Tuning Your Bass Drum - Drum Lesson (DRUMEO)
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As a professional drummer who is neither a drummer or professional, I found this to be very helpful.
Jory Blake You contradicted yourself in the same sentence lol You said you’re a professional drummer then you say you aren’t lol
@@onebadhombre7158 I think he was joking 😐
One Bad Hombre r/woooosh
@@onebadhombre7158 No shit, sherlock
@@onebadhombre7158 you don't fuckin say
I dont play studio or anything. Just in my bedroom. But i have a port hole for the mic in my base drum and my cat sleeps inside my bass lol
I did recently switch it out.
BlizzardHockey4432
hahaha ! my cat LOVES sleeping in my drums x)
BlizzardHockey4432
ever accidentally start playing your drums while your cat is taking a nap inside? xD
This guy is funny without even knowing it! The reason this guy makes good videos is because he hasn't got the stereotypical "my method is all that matters" ego like most of jumped up little pricks in the comments. 😏
lol like you?
Just a suggestion, but when you make these videos, you should show how the drum sounds with no microphone. Let everyone here exactly what they'll actually be hearing.
+Jacob Elsea They actually have a video demoing all of Evans kick drum heads with close and room micing..
Do you have any special recommendations for tuning silent stroke heads on the bass drum?
But is the cameras microphone even what you'd hear if you were in the room?
Larry Tate depends on the camera mics frequency response
Jacob Elsea just a suggestion, you should shut your fucking mouth.
I like turtles too
Me to
Same
@UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH7 I would put it on a similar spot to where mine is. That is the industry standard.
Jared, I am a teacher and on call drummer who has been teaching and playing for 49 years, in all styles. I've watched many videos and used quite a few with students. I can say with gusto that I echo so many of the comments here. Your videos and teaching are unpretentious, substantive, insightful, and thoughtful. You anticipate the common questions that developing drummers have, and answer them clearly, honestly, and humbly. I wish that I had been able to access your teaching when I started (but there wasn't even an internet then); it would have saved me a buttload of time. However, if we stop learning, we die, and I can say that I learn at least one thing every time I watch one of your videos. Your best quality, although you are obviously accomplished technically, is that you have a passion to help others make progress and therefore a passion for teaching. I share that passion, and so appreciate it in one who does it so well. Thanks for the effort it takes to do what you do and do it with excellence and love for the art of drumming and for those who learn from you. Keep it up, and may your tribe increase!
man i've tuned all my drums with your videos, i respect the patience you have with all these haters out in the internet!
"First thing you'll notice is that i'm using an Evans EMAD drum head." No. The first thing I noticed is that your bass drum costs like 1500$... Damn.
My whole kit was $ 500.00
So damn expensive!!!!!!!!
I've seen floor toms on their own go for over £600. That's fucking madness
dude , even if you just show how you tune it, you are showing the technique on how to tune a drum in general. so thanks it really helped me.
As both drummer for 32 years, and drum tech for 18 of those 32 yrs, i think it's all subjective.. For example , i would personally never put a pillow or any other type of internal dampening with the type of Evans batter head he's using here. Way too much dampening for my taste, but like i said before, it's all subjective. It all depends on the music you play, the beater type, putting a port hole or not, wanting a wide open sound with no muffling (like Keith Carlock) or wanting a studio, pre EQ-ed muffled kick sound, (like Jared's) is all subjective, but all work just the same..There is no "best way" to tune a bass drum. However, for an all around "standard" kick sound, a drum head like an Evans EQ4 or Remo P3 on the batter side, and the equivalent or thinner version equivalent on the resonant side with a port hole for miking purposes for both in studio and live, is the ideal standard, all purpose kick sound that works well in most genres of music and musical situations. This is what Jared is trying to show everyone here with this demonstration, and did a great job of doing so...
+Rhythmista Yes,I imagine Jared always plays in a miked up situation; but I still couldn't believe how much stuff he had in his bass drum!
drum itfy Yes. It is a very pre-EQ'ed sound which seems to be the standard in the industry these days, and of the last 4 decades or so. I will do the same on occasion, or whenever it's required for the musical situation i'm in at that time..
+Rhythmista So as a tech, you would understand the cross tuning method. I'v seen many videos these days where they tune and tension in a clockwise sequence. I was taught very early to avoid tuning clockwise because it can damage your shells (over time) and tune inaccurately. He's tuning in a clockwise pattern so I was curious on your thoughts.
elmercorn Tuning a drum can get tricky at times, and is mostly subjective.. I use my own personal method having observed both drum techs and drummers, and ended up with my own distinct tuning method.. Even as a tech you're never too experienced to learn a more efficient method of tuning a drum.
When i said that i go counter clockwise, i mean direction, consistently going that way but tensioning each lug at every opposite side, NOT every following lug , so i'm actually going top lug/bottom lug, second lug clockwise, opposite bottom lug, and so on.. Also, when i do this, i flip the drum over and repeat the same thing at the same time, following it's top lug counterpart (hope that makes sense to you ;)) This gives a totally even tension all throughout the drum, and then when both sides are evenly tuned, i crank the bottom head with a few half turns to have the bottom slightly tighter than the top head, which is the standard method. Once that's done, i place the drum flat on a hard, or soft muffled surface (this helps in cutting out any unwanted sound and you can clearly hear the overtones of the drum) then proceed to fine tune any lugs that are higher or lower in pitch to and even tuning all around the drum.. Great results.. Hope this helps ;)
Lol douche bag
@kelsomc10 Yes, this has been on my list for awhile, I just haven't gotten around to it. In my Bass Drum Secrets product (search Bass Drum Secrets for more info) I talk more in-depth about that, but I should get something up on here ass-well.
Great lesson. Thank you for supporting our global drumming community.
What size is that bass?
i just think there's too much dampening for that kick. there's already a dampening ring on the head and with three more things touching the heads just defeats the purpose of trying to find an actual tone of the drum itself.
BOI
Lol douche bag
I didn't know Napoleon Dynamite played drums.
Thank you ! I'm french and even if I don't speak english very well, I've understood everything. Erverything is clear and precise so I'm just happy ! Thanks again
hmm but would you say you achieved MAXIMUM THUMPIFICATION????
What do you do with your old heads? would you consider donating them? I have a church and work off a very small budget, your used heads still look good and still have a lot of life left.
@KatiexKIRA Search "how to choose a drum set on our channel here. We have a 60 minute video out talking about that :)
evans heads are great for toms and snares but nothing beats the sound of the aquarian superkick for bass drums.
he has a deal w/ evans if you didn't know
One more for superkick. it's the bass you can feel in your butt
+Julian Boyd I would like to second this motion
+Julian Boyd looks like ima have to this try out, coated or clear?
+Jay Z Coated has a slightly warmer sound and less attack, clear is sharper and has more ;bite;. That's my experience with the single headed models. Never tried the twin headed ones; thought they might be a bit overkill!
@reddogg850 I have one up. Check out the "Auxillary Drumsticks Video" on my @drumlessonscom channel.
Beautiful drums and excellent vids. I like your "old school" tuning techniques and contemporary productions. I think you are thorough,teach without being condescending and are one of the best instructors, online. Props to Victor. THANKS!
it should be goof if we knew which are the settings on the mixing console for your bassdrum. ( and bass drum mike used )
Does anyone think this guy looks like a combination of Nick Swardson (comedian) and Tre Cool (Drummer from Greenday)?
@Gigadrane I am not an expert on this sort of stuff, but in the new year (if the world doesn't end in 2012), I'll be filming a series of videos on the different woods for drums and the sound differences. Stay subbed and you'll get it!
After using your tuning way, my church bass drum sound much more better! Thanks a lot!
@JJMR322 Check the Gibraltar website. They make a ton of replacement parts.
"Sound-guys are gonna love you" Haha yeh that´s the dream! great tips though!
@RogueKovu I would experiment with different beaters. Try plastic or wood. Then go with a clear head as you'll get more attack. That's all I can think of right now.
That's the best shirt ever! How you always have the best shirts, Jared.
This guy knows nothing about drum tuning at all. Rob brown is the master to tuning drums. Let them bad boys sing.
Thank you, Jared Falk !!! :)
@acab1922 It's coming here! It's already up at our other channel @drumlessonscom
Thank you so much for posting these videos. They've helped me a ton.
If you don't have a budget to replace old (but non-damaged) heads, can you remove them, clean the drums and install the old heads and re-tension them? Does this cause problems in the long run? Any feedback would be great!
As long as the head isnt damaged at all, it shouldnt matter. Just make sure there is nothing on the head or the bearing edge (dust, gunk, etc) and make sure the head is sitting in the exact same place it was before
Don't understand why you tune in a circular fashion. I tune by opposite lugs. But whatever works for you, man!
Most likely to keep the rim from warping.
No that would cause warping in a lesser kit. as the other guy said he's got the right idea. Chk out Bonzolium Drum YT Chn. This dude is a mad player that has lots of drums & is very good & funny he did a great drum head changing tuning video that is worth watching showing why you turn in a pattern that hold the head straight down like a car wheel when you have a flat you don't go in a circle its a criss cross pattern or you wheel won't seat flush on the wheel mount = loss of wheel & wreck. 8 lug do a Star pattern 12 lug do a Square pattern oh & seat the Heads too. That's common sense also Bozolium chn he shows te wrinkles where you can see the head being in a bind by sight as well tuning in a circle pattern is going to bind the heads & they won't last as long i.e. hold their tone. = less life more $$$. Same w.Gtr Strings you gotta stretch them seat them don't twist the strings use the right amount of wraps all determines the life & tone of the strings Bass strings are expensive. He can afford to change heads but many can't so unless you have lots of cash or endorsed by a head co. It would serve you to tune the optimum way. The end result is the same maybe like 9i said a lesser kit w/cheap die cast pot metal rings they will warp.
Watchman4u I didn't know that, thanks dude.
Kbuzby19 I thought tuning in a cross pattern was supposed to prevent warping.
Josh Wheatstone it does.
10 Years Later And Imma Say It Is That Brann Dailor
I never knew napoleon dynamite was so so good at tuning drums. Nice sound
I bought a drum key that fits in my electric drill and now changing heads is a breeze. I always torque them properly with my torque key for the actual tuning. Saves a lot of time and tedium!
Jared, you deserve a medal of some sort. I know people that would tell me to f*ck off if i asked them for help with anything about drumming, whether it's tuning or tips to improve my skill, yet you share them so willingly. Your kindness and generosity exceeds that of most people I've seen. Great job.
@KaosGate Be over in 5 minutes...
Great tutorial Jared! Thanks for sharing your tuning techniques! I've been trying to get a rich "thump" sound from my bass drum. Now I have some new tuning "tools" to try thanks to you!
@BrightenHite Why not?
Sounds PERFECT ...............
Sheet info please. Thread count ? Twin or Full ?
@fiend13eight Congrats! They rock!
it seems he likes turtles.
I think he was bullied at school
Ozzy Osbourne why?
Is that you Nick Swardson??
I do enjoy these videos by Mr. Drumeo. Good job. However, in this case I would have to say that in the end you have emasculated your bass drum and it sounds shitty compared to what it would sound like without all the muffling. Of course, don't get me wrong, 99 percent of drummers will be just fine with what you have here. I'm talking about a bass drum sound with a solid punch with all the tones in play. No mufflers whatsoever. Ironically I learned to play completely muffle free drums in college jazz bands. Let them be free. Liberate your drums from the Evil Muffler Empire. You obviously will have some overtones, and many of those can be handled with the way you tune your resonant heads. But mic your drums, such as with an Audix D6, and go through the board. If they must, the sound guy will "muffle" you ... but at least the sonic punch of bass drum will land a body blow to your audience.
shut up, douche
You first.
+Adam S ...What?
corey wicks nobody wants to play college jazz tbh
put the head face down on a flat surface and use a round container or can, press it down hard and use s sharp knife to cut around it.
Fantastic video. I used it for putting heads on a brand new bass drum, and the actual tuning took maybe a minute on each side and sounds great!
Thank you Jared, this was extremely helpful! I’ve been trying to get the fattest sound possible out of an 18 inch bass drum and this tuning method worked splendidly. I appreciate you!
What`s inside the drum?
Hi Bro..! Please Give a Tutorial how to Place A Drum With Its Legs Because I set my bass Drum And when i play it.. my Bass Drum Slides Forward.. and it is irritating.. plz Solve my Problem
E-Mad are fantastic heads, only problem with them is the plastic retaining rings for the foam damper don't last 5 minutes before they split, possibly because the plastic is too brittle to withstand the constant vibration of the kick being struck. Man, they have sharp edges!!
This is why i just get an EQ4 and have it slightly looser than the reso head..
I'm sure you're not the only one who's had this issue, and hopefully Evans will address this typical problem drummers have with the Emad.. A good idea would be to have some type of snap-on- snap-off method with their dampening rings, kind of like what Remo has with their Powersonic..
You should cross pattern tighten the lugs to avoid those wrinkles this is not hate'n on you it's common sense if you think about it if you tighten around clockwise or counter the head will be in a bind & wrinkle . 8 lug a Star pattern 12 lug Square pattern & seating a little will save retuning…same with Gtr / Bass strings. The playing surface has to stretch that science not hate . I love the tone you get I love Evans hydraulic oil duel ply. Nice Drums btw beautiful wood.
Good idea to lubricate your tension rods when you change heads, too.
This guy is awesome
Why does everybody STILL put on a bunch of shit inside of their kicks, even though they got the damn DAMPENING, on the FUCKING EMAD?!
Hi Jared, bit late to the party but hey. I’ve just bought a Tama Club Jam Suitcase to replace my Starclassic (after 20yrs! 😥), it has a 16” kick. Any advice for getting enough beef out of the smaller drum. Not had a chance to play it in anger yet but want to get it sounding awesome. Cheers!
Gee, I wonder why it sounds so good!!!! Stop making tuning videos and using drum mics, This is so false. Try tuning it with no drum mics, Theres a 1000% difference in sounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well .. everything is a matter of opinion... for my taste.. that sound is completely dead..deceased.... could be a 50$ bass drum.. or a 5000$ bass drum.. cant hear the difference..
but.. everything is a matter of opinion... sorry Jared.. I like many of your videos. If it works for you.. all is good.
I watched you tune your bass drum. It appeared that you tightened the driver side a half turn 2 times? Then you said you tighten the resin side higher. Do you go 4 half turns on the tuning rods for that side? I'm really new and sort of wondered if you could specify. I understand it's a personal choice but for now I'd like to try your tune. I also use EVANS & swear by them. Thank you for you assistance. Here is what I
Think you started with? 1 full rotation- in 2 adjustments on the driver side.
On the resin side I'm guessing you did 2 full rotations - in 4 separate adjustments? To make it higher right?
If not please explain.
Thank you again.
James
wow, this realy helped me! i've done so various things to get a great sound for my bassdrum, but i think this is the best!
or "Get a .50 cal bullet past TSA on a domestic flight..."
Evans Emad 2 is all you need and Nothing inside the drum AT ALL!!!!!. Don't forget the Emad system comes with 2 size muffling rings to get more or less damping as desired. No need to put your bedding equipment inside your bass drum at all , only crazy people do this! like this guy in this video!!!!.
Know what type of heads you need first. Type and ply. To style of music you play. Every drum sounds different with a different head used. And inspect new heads when buying closely. Any defects or exposed glue. Remo heads seem to use more glue. I like Aquarian heads for my snare and Evans for my toms. Each makes many types. They seem to be better made heads, less glue. Durable. Usually amuse thinner mill heads on resonate, bottom side and thicker mill heads for batter side. Looser head on bottom resonates more. I usually tighten bottom head more than top head, but this can vary for what sound you like or need. And you tune drums to music you play. And never over tighten a lug or two! You want even tension around drum she'll. Be sure sound edges on shells are clean and even; in good shape. Tighten lugs 1/4 turns in star pattern, not sequentially around the drum. Tunes up better and heads will last. Drum will have more even sound. Proper heads can make a cheap drum sound much better. If you have cheap, ringing shells, try oil filled heads to warm up the sound. I have bought heads in my past and came home, put them on, and sounded terrible. It's hard to tell which heads you like without experimentation sometimes. Then what? You start all over again, and have to try and buy brand new heads again. Not cheap or happy experience. And every drummer prefers their own sound. Just why I went to Aquarian and Evans heads. Like them best. Evans on my toms. Aquarian on my snare. But it's up to you. Been thru this for over 50 years playing drums.
Awesome video, and super helpful. But to be honest, I don’t think the drum sounds good at all. It was very electronic. Was waiting for “Blue Monday” to start bumpin’.
Thank god... I thought i was the only one with OCD about the logos... Haha!
For the guys that come on these comment sections to tell you that you’re tuning techniques are garbage and blah blah. To them I would say, where is your drumeo? Where are your instructional drum videos with 100k’s views? Oh you give in person drum lessons to maybe 3-4 students a month if you’re lucky. Let me guess at some no name music store in some no name town somewhere in America. I can totally see where your expertise never came from. You jaded old divorcée, you became a drum instructor after your failed music career. What do you become when your drum instructor career also fails? That’s too depressing to even ponder.
Just a little too much muffling dude. There’s no resonance at all. Perhaps you have 2 sheets too many? 😅 In general you don’t really want something touching your heads THAT much. It just sounds a little dead, as if the shell isn’t being activated.
Jared, I live in India. My budget is of 30,000 Rs. ($500). Which can be the best drum set in that budget? And please tell me which drumset do you use in these videos?
No, I don't buy it---- Tune the heads properly without muffling--- you can get some great booming sounds which of course rock drummers don't particularly like, not to mention recording engineers,---- fuck em, go listen to some Joey Baron tracks--- he loves a monster boomy bass drum sound, and guess what- it sounds great!!! Then if you have to play a funk or rock gig- simply do this- find a cool looking blanket- throw it over the entire drum---- yeah you heard me-- experiment with thicker or thinner blankets, ( towel) to get the feel of it ---- it works just fine do it you'll see.---
I am getting a set of Ddrums d2 series.Right now I can't afford a new set so I couldn't pass up the offer.Now I am thinking of going with oil heads don't know what I need to use on the bottom yet.First do you think it's okay to use oil heads?and second do I put them on the bass also?I follow you and like the way you do things.I have played for 26 years but had a Pearl drumset and Helluva good sound.And I was told Ddrums that I am getting are intermidiate not a beginner's set and they can be fixed to sound good.I need some fees backs from you.
this man does not age
What you want is an acoustic instrument that responds to what volume level you need , unmixed bass drums that are able to breath and sustain are what you trying to achieve. In the mix with the band there is nothing better than a bass drum holding it's own don't kill it to get the sound that you want when it is by itself . Over muffling is a mistake .
Hi Jared
Try the following times: Take a 22x20 kick, an Aquarian Super Kick 2 and a resohead coated without a hole. Then both heads are tuned exactly the same like so: Handthight the rods and then just look that there are no folds are. Thats it. Sorry for my bad english
cool instructive video..... but Evans are always telling us not to use internal muffling because of external dampening rings......and now seeing that you put couple of sheets in. that might feel better to play..... and sound better as well .....
i’m 14 years old playing in a garage band type thing, we all are young teens scrounging for money for all the expensive equipment for the band and i just hated the sound of my bass drum and it sounds a lot better now regardless it’s a cheap drum with bad heads. Thanks!
What's the thing called in the bass drum? The object thats dampening it? Sorry, I know that's a dumb question Haha
Thank you! Absolute beginner here, and I've been f&(%ing with my pedal for days. Much help!
I used to waych this guy all the time when i was a kid he was basically my free drum teacher. Finally out the army and bought a beginner drumset and gonna build my own kit again :). Getting nostalgia watching this guy. Thanks jared for helping kids like me for free. U made me a better drummer
Hey Jared! I was wondering how you put on the kick pad because I can't seem to find anything else on the web on how to put the stupid thing on! I am a very big fan of you and I love your lessons! I tried taking the paper backing but I can't get it off! Any suggestions?
Just hook up your pedals, and put your eq patch where the beaters hit
And the adhesive should just peel off
Or if the adhesive isn't coming off, I would just go on ebay and just buy another eq patch. Best of luck 🥁
@@justinwalker6902 thank you. After 8 years, I have figured out how to apply one of these 😂 perfect timing!
Bad Ass video partner! I got so much out of this and to be honest I thought you were full of it till I got mid way, I felt like the Karate Kid finally getting what you were showing. Bravo!!
hey man i like your videos on tuning and i love the way your toms sound, i have a questions, im using the level 360 evans heads on a mapex maple/walnut shell, i like a more of a fat sound (deep) out of my toms, i cant quite figure out what im doing wrong they sound weird, im tuning them low as i can go without showing wrinkles, i have also tuned them same pitch and ive tuned them bottom head a little tighter, i have a 12 14 16' toms, what do u prefer?
Hey buddy just got cheap set for 300 bucks used its still a good one CB
Anyways i have a gig on sunday and this thing sounds horrible lol
Sounds like a paper bag but its tight at the same time?
Why don’t you just use a cardboard box as a bass drum with all that dampening? 🙄 I use that exact Evans batter head, that is all you need if tuned properly.
On my left double bass pedal I get a terrible studder rebound when the beater hits the head. The right beater is fine. Maybe head is too tight? Just too bouncy. The axis a2's kick absolute ass, but I can't get rid of that left side studder. It's like when you press the beater against the head instead of getting one thump, you get many little thumps before the beater settles down against the head. Because of this, when I play fast double bass, it sounds distorted. Maybe the head is too tight?
Hi Jarrod,
I am planning to have our band logo made to place on my base drum, some have said it should be printed straight on the brim head, if I got a stick made the size of my base drum head and stuck it on would it effect the sound of the drum ?
Cheers Wayne
Nice to see how someone else does it. Being set up in a tighter home (bedroom) space I'm in the habit, when replacing the beater head, of tuning my resonant head, the placing any sound dampening pillows in the drum then tuning my beater head into my resonant head. It's a space constraint motivated methodology.
Hey man, Don't make excuses for the haters on here that are gonna say you do it wrong. Because they asked how YOU tune your bass drum because they like the way it sounds. Not theirs,
just yours.
I feel like if you don’t stretch it, it’s gonna dent like a tom😬 maybe not🤷🏻♂️ great video though!
I dont believe you are OCD about this - you forgot to at least mention "check your nuts and bolts inside the drum shell now, make sure they are tight and there!" or something like that.
Of course, some of us dont us e a front head!
Hi I've got a premier apk kit1980 can I achieve roughly the same sound with the evans heads
So tired of Jared talking about his expensive drums...I have a big dong but don't feel the need to say it every chance I get.
I'm a new drummer, once I saw the Evans drum muffler being installed, I turned the video off ... I don't want to watch a tuning video when I don't have the same gear as I have at home.
What's a good Evans resonant head with Evans Hydraulic Blue on the batter side for 22 inch bass?
does the evans eq drum patch damage the felt beaters? specially the black(nylon) one?
I Just picked up the same heads. It was by accident that I looked at this vid. Just from looking, Your kick sounded good, but looked super loose. WEll only thing to do and hook it up and kick some tests through it. Presh you taking the time to vid stuff, I've been playing drums most of my life, but have moved on to focus on other instruments. I still pick stuff up here and there. Great Vids!
i've been having a ton of problems for about two months on a new ocdp kit I bought trying to figure out the right combination between a number of factors, and ultimately always end up frustrated and wanting to toss my pearl eliminator pedal off a highway.
What I am struggling with is getting batter head tension right, spring tension on the pedal, and beater distance all in conjunction with eachother. No matter how many hours I sit there and tweak every option, it never feels right. Please help!
When you first set your bass drum using the spurs, how high should the drum set above touching the floor. I'm asking because I use a PERFECT BALANCE by JoJo Mayer kick pedal and I'm having problems getting the pedal to set flat on the floor; the heel end rises off the floor and I don't know how to correct it so it sets flat against the floor. I'm just a newbie learning how to do things right the first time so I won't run into bad habits. Any help would make Me happy. I'm paralyzed. THANKS!!! :-)