve that spot imo i got bored of it so fast, it’s genuinely just empty fields with nothing to see or do besides catch Pokémon
I think all Pokémon games are great and I'm very simple to please. However I still do have favorites, those being Gen 3, Gen 6 and Gen 8. So seeing Sword and Shield so low kinda broke my heart lmao. Played most of the games but I only don't plan on playing RBY and GSC because FRLG and HGSS seems like such better options to experience their respective regions.
The opinion has shifted too far on Black and White. When it came out it was hated by everyone, was the worst selling, and many people dropped the franchise because of it. But now the pendulum has swung too far, and people act as if it is better than Gen 4 when it is nowhere near Platinum and even Diamon and Pearl.
Yes, it is. It easily has a better story and pacing compared to any Gen 4 game.
Oh, please. It only got that hate, because people were throwing a fit over having to use new Pokemon.
I always personally thought the Black and White games were as good as Platinum, but it really is funny to see the difference on opinion for those games now. They used to be widely hated, and now they're widely beloved. I think part of that hate was because of the Pokemon Black and White anime
@@Thriftybits It's kind of like Windwaker.
As someone who originally played gen 4 and 5 within a few weeks of each other back in 2016, gen 5 is just significantly better
How is Emerald 2 and Platinum 5? If anything, they should be switched. Or 2nd and 3rd. Platinum is easily the second best game in the franchise.