[MKWii TAS] N64 Bowser's Castle -
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- NOTE: This TAS is prelim (preliminary, so not fully optimised), and has multiple known improvements, which are listed below. Please do NOT consider this as the final/perfect TAS, as it will definitely be improved in the future, and will be linked in this paragraph when improved. There are also 10 authors of this TAS, who are listed below too.
This is a tool-assisted speedrun (TAS). Played on SwareJonge's Dolphin 5.0 LUA Core v3.3/v3.5. Tools used: slow-down, savestates, frame advance, TAS input, TAS code, RAM watch (info display), LUA scripts, text files, and LuigiM's TAS toolkit.
TAS BKT Cut: -23.092 (against no glitch)
Previous BKT (2:28.208 by Marth): • [MKWii TAS] N64 Bowser... (which at the time of uploading, is the current no glitch BKT)
Music: Xenoblade Chronicles - One Who Gets In Our Way ( • One Who Gets in Our Wa... )
Known improvements:
The supergrind on lap 1 can be set up and performed about 0.2-0.3 faster (found by Marth) by getting a full stick instead of a huge bounce, like we do on lap 3 here
The final section of lap 2 can be improved by 0.016 (found by Campbell), which also carries over to the final section of lap 3 (0.016 as well)
Carrying from Campbell's improvement, the lap 3 supergrind can be setup and performed about 0.1 faster (found by Marth), and everything past the fourth turn can be properly optimised (this is the next step, as it allows for more of the run to be completed more optimally, and is what we are focused on in order to get a better TAS out sooner)
About the run:
This is a re-encode of the 2:05.226 prelim TAS from February ( • rBC - 2:05.226 ) that was completed by taking the progress we had made on lap 3 before we had to restart it due to Campbell's lap 2 improvement. Of course, the end of the run was done in one attempt without splicing the fastest known ending at the time (which was the end of the 27.346 glitch flap), so I spliced in the inputs from that run on to the end of this run to bring you the fastest known time we would had been able to reach before we chose to restart lap 3 and kill the project.
Looking forward:
In a few months, we will probably be finished with the redo of lap 3 (no promises though, we aren't working on it actively right now, so it's just a guess), and therefore will be able to release the second attempt at a 3lap, which will hopefully be a sub 2:05 (which is awesome). If we're lucky, we might have motivation to redo lap 1 as well after that, which could take until next year to complete. Since lap 1 has at least 0.2-0.3 improvement, if the lap 3 improvements don't allow us to get the sub 2:05, then they will absolutely allow it.
Explanation of "WIP History" (because there will be questions):
10th - Zak's former NG BKT
9th - Marth's current NG BKT
8th - Logan's RTA WR (fastest time ever achieved across TAS and non-TAS at the time)
7th - Joke TAS by Bryce, made by editing the end of Logan's WR, so that the fastest achieved time was actually a TAS
6th - Slightly more serious TAS by Jellopuff, made in the same way, but by doing decent driving on laps 2 and 3 as well
5th - Joke TAS by myself, made during Ejay's and my ultra SC challenge, by performing the lap 2 glitch solely with my own input, and driving a prelim lap 3 (even doing spiral skip)
4th - The first ever attempt at seriously making a prelim lap 3, once lap 2 was finished, which I performed in call with Ando aiming to get a palindrome
3rd - Another significant prelim attempt, made after we had optimised the supergrind on lap 3
2nd - The most progress we ever legitimately made before restarting lap 3, made after almost making it to the staircase lap 3
1st - The most progress we have made so far, and the video you are watching (the chosen mii name is due to the fact that I could have got the 0.110 improvement in February but couldn't be bothered to)
Collaborators:
@MarthTAS, @Malleo , @mkwLuke, @MKWiiTomas, @EjayB, @ancientmkw
Citrinitas ( / channel )
Wade474 ( / @wade474 )
Monster ( / @monster3rum )
Thank you to:
@09cf, for finding the lap 2 barrel roll glitch strat ( • [MKW TAS] N64 Bowser's... )
Marth, for finding the lap 3 shroomless spiral skip ( • shroomless spiral skip )
@Jellopuff_TAS, for finding the lap 1 supergrind strat ( • Huh )
Don Capri (www.youtube.co..., for the inspiration for the grounded hop strat before the staircase (cdn.discordapp...)
All my TASes (playlist): • MKW TAS
MKW TAS website: mkwtas.com
MKW TAS spreadsheet: docs.google.co...
MKW TAS discord: / discord
![[MK7 European Record, 3rd Worldwide] Maka Wuhu 1:25.884](/img/1.gif)
Please note that this is a PRELIM TAS and therefore is neither perfect nor final by any means. Another improvement will likely come in multiple months. All authors, contributors, and other information are found in the description! Please read it before commenting!
*FAQ answers:*
1. Shroomless spiral skip on lap 3 saves 0.7 on Spear, and loses time on every other combo
2. Bullet Bike can't do the barrel roll ultra method so would lose 4-5 seconds from that alone
3. Touching the grass on the u turn after the staircase is much faster than avoiding it
4. Braking after the respawns is QM manipulation, without which we'd not get that low a trick
5. Prelim starts at 1:51
6. TBD
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Useful FAQ. Great work, y’all.
BTW I just saw this comment and it only had one like at the time of commenting this. I guess your own comment got lost until it got pinned.
@@lowercaseletters_ nah I just forgot to pin it
Lap 3 shortcut caught me off-guard. This is sick, can’t wait to see how this’ll be improved in the future
The input display at 1:12 had me laughing, idk why the analog stick wiggling like that is funny to me
best prelim tas ever released! glad you released it even though it's kind of a tough decision, lol. but best to keep everyone up to date on what strats are being used and an idea of the final time!
This is the only good prelim tas ever
Yea true
Ikr
is bryce's 583 a tas?
@@mk7coinlessrecords105 yes
babe wake up rBC prelim TAS just released
boy i was not prepared for that lap 3 respawn
thats one of if not the most jawbreaking tas i've seen. the glitch setup made me laugh all the way to the respawn glitch, awsome work
Such a cool run! Can't wait to see the final result in a few months
Babe, wake up. new TAS just dropped.
Really Amazing TAS ! :OO
Fell off twice but the fact you did it on purpose to save time makes this even better, great tas bro
3 times* lol
Upps lol
Lol I like Logan and Bryce being on the leaderboard
@zegaltherookie [AW] Bryce made a joke “TAS BKT” that was just logan’s wr with a better last turn shortly after the wr
That was the most random super grind I’ve ever seen
Best music ever
For this TAS, this Bowser's Castle run was not An Obstacle In Our Path
Imagine another GDQ and this TAS being the last track they showcase
I have many things to say about this amazing TAS. The fact that it's only preliminary is crazy. This TAS was insane. The lap 1 supergrinding, the lap 2 ultra, the 3 lap 3 shroomless supergrinding and the shroomless respawn (which was clever) are incredible. Great work to all who helped on this TAS and contributed.
BTW, was that a mini earrape strat at 1:29?
The vehicle just brakes for 2 frames
Damn, this is hype asf
Wtf guys this is soo perfect...in a year or two we will archive the human limit
I was going to say that doing the spiral skip would probably be faster than the bush shortcut because you’re on spear but turns out you can do it shroomless 😳
Thing is, you can’t do more than one respawn shortcut per race if they take mushrooms, as you lose the mushrooms after performing one of them, and obviously we need to do the glitch so that takes priotiy
@@Kierio04 I don’t think l1 glitch is 0.7+ seconds slower.
1. Nice you liked your own comment
2. You’re forgetting that the glitch takes 2 mushrooms and we get to use a third somewhere else.
@@Kierio04 oh
@@Kierio04 just do it shroomless 2/3 then 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😹😹😹😹😹😹✋✋✋✋
best prelim
Amazing
0:56 I find it weird that it's faster to only go for 1 mt on the spiral, most of the time I see people getting 2 or 3. Is it because of the spear drift, or is there a different reason?
spear drift
This is one of the most ridiculous runs in the history of MKWii TAS. It has to be seen to be believed.
Im not even suprised by the tas im suprised by the fact that the game could save the ghost
Finally!
how do you use the MKWII channel to download the ghost? i always get a 103xx error on the wimmfi server.
This is so good to see!
Is it just me or is the release of the final TAS going to be way more hype because this video released?
why do you press brake at 1:30
good qm for rfh trick probably
@@jungleparkway yep exactly
how come all three laps it says 00:00:00 when you complete that lap ?
I’m racing a ghost (which is where the mii comes from) that has exactly the same inputs, so I tie it at all times, never differing from its position
@@Kierio04 how do you make it do that?
bryce beating logan by .001. WOW!
2:03 wouldn't it be "faster" to avoid touching the grass path?
I think you need to slow down a bit there in order to take a good alignment when exiting the second drift in that turn (therefore playing around the bad drift stat the spear has)
No you would have to slow down anyways because of spears poor drift
@@Nico2718_ didn't thought about that, I guessed that it could've been possible
touching the grass patch allows for a second drift to be released and cut off more of the turn. staying super wide and doing one drift without touching the grass is even slower than staying wide and doing one drift through the grass, and this double drift is just that but better
2:21 ?? Make sure to fix this in the final version of the TAS :P. Otherwise this is great
Edit: it's there both laps, so maybe it is intentional. But still weird that a break is required
thats qm manipulation
@@Kierio04 what kinda qm do you need to manipulate in the last 5 seconds
nvm read the FAQ
So it’s faster to do the glitch lap 2 and shortcut lap 3 than it is to do the glitch lap 1 and do shortcuts on laps 2 & 3?
The shortcut is barely faster, and the glitch only requires 2 shrooms so it's worthwhile to use the other shroom somewhere else before falling off and losing it.
Can you make a TAS with a mod that makes your vehicle never stop accelerating? I'd love to see inhuman precision plus incredible speeds. Thanks!
>Thanks!
You spoke too soon because I’m not going to do that :(
@@Kierio04 I- really? Maybe keep it as an idea for later?
Justin is god
He isn't even involved in this TAS
@@AshMK 8th
@@あるふれん O = Logan
@@nokky9824 ミスった
Wow, how much does the lap 3 respawn save?
spear spiral skip vs spear spiral is ~0.7 time difference, pretty awesome huh?
@@Kierio04 does the no-glitch record do the skip 3 out of 3 or 2 out of 3
@@justusschoenmakers8987 0 out of 3
@@Kierio04 is the shroomless respawn faster in a 3 lap ng run? (lap 3)
@@natlus_ unless spear is found to be faster for 3lap, then no
How much the Lap 3 wallclip sc even saves?
Idk why I’m just now seeing this but just wondering…what if you did the glitch lap 1 and did 2 spiral skips? Or does doing the glitch lap 2 save more
I’m pretty sure I answered this in the pinned comment but I’ll check for you in case I didn’t :) in the meantime pls have a look yourself in case I did
@@Kierio04 you did not
Lap 2 glitch is faster because you have the shroom to work with on lap 1, which saves more time than the spiral shortcut
Why is logan on the WIP history?
See description :)
I know this tas has been in the making for over a year, when do you think it will be complete?
Anywhere between 1-3 years and never
:|
Good news
Is the Lap 3 shortcut possible on a normal copy of MKWii?
this is a normal copy
Umm... Excuse me?
i was wondering if this strat for the glitch was rta viable but then i saw the stick at 1:14 W A H T
About that, that has actually been done by humans, but only in a Flap setting
@@goldenwarrior1186 the clip? using that strat???
@@omnitone yeah actually (though I believe they use a different setup to get into the barrel roll state)
@@goldenwarrior1186 nlc?? i never found a instance of anyone doing this rta
@@omnitone the current wr does it
Xenoblade 1
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there is no obstacle in my path (xenoblade reference)
would it be faster to glitch lap 1 so you can do respawn shortcuts on other laps shroomless?
always has been, though in 2020 was only barely. i just did the math wrong, and it wouldn't have made a massive difference (only like 0.1 or 0.2 iirc)
of course, for both IDB and ODB it is by far faster to do 3-0-0 thanks to multiple shroomless respawn shortcuts (at the moment 3-0-0 is required for ODB as nobody has got 2 shroom ultra but it's assumed that's possible and known to be just worse)
@@Kierio04 K thank you