How To Make Your Cheap Drum-Set Sound Amazing
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2014
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The motivation behind this lesson is that Jared and I wanted to give really good advice on improving your drum sound that very clearly applies to ALL levels of drums, even the extremely entry-level kits that most people start out with. It's also important to us that this advice requires NO money to apply, because we know that not everybody is able to invest in new heads or new gear.
My first kit was an absolute clunker, and hearing and seeing what this lesson is about would have made a huge difference back then! We really hope this helps you to get a better sound out of your kit!
We filmed for a long time and discussed MANY tips and tricks and details around each of the points we talked about, but we also wanted this video to be really condensed and punchy, which is why it isn't that long. If you want to watch the full and extended cut, just click here: • How To Make Your Cheap... Please consider supporting me on Patreon! - / cobus 
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@@dvirisarat-roach5601 Can you help me out, please? I've only been able to make a living out of drumming, mixing & content creation for the past 15 years and I'd really like to learn from somebody with more experience.
@@cobuspotgieter apply for a position at Walmart or a gas station.
@@dvirisarat-roach5601 yikes bro
@@dvirisarat-roach5601 you are just a jealous hater
Little do they know... Toilet paper is gold in 2020
LMAO
David Lara I was just about to write that my friend!!!! haha
That's Right sir
Hi from 2022
little do you know its about to get a whole lot worse🤣🤣🤣
this is why my goal in life is to bring a company with affordable, good quality drums to less fortunate people. Drums are my life and my expression. I went too long without them because of expenses. I think the market is in need of this desperately. Even if it means very little profit I'd be happy to know some kid can get a good quality set for as much or less than am Xbox. Musical expression is the best way to strive for more
I like you.
i feel you man
+Zachery Pardue Ebay exists...
+C&S Aviation not everybody wants used drums. Some might not have internet, I didn't.
Zachery Pardue There is nothing wrong with used drums. My first set was used. I got it for £120 (US$171.08 ) and they're still sounding and looking good today, 7 years later.
0:16 = before tuning
9:55 = after tuning
so my drum kit went from st.anger to Dave Lombardo in 5 mins thanks!
Hahahahaha!!!
ExoTic mine didn't
Lake SuttonButtons wut
ExoTic, same here
Slamming Brutal Blackened Technical Death metal WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
$125.00 for that kit with all the hardware and a complete set of cymbals, I find that very hard to believe ?.
It's definitely possible- last year I bought (on Craigslist) a PDP set in brand new condition, barely even touched, along with an extra piccolo snare, a Zildjian A 16" medium/thin crash, a Sabian XS20 20" ride, and the rest B-8's: hi-hats, 8" splash, and an 18" crash/ride. All for $100- deal of the century. ;)
daren1234valdez
I got mine on Craigslist- this guy was renovating a house he bought, and he just wanted them out of there.
thanks man
that's what i was thinking
My first kit brand new from the music shop with cymbals was $135.00. I wanted to try them out before I took the leap. Well, I've since purchased a DW Pro-Kit, spent almost $2,500.00 on it, and the nice thing is I'm adding to it all the time.
Bottom line is playing an instrument of any kind doesn't have to be expensive... Your budget and imagination is the only limit.
As an older drummer and someone who remembers my first 'clunker' I very much respect and appreciate the time and effort you fellas have put into helping out younger and, not necessarily by association, budget conscious drummers. Kudos fellas! What a generous use of your time, talent and expertise to help other musicians enjoy their instruments to the fullest - drummers 'sticking' together. Hats off to you both.
Peter Kalfas very nice comment from the Philippines.
1: buy new heads
2: tune it
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
3. Branded cymbal
Evan's level 360 drum heads for it
That's a ridiculously good buy for 125 bucks lol
TheTrueHappy I got mine for free and even after tuning it sounds like a dead dog
TheTrueHappy I was thinking the same thing
Idk Man HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
Mine had 2 cymbals with it and it was 300
lol
I've been playing drums for years and know all of this stuff. I wish I had this kind of info back in the day. No internet in the 90's It's awesome that you guys do videos like these to get people started. All great tips. New drum heads will make a HUGE difference though. Save for those first. Sabian XS cymbals are inexpensive and are a HUGE jump in quality. Not the best but they sound great for a more than fair price. XS is the best value for anyone looking to upgrade. They don't sound cheap.
Cheers from Canada.
Well said! These videos are for those who are starting out and need quick, inexpensive ideas to improve. I too have been playing for many years and would have loved this kind of help when I was just beginning. Major kudos to Jared and Cobus for your contribution to drummers everywhere (and your patients with all the morons who leave negative comments)!
I have a 16" XS crash in my kit and I love it. I also have two Metal X cymbals, a 16" and 18" crash. I like the XS better than the Metal X.I run Sabian AAX hi hats and AAX stage ride,and a AA med thin 18" crash and a AAX splash. I have another kit with some mixed cymbals, and one is a B8 Pro which I don't care for. Even though B8's and B8 Pros are the cheapest, even for a beginner I would at least start out with the XS 20 series. Then progressively work your way up to AAX and HH series. I stay with Sabians pretty much, but I do have some older Paistes from the 3000 Rude series that they don't even produce anymore. Plus a set of 1000Rude hi hats. I won't part with those.
Acoustic drums are the best. I would not have an entire kit of electronic drums only. I would have a couple of the Roland mesh head kind for effects, but not a whole kit of them.
What drum heads do you recommend
D Jay I personally use Evans EC2's on toms, Evans's Heavyweight Emad on kick. And Remo Coated Embassador on snare.
How to make a cheap drumset sound good
Step 1: Be Cobus
Step 2: You're done
Why are you not at the top?
Cobus is overrated
hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha actually lol
I agree
Damn you guys 🤣🤣🤣 My drum kit has been collecting dust for 10 years with me banging on it from time to time.
That video made me want to tear it apart completely, cleaning, tuning and trying new placements.
I've been at it for over a week and it made me want to play a lot more now. I am having fun again, even laid flooring, ceiling and wall decorations so it looks like a little studio haha
So, thank you...I guess? ;)
FUCK THESE DUDE HAVE SOME DRY HUMOR.. HOLY HELL.
I actually got a really cheap drum set from an auction and they are so beautiful! - They are pure mahogany and are hand painted with a japanese sound. Bass, three toms and a snare drum for only £35 pounds!
Jeeze that's a small amount of money, nice,
What kind of kit is it? (What brand? Or is it something someone made at home?)
I think it was hand made from a drummer in a band who makes instruments for a living
Nice, Gretsch is my favorite brand but they're usually about 600-1000$,
it's nice to find cheap nice drum kits
The Slayer 2806 why...?
The Slayer 2806 nice logic... i actually have 3 male friends who play drums so im sorry mate
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I loled so hard ololololool dont know why jajaja
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa o my goodddddddddddddddddddddd......the fuckin ejaculation video
Always nice to see when you keep things on the cheap and show folks how to do it with what you've got when you have to! Thanks!
Next episode: how to make your cheap guitar sound amazing? Tune it.
Next next episode: how to make your voice sound amazing? Sing in tune.
savage
jhaha
Fucking funny as hell! No shit, they literally just tuned them. Haahaaahaaa
The what is easy if you know the how.
So cool man - You say the things people who aren't assholes won't say and it really makes the internet a better place. As we all know as drummers/musicians it is always best to ensure we make people feel stupid when first learning. And it is just icing on the cake if we can take those folks who are trying to help others down a peg or two. I mean what kind of loser puts together a video designed to help noobs. AmIright? You keep being a dick and you'll go far.
The fact that you recorded the video in a proper studio with pro mics made a big difference in being able to hear the subtle changes from tuning. Well done.
he got that complete kit including pretty well conditioned sabian cymbals and stand for $125? Yeah dead on... I need to move country.
Looks like he got i second hand. Not from a retailer.
Even still second hand Sabian cymbals in okay condition still sell for about £50 in the UK.
Yeah, he got a really good deal on them. But the B8 series are the cheapest of the Sabian cymbals.
Richard Clemson complete set of B8 is still going to be at least $200 so they did pretty well even if those drums are used
My point exactly Zach... thats some fucking bargain.
these 2 guys are great together. i love Cobus' videos and also the Drumeo ones with Jared and putting them together is just brilliant!
thank you. this helped me a lot. I wasnt sure I'd buy an expensive drum set or not. now I finally know what to do to make it sound better. especially the tom drums I really wanted to know.
Great video, thanks guys. I'm a longtime guitar player but new to the intracacies of drum kits. We recently bought my son an entry level kit, and its very similar to yours. I can't wait to share your video and apply the lessons to his kit!
Excellent video I've been playing for almost 50 years and found this educational. Good job
I bought a cheap drumset 2 years ago during the pandemic era and I decided to tune it up until I got the perfect sound for myself.I prefer wet sounding drums than dry sound, because it's not really noisy when you played around your neighbourhood area.The kit that I bought and played on cost MYR1650 (Malaysisn currncy Ringgits).This tips that I watched for years has helped me a lot.Thanks to Cobus and Jared Falk of Drumeo for the tips.Greetings from Malaysia to both of you..
Thank you so much Cobus, I'll apply this on our church drumset, I hope someday I have my own drumset too. God bless you.
If you are pro drummers, you apparently forgot the first rule of being any type of drummer: ALWAYS TUNE IN A STAR PATTERN. Circle tuning can make certain spots of the head weaker at a faster pace of use, and just also isn't a good habit. Fix that asap lol
so, uh, tune it?
***** I don't understand what you're asking lol. Reread my comment then ask again or explain what you're asking. If you're asking to tune it (which is how you worded it) then yes obviously
That seems to be the entire point of the video: TUNE THE DAMN DRUMS. Which is obvious for a $200 kit or a $2,000 kit. Don't get me wrong I like these guys and Drumeo. Well done. I play a cheap kit (proudly) and I didn't really get that tip that gets to that "amazing" sound?? Did I blink and miss it. Tune your drums...tune your drums....got it.
***** no no no, we all got that part. You must've misread my comment, because I was pointing out they forgot to mention the #1 rule about tuning, which is to always tune in a star pattern, as I further explain in my original comment
cyborgagent6 Yep star patern is 1 rule of every damn screwing 2 things together not only to tune drums.
I like the first sounding drums :D
wtf kid?
Vintagey sounding
One word: awesome. So much better with the medium-rookie and the semi-pro, makes the tutorial vid come off just the right way. Informational and useful.
Awesome video guys! I did the pillow thing back when I played some twenty years ago, but for my toms I used dead ringers. I actually think I may have used a pillow in my floor toms as well, but can't recall for certain.
What you guys reiterated over and over about the heads being so important is spot-on. My snare sounded like I was playing a hub cap, but I bought a double-layered head with oil in it, and I was absolutely stunned at the difference.
Keep up the good work guys, the video was thoroughly enjoyable.
$125 bucks for that?? I would've bought the set just for the cymbals and hi hat!
+Alex Teagle ikr ._.
+Alex Teagle Yeah if you look hard enough, you`ll find a meth head musician desperate enough to sell their kit for dirt cheap.
+Alex Teagle Maybe it was just a fluke. They may have stumbled upon someone that got a set as a gift and didn't know the value. It's happened. But you're right: it's unlikely. Maybe the drums, but the cymbals are worth much more than that.
+Alex Teagle Guys seriously? Did you see the condition of cymbals and of drums? Obviously the drums cost 125 and the cymbals were just added to the kit by Cobus...
+Mark EM yeah, I was able to buy this Pearl vba with Meinl 5pc Classic customs and an iron cobra double beater 900P for $400. Amazing things you can find on Craigslist lol.
Love the snare wire trick !
I was just given a cheap set recently and was worried about being stuck with a cheap sound. Thanks a ton for these tips you guys!
I did this with my set and it really did help A LOT! Thank you so much, I was so clueless as to how to make my crappy Yamaha set sound better.
my first drum set i found in a skip no joke it was a old premier royal kit from about 1960's with zyn cymbals took it home with me and started to learn to play them i have made so many friends because of drums opened up a new world for me learn to play drums because every band always looking for a drummer theres plenty of guitarists and basses singers but drummers are always hard to find. And if your a good drummer you can make a good living out of playing.
I tried playing with full, 100% confidence and conviction and I still suck!
+Bred Saint But hey!, now you have the conviction that you suck!
+yeco
Either way my neighbors disagree, f@ck!
Bred Saint 😂😂😂
Bred Saint practice. If you don't have rhythm tho your fucked lol born w talent is the key really. It's like breathing or riding a bike
@@snakepliskin23 More like breathing, you can fall off a bike.
Thanks guys, just starting lessons, got my own cheap kit (in the kitchen) and this helped a lot!
First Video that shed light on drum tuning for me...thanks!
Great tips, guys. Here's another: when tuning any 2 headed drum, in order to clearly hear each head, it really helps to dampen the head that you're not trying to hear. ie: when you tap both heads separately at 4:45, we're actually hearing both heads ring even when you just tap one head at a time. Thanks!
I never thought of that. Good advice!
I'm not a drummer but I like drumming and the instrument.
In my opinion, this is really helpfull for "new" drummers. (:
Amazing what tuning can do! Thanks guys. Happy drumming!!!
"it means playing with conviction"... thanks Cobus love this.
Notice how the second beat he did was more complicated than the first one to make it seem like they did a better job at making it sound good
The Ger-Man Dynamic players respond to the sound of the instrument. Better tones -> better inspiration -> better playing
My father was a sound engineer and quite a character. He was trying to sell a mic to someone. So, he set up two mics to their sound system. In the first cheap mic he said "six, six, six" then went to the mic with more profit, leaned in and said Eleven! Of course they chose the second one.
@@jamessayer913maybe so, but I don't think it would be too hard to keep a similar level of playing
Next lesson: How to improve microphone quality
Gus Krough
Gus Krough
STEALER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Parker R u an idiot
That lesson is preceeded by "how not to be a cockwomble in the comments section"
Thanks guys great tips. This will help tweaking my sons used kit
REALLY thanks so much, thanks for all, you are one of my masters, gretteing from DOMINICAN REPUBLIC! I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR CLINICS HERE! AMAZING BRO.
I too prefer the bottom to be tighter if you know what i mean ;)
haventgotoverit 😂
Most of the time, with lesser talented drummers, like myself ;) its not that we want the drum to sound bad. Its just we're not exactly sure how to tune it properly. Maybe we know it sounds bad. But we aren't quite sure what to do about it, just sayin...
I know! That's the frustration! But this video is the basics of tuning. Give yourself time to master this and it will pay off in spades!
Don't forget, with the band playing, out in the crowd, people don't hear the overtones or annoying ringing many beginners don't like while behind the kit. I had to learn that back in the day. I thought other guys sets sounded terrible, until I saw that they had the same tuning and tape I had. Went home and tore all the tape off. Get used to that sound, and remember that the crowd hears something a little different. Muffle your drums for your own ear, and they sound like cardboard boxes to a live crowd. Let those suckers ring loud and proud!
I am only a begginer at drumming, I play drums only for like 2 months, and I love it sooo much...
Really good info. I've been playing for around fifteen years, but always good to learn something new.
People who say it's all because of the recording equipment, did you think it sounded good with the $800 at the beginning of the video??! No! It sounded like shit! Then they tuned it and showed a lot of useful tips and tricks and it made it sound much much better with the same recording equipment. Is it really THAT hard to believe these tips work on a cheap Craigslist drum set? You should actually try it or hand your kit over to someone who knows what they're doing because there is no BS in this video.
Ever heard of mixing?
oh snap!!! who says that anymore?
he does
Do not doubt The Cobus! :)
That offends me .... OH SNAP ! ....
IDFK
Yeah, it's dated, but it's OK. He's a good drummer and English isn't his first language.
Good tips.
On my cheap drums, I had a wrapped finish. I ripped that off just because I wanted them to be a different color. Lo and behold, they sounded amazing. The vinyl wrap killed all the resonance. They already sounded a lot better.
Newer, better heads did wonders. No muffling whatsoever most of the time, or I'd use an old head, cut the contour and use it as a muffling ring. Freebies are good.
I did this on my kit I got recently and it sounds amazing!! THANK YOU
I'd really like to see you guys do a video on tuning drums for different styles, especially jazz. Also I don't know how much you all would agree but I don't think adding cymbals to a kit will help a kit sound better. Personally, after my nearly 15 years of playing, I've strayed away from adding cymbals. I'm down to a very versatile ride that crashes and rides really well and a pair of washy hats that bark and splash really well. Between that and playing on a 4 piece my set up time mics included went from nearly an hour to 40 minutes to now 20 minutes since I've found that less is truly more. I think young drummers really need to learn the concept that if you can't make a few drums and cymbals sound good, you definitely will make a lot of drums and cymbals sound worse.
I'm down to a 4 piece as well, sometimes a 3 piece. I have a ride, crash, and hi-hats. Much simpler to set-up, and challenges you to be creative with your playing.
Heyitsbacon
I've got a twin bass 6 piece kit and can play a smaller kit just as well as my bigger kit.
***** "OK drums with great cymbals is way better than the reverse" is 100% true. Good skins chosen with wisdom, good tuning, and judicious muffling will make pretty much any kit sound good. Hell, as this vid shows, just good tuning makes a massive difference. I ought to know - I've been playing a CB kit. ;)
But you can't tune cymbals! That CB kit with B8-level cymbals would sound like ... well, if I said what it'd sound like me ma would fetch me a ding on the ear. But that CB kit with the mix of pro-level cymbals (Sabian AA and AAX) I'm using, that actually sounds good to me and listeners.
Definitely, having good cymbals can make the kit sound so much better. However, I just meant at the end of the day, quality over quantity is key
Tape and TP? NOOOOO! Crappy but round shells, decent heads (REMO), a good tuning job, a towel (no pillows!) in the bass drum, and some old Zildjian A's. Nice live and natural drum sound. If you add crap cymbals, it's not a good thing. I just got some ZBT's from a drummer who passed, couldn't even keep them to honor his memory. Traded in, traded up. My Zildjian's are the pride of my musical life.
When I got my first real drumset I wore out the batter heads on my toms so I just flipped them over and played on the reso head lol
Thomas Neal Lmao
You could have just got new heads
Don't try that on the snare.
I’ve been a fan of the Drum Dial ever since a friend and fellow drummer introduced me to it a couple of decades ago. Much more effective than tapping the heads with a drum key. Moon Gels are awesome for taking out overtones without dampening the resonance of the drum.
Adhesive backed dense foam tape works great. Much better than tape and TP. I also ran thisfoam around the i sode edge of the resonant head of my kick drum and it helped a ton.
This is absolutely hilarious. Before sounded far better; it went from bright and open to canned and generic. Way to go! Fucking hilarious.
Yeah wtf is all this shit about "getting rid of overtones"? Since when would you want to LOSE overtones on any instrument? Most high end instruments are considered good because of the overtones. From drums mainly the snare is something you really want to have nice rich high overtones. And here they tell you to put tape on your snare...
***** I get rid of overtones on my drums, gets that dry 70s sound. Some drummers dig that. I actually have a 70s ludiwg kit and I use the little felt mufflers on the toms. I love the way they sound.
I liked the bass drum before it was changed by them.
It sounded like bin lids before. It sounds tighter for recording after, but may not be as good live maybe
gingerleyham I dont know jack about instruments and the overtones they are talking about, but my biggest though was that the first set sounded like it was live and the 2nd sounded like it was recorded. I really dont have the ear for instruments probably part of the reason I never was able to play anything haha
Some better (even just newer, really) drum heads and it would still sound even better. This video is an amazing instructional tool. Tune your drums, kids! :)
This is still the best video on how to tune drums. It's long, but the best! I don't care if you have a really cheap drum set like this one they are using or a high end set, use this method. On high end drums you may find you just don't need the muffling tape as much or at all.
I took my drum set out and dusted it off and have been watching these videos. They really helped. Thanks! I tried to sell my drum set just because I didn't play anymore and couldn't even sell them for $150! People will sell for cheap just to move them. I wouldn't go lower than that so I decided to keep them and I'm glad. I did. Rock on!
The drums sounded best without those tape things. I like a natural clang to the drums.
gels?
+Gorillagamer44 Or gels.
+Invisible Drummer Same here, though the overtones would sound more pleasant on a higher end drum kit.
Thank you so much, my drum set sounded like trash and was considering giving up until I looked this up !
Back in the day, you also taped about a 4" square of 3-4 layer cloth pad on the bass drum where your beater struck it - cut down on any ringing and transferred the strike impact to the drum better.
I've loved this video for awhile. It's simply Tuning 101 for any kit, any level. Cheaper cymbals will sound okay, but can't be improved. But any kit can be tuned up and sound great! All it takes good tuning and a little muffling to get out those ringy overtones. As always you would ideally want to start with new heads. Old heads can be dented and sunk in and need to be replaced because they just won't hold a good tune. But if not just getting a drum in tune will do wonders! Any inexpensive kit can sound nice simply by knowing how to tune it guys! And I feel it is essential for drummer to know how. But I would replace the pillow in the kick with a folded towel in the drum or a felt strip against the head to get more low end. Other than that, it's all good.
guys please dont hit your snare with the drum key. for fucks sake it RUINS heads just use a stick, its what theyre for.
um no it doesn't...
Falcon Powerful It doesn't have the check mark so it is not the real Chuck Norris (yes I know Chuck Norris does not have a youtube account) HES AN IMPOSTOR!
o-oh-okay :D
Gaus Does Gaming Fuck you you don't know anything
lol you trolling??
I used maxi pads under heads. inside the snare and Tom's if I had no dead ringers. lol. Don't tell the world my trick. Oops. I've had compliments from many on my kits. Fyi
Tapes right to touch heads. lol
Robert Clark Used maxi pads work even better.
ura239 Haha. Bet that is rank!
DigitalHamSandwich I can imagine that is a tight sound. EXTREMELY DAMP. nice.
@@ura239 dude wtf
as a drummer getting back into it as a hobby these were very useful for me getting back into the groovy with little pay out
Simply put - thanks!
Tune your drums, damper to remove overtones, and practice...amazing.
Great video, but the lugs were tightened in the wrong order. Like changing a tire, lugs should be tightened in a star pattern, where the lugs are tightened across from each other, instead of beside each other. This ensures uniform tension throughout the head material.
Great video! Something small to add. Combining two cymbals in unison, for example the hi hat and the crash bell, make the sound of them intermix and sound with higher quality. You only need to accommodate which are the sound differences to apply them at the right time. Cheers!
I love the tympani sound the toms make!
You can get drums like that for that little money? Hot fuckin' damn I'm off to Craigslist
Craigslist is for creepers.
*****
You must have had a bad experience. It's always been fine for me.
I got a 6 pc Mapex at a thrift store or $20. It was missing some stuff but it's in surprisingly good shape.
Lot's of wierdo's on Craigslist. I wouldn't bring them to my house. There was even a Craigslist serial killer. Any site that allows an open sex trade is not a site I do business with.
***** - Any site that doesn't allow an open sex trade is not a site I do business with.
No but seriously criminalizing things like prostitution doesn't stop it from happening, it just makes it more dangerous for everyone involved. You know how it is.
Either way, that's why you meet in a public place like a parking lot at a grocery store or a gas station or something where there are other people around.
E-Rings by Evans will change your drum sound SO MUCH!
I have them on all my snares and toms, and they lower the tone of the drum and get rid of so many overtones!
I personally tune my snare with the top head very tight, enough to get the feel and crack I want, but then tune the snare side head very low to deaden the sound and get rid of most overtones for the pure CRACK sound, and since I don't like the sound of the snare TOO high, but love the feel, the E-Ring helps maintain the crack, gets rid of overtones, and lowers the sound!
As for toms, I typically prefer a nice, low punch, with low sustain, so the E-Rings get rid of the overtones, lower the pitch a bit, and keep the punch I love! (as for tuning, I don't really have a set standard for toms, I just mess around until the sound good, and I always get compliments about my tuning).
Now for kick, I use EMAD system all the way, with thickest foam rings all around. I have the batter head fairly loose, but somewhat tighter than the reso head. I tune it until I get the tone I want with a decent punch. And I use my EQ Muffle Pad and make sure quite a bit is resting on the batter head. The pad allows the tone to go through (the force of hitting the drum pushes it off the head), and then mutes it after for more punch, less sustain (it falls back onto the head, effectively muting it).
Hope my comments are helpful to at least someone out there!
Btw, LOVE Cobus and Jared, they're GREAT at what they do, and amazing people!
Evans E-Rings and Remo's O-Rings just kills the sound of your drums. Overtones are not something to get rid off. They are part of the sound and enriches it. Try moongels. They allow you to control how much damping you do on the heads.
They don't kill the sound of the drum. First of all, it's 100% preference. If I want little sustain and overtone (as PLENTY of drummer do along with me), then I'll do so and love the sound, just as EVERYONE who has complimented me does (my percussion coaches, band director, band mates, fellow percussionists, etc). So if I say that I want a dead, low sound with little sustain and no overtones, I'll get that sound, and not care what you say. You can't say "don't get rid of overtones," because it's OPINION and PREFERENCE.
***** You are right, it is a matter of preference. However, a lot of people use the rings as a substitute for proper tuning (I was guilty of that in my younger drumming days). You can just throw them on and it's instantly going to give you a more uniform sound because it has sucked out all the overtone. It can really limit the tonal possibilities and subtleties you can get from your drums though. Once I learned to properly tune, I never went back to a ring.
It can't limit the possibilities and subtleties from the drums, but that's STILL a matter of tuning. If you want to just throw the E-Rings on without proper tuning, more power to you, because that's what YOU like, and no one should care if that's what you like. I personally tune the drums first (slightly higher pitch than where I want them) then throw on the Rings. I prefer a dead, low tom sound, that's just me, and the E-Rings allow me to limit the nasty overtones, but keep the nice ones (which you get from TUNING the bottom head). You can't say they limit the possibilities, because it just removes some overtones, which you can easily compensate for by tuning the reso head.
So let me get this straight - you remove the overtones with the rings, then add overtones back by fiddling with the resonant head. [scratches head]
I fully agree that you should do what you like. If it sounds good to you, go right ahead and do it. But I really must insist that your justifications make sense. ;-)
This video is AMAZING! Thank you!
This is PRECIOUS! Thank you!
just watched this and the emergency TP joke hit a little different...
Haha I'm sure
11:51, *cough* Lars Ulrich *cough*
he has poor mixing
RayanFgt loooooool
Way back in the 80's i used self stick Kotex to Quiet my kit because I lived in an Apartment :) worked great
Thanks guys. This was very helpful!
Damn 125 for that drum set, it looks awesome
My snare wire keeps doing crackle sound, when im hitting all the toms, i dont want tighten up my toms or the snare wire, are there other ways to stop snare crackling when i hit toms and bass?.
If you dont want to change tuning at all, you can try just moving the tom away from your snare. Sympathetic snare buzzing is almost inevitable though, and will generally not be noticeable when playing with a band.
Try to move your drum set to another room and play it. Maybe echo make snare buzzing
in some ways this is a horrible bit of advice but its worth a try, sometimes if its the high tom causing issues then of you sligghttlyy detune the lug closest to the snare then the high tom shouldn't make as much snare buzz as its giving off a more messed up vibration towards the snare, if it makes a big differance to the sound of the tom then dont do it, give it a try anyway, only takes half a second to see if it works or not
Pedro Chinga ¿Y asumes que él habla español? No es muy brillante de tu parte...
if you loosen up the 4 tension rods near the snare wire then it will get rid of the snare wire buzz. i had the same problem.
Great info. Thanks, guys!
Thanks Guys!!
Dude, I think the first "before" take sounds amazing. Its the sound I'm going for, I hate the
"nice/professional/studio" sounds of a lot of expensive kits. I'd rather have lots of ring, crack and vibration.
So basically, tune them?
and get better heads
yes, now that you know how.
I love that Drumbeat You are making
This is a must for beginners trying to get started with a band. Nice vid!
6:45 My OCD kicking in: The logo on the bass drum isn't aligned anymore... arrghghgh. ;) ;) ,)
My girlfriend found this neglected Percussion Plus drum set at a garage sale for 75 dollars. I went and checked them out and offered the guy 50 bucks and he took it. We took them apart and cleaned and polished them. I tuned them and put some muffling rings on them and they sound good now. When I replace the heads they will sound great. The cymbals are really cheap, the pedals and hardware aren't that great but they work ok. For 50 bucks im amazed at how good the drums sound.
My second drum set was a Percussion Plus. :')
Was it a decent drum set for you?
Thanks a lot. I love your videos, they are nice and very instructive... Always fun ...
Great video. Teaches you a lot about simple things you can overlook.
Tune drums, use expensive recording gear, and have a decent audio engineer who can mix and master your kit that's being played by a professional. Sounds too easy...
Or like..you know.,. Buy better drums
truth!
+Thefiredragon99 What if people have a budget?
When 3 mics, specifically one of them is an SM57 is now expensive recording gear...
LukeBogart Three $100 microphones isn't cheap.
My tiny house requires that I play an Electric kit ): But at least I don't have to tune :D
This is a help and Learning thank you guys!!!God bless
10 years, and yet still helpful. thank you.
9:05 in 2020 it's cheaper to just buy the moongel.
ALWAYS tune in a star pattern. Never go around in circles
+Mark Juliano To be honest, this isn't actually as important as many people think it is. Even the founder of Aquarian Drumheads has said it's not important on mylar heads, compared to calfskin heads.
Personally I still do it because I think it allows for more consistency when first tuning a head, but once it's on the drum and within the ballpark, I'll just go around it. I've never had any trouble with stretching or getting a good tone doing things this way.
It might be more important on Remo heads though, given their tendency to stretch and pull out of the hoop.
Its all about tension consistency. the star pattern yields better results. Not only for the sound but for feel and rebound too.
There are so many factors to consider with rebound that I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions - the action of top and bottom heads resonating with each other, different tunings, humidity... But to be honest, I don't actually care that much, I tune my drums so they sound good; and rebound... well that is whatever it turns out to be once the heads are in tune.
that's it man, there ya go
@@sn47som i always tought that tuning in that pattern prevented the ring from crooking from one side
The tuning tips will help, I had no clue how to tune when I first got my drumset!