Okay, I liked the cone... however... it was more because of the defensive play. I enjoyed playing safety and reading a worse QB's eyes to ball hawk them. And I always liked playing pocket guys. I agree the size differences were a little ridiculous though. But reading a backup QB's eyes to jump a route and return it for a touchdown... I had always sucked on defense but this kinda gave me the help I needed to do something right
I actually really liked the vision cone a lot. It made Awareness actually matter on QB's. even 20 years later if you find a high throw power & high throw accuracy QB it doesn't matter if his awareness is a 40 and his overall is a 65 he will play just as good as Peyton Manning. I think the learning curve turned people off but I think it was actually a good idea that made the game make more sense. Just because a QB has the physical intangibles doesn't mean they necessarily have the mental intangibles and the vision cone actually made that work.
I wish they had an actual plan for Awareness after this feature was taken out because after this the stat just became a way to artificially lower the overall of players
Genius idea. Loved it. Desperately needs to be brought back. The fact you can’t look off DBs, target WRs based off coverage is INSANE. It’s football 101! There’s no sight adjust, there’s no WRs trying to find the soft spots in zones. High school football teaches this-it’s never been in a EA title. That’s why they get the heat they do.
@@SportsPlug-cp1eqHe made the Super Bowl the year before and the Eagles beat Mike Vick in the NFC Title game without T.O. So even more reason to include it
I thought this was brilliant and fair. I loved it and wished theyd bring it back. But you right, itd be perfect and maybe woulda never got removed from the game, if the avg starting qb vision cone was more like twice as big+ but it's totally genius to cnnect it with their awareness. And awesome that it shows the defense if theyre starting down a one route. Definitely bought more realness to the experience.
It was ass. Realism isn't necessarily good when it comes to video games. You see, in real life, qbs are restricted by their vision but not completely. Part of the issue with the qb vision cone was response time. No matter how refined the system, the players' reaction time, and moving the cone and hitting the button to throw, it was way more time than a qb in real life. Pair than with offensive line play being terrible for every iteration of the game to date, and you end up destroying the balance. I played 07 with the vision cone. Any experienced player will exploit the qb vision system to get more pressure and sacks. It was almost as annoying as the engage 8 bs on the xbox 360 version of Madden 08. If the offensive lines weren't pea brains, maybe the system could work, but it is doubtful. It could work with a vr helmet, now that would be interesting.
@@invisalats841 maybe the mechanics weren’t implemented correctly, but I enjoyed it. Thee best part was that you could just turn it off if you didn’t like it.
@M_Shaffer26 we played with it on for a while. Eventually, we turned it off, and then we all decided to go back to Madden 06, as 06 had the better franchise mode. Which surprised me since most of my group hated the jetpack jumping lol
5:25 I like how I was also thinking Nathan Peterman as the contrast to pat mahomes 😂 also I vividly remember sitting in the parking lot of a circuit city with my aunt on black Friday to grab this game as a kid. That superstar mode was the best one imo
When I went back and played the games with the vision cone it makes defense a lot more fun. It made fun reading the QB’s eyes and made it challenging to play elite QBs
i liked the cone, but i'm the type of nerd who likes sports games to be as realistic as possible and gets annoyed when my stats are too unrealistic. though i do think the modern solution is probably better. not only a throw on the run rating, but short, medium, and deep accuracy does more to simulate the real game accurately than the cone itself. i do miss being able to look off defenders though, idk how you bring that back without the cone or something similar. especially since DBs don't seem to bite on pump fakes like they used to. then again i was a die-hard Packers fan back then, so playing as Favre mostly mitigated the drawbacks, so my opinion is definitely colored by that. also, this reminds me of how confused Madden 05 made me about TJ Houshmandzedah. i didn't understand that there was a character limit, so i assumed the 'z' was pronounced as "zedah" in the language of origin and just accepted that.
I didn't like the vision cone because of the button-mashing aspect. I found that trying to read defenses was enough for me, so I was happy that they had the option to turn the cone off. I was 13 when the game came out, and even now at 32 - with a PS2 and Madden 06 back in my hands - I have the cone off again. A QB like Manning having the whole field, while most other QBs would have gotten slivers of the field - also seemed like a bit of a disadvantage. I could see the appeal of the mechanic at the time and since then, but I also see Kofie's point quite well. The cone punished dual threat QBs, or people who wanted to play as Vick, McNair, Culpepper or others in that vein, a little too much.
I always despised the cone. Great example is Madden 08 Peyton Manning and Vick. Vick had a small vanilla ice cream cone. And Manning had a full field umbrella. Vick's throw power was so high he really didn't need accuracy to just zip the ball to his receivers. Then they nerfed his throw accuracy in the game.
@@KDRushawell technically it did have a effect on accuracy If you threw with in the cone you got a little boost in accuracy if you threw out of the cone you got a decrease in accuracy And i know this pretty well Because i use to play with the Falcons and throw to WRs out of the cone very often
Vision coin was great. Very hard on the GameCube though as you couldn’t snap the cone to a WR. Once I moved to the Xbox it was so much easier. Wish they still had the vision cone
The vision cone is what made Madden 06 my favorite Madden. You could use it to look off defenders or read the QB. It added more strategy and made you pay more attention to timing. Even though I love it, I think it was put in the game to nerf Vick.
The vision cone was one of the best features removed from the game. They should bring it back and make it mandatory to even the playing field for the defense. I'm tired of playing against people who have success doing dumb strategies when we know they're just staring at one receiver the entire play.
Madden isn't meant to be an accurate simulation game anyways, it's an arcade game at hid point. The whole competitive community is just kids finding loopholes and easy plays
@@brianbadonde9251 You can't even make this argument. The game has way too many aspects of the NFL to be considered an arcade game. Having the real life dollar amount of some random rookie should indicate to you that they're not going for "arcade". Regardless, it shouldn't make sense for somebody to be sprinting to the right and throwing a laser guided frozen rope across their body to the middle of the field.
@@brianbadonde9251they have an exclusive rights agreement with the NFL to make the only SIMULATION football game. That’s why no one has come out with one since 05. When they are contractually obliged to make one they are going to be expected to make a good one. The fact it’s a bad sim and arcade game is inexcusable in these circumstances
The cone drill was my favorite it made it to me more realistic, bc the qb would change his body to the wr he was looking at. It made sense on the awareness of each qb. Today in madden since theres no vision cone ( i believe they have it off) you can see the whole entire field. And you can make these crazy throws) madden 06 vision cone with Payton manning was i belive full vision bc well he has good vision, other qbs vision where prob allow to see just one wr, which in my opinion separates the greatest to the least. Ppl didnt like the vision cone bc "it was too hard" so once they took it out they applied the whole vision to every qb. Or the viewer who is playing the game.
The vision cone was awesome... Especially in same room multi-player. You could actually look off a receiver, trick human defenses like a real qb better than any game before or since. Many people hated it but once you mastered it it was AMAZING
It didn't really matter, because you could hold R1 and the wr button to snap to the wr you wanted. But I think if someone was good with it, they could use the smaller cones to manipulate defenses, because you could look people off your target. The thumb stick portion of it was an option, and not a necessity. In fact, it was a last resort.
In the end, it was always just "skill issue." I am a 49ers fan who used Alex Smith and his 78 awareness or whatever cone that was just as bad and without as much mobility as Vick. You could default the cone to dead center each play with R2/R trigger with X on PS2 or A on Xbox. This is what it was on draw plays and helped to sell the illusion and was more realistic to what QBs are taught to do. It also helped you throw screens and to the flats by only looking to them when you were ready to throw while looking down field. If you know progression reads, your hot, your alert, your escape plan, then you can operate just fine with anyone. Finally, once you got good at it, it just became a chore and extra work to do what you can normally do without it.
@@gcgc6381 - Yes. Even with a bad cone, if you knew your reads and footwork/timing, it was very easy to snap to your hot/alert/1/2/avoid/scramble/3/throw away or run for it or playmaker control. I NEVER used the R stick to move the cone. I ALWAYS used the R Trigger/R2 snap to my target. It got to the point that using the cone was just extra work to do the same thing without it.
@@PaulGaither Especially under pressure, it was like, why am i messing with this stupid flashlight for since the lineman can't block for shit?, then just turn the vision cone off. But ido remember in 06, if you turned it off, the passing would default back to 2005, meaning lower passing trajectories and defeated the purpose of having the new game to begin with. 😉
@@gcgc6381 - Yeah. I forget the exact settings I used, but I would mess with a combination of QB accuracy and pass lead sensitivity to improve the user experience. However, as I have gotten older and just want a sim experience, I tend to enjoy CPU vs CPU play where the awareness and accuracy of my QBs matter. I like to focus on year-to-year team building and seeing the fruits of that labor in the CPU vs CPU games. Beating up on the CPU and your friends was "cool" when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, but in my 30s and am almost 40, the team building and sim sliders are way more fun and rewarding. Recruiting in NCAA and scouting / drafting / trading signing free agents in Madden. I like to play once in a while for good old times sake, but it is the same rubbish each time. I love running the ball more than passing. More rewarding to read blocks and shake defenders all without using the sprint button. Now THAT feels so nice to break for a TD or chain together a drive. Off tackle, Iso, Power O, Counter trap, sweep/toss. oh man, just typing this makes me want to play.
The cone was definitely ahead of its time. Bt it may have been toooooo realistic for the average player. I enjoyed the cone because I actually played QB in school. Can’t throw the ball to the opposite side of the field without actually looking. It required you to actually go through progressions. EA would have to get get pass blocking/ pass blocking iQ together in order for something like that to thrive. Pass blocking still doesn’t have any logic
A real quick tip. After the snap while the play is in progress, if you press the preview play button and hold it, and then while holding it, you press the button of the receiver you want to target, the cone will snap to that player.
It gave being a QB a sense of realism and challenge while not being too hard looking back. Your 75 ovr QB shouldn't be throwing hail mary bombs and in tight windows like he's a 90 or better and the vision cone helped it. It encouraged you to read defenses and try different passing plays.
It was the greatest idea they have ever did and taking it out was stupid because people were to lazy to learn it and wanted it ti be easy. It was a great sim football feature.
It was a good idea in theory. Madden needed a mechanic that would better differentiate QBs. This is still a problem today. In practice, it added another layer of complexity that skilled players appreciated but average players struggled with. I'm definitely in the latter category and it always felt awkward.
I think people in the comments are missing a lot of the nuance with the vision cone. I dont like it because it felt invredibly difficult to control and required too many buttoms to work properly. Its still a good idea in concept to balance out two different quarterback philosophies
I loved the cone. For me I love the challenge and details of using it as it depends on the QB and its awareness attribute. Being able to look off coverages and then go over to the other side of the field is what QB’s do.
I love qb vision. it was awesome being able to look off defenders. all you had to do was look at your guy right before you threw it. even with manning having 99 percent of the field, it was still a major factor being able to look of defenders
People hated it cuz they were too dumb to realize u can use icons to move the cone and not just the right stick. You could auto snap to a receiver then throw it instead of manually shift the cone with your thumb stick 3:34 btw I was born in 98 so I was like 7 years old playing this game, the fact so many people struggled with this cone shows how ass a lotta players are. I was a little kid and loved the feature but people older than me struggled!? Maybe its a skill issue and people suck at adapting and actually playing real football 10:44 is how you’re SUPPOSED to use it if you wanted to be good with it. The thumb stick movement sucked, the auto snap was amazing. I think to many people never used it how it was meant to be used and hated it cuz they couldn’t learn. They should add it back and make it to where you can toggle the cone on or off if you’d like
I’m not sure if you’ve talked about it but a review of the content in Franchise mode back in the 06 Madden from stadium prices, relocation, and even the Tony Bruno show would be dope. It’s a shame how much of the stuff they cut from Madden over the years that helped them beat 2k in the first place. How there isn’t an in game “podcast” that can update through the year with guests is beyond me? Sidebar Have you made a video on EA Trax? Thanks, keep up the good work!
QBs like Peyton Manning were always a lot worse in the game than real life. the huge vision cone was one of the only features that made it feel like you were a field general
The cone didn't bother me. But lots of things in Madden, Live, and 2k didn't bother me. The games have sliders and every player rating can be changed. If I wanted Vick with his arm power and running ability plus Mannings vision, I could just edit him lol I have never complained about a players rating. Why? You can change them. Any new game I get the first hours are spent customizing settings and player ratings to what I like. College Football 25 is the first sports game in ages that doesn't have customizable players.
I don't know if you have broken down the hit stick or toughest places to play in NCAA/CFB. I think home and away isn't reflected enough in video games.
I think the right stick for qb vision is the right call, but sprint should be RT, not A. Still tricky to use on the run, but not impossible, and honestly it should be harder to do on the run. If you can make accurate cross-body passes on the run that’s nearly impossible to stop
The cone was such a fun challenge. It wasn’t perfect it was actually painful. But wouldn’t it be nice to be able to see your receiver out wide cook the DB off the line and toss it up early instead of waiting until you can see you on screen. If we had the cone we could just turn our head and see that whole side of the field similar to pre-play. I think it should at least be an option. Just sayin 🤷🏾♂️
I never had anything against the cone, I just didn't have any use for it. You see, when I play Madden I use these things I like to call "eyes" to see the open receivers. The cone was nothing but the illusion of challenge. Now the truck stick, THAT was a feature! One of my favorite annoyances in Madden was when you ran a play action and the defense was showing blitz, there was no way to get out of that fake handoff animation so you had BETTER audible out or you were guaranteed to take a sack.
Not related to the video topic, but... I can tell that Kofie and I were both in school in NC at the same time because that "we'll look at the computer in a minute" line is scorched deep in my brain.
i’m not sure if you tried way back machine for the game informer article, i wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t archived but in case anything like this happens in the future it would be a good option to try to access the desired article
The other fundamental problem with the vision cone is that it made checkdowns to the flats harder than chucking deep it downfield, when it should be the opposite. I'm not sure how one would implement it, but there needed to be some sort of exception for receivers within a certain distance of the QB. You don't need to stare down a guy coming directly back to the QB (like he's supposed to) when he's scrambling.
Modern Madden (i haven't played in a few years tbf) could use something that helps pocket QBs and nerf running QBs. I like the idea (i don't remember how i felt about it as a kid, i think i was too dumb to understand what's going on, I also played mostly as Brady so maybe I never noticed)
I liked the idea but didnt use it myself and thought it was a little annoying the diffrences in some QBs vision compared to others. Still its a great concept and would flourish if done right.
i don't need to watch the full 25 minutes video to know that the cone was great and needs to come back and they never should have gotten rid of it in the first place.
EA failed by not utilizing the Xbox Kinect and PlayStation cameras for eye tracking as a re-implementation of the "vision cone". Imagine using your eyes to actually "look off" pass defenders ...
I like the cone makes defense for my dumbass a lot easier 😂 if added today though I think they should add an option to turn it on and off for more experienced people who might not want it
Idk if you already covered superstar mode but an overview of that in both Madden and 2k solo career. Maybe even just the trappings around it like how back in the day you could do movies and interviews where now it's just the combine. I haven't played madden in years but i think they added press conferences? That could be interesting.
It's actually a good idea, but Madden at the time played at 1.25x normal speed so it felt like flying a fighter jet in a gymnasium trying to aim it correctly.
This is still in the game. It’s evolved a little bit but you can tell in certain target passing practices that where you are in the pocket determines your vision and accuracy.
I wasn’t a fan of the QB vision cone. It made sense. I see what they were trying to do. But I think they missed the mark. I feel like the cone should’ve given a bonus to pass accuracy, but not using it shouldn’t have necessarily been a hindrance to accuracy. If that makes sense.
Loved the idea of it and wish they would have kept working on it, like so many other lost Madden features…the top comment complaining that it nerfed Vick accuracy wants an arcade game, back then Madden actually tried to be a sim. Vick did not have the accuracy or processing that Manning did, it’s like complaining Manning didn’t need speed and athleticism because he processed so fast and the game nerfed his athleticism. Sorry but accuracy definitely was a major weakness in Vick’s game then, though Andy Reid sure seemed to fix it.
You didn't have to use the thumb stick to move the vision cone. All you had to do was hold l2 then tap the receiver you want and it got straight to him.
I loved the vision cone and i played with vick!!!! It actually took skill to use and i killed people who would vision watch on me. Because if you tapped l2 and the icon it go straight to that wr
I don’t think people knew that you could hold r2 and press whatever receiver u wanted to throw to and the cone would automatically go to that receiver.
Great feature, wrong audience for a casual sim crowd it's not really what most are looking for. Not to mention that having it on by default further isolates the more casual crowd which is what Madden appealed to back then imo, if NFL 2k5 implemented this it would have been lauded. In the future use the way back machine for things like game informer.
In theory it was great but in execution it was too hard to use. The reason I liked it was it made the better quarterbacks seem actually better. I was tired seeing Boller/Grossman feel the same difficulty as Peyton Manning and when the cone went away that issue came up again. I think a better implementation would be for the cone to have an auto assist instead of having to manually turn it and then throw.
The new passing options that they added in madden 23 placement and accuracy using LT/L2 and moving the left stick is better than the cone I would like to see your opinions on that
Okay, I liked the cone... however... it was more because of the defensive play. I enjoyed playing safety and reading a worse QB's eyes to ball hawk them. And I always liked playing pocket guys. I agree the size differences were a little ridiculous though. But reading a backup QB's eyes to jump a route and return it for a touchdown... I had always sucked on defense but this kinda gave me the help I needed to do something right
Couldn’t agree more
I actually really liked the vision cone a lot. It made Awareness actually matter on QB's. even 20 years later if you find a high throw power & high throw accuracy QB it doesn't matter if his awareness is a 40 and his overall is a 65 he will play just as good as Peyton Manning. I think the learning curve turned people off but I think it was actually a good idea that made the game make more sense. Just because a QB has the physical intangibles doesn't mean they necessarily have the mental intangibles and the vision cone actually made that work.
Excellent point completely agree wish they would bring it back but with just left right and center that way could look off safties and coverages
@@tomshippolinow the only way to look someone off is pump fake
when you control the qb awareness doesn't really matter, aside from an occasional sack avoidance. it matters big with the cpu control
I wish they had an actual plan for Awareness after this feature was taken out because after this the stat just became a way to artificially lower the overall of players
This vision cone was one of the best features on the game. It worked in the qb's favor if you manipulated it correctly
I looked a Raiders Safety off with Tom Brady one time for an 80 yard TD on 06 and felt like a god. 😂😂😂
Genius idea. Loved it. Desperately needs to be brought back. The fact you can’t look off DBs, target WRs based off coverage is INSANE. It’s football 101!
There’s no sight adjust, there’s no WRs trying to find the soft spots in zones. High school football teaches this-it’s never been in a EA title. That’s why they get the heat they do.
I enjoy Kofie From The Couch. If you ever drop a podcast that's the title. You can have it, you're welcome.
Shit was fire. When "get good" madden people had to be about that life.
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The QB vision cone made Mcnabb the best to play with cause his Awareness was decent and he could run
Then he made the superbowl. So I'd say they Kinda nailed it with this feature. Not arguing with you either totally agree
@@SportsPlug-cp1eqHe made the Super Bowl the year before and the Eagles beat Mike Vick in the NFC Title game without T.O. So even more reason to include it
Holy shit memory unlocked
I thought this was brilliant and fair. I loved it and wished theyd bring it back. But you right, itd be perfect and maybe woulda never got removed from the game, if the avg starting qb vision cone was more like twice as big+ but it's totally genius to cnnect it with their awareness. And awesome that it shows the defense if theyre starting down a one route. Definitely bought more realness to the experience.
It’s sad they took this away because it was TOO REAL
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It was ass. Realism isn't necessarily good when it comes to video games.
You see, in real life, qbs are restricted by their vision but not completely. Part of the issue with the qb vision cone was response time. No matter how refined the system, the players' reaction time, and moving the cone and hitting the button to throw, it was way more time than a qb in real life. Pair than with offensive line play being terrible for every iteration of the game to date, and you end up destroying the balance.
I played 07 with the vision cone. Any experienced player will exploit the qb vision system to get more pressure and sacks. It was almost as annoying as the engage 8 bs on the xbox 360 version of Madden 08.
If the offensive lines weren't pea brains, maybe the system could work, but it is doubtful. It could work with a vr helmet, now that would be interesting.
@@invisalats841 maybe the mechanics weren’t implemented correctly, but I enjoyed it. Thee best part was that you could just turn it off if you didn’t like it.
@M_Shaffer26 we played with it on for a while. Eventually, we turned it off, and then we all decided to go back to Madden 06, as 06 had the better franchise mode. Which surprised me since most of my group hated the jetpack jumping lol
5:25 I like how I was also thinking Nathan Peterman as the contrast to pat mahomes 😂 also I vividly remember sitting in the parking lot of a circuit city with my aunt on black Friday to grab this game as a kid. That superstar mode was the best one imo
I remember getting that game that year during Christmas break. 40 bucks lol good times. 03 and 07 are still my all time favorites.
When I went back and played the games with the vision cone it makes defense a lot more fun. It made fun reading the QB’s eyes and made it challenging to play elite QBs
Back when Madden used to in innovate
Never liked the cone until I started playing PS2 Madden again recently. Love it now. It's like the zone hitting of passing.
i liked the cone, but i'm the type of nerd who likes sports games to be as realistic as possible and gets annoyed when my stats are too unrealistic. though i do think the modern solution is probably better. not only a throw on the run rating, but short, medium, and deep accuracy does more to simulate the real game accurately than the cone itself. i do miss being able to look off defenders though, idk how you bring that back without the cone or something similar. especially since DBs don't seem to bite on pump fakes like they used to.
then again i was a die-hard Packers fan back then, so playing as Favre mostly mitigated the drawbacks, so my opinion is definitely colored by that.
also, this reminds me of how confused Madden 05 made me about TJ Houshmandzedah. i didn't understand that there was a character limit, so i assumed the 'z' was pronounced as "zedah" in the language of origin and just accepted that.
I didn't like the vision cone because of the button-mashing aspect. I found that trying to read defenses was enough for me, so I was happy that they had the option to turn the cone off. I was 13 when the game came out, and even now at 32 - with a PS2 and Madden 06 back in my hands - I have the cone off again.
A QB like Manning having the whole field, while most other QBs would have gotten slivers of the field - also seemed like a bit of a disadvantage. I could see the appeal of the mechanic at the time and since then, but I also see Kofie's point quite well. The cone punished dual threat QBs, or people who wanted to play as Vick, McNair, Culpepper or others in that vein, a little too much.
I always despised the cone. Great example is Madden 08 Peyton Manning and Vick. Vick had a small vanilla ice cream cone. And Manning had a full field umbrella. Vick's throw power was so high he really didn't need accuracy to just zip the ball to his receivers. Then they nerfed his throw accuracy in the game.
The cone wasn’t linked to accuracy, it was linked to awareness
@@KDRushawell technically it did have a effect on accuracy
If you threw with in the cone you got a little boost in accuracy if you threw out of the cone you got a decrease in accuracy
And i know this pretty well
Because i use to play with the Falcons and throw to WRs out of the cone very often
@@KDRusha I know...
@@maddoxalucard6587 I know it had an affect on accuracy, I’m saying the size was based on awareness
I don’t like how you said “nerfed” his accuracy like it shouldn’t of been what it was. he didn’t become an accurate passer until his Philly years.
Vision coin was great. Very hard on the GameCube though as you couldn’t snap the cone to a WR. Once I moved to the Xbox it was so much easier. Wish they still had the vision cone
The cone was great, made Trent Dilfer a sleeper qb for the Browns when someone would get mad if you didn’t take a bad team
Kofie, use the Wayback Machine for old articles. There are 15 captures of that article.
The vision cone is what made Madden 06 my favorite Madden. You could use it to look off defenders or read the QB. It added more strategy and made you pay more attention to timing. Even though I love it, I think it was put in the game to nerf Vick.
The vision cone was one of the best features removed from the game. They should bring it back and make it mandatory to even the playing field for the defense. I'm tired of playing against people who have success doing dumb strategies when we know they're just staring at one receiver the entire play.
Madden isn't meant to be an accurate simulation game anyways, it's an arcade game at hid point. The whole competitive community is just kids finding loopholes and easy plays
@@brianbadonde9251 You can't even make this argument. The game has way too many aspects of the NFL to be considered an arcade game. Having the real life dollar amount of some random rookie should indicate to you that they're not going for "arcade".
Regardless, it shouldn't make sense for somebody to be sprinting to the right and throwing a laser guided frozen rope across their body to the middle of the field.
@@brianbadonde9251they have an exclusive rights agreement with the NFL to make the only SIMULATION football game.
That’s why no one has come out with one since 05.
When they are contractually obliged to make one they are going to be expected to make a good one. The fact it’s a bad sim and arcade game is inexcusable in these circumstances
The cone drill was my favorite it made it to me more realistic, bc the qb would change his body to the wr he was looking at. It made sense on the awareness of each qb. Today in madden since theres no vision cone ( i believe they have it off) you can see the whole entire field. And you can make these crazy throws) madden 06 vision cone with Payton manning was i belive full vision bc well he has good vision, other qbs vision where prob allow to see just one wr, which in my opinion separates the greatest to the least. Ppl didnt like the vision cone bc "it was too hard" so once they took it out they applied the whole vision to every qb. Or the viewer who is playing the game.
The vision cone was awesome... Especially in same room multi-player. You could actually look off a receiver, trick human defenses like a real qb better than any game before or since. Many people hated it but once you mastered it it was AMAZING
I LOVED the cone! I would manipulate coverage with my eyes and look off users with the cone all day my offense was built around it. Skill gap feature.
It didn't really matter, because you could hold R1 and the wr button to snap to the wr you wanted. But I think if someone was good with it, they could use the smaller cones to manipulate defenses, because you could look people off your target. The thumb stick portion of it was an option, and not a necessity. In fact, it was a last resort.
In the end, it was always just "skill issue." I am a 49ers fan who used Alex Smith and his 78 awareness or whatever cone that was just as bad and without as much mobility as Vick.
You could default the cone to dead center each play with R2/R trigger with X on PS2 or A on Xbox. This is what it was on draw plays and helped to sell the illusion and was more realistic to what QBs are taught to do. It also helped you throw screens and to the flats by only looking to them when you were ready to throw while looking down field.
If you know progression reads, your hot, your alert, your escape plan, then you can operate just fine with anyone.
Finally, once you got good at it, it just became a chore and extra work to do what you can normally do without it.
Yeah, if you centered the cone pre-play you could throw it accurately to anybody on the field.
@@gcgc6381 - Yes. Even with a bad cone, if you knew your reads and footwork/timing, it was very easy to snap to your hot/alert/1/2/avoid/scramble/3/throw away or run for it or playmaker control. I NEVER used the R stick to move the cone. I ALWAYS used the R Trigger/R2 snap to my target. It got to the point that using the cone was just extra work to do the same thing without it.
@@PaulGaither Especially under pressure, it was like, why am i messing with this stupid flashlight for since the lineman can't block for shit?, then just turn the vision cone off. But ido remember in 06, if you turned it off, the passing would default back to 2005, meaning lower passing trajectories and defeated the purpose of having the new game to begin with. 😉
@@gcgc6381 - Yeah. I forget the exact settings I used, but I would mess with a combination of QB accuracy and pass lead sensitivity to improve the user experience. However, as I have gotten older and just want a sim experience, I tend to enjoy CPU vs CPU play where the awareness and accuracy of my QBs matter. I like to focus on year-to-year team building and seeing the fruits of that labor in the CPU vs CPU games.
Beating up on the CPU and your friends was "cool" when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, but in my 30s and am almost 40, the team building and sim sliders are way more fun and rewarding. Recruiting in NCAA and scouting / drafting / trading signing free agents in Madden.
I like to play once in a while for good old times sake, but it is the same rubbish each time. I love running the ball more than passing. More rewarding to read blocks and shake defenders all without using the sprint button. Now THAT feels so nice to break for a TD or chain together a drive. Off tackle, Iso, Power O, Counter trap, sweep/toss. oh man, just typing this makes me want to play.
The cone was definitely ahead of its time. Bt it may have been toooooo realistic for the average player. I enjoyed the cone because I actually played QB in school. Can’t throw the ball to the opposite side of the field without actually looking. It required you to actually go through progressions. EA would have to get get pass blocking/ pass blocking iQ together in order for something like that to thrive. Pass blocking still doesn’t have any logic
It’s not based off being a starter or back up. It’s awareness. Have better awareness doesn’t make you a starter. It’s a simple concept
A real quick tip. After the snap while the play is in progress, if you press the preview play button and hold it, and then while holding it, you press the button of the receiver you want to target, the cone will snap to that player.
It gave being a QB a sense of realism and challenge while not being too hard looking back. Your 75 ovr QB shouldn't be throwing hail mary bombs and in tight windows like he's a 90 or better and the vision cone helped it. It encouraged you to read defenses and try different passing plays.
It was the greatest idea they have ever did and taking it out was stupid because people were to lazy to learn it and wanted it ti be easy. It was a great sim football feature.
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It was a good idea in theory. Madden needed a mechanic that would better differentiate QBs. This is still a problem today.
In practice, it added another layer of complexity that skilled players appreciated but average players struggled with. I'm definitely in the latter category and it always felt awkward.
I think people in the comments are missing a lot of the nuance with the vision cone. I dont like it because it felt invredibly difficult to control and required too many buttoms to work properly. Its still a good idea in concept to balance out two different quarterback philosophies
I loved it to look off safeties and line backers was realistic!
I loved the cone. For me I love the challenge and details of using it as it depends on the QB and its awareness attribute.
Being able to look off coverages and then go over to the other side of the field is what QB’s do.
I love qb vision. it was awesome being able to look off defenders.
all you had to do was look at your guy right before you threw it. even with manning having 99 percent of the field, it was still a major factor being able to look of defenders
like being able to look at a guy, pump fake that way, and the go opposite sife.
Wasn't there a setting to toggle the "advanced vision"? I think I recall turning it off, but could be wrong.
Edit:.Oops, i kept watching. 14:57 ❤
People hated it cuz they were too dumb to realize u can use icons to move the cone and not just the right stick. You could auto snap to a receiver then throw it instead of manually shift the cone with your thumb stick 3:34 btw I was born in 98 so I was like 7 years old playing this game, the fact so many people struggled with this cone shows how ass a lotta players are. I was a little kid and loved the feature but people older than me struggled!? Maybe its a skill issue and people suck at adapting and actually playing real football 10:44 is how you’re SUPPOSED to use it if you wanted to be good with it. The thumb stick movement sucked, the auto snap was amazing. I think to many people never used it how it was meant to be used and hated it cuz they couldn’t learn. They should add it back and make it to where you can toggle the cone on or off if you’d like
Cone literally changed what teams you wanted to play with. Everyone went from using Vick to playing with Peyton Manning
I’m not sure if you’ve talked about it but a review of the content in Franchise mode back in the 06 Madden from stadium prices, relocation, and even the Tony Bruno show would be dope. It’s a shame how much of the stuff they cut from Madden over the years that helped them beat 2k in the first place. How there isn’t an in game “podcast” that can update through the year with guests is beyond me?
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The cone was fire. If you couldn’t handle the cone, you didn’t belong
I play the old maddens, people say the vision cone was trash but I like it a lot
QBs like Peyton Manning were always a lot worse in the game than real life. the huge vision cone was one of the only features that made it feel like you were a field general
as a kid it was hard af to use tho and i usually turned it off
All the ones on ps2 was perfect
I loved the cone. All my friends hated it though cuz they couldn't just throw running cross field passes.
The cone didn't bother me. But lots of things in Madden, Live, and 2k didn't bother me. The games have sliders and every player rating can be changed.
If I wanted Vick with his arm power and running ability plus Mannings vision, I could just edit him lol
I have never complained about a players rating. Why? You can change them. Any new game I get the first hours are spent customizing settings and player ratings to what I like.
College Football 25 is the first sports game in ages that doesn't have customizable players.
I don't know if you have broken down the hit stick or toughest places to play in NCAA/CFB. I think home and away isn't reflected enough in video games.
I think the right stick for qb vision is the right call, but sprint should be RT, not A. Still tricky to use on the run, but not impossible, and honestly it should be harder to do on the run. If you can make accurate cross-body passes on the run that’s nearly impossible to stop
Vision cone separated the boys from the men.
madden 05-09 on ps2 was the best
The cone was such a fun challenge. It wasn’t perfect it was actually painful. But wouldn’t it be nice to be able to see your receiver out wide cook the DB off the line and toss it up early instead of waiting until you can see you on screen. If we had the cone we could just turn our head and see that whole side of the field similar to pre-play. I think it should at least be an option. Just sayin 🤷🏾♂️
Vision cone was great in my opinion.
I never had anything against the cone, I just didn't have any use for it. You see, when I play Madden I use these things I like to call "eyes" to see the open receivers. The cone was nothing but the illusion of challenge. Now the truck stick, THAT was a feature!
One of my favorite annoyances in Madden was when you ran a play action and the defense was showing blitz, there was no way to get out of that fake handoff animation so you had BETTER audible out or you were guaranteed to take a sack.
It's funny to hear Madden's vision cone compared to a first-person feel while 2k included an actual first-person mode.
Not related to the video topic, but... I can tell that Kofie and I were both in school in NC at the same time because that "we'll look at the computer in a minute" line is scorched deep in my brain.
I loved it develop Your Qb and it’ll get better
i’m not sure if you tried way back machine for the game informer article, i wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t archived but in case anything like this happens in the future it would be a good option to try to access the desired article
The other fundamental problem with the vision cone is that it made checkdowns to the flats harder than chucking deep it downfield, when it should be the opposite. I'm not sure how one would implement it, but there needed to be some sort of exception for receivers within a certain distance of the QB. You don't need to stare down a guy coming directly back to the QB (like he's supposed to) when he's scrambling.
It would be good to bring back, but it wouldn’t work now (I feel) as inexperienced players would just run w/ the QB more which is a bit of a cop out
I think you could bring it back but use the trigger buttons to control it left or right. Tap the button to switch between targets
That Atlanta Falcons documentary was fire!
Modern Madden (i haven't played in a few years tbf) could use something that helps pocket QBs and nerf running QBs. I like the idea (i don't remember how i felt about it as a kid, i think i was too dumb to understand what's going on, I also played mostly as Brady so maybe I never noticed)
I liked the vision cone.
Ahhhhh these were the golden years of sports video games 😩😩😩😔
I liked the idea but didnt use it myself and thought it was a little annoying the diffrences in some QBs vision compared to others. Still its a great concept and would flourish if done right.
Cone was great. The folks would couldn't exploit the pass game hated it. Bring it back
i don't need to watch the full 25 minutes video to know that the cone was great and needs to come back and they never should have gotten rid of it in the first place.
EA failed by not utilizing the Xbox Kinect and PlayStation cameras for eye tracking as a re-implementation of the "vision cone". Imagine using your eyes to actually "look off" pass defenders ...
I loved the cone and wish they would bring it back
Love the vison cone and truck stick/Hit stick.
I like the cone makes defense for my dumbass a lot easier 😂 if added today though I think they should add an option to turn it on and off for more experienced people who might not want it
My brother was so good with the vision cone he started looking off my user 😂 I never knew where he would pass
what’s up wit young brothers & nail polish nowadays?💅
Idk if you already covered superstar mode but an overview of that in both Madden and 2k solo career. Maybe even just the trappings around it like how back in the day you could do movies and interviews where now it's just the combine. I haven't played madden in years but i think they added press conferences? That could be interesting.
It's actually a good idea, but Madden at the time played at 1.25x normal speed so it felt like flying a fighter jet in a gymnasium trying to aim it correctly.
This is still in the game. It’s evolved a little bit but you can tell in certain target passing practices that where you are in the pocket determines your vision and accuracy.
i still play madden 07 to this day, and i still can’t use the vision cone lmao 😭
It was a good idea. It wasn’t implemented well.
I think i remember doing a franchise with this game for the Chargers. Brees had a huge pie, but Rivers had a narrow little slice. ❤
remember the playmaker stick the year before to post snap redirect recievers it made mike vick OP it was like backyard football just freestyling
I wasn’t a fan of the QB vision cone. It made sense. I see what they were trying to do. But I think they missed the mark. I feel like the cone should’ve given a bonus to pass accuracy, but not using it shouldn’t have necessarily been a hindrance to accuracy. If that makes sense.
Loved the idea of it and wish they would have kept working on it, like so many other lost Madden features…the top comment complaining that it nerfed Vick accuracy wants an arcade game, back then Madden actually tried to be a sim. Vick did not have the accuracy or processing that Manning did, it’s like complaining Manning didn’t need speed and athleticism because he processed so fast and the game nerfed his athleticism. Sorry but accuracy definitely was a major weakness in Vick’s game then, though Andy Reid sure seemed to fix it.
You didn't have to use the thumb stick to move the vision cone. All you had to do was hold l2 then tap the receiver you want and it got straight to him.
Finallllllllly somebody talking about the real issues!
I am playing a franchise on Madden 08 currently . To be short. I like it.
The vision cone was the greatest madden innovation ever created
My man absolutely rocking the painted nails
nba2k should to the same for guards. some players have better courtvision to make passes, haliburton, lebron, doncic, jokic etc than others
I loved the vision cone and i played with vick!!!! It actually took skill to use and i killed people who would vision watch on me. Because if you tapped l2 and the icon it go straight to that wr
I never minded the cone at the time but only because I was 11 and just ran counter or stretch 80% of the time
Starting the game, the first thing I did was turn off Vision Cone in Madden, when I didn't have a memory card.
1:56 I agree Madden 2005 was the greatest madden of all time!!
@13:00 - you said "picture perfect balls"
As a lifelong Bengals fan Love the “prime time” Andy Dalton reference 😅
I don’t think people knew that you could hold r2 and press whatever receiver u wanted to throw to and the cone would automatically go to that receiver.
Great feature, wrong audience for a casual sim crowd it's not really what most are looking for. Not to mention that having it on by default further isolates the more casual crowd which is what Madden appealed to back then imo, if NFL 2k5 implemented this it would have been lauded. In the future use the way back machine for things like game informer.
In theory it was great but in execution it was too hard to use. The reason I liked it was it made the better quarterbacks seem actually better. I was tired seeing Boller/Grossman feel the same difficulty as Peyton Manning and when the cone went away that issue came up again. I think a better implementation would be for the cone to have an auto assist instead of having to manually turn it and then throw.
The new passing options that they added in madden 23 placement and accuracy using LT/L2 and moving the left stick is better than the cone I would like to see your opinions on that
Good idea, but on Madden 09 on PS2, you can't dodge QB sacks if you have QB vision on.
I just feel like I’ve always struggled with the stick management, it makes this important segment of gameplay complex in an unrewarding manner