BMW N47 Timing Chain Replacement | Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- BMW N47 timing chain replacement guide. How to remove N47 engine and replace timing chain. The first part of replacing the timing chain on the BMW N47 engine.
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Thanks you for uploading this tutorial, my chain snapped while driving but by a stroke of luck both my pistons and valves/liters and valavebridges survived so i only needed a new chain and guides/tensioners. And by following your videos my car is back up running now😄 only thing i got stuck on was bleeding the fuel system as mine was so full of air it refused to start so i had to get a vaccum pump to bleed out the air. But after that she starte right up😎👍 so thank you so much for the tutorial, love ur vids
So BMW decided to use a technology (chains) that is supposed to give longer service intervals (but doesn't) and make the task orders of magnitude more difficult by hosting the timing gear at the rear of the engine. All the relative negatives of the belt, plus a few more layers of difficulty.
I think the problem is that they vent from dual chains to these single row bicycle chains. I think it had to do with emissions or efficiency. Shame honestly, good engine other than that.
@@anteron4721 The problem is in service interval recommended by bmw. Theres no such thing like 'long life' oil
@@mateusznowak1892 Flimsy chain will be a flimsy chain in the long run, no matter the service interval.
@@mateusznowak1892 well said. Oil changes every 6,000 on mine...oil is very cheap to change compared to a chain!
George HUGE thanks for helping me out recently, I’m probably responsible for your last 1000 views lol. Love your content and now I have way more knowledge of my 1 series. Thanks again !!! Keep up the hard work !!
You’re welcome Michael, glad to be a help!
When the chain has been replaced... Is it then considered 'upgraded' and will go on forever?? Or will the job just come up again in another 100k??
What a difference a video makes! I'm not bragging. But my brothers ruined his 11 plate, got a 59 plate and let me buy his 318d for £400... im gonna be quids in whatever way I look at it! So thank you!
Did you sort it?
@@storiesforniamh..8:35) /l)
Very imformative George, makes a very daunting job a lot more doable, and I am about to try and replace the chain kit on my 318 n47 tomorrow on a engine I just bought from a breaker.
No problem Joe... Good luck!
Thank you, I think Im gonna need it
Hi, you don’t have to lose the fuel pump and hit with the hammer the bolts to remove the sprocket. You have the tools for that in to your set.
Yeah I later realised what they were for mate
Followed the videos on our N47 118D (including your mistakes and going back :) ) everything worked perfectly. Injectors were different though and required a different disassembly, everything else was the same on an E87 :)
Been waiting for this video. Honestly is intimidating how much work it is just to get to the chains
It has taken me 3-4 times longer because of the filming etc involved but removing the engine makes a good opportunity to get a load of other jobs done at the same time
The amount of work involved is not acceptable.
Here is the complete timing chain replacement guide:
Timing Chain Replacement PART 1: bit.ly/367skYd
Timing Chain Replacement PART 2: bit.ly/368aILQ
Timing Chain Replacement PART 3: bit.ly/2taCGI8
Hello George. What brand do you recommend to change the timing chain?
Link in description
great music in the end, and even beter video thanks
hi george i have the same tool kit and its not required to loose high pressure pump to get the sprocket out, in that kit you have the tool and its very easy to use
Best regards
Yes that is correct, however if you don’t have that tool then this is another way to get the sprocket removed👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters ah ok, thats correct, =)
Do u have a list of tool needed to complete this job please from sockets and anything else needed apart from the parts thanks wicked video by the way 👌
These videos are priceless!
thanks for your videos mate .i,m a mechanic in australia and have just bought a 118d 2011 with a broken chain just wondering if they bent valves car was doing 100kmph when chain let go i,m about to remove engine to do chains
Hi George thanks for the information sorted my mini following your guide went well, thanks again your a star 🌟
Great to hear!
A very helpful video in an excellent high quality format indeed. Great work George :)
You can use the tool in your special timing tool set to remove high pressure pump sprocket while timing cover is on and break it loose . Instead of taking pump bolts out
Correct, the method I showed was for anyone who doesn’t have that tool👍🏻
Yeah I kept wondering what he did that, but then it clicked. Some people won't have the locking kit with that extractor, and they'd use a normal bolt to lock the flywheel, etc.
Thanks for loading this informative video 👌👌
I had a BMW with this engine thankfully never had any issues. But looking at how utterly highly engineered the chain and tensioner environment is, its hard to believe the issues some of these engines have had !
Great video. 👍
Does the the B47 timing chain have the same issue?
Thanks
Looking good. Mine is done now. It feels and sounds almost as good as when I got nine years ago.
Yep and at least our minds can be at rest for a bit haha
Hi, how much did it cost you mate ?
Most garages will charge you around £1000 or £1500 for timing chain, clutch and flywheel
@@GeorgeAusters Thank you for your prompt reply mate. Appreciate it.
George Austers My 320d is going to a Bmw specialist Monday for the timing chain, clutch and flywheel to be replaced, £1887 altogether 🤢
Hello george
Help full video thank you so much 😊😊😊
I’ve been a lifetime BMW fan and repair / Service technician but my love for BMW’s has gone down the pan. All of this work to change a timing chain is not acceptable.
i have also a x3 E83 year 2010 2.0D Xdrive also in this car you must replace the complete Motor for changing the belt ??And can I without replace the motor only check the belt,check the condition?
What an amazing video. Can I ask you a quick question please?
I'm about to buy a 2012 1.6D Mini Countryman and I think the engine code is: N47 C16 A. I know it's a long-shot, but do you by chance know if these engines are susceptible to the timing chain issues ? Certain websites are saying AVOID 2011, 2012 & 2013 Mini Countryman and another source says that BMW fixed the timing chain issue in 2009. Any ideas?
Thanks for your time and I look forward hopefully to a response.
Great work 🎉😊
Hi George
Can you tell me the difference between the N47 and N47T engine's?
Cheers Roy
Thank you again for a great insight into BMW world. I have just recently had my timing chain and clutch changed on my 1 Series what oil would you recommend for the N47 engine when I change it.
Should be linked in description of all my videos
In your timing kit there is a puller for the fuelpump sprocket. No need to loosen the pump! There is no timing on the pump. The mark only show where the key is for aligning it on the shaft.
About the cylinders 1 and 4 top center - as you blocked the flywheel doesnt they always be in that position for sure? I mean is ot possible to block the flywheel in incorrect position? Does is have more than one hole where you can push pin in?
I just wonder why why need to make sure about the cylinder position after blocking the flywheel
George, brilliant videos which have given me the confidence to replace a timing on a mini countryman. I can see the link to the timing chain kit but not the locking tool. Might be me missing it but would you be able to post the link to it as there's so many different ones from cheap rubbish to very expensive kits & yours look pretty good quality.
Glad I'm able to help David. This is probably the best kit you can buy: amzn.to/30juWC3
the later n47 engine use the different crankshaft locking tool, no longer 45 degree after TDC
I have done it many times on bmw N47 and N57 without any locking tools
Hi there do you have to lock high pressure fuel pump?
I didn't really check to see if someone pointed this out already, but the 2 black parts in the top left and right side of the locking set are made for the fuel pump sprocket removal. No need to bash at it with a mallet (even a plastic/soft one). Great work nevertheless!
Yeah I realised what it was for after lol... this is a good method If you don’t have that tool though!
AMAZING VIDEO! Just wanted to get your feedback on the FAI timing chain. I’ve heard mixed reviews, but what is your feedback from it? Thanks!
Please tell me your Exeter Devon way. Great videos very useful information.
I've come to revisit your videos regarding timing chain. I'm about to do mine, how is the FAI chain holding up? And if you can still provide the link to purchase, that'll be amazing. Many thanks.
Yep still fine: ebay.us/WjwhiS
So you take out the old chain and put on the new one, after putting on the new chain, is there anything that needs to be adjusted so that there is no problem with the ignition or the piston does not hit the head or there is no slow ignition, can someone explain to me because I did not understand good in the video, and whether something needs to be adjusted at the gearbox after the machine is put back together
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George Austers hi ,how many times you need complete for this work,changing the belt etc...10-12hours?
Hi George, link to the timing chain kit doesn’t seem to be loading? Could you provide another link please or name or details? Thanks!
I've got a 123d 2008 and had a chain replacement couple years back, but it ran dry a little few month back after a oil leak now that's sorted I have a little rattle from the chain, been told might be worth trying to change the tensioner bolt that accessible from the outside, what do you think and where is it? Thanks mate good video
Hello ,why need the hpfp Needs to be on time ? I dont understanding why the pump need to be in time,its commonrail!
Great video George, at the moment am rebuilding my gearbox 6sp on e91 n47 and just wondering which workshop or factory manual would be good for rebuild.
Thanks mo
do ya think you could replace the stem seals with the on this engine using the rope method with the head still on and with the timing kit?
How do you remember where all the parts go when re assembling? Nice video.
Fairly self explanatory
I take photos every step of the way when dissembling critical mechanical parts.
Hi George, when in milage terms does a chain need doing, or what gives away the need for it to be done? I was under the impression that these chains are self regulating so in theory do not need changed. Mine has done 210k miles so far and seems OK. I am thinking about doing the serpentine belt and associated pulleys cause that is a little squeaky now and the belt is defo needing doing, but this job is way beyond me despite how well you've documented the process, and figure it may be too much money to throw at a 210k miles machine.
Thank you very much sir . use full video.
If the chain jumps what damage do they normally do?
Is engine removal just more convenient if one doesn’t have a fairly high lift? A few videos on RUclips show engine remaining in bay and transmission removed for chain access and assembly
If you have a lift and transmission jack then you can do it with the engine still in the car but it’s so much more comfortable with the engine out of the car
is the procedure with B47 engine (instead of here shown N47) any different? If so, in what exactly? Thank you, great video!
This might be a stupid question but what do you mean by cylinder 1 and 4 at top dead center?
I’m not too experienced but you’ve motivated to do this entire job by myself, so I’ll have to rely on every resource I’ve got. And your videos are really helpful George! How do I know the timing is correct when replacing the chain and could you elaborate around the top dead center and the degrees you mentioned later in the video? Thank you very much!
My fuel pump on mark , cranshaft on tdc. I miss one step I DONT DO 45 deg :( this is big mistake?? Pressure good. Help please .
Can this job be done with engine in car, while removing gearbox ?
Yes.. But not fun if you don't have a lift
Very helpful video, im just asking
i have bmw x1 n47 2.0 diesel twin power turbo, you thing still have the timing chain issue , even it's the 2013 model ? Thanks,
Yes
thanks appreciate for your reply 👍
Hi George, are the two left most parts in your timing tool kit a press to seperate camshaft/high pressure pump sprocket? Looks like there's an internal thread on the camshaft sprocket itself that these parts would screw into to push the sprocket off the high pressure pump shaft, I'll be doing mine soon I reckon after watching these videos - cheer for the great content.
nem 1970 Yes that is correct, thank you appreciate the support!
I done those N47 engine timing chains for last 3 years. I love doing this.
Hi George, how have you got on with the FAI timing kit? How many miles have you covered with it?
Almost 30,000 so far
Excellent video as usual
👍
I have the 116D from 2014 with an N47T engine, do you know if it has the same chain problem?
Holly crap that’s a big job I think I’m gonna cry or my wallet
George what is your opinion regarding the N47 as an unreliable engine with rampant sudden timing chain snapping off issues on google??
BMW designed this engine in their lunch break!
Haha. It’s actually a very good engine once you’ve sorted the common problems👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters I was going to say the same. Mine was done 5k miles ago and I just changed the front wheel bearings. The car is very nice to drive. Obviously it's not a very powerful engine but it severs me perfectly.
@@GeorgeAusters naah, i like the m47 better, they dont have the problem with the timing chain
i think its just sad, that the timing chain may start to rattle on n47 after 100k miles...
old chains engines were supposed to run to eternity :D
@@Useriom I have an old school sprinter, 214 000 miles the chain and tensioners are still perfect
@@Useriom exactly, I can now clearly hear the noise, the car is a second hand one with 130K miles. Changing a new timing chain may cost £1000....
Hi George, currently having my timing chain replaced and the engine rebuilt after this failed with no warning signs. It was about due but QQ re the clutch and flywheel do you recommend any to purchase privately or let the garage purchase this? I’ve been quotes no labour costs for this but clutch and flywheel @ circa £600. Engine rebuild has been expensive! I searched for you after watching the vid as you are quite local to me! Didn’t know if you fancied a project 😂
I don’t have the time or space to take on another project at the moment mate!
Hello mate I think my timing chain has snapped so the AA recovery guy said is there anyway or me confirming this by looking at the engine (I don’t have a clue about cars) cheers
Don't listen to the aa they're not even mechanics I had one recover me once adamantly saying my timing chain had snapped till I jumped it at home and it started the look on his face
You have tool to remove a high-pressure fuel pump but you use a hammer.🤣🤣
Hi many hours shud u allow for doing whole job, removeing an fitting engine an chain
Depends how fast you work
The tool to time the fuel pump is not in my set. Does it matter if it’s not spot on? I’ve got it to where I think it’s right by referring to pics I’ve taken and comparing to them but I just need a second opinion. Some people are saying it doesn’t matter as long as the cams and crank are in time.
HPFP should be timed to 45degrees after TDC
Wow. Amazing work guys. How much would this cost for a garage to do?? Looks expensive.
Around £1000
Great video
I’m looking of doing it on my 318d
Does the process differ between the 318 and 320? As most of the material online is For the 320
George great video obviously a while since you done this in doing mine now new chains guides etc but I’ve noticed that the new oil pump chain seems to have a lot of slack in it about half inch is this normal do you know any advice appreciated thank you
Yes oil pump chain is supposed to have slack
thank you mate
@@GeorgeAusters
Hi when buying new chain kits. Is there a place you'd recommend? Or is there more durable and better chains on the market?
Thanks.
The kit i've linked in the description
hi budy that tool case isnt available these days do you know any other one or the same one elsewhere?
Does the link not work?
Where do you buy the new Chain kit? Bmw dealer ?
I am confused, it states on internet my Bmw X1 e84 2014 diesel has a timing chain, but i have a timing belt at the front? Is the cam belt a timing belt? Amateur enquiry.
That’s your drive belt, not cam belt
@@GeorgeAusters Lol okay, cheers 👍👍powers the alternator, power steering pump, air conditioning compressor,
Would it make sense to change just the upper timing chain tensioner as a service part? No noice from the engine yet, but high mileage.
In my opinion you may as well do the whole lot👍🏻
Hello George,I live in Spain Ibiza and I'm a mechanic here.I have a BMW X1 sDrive 18d 2013 N47D20C.It came to me as it has dumped all its oil into the exhaust thus smoking and depleated the engine oil.Thinking a problem with turbo,checked the intercooler for oil and did'nt find much oil in the intercooler.seams to be breathing heavy.Wondered if you could possibly have any advise please.Strange the car has only done 70k km.
season best wishes to you and your family.Regards Doug
Why hit pump off when the kit u have has the sproket removal tool?
To show people who don’t have the tool how to remove👍🏻
Hi George, i have been watching your videos while i try to repair my X1 N47 engine. your videos are quite thorough and i enjoy them. i have a question about my car. I reside in town called Bunbury in southwest of Western Australia. My car wouldnt start after i turned it off at my friends house. its a MAN transmission. Before i take the engine out and dismantle it to figure out why it wont start i wanted to ask you if you know or have heard of the sypmtom my car has. Initially i thought the piston may have siezed but I can turn the crank about 3/4 turn and it stops there. i can reverse the turn and same thing happens after about 3/4 turn. so pistons are not seized but something is stopping the engine from turning the full circle. i was wondering if you have heard anything like this before. i heard no noise when i stopped the car that suggests something is broken inside. i would appreciate your help.
Regards
Vish
Sounds like timing chain snapped
Hi mate any issues with the new chain kit it all running as it should no rattles after a few years ?
Still running sweet 25k miles on👌🏼
Hi George, when you moved the crankshaft by 45degrees did turn the locking tool clockwise or anticlockwise. I turned my locking tool anticlockwise to align the locking tool, so the 10mm bolt could be bolted. I have the fuel pump on the mark and the camshaft marks lined up. Turned the engine and it locks in a certain position. Any ideas. Thanks Paul
Did you get an answer on this
Hi Scott, the crankshaft holding tool which is bolted the the side frame of the engine, throws the crankshaft timing off. It's usually common practice to lock camshaft, crankshaft, and fuel pump timing together to ensure there is no movement. BMW are obviously trying to confuse the DIY mechanic. You need to ensure the crankshaft is at tdc. The best way to achieve this is to put a long Philips head screwdriver into cylinder 1, turn the crankshaft until cylinder 1 & 4 are at the highest position. The camshaft marks should also line up. If you time the crankshaft using the crankshaft holding tool the engine will lock up, pistons will hit the valves😢
Hi George. Why In some videos I see that some mechanics are not turning engine 45° ATDC? I have engine with pump that has been timed 0° TDC, not like you did. After 2000rpm starts to vibrate like crazy, and then stalls. Should the pump be timed correctly, even if its a common rail?
I did this quite a while ago now so can’t remember why but I know you need to do it👍🏻
Great video. Looking forward to the refit. Just wondered. Why you slackened the fuel pump rather than use the sprocket removal tool that's in the locking kit? Screws into the fuel pump sprocket and it simply comes away. From other videos I've seen without the need to slacken the pump. As I say. Great informative videos. Not at all a critisism. It's great what you do. Just for my peace of mind. Cheers. Keep up the great work. 👍
Yeah I realised that’s what it was for half way through but thought it would be a good idea to show people how to remove it without the tool👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters I see 😂 can't wait for the chain install. I notice when you took the sump & cover off. No gaskets! I have bought the chain kit (FAI) and a gasket set. Has the a sump gasket and timing cover gasket!! Think they are maybe an after thought or upgrade? Not sure what you will be doing. Sealer? Cheers 👍
What do you do with a small piece of head gasket. Do you put any silicon there?
Mate when you take off the chain cover on the top of it there is a bit of head gasket. Do you put any silikon there when put the cover back to seal it? Or just leave it as it is.
Can’t remember now, won’t hurt to put some sealant on it though
So basically what you’re demonstrating is that it’s an unbelievable in the arse to do and I should just sell/burn my car before it explodes? 👍🏼 Awesome!
Haha it's a very rewarding job once you've done it!
George Austers Yeah, I’d love to get it done, and that’s a great instructional video, but there’s definitely a space and equipment issue on my part 🤣
Hello, I have a 320D 2009 and have a rattly chain. Is there anywhere in the south east that I can get it replaced at?
I'd recommend looking for a BMW specialist
@@GeorgeAusters thanks. I've been advised that if I plan on keeping the car then I should pay extra and have the whole engine rebuilt, what are your thoughts on this?
Any video on the rocker cover gasket? Thanks
ali ali.hijazi70@yahoo.co.uk watch part 3
Mine rattles a bit 🥲also have rocker cover oil leak and now and then the car looks like it’s on fire because of smoke coming from the bonnet. Also comes in through the heater when it’s done that
Get it done
@@GeorgeAusters The rocker i will but they want £2800 for the chain to be done
mines a march 2005 N47 with 135000 miles chain not done yet. Not sure i should sell it or get it doen.
Yours will be an M47
Link to Amazon tool kit not working George.
What make is it or will any of them do the job?
Cheers
Hi do you use lifting ramp to take of engine or can be done on driveway ?
Watch my video removing the engine
I have replaced the chain but now my rear main seal keeps leaking. I've changed the rear main seal and still out coming out between transmission and engine. Is there something I'm doing wrong or is the timing cover misaligned or something? What's the tightening sequence?
Did you use sealant or the gasket on the timing cover?
It didn't have a gasket it had RTV. I used RTV silicon. Is there any way that the timing chain cover isn't centralised or something?
Hi George, very useful video!, Do you know off hand what size the top tensioner bolt is? I have tried a 22mm but doesn't fit and a 24mm fits but is rounding off the bolt, can you confirm it's a 23mm?
I am working with the engine still in the car due to where i live and accessibility problems so very difficult working blind.
Some manufactures use different sizes so i'm not sure.
One of the reasons why I decided to remove the engine, makes things much easier.
@@GeorgeAusters Fair one, i live in rented accommodation with no gardens on a 30 degree hill so engine crane would be rolling off down the hill. Thanks for the reply, looks like i'll have to buy a 23mm socket.
@@stephenbarnes5341 Makes sense then!
Great Video, I’ve got a 2009 118D which makes a tapping sound at about 1700RPM+. I’ve got a video of the noise it makes on my channel would be interested to see what you think 🤔
very nice video. how many hours you need to change timing chain, included extraction and return engine.
No more than one day if the garage has appropriate tools, heard from FB group
Hi George, do you fix for clients? My partners in the NHS and her timing chain just gone on series 1 63 plate 118D pretty sure N47 model. Ringing locally to me no garages interested.
I’m not doing jobs on other cars at the moment sorry
Hi George, very helpful video. Just rebuilding my N47C20A on my 2011 Mini SD. Why is the high pressure pump timed do you think?. When I locked the crank with the tool at 45 degrees ATDC my fuel pump sprocket mark was pointing at 7 o'clock as opposed to the mark which is around 8 o'clock. It's was probably one tooth out. My chains were perfect and the cams were timed spot on. It ran fine before but I have only had it a couple of months and have only just got round to doing it, DM flywheel was the main reason for stripping it. Perhaps it'll surprise me when it's back together mate.....Cheers Rich
Hi George. I too am doing a mini 2015 same engine and i noticed the same with pump timing mark. did you have any issues as i can see why its timed.
sorry rich i mean.
Please how much did all the kits cost you and can I get them on internet?
Links in description
Hello mate. Answer me, what could damage if you turn the engine to the other side? Counterclockwise.
Can cause the timing chain to slip if you’re not careful
@@GeorgeAusters Thank you very kind