Torque and Power Cams for Harley-Davidson M8 | Screamin Eagle Stage 2
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- Wake up your Harley-Davidson M8, Milwaukee 8 engines and its 4 valve heads respond extremely well to camshaft swaps, picking the right cam will deliver that horsepower and torque where you want it. With a Stage 1 complete you're looking for some more reliable power but not ready to get deep into the engine, a Stage II kit is the way to go. Harley offers two cam options in either torque or power cams, you might just be surprised how much power can be had while keeping your warrnaty intact.
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Let me know what cam you're running and how you like it, what pipes and tuner are you using?
I have vance and Hines 2 into 2 big radius pipes and a screaming eagle heavy breather....the SE tuner .. the HD torque cam I will do later
@@thomasandrewphd.5844 That's a sweet combo! I have the heavy breather myself, you put a torque cam in you should see even higher gains with your exhaust.
Ok, have 12 months left on my warranty and since I want my bike to last I pulled the plug and rode 600 miles in May to Moonshine Harley-Davidson in Tennessee (watch them on utube). They installed a S&S 465G cam chest kit, fulsac 2-1-2 headers, Power Vision
tuning.....bike runs Awsome!
Jeff what did that cost ya? Live in upstate NY don’t have a Harley Dealership willing to do that work here!😡
@@MichaelSmith-sz7kf dealer wanted to charge me in cali $1180 with tax or plus tax
Went to Moonshine horsepower in Franklin Tennessee with my 2021 SGS had them do a 128 kit with bulletproof primary. Moonshine horsepower 1 7/8”pro stock header and exhaust. 64mm intake with the 492/30 cam. 6.24 GM/SEC injectors.
Horsepower topped out at 138.7. Torque went to 151. The guys there were super cool. They had me in their shop for hours showing me different things and just talking. After the build was done, two days later we had a few drinks after the shop closed also talking about the build. I heard they were good. so I trailered from Wisconsin to Tennessee. They did not disappoint.
I've seen a lot of their RUclips videos, when they talked about builds they checked all the boxes included larger injectors when needed! That's awesome to here they got it right and treated you right too!
I have an 18 breakout114 with a stage 1. I would do a torque cam for sure. I shift and ride in 3 to 4k im just a cruiser but I love the feeling of torque, that pull when you roll onto the throttle... this is what got me hooked on Harley.
Me too! I love that power way down low, I used to ride a GSX-R 1000 and a Harley would pull me off the line every time. A 114 break out? I bet that's a blast to ride! A torque cam in that would completely change that bikes personality with as light as they are.
Went with the Screaming Eagle stage 2. Torque cam. In my 2021 Road king. Wow👍👍👍🙏 really woke this big girl up. Very happy with the performance. All Harley dealership Myrtle beach. Great information you give us all. Thank you sir.
Probably one of the best overviews of the stage 2. The torque kit for me as I like to ride 2 up and it will help
At what rpm's does the screamin eagle tourqe cam pull the best ?
2021 Road King Special 114. Just got done having a stage 2 torque cam installed. The dyno came out to 105 horsepower and 119 foot pounds of torque. Rinehart slimline duals, with Khrome Werks 4 1/2" mufflers. And a Screamin Eagle tuner.
Very nice numbers! Those M8's respond so well to cams, it's crazy the kinda power they gain with just a cam swap.
Very good topic just picked up a 2020 / 114 Road glide S ran it 1000 miles for brake in and 1K service did a stage 2 torque kit. Also
Ventilator elite intake, Vance & Hines power dual full exhaust, Screaming eagle pro tune WITH smart tune . I agree about the pushrods however
The M8 works really well with this build. No increase in performance clatter...civilized with a real seat grab At 63 years old I prefer to get the weight rolling other builds were always aftermarket .How ever as of this posting this combo really rocks. For the price point I feel money well spent. Ride safe
Thank you, I really like that torque cam as it gains in the low and mid but doesn't really give up anything on top. Sounds like you have a really nice setup going on your bike, it should really good with that exhaust, air cleaner and tune with that cam.
My first experience with Stage 2 (SE torque cam) was on a 2017 Ultra Classic. It was an excellent performance upgrade and I found that first year M8 to be as reliable as an anvil. My new ride is a 2022 Road Glide Special. In stock trim it runs about as strong as the Stage 2 107. The 114 runs really strong with the SE stage 1 and sounds great with 4.5 Street Cannons. I have all the parts for the SE torque cam including high SE tappets and inner cam bearing just waiting for the appt to get it done at Harley. If I can maintain the warranty and reliability like on the 107 I'll be one happy camper. I use my bike for a commuter so it gets lots of miles and about 50% at high speeds on the Interstate (85-95mph cruising speeds). The torque cam didn't fall short on the ultra and I hope I made the right choice for the Glide. Time will tell. I like to live in 2500-3500 RPM range.
That's awesome to hear! I'm a big fan of the torque cam, it doesn't give up really anything to the power cam. It puts the power right where you can use it!
2020 SGS 114 stock headpipe SVT slip on’s. I chose the Power cam and I’m really enjoying it. Gained a few hp on bottom end. Tremendous gain top end. I love it.
You really feel it in the upper mid range to redline with that power cam!
I will undoubtedly go with the S&S 465 full kit, cam, cam-plate, oil-pump, tappets, alu. tappet locks, pushrods etc. + add an hydraulic S&S cam chain tensioner….when I rebuild my 2017 FLHTK this winter. A 2-1 Bassani might be a solution too 👍🏻😉
I did the stage 2 torque cam, screamin eagle breather,street tuner and 4.5" krome Werks slip ons. It's like a whole different bike. Runs and sounds great. Now I also just added a Vance and Hines power duals head pipe. Wow, the sound is awesome now. For my riding style. I'm good to go. And I keep my dependability of the bike. I hardly ever go over 4500 rpm.
Torque cam is would be my choice too, it runs right there with the power cam and difference on top is only marginal. Sounds like you have one hell of a nice setup on your bike 👍.
I' just bought a 2021 Road glide limited, putting Vance n Hines power duals head pipe just like my 103 twin cam had which had great sound n performance, but this time instead of vance n hines high output slip ons, I'm going to try the reinhart slip ons first because the back came new from the dealership with them, and I'm also going to go with the horse power cam instead of the Torque because I know set up this way running two up on the highway I have more power band to pass with at 70 and I twist the throttle to pass or run away from other traffic n find my own piece of the highway, lots of our runs we take back roads twisting thhru hills n curves eat dinner then jump on the highway and race back home a hr or two, plus Im wanting to do some longer week n weekend trips the next couple yrs, if not happy with power cam,when warranty is up, its getting a woods cam or the s n s 475 cam and Im fine with this choice, I want to try something a bit different here most are going with torque which i want to really do the power n report back the difference when ever I get my bike from the dealer n get to ride this season or next if road salt or brine doesnt get rinsed off by rain, dry clear road in winter I have been known to ride all year when able too
Been reading up see what everyone’s thoughts are on both cams I just did the power cam with vance n Hines big radius on my 117 breakout love it! Feel I gained off bottom and lot more on top it’s like I have an extra gear now!
Great video! This video helped me make the decision to have the dealer do a few mods prior to me picking up my new 2023 Street Glide 107.
On my 1st ride home in the next day or so she will come to me with the Screaming Eagle stage 2 torque cam kit, with bassani catless head pipe , Rinehart 4.5 DBX45, Chrome fork lowers and an oil cooler fan kit.
I’m having the torque Stage II installed by my local HD dealer on my 2021 Street Bob 114, can’t wait to feel the difference.
I just put D&D exhaust, 2 tuners and the power cam on my 2021 CVO Street Glide. My HD dealership said they had no option other than the power cam since CVOs didn't have a tune for the Torque Cam. My bike sounds amazing. The power actually starts kicking in about 2300 RPMs so it isn't just on the top end but there is big gains the higher it goes. Overall, I am happy with the sound and upgraded power. I cannot tell you if it is exhaust that really makes the difference, but they work well together.
I have purchased a 2021 Sport Glide with a M8 107 CI. I have 565 miles on it now, waiting to reach 1000 miles. Delivery date was the first of March. I have 60 days to install the Torque cam SE-447 with out the adjustable push rods.Harley has a SWR 60-day warranty rule, which is referred to as a “Sales & Warranty Registration” or “SWR” I am going to have a full Dyno, before and after. i will keep you in the loop on the information. I love the way the bike sets with a 25.7 seat, fits me well with a 30" inseam. Go Harley!
Let me know what you get with that cam on the dyno!
Going with the torque cam kit this week. Within 60 days of purchase, all under warranty. Under 700 miles and a bunch of rewards points will make this mod a no brainer. I'm a warranty junkie, otherwise I might lean towards the Zipper or S&S mod with maybe a thunder tuner. All for under $1300. Can't wait to see what I get. '21 Heritage Softail FLHCS
It's hard to beat a good warranty and the rewards points are a great bonus!
I’m about to do the same before my 60 days is up. How is it? Is the difference noticeable?
@@paulg5835 I think If you ride enough before the cam change, you'll notice it more. I had less than 700 miles on but yes, I did notice the difference. I rarely downshift to pass someone unless I'm under probably 1600 rpm in any gear. My gas mileage was only affected for a few rides..I liked snapping throttle and feeling the extra torque. I still like the feel, I just don't play with it as much. Gas mileage hasn't really changed much for me. Love the loping sound better than before the cam change. There's a difference and I love it! Cost was around $1100 @ HD. Peace of mind all under warranty. That all helped me make my decision a bit easier. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Oh..and I also went with the black pushrod tubes instead of the chrome. Kind of a sleeper. No one has noticed the difference yet.. 😉
@@AussieFloydFan2012 Thanks a lot. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences. . I’m been driving myself crazy trying to figure put what l want to do and times running out for my 60 days.
Very informative, I have the 19 Roadglide Special & my HD dealer just gave me a priceless deal on the Stage 2 that I cannot refuse. I'm moreso into the Torque Cam so I'll let them know this am so that I can start the process. Your video clarifies the few questions that I had in reference to Stage 2, thx a bunch, keep up the great work!
Thank you l appreciate it! The cam swap on the M8 is well worth it with the power gains. I am more into the torque cam myself, it doesn't give up much if anything on top to the power cam. Let me know how it does in your bike!
MY dealer just offered a Stage 2 package with labor for $799. I'm thinking about it. I have a 2020 Road Glide Special (114) with 4.5 Rineharts. Doing a Stage 1 Air Cleaner and Screaming Eagle Racing Tuner on the same trip to the dealer.
Now that's honestly a deal! Especially from dealer with install and everyting!
@@GixxerFoo But, I didnt previously have a tuner, so that was an additional $255 and High Flow air cleaner $155 and labor to tune it all.
That's still not too bad, usually installation alone is was you'll be paying out the door. Are you going with the power or torque cam?
I took my 2021 SG Standard into the Harley dealer today, to get a Stage II done. I was going to go with the Power cam, but everyone and everything I read said to go with the Torque cam. That's what I changed my mind to. Should be out of the shop tomorrow or Friday morning. I will let you know! I got the 4.5" Khromewerks mufflers, Screamin Eagle high intake breather (least expensive one, looks stock) and the Pro Street Tuner. I'll see how it goes. Hoping to kick it in the nutz a bit lol. The Stage 1 helped a lot from stock, but I wanted more! :) I ride 2-up frequently, and in Arizona, it's mountainous and constantly shifting sucks. I'm hoping my girl and I can take a nice long cruise soon, and really put it to the test. I have less thank 2k miles on my bike at the moment. Thanks GF!
You'll really appreciate that torque cam, especially where you're riding! I think you made a great choice, that torque cam gives up nothing to the power cam especially down low. Even on the top end the power cam barely, I mean maybe edges it out. The power cam might feel faster in the upper RPM range but it's not enough to write home about in my opinion.
I went to Gail's in KC and got a Wood wm8-22xe with an oil pump, cam chest, etc. I'm very happy with it.
I have a 2017 Tri Glide Vance and Hines exhaust, Screaming Eagle High flow air filter and tuner, Torque cam, I like the way it run out. Thank you for the video.
Got stage 2 last Tuesday, SE Torque cam plus new SE oil pump version #4, Rinehart inverted air cleaner and slipons, sound great and what a difference From stage 1. Will never Buy a Harley without stage 2 from now on.
Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam in my 20 Breakout 114 with a tune. Worth every penny.
If you do the stage II kit with a full exhaust and proper tune it’ll definitely make a difference that’s instantly felt!!
my 2021 new road glide with the power cam is max torque 116.5 at 3.68, max power is 102.52 at 4.86, Vance n hine power dual with free Rinehart slip on's nice very nice smooth pulls on both, not sure if the results will be a bit better after break in or not, but the sound of those pipes is deep n loud at same time, best sounding pipes I have heard in the last 10 yrs
Damn that made some really good numbers with your exhaust system you went with!
I just added the stage 2 torque cam to my Stage 1 2019 Slim, I have the S&S 2 inti 1 SE Breather backing plate w/stock breather Cvr and HD tuner, The Bike runs like a Beast....... Parts & labor was $1750
Went with SE 447 Torque cam and SE tuner ( have extended warranty to keep compliant)
Very happy with performance and sound.she’s louder, nice lobe!
Even with the Screaming Eagle!
Thanks for info. Helped with decision.
Running Vance and Hines from head to tail. Torquer 450s
It's a great option on a new bike and keeping your warranty, the cost isn't horrible either.
Had a stage II upgrade for torque done on my 2018 Heritage Softail Classic using Vance and Hines short shots and the screaming eagle tuner and air intake. My bike definitely has a lot more torque than before.
At what rpm's does the screamin eagle tourqe cam pull the best ?
Just ordered stage 2 for my 114 Harley dealer told me to power cam so that’s what I went with super excited to see how it sounds and runs when I get installed in 2 -2 1/2 weeks
That's awesome! Power cam is a bit more aggressive than the torque cam, you'll feel it in the seat in the upper mid range and big time on the top end.
Sending respect from Australia, great content 🇦🇺👍🏻
Thank you we appreciate it! Ride safe out there!
I have. ‘19 rgs 114. I went with the power cam. It has a shit ton of power and tq from idle to redline. It’s pretty fast for a Harley. I ride mostly two up. I debated heavily with the tq cam. Why I choose the power cam over the tq cam is the M8 seemed to fall flat around 3500 rpm. So the goal was to even out the power band without sacrificing too much low end. Seat of the pants, I didn’t lose anything on the low end. In fact I gained low end as well as it pulls hard to redline.
Seat of the pants is the way to judge it! That's some awesome insight, l think you're the first to comment that went with power cam. Sounds like you really paid attention to the bike and it paid off!
Damn! You got me considering the power cam now rather than the torque
Just bought a 19sgs with stg1 breather and stg2 power cam SE street tuner and stock exhaust it's a 114 huge difference from my stock 107 sg,
I may just do the power cam since for my new experience the Ultra has a bit too much torque as it is, and scary if you make a throttle mistake at low speeds! Well the only graph out there in all cams I've seen start higher torque than stock, except the SE which , at least on the graph is lower tan stock. Since my main reason (well sound too) is passing power and I don';t mind downshifting at all it seems the Power Cam is what is at! Saw the cam video GixxerFoo has and did contact Customer cycle Rama, their 470 they have it as "coming in" at 2800 rpm, but I can't see any graph what is the starting torque right after idle which is my concern!
I have the 2019 Heritage Classic, (stage 2 power, with 3.5 rineharts & heavy breather), runs like a dream and can hear it in the next town over.
I bet your bike sounds good with the rineharts and cam, love the heavy breather. I run one myself too, what cam did you go with?
GixxerFoo went with the power cam
@@jakeg3758 Hi Jake,
Mine was 107, and I had the power cams fitted straight from the box when I bought it,
however, I have tested both 114 & 107 as stock and the power cams give you a big boost the whole way through,
2&3 gear granted have the most pull, 4&5 steady increase but still heaps of go if your sitting on the right RPM, 6 obviously perfect for cruise and I have never needed to down shift over taking as there is still plenty of throttle,
@@jakeg3758 well I don’t hear shit now with my pipes lol, I don’t feel any lag in first at all , all go
@@blakedarbey8879 LOL Awesome. I'd love to see a video of your bike idling. There is hardly any videos of M8 Heritages with SE cams on RUclips. Any chance you can post one? Thanks for all your responses. Merry Christmas
According to Dyno records, the best cam from HD is the Torque cam. The power cam drops too much low end, but doesnt trade enough high end. IT only works for stage 4 builds.
SE447 comes on early, and carries almost the whole way through, with a smart tune pro SE tuner setup.
If im going for a cam upgrade though, I wouldnt go with the HD cam, simply because there's more power per dollar in aftermarket cams, and aftermarket tuners.
Also if you're going to do a Cam upgrade, you need a high capasity cam Bearing, and new Lifters(Tappets). ALWAYS use brand new tappets when you put in a new cam. The tappets and Cam need to break in together.
Oh yeah no doubt aftermarket is the way to go unless your concerned about keeping your warranty. I agree with on the tappets, I've heard both ways on just swapping cam or swapping tappets and cam. Personally I would change the tappets with the cam.
Power per dollar? Have you actually priced an aftermarket cam install and tune? I did! $2300 without upgrading the oil pump because mines a 19 1/2 but 17's, 18's and most 19's will have to. Torque cam $800 out the door warranty intact! Ty
I have the extended warrantee on my M8 107 FXLR. I went with the dealer installed SE Torque cam, the hiflow metal intake manifold and auto tuner with the large oxygen sensors after I did the Stage 1 with the hiflow intake filter and SE Street Cannons. Ended up with 97.16 HP and 104.98 Torque. That was a bit disappointing but what surprised me was the Torque graph. It was about 95 at the bottom end and 85 at the top end with peak (104.98) at about 3400 rpm. That was pretty flat across the dyno graph!
That's not bad at all for the torque cam, you went all out on that build with the wide band system too!
In my 2018 Road King 107 I have the Red Shift 468 cam, S&S 2-1 no cat exhaust, DK 587 air breather and Powervision tuner. Also a new current production HD oil pump.102 HP and 113 torque.
That 468 cam is awesome, we put one in my friends 2018 SGS with a 107. It sounds and runs damn good!
wow
I chose the Torque cam for my 02 Fatboy back when I made that change. If I am ever able to get my hands on a new Touring Harley-Davidson I will probably select the Torque cam as well because I usually short shift and ride at low to mid range rpms and only get into higher rpms when stretched out on the freeway.
The torque cam actually gives up very little if anything to power cam on top, I'd go with the torque cam myself too.
Great videos, very informative.
I have a 22 Street Bob 114 which I am considering putting in a torque cam as that is the rev range I tend to ride around in.
I doing Stage 2 TORQUE CAM and I'm looking forward to it!
Be sure to let us know what you think after you get it done! It's gonna run hard for sure!
Bought a 21 fat bob and did a stage 2 (torque cam) at 100 miles with a dyno tune. Bassani 2-1 ripper, SE tuner, and K&N air filter. Made 102hp and 122ft tq to the wheel.
That's gotta be a blast to ride with a FatBob! That's one of my favorite bikes, 122 torque and right at 100 horse that is awesome!
I did the stage 2 & the torque cam and rineharts & its amazing!
Yeah it is! My buddy has 2018 Street Glide Special with the 107, full Rinehart exhasut and the stage 2. That bike frickin runs hard now!
Which rinehart exhaust did you put on?
@@williamreynolds9698 / because so many ppl I talked 2 recommended them , they sound good but not to loud...
I’ve done some research and I’m going S&S all the way and going with a whole chest kit including the pump and all the other bits and pieces that comes with it no sumping for me 👍
Sounds great! S&S makes an excellent upgrade for that M8!
I have a '17 Road Glide Ultra with the Stage II torque cam setup, cat delete and screamin eagle cannons. pulls mountains in high gear loaded down with me and my wife.
Having those cats out of there makes a huge difference!
I called HD to ask specific questions about dealer installation and the effect on the warranty. Based on what I have read and heard, I was surprised to be told that having the dealer install a SE Stage 2 kit would not ensure warranty coverage on a later failure, if HD deemed the cause of the failure was the Stage 2 upgrade. According to the service person I spoke with at HD, the only way to ensure warranty coverage on any SE stage upgrade is to have it done within 60 days of purchasing the bike. I followed up and asked "To be clear, whether or not I install the SE Stage 2 kit, or an HD dealer installs it, there is no difference as to whether or not a future warranty claim might be denied due to the installation of a Stage upgrade.....Is that correct?" And there answer was "Yes, that is correct." At that point I asked....."Then why should an owner be concerned about only using HD parts versus after-market parts, or be concerned about having a dealer perform the work?". The service person responded that there is no 100% certainty to HD warranty claims beyond the 60 day window, on motorcycles that have been modified. HD will review every warranty claim, collect all of the facts, and make a determination. If they come to a conclusion that whatever was done to the bike outside of that 60 day window had an impact on the failure that prompted the warranty claim, they very possibly and likely will deny the warranty claim.......... There is a LOT of misunderstanding and misinformation on warranty provisions and claims. I would suggest all owners make themselves very familiar with the Magnuson-Moss Act. A good understanding of your rights will certainly help. However, if a warranty claim is denied, ultimately it could come down to whether or not the owner is willing to take legal action against a manufacturer, and thereby spend a LOT of time and money with the hopes of collecting on a warranty claim. Hope this is helpful.
Harley give you 1 year warranty all parts installed after 60 days of delivering. Getting all you upgrades done within 60 days is the only way to guarantee you warranty on the bike all the parts for 2 years or the extended warranty. Sadly a lot of times the dealer eats the cost to make it right with the customer if something happens. A dealer will make the repairs and send it to Harley, it may get denied and the customer never knows about it. That's what a good dealer does in a lot of cases.
I would call a few different dealerships and look at your manufacturer warranty, as I had my HP cam installed and fully covered under warranty.
@@kellyhalteman4439 To be clear. I don't have a warranty claim, or a problem with my dealer. In reading through the HD warranty it was unclear as to whether or not having a dealer install the Stage 2 kit would absolutely be covered under the HD warranty. The answer is "No"......Unless you have the dealer install the kit within 60 days of purchasing the motorcycle, any upgrades are not absolutely covered under the HD warranty. Example......If the dealer installed the Stage 2 kit and later an engine problem developed, if HD determines the cause of the failure was attributed to the installation of the Stage 2 kit, outside of the 60 day window, then HD could, potentially deny the warranty claim to repair the engine........That is straight from a HD customer service rep at HD's corporate office in Milwaukee.
Iam getting torque cams put on mine rite now, after many reviews and research I chose torque cams for my style of riding.
Torque cam put that power where you ride the most and on top it doesn't give up much if anything to the power cam. It would be my choice as well for sure!
2020 softail slim, SE power cam, RSD clarity air filter, SE fat leads, V&H slip on’s and FP3. Jeez, the bikes runs so much better and is perfect on the road, waiting for another bike to get past it on a road other than a motorway
I personally prefer the Torque kit, great video sir!
Thank you! I was really surprised that the torque kit made horsepower that was so close to the power kit.
Got a Triglide with a Rekluse clutch and a Pingle shifter . I have a stage I on it and If I go stage II it will be the power cam. I also have a Freewheeler and if I go up with that I will do a phase II power kit. The Triglide is for touring and uphill down hill and it hauls pretty good as it is with just a phase I. The extra Torque will be great. The engine is a 107. The FLRT is a 114 C.I. and it is pretty perky. I would go with the power kit probably but might go with the torque kit since I don't ride the trike that fast.
That's awesome! You don't see a lot of hopped up trikes very often, I bet they are a blast to ride!
18' low rider. power cam, screaming eagle air cleaner, fab28 pipe. tt tuner dyno tuned 109hp 114tq. Runs good but could use just a little more low end response.
The power cam does dip a little on the bottom, but it definently makes up for it on top.
You can't really go wrong either way; both are a substantial upgrade from stock and it would honestly probably be pretty hard to tell them apart by the seat of your pants. If I were riding back up in Portland where traffic moves at 55-60MPH, then it'd be torque cam all day every day. Down here in Phoenix, however, I feel like I'd actually lean toward the power cam. Traffic moves around 80 on city highways and 90+ on interstates. At those speeds on a 107, the torque cam will be starting to fall asleep and the power cam will just be waking up. Since I don't have any problems with how even a stock M8 makes power down low, I feel like having some extra breath while cruising so I can get around the knuckleheads down here would be more beneficial. Just depends on where you need power, I guess!
you nailed it right there plenty of low end Torque already no problem at all with me riding 2 up a lot, but at the end of some twisty two lane roads if its late or im on a road trip i will go for the power cam so I can stretch my legs and run with the big boys down the interstate n not be stuck on the porch
got the TQ kit on my 2019 flab really woke up the bike love it....got a 510g on my low rider , gotta work the motor to try to get it to the rpm range it likes, get the SE TQ on M8
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V&H fuel peak 3 , Bassani full exhaust, avon cleaner. FP3 is awesome..... sportster 68 tooth sprocket ( pulley) Its a beast!!!!
Sounds like you put some solid work into your bike! I use the FP3 myself and l absolutely love it!
My '21 FLHT Electra Glide standard SE stage II torque kit with head pipe, street cannons slip- ons is for Rocky Mountain passing 😎
The torque cam paired with their exhaust system really produces some serious torque!
After much consideration, my choice is down to 2.
The Zippers 468 and the S&S 465.
I should probably go with the S&S just to match up with the S&S Mk-45's slip-ons I already have on my '17 King.
There are not that many 107 CI in your reviews. I have about 325 miles to go before i hit 1000 miles. I want the pistons to be nice and seated before doing a full dyno pulls. I have purchased a vance and hines two into one pro pipe. Going to install the steaming eagle ventilator breather with the SA8-447 cam. The dyno's will be from a factory set up to the stage 2. I was surprised how much the Milwaukee 8 has over the EVO's. I am getting excited the closer i get to the 1000 mile mark. Thanks for your video, it's the best one out there so far.
107 is a really stout engine, it has the shorter stroke but it remind of the Twin Cam 95. The Twin Cam 95 with the short stroke runs very strong, those 107's pull really hard even converted to a 114. They don't give up much to the 114 when you get a good cam in them, it's going to be a whole new bike when you get that installed!
Getting a stage 2 installed now on a 2019 107 breakout. Went with the hp cam.
Almost everyone l've talked to has gone with the torque, let me know what you think of that power cam. It didn't look like it gave up much down, curious to see what you think.
yes please respond and let us know
Sorry as I just got this notification. Funny I traded it in for a road glide special but the bike ripped! My buddy has the torque cam and I did have more hp and the torque number was pretty close.
Dropped off my Softail Deluxe today. Getting the stage 2 torque cam, high flow air cleaner, vance and hines eliminater 300 mufflers and screamin eagle tuner installed. Yes I could have gone aftermarket but I like having a warranty to fall back on should things go bad. When it runs out of warranty in 4 years I might do something different.
It's gonna be like a whole new bike when you get it back! I would of went with the Screamin Eagle Tuner under warranty too, good call on that! Don't want to void your warranty especially if you bought the extended warranty.
@@GixxerFoo lol, I purchased it new 7 weeks ago and decided to do the upgrade and get comfortable with it while I'm breaking the motor in. Curious to see how it runs compared to my Fatboy S.
It should run cooler than the TC 110, that should be interesting see. You'll have to let me know how it compares your 110.
I just put in the power Cam in a new bike, Max torque is 116.42 engine rpm is 3.68 max power is102.52 at engine rpm 4.48, Vance n hines power dual header pipe, and Rinehart slip on's, It would have been all vance n hines but I got brand new rinehart slip on's for free, over all its better than a stage 1 and sound is awesome, I'm very happy with the end result for how I ride.
Those are very solid numbers, nothing wrong with that gain!
('18 SGS) I think I'm gonna go Torque Cam. I rarely go above 4K rpm's and when I do, it's only for a short burst to pass, so I guess this is the best option for my riding style.. When I did the Stage 1 I did not change the headers so I'm going to have those done too. Head Pipes to complete the Stage 1, and the Torque Cam option for the Stage 2. Im not sure if I will need a re-tune but if so I still have my Pro Street Tuner from before, I'll just have to pay for the re-map. ✌🏾
You'll for sure want to return your bike for those changes, that torque cam in my opinion is the way to go. It makes more down low and really doesn't give up anything to the power cam on top.
I went S2 on my ‘21 Sport Glide. SE Ventilator, SE Torque Cam, SE Tuner, Rinehart slip on.
Before the mods my SG was gasping. It seemed that anything above 2700 RPM was too much.
The mods completely transformed the bike. I was most surprised about how I could really get on it. I’m not one that really wants to go into triple digits. At least not on my 700lb bike. The most fun is between 55-80. I’ve put about 6k on it since. It’s only appeared to get better. The exhaust is sublime. The last thousand miles…. I don’t know why or how but…..my bike was now roaring! It really is thrilling to ride now. I don’t go for apes or floorboards, I even ride with the sport fairing off. Everything is stock otherwise. Fits me perfectly. I even get a good 45 MPG!
I’m sure I’ll end up being tempted to make other mods but, I’m so freakin’ happy with how it rides and sounds. Twisties? Yup. Post apex punch coming out of a nice 45 mph curve in 3rd gear? With my heel dragging on the pavement? 😊
Adjustable pushrods are good if installed correctly. I have a set on my FLSTF with a TC88 that were installed about 15 years ago. Still running strong.
They really are pretty good, a lot of guys want solids ones on extreme builds though. Like you said though install correctly, you find a used bike cheap that turns over and won't start or runs poorly that's usually the culprit.
I’m agreeing with you the Torque cam in my 114!
Myself I spent $2500.00 on a stock 2004 softail standard with a 103 and any time I feel like my 107 softail doesn't have enough power I jump on the 2004 and take a spin, Then when I get back on my stock 2020 softail standard with the 107 it feels like a rocket ship, Best $2500.00 dollars I have spent and I never have to worry about a voided warrantee.
My local Harley dealer just installed the Stage II Torque cam on my 2021 Road glide special in Snake venom with dark package, Combined with Harley high flow breather,Cobra 909 slip on mufflers and street tuner. My seat of pants dyno and ear to ear grin when I roll on the throttle can attest to the very noticeable performance improvement. About $1200.00 OTD parts,labor and taxes.Money well spent IMHO.
Very nice! That's not bad at all for having the dealer do the work and keeping your warranty!
I know its subjective, but what are the 909s like? Did you have them on before the cam upgrade? Was there any torque drop?
I really like the uppercut look. In Australia our choices of exhausts are pretty weak. Its pretty much rinehart, s&s, freedom and cobra. The cobras are pretty cheap and the style i like the look of so.... still dont want to spend the money twice though hahaha.
Have a 2018 FLTRU which I bought new. Put in a stage 2 with "power cam" at 12,000 kilometers (7,500 miles) also have SE slip-ons and tuned with SE pro street tuner. I ride around 2800 to 3200rpm 90% of the time, It's seen 6200 rpm numerous times and from 4000 rpm on up you know where "Screaming Eagle" came from, unbelievable. I can go 260 miles to a tank, looking for gas at 250, lol. so about 43-45 mpg. (I have got 50 mpg when steady interstate driving all day) I ride 95% highway miles so didn't need the torque cam for block to block dashes. Haven't had any issues with the bike mechanically wise, did have the oil pump kit put in with the cam upgrade, no sumping issues, very little blow by (you could hardly see the misty substance in the breather) but I put a Trask M8 transmission cover this spring so we'll see if that makes any difference. Bike has 87,000kms/54,000 miles on it. Love it forgot to say I had the cat taken out also.
That's awesome, you have that bike setup just right for what you do with it! Don't see many power cams installed but since you ride on the highway that's perfect for what you. You'll like that Trask transmission cover, that will help with the blow by and reduce the crank case pressure!
I'm having the SE torque cam fitted to my 2020 Street Glide Special tomorrow. My bike has custom headers already with Rinehart DBX45 pipes and the SE pro tuner... can't wait to hear what it sounds like. New sub.
Thank you for sub! It's going to be like a whole new bike for sure! Are you using the black street tuner or the orange super tuner?
@@GixxerFoo black street
That's the way to go to keep that warranty. When the warranty expires a Power Vision and a good dyno tune will get even more out of the bike.
@@GixxerFoo good to know, really appreciate the advice man! ✌️
I just had the the SE torque cam installed in my 2018 Road Glide 107, honestly I can't tell the difference. It sound the exact same as before, I have Rinehart Air Cleaner and slip-ons. I am a bit disappointed because I thought I would get a power boost in the low revs.
Torque! Those prices are ok, but you can't forget the dyno time you gotta include. Running a 2017 CVO Ultra stage 1, 114 with TAB slip ons. It's already got plenty of power and torque, what I'm worried about is the dang oil pump and sumping!
2020 Road Glide Special with , Bassani road rage 2-1 exhaust, trask air cleaner..SE tuner... having the SE torque cam installed today..
Let me know what you think of that new cam!
What was your opinion of the cam?
How was the difference? Worth the extra cash? Thanks
I went red shift 468 and an S&S cam plate & pump. It really woke up the bike.
I bet that woke it up, any idea what kind of power your pulling now? Did you go with a gear driven cam or stay with the chain drive?
I’m waiting for warranty to be up and I’m pretty sure I’m going with the 468 as well.
Waiting on the warranty is a pain... l took a calculated risk with mine lol.
Your videos are great . I have learned so much from them .
I’ve got a stage 2 on a 107 m8 RKS with 447 SE cam . SE tuner .
Question: I have installed bassani 2 into 1 2 headpipe ( no cat)and also have smart tune pro with the 18mm O2 sensors . Any chance I am making more power than chart you posted suggests? If so , how much more would you guess ?
Get a Dyno done and ou will know for sure rather than speculate
Thanks for the video and education 👍🍺
You're welcome, l hope it helped deciding on which cam to choose! I was surprised the torque cam really didn't give up much at all on top compared to the power cam.
Personally I like Andrews cams very good video explained very well
Andrews came are awesome, if warranty isn't a concern l would go with Andrews. You would likely get higher numbers at all rpms from the Andrews cam.
GixxerFoo I know my new bike is under warranty I’ve been working on Harley engines for 30 years there’s no way I would take my bike to a dealership to let them install anything I don’t trust anybody with my bikes
In my '18 FLRT Freewheeler TRIKE, with a Stage 1 kit? No brainer, dude; Stage 2 torque kit, all the way. The only time my trike has seen 5 grand, was when I missed a shift from 2nd to 3rd... If I run the thing on the road at anything over 3800 rpm, the mileage just... disappears. Well, what there is of it, anyway. I spent too many years, sucking my way from gas station to gas station in cars/trucks with big V8s, to want to do it again - on a cross country trip on the FLRT. Which is what I bought the thing for... So, definitely the torque kit for me - and sometime pretty soon, too...😜
@GixxerFoo I noticed that on the Harley cams they do not include an inner camshaft bearing like every other camshaft manufacturer. Is it because the Harley cams are not as radical as the aftermarket or is it because Harley Parts match up with Harley parts and the aftermarket cams want to make sure their cams are matched up with their bearings? I also noticed that I cant find an upgraded Screaming Eagle bearing for the M8 like you used to for the Twin Cam. Anyways I bought the Torque Cam kit for my 2017 Limited and am waiting for the time to install it and find out if a new inner cam bearing is required ?
Good question, it looks like the bearings don't come with the Stage 2 Kits on the M8. It shows it on the break down with the installation instructions and lists it as a service to part to be replaced if needed. I wouldn't chance it putting in a new cam with a used and go ahead and put some fresh bearing in.
Bassani rr3 stainless, andrews 57h, tts tuner....pulls like a steam loco!
Yeah Andrews cams will absolutely destroy the SE cams everywhere!
i have 2019 fxdr 114 with bassani road rage2 exhaust and tuner works well making 96 hp at wheel thinking of using screamin eagle torque cam thanks for your help on video
That's a sweet bike, it's a shame they are dropping that model. That torque cam will really wake that bike! Damn 96 at the real wheel is frickin awesome with exhaust and tuner alone.
You should run the s&s 475 cam with the s&s cam plate and oil pump....excellent parts
Went with Torque cam SS 465 Complete cam chest. Had SE stage2 terrible. Cam chest about 1500$ versus 399$ tuned with FP3 tuner 4 was nt out yet. Old saying get what you pay for. SE lifters failed thank the the good LORD I caught it in time. GR 8 SHOW
mate , millions of miles have been done on adjustable push rods , they're safe as houses , just nip them up tight they'll be right
Definitely saves time and money money on the install not having to pull the valve covers and relieve spring pressure.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OEM and the screamin eagle mufflers are not "catalized", but the cat is at the head pipe. And bad idea to only change the cam..that POS hd cam bearing should always be replaced with a quality bearing...i did and was my first major mod on a bike, also added the Se-447 torque cam, and also added the S&S cam plate & oil pump, cnc lifter cuffs, wood's lifters, and quickie push rods with a Power Vision tuner and custom tune..my first ride felt as I gained at least 12- 15hp, and 15lbs of torque..and was better behaved than stock at take off..only very slightly more noticeable valve train noise in my 2020 Road King..tomorrow I'll be able to check fuel mileage differences and high rpm and high speed mannors..but it seems totally happy with my existing catless head pipes and Vance & Hines 4.5 Titans and HD Breakout air box up to 75+ thus far. Exhaust with baffles installed is not annoying loud either. I also have a Wood's 22XE cam here to use, but I'm glad I choose to install the Se-447 instead..seems easy to tune, lots of predictable power off idle, feeling just as the published torque curve shape show's. Couldn't be happier thus far. I'll save the Wood's 22XE for my Street Glide stage 2 project coming up. From what I seen, the 22XE is great for both Torque and power gains too..also running on up about an extra 500-1k rpms over the Se-447 but might be more radical, and less mild on the valve springs (than the SE-447)..my remmendation is if you ride under 100mph, go the Wood's 22x or Se-447 with Power Vision, if you plan to take it past 100mph, go Wood's 22EX or comparable
Only the touring bikes have the cat in the head pipe, everything else is in the mufflers. Now SE slip ons for touring bikes don't have cats, you get a full SE system and those mufflers do have the cats in them. The full SE system does eliminate the cat from the head pipe.
I’m doing the S&S kit with the oil pump too. The only thing that has got me from installing my cam is I didn’t get the adjustable push rods I don’t trust the adjustable ones either, so it’s a little more involved to do.
It's hard to beat S&S products on a big twin, they make a damn nice oil pump for the M8. Are you going with the gear driven system or staying with the chain?
GixxerFoo I got the gear driven.
@@GiancarloFloyd That's the way to go, I wish they would go back with a gear driven cam from the factory.
@@GiancarloFloyd you better be damn sure your shaft doesnt have any runout
Just picked up my brand new 23’ heritage 114 with the stage 2 power cam and 2-1 rinehart. I wasn’t worried about the numbers or needing to shift on the highway to pass, I was more concerned about how badly I needed to dog it by staying close to the mid range for break-in. I am absolute FLOORED by how much get up and go this bike has compared to the stock one I test rode. Perhaps for lots of 2up, get the TQ cam. But considering I’ve maybe broke 3k rpm’s after the short first 35 miles I rode today, I can’t even imagine what this thing is gonna feel like and how it’s going to sound when I can start opening it up
I personally prefer the torque cam for the fact that the top end it really doesn't give up much to the power cam at all. But it absolutely stomps the power cam in the low and mid range where you're typically going to spend most of your time riding on the street.
I ride hard & shift late, 4-5k range in almost every gear, choose power cam. My question is I’m looking for just a lil more power. Is stage 3 or 4 worth it, don’t really have $5k+ for stage 4, I believe 3 is a lil. Cheaper. Bike is still under warranty 2019 Street Glide Special. Will I have “stumping” issues like people say. I ride a lot on highway so 80-9ph is common?? Thanks for anyone who responds
The stage 3 is a great setup to with, it's a lot cheaper than the stage 4 and the 4 valve heads of teh M8 perform really well. The Stage 3 adds quite a bit to the bike in the RPM range you ride in, stage 4 adds more in that rpm range but cost a lot more. They do have a fix now for the sumping issue you mentioned, if you have it done at the dealer they should fix that for you while they are in the motor.
Harley have use adjustable pushrods for years and I have never heard of them come loss
I wouldn't be too worried about using them unless you're running some extreme cams and insane compression. They really aren't a bad idea unless your taking the bike to the track and banging on it really hard.
I've never lost mine either. They usually stay right there on the bike. That is until some asshole decides to take a pair of bolt cutters to them.
I am looking at the se 447 torque kit but I originally was considering the s&s 465. My hesitation is losing slow speed drivability. I do not want to lose that "smoothness" if I go se 447, I will tune it with a power vision not the se tuner. (Iam out of warranty)
Hi Gixxer, if I replace my stock cam with a torque cam, can I reuse the stock pushrods?
Great video, lots of information. But what if you go to stage 3 and get SE cylinders and the rest. Is that better than stock? Still get 447 torque cam, maybe non adj pushrods
It depends which kit you go with, they have several now like the 114, 117 and now the 119 and 122 kits. The 114 and 117 kits use a higher lift cam which requires heavier valve springs. The 119 and 122 have more displacement but they essentially use the bolt in 447 cam which is less aggressive and does not require a valve spring change. The Stage 4 kits have more aggressive cams, use the CNC ported heads, larger throttle body and intake. Each Stage kit produces more than stock, but a stage 3 kit is the best bang for the buck. It makes just as much power and torque in the low to mid range as the stage 4 kit and it's a fraction of the cost. Now granted top end the stage 4 will make the most power, but you spend most time riding in the low to mid.
What is your opinion of the quality of sceamin eagle cams vs; fueling or s & s/ I am interested in a 1017 cvo breakout that had a s&s flywheel installed with a h.d.screamin eagle cam. and s $ s premium lifters. I still want to go to gear drive cams if I purchase it. I thought I heard at some point thee issues with screamin eagle either cams and/or lifters. What is your advice on this issue. I have been enjoying your solid knowledge on Harley's for years. Thanks, Al
Did you say on the stage IV kit that the power would kick in around the 5000 rpm range
My 20 fxlrs got 100hp / 114tq. I used se power cam pushroads n lifters . Flash w se tuner only, will adding smart tuner n dyno tune will increase any numbers???
For sure, if you're running a canned map a good dyno tuner can get more out of it. The street tuner limits the numbers a bit, but you gotta keep the warranty intact.
Question: I had a SE torque kit installed, SE tuner, SE air filter and Rinehart Slip-on. I was told they had a map they used from a different bike. I told them I was disappointed about the HP &!Torque so I have a Dyno tune for the 17th of March do you think I’ll feel a difference? I was told by the Master Tech I should feel I big difference. I hope I’m not wasting my money.
Thanks😎
Dyno tune will make a big difference, every engine is different even if they are identical. A map for identical bike setups will make them run decent and safely, a dyno tune will dial the map into to your specific motor. A good dyno tune even on a stock bike can be 10 horse and torque swing up, you'll feel a difference.
i had STG II on my 2020 FLSB Sport Glide 107. Stock was 86. HP, torque 107.0 with STG.II 92.95 HP and 106.57 torque not that much different for the money I spend at the HD dealer. Parts SE torque cam SE-447 , exhaust V.H.pipe with S&S muffler, hi flow cleaner p/n 29400218
Have the powerkit on order - my M8 at 100HP will be great for me!
My 2019 RK has just under 2K miles with a stage 1 upgrade. I know the proper sequence would be 2021 oil pump, new cam plate, new lifters and torque cam. Can I just do the cam, and probably cam bearings, but hold off on the cam plate, oil pump and lifters ? Thanks !
You could but you'd have to get back into the engine twice, if you're doing the work yourself it's just time. But if you're paying someone to do the work it would be more cost effective to do it all at once.
Nice video. I have a 19 softail slim with v&h muffler. If i upgrade to stage 2 TQ cam, could expect better sound (like real harley sound)and better tq ?
Bigger cans will give it a better lope at idle, you'll definetely have some better torque and the bike will pull a lot harder.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks for your advice.
You're welcome, cammed out bikes sound really good. Especially on the big twins, now Sportsters get a lot of valve train noise that goes along with it.
I have a 2020 ultra limited with stage 1. I've been researching for 2 years now and am looking to upgrade to stage 2 SE power cam and feuling race oil pump/cam plate. Tab A slip on exhaust (SE Pro Tuner done with Stage 1). Dealer master tech said he's installed about 80 percent torque cams vs. power cams. Personally, am looking for power when getting ready to pass when my bike is loaded with passenger and luggage. What are your thoughts? Great content in your videos. TIA
I would recommend an aftermarket cam like Wood, S&S or Feuling but if you want to stick with SE l would go the torque cam route. It exceeds or matches the power cam down low where you spend most of your time riding. You'll have the roll on passing power and honestly the torque cam doesn't give up much of anything on top to the power cam.
Does the CVO 117 come standard with the “torque cam”
There’s no option for a torque cam from SE for the 117
I’d rather have the power cam though.
I gat a fat bob 2019 - stage 3 117cci with S&S 550 geardriven cam, stock exhaust Decat with S&S Slip ons and muffler(importend for back pressure), TTS Mastertune, SE Airfilter
And after the Dynotune : 132 HP 190 NM
I'm fricking jealous, I would love to have a Fat Bob! Especially done up like you have, you can't beat aftermarket parts for the power and quality especially from S&S. What cylinder kit did you go with?
GixxerFoo I was using Screaming Eagle Stage 3
I staying in nov to end of February in South Africa(Summer) this year I bought also a fat bob 2020 and changed the cam to a SE 498 - VH Airfilter - VH Slip ons - FP3
I love the FP3 because I can monitor the bike and change quickly the Throttle response I drive 1:1all the time.
With this cam I ref the gears to 6000rpm , specialy if rref from the 1 gear until 6000 then I change the gear 2,3,4,5,6 it kicks, my friend have the same set up but a stage 2 power cam
If I ref thru the gears I’m ahead but if we doing a roll on on the 6 gear from 2000 he pulls me
But I agree the cheapest way to gain alots it’s stage 2 and gives u lots of fun
But on this fat bob in South Africa I will due a upgrade to S&S 128 cci - because I love the fat bob and the power and Sound 😂😎
se torque cam works very nice
I want to install the Woods WM8 22XE. Look at the gains that offers over stock!
It is incredible power gains on an M8, we're talking the horsepower and torque levels you see with some of the Screamin Eagle Stage 4 kits.
I'm getting a Stage II Torque kit on my new RKS, with the Heavy Breather Extreme-Flow, and V&H Power Duals with Hi-Output mufflers. Curious to see what numbers that will produce.
With that nice free flowing exhaust l wouldn't be surprised if you surpass the advertised numbers easily. Let me know what you come up with!
I have a well trusted service writer who was part of my other builds with a 2 into 1 exhaust he said 101 hp 120 tq with the SE torque cam with the
Roadglide S I now have the stretched bags with a single pipe looks bad on a standard it’s fine I ran a pro pipe on my last build LOUD so I did a vance & Hines power dual knowing I was leaving some tennies on the table but it’s a good looking system sounds like a vtwin and runs really nice
I think the whole thing was just under 4000. For 20 hp ok in today’s world the pro street tuner with smart tune was 500. But no DYNO needed
I might after the warranty but at 63 really nice runner instant power, smooth quiet
@@GixxerFoo I nixed the H-D Stage II and the V&H exhaust.
Decided to go for a Fuel Moto Stage III with a Wood 22X-E cam and Jackpot pipes.
Since it will void the warranty I had to upgrade a whole bunch of stuff on the motor, which inflated the price. Many parts may be overkill, but I wouldn't want to risk an engine rebuild on my own dollar, so pretty much the whole top end of the engine, and the primary are getting replaced. I'm only leaving the heads, valves, crank, and gearbox stock. Everything else gets an upgrade. Lots of Feuling & S&S parts with a Dark Horse comp, Barnett clutch, and Dynojet tuning.
Expected numbers are between 140-150 ft lb and 130-140 hp.
That's exactly what you have to do when you're avoiding your warranty to upgrade. Do it all and do it right, you have one of a build 👍.
I think I’d love to do a torque cam, but can’t find information on how it affects highway riding (steady 65 to 80mph), mpg, rpm’s, and such
It wouldn't hurt your highway cruising at all, it's just going to basically give you more power at any given RPM. With a cam you're making the engine more efficient, which in turn just cruising is going to give you more power with less throttle. In most cases it will increase your fuel economy.
Motor is a screamin eagle 103 from a 2003 cvo road king....cnc ported heads and wiseco forged pistons 10.5-1 comp....andrews 57h, road rage 3 stainless, tts tuner, s&s stealth air filter kit...
Damn that 103 with some head work has got to be awesome. It wasn't a bad motor but the heads and lack of compression really held back it's potential. But you seem to have remedied that situation!
@@GixxerFoo hey man ,thanks for responding!....really appreciate your time doing so man...so I havent got it back yet, its gettimg all that done rite now!.....I hope I get it back before winter im from Pennsylvania and its indian summer now but won't be long befor its frigid!...im stoked 100% about my build, it did run good before all this so, my mechanic said its gonna smoke the back tire off without holding the brake!....the heads are getting a total work over including the valve ports honed and the seats re cut as well as better springs and valves...he said its gonna have a 3 or 4 angle cuts on them....it should be pretty awesome, I cant wait!
Not a problem at all, l appreciate you watching. You're are really going all out on that bike, l read what all you listed and that's exactly what it needed. I'll be curious to see what kind of power you put down with it.
@@GixxerFoo ill keep in touch and let ya know if I ever get it back!....gmc racing is doing the heads and cylinders and they been drag racing the last 3 months.....7.62 ia a quarter....fast bikes
Damn l'd say you got the right shop doing those heads! I think they are qualified for sure .
for now torque but I have a question. will it give a noticeable chop?
It would have been nice to see a before and after Dyno in the video.