Celestials in the comics and in the First Guardians of the galaxy are giant robot looking ancient beings. In the comics ego has had different origins over time, and the writers decided to say he lied about previous origins. Long story short, he's not a celestial. Here's a wikipedia page detailing his origin history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_the_Living_Planet#Fictional_character_biography
It's great to see someone who does appreciate the nuance and depth that was given to Ego as a character, rather than just dismissing him as "yet another psychopath" at the end... which he IS, but he's also one with a really fleshed-out philosophy and history within the MCU cosmic side of things. I think it's important to appreciate that Ego truly is a monster, but it's not because he's incapable of more - if anything, he's more evil because he has the potential to be a decent person, but he rejects it because of his "egoism"; if he wasn't so self-absorbed he would have cherished his time with Meredith and reconsidered what was important to him (the Expansion, or the family legacy he might have had). This is why it REALLY grinds my gears when people dismiss the middle part of the film as pointless filler or overlong, purely because they seem to not see that it's ABOUT giving some depth and nuance to Ego and Peter's relationship; it's not just about giving Ego layers before he shows his other side, it's also about contrasting him with his son... See, while Peter is understandable fascinated by his Celestial genes and what they make him, more than just a normal man, ultimately he DOES value other people where his father does not; however tempted he was by the promise of immortality, he cherishes those he cares for (even when he's fighting with Gamora over the meaning of his family) and when Ego reveals he's the reason Meredith died, Peter immediately rejects what his biological father stands for and along with the Guardians, he defeats and kills Ego to save the entire universe. There's just... so much there which doesn't get enough appreciation, I feel; Ego is easily in the Top 10 MCU film villains for me, possibly even Top 5 if I can hash it out (albeit, when counting the Tv shows...) Anyhow, if it's alright with you I'd like to link this analysis on Tv Tropes (and maybe elsewhere) - I like this sort of thought being put into something, and how put-together it all is. As many people as possible should see your videos, because you really try hard to not leave anything out...
Borjan Kosarac Absolutely, link it around! I think whats great about Ego is that he doesn't seem to be lying about loving Meredith Quill. A lesser movie's Ego would just be pretending to love Meredith to trick Peter and the team into going along with his plan, but that's not Ego's game. He's just the completely relatable crappy guy that you meet everyday who tricks himself into believing he cares about people so that he doesn't feel bad about doing whatever he wants.
... And who just happens to have the power to end all life in the universe. Yep, all that normal stuff, right ;-D BTW, thanks so much - I'll get right onto it! :-) I completely agree with you, and I think that adds an additional dimension to the character than if he were simply lying; note the many comments he makes at various points in the film. Like, he says that he hired Yondu to bring Peter to him, but "for some reason he decided to keep you"; even if he realised that Yondu felt terrible upon learning what Ego was doing to his progeny (which is debatable), it seems he truly doesn't understand HOW this would drive Yondu to try and protect and raise Peter as a form of penance - especially considering his trafficking of kids led to the other Ravager clans banishing him (so he was searching for family), and Yondu is a pretty crummy person who probably knew he'd never be a good father... but tried his best anyway, because the alternative was unthinkable to him. Or how Ego couldn't set foot on Earth with Meredith dead on it - even with her gone, it would probably remind him of her and he feared THAT anchoring him and thus, his abandoning the Expansion. Then there's his appreciation of Earth culture through its music, and how he fondly remembers that Meredith could memorise every song on the radio - that sort of attention to detail MIGHT be attributable to a calculating mind, but I think it's also telling how of all the facts he has learned through his long life he recalls this so clearly. He even attributes the story in "Brandy" to himself, which both shows his depth of personality AND his narcissism - he's the sailor in the song, the one who values the sea more than the "fine wife [Brandy] would be", but he misses that Brandy is the actual hero of the tale being told; it's about the little person who does NOT see the forest for the trees as Ego does, but values the smaller things for what they are. It's a geniously-subtle condemnation of that sort of thinking that lacks the kind of perspective and makes people into those kinds of monsters - Ego shuns companionship (besides Mantis who helps him sleep, and Peter who can help his plan) because he doesn't try to understand their value from another light; Peter, who inherited his mother's compassion and love along with his father's (both of them) abrasive hubris, does love his friends even as he struggles to relate to or understand them half the time. A hero is as they say, only as good as their villain, and a villain like Ego truly elevates the strength of character a hero like Star Lord will demonstrate. Not just him of course, there's also his contrast to Yondu (and note how they never exchange dialogue yet we get everything we need to know about their relationship already), to Thanos (as an abusive father-figure to Mantis, essentially his foster daughter like Gamora and Nebula are to the Mad Titan - yes, big purple has a presence there!), and arguably even to the Guardians as a whole (who co-parent Baby Groot). I could single out each character there further to find a contrast (especially Drax who lost his family unwillingly, yet still can find love for his new family unit the Guardians), but I think you get the point. ^.^'
Another aspect that they added to movie Ego was the fact that he’s a Celestial. Now, whether he’s connected to the MCU Celestials for real is unknown, but he does have some aspect similar to the Celestials in the comics.
I'm glad you mentioned this because the reference to Ego being a Celestial kind of bothered me. The MCU version of the Celestials was already introduced in the first Guardians movie. Having Ego refer to himself as a "Celestial" in this move is just confusing to us fans, because he is so different to the MCU version, which was more faithfully portrayed in the previous film. Why did they do that? Couldn't they have made a different choice in describing Ego? I'm OK with reinventing characters or races (like they did with Star-Lord's dad), but it felt like the reference to the Celestials between Guardians 1 and 2 was a bit of bait and switch.
Andy Wilson I thought about that too, and later came across a comment someone posted saying that Ego wasn't really a celestial like he said, and that he was only claiming to be one because he thought highly of himself. They said it made sense for him to have the name "Ego" to go along with his big ego that he had, thinking that he was the best thing in the universe. Later in the film he also tells Peter "We are gods!" Which also wasn't true so that kind of adds on to that theory. But yeah I do agree with you it just made it confusing when the film makers decided to have him say he was a Celestial
Alex Huerta I like this explanation. I guess I'd be more satisfied with it if the writers made this just a little more explicit. Like having Groot say something on the side in his grootspeak with Rocket responding, "I agree. He doesn't look like a Celestial." I don't know. I have to see the movie again, but I was just thrown off balance by that comment and I generally don't like it when the writers need the audience to fill in the plot holes for themselves. Perhaps a future Guardians movie with the *real* Celestials in it will provide some resolution.
Andy Wilson well, Ego is just a brain made of energy in the movies. Do you remember a floating celestial head in the Guardians movies? And yes, I’m 2 years late but I though I would say it anyway.
@@andywilson5234 I’m about 3 years late, but to be fair, Ego isn’t exactly known to be honest, he very easily could’ve been lying about being a celestial.
Great video. But I think you sould also include Ego Prime, A body created from Ego genetic material who I think was the main inspiration for Ego's look in the film.
I like that one a lot. In researching the video, I did come across Ego Prime briefly but I had trouble finding very much info on the character. It's a shame they didn't go all in. That beard/hair combination is strong and no man can rock a speedo quite like Kurt aka Captain Ron.
There was something i noticed. in GotG1, knowhere is the severed head of a celestial, missing a brain. In GotG2, Ego started out as a celestial brain, just floating in space without any memory. 2+2 = Celestial that got his head punched in (and his brain punched out).
His character was mostly based on the master of the sun, Star-Lord's original father before it was retconned into being J'son. He is a guy with a long beard who literally represents God (and Star-Lord represented Jesus in his first appearance, hence the name) who turns out to be a bad guy afterwards. In the film, Ego is an inmortal being who can manipulate matter, is super powerful and is an ancient almost omnipotent force who created himself. Kurt Russell himself has said he loves the character BECAUSE he is basicly god. They even gave Ego the looks of the Master of the Sun. In the comics, the master of the Sun gives Star-Lord super powers of matter manipulation, and so does Ego in this film. I can't believe you didn't mention this character.
To be fair. Sometime after the Guardians of the Galaxy movie came out. Someone altered both the Wikipedia page and every page related to starlord and wiped the history on his OG astrological daddio from his original magazine run later taken over by Claremont.
But they killed him on his first screen appearance, I guess Ego could have been a Palpatine like villain for Peter Quill and his gang and having him get killed on the third film
I’m watching this after End Game and it’s funny when he says movie cap isn’t the same as current comic cap and shows the slide where he says hail hydra which happens in end game 😂😂😂👌
I really want there to be a part in Infinity War part 1 or 2 where Erios shows up on Earth and for whatever reason hears the phrase "We need your help Star Fox!" from Star Fox 64 and calls himself Star Fox believing it to be the title of a chosen saviour figure on Earth.
Late to the party but great breakdown! I love your Gardener parallel and I think there's an even deeper cut at play here: The character of "God" from Star Trek V. Vol. 2 gave us an answer to "What does God need with a starship?" To go find Peter, obviously.
"He wasn't Ego... and that's okay." More people should have your way of thinking. I used to be very strict with ''EVERYTHING SHOULD BE STRAIGHT FROM THE PAGE!'' But now I realize that if you can create a great villain that isn't exactly like the character from the comic, go for it. Makes movies better and more interesting.
CAN make the movie better, but only if your adaption of the villain is better, which is not always the case. also if you stray too far from the source material you should call it something else.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The Marvel multiverse contains many different universes. All the comics hail from a variety of universes, with many characters being wildly different. The MCU is its own universe within the Marvel multiverse. Therefore any differentiation is still very much canon.
@Matthius Köenig Yup, that's what matters. Things like Gunn's Guardians or MCU Iron Man work so well because what they did with the characters was more interesting than the comics. That's why I think stuff like Spider-verse's take on Miles was so loved but also why things like early MCU Spider-Man or Snyder's takes on Batman and Superman disappointed many. If you can't do something better than the original, don't change it. Only do it if you have something to ADD as opposed to taking something away.
This video is so in-depth it's fantastic. I already knew about ego not actually actually being the comic accurate version of Peter Quill's dad but this tells me about that and about what makes the movie version and not even to mention a brief synopsis of all the characteristics of the people surrounding these main characters, I'm subscribing
Ego might be my fave MCU villain (besides Loki ofc). I found him genuinely frightening because you didn’t know what he would do next, and he believed so strongly in his plan. Most villains do but I actually BELIEVED him this time.
People didn't mind Ego in the MCU because J'Son was such a non entity in Peter Quill's life (has a matter in fact him and Spartax is a retcon itself) during Dan Abnett's run and then Bendis made him into an unlikeable jerk that everyone hated. Ego isn't exactly a character that was really nuanced in the comics either so a lot of Cosmic fans weren't upset or bothered. Hela is a different character than Death (who is suppose to be neutral and all about balancing the universe which Thanos mentions in the trailer and it's also something Hela didn't care about) and she has with different motivations. Hela also wouldn't work as Thanos' motivation for what he's doing. That said Hela most likely won't be in Avengers 4 since Cate was busy filming another movie while that movie was being filmed and was in another part of the world.
Good job man! I've got a MASSIVE comic book collection and I know it's a good breakdown when it's got me going through the multitudes of boxes I've got looking to expand on the different theories put forth. Albeit just for my own entertainment but that's what it's all about. Thanks man!
*slow clap* the Gardener part...just wow, WOW. Also we have seen more than 2 elders of the Universe, there is a third one i.e. THE STRANGER, yes STAN LEE is the STRANGER
Dotm Shockwave I get where you're coming from, but to be honest concepts like the one above all from marvel and the presence from DC are just ways for them to jump around the idea of God, God, Allah or what may you without being direct about it. And why is Stan Lee not the one above all, well the OAA does not need to appear in human form to observe the world, but when he does, it usually a matter of great importance wherein he has to talk to someone eh. Peter Parker in the comics, he never just materializes into a person and observes aimlessely. He is not an assistant to the watchers either because they don't need one, at when it comes to their WATCHING duties. Why is he THE STRANGER? because it is in the strangers conception to be a mysterious and enigmatic figure with no clear motives for his actions, he can just appear wherever whenever and do whatever without having to explain himself, it is in his nature, he is not there to WATCH OR OBSERVE OR FIX anything he just does whatever he pleases. Not to mention the stranger in the comics kinda does look like Stan Lee ie. The white mustache and hair (minus the glasses of course). Stan Lee being the stranger is a fool proof explanation that doesn't require justification by marvel because he is just some strange old man who love popping up during interesting times in superhero lives(as he always does in the comics).
Thats just the problem isn't it? Stan Lee is not "experiencing the lives" of these heroes in these cameo, he's just there minding his own business, if he has no intention of directly interacting with them why bother making an avatar? besides its all just fun cameos without any mean (as of right now), but me saying he is THE STRANGER is just from a logical standpoint as it seems the most plausible (the least amount of faults or contradictions) but hey, if you wanna go with the fanboy theory then he is the OAA, god knows theres is no convincing a comicbook fan on an opinion contrary to their own. lol no honestly tho, i just think saying he is the OAA is just an easy out and kinda lazy theory if you think about it.
I mean he literally is THE CREATOR. Im not trying to get religious but there is something to it. Also he does directly interact in civil war and in some other films. In fact he almost interacts more with the characters as these films go on. Even giving thor a haircut and interacting with the watchers.
I think my major problem with the MCU movies is they kill off important characters or characters who in the comics are near impossible to kill so they get weakened enough that they flee just because they are villains and they ignore how important they are to the overall story like helping against greater threats like Thanos and other incredibly powerful threats. It would of been like killing Magneto in the first X-men movie it would make no sense many of them are far too important to throw away like that but they do it anyways.
This is a great video! I also agree that these movie adaptations give us even more stories to love in addition to the stories we've read in comics for years.
Lots of characters are amalgams in these types of movies. Its fine. Never expect them to be 100% the same as the comic book versions. I like change to keep things interesting.
combining the best parts of the thousands of obscure comic characters sounds like a great idea to me. Beats seeing the same big gray final boss villain at the end of every movie.
I think you're right on about the Gardener, I remember right when this movie came out they did a big Guardians arc in the comics with him as the villain and he was very movie-Ego
YES YES YES YES YES YES THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! I knew all of these too!!!!! And I'm so relieved to find someone who likes Ego as much as me BUT have you seen the comic version of Egos human avatar??!! They beard on him does look like Kurt Russel!!!! au.pinterest.com/explore/ego-the-living-planet/ But because of how in depth and likeable your argument was you have just earned a new subscriber and full supporter for your channel!!!
I feel like there was also a bit of the Beyonder in there. Especially in his origin. A godlike consciousness, floating in space pondering what it's purpose is. It starts to create things, form matter and eventually creates its own world that is all apart of itself.
I like how he said “it’s probably a long shot” even though that easter egg is so plausible. Anyone else would be like “EGO IS GARDENER CONFIRMED EAST EGG!!!” and then claim they’ve found the last infinity stone...
I read one the comments in here stating that Ego IS a Celestial whose essence is not inside a suit but rather formed to become a planet, perhaps by gathering space-stuff to cover its vulnerable self. I like this idea because it gives the Celestials weakness that can be exploited, making them powerful but not OP.
I like that they are making I like that they are making the movies different than the comics because that way you won't know what to expect. Walking Dead started doing that concept first and it has proven to be great for people that are fans of the shows or movies and the books.
I completely agree, when I heard Ego I didn’t expect celestial powers to be in play, but it made his character so much more interesting than a living planet
I'm agreeing - and this is a common thing. E.g., today, how Sylvie is both Lady Loki and also Enchantress. The best attributes of each combined. I think they're doing it to give the character some depth in powers and personal story, because otherwise you might end up with the situation in Iron Man 2 of a handful of easily dispatched lesser villains. Or a character that as a one-note works on the page (Superman's Doomsday) ends up being a flat and pointless side thing in a larger story, and comes across as a waste.
Interesting run down. I do like how the movies draw on many sources to remix the stories and characters, kinda like the comics have always been doing. Even in Sam Raimi's Spider-man, Mary Jane was an amalgam of many of Peter's girl-friends. The look, name and acting -aspiration of Mary Jane. The girl next door childhood crush who gets kidnapped and thrown off a bridge like Gwen. And she was the popular girl at school who slowly grew to love him like Liz.
Extremely well done. Nailed it on all the influences. I'd say The Gardener isn't even that deep a cut because he was one of the holders of an Infinity Stone before Thanos Quest. I do agree that Nebula's garden line was indeed a nod. Can't wait to watch some more of these videos!
I'd like to think that StarLord still has some powers that will take a while to rediscover since Ego is gone, but it's in his DNA. He has his own light within, not as great, doesn't make him immortal, but gives him a little extra every now and then. maybe it's quite taxing on him to use so he can't use it all the time and things are still hard and interesting to watch, but it'd be cool if it's still there to come extent instead of just a one movie thing.
I like the gardener thing. Makes me wonder if they'll reveal the elders to be celestials. The collector might be on nowhere because it's his a rival of his, and it's kid of a trophy, and the grandmaster has some weird connection to sakar, so it could hold up. I just hope they do more with these guys soon.
Eros's Feel good power , is like when friend talks to and make's you feel and happy to have them around, but it's like times ten. He's also a very good manipulater like how stock sale's men call people and make them feel great when they invest in stock's.
the ultimate goal of man is plant their flag in hot alien babes! At least it's mine, I think this Star Fox (no not that Star Fox) and I could really get along!
its a short video that movie viewers did not get a chance to see. But Trevor Slattery gets kidnapped by the Ten Rings. And they say "HE is mad at you impersonating him."
The only reason they didn't do the real Mandarin character is they didn't want to anger the Asian market. I think Marvel may have even be warned by the Chinese government if I remember correctly. I don't think we will ever see him and if we do it will just be another white guy like Trevor, or maybe a middle easterner like the 10 rings were portrayed as in the first Iron Man movie.
I don't think it ever needed fixing. Personally, I thought IM3 was the best one and people were just butthurt that they didn't get what they expected and judged the movie they wanted rather than the movie it actually was.
jakerockznoodles it was a shitty movie with an annoying bait and switch. I knew nothing about the original Mandarin at the time, and still thought it was the lamest thing I had seen yet. It remains awful.
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Ego in the comics is known for lying about his origins. I like to believe the movie Ego lied about being a celestial.
If not a Celestial, then what could he be? I'm not doubting you, you've just caught my attention and I'm curious.
Celestials in the comics and in the First Guardians of the galaxy are giant robot looking ancient beings. In the comics ego has had different origins over time, and the writers decided to say he lied about previous origins. Long story short, he's not a celestial. Here's a wikipedia page detailing his origin history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_the_Living_Planet#Fictional_character_biography
Oohhh right. Thanks! :D
He had to be lying. There is no way movie Ego is a celestial.
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The MCU isn't the same as the comics. And that is fine.
Making Star Lord the son of an alien king is better than making him the son of a literal celestial. That made him more relatable.
@@YungBeezer It definitely didn't change anything for me.
sithmastur “more relatable” sorry mate, but I don’t know anyone who’s the son of an alien king
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@@anxietyicecream2250 your kidding. I know way more sons of alien kings than celestials...
You could say it's an...
Alter Ego
Sir Needlemouse this is a year late, but, go away. Lol
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Thought you were going to complain about Ego not being exactly like the comic Ego, was pleasantly surprised. Great work.
i thought this would be a rant and im glad its not
As he said, knee-jerk reaction.
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It's great to see someone who does appreciate the nuance and depth that was given to Ego as a character, rather than just dismissing him as "yet another psychopath" at the end... which he IS, but he's also one with a really fleshed-out philosophy and history within the MCU cosmic side of things. I think it's important to appreciate that Ego truly is a monster, but it's not because he's incapable of more - if anything, he's more evil because he has the potential to be a decent person, but he rejects it because of his "egoism"; if he wasn't so self-absorbed he would have cherished his time with Meredith and reconsidered what was important to him (the Expansion, or the family legacy he might have had). This is why it REALLY grinds my gears when people dismiss the middle part of the film as pointless filler or overlong, purely because they seem to not see that it's ABOUT giving some depth and nuance to Ego and Peter's relationship; it's not just about giving Ego layers before he shows his other side, it's also about contrasting him with his son... See, while Peter is understandable fascinated by his Celestial genes and what they make him, more than just a normal man, ultimately he DOES value other people where his father does not; however tempted he was by the promise of immortality, he cherishes those he cares for (even when he's fighting with Gamora over the meaning of his family) and when Ego reveals he's the reason Meredith died, Peter immediately rejects what his biological father stands for and along with the Guardians, he defeats and kills Ego to save the entire universe. There's just... so much there which doesn't get enough appreciation, I feel; Ego is easily in the Top 10 MCU film villains for me, possibly even Top 5 if I can hash it out (albeit, when counting the Tv shows...)
Anyhow, if it's alright with you I'd like to link this analysis on Tv Tropes (and maybe elsewhere) - I like this sort of thought being put into something, and how put-together it all is. As many people as possible should see your videos, because you really try hard to not leave anything out...
Borjan Kosarac Absolutely, link it around! I think whats great about Ego is that he doesn't seem to be lying about loving Meredith Quill. A lesser movie's Ego would just be pretending to love Meredith to trick Peter and the team into going along with his plan, but that's not Ego's game. He's just the completely relatable crappy guy that you meet everyday who tricks himself into believing he cares about people so that he doesn't feel bad about doing whatever he wants.
... And who just happens to have the power to end all life in the universe. Yep, all that normal stuff, right ;-D
BTW, thanks so much - I'll get right onto it! :-)
I completely agree with you, and I think that adds an additional dimension to the character than if he were simply lying; note the many comments he makes at various points in the film. Like, he says that he hired Yondu to bring Peter to him, but "for some reason he decided to keep you"; even if he realised that Yondu felt terrible upon learning what Ego was doing to his progeny (which is debatable), it seems he truly doesn't understand HOW this would drive Yondu to try and protect and raise Peter as a form of penance - especially considering his trafficking of kids led to the other Ravager clans banishing him (so he was searching for family), and Yondu is a pretty crummy person who probably knew he'd never be a good father... but tried his best anyway, because the alternative was unthinkable to him. Or how Ego couldn't set foot on Earth with Meredith dead on it - even with her gone, it would probably remind him of her and he feared THAT anchoring him and thus, his abandoning the Expansion.
Then there's his appreciation of Earth culture through its music, and how he fondly remembers that Meredith could memorise every song on the radio - that sort of attention to detail MIGHT be attributable to a calculating mind, but I think it's also telling how of all the facts he has learned through his long life he recalls this so clearly. He even attributes the story in "Brandy" to himself, which both shows his depth of personality AND his narcissism - he's the sailor in the song, the one who values the sea more than the "fine wife [Brandy] would be", but he misses that Brandy is the actual hero of the tale being told; it's about the little person who does NOT see the forest for the trees as Ego does, but values the smaller things for what they are. It's a geniously-subtle condemnation of that sort of thinking that lacks the kind of perspective and makes people into those kinds of monsters - Ego shuns companionship (besides Mantis who helps him sleep, and Peter who can help his plan) because he doesn't try to understand their value from another light; Peter, who inherited his mother's compassion and love along with his father's (both of them) abrasive hubris, does love his friends even as he struggles to relate to or understand them half the time.
A hero is as they say, only as good as their villain, and a villain like Ego truly elevates the strength of character a hero like Star Lord will demonstrate. Not just him of course, there's also his contrast to Yondu (and note how they never exchange dialogue yet we get everything we need to know about their relationship already), to Thanos (as an abusive father-figure to Mantis, essentially his foster daughter like Gamora and Nebula are to the Mad Titan - yes, big purple has a presence there!), and arguably even to the Guardians as a whole (who co-parent Baby Groot). I could single out each character there further to find a contrast (especially Drax who lost his family unwillingly, yet still can find love for his new family unit the Guardians), but I think you get the point. ^.^'
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Borjan Kosarac great analysis. I feel I have a much greater appreciation for Ego in GOTG. Thank you
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i have to admit, that was a really thought out breakdown
"...he just wasn't Ego." but more importantly he wasn't *just* Ego.
Another aspect that they added to movie Ego was the fact that he’s a Celestial. Now, whether he’s connected to the MCU Celestials for real is unknown, but he does have some aspect similar to the Celestials in the comics.
I'm glad you mentioned this because the reference to Ego being a Celestial kind of bothered me. The MCU version of the Celestials was already introduced in the first Guardians movie. Having Ego refer to himself as a "Celestial" in this move is just confusing to us fans, because he is so different to the MCU version, which was more faithfully portrayed in the previous film. Why did they do that? Couldn't they have made a different choice in describing Ego? I'm OK with reinventing characters or races (like they did with Star-Lord's dad), but it felt like the reference to the Celestials between Guardians 1 and 2 was a bit of bait and switch.
Andy Wilson I thought about that too, and later came across a comment someone posted saying that Ego wasn't really a celestial like he said, and that he was only claiming to be one because he thought highly of himself. They said it made sense for him to have the name "Ego" to go along with his big ego that he had, thinking that he was the best thing in the universe. Later in the film he also tells Peter "We are gods!" Which also wasn't true so that kind of adds on to that theory. But yeah I do agree with you it just made it confusing when the film makers decided to have him say he was a Celestial
Alex Huerta I like this explanation. I guess I'd be more satisfied with it if the writers made this just a little more explicit. Like having Groot say something on the side in his grootspeak with Rocket responding, "I agree. He doesn't look like a Celestial." I don't know. I have to see the movie again, but I was just thrown off balance by that comment and I generally don't like it when the writers need the audience to fill in the plot holes for themselves. Perhaps a future Guardians movie with the *real* Celestials in it will provide some resolution.
Andy Wilson well, Ego is just a brain made of energy in the movies. Do you remember a floating celestial head in the Guardians movies? And yes, I’m 2 years late but I though I would say it anyway.
@@andywilson5234 I’m about 3 years late, but to be fair, Ego isn’t exactly known to be honest, he very easily could’ve been lying about being a celestial.
Great video. But I think you sould also include Ego Prime, A body created from Ego genetic material who I think was the main inspiration for Ego's look in the film.
I like that one a lot. In researching the video, I did come across Ego Prime briefly but I had trouble finding very much info on the character. It's a shame they didn't go all in. That beard/hair combination is strong and no man can rock a speedo quite like Kurt aka Captain Ron.
It was not even real it was a trick ! so he can destroy / take over earth ! .
There was something i noticed. in GotG1, knowhere is the severed head of a celestial, missing a brain. In GotG2, Ego started out as a celestial brain, just floating in space without any memory.
2+2 = Celestial that got his head punched in (and his brain punched out).
At least this is better than "cosmic cloud" Galactus from Rise of the Silver Surfer.
His character was mostly based on the master of the sun, Star-Lord's original father before it was retconned into being J'son. He is a guy with a long beard who literally represents God (and Star-Lord represented Jesus in his first appearance, hence the name) who turns out to be a bad guy afterwards. In the film, Ego is an inmortal being who can manipulate matter, is super powerful and is an ancient almost omnipotent force who created himself. Kurt Russell himself has said he loves the character BECAUSE he is basicly god. They even gave Ego the looks of the Master of the Sun. In the comics, the master of the Sun gives Star-Lord super powers of matter manipulation, and so does Ego in this film. I can't believe you didn't mention this character.
Wow that is an interesting one. I had never heard of him before. Definitely some strong similarities there.
Well, if you're gonna do a video about Star-Lord's father you should do some basic research XD Good video anyways
OH MY GOD HOW COULD I FORGET HIM!!!!! marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Master_of_the_Sun_(Earth-791) He is absolutely right thanks Zemo!!!
God of Evil file disappeared
To be fair. Sometime after the Guardians of the Galaxy movie came out. Someone altered both the Wikipedia page and every page related to starlord and wiped the history on his OG astrological daddio from his original magazine run later taken over by Claremont.
You forgot the Celestials. Knowhere was based inside the head of a Celestial.
Uno what if u remember knull the guy who made venom he used a celestials head to make the symbiotes imagine knowhere is knulls place
@@faithiswhatumakeit4354 its actually the very same head he cut off
Ego was great villain, not many people realized that.
he is rival to the bests. and im not just talking about mcu
But they killed him on his first screen appearance, I guess Ego could have been a Palpatine like villain for Peter Quill and his gang and having him get killed on the third film
I’m watching this after End Game and it’s funny when he says movie cap isn’t the same as current comic cap and shows the slide where he says hail hydra which happens in end game 😂😂😂👌
GOTG 3000
but under way different circumstances
I really want there to be a part in Infinity War part 1 or 2 where Erios shows up on Earth and for whatever reason hears the phrase "We need your help Star Fox!" from Star Fox 64 and calls himself Star Fox believing it to be the title of a chosen saviour figure on Earth.
heck yeah, makes me sad he might not show up
Hehehehe nice idea
Hey... I think I've seen you on some Bionicle comments section.
Xplodenator me? Or the other guys?
Dr. Madd
Late to the party but great breakdown! I love your Gardener parallel and I think there's an even deeper cut at play here: The character of "God" from Star Trek V.
Vol. 2 gave us an answer to "What does God need with a starship?" To go find Peter, obviously.
hey man ,
you made some great points in this vids .....great work
"He wasn't Ego... and that's okay." More people should have your way of thinking. I used to be very strict with ''EVERYTHING SHOULD BE STRAIGHT FROM THE PAGE!'' But now I realize that if you can create a great villain that isn't exactly like the character from the comic, go for it. Makes movies better and more interesting.
CAN make the movie better, but only if your adaption of the villain is better, which is not always the case. also if you stray too far from the source material you should call it something else.
True, but that doesn't stop the MCU.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The Marvel multiverse contains many different universes. All the comics hail from a variety of universes, with many characters being wildly different. The MCU is its own universe within the Marvel multiverse. Therefore any differentiation is still very much canon.
@Matthius Köenig
Yup, that's what matters. Things like Gunn's Guardians or MCU Iron Man work so well because what they did with the characters was more interesting than the comics.
That's why I think stuff like Spider-verse's take on Miles was so loved but also why things like early MCU Spider-Man or Snyder's takes on Batman and Superman disappointed many.
If you can't do something better than the original, don't change it. Only do it if you have something to ADD as opposed to taking something away.
Gardeners of the Galaxy😂😂😂
I died when Drax laughed in that scene.
Any rlm fans here?
She actually says gardens of the Galaxy.
This video is so in-depth it's fantastic. I already knew about ego not actually actually being the comic accurate version of Peter Quill's dad but this tells me about that and about what makes the movie version and not even to mention a brief synopsis of all the characteristics of the people surrounding these main characters, I'm subscribing
I read the title thinking "eggo isn't eggo" thanks duffer brothers.
This is still one of my favorite Nando videos.
Ego might be my fave MCU villain (besides Loki ofc). I found him genuinely frightening because you didn’t know what he would do next, and he believed so strongly in his plan. Most villains do but I actually BELIEVED him this time.
People didn't mind Ego in the MCU because J'Son was such a non entity in Peter Quill's life (has a matter in fact him and Spartax is a retcon itself) during Dan Abnett's run and then Bendis made him into an unlikeable jerk that everyone hated. Ego isn't exactly a character that was really nuanced in the comics either so a lot of Cosmic fans weren't upset or bothered.
Hela is a different character than Death (who is suppose to be neutral and all about balancing the universe which Thanos mentions in the trailer and it's also something Hela didn't care about) and she has with different motivations. Hela also wouldn't work as Thanos' motivation for what he's doing.
That said Hela most likely won't be in Avengers 4 since Cate was busy filming another movie while that movie was being filmed and was in another part of the world.
Good job man! I've got a MASSIVE comic book collection and I know it's a good breakdown when it's got me going through the multitudes of boxes I've got looking to expand on the different theories put forth. Albeit just for my own entertainment but that's what it's all about. Thanks man!
*slow clap* the Gardener part...just wow, WOW. Also we have seen more than 2 elders of the Universe, there is a third one i.e. THE STRANGER, yes STAN LEE is the STRANGER
Stan Lee is OAA
Stan lee is the one above all not the stranger
Dotm Shockwave I get where you're coming from, but to be honest concepts like the one above all from marvel and the presence from DC are just ways for them to jump around the idea of God, God, Allah or what may you without being direct about it. And why is Stan Lee not the one above all, well the OAA does not need to appear in human form to observe the world, but when he does, it usually a matter of great importance wherein he has to talk to someone eh. Peter Parker in the comics, he never just materializes into a person and observes aimlessely. He is not an assistant to the watchers either because they don't need one, at when it comes to their WATCHING duties. Why is he THE STRANGER? because it is in the strangers conception to be a mysterious and enigmatic figure with no clear motives for his actions, he can just appear wherever whenever and do whatever without having to explain himself, it is in his nature, he is not there to WATCH OR OBSERVE OR FIX anything he just does whatever he pleases. Not to mention the stranger in the comics kinda does look like Stan Lee ie. The white mustache and hair (minus the glasses of course). Stan Lee being the stranger is a fool proof explanation that doesn't require justification by marvel because he is just some strange old man who love popping up during interesting times in superhero lives(as he always does in the comics).
Thats just the problem isn't it? Stan Lee is not "experiencing the lives" of these heroes in these cameo, he's just there minding his own business, if he has no intention of directly interacting with them why bother making an avatar? besides its all just fun cameos without any mean (as of right now), but me saying he is THE STRANGER is just from a logical standpoint as it seems the most plausible (the least amount of faults or contradictions) but hey, if you wanna go with the fanboy theory then he is the OAA, god knows theres is no convincing a comicbook fan on an opinion contrary to their own. lol no honestly tho, i just think saying he is the OAA is just an easy out and kinda lazy theory if you think about it.
I mean he literally is THE CREATOR. Im not trying to get religious but there is something to it. Also he does directly interact in civil war and in some other films. In fact he almost interacts more with the characters as these films go on. Even giving thor a haircut and interacting with the watchers.
Comic characters have so much history and nuance to them, so it only makes sense that they'd make amalgamations of some traits into one character.
i through ego's power is kind like a cosmic power , yeah is a light but all light energy in space is cosmic power .
Wouldn't any energy power, from the far reaches of space, be considered as a cosmic power?
Will Endowed true but not the Power Cosmic
I think my major problem with the MCU movies is they kill off important characters or characters who in the comics are near impossible to kill so they get weakened enough that they flee just because they are villains and they ignore how important they are to the overall story like helping against greater threats like Thanos and other incredibly powerful threats. It would of been like killing Magneto in the first X-men movie it would make no sense many of them are far too important to throw away like that but they do it anyways.
OMG , I just found 1 video of yours then more in the recommended and now all my tabs are ur videos, ready to watch. I love ur vids man
You could almost say he's an...
... "alter" ego.
Saw a bunch of your videos. Let me tell you. You are a rare type of RUclipsr who deserves a lot more.
This is a great video! I also agree that these movie adaptations give us even more stories to love in addition to the stories we've read in comics for years.
Lots of characters are amalgams in these types of movies. Its fine. Never expect them to be 100% the same as the comic book versions. I like change to keep things interesting.
I'm so happy you mentioned Aida from Agent of Shield, I absolutely loved and feared her character
6:45 IT WAS CUT! Thsnk you. I rewatched the movie solely for that scene. Was dissapointed.
Just found this channel by chance and i'm glad i did. Great stuff man.
combining the best parts of the thousands of obscure comic characters sounds like a great idea to me. Beats seeing the same big gray final boss villain at the end of every movie.
How have I not found this channels sooner damn these videos are so addicting!
I think you're right on about the Gardener, I remember right when this movie came out they did a big Guardians arc in the comics with him as the villain and he was very movie-Ego
When I first saw Ego I thought it was Robin Willaims....
Well.... Williams and Russell did star in the 80's movie Best of Times.
But Robin Williams died sadly. :'(
Nice Tango and Cash ref at the end
YES YES YES YES YES YES THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! I knew all of these too!!!!! And I'm so relieved to find someone who likes Ego as much as me BUT have you seen the comic version of Egos human avatar??!! They beard on him does look like Kurt Russel!!!! au.pinterest.com/explore/ego-the-living-planet/ But because of how in depth and likeable your argument was you have just earned a new subscriber and full supporter for your channel!!!
Hey this isn't a rant video wow you flipped my expectations great video Man have a 👍
I feel like there was also a bit of the Beyonder in there. Especially in his origin. A godlike consciousness, floating in space pondering what it's purpose is. It starts to create things, form matter and eventually creates its own world that is all apart of itself.
Wow that WAS a deep cut! Nicely done.
i for one like all the changes they made from comic to movie
I like how he said “it’s probably a long shot” even though that easter egg is so plausible. Anyone else would be like “EGO IS GARDENER CONFIRMED EAST EGG!!!” and then claim they’ve found the last infinity stone...
Still think Zemo is the best non-super powered villain in the MCU. Also LOVED what Iron Man 3 did with the Mandarin.
Only 11 comments. Welp, now there's 12.
Great vid btw, ^^
I know this video is a little old, but watching your videos, had to subscribe. Great job on these videos! Can't wait for justice league rewrite part 3
I read one the comments in here stating that Ego IS a Celestial whose essence is not inside a suit but rather formed to become a planet, perhaps by gathering space-stuff to cover its vulnerable self. I like this idea because it gives the Celestials weakness that can be exploited, making them powerful but not OP.
Thor 3: asguardians of the galaxy?
Awesome Breakdown Bro
I like that they are making I like that they are making the movies different than the comics because that way you won't know what to expect. Walking Dead started doing that concept first and it has proven to be great for people that are fans of the shows or movies and the books.
Great theories! 🙏🏽TY4 sharing your brain!🙌🏽
You wanna know who else is technically an Elder of the Universe?
Ego the Living Planet.
So glad this wasn’t a rant about how Marvel got the colour of his eyes wrong and that ruined your childhood. Well done.
You forgot about David Hasselhoff ;)
I completely agree, when I heard Ego I didn’t expect celestial powers to be in play, but it made his character so much more interesting than a living planet
Great analasis. Keep it up. This was my first of your videos and it wont be the last.
Cottonmouth from Luke Cage was excellent. so was his in story sister.. huge acting chops there.
Movie Ego simply came in existance without a creator. So is Ego a Boltzmann brain?
I think Kurt Russell also brought some of himself into the role. He has his charm from movies like Overboard and Big Trouble in Little China.
Earth 199999 = MCU
People need to stop thinking it's a literal 616.
2:04 Zaphod?
Nah Zaphod is the president of the universe.
I'm agreeing - and this is a common thing. E.g., today, how Sylvie is both Lady Loki and also Enchantress. The best attributes of each combined.
I think they're doing it to give the character some depth in powers and personal story, because otherwise you might end up with the situation in Iron Man 2 of a handful of easily dispatched lesser villains. Or a character that as a one-note works on the page (Superman's Doomsday) ends up being a flat and pointless side thing in a larger story, and comes across as a waste.
Pls do more of these types of videos!
I think that these are all fair comparisons. good job.
This is a good channel bro I'm subscribing at 5,532 keep up the good work
Some great points and really easy to listen to! Subbed!
In one of the shots of Ego's planet towards the end of the movie it looks like it has a face. Cool reference to the original Ego
Interesting run down.
I do like how the movies draw on many sources to remix the stories and characters, kinda like the comics have always been doing.
Even in Sam Raimi's Spider-man, Mary Jane was an amalgam of many of Peter's girl-friends.
The look, name and acting -aspiration of Mary Jane.
The girl next door childhood crush who gets kidnapped and thrown off a bridge like Gwen.
And she was the popular girl at school who slowly grew to love him like Liz.
A lot of these feel like a stretch but its still good food for thought
Great ideas all a round
Great video, loved it!
WOW, Great job, I have learned so much, also VERY VERY fuuny, congrats:)
Great video bro and I’m loving your videos and you got a new subscriber
Had no idea Edward the 8th was married to Joseph Gordon Levitt
the light also acts like the power primordial that the elders of the universe draw on
It's not MCU, but ...I'm always reminded of that one star trek movie; Spok's brother, and the entity they find at the center of the galaxy.
Ego: Wears clothes made from the skins of his own children
Nando: A real natural outfit
Ego's plan was honestly really clever... with the exception of his whole 'sire a kid' thing.
"He just wasn't Ego, and that's ok!" Couldn't have said it better myself
Wonderful video!
Extremely well done. Nailed it on all the influences. I'd say The Gardener isn't even that deep a cut because he was one of the holders of an Infinity Stone before Thanos Quest. I do agree that Nebula's garden line was indeed a nod. Can't wait to watch some more of these videos!
I'd like to think that StarLord still has some powers that will take a while to rediscover since Ego is gone, but it's in his DNA. He has his own light within, not as great, doesn't make him immortal, but gives him a little extra every now and then. maybe it's quite taxing on him to use so he can't use it all the time and things are still hard and interesting to watch, but it'd be cool if it's still there to come extent instead of just a one movie thing.
I like the gardener thing. Makes me wonder if they'll reveal the elders to be celestials. The collector might be on nowhere because it's his a rival of his, and it's kid of a trophy, and the grandmaster has some weird connection to sakar, so it could hold up. I just hope they do more with these guys soon.
"The light" in the movie is supposed to be power cosmic
This is an excellent explanation of this amalgamation
J’son of spartax should have been Star lords dad
yeah Ego was a change for the better
Eros's Feel good power , is like when friend talks to and make's you feel and happy to have them around, but it's like times ten. He's also a very good manipulater like how stock sale's men call people and make them feel great when they invest in stock's.
great job dude!
I think even more important is that ego is the embodiment of the concept of ego
the ultimate goal of man is plant their flag in hot alien babes! At least it's mine, I think this Star Fox (no not that Star Fox) and I could really get along!
Suspect that quest isn't going so well for you is it buddy.
Wow, thanks. I learned a lot, and you earned a new subscriber! :)
They have fixed the Mandarin mistake done in Iron Man 3 in the All the Hail the King short film. So Guy Pierce is not the Mandarin.
how did they fix it?
its a short video that movie viewers did not get a chance to see. But Trevor Slattery gets kidnapped by the Ten Rings. And they say "HE is mad at you impersonating him."
The only reason they didn't do the real Mandarin character is they didn't want to anger the Asian market. I think Marvel may have even be warned by the Chinese government if I remember correctly.
I don't think we will ever see him and if we do it will just be another white guy like Trevor, or maybe a middle easterner like the 10 rings were portrayed as in the first Iron Man movie.
I don't think it ever needed fixing. Personally, I thought IM3 was the best one and people were just butthurt that they didn't get what they expected and judged the movie they wanted rather than the movie it actually was.
jakerockznoodles it was a shitty movie with an annoying bait and switch.
I knew nothing about the original Mandarin at the time, and still thought it was the lamest thing I had seen yet. It remains awful.
I completely understand. I was wondering if ego (star Lord's father) was the same as ego(the living planet) or ego (elder of the universe)
Thanks for the exploration of this character. I just wish I agreed that it ended up being a good one.