Dark's clinically insane Lurker strategy vs Innovation - StarCraft 2

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  • Опубликовано: 24 мар 2023
  • SC2 Tournament WardiTV Championship - Dark once again reinvents the Zerg meta as he makes more Lurkers than I've ever seen in a game of StarCraft 2. Innovation doesn't seem impressed.
    StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - WardiTV Winter Championship 2023 - Dark (Zerg) vs Innovation (Terran) - Best of 3
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  • @xTobsecretx
    @xTobsecretx Год назад +77

    “The floor is lurkers” that killed me lol😂

    • @MrYago-xd7um
      @MrYago-xd7um Год назад +5

      Get a hammock, my undead friend.

  • @liverandlearn448
    @liverandlearn448 Год назад +116

    Only Dark could turn an RTS into a horror game

  • @nickv9820
    @nickv9820 Год назад +59

    I just want to appreciate for a moment that this is Oliveira's LITERAL nightmare. He literally had a nightmare about Dark's Lurkers before his championship run, and now we can see why.

    • @ddenozor
      @ddenozor Год назад

      Good thing he didn't have to face Dark then. That nightmare could get to him and we would be denied the epic story of Oliveira.

  • @liger04
    @liger04 Год назад +34

    Dark figured out the perfect anti-terran strat. You can't calldown MULEs when every point of energy has to be spent scanning burrowed lurkers.

    • @joshuakim5240
      @joshuakim5240 Год назад +4

      Nothing quite like exploiting Terran players' weirdly adamant refusal to ever make Ravens outside of TvT.

  • @JohnSmith-zf3yk
    @JohnSmith-zf3yk Год назад +20

    It was like...2+ years ago that I first wondered why zerg never used lurkers more like terran use widow mines. I now understand that idea is tinged with madness and only someone insane could accomplish the task.

  • @kw8295
    @kw8295 Год назад +14

    Innovation is going to be hearing Lurker spines when no one is around and in his nightmares.

  • @RYXPfan
    @RYXPfan Год назад +12

    "Dark probably picks up his half eaten sandwich" had me crying

  • @jarshap2
    @jarshap2 Год назад +36

    that first game was just amazing

    • @vladmatei1958
      @vladmatei1958 Год назад

      Yes it was. What I do not understand is why did they play the 3rd game if it was 2-0 and it was 2/3 win.

    • @Heretiksb
      @Heretiksb Год назад +2

      @@vladmatei1958 First game was played last, after 1-1
      Jimmy fucked up, see 33:50

  • @p_serdiuk
    @p_serdiuk Год назад +25

    Dark went full Sun Tzu in the first one. Won without truly fighting.

  • @tempy2440
    @tempy2440 Год назад +16

    Dark employing some sewer mermaid pyschological warfare there in the first game

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk Год назад +1

      Flo should be proud

  • @theomniscientopossum6350
    @theomniscientopossum6350 Год назад +10

    "Dark manages to lose 92 lurkers and still win the game." - Just Dark things.

    • @ZC.Andrew
      @ZC.Andrew Год назад +4

      My God, that is actually a clinically insane thing to say, and yet it's accurate

  • @mariusmaxximus1520
    @mariusmaxximus1520 Год назад +13

    This is why I love watching Dark

    • @Telopead
      @Telopead Год назад +2

      Yep. Even tho we have raynor and Serral, dark is by far the most entertaining Zerg to watch.

  • @Poputrash
    @Poputrash Год назад +8

    Them Zerg Widow Mines are quite expensive. Crazy games! Thanks for the casting

    • @sneediumminer
      @sneediumminer Год назад

      yeah but a scan is worth 300? minerals so the scan alone almost pays for the lurker
      you're trading 300? + maybe a couple of marines (50-150) for a unit that costs 150/150
      its actually a really good strat if the opponent REFUSES to build ravens

  • @Princip666
    @Princip666 Год назад +9

    If someone used lurkers like this against me, I would get so tilted I'd be rotating towards ragequit in minutes.

  • @Boots43096
    @Boots43096 Год назад +6

    i love the mass lurker strategy, such an underrated unit vs bio

  • @blaskbulwark2881
    @blaskbulwark2881 Год назад +2

    I always wondered how many lurkers it would take to make a Terran run out of scans. Around 100 is a good answer.

  • @DrewMiller1
    @DrewMiller1 Год назад +2

    The first game might explain why Byun sometimes goes mass orbital. Inno just didn’t have enough scans.

  • @austecon6818
    @austecon6818 Год назад +2

    This makes a lot of sense because facing planetary fortresses as zerg sucks a LOT! Mass lurker punishes the terran for not having more orbitals... But then when they make orbitals, it's easier to snipe their expansions.

  • @mechaman7818
    @mechaman7818 Год назад +1

    39:22 I like to think they're all sentient beings, like in Reboot, and someone has to end up rebooting into the role of that Lyote. Not everyone gets to be a Marine.

  • @neilhaggerty1878
    @neilhaggerty1878 Год назад +10

    Dark out here doing a uthermal challenge. Lurkers to gm

  • @zerg_burger
    @zerg_burger Год назад +1

    Love both of these guys

  • @MrGeorgeFlorcus
    @MrGeorgeFlorcus Год назад

    5:39 The Dark Effect strikes again

  • @jondice5916
    @jondice5916 Год назад

    5:42 bile is the craziest i've seen in my 5 years of religious SC2 viewing

  • @JacksonJoseph-Eugene
    @JacksonJoseph-Eugene Год назад

    The lord of Darkness demands blood !
    I love the strategy behind the first game : the early roaches encourages the terran to attack and invest in technology (cloak banchees), but by the time they are here, he has already a quintilion workers while the terran has slowed his economy.
    Then the mass lurkers all over the place has the objective of consuming APM, control the map, and exhaust energy on the orbital (so no mules), when the energy is exhausted, it's the time to attack. He also punished the Terran for making planetaries instead of orbitals. But making orbitals make attacks much simpler. he put his opponent in a checkmate scenario.
    Also it's quite an original strategy and i'm sure Dark wanted to show off a bit. and what a show it was !

  • @djack6318
    @djack6318 Год назад

    39:00 The howlin of The Lye Otie. (I know I spelled it wrong). 41:15 The island of Moo Pe.

  • @youtheneyes
    @youtheneyes Год назад

    Loved the out of order match. That was hilarious

  • @WolfGangDealers
    @WolfGangDealers Год назад +2

    What a busy day! Almost 16 hours since it was uploaded. But that’s okay, Im glad I get to watch this great casting after work

  • @arandomperson8336
    @arandomperson8336 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @jamespidgeon8748
    @jamespidgeon8748 Год назад

    5:40 made holy moly like 20 supply gone with 3 biles…

  • @florianbielawa2919
    @florianbielawa2919 Год назад

    5:42 best bile of all time

  • @redsoxman2008
    @redsoxman2008 Год назад +1

    This is the only channel that I actually hit the Like button when prompted.

  • @alexanderzakorko3446
    @alexanderzakorko3446 Год назад

    Looks great with your comments and emotions

  • @TheBlacknull1
    @TheBlacknull1 Год назад +6

    While I am uncertain of the percentage of people who watch the entire video I am one of those people who do and I enjoy the self shaming at winter's mistake. Thank you for your own clarity and clarifications.

  • @RajeshJustaguy
    @RajeshJustaguy Год назад

    LOLLLL That lurker barrage was glorious and painful lol

  • @dakotarollins7154
    @dakotarollins7154 Год назад

    What a damn banger of a series

  • @jasonnealreed
    @jasonnealreed Год назад

    Those biles were blessed

  • @JohnRobertPotter
    @JohnRobertPotter Год назад +1

    Naming yourself after a machine would most likely be 1s and 0s (snorts and pushes glasses back up nose)

  • @leonardbecker1027
    @leonardbecker1027 Год назад

    I was wondering. If you siege up the lib on the edge of the map, then that might be because if Innovation doesnt pay attention and dark pulls aggro with an overlord. Wouldnt the liberator follow the Ovie a little so it can get attacked?

  • @heldenkatze
    @heldenkatze Год назад

    The Zerg God was Smiling @5:42

  • @austecon6818
    @austecon6818 Год назад

    Great game!

  • @vladmatei1958
    @vladmatei1958 Год назад +2

    Innovation's Reapers are called Mandalorians

  • @CantusTropus
    @CantusTropus Год назад +16

    For the algorithm

    • @godmaxer
      @godmaxer Год назад +1

      For the algorithm!

    • @lewisw3436
      @lewisw3436 Год назад +1

      Praise be

    • @Madafhacker
      @Madafhacker Год назад

      Ah yes, innovation's battle cry

    • @trobertw
      @trobertw Год назад

      For Leonidas! And the brave three hundred!!!

  • @mechaman7818
    @mechaman7818 Год назад

    Maybe to Innovation's robo-eye's that barcode reads as Innovation.

  • @Thulgore
    @Thulgore Год назад

    Okay..........just finished that first game. Holy shit! That literally had to have felt like fighting a 2v1.

  • @sebastianbroscheyoga
    @sebastianbroscheyoga Год назад

    thumbnail should definitely be "the floor is lurkers"

  • @riccardoficarra1551
    @riccardoficarra1551 Год назад

    5:40 ...Did we just see the most cost-efficient Corrosive Biles in pro play or what

  • @JonnyMosay
    @JonnyMosay Год назад +1

    which song is playing at 29:11 ?

  • @SnailBot
    @SnailBot Год назад

    I feel like first game is like carbot animation about lurker

  • @MrGeorgeFlorcus
    @MrGeorgeFlorcus Год назад

    Innovation is like that one rock band from the 70's that still tours doing their most popular 20 or so songs at every concert; nostalgic, competent, a good time to be had, but losing that cutting edge they once had in their heyday.
    Whereas Dark is that slightly younger rockstar whose gimmick is taking random objects from the audience to use as guitar picks, and using them to freestyle on his guitar. It doesn't always work, but it's entertaining and impressive nonetheless.

  • @LexpressionQc
    @LexpressionQc Год назад

    That was a GOOD game one

  • @filipvytrisal1134
    @filipvytrisal1134 Год назад +1

    Dammit Jimmy, Winter is here trying his best to deliver a professional commentary on games and you just can't take any of this seriously. I wonder where Winter finds all this kindness in his heart for you and your sloppy ways.

  • @zonzone6635
    @zonzone6635 Год назад

    Favorite game of the year

  • @klabauther
    @klabauther Год назад

    Who makes the player cards?

  • @doom_heit
    @doom_heit Год назад

    Innovation?! Hype

  • @PerfidiousPuffin
    @PerfidiousPuffin Год назад +1

    Maybe 50 scans at 300mins each. Get a Raven. It seems like the pros never do things like get Ravens because, in theory, if you handle things perfectly, you don't need a Raven, so getting it is putting you behind. But instead you don't handle things even removely close to perfectly, use 50 scans, lose hundred of units, have all your attacks rebuffed losing you the inititive. Just get the fucking Raven.

  • @roncho
    @roncho Год назад

    Damn Dark was literally toying with innovation

  • @tobiasL1991
    @tobiasL1991 Год назад

    Gotta say these games show how much behind the meta Innovation currently is.
    He needed ghosts much much earlier

  • @adamhubbert8896
    @adamhubbert8896 Год назад

    I can say for the first time on a while ive never seen that before.

  • @axthelm
    @axthelm Год назад

    came for the zerg dying, stayed for the NPC existential crisis.

  • @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698
    @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698 Год назад

    A moment of silence for the Lyote and existential crises.

  • @jacoballey21
    @jacoballey21 10 месяцев назад

    if i had to choose a player to take on some deep learning AI...it wouldn't be byun, maru, hero, cure, clem, reynor, maxpax, or even serral. It'd be Dark. the computer would likely just short-circuit on "wtf is this?"

  • @Iseenoobpeoples
    @Iseenoobpeoples Год назад

    8 minutes 8 hatches what a God

  • @zenartvonduke380
    @zenartvonduke380 Год назад

    Maru the Zerglike Terran
    Dark the Terranlike Zerg
    That's how you play lurkers.
    Like in SC BW you spread your tanks like Nal Ra

  • @razerfangegaming8548
    @razerfangegaming8548 Год назад

    There can be only one true SCII caster
    and his name is Winter
    The rest merely try to be what Winter is
    and fail miserably
    The presentation
    The memes
    The personality
    The angry coach
    There can be only one
    and his name is Winter.

  • @Metaspace2
    @Metaspace2 Год назад

    Dark trolling Innovation hard in that first game :-D

  • @banda3111
    @banda3111 Год назад

    Who won?!??!

  • @wilshireanasurimbor3068
    @wilshireanasurimbor3068 Год назад

    Ah, if game 3 was game 1.... you can see the though process of dark for game 2 (game 1 in the order it was cast): "...faster lurkers? faster lurkers." That was fun.

  • @Pbleadhead
    @Pbleadhead Год назад +1

    Game 1: My opponent has nothing but lurkers, but I will never build a single raven or battlecruiser! And I will build even more marines!

    • @JacksonJoseph-Eugene
      @JacksonJoseph-Eugene Год назад

      ravens would have been a trap, easy prey for the viper's abduct. also their only usable ability vs the zerg would have been the auto turret. well maybe it would have worked better than a bio army. who knows

  • @natecw4164
    @natecw4164 Год назад +1

    ***Minor spoiler ... I guess? ***
    Game 1 was like watching a deadlocked war where one side suddenly decided to just say "Screw it!" and collapse their enemy's entire economy. 😂

  • @Number1139.0
    @Number1139.0 Год назад

    It happen to the bests winter don't worry :)

  • @bradleyzum
    @bradleyzum Год назад +1

    Why not build a raven

  • @yugonostalgia8961
    @yugonostalgia8961 Год назад

    Love him (dark)

  • @Zetimenvec
    @Zetimenvec Год назад

    I just want to point out that lurkers cost 200 150 and require tier 3 tech for a 3 supply unit whereas terrans get widow mines at tier 1.5 for 75 25 and can build two at a time as a 2 supply unit, and the only real difference is that one hits all at once in a giant explosion whereas the other one only does DOT.

    • @themosthighvaluemaninthega9048
      @themosthighvaluemaninthega9048 Год назад

      ok

    • @unclenchasbestos
      @unclenchasbestos Год назад

      I mean, a widow mine will kill one marauder out of 8, deal 40 damage to 3 more in splash radius, and then do nothing for 15 seconds while a lurker will murder all 8 marauders in 5 seconds, so maybe there are other differences you overlooked.

    • @Zetimenvec
      @Zetimenvec Год назад

      @@unclenchasbestos Marginal.

  • @Fpsnut
    @Fpsnut Год назад

    Scans cost Innovation a lot of gold. Not something you would see in the lost tab.

  • @mikegamerguy4776
    @mikegamerguy4776 Год назад

    Love the quote: Dark chooses to defeat his opponent instead of mastering the game. He's like drunken master, but Starcraft. Maybe he should get a second nickname. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @ironmonkey1512
    @ironmonkey1512 Год назад +1

    elite bronze gaming

  • @godmaxer
    @godmaxer Год назад

    Dark is the most zerg zerg

  • @habarvaz
    @habarvaz Год назад

    The last game was a good game.
    I am a fan.
    Therefore you should show it.

  • @Devillionaire
    @Devillionaire Год назад

    I mean Ravens were made cheaper and with faster build time for exactly this reason, but Innovation didn’t make any and paid the price.

  • @tatimc6581
    @tatimc6581 Год назад

    Why does innovation keep throwing bio at lurkers though.. not a single liberator battle cruiser or even a banshee would have been really useful

  • @Sakred420
    @Sakred420 Год назад

    Have you ever met an Irish oriental?

  • @Swiftrootsdadudu
    @Swiftrootsdadudu Год назад

    Moar BAR plez. ^^^^^^

  • @StevenMare
    @StevenMare Год назад

    As a Terran player, Zerg is my worst matchup. So I've been watching TvZ games to see what to do. This did not help. :D

  • @arnoldasglobis1692
    @arnoldasglobis1692 Год назад

    byun games feels like he just doing nomal every day work(same strategy every game) and THE DARK GAMES OHH.... every game feels like sc2 is like fresh new game
    Winter, whe ned more Master of the Darkness Games PLEASE...!

  • @adamhubbert8896
    @adamhubbert8896 Год назад

    Really Inno?

  • @jonbauml225
    @jonbauml225 Год назад

    Hi

  • @TroggyPK
    @TroggyPK Год назад

    I'll never understand why terren players keep trying bio against zerg when its been proven for like 10 years that it does fucking nothing 😂😂

  • @lokkiirl4793
    @lokkiirl4793 Год назад

    Lol just build lurkers

  • @Griffin854
    @Griffin854 Год назад

    lousy series for inno

  • @elgar7252
    @elgar7252 Год назад

    Zerg is such a fucking eyeroll of a race

  • @franciscogutierrez4248
    @franciscogutierrez4248 Год назад

    im a clinical psychologyst from Chile. About this clinically insane thing... you are absolutly right xD