I would like to add a few observations as follows: The violin weighs about a pound and about 2/3 of that is resting on the collarbone and 1/3 rests into the hand. The hand is part of your arm so the muscles that support your arm held up in space where the violin is, are doing the work. Though they too have the support of muscles and the structure of the skeleton below them, understanding where they are at balance in your skeletal framework will make a difference in how gentle the support is for the jaw barely resting on the chin rest and the violin resting on the collarbone. No active head weight is needed, but, the height of the chin rest and its ability to allow the jaw to move around on it in different places comfortably and the place of the upper arm (and along with it the forearm) hanging off the shoulder blade are actually the most crucial things to be aware of in "holding" the violin. The hand does not need to be holding the violin but can be thought of as receiving its weight with a mobile arm that adjusts in traveling from string to string and from lower positions to higher ones. Like a swing, one should feel very lightweight in the hand so that the only "holding" is really the reaction to the fingers dropping on the strings by the opposable thumb- the same feeling as in holding a ball or a glass or any object in your hand- the thumb on one side, the fingers on the other. The thumb should not feel the need to squeeze, because the natural slant or tilt of the violin would incline the violin to leaning into the left side of the pointing finger, your first finger, to the right of the neck of the violin.(Obviously in higher positions the thumb becomes the main contact point in the hand and sometimes the palm of the hand depending on the position). The important thing is to let the arm, through something known as humero-scapular or scapulo-humeral rhythm, have the potential to go through its full range of motion. Here is a link which shows this movement but it shows it up and down though this movement can be done forward and backward as part of the pathways the left arm and the bow arm travel. ruclips.net/video/rpzBGlOEW4E/видео.html Anatomically speaking when people refer to the shoulder they probably mean the place where the upper arm joins the socket in the shoulder blade, but, these are all simply parts of a four jointed arm.Though people think of this as the arm joint, the collarbone connects to the breastbone which is another joint and then there is the elbow joint and the joints of the wrist. The collarbone also connects to the shoulder blade via ligaments and so when it moves so does the shoulder blade. The act of raising the arm therefore includes movement in the collarbone, the shoulder joint ( which is really the ball and socket joint in the shoulder blade), and the rest of what people think of as their arm and hand. Raise one, raise them all- lower one, lower them all. They are connected. The point is that one shouldn't feel that the edge of the violin should be pressing into the collarbone and that the hand should not feel like it is doing significant work to hold up the violin. I reserve judgement on the Kreddle cushion until I get to try it and apologize for the long explanation, but I just wanted to express what my understanding is of what moves and what is supporting the "hold" of the violin.
I just purchased one of the cradle cushion and chin rest this morning. I can’t wait to get it in the mail and try it out. Looks like an amazing product. I have been playing my violin without a shoulder rest for roughly 2 years now and enjoy the freeness much more than when I used to shoulder rest. I have had difficulty with filling the space between my collarbone and chin. I’m pretty confident that the kreddle chin rest and cushion will help me find a good fit.
I tried Cushion with my normal wooden chinrest. I liked the added vertical height. But I did not like how it sticks out beyond violin edge horizontally. My jaw could not reach my chinrest comfortably then. Maybe it works good together with Kreddle chinrest sticking out the same distance (as it is in this video). I get back to my leather chinrest clamp cover with some added extra height.
My suggestion for the alternative is to use a thin layer of car dashboard anti slide mat padding on your collarbone. It’s not an ideal solution but way cheaper and won’t add extra height and push your violin away from you.
I'm lost and need guidance I use a Wittner centre mounted but want to try the kreddle do I buy centre or side mounted I'm getting frustrated with changing shoulder rests and I'm thinking the kreddle could work for me also I'm 6'4" so long neck comes standard 🤣 if you can help thanks!
I would recommend the side mounted kréddle--that way you can move the whole chin rest as a unit back and forth along the edge of the violin, which will be beneficial for anyone with a longer bow arm. Generally, the longer the bow arm, the further away from the tailpiece the chin rest should be mounted. This allows the bow arm enough room to attain a neutral right wrist, as opposed to the "chicken wing syndrome" (high right wrist and low elbow) which is commonly seen in long armed players, which is detrimental both physically and musically.
Hi Jordan! I noticed that people who purchased your chinrest now got two cups. I have purchased Kreddle chinrest about two years ago but I didnt get two cups. Why? And I see that the cup is very different than the one I have
I would like to add a few observations as follows:
The violin weighs about a pound and about 2/3 of that is resting on the collarbone and 1/3 rests into the hand.
The hand is part of your arm so the muscles that support your arm held up in space where the violin is, are doing the work.
Though they too have the support of muscles and the structure of the skeleton below them, understanding where they are at balance in your skeletal framework will make a difference in how gentle the support is for the jaw barely resting on the chin rest and the violin resting on the collarbone.
No active head weight is needed, but, the height of the chin rest and its ability to allow the jaw to move around on it in different places comfortably and the place of the upper arm (and along with it the forearm) hanging off the shoulder blade are actually the most crucial things to be aware of in "holding" the violin.
The hand does not need to be holding the violin but can be thought of as receiving its weight with a mobile arm that adjusts in traveling from string to string and from lower positions to higher ones. Like a swing, one should feel very lightweight in the hand so that the only "holding" is really the reaction to the fingers dropping on the strings by the opposable thumb- the same feeling as in holding a ball or a glass or any object in your hand- the thumb on one side, the fingers on the other.
The thumb should not feel the need to squeeze, because the natural slant or tilt of the violin would incline the violin to leaning into the left side of the pointing finger, your first finger, to the right of the neck of the violin.(Obviously in higher positions the thumb becomes the main contact point in the hand and sometimes the palm of the hand depending on the position).
The important thing is to let the arm, through something known as humero-scapular or scapulo-humeral rhythm, have the potential to go through its full range of motion. Here is a link which shows this movement but it shows it up and down though this movement can be done forward and backward as part of the pathways the left arm and the bow arm travel.
ruclips.net/video/rpzBGlOEW4E/видео.html
Anatomically speaking when people refer to the shoulder they probably mean the place where the upper arm joins the socket in the shoulder blade, but, these are all simply parts of a four jointed arm.Though people think of this as the arm joint, the collarbone connects to the breastbone which is another joint and then there is the elbow joint and the joints of the wrist.
The collarbone also connects to the shoulder blade via ligaments and so when it moves so does the shoulder blade. The act of raising the
arm therefore includes movement in the collarbone, the shoulder joint ( which is really the ball and socket joint in the shoulder blade), and the rest of what people think of as their arm and hand. Raise one, raise them all- lower one, lower them all. They are connected.
The point is that one shouldn't feel that the edge of the violin should be pressing into the collarbone and that the hand should not feel like it is doing significant work to hold up the violin. I reserve judgement on the Kreddle cushion until I get to try it and apologize for the long explanation, but I just wanted to express what my understanding is of what moves and what is supporting the "hold" of the violin.
Thanks for your detailed explanation of the structure and mechanics of the arm. From what I can tell, it looks we're on the same page.
I just purchased one of the cradle cushion and chin rest this morning. I can’t wait to get it in the mail and try it out. Looks like an amazing product. I have been playing my violin without a shoulder rest for roughly 2 years now and enjoy the freeness much more than when I used to shoulder rest. I have had difficulty with filling the space between my collarbone and chin. I’m pretty confident that the kreddle chin rest and cushion will help me find a good fit.
How did you find it out of interest ? Did you prefer the cushion to a shoulder rest?
Any updates on the kreddle and cushion?
I tried Cushion with my normal wooden chinrest. I liked the added vertical height. But I did not like how it sticks out beyond violin edge horizontally. My jaw could not reach my chinrest comfortably then. Maybe it works good together with Kreddle chinrest sticking out the same distance (as it is in this video). I get back to my leather chinrest clamp cover with some added extra height.
My suggestion for the alternative is to use a thin layer of car dashboard anti slide mat padding on your collarbone. It’s not an ideal solution but way cheaper and won’t add extra height and push your violin away from you.
It didn't work for me. And the fact that my Violin don't fit in its case with the kushion attached stopped me from keep trying to get use to it.
Unfortunately, the Cushion didn't impress me or any of my friends who are playing without shoulder rests. Feels very weird :(
are you still shipping it? im interested in it
I'm lost and need guidance I use a Wittner centre mounted but want to try the kreddle do I buy centre or side mounted I'm getting frustrated with changing shoulder rests and I'm thinking the kreddle could work for me also I'm 6'4" so long neck comes standard 🤣 if you can help thanks!
I would recommend the side mounted kréddle--that way you can move the whole chin rest as a unit back and forth along the edge of the violin, which will be beneficial for anyone with a longer bow arm. Generally, the longer the bow arm, the further away from the tailpiece the chin rest should be mounted. This allows the bow arm enough room to attain a neutral right wrist, as opposed to the "chicken wing syndrome" (high right wrist and low elbow) which is commonly seen in long armed players, which is detrimental both physically and musically.
Hi Jordan! I noticed that people who purchased your chinrest now got two cups. I have purchased Kreddle chinrest about two years ago but I didnt get two cups. Why? And I see that the cup is very different than the one I have
We've been offering the two snap on chin plates for about a year now. You can however order the two new chin plates only at www.kreddle.com/store.
kréddle oh! Good to know! I’m happy with my kreddle! I may buy the cushion too. I think the new chinrest plates are better
Very bad. I bought it.