What is mentionned on MSI's website is more than enough. And if you are such a newbie, let professionals build the computer for you, because they know that 9 phases CANNOT run 105W+ CPUs all-core at 100% without throttling if it doesn't want to hit 105°C+. This is physics! It is the same as saying, the motherboard is compatible with PCIe Gen5 SSDs, yet when you plug one, you should know that it will be throttled to Gen4 speed (or Gen3 speed for A520 for example). If you don't know that, don't blame the manufacturer for your ignorance, and let a professional build the computer for you! Besides, this motherboard can definitely run the X3D CPUs at full speed WHILE GAMING, even though they are advertised as 120W, because they never exceed 90W in games.
If the BIOS is correctly programmed it should limit TDP to remain within VRM limits. you might lose a few percentage points in performance but any CPU should run and remain stable. If this board does not, the manufacturer didn't do it's job. heatsinks or no heatsinks.
cheap mobo doesn't have any of that, u wouldn't pair a cheap mobo with cpu over 125tdp anyway, most budget build pair these with i3/i5/r3/r5, and any competent mobo brand would have a vrm throttle limit anyway, u cant get full performance slapping a high tdp cpu like i9/r9 on these mobo and expect it to run at full performance
@@雷鳗鱼Any X series Ryzen will just make this board throttle. Some of them are cheap too. So I think that it's still overall crap board which is good for no one.
It's kinda impressive how msi makes some of the worst and best motherboards. I remember that msi gaming X570 being unable to handle even the lowest tier of AM4 Cpus as anything would cause the motherboard to overheat.
Yea MSI is weird, I recently bought an MSI mobo that comes with wifi ac. But, when it arrived it turns out they swapped the ac card with a rebranded mediatek wifi ax card. Nothing was mentioned about this swap on the MSI site. No complaints from me though, board works fine. Wasn't even planning on using wifi anyways 🤷
This is currently decent price for the motherboard designed for budget AM5 CPUs (7600, 7500F , perhaps 7700 ) . Yes, you could stick R9 in it, but what would be the point ? People buying Ryzen 9 usually have the money for better components.
I'm still using old MSI B75M motherboard, yes the board is actually GREAT, but the inconsistency with RAM is insane, If I clean or swap component for whatever reason it won't boot back, I have to reseat RAM every single time, the only thing that could fix the issue is if I only use 2GB stick, while it had 4 slots, 2GB stick means I will only have 8GB of total RAM.
The problem is the industry itself …. We see this marketing BS on motherboards, monitors, which immediately come to mind…… I’m sure there’s more! The industry needs a clean up of marketers and get the engineers that build these things to state what’s supported.
Motherboard industry has been shit like this ever since CPUs started to have boost and downclocking. In the old times shit like this wouldn't fly as board would just catch on fire.
I don’t think it’s that bad , atleast in 1st world countries A620 is aimed at lowest end CPUs that amd didn’t release yet Almost any B650 mobo can run the 7600 and they’re quite cheap too
this board exists for a reason. If they beefed up the VRM the cost would go up. IT is great that this budget offering is available for people who intend to pair it with low cost 65w CPU. Perhaps the wording of the disclaimer in red could be changed to give more info on how those higher wattage CPU will perform, but honestly even putting a disclaimner at all is surprising.
And about the disclaimer, yeah, it would be better if it said "do not put anything higher than a Ryzen 5 in here, or else you'd lose performance" :P . I'm kinda surprised AMD decided to skip Ryzen 3 7000 series completly
You have to separate the “promised that it will work with whatever stuff you throw onto it” and “promised that you will get the full potential out of that stuff you throw onto it” apart from each other. Those are two separated things. In this MSI’s case, with that red warning texts on its support page, MSI does promises that it will work with whatever cpu you want, but doesn’t promises that you will actually get the full potential out of it.
@@tyre1337 What brands in PC motherboard space has that kind of name for their budget products? None. They’re always using words like “Pro”, “Prime” or some other catchy phrases like “Ultra Durable” as a name for their budget lineup. Also, when you wanna buy something, you can’t just buy it based on the name of the product only. You have to at least look for the actual product page and the picture of the product itself to know what you’re getting yourself into. And this thing, one looks at it and you know that it is extremely basic.
@@poorNOOB you overestimate the average consumer that just buys by price/name, companies know this and use this to their advantage, that's why the 4060 is called a 4060, but tech enthusiasts know it's a 4050
@@tyre1337 People who buy things by only looking at name of the product without looking for even a basic information about said product first and without a hint of second thought, just to ended up with an inferior product, have only themselves to blame for. First rule of buying things, researching for the information about that particular product first, or at the very least asking someone about it. We live in the era of easily accessible internet, not early 1900s, there are plenty of information over there on the internet.
No. It says the CPUs will run as intended. But it is not. It is running at lower clockspeed. A lower clockspeed would be the intended speed of a lower tier CPU. Why would AMD bother making various similar CPU with the only difference been their clockspeed. If they were all "intended" to run at a similar low speed. They should be clear that those higher CPU will be *limited* and remove the "work as intended"
Definitely not a motherboard that should be used with any of the X or X3D series and definitely not the high end 7950X.... 😅 I mean reasonably speaking... nobody who is buying a high end 7950X would pair it with the cheapest motherboard possible...
But 7800X3D with PBO Eco Mode cTDP 65W turn on and Negative Curve Optimizer 30 might just work as it draws only 88W max... just 2W below the hard limit of 90W on this board. But then no idea why anyone would pair it this way though.
@@Anon-cv7ru I hope MSI is accurate with the claims, there was some issues with an old AM3+ MSI board in regards to what the fets could reasonably handle. Honestly I hope no one makes the pairing you mention.
Nothing wrong with cheap motherboards if you pair them with low power CPUs and the stock down draft cooler. If you get a cheap motherboard you really should be using a down draft cooler.
@@skatcat743 Yeah I’d probably chose something else. Especially since it’s not even sold in my region. The B650 Asrock HDV is the cheapest here. But I have an MSI H610 board for Socket 1700 that was the cheapest available at the time and despite it being very basic as long as you don’t put a very beefy CPU it works ok as long as you have a down draft cooler that provides airflow.
This is incorrect. If you're going to half support a CPU with a motherboard so that it can't run at full stock speeds that's false marketing. That CPU needs to run at the stock bare minimum if AMD is supporting this CPU on this chipset. Either MSI needs to block this CPU from being used or AMD needs to block the CPU from being used on this chipset. AMD is responsible for overseeing this as they sell the chipsets to all these board integrators. They are aware of what's going on and don't care if you blow up a motherboard with a CPU like that. This is also even more irresponsible from MSI and speaks volumes about their products.
@@IceBergs It’s pretty common for low end motherboards to not handle 16 core CPUs. Sure they should be more clear about it but if you buy a low end motherboard than realistically you should be buying a low end CPU as well. The opposite would be just as crazy buying a Godlike motherboard for 1000 bucks only to pair it with a low end CPU.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 It doesn't matter what you "Should" or "Shouldn't" be doing with these combinations. It's extremely unacceptable to state something is supported and completely functional when it clearly is not. Plenty of people will make this combo and experience premature death of a component because of it. AMD has a business to run and this type of behavior on its platform is negative for business. Why they haven't done anything about regulating this type of behavior is shocking to me. Instead of looking at this from a person experienced in tech who understands the layout, you need to start looking at these things from a novice point of view because what's common for you and me isn't for them. It's negative to PC building as a whole not just down to AMD/MSI. Reasons like this is why PC gets a bad rap
guys can you please confirm if Asrock added PBO ? because people was reporting that it doesn't have PBO option and Asrock was working on adding it sometime in future bios update
@@spicynoodles307 --???- what you ask precisely? I have ryzen 7700x undervolted using curve optimizer. The board can feed at least 140watt into the cpu - thats the max my ryzen would demand
To be fair, the 7800X3D "120W TDP" CPU doesn't actually go past 90W for CPU power consumption AFIAK. Gamer's Nexus showed about 86W in power consumption (about the same as a 7600). While VRM cooling is pretty close to max specification, you could get some dirt cheap headsinks for a raspberry pi or from some old scrap motherboard + K5 Pro or thermal pads to compensate. As long as you can keep the VRMs cooled, and you can boot with your memory (definitely a gamble), I think this can go well with a 7800X3D. Please test it with a 7800X3D! I'd love to know if there is any throttling! I really feel like A620 boards will be a good option for the used market years off in the future!
What about mounting said heatsinks? If you're gonna be using the PC long term or reselling it you'd probably want something that can last the life of the motherboard
I have seen these boards on sale quite abit, have actually had thoughts about grabbing one. Thanks for this review, probably kept me away from future headache.
I bought one with a 7700 non-X for a gaming server for my son and I and works great for that purpose. Stays on 24/7 and sips power. Pair it with an X CPU for use as a main rig? Hell no.
@@vaughn1804 I get that should be a nice build. Most people these days are trying to skimp on spending, buying a cheap Motherboard to save money for a higher spec CPU for some. Changing over to a new platform can be expensive. QVL's should accurate and not misleading.
I have one of these with a Ryzen 7600. Working fine haven't had an issue with it. I had to get a gpu riser to use my 4080 as that card covered all the usb ports and even the power and reset switch (I could've used right angled headers in a pinch if I was really desperate). It's probably not a good motherboard for anything above the 7600. For the price of having to get a gpu riser could just go with a better board.
Yeah it should be fine mate. I have the Asus TUF B650 personally but I have 7800x3d and 4080 and wanted a MB that I could keep using for future drop in upgrades etc. TBH other than a bit of CPU undervolting, my B650 features go largely unused
@@d2daryl84 mine is a Lian Li gpu riser kit Gen 4, which had everything you need to mount it vertically. It's universal so should work with all brands.
I have said this before, people paying this little for a motherboard should not be expecting the performance of a board that costs 20 % - 50% more. Credit to MSI for putting a disclaimer on their product page that clearly states performance will be impacted on higher wattage CPUs. The "as intended" comment is perhaps a bit misleading but the specs listed on the CPUs supported are simply the CPU specs as laid out by AMD, the TDP listed is the stock TDP of the CPU, they are not claiming the board will allow those frequencies or that TDP to be achieved. Perhaps they should state somewhere that all CPUs above (X)w will be locked to (X)w TDP. Boards like this are designed for users on a tight budget that just need something useable, good enough to get the job done. They are designed to be paired with lower tier CPUs. IMHO, they should be listed as not supporting anything above their TDP limits or at the very least, have all the CPUs that have a higher TDP listed in red with an * stating performance will be compromised. Regardless of that, I don't think the title "The Cheapest yet WORST A620 Motherboard yet!" is at all fair. The board is built to a price point, at that price point you can't expect more. When we get down to this price level the difference of just $5 makes all the difference, a heatsink on the VRMs for example. Thanks for stating that the board is perfectly adequate for it's intended use, HUB repeatedly failed to do so in it's reviews and lost a lot of credibility for it IMHO. I don't think the "misleading" info is at all intentional, very often the people building the sites and product pages have little to no contact with the people designing the boards. They get told it's compatible with all the same CPUs as XX model so they copy paste most of the info. Still not acceptable but hardly a sinister attempt to mislead. A simple informative email from reviewers to the manufacturer pointing out the issue is usually enough to get it resolved. Hell, I am not even a reviewer and when I sent a message to Gigabyte about incorrect information on one of their product pages it was fixed within days. When you call them out publicly like this they often take a defensive stance and then don't change the info for much longer. You have to understand, a manufacturer has many departments and when the PR guys have to step in it adds an extra layer of complication and delays. Far better to let it be handled discretely. Now, if they refuse to make the requested changes, then a more public rebuttal is warranted. Don't que off HUB, their review style has shifted to the sensational and clickbait a lot of late and their personal grudges against manufacturers has clearly colored their reviews in an unacceptable way. I have always enjoyed your content, please be careful about the direction you take. HUB may have more followers but it's practices for a time became highly subjective and were no longer as pure and informative as they should have been. They seem to have learned from it but I am still suspicious when I see a bad review from them which is not good. It's important to always keep the reviews objective. Kudos to MSI for producing a board for this price segment, some changes to the product page should clear up any confusion and illustrate clearly who this board is aimed at.
agreed. this board exists for a reason. If they beefed up the VRM the cost would go up. IT is great that this budget offering is available for people who intend to pair it with low cost 65w CPU.
Gracias por aclarar que el computador que acabo de comprar que tiene está placa madre no es una perdida de dinero o una mala inversión o hará estallar mi computador, puesto que es mi primera vez que tengo un computador como estos ya estaba muy asustado y nervioso pero sabiendo que el Ryzen 5 8500g funciona para ella de buena manera ya que está en 65w. Soy nuevo y aveces los vendedores arman PC con componentes malos mediocres para vender y salir de ellos pero veo que no está tan mal mi inversión. Además estoy muy emocionado porque es la primera vez que voy a comprar un computador gamer de gama baja suficiente para jugar juegos que he deseado jugar desde hace 10 años y no he podido así como los nuevos titulos a unos fps aceptables para mí y con la disponibilidad de mejorar un poco con una gráfica integrada aunque con esta placa madre está claro que se pierde un poco el rendimiento. Por todo lo demás gracias por la información. Un enorme saludo desde Colombia!
After after a detailed testing, I got the motherboard to run at 120 watts by increasing the power limit. It works cool at 60C without problems on 7600x
Would you be willing to test the Gigabyte A620I AX (mini-ITX) board (apparently the only A620 mini-ITX board out now) paired with a Ryzen 5 7500F, cheap DDR5 6000MHz CL30 with a mid-grade GPU such as a Radeon RX 6700 XT? I do have a build in a SFF case that I was actually pleasantly surprised with the performance. Perhaps in addition of that review, do a comparison with Intel i5-13400F with an H610 board DDR4 memory which that combination is about $100US more than the Ryzen spec.
Do not spread false information, this motherboard is made to handle CPUs with no more than 95W TDP and RAM with EXPO and 5200MB/s, NOT overclockablem, this is a good NON gaming motherboard like ASUS PRIME A620M-E
Not a fan of sensational titles but otherwise a solid review. I prefer a review focused on what the product is intended for rather than one stating the obvious of where it falls short then pretending it should have done better. You did it right by illustrating where this board fits and what it pairs well with 👍 People watching reviews need to be informed, someone looking to cheap out on the motherboard and pair this with a 7950x need to see that is a bad idea but likewise, those looking at a 7500f or equivalent/lower tier CPU also need to know it will do the job just fine. MSI do need to sort out the documentation so it properly matches across all sources.
Asus ROG B650E-E owner here. I got some Adata XPG 6000 Mhz DDR5 memory and up until the very latest bios I couldn't, straight up, run the 4 stick of ram at 6000Mhz, it'd only do it at 5800Mhz and rarely, but not rarely enough, it'd randomly decided to not post with the same RAM it always had until I basically removed all sticks bar 1, made sure the settings in Bios were the same and then I could, following 2-3 boots, get all the RAM back in. So memory stability, thanks to the X3D whoopsie, has been a fun thing even in the high end (not the top of the range with mine mind you but it's a ROG so it's under ASUS's premium brand).
With the VRM temp results: That's actually probably not what's happening here. What's happening, likely, is the 7700X only needs 90W periodically while the 7950X needs it constantly so spiking up down is no issue for the VRMs without any cooling but constant, pegged, 90W is where it runs into issues. I also have to question the sanity of anyone building a PC based on a 7950X and a A620M considering this is akin to strapping a solid rocket booster onto a donkey's arse. Like maybe in some very flung future where you can get both for under 10 euros it'd make sense but that's a decade or so in the future where the delta in performance lost will be (considering the likely progress until then) a few frames per second, realistically. The 7700X results are more important here as that's more realistic, the 7950x build, if it happens, within the next 2-3 years has to be someone who needs a PC right now doesn't wanna skimp on the CPU and GPU so they downgrade the motherboard to fit the budget they have under the understanding they'll flip the motherboard to a better one later. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
thx for sharing this, saw this board a few times for a good price. im still using and buy the ASRock A620M Pro RS for am5 projects. anyway... can u take a look at the GIGABYTE A620M H it looks like the msi pro a620m-e but maybe its a bittle better in handle cpu's. for now there are no bios updates availabe for this board and i still hope that it has not so big problems. would love to see a review from u. best regards from germany.
12:01 .... Hey Bryan ... *I would LOVE to see you, test GIGABYTE's disaster AM5 motherboard ... The ' Gigabyte A620M S2H ' ! *And while you are at it, why not, test their cheapest B650,* the ' Gigabyte B650M K ' I already know, how bad their A620M is, but I don't have the means, to test the ' Gigabyte B650M K ' atm ( I wonder if they used better VRM's on that one )
I was building a cheap new PC using this board and a 7600 CPU with a 6650 XT GPU. I was quite disappointed with the board for different reasons: the EZ-debug LEDs are confusing as they showed I had issues with the CPU and the RAM - I sent things back but the replacements showed the same issue - it turned out that the warning lights show up and then disappear after 30 seconds. Frustrating. The RAM slots have only one clip per slot which makes fitting the RAM more difficult. Most importantly though is the placement of the GPU on the board - it leaves me with about a 1cm (1/3 inch) gap between the GPU fans and the PSU. Then they put most of the connectors in this gap so there's now tonnes of wiring filling this tiny space. I tried a game out and the fans were at max and I could smell hot plastic - not impressed. After watching your video I'm not sure if it's the wiring being so close to the GPU, the GPU not getting enough cooling, the RAM or the M.2 card not having any cooling. Avoid.
I know you're an Asrock guy, I bought my B450 Steel Legend after watching your vid, no major complaint so far after 3yrs. I guess HU is MSI guy, I bought 6600xt gaming X after watching their vid (wanted to buy ASUS Dual initially). The point is, every company does shady stuff sometimes. It's awesome that you guys keep them in check
Can you test out the Gigabyte A620M S2H, I might build a budget AM5 build soon and would like to know if that motherboard is solid or not, I would try to squeeze a B650 board in my budget if that board is bad
Brian, hope you can check out the Gigabyte A620I itx mobo too. The only a620 itx mobo for now. Interested to see the performance when paired with 7500f for "cheap" am5 itx build.
To upgrade my eldest daughter's PC (HuananZhi X79 Deluxe + E5-4627v2 +32GB DDR3 1600) I went with a new R7 5800X ($170) + new ASUS Strix B550A Gaming (boxed new-out of business auction price $81) + 2x16GB Trident Z Royal (auction-used, $80). I figure the upgrade will run me about $200, after selling off the older parts.
Is that the Pro b650m-p? I bought one to test a Ryzen 7600 and so far, no complain. I flashed the bios with the bios flash button (no cpu, ram necessary) to the second latest one, put the CPU in, then the cheap RAM and a m.2 drive with already Windows 11 installed and everything fired up fast and stable.
Good stuff, seems like you really have to check each and every component that goes into your build, as these manufacturers seem to slip up from time to time. Brand loyalty be damned :^)
Can you please check gigabyte b650 m k motherboard for ryzen 5 7600 ? ( Note - Asrock hdv b650 not available in my country) How good is the motherboard?
After getting an ASUS ROG STRIX B650-G and it having terrible coil whine, I tried an MSI B650 MPG CARBON WIFI and it was a nightmare to get stable. If you don't enable XMP, it defaults to overclocking the memory (6400->6600). If you don't enable memory context restore, it takes multiple minutes every time you boot and appears as if it has locked up entirely until it eventually starts up. The latched NVME slot has a heatsink that is almost impossible to remove easily. NVME compatibility is all over the place, I had to reorder the three drives many times until I found a combination that worked. The BIOS seems so fragile that I ended up having to clear the settings dozens of times, then reapply fan curves, enable XMP and boot priorities every single time. It was infuriating - I really don't know who to choose for a motherboard now. I will say though, it is stable for the time being. I just hope this isn't the norm for motherboards going forward.
It will be perfectly ok and I plan to do it myself, but I personally will use it as a stepping stone to some B650 board after 1-2 years of usage. Like, I don't need fancy functions, but I definitely need PBO and Curve Optimizer, which this board (and all A620 ones) doesn't have, unfortunately.
@@MikoDnsti dropped the idea of getting a 7500f and now want to get a 7600 do you think i should get this board or should i get a620m hdv/m.2 non plus version ?
You can get some double sided thermal tape and small square aluminum heatsinks (or one long thin high one if you can find it) for very cheap and still be paying less than other motheboards that do have an anemic heatsink
Is it the case that all Gen 4 drives can't be run without a heatsink, or shouldn't? Some of the newer ones with read and write speeds around 4GB/s have newer controllers that don't thermally throttle.
MSI's statement on performance depending on CPU is not so far-fetched. All boards going down the price tiers will eventually not be able to cope with sustained maximum power loads and this has been true forever from low-power laptops to desktop motherboards. If we want to nitpick on this subject, the CPU itself will thermal and power throttle at stock settings with adequate, yet sensible cooling solutions and IMHO this is a core issue of recent Ryzen and Core-I where they put out parts that DEMAND from the system builder (which may be the user...) to go overboard on PSU, motherboard and cooling parts.
Just got one for 74 usd plus 170 for a ryzen 7600 and 137 32gig of ddr5 kingston fury 6000mts ram and some thermal glue with copper heath sinks in vrms and didnt have any problems. The only one was that pairing this with a 6700xt you dont have space for pciex1 slot, so had to use a usb wifi dongle. But so far i was one of the lucky ones to not have bios or memory compatibility problems.
I think you have hit a very important nail on the head with this video. Misrepresenting the capabilities of a motherboard on official websites is misleading the consumer writ large, If you can't rely on basic information like what CPU you can install being right you have to ask what else is wrong. If you could cover a range of lower end motherboards to see which ones are basically lying about their capabilities and which aren't you'd be doing the community a great service. Well done for a spot on video.
qvl means they are lazy and useless qvl is just them bothering on doing things right if a ram kit works in other motherboard should work here gskill is not a rare unknown brand, it should wor out of the box that excuse should not exist in the year 2024
Hello brian. could you test the a620m asus tuf ? it really seems the same vrm's as in b650 asus boards. logical that they re-use or undermarket from b650 to a620 those poors vrm's...... i was about to get the good Asrock board.......but was fooled by the brand marketing i guess
Review the pro B650/m a wifi HU said was a decent board by the price but I've been having some problems, I don't know if will be a good idea to save some money to change the mb or just be patient with bios :(
With all your purchases from aliexpress and deal hunting in Asia, can you do a review of all of the nvme m.2 SSDs? It is really hard to know what is good or worth grabbing for gaming with their impressive pricing, yet performance and stability is hard to know - even from reviews one can find.
The price hike in motherboards for intel 12th and 13th gen is stupid. I upgraded from my 8700k and Asus z370 strix which cost me around £150 and was loaded and high quality.. my latest 13th gen Asus prime was £200 lower quality and less features and heatsinks etc.. I mean it works fine but sucks it costs more for less
wait a minute, wasn't BIOS flashback mandatory on AM5 boards by AMD spec? Also, in terms of criticism for the RAM compatibility, unfortunately even with DDR4 it was already pretty important to check QVL lists on mobo manufacturers to get confident compatibility.
I am stuck with a MSI B450 Tomahawk with some either ram or bios issues. I have even tried to contact you on FB but you no longer use it. I really would like an advice on that because the ram would not in dual channel. I have tried it with 2 different sets of ram. and 2 different CPU and still didn't work. before it would only show a CPU Error light. can you please help? I would really appreciate it
Hey Brain mate, I'm encountering an issue with my PC freezing without any event logs or blue screen errors. Tried removing my GPU, replacing RAM and a fresh install of Windows 10. Could it be Mobo or HDD drive issue? Cheers
@TechYesCity You missed the goal, you missed the ball with this review 😁You took the cheapest AM5 board and then you paired it with Ryzen 9 😄 This was designed so people would have something affordable to pair with 7600 or 7500F . You should have tested with such budget CPUs .
Same, I'm ok with trying the Ryzen 9 on the board, but that's not what I watch the channel for. Would've wanted to see if it was good enough for a 7600. No one with any sense is going to put a $525 CPU on a $75 board.
One should probably understand that being a 20 board means that it isnt meant for high end hardware. It was like this with b520 boards as well. Sure it has some compatibility, but its common sense that its made for budget CPUs. Prolly best to run the Ryzen 5 7600 non x
I agree, not many people would go for such combo. But manufacturers should state that on product page. You made a board that work fine only with 65W CPUs? Fine, then support only 65W CPU and don't lie on product page and box. Even when not many will pair it today with power hungry CPU it can make problems later when someone after one or two gen decide to upgrade with cheap second hand first gen am5 cpu. I made mistake like that long time ago and that leave me with finger size hole in asrock board, that was before hard power limiting so board try to provide necessary power for CPU listed as supported. It wasn't :)
@@gorjy9610 MSI don lie about support. You can run all CPUs from 7xxx in this board but with big 'BUT' and that they state it with red text on their website. Is it too much to expect people to read (and think) before they buy something these days?
I enjoy people who don't overspend alot of money on their motherboards if they don't plan on overclocking or using heavy watt cpus. Most of my parts are bought from other people where I tested them before buying with few exceptions were I bought the psu and motherboard from the store. I had to update the bios for this motherboard because I kept getting random blue screens, after the update no issues were spotted whatsoever. I jumped from my old ddr3 gaming pc straight to my current one and the difference is trully amazing. This is my current rigg that I have put up myself with the parts I have obtained from random people: MSI PRO A620M-E Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard 75$ AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor 150$ ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler 20$ Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 80$ Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD 120$ PowerColor Hellhound OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB GPU 400$ MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold 85$
For me it is obvious this board is aimed at system integrators, not diy-ers. It is meant to run some cheaper am5 processor. And pro means that only pros should build with it, which is true.
@@TheDigimarauder it is a hint. Who else would skimp so much on mobo than system integrators who usually never say what mobo is in system. The sooner mobo dies, sooner you buy another pc.
Just looking at the motherboard only it has low VRM which means not enough headroom for over clocking. So the only CPU suitable for that type of motherboard is the Ryzen 5 7600 and the7500F. Game enthusiasts have to start realizing that every motherboard is not ment for gaming.
I built a new pc with a ryzen 7900 on this motherboard with crucial 2x8gigs memory modules. I limited CPU temp to 75°C on PBO settings. Above this temp, VRMs goes toasty especially on sustained all-core workloads. So the best cpu you can use on this mobo is ryzen 7900 non-x. If you can buy a 7950x, you should be able to buy a mid or high tier mobo, then this is not for you, this is a budget device to built a budget pc. So you don't need a AIO or something, you don't need a beefy PSU or 200 usd+ priced mobo. You can simply build an energy efficient cool and quite price/performance beast.
Yeah I just felt like building a new PC so I ordered two of everything came out under 1000$ for B620 1tbssd. 32gb 16x2 6000Mhz Ryzen 7500f don't know what you yet but me and my friend will have matching builds for fun :)
It could be bit of a shock but mine has curve optimizer and turns out it works on my ryzen 7600. I was desperately checking the mobo and amd overclockong settings was there. And went to negative 30. After i checked the clocks on games and my processor hits 5150 5190 mhz. Correct me if I am wrong.
Mmm I see what your saying about the board but why would you pair a flagship with a520 or a620. It's the same on the ole a320 great budget boards that pair well with mis tier processors and Apus as long as you remember you save from certain models thanks msi and Asus. Do not offer overlocking. Normally if your. Going the base motherboard route you are on a budget which means entry level or the cheapest 6 core 12 thread CPU on offer so 4500 or the 5500 or in worst case first or second gen Ryzen.
would you please check asus prime h770-plus d4, for Intel core i5 13500, is it ok for full gaming and content creation? can i take full advantage of the processor. i didnt find any informative video about this mobo yet
These names are so confusing. The MSI Pro B660M-A was one of the best low cost boards on LGA1700. It had excellent VRM cooling, too. I would have though (from name alone) that this one would be similar.
Another unrealistic use case/scenario. Who on earth will buy a CHEAP mobo with inferior chipset @ 75-85USD and pair it with the priciest AMDs CPU. Much more lealistic scenario is the 7700 as u sayed
I think the last one the Asrock DrMos is pretty good VRM wise. I have a different board with it, B760M and it's been decently nice to my 12700KF. Guess can't win them all in the budget picks here.
hmm its strange I thought the a620e variant motherboards were only to support lower tdp cpu aka 95w and below. they should remove the cpu off the compatibility list.
The MSI A620 board is really only designed to handle the 65W CPUs, not for the 7950x unfortunately. MSI did a bad job letting customers know this is the case. You'll have to update the BIOS to resolve any memory related post issues. OOTB BIOS probably won't handle expo until its updated. It's a great board for entry level gaming with the AM5.
I bought and returned 2 MSI 670-P boards. They both acted broken. They would not reliably control voltage. I could get it to behave if I manually limited it a specific way but I have asus and gigabyte boards that do exactly what they should so I just bought more of those.
Thank you for taking these motherboard tests, as other youtubers have stopped doing them for low-end boards long ago. Thank you!!
me watching this video with this motherboard 😅
A620 was never intended to be paired with 7950x it is built to work with 65W cpus and budget systems
explain this that youtuber guy who put that shit wallpaper XD
@@odinsoniccan we use or upgrade to future cards like hind end device
@@ashsanjay3237 maximum CPU must be 7600x, maximum GPU hasn't a limit :)
One review I've read on some website was that this board is limited to 65W cpu, but it was never mentioned on MSI website.
What is mentionned on MSI's website is more than enough. And if you are such a newbie, let professionals build the computer for you, because they know that 9 phases CANNOT run 105W+ CPUs all-core at 100% without throttling if it doesn't want to hit 105°C+. This is physics!
It is the same as saying, the motherboard is compatible with PCIe Gen5 SSDs, yet when you plug one, you should know that it will be throttled to Gen4 speed (or Gen3 speed for A520 for example). If you don't know that, don't blame the manufacturer for your ignorance, and let a professional build the computer for you!
Besides, this motherboard can definitely run the X3D CPUs at full speed WHILE GAMING, even though they are advertised as 120W, because they never exceed 90W in games.
No VRM cooler should always be an instant red flag for any mainboard these days.
That depends on what kind of system you are building. Somebody satisfied with 7600, 7700, 7500F ... would have no problem with this MB.
my vrm temp control is off on my bios . is this ok?
If the BIOS is correctly programmed it should limit TDP to remain within VRM limits. you might lose a few percentage points in performance but any CPU should run and remain stable. If this board does not, the manufacturer didn't do it's job. heatsinks or no heatsinks.
cheap mobo doesn't have any of that, u wouldn't pair a cheap mobo with cpu over 125tdp anyway, most budget build pair these with i3/i5/r3/r5, and any competent mobo brand would have a vrm throttle limit anyway, u cant get full performance slapping a high tdp cpu like i9/r9 on these mobo and expect it to run at full performance
@@雷鳗鱼Any X series Ryzen will just make this board throttle. Some of them are cheap too. So I think that it's still overall crap board which is good for no one.
It's kinda impressive how msi makes some of the worst and best motherboards. I remember that msi gaming X570 being unable to handle even the lowest tier of AM4 Cpus as anything would cause the motherboard to overheat.
It's why MSi is my favorite from the big 4 lol.
Yea MSI is weird, I recently bought an MSI mobo that comes with wifi ac. But, when it arrived it turns out they swapped the ac card with a rebranded mediatek wifi ax card. Nothing was mentioned about this swap on the MSI site. No complaints from me though, board works fine. Wasn't even planning on using wifi anyways 🤷
Every manufacturer messes up from time to time. This is why channels like this are invaluable.
This is currently decent price for the motherboard designed for budget AM5 CPUs (7600, 7500F , perhaps 7700 ) . Yes, you could stick R9 in it, but what would be the point ? People buying Ryzen 9 usually have the money for better components.
I'm still using old MSI B75M motherboard, yes the board is actually GREAT, but the inconsistency with RAM is insane, If I clean or swap component for whatever reason it won't boot back, I have to reseat RAM every single time, the only thing that could fix the issue is if I only use 2GB stick, while it had 4 slots, 2GB stick means I will only have 8GB of total RAM.
The problem is the industry itself …. We see this marketing BS on motherboards, monitors, which immediately come to mind…… I’m sure there’s more! The industry needs a clean up of marketers and get the engineers that build these things to state what’s supported.
Motherboard industry has been shit like this ever since CPUs started to have boost and downclocking. In the old times shit like this wouldn't fly as board would just catch on fire.
Yeah, I gave up on industry long ago:)
Only second hand stuff for years now, proven working stuff see
I don’t think it’s that bad , atleast in 1st world countries
A620 is aimed at lowest end CPUs that amd didn’t release yet
Almost any B650 mobo can run the 7600 and they’re quite cheap too
this board exists for a reason. If they beefed up the VRM the cost would go up. IT is great that this budget offering is available for people who intend to pair it with low cost 65w CPU. Perhaps the wording of the disclaimer in red could be changed to give more info on how those higher wattage CPU will perform, but honestly even putting a disclaimner at all is surprising.
That's exactly what I was thinking. No one would put a Ryzen 9 in an entry level a620 motherboard. High end cpu needs high end motherboard.
And about the disclaimer, yeah, it would be better if it said "do not put anything higher than a Ryzen 5 in here, or else you'd lose performance" :P . I'm kinda surprised AMD decided to skip Ryzen 3 7000 series completly
@@SuperSZ not necessarily
the a620m pro rs can handle all the cpus on the am5 platform from memory
Except dishonest marketing and 100% overpriced
You have to separate the “promised that it will work with whatever stuff you throw onto it” and “promised that you will get the full potential out of that stuff you throw onto it” apart from each other. Those are two separated things.
In this MSI’s case, with that red warning texts on its support page, MSI does promises that it will work with whatever cpu you want, but doesn’t promises that you will actually get the full potential out of it.
then they shouldn't call it PRO series, should be BEGINNER, OFFICE or BUDGET series
@@tyre1337 What brands in PC motherboard space has that kind of name for their budget products? None. They’re always using words like “Pro”, “Prime” or some other catchy phrases like “Ultra Durable” as a name for their budget lineup.
Also, when you wanna buy something, you can’t just buy it based on the name of the product only. You have to at least look for the actual product page and the picture of the product itself to know what you’re getting yourself into. And this thing, one looks at it and you know that it is extremely basic.
@@poorNOOB you overestimate the average consumer that just buys by price/name, companies know this and use this to their advantage, that's why the 4060 is called a 4060, but tech enthusiasts know it's a 4050
@@tyre1337 People who buy things by only looking at name of the product without looking for even a basic information about said product first and without a hint of second thought, just to ended up with an inferior product, have only themselves to blame for. First rule of buying things, researching for the information about that particular product first, or at the very least asking someone about it. We live in the era of easily accessible internet, not early 1900s, there are plenty of information over there on the internet.
No. It says the CPUs will run as intended. But it is not. It is running at lower clockspeed. A lower clockspeed would be the intended speed of a lower tier CPU. Why would AMD bother making various similar CPU with the only difference been their clockspeed. If they were all "intended" to run at a similar low speed. They should be clear that those higher CPU will be *limited* and remove the "work as intended"
Tech YES says it's a NO! Now hopefully that board goes down to $40.
Definitely not a motherboard that should be used with any of the X or X3D series and definitely not the high end 7950X.... 😅 I mean reasonably speaking... nobody who is buying a high end 7950X would pair it with the cheapest motherboard possible...
@@Anon-cv7ru Yeah, if it's the right price, I'd see it for a budget build with a budget CPU. 7500F here we come!
But 7800X3D with PBO Eco Mode cTDP 65W turn on and Negative Curve Optimizer 30 might just work as it draws only 88W max... just 2W below the hard limit of 90W on this board. But then no idea why anyone would pair it this way though.
@@Anon-cv7ru I hope MSI is accurate with the claims, there was some issues with an old AM3+ MSI board in regards to what the fets could reasonably handle. Honestly I hope no one makes the pairing you mention.
I think its only for 7500f and 7600
Nothing wrong with cheap motherboards if you pair them with low power CPUs and the stock down draft cooler. If you get a cheap motherboard you really should be using a down draft cooler.
But the bugged bios and ram compatibility? I see the same things with the B650 pro MSI.
@@skatcat743 Yeah I’d probably chose something else. Especially since it’s not even sold in my region. The B650 Asrock HDV is the cheapest here. But I have an MSI H610 board for Socket 1700 that was the cheapest available at the time and despite it being very basic as long as you don’t put a very beefy CPU it works ok as long as you have a down draft cooler that provides airflow.
This is incorrect. If you're going to half support a CPU with a motherboard so that it can't run at full stock speeds that's false marketing. That CPU needs to run at the stock bare minimum if AMD is supporting this CPU on this chipset. Either MSI needs to block this CPU from being used or AMD needs to block the CPU from being used on this chipset. AMD is responsible for overseeing this as they sell the chipsets to all these board integrators. They are aware of what's going on and don't care if you blow up a motherboard with a CPU like that. This is also even more irresponsible from MSI and speaks volumes about their products.
@@IceBergs It’s pretty common for low end motherboards to not handle 16 core CPUs. Sure they should be more clear about it but if you buy a low end motherboard than realistically you should be buying a low end CPU as well. The opposite would be just as crazy buying a Godlike motherboard for 1000 bucks only to pair it with a low end CPU.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 It doesn't matter what you "Should" or "Shouldn't" be doing with these combinations. It's extremely unacceptable to state something is supported and completely functional when it clearly is not. Plenty of people will make this combo and experience premature death of a component because of it. AMD has a business to run and this type of behavior on its platform is negative for business. Why they haven't done anything about regulating this type of behavior is shocking to me. Instead of looking at this from a person experienced in tech who understands the layout, you need to start looking at these things from a novice point of view because what's common for you and me isn't for them. It's negative to PC building as a whole not just down to AMD/MSI. Reasons like this is why PC gets a bad rap
Super video! Tech YES went out of his way to find no excuses from not making this video!
This is why you wait for independent reviews. Thanks Bryan for telling it like it is.
I Think the Best Bang for the Buck, Is the Asrock B650m HDV/M.2 for $125. Which I bought as per HUB recommendation. Has serving me Well with the 7700.
same here. Amazing board
guys can you please confirm if Asrock added PBO ? because people was reporting that it doesn't have PBO option and Asrock was working on adding it sometime in future bios update
@@spicynoodles307 --???- what you ask precisely? I have ryzen 7700x undervolted using curve optimizer. The board can feed at least 140watt into the cpu - thats the max my ryzen would demand
125 bucks? Lol
Should cost more like 65
To be fair, the 7800X3D "120W TDP" CPU doesn't actually go past 90W for CPU power consumption AFIAK. Gamer's Nexus showed about 86W in power consumption (about the same as a 7600).
While VRM cooling is pretty close to max specification, you could get some dirt cheap headsinks for a raspberry pi or from some old scrap motherboard + K5 Pro or thermal pads to compensate.
As long as you can keep the VRMs cooled, and you can boot with your memory (definitely a gamble), I think this can go well with a 7800X3D.
Please test it with a 7800X3D! I'd love to know if there is any throttling! I really feel like A620 boards will be a good option for the used market years off in the future!
What about mounting said heatsinks? If you're gonna be using the PC long term or reselling it you'd probably want something that can last the life of the motherboard
I have seen these boards on sale quite abit, have actually had thoughts about grabbing one. Thanks for this review, probably kept me away from future headache.
I bought one with a 7700 non-X for a gaming server for my son and I and works great for that purpose. Stays on 24/7 and sips power. Pair it with an X CPU for use as a main rig? Hell no.
@@vaughn1804 I get that should be a nice build. Most people these days are trying to skimp on spending, buying a cheap Motherboard to save money for a higher spec CPU for some. Changing over to a new platform can be expensive. QVL's should accurate and not misleading.
@Willbme4EVA I agree 100%. A newcomer to pc building would definitely get scammed.
@@vaughn1804can i use this mobo with r5 7600
@@vaughn1804Please tell me
I have one of these with a Ryzen 7600. Working fine haven't had an issue with it. I had to get a gpu riser to use my 4080 as that card covered all the usb ports and even the power and reset switch (I could've used right angled headers in a pinch if I was really desperate). It's probably not a good motherboard for anything above the 7600. For the price of having to get a gpu riser could just go with a better board.
Yeah it should be fine mate.
I have the Asus TUF B650 personally but I have 7800x3d and 4080 and wanted a MB that I could keep using for future drop in upgrades etc.
TBH other than a bit of CPU undervolting, my B650 features go largely unused
I have the same problem with installing my 3080ti on this mobo. The cables are blocking the gpu. How do you fix it?
@@d2daryl84 I ended up getting a pci 4 gpu riser. You'll likely have to do the same as the cards are just too fat.
@@zakblue what's the best GPU riser. Cooler master?. I'm going blind here. Should've check other brands for the mobo .
@@d2daryl84 mine is a Lian Li gpu riser kit Gen 4, which had everything you need to mount it vertically. It's universal so should work with all brands.
"All listed CPUs work as intended, except the ones at the top, which do not work as intended"
I have said this before, people paying this little for a motherboard should not be expecting the performance of a board that costs 20 % - 50% more. Credit to MSI for putting a disclaimer on their product page that clearly states performance will be impacted on higher wattage CPUs. The "as intended" comment is perhaps a bit misleading but the specs listed on the CPUs supported are simply the CPU specs as laid out by AMD, the TDP listed is the stock TDP of the CPU, they are not claiming the board will allow those frequencies or that TDP to be achieved. Perhaps they should state somewhere that all CPUs above (X)w will be locked to (X)w TDP.
Boards like this are designed for users on a tight budget that just need something useable, good enough to get the job done. They are designed to be paired with lower tier CPUs. IMHO, they should be listed as not supporting anything above their TDP limits or at the very least, have all the CPUs that have a higher TDP listed in red with an * stating performance will be compromised. Regardless of that, I don't think the title "The Cheapest yet WORST A620 Motherboard yet!" is at all fair. The board is built to a price point, at that price point you can't expect more. When we get down to this price level the difference of just $5 makes all the difference, a heatsink on the VRMs for example.
Thanks for stating that the board is perfectly adequate for it's intended use, HUB repeatedly failed to do so in it's reviews and lost a lot of credibility for it IMHO. I don't think the "misleading" info is at all intentional, very often the people building the sites and product pages have little to no contact with the people designing the boards. They get told it's compatible with all the same CPUs as XX model so they copy paste most of the info. Still not acceptable but hardly a sinister attempt to mislead. A simple informative email from reviewers to the manufacturer pointing out the issue is usually enough to get it resolved. Hell, I am not even a reviewer and when I sent a message to Gigabyte about incorrect information on one of their product pages it was fixed within days. When you call them out publicly like this they often take a defensive stance and then don't change the info for much longer. You have to understand, a manufacturer has many departments and when the PR guys have to step in it adds an extra layer of complication and delays. Far better to let it be handled discretely. Now, if they refuse to make the requested changes, then a more public rebuttal is warranted. Don't que off HUB, their review style has shifted to the sensational and clickbait a lot of late and their personal grudges against manufacturers has clearly colored their reviews in an unacceptable way.
I have always enjoyed your content, please be careful about the direction you take. HUB may have more followers but it's practices for a time became highly subjective and were no longer as pure and informative as they should have been. They seem to have learned from it but I am still suspicious when I see a bad review from them which is not good. It's important to always keep the reviews objective.
Kudos to MSI for producing a board for this price segment, some changes to the product page should clear up any confusion and illustrate clearly who this board is aimed at.
agreed. this board exists for a reason. If they beefed up the VRM the cost would go up. IT is great that this budget offering is available for people who intend to pair it with low cost 65w CPU.
Gracias por aclarar que el computador que acabo de comprar que tiene está placa madre no es una perdida de dinero o una mala inversión o hará estallar mi computador, puesto que es mi primera vez que tengo un computador como estos ya estaba muy asustado y nervioso pero sabiendo que el Ryzen 5 8500g funciona para ella de buena manera ya que está en 65w.
Soy nuevo y aveces los vendedores arman PC con componentes malos mediocres para vender y salir de ellos pero veo que no está tan mal mi inversión.
Además estoy muy emocionado porque es la primera vez que voy a comprar un computador gamer de gama baja suficiente para jugar juegos que he deseado jugar desde hace 10 años y no he podido así como los nuevos titulos a unos fps aceptables para mí y con la disponibilidad de mejorar un poco con una gráfica integrada aunque con esta placa madre está claro que se pierde un poco el rendimiento. Por todo lo demás gracias por la información.
Un enorme saludo desde Colombia!
After after a detailed testing, I got the motherboard to run at 120 watts by increasing the power limit. It works cool at 60C without problems on 7600x
How did you increase the power limit
@@hny4uable in the Bios you find maximum power set it to 120
@@MD-so2rz no issues?
I luv how you thoroughly look into these A20 series MOBOS.
Would you be willing to test the Gigabyte A620I AX (mini-ITX) board (apparently the only A620 mini-ITX board out now) paired with a Ryzen 5 7500F, cheap DDR5 6000MHz CL30 with a mid-grade GPU such as a Radeon RX 6700 XT? I do have a build in a SFF case that I was actually pleasantly surprised with the performance. Perhaps in addition of that review, do a comparison with Intel i5-13400F with an H610 board DDR4 memory which that combination is about $100US more than the Ryzen spec.
Do not spread false information, this motherboard is made to handle CPUs with no more than 95W TDP and RAM with EXPO and 5200MB/s, NOT overclockablem, this is a good NON gaming motherboard like ASUS PRIME A620M-E
Not a fan of sensational titles but otherwise a solid review. I prefer a review focused on what the product is intended for rather than one stating the obvious of where it falls short then pretending it should have done better. You did it right by illustrating where this board fits and what it pairs well with 👍 People watching reviews need to be informed, someone looking to cheap out on the motherboard and pair this with a 7950x need to see that is a bad idea but likewise, those looking at a 7500f or equivalent/lower tier CPU also need to know it will do the job just fine.
MSI do need to sort out the documentation so it properly matches across all sources.
Thank you Brian again for an excellent and informative video (Of what board NOT to buy lol) 🌹
Excellent review. Buyer beware of these "cheaper" A620 motherboards. Thanks for the headsup.
Asus ROG B650E-E owner here. I got some Adata XPG 6000 Mhz DDR5 memory and up until the very latest bios I couldn't, straight up, run the 4 stick of ram at 6000Mhz, it'd only do it at 5800Mhz and rarely, but not rarely enough, it'd randomly decided to not post with the same RAM it always had until I basically removed all sticks bar 1, made sure the settings in Bios were the same and then I could, following 2-3 boots, get all the RAM back in.
So memory stability, thanks to the X3D whoopsie, has been a fun thing even in the high end (not the top of the range with mine mind you but it's a ROG so it's under ASUS's premium brand).
With the VRM temp results: That's actually probably not what's happening here. What's happening, likely, is the 7700X only needs 90W periodically while the 7950X needs it constantly so spiking up down is no issue for the VRMs without any cooling but constant, pegged, 90W is where it runs into issues.
I also have to question the sanity of anyone building a PC based on a 7950X and a A620M considering this is akin to strapping a solid rocket booster onto a donkey's arse. Like maybe in some very flung future where you can get both for under 10 euros it'd make sense but that's a decade or so in the future where the delta in performance lost will be (considering the likely progress until then) a few frames per second, realistically. The 7700X results are more important here as that's more realistic, the 7950x build, if it happens, within the next 2-3 years has to be someone who needs a PC right now doesn't wanna skimp on the CPU and GPU so they downgrade the motherboard to fit the budget they have under the understanding they'll flip the motherboard to a better one later. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
The first thing to go on that vrm will likely be the caps. 90c on 80c or 105c rated caps and you will kill them quickly.
thx for sharing this, saw this board a few times for a good price. im still using and buy the ASRock A620M Pro RS for am5 projects. anyway... can u take a look at the GIGABYTE A620M H it looks like the msi pro a620m-e but maybe its a bittle better in handle cpu's. for now there are no bios updates availabe for this board and i still hope that it has not so big problems. would love to see a review from u. best regards from germany.
*Great vid, I'll stick with the Asrock*
Hi Brian, do you have any experience with the Thermalright Assassin X or King? Seems like a great deal for ~20 bucks.
4:00 What happens if you add heatsinks to the VRM MOSFETs? Does it help CPU performance?
If you did that you could cook some sausage. it's delicious!!!!!
No not at all, downdraft helps drop temps but 90w limit is hard locked.
@@techyescity Ah geez. Thanks for answering!
12:01 .... Hey Bryan ... *I would LOVE to see you, test GIGABYTE's disaster AM5 motherboard ... The ' Gigabyte A620M S2H ' ! *And while you are at it, why not, test their cheapest B650,*
the ' Gigabyte B650M K ' I already know, how bad their A620M is, but I don't have the means, to test the ' Gigabyte B650M K ' atm ( I wonder if they used better VRM's on that one )
Reminds me of when Sony would market their 250w Xplode subwoofers as 1300w. Yeah, 1300w.. as the voice coil shoots through the cone lol
I was building a cheap new PC using this board and a 7600 CPU with a 6650 XT GPU. I was quite disappointed with the board for different reasons: the EZ-debug LEDs are confusing as they showed I had issues with the CPU and the RAM - I sent things back but the replacements showed the same issue - it turned out that the warning lights show up and then disappear after 30 seconds. Frustrating. The RAM slots have only one clip per slot which makes fitting the RAM more difficult. Most importantly though is the placement of the GPU on the board - it leaves me with about a 1cm (1/3 inch) gap between the GPU fans and the PSU. Then they put most of the connectors in this gap so there's now tonnes of wiring filling this tiny space. I tried a game out and the fans were at max and I could smell hot plastic - not impressed. After watching your video I'm not sure if it's the wiring being so close to the GPU, the GPU not getting enough cooling, the RAM or the M.2 card not having any cooling. Avoid.
I know you're an Asrock guy, I bought my B450 Steel Legend after watching your vid, no major complaint so far after 3yrs. I guess HU is MSI guy, I bought 6600xt gaming X after watching their vid (wanted to buy ASUS Dual initially). The point is, every company does shady stuff sometimes. It's awesome that you guys keep them in check
Can you test out the Gigabyte A620M S2H, I might build a budget AM5 build soon and would like to know if that motherboard is solid or not, I would try to squeeze a B650 board in my budget if that board is bad
bro which board u chossed
@@shourya8362 ended up going with intel. Got an Asus TUF B760 Plus Wi-Fi
Hey TYC! Maybe take a look at Gigabyte a620m gaming x if you see one. $100 and seems pretty decent
Brian, hope you can check out the Gigabyte A620I itx mobo too. The only a620 itx mobo for now. Interested to see the performance when paired with 7500f for "cheap" am5 itx build.
To upgrade my eldest daughter's PC (HuananZhi X79 Deluxe + E5-4627v2 +32GB DDR3 1600) I went with a new R7 5800X ($170) + new ASUS Strix B550A Gaming (boxed new-out of business auction price $81) + 2x16GB Trident Z Royal (auction-used, $80). I figure the upgrade will run me about $200, after selling off the older parts.
The other MSI pro board the b650 version is also a headache to get running. I seriously wonder if any MSI AM5 board is worth the discounted price.
Is that the Pro b650m-p? I bought one to test a Ryzen 7600 and so far, no complain. I flashed the bios with the bios flash button (no cpu, ram necessary) to the second latest one, put the CPU in, then the cheap RAM and a m.2 drive with already Windows 11 installed and everything fired up fast and stable.
Good stuff, seems like you really have to check each and every component that goes into your build, as these manufacturers seem to slip up from time to time. Brand loyalty be damned :^)
Can you please check gigabyte b650 m k motherboard for ryzen 5 7600 ? ( Note - Asrock hdv b650 not available in my country)
How good is the motherboard?
thanks for the heads up, very helpful
great video. can you try the gigabyte a620i next? there aren't any review about it and is the most afordable am5 itx board
ASRocks b760m riptide seems like a really good board on paper but there is very little user info about it
To be fair, who buys a A620 motherboard for a top tier chip like a 7950x.
That is NOT the point. The point is that it IS ADVERTISED all cpu's will work as intended
People who want to save money and don't need all the features manufacturers have tried to push this generation to raise prices.
watch the previous video where the asrock a620 works fine with the 7950x
After getting an ASUS ROG STRIX B650-G and it having terrible coil whine, I tried an MSI B650 MPG CARBON WIFI and it was a nightmare to get stable. If you don't enable XMP, it defaults to overclocking the memory (6400->6600). If you don't enable memory context restore, it takes multiple minutes every time you boot and appears as if it has locked up entirely until it eventually starts up. The latched NVME slot has a heatsink that is almost impossible to remove easily. NVME compatibility is all over the place, I had to reorder the three drives many times until I found a combination that worked. The BIOS seems so fragile that I ended up having to clear the settings dozens of times, then reapply fan curves, enable XMP and boot priorities every single time. It was infuriating - I really don't know who to choose for a motherboard now. I will say though, it is stable for the time being. I just hope this isn't the norm for motherboards going forward.
My Gigabyte motherboard is pretty solid and hasn't given me much issues at all even with my overclocks
Is this good for ryzen 5 7500f without any performance losses i don't want to upgrade for like 5 years so no worries about upgrading.
It will be perfectly ok and I plan to do it myself, but I personally will use it as a stepping stone to some B650 board after 1-2 years of usage.
Like, I don't need fancy functions, but I definitely need PBO and Curve Optimizer, which this board (and all A620 ones) doesn't have, unfortunately.
@@MikoDnsti dropped the idea of getting a 7500f and now want to get a 7600 do you think i should get this board or should i get a620m hdv/m.2 non plus version ?
@@Shahzad12357why? AliExpress has a 7500f for 150$ I just ordered one seems like a killer combo with b620 can't wait!
You can get some double sided thermal tape and small square aluminum heatsinks (or one long thin high one if you can find it) for very cheap and still be paying less than other motheboards that do have an anemic heatsink
Weird from MSI. The Z690 A PRO is one of the best if not the best budget z690 board, its as good as higher priced motherboards.
Not really. All MSI Pro A are great, most Pro M-A are OK. The problem is with their Pro motherboards other than the As.
Is it the case that all Gen 4 drives can't be run without a heatsink, or shouldn't? Some of the newer ones with read and write speeds around 4GB/s have newer controllers that don't thermally throttle.
MSI's statement on performance depending on CPU is not so far-fetched. All boards going down the price tiers will eventually not be able to cope with sustained maximum power loads and this has been true forever from low-power laptops to desktop motherboards. If we want to nitpick on this subject, the CPU itself will thermal and power throttle at stock settings with adequate, yet sensible cooling solutions and IMHO this is a core issue of recent Ryzen and Core-I where they put out parts that DEMAND from the system builder (which may be the user...) to go overboard on PSU, motherboard and cooling parts.
Just got one for 74 usd plus 170 for a ryzen 7600 and 137 32gig of ddr5 kingston fury 6000mts ram and some thermal glue with copper heath sinks in vrms and didnt have any problems. The only one was that pairing this with a 6700xt you dont have space for pciex1 slot, so had to use a usb wifi dongle. But so far i was one of the lucky ones to not have bios or memory compatibility problems.
This board seems like reasonable value for money, but MSI should be a lot more transparent about the limitations.
Compatibility issues shouldn’t be a thing regardless of price.
"Pro" has probably become the most meaningless term on the tech market. same with smartphones
I think you have hit a very important nail on the head with this video. Misrepresenting the capabilities of a motherboard on official websites is misleading the consumer writ large, If you can't rely on basic information like what CPU you can install being right you have to ask what else is wrong. If you could cover a range of lower end motherboards to see which ones are basically lying about their capabilities and which aren't you'd be doing the community a great service. Well done for a spot on video.
Good Research !!
did u look through the QVL motherboard memory list before you put in the GSKILL?
qvl means they are lazy and useless
qvl is just them bothering on doing things right
if a ram kit works in other motherboard should work here
gskill is not a rare unknown brand, it should wor out of the box
that excuse should not exist in the year 2024
Hello brian. could you test the a620m asus tuf ? it really seems the same vrm's as in b650 asus boards. logical that they re-use or undermarket from b650 to a620 those poors vrm's......
i was about to get the good Asrock board.......but was fooled by the brand marketing i guess
They should state 120W+ is not supported by the board. That was common during the AM2/3 era and completely acceptable.
Review the pro B650/m a wifi
HU said was a decent board by the price but I've been having some problems, I don't know if will be a good idea to save some money to change the mb or just be patient with bios :(
you think this be okay for the 7500f or what you recomend to get 5.0 hrtz moderat gamming
I'm using it with 7500f
But remember you need newer BIOS or 7600 7700 to update bios for 7500f to work
With all your purchases from aliexpress and deal hunting in Asia, can you do a review of all of the nvme m.2 SSDs? It is really hard to know what is good or worth grabbing for gaming with their impressive pricing, yet performance and stability is hard to know - even from reviews one can find.
The price hike in motherboards for intel 12th and 13th gen is stupid. I upgraded from my 8700k and Asus z370 strix which cost me around £150 and was loaded and high quality.. my latest 13th gen Asus prime was £200 lower quality and less features and heatsinks etc.. I mean it works fine but sucks it costs more for less
intel boards are a joke and in general have 4 pcie less, idk why you bought this. I bought b650m for $125 because this was the obv choice
Pls review asrock a620m hdv /m.2, kinda msi competition. Thank you
wait a minute, wasn't BIOS flashback mandatory on AM5 boards by AMD spec? Also, in terms of criticism for the RAM compatibility, unfortunately even with DDR4 it was already pretty important to check QVL lists on mobo manufacturers to get confident compatibility.
maybe on other chipsets
I am stuck with a MSI B450 Tomahawk with some either ram or bios issues. I have even tried to contact you on FB but you no longer use it. I really would like an advice on that because the ram would not in dual channel. I have tried it with 2 different sets of ram. and 2 different CPU and still didn't work. before it would only show a CPU Error light. can you please help? I would really appreciate it
Hey Brain mate, I'm encountering an issue with my PC freezing without any event logs or blue screen errors. Tried removing my GPU, replacing RAM and a fresh install of Windows 10. Could it be Mobo or HDD drive issue? Cheers
If you have a spare PSU, or a friend that is willing to let you borrow one try troubleshooting the PSU, and all of the connections.
@TechYesCity You missed the goal, you missed the ball with this review 😁You took the cheapest AM5 board and then you paired it with Ryzen 9 😄 This was designed so people would have something affordable to pair with 7600 or 7500F . You should have tested with such budget CPUs .
Same, I'm ok with trying the Ryzen 9 on the board, but that's not what I watch the channel for. Would've wanted to see if it was good enough for a 7600. No one with any sense is going to put a $525 CPU on a $75 board.
@@flushfire Apparently 7800X3D works somewhat fine on that board.
One should probably understand that being a 20 board means that it isnt meant for high end hardware. It was like this with b520 boards as well. Sure it has some compatibility, but its common sense that its made for budget CPUs. Prolly best to run the Ryzen 5 7600 non x
A520 you mean?
I agree, not many people would go for such combo. But manufacturers should state that on product page. You made a board that work fine only with 65W CPUs? Fine, then support only 65W CPU and don't lie on product page and box.
Even when not many will pair it today with power hungry CPU it can make problems later when someone after one or two gen decide to upgrade with cheap second hand first gen am5 cpu. I made mistake like that long time ago and that leave me with finger size hole in asrock board, that was before hard power limiting so board try to provide necessary power for CPU listed as supported. It wasn't :)
@@gorjy9610 MSI don lie about support. You can run all CPUs from 7xxx in this board but with big 'BUT' and that they state it with red text on their website. Is it too much to expect people to read (and think) before they buy something these days?
I enjoy people who don't overspend alot of money on their motherboards if they don't plan on overclocking or using heavy watt cpus.
Most of my parts are bought from other people where I tested them before buying with few exceptions were I bought the psu and motherboard from the store.
I had to update the bios for this motherboard because I kept getting random blue screens, after the update no issues were spotted whatsoever.
I jumped from my old ddr3 gaming pc straight to my current one and the difference is trully amazing.
This is my current rigg that I have put up myself with the parts I have obtained from random people:
MSI PRO A620M-E Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard 75$
AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor 150$
ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler 20$
Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 80$
Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME SSD 120$
PowerColor Hellhound OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB GPU 400$
MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold 85$
Hi, I just ordered the 7500F with the Gigabyte A620M H, can anyone tell me if it's a good motherboard or should I return it ? Thanks for reply
You’ll be fine just use a down draft cooler
For me it is obvious this board is aimed at system integrators, not diy-ers. It is meant to run some cheaper am5 processor. And pro means that only pros should build with it, which is true.
"And pro means that only pros should build with it" you nailed it! :D
@@TheDigimarauder it is a hint. Who else would skimp so much on mobo than system integrators who usually never say what mobo is in system. The sooner mobo dies, sooner you buy another pc.
Just looking at the motherboard only it has low VRM which means not enough headroom for over clocking. So the only CPU suitable for that type of motherboard is the Ryzen 5 7600 and the7500F. Game enthusiasts have to start realizing that every motherboard is not ment for gaming.
I don't think the bios even allows you to OC. Though for people who just want to game in 1080p I think this is completely fine.
I have a question, where do you plug the fans on this motherboard?
Would love to see you take a look at the MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI
I built a new pc with a ryzen 7900 on this motherboard with crucial 2x8gigs memory modules. I limited CPU temp to 75°C on PBO settings. Above this temp, VRMs goes toasty especially on sustained all-core workloads. So the best cpu you can use on this mobo is ryzen 7900 non-x.
If you can buy a 7950x, you should be able to buy a mid or high tier mobo, then this is not for you, this is a budget device to built a budget pc. So you don't need a AIO or something, you don't need a beefy PSU or 200 usd+ priced mobo. You can simply build an energy efficient cool and quite price/performance beast.
Yeah I just felt like building a new PC so I ordered two of everything came out under 1000$ for B620 1tbssd. 32gb 16x2 6000Mhz Ryzen 7500f don't know what you yet but me and my friend will have matching builds for fun :)
@@Miley_00 :)
I have a pro z690 msi board and i can't get my g-skill memory to be stable at 6400. I also had a problem with my x79 msi board and g-skill 2133.
thank you for this mb info brian.
there is no rx 7600 listed on vga compatibility, is it means its really isnt compatible? or the list isnt just updated?
My Asrock A320M DVS R4 has support for the 5950X =)) and as long as my ram is 2666 it will run all the cpu's i throw at it. And i paid 40$ for it.
It could be bit of a shock but mine has curve optimizer and turns out it works on my ryzen 7600. I was desperately checking the mobo and amd overclockong settings was there. And went to negative 30. After i checked the clocks on games and my processor hits 5150 5190 mhz. Correct me if I am wrong.
Do the clocks stay above 5000 for a long benchmark or games played for a few hours
So MSI Pro A620M-E DOES have curve optimizer? Because I heard this info from several people, but no one was able to confirm it for sure...
@@MikoDnst there is a section for it and at first I thought it gets the job done but it seems I was wrong
@@m.a.8736 thanks for the clarification!
How about using it with power efficient R 7900 (65W TDP). Will I lose any performance?
No you wont lose any performance. since mobo is limited to 90w and r9 7900 is 65 to 85 w.But you should consider a b650 for that cpu
It is getting increasingly difficult to recommend any of the brands. Without youtubers like you it is really a lottery.
Mmm I see what your saying about the board but why would you pair a flagship with a520 or a620. It's the same on the ole a320 great budget boards that pair well with mis tier processors and Apus as long as you remember you save from certain models thanks msi and Asus. Do not offer overlocking. Normally if your. Going the base motherboard route you are on a budget which means entry level or the cheapest 6 core 12 thread CPU on offer so 4500 or the 5500 or in worst case first or second gen Ryzen.
would you please check asus prime h770-plus d4, for Intel core i5 13500, is it ok for full gaming and content creation? can i take full advantage of the processor. i didnt find any informative video about this mobo yet
These names are so confusing. The MSI Pro B660M-A was one of the best low cost boards on LGA1700. It had excellent VRM cooling, too. I would have though (from name alone) that this one would be similar.
Another unrealistic use case/scenario. Who on earth will buy a CHEAP mobo with inferior chipset @ 75-85USD and pair it with the priciest AMDs CPU. Much more lealistic scenario is the 7700 as u sayed
In my country I take it for 59 USD, is it a bad purchase?
I think the last one the Asrock DrMos is pretty good VRM wise. I have a different board with it, B760M and it's been decently nice to my 12700KF. Guess can't win them all in the budget picks here.
hmm its strange I thought the a620e variant motherboards were only to support lower tdp cpu aka 95w and below. they should remove the cpu off the compatibility list.
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Early Ryzen adopters memory issues are here again.
The cheapest AM5 (add in MSI who have a history in this) board has issues. Who'd have guessed?
Does this board support bus overclocking?
Not sure if it will say on the box but "CORRECT AT TIME OF PRINT" which it probably will say in the user manual.
I wonder how it compares to the next cheapest one: Gigabyte A620M S2H? It has no vrm heatsink either.
Which one should I choose msi Pro a620m e or the a620m gaming x
The MSI A620 board is really only designed to handle the 65W CPUs, not for the 7950x unfortunately. MSI did a bad job letting customers know this is the case. You'll have to update the BIOS to resolve any memory related post issues. OOTB BIOS probably won't handle expo until its updated. It's a great board for entry level gaming with the AM5.
I bought and returned 2 MSI 670-P boards. They both acted broken. They would not reliably control voltage. I could get it to behave if I manually limited it a specific way but I have asus and gigabyte boards that do exactly what they should so I just bought more of those.