Here's how I see it. Music is thriving, the commercial space is rotting, and the industry has turned into niche entertainment. Although I am 40, I still take time to find new music to enjoy. However, that involves looking outside of where most typically look. If you're curious, my current favorite modern songs are "The Circle" and "We are the Vanguard." These songs may not be everyone's cup of tea, but those songs I listen to as often as the music from my teen years and my twenties.
@@thenamesbaka17 I should've mentioned that. Anyways. The Circle is composed by Daisuke Ishiwatari and voiced by Naoki. Made for the Guilty Gear Strive soundtrack. We are the Vanguard is by Nano with additional vocals by Demondice. It is one of those that use samples for the instruments, but I do say the vocal work is nicely done.
May we remember that MCR dressed up in their revenge outfits and only played their biggest hits at When We Were Young, but the twist was them wearing old man makeup and was a silent message to the crowd saying this could have been what happened, but it didn’t with them.
Remember people: Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam are still around. So is Radiohead. Stop waiting for Kurt to come back, listen to the artists that we still have. See them live. Appreciate them while we *still* HAVE them.
Short Answer: Definitely Long Answer: There’s nothing wrong with inspiration, but we need new rock bands headlining festivals (post grunge, numetal, Shoegaze, hard rock alternative, punk), innovative non corporate pop, and for R&B we should bring back some of them slow rhythms from the past but that should ALSO be innovative. And when I say new, with all respect to Greta Van Fleet, but we can’t afford to have anymore tribute bands or bands that have STRONG inspiration from a singular band from the past, we need infusions.😭😭😭
The movie industry also has a big nostalgia problem. (*coughs* Disney remakes and many overstretched franchises!) Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good sequels AND remakes, even today, but yeah!
Don’t forget all those revival series’ of TV shows from the 2000s/early 10s. Granted I’m saying that and I’ll admit I’ve been following the iCarly revival. So many other shows have returned at roughly the same time.
There’s some movies that uses nostalgia well, I would say Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun: Maverick, even the recent Scream movies to an extent. Because yeah it’s fun seeing the old characters again and catch the references, but they actually help elevate the story and characters, bring something new to the franchise, and doesn’t become a distraction. But others like the Disney remakes (minus Jungle Book), Matrix, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the recent horror reboots like Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, even these revival series, they just nothing under the surface but “Hey you remember this?”
I absolutely agree Jon, I think there are so many artists out right now, that are doing so many great things trying to push music forward. They just aren’t getting enough attention, because everyone wants to go back to the 2000s, or the 90s or whatever. I think it’s import to embrace the past, but also look to the future of music, especially in rock music, because that’s one style of music, that loves looking backwards.
"Sam Johnson" Thing is people who want to go back to the 00s and think it was a simpler time fail to realize that this decade had the war on terror and paparazzi's stalking celebs.
@@lethybridtheorygolucastheo2191 Yep. Say it louder for the people in the back. Most people need to take off the nostalgia glasses and smell the coffee. The 2000s wasn’t rainbows and kittens, y’all.
Ride the Lightning is my most listened to album of this year so far, but for some reason I never get nostalgic for it. I do get tired of it sometimes, but after a few weeks of not listening to it, it still sounds fresh to my ears. It's the same thing with Rust In Peace by Megadeth and Angel Dust by Faith No More.
I think it's super interesting and I've noticed the exact times in the past where people are nostalgic for it and it influences music, just a few examples include: 1960s - stars of yesteryear such as Frank Sinatra have huge comeback hits (Strangers In the Night for example). Songwriters such as Burt Bacharach create music heavily inspired by traditional pop in order to be different from Beatlemania 1970s - Rock n roll music gets infused with glam rock (Elton John, David Bowie) and has a whole rock n roll revival genre (Sha Na Na, Showadawoddy and other bizarre band names) 1980s - 60s aesthetics come back. George Harrison has some of his most successful solo work, and forms Travelling Wilbury's with other 60s icons such as Roy Orbison and Bob Dylan. Lots of influence from Motown and soul, and Billy Joel has multiple hits (Uptown Girl, Tell Her About It) heavily inspired by 1960s music. Re-releases of songs by the likes of Jackie Wilson and Nina Simone become hits. 1990s - Punk rock from the 70s is revitalised, becoming mainstream again with Green Day and Blink. Disco inspired acts such as Jamiroquai have big hits, bands such as Fleetwood Mac reform with their iconic 70s line-ups I think 2000 is quite confusing but the last decade goes without saying with all the Stranger Things style stuff along with The Weeknd's After Hours, Miley's Plastic Hearts and so on. and then all the sampling - Super Freaky Girl, that one Yung Gravy track. it's definitely annoying and especially with how it waters down the sounds of the 80s (like lets be real Blinding Lights doesn't sound like an 80s song), but it's something that's happened for years. also happy belated birthday Jon!
The video we’ve all been waiting for. Thank you, Jon. I’ve been dealing with this notion every day for the past two years. It’s gotten on my nerves every single time.
My only issue with 80s throwbacks it seems like most artists have only heard a single album from the 80s. At least Bruno Mars takes from more than a single source. It's nuts how a 12 year old Lady Gaga song is the only 80s throwback with a sax solo. the term "Yacht rock" didn't exist until 2005 yet nobody has made a Yacht rock revival.
Agreed. I dislike overly selective nostalgia and that has been happening with the 80s more as the focus has been increasingly on genres that were actually fairly niche at the time but seem played out now due to the focus on them and those trying to mimic the sound, in particular gothy dark wave and post-punk. To people born in the 90s and after, hardly anyone was listening to or was aware of that music then. There was a lot more variety than that, both in popular music and non-mainstream. Debbie Gibson was a lot more popular than Kate Bush, in the US at least, but far more younger people will know of the latter than the former now. Kate Bush is great but even the cheesy, upbeat Italo/freestyle inspired Debbie Gibson (who supposedly wrote most of her music btw), and others like her that are getting ignored now, is charming and better matches the vibe for many young people then compared to the darker, artier Kate Bush sound and style. Even the newer post-punk inspired music is lacking saxophones like you said and saxophones were common in several genres in the 80s.
@@the_letter_b It's kinda crazy how a major record label let Debbie Gibson a teenager write and produce her debut album. The 80s was pretty nuts on when they let people have full creative control. It was a toss-up fr.
My top 5 bands this year so far are Bad Religion, Green Day, The Kinks, Sepultura and The Rolling Stones. Last year's top 5 were The Who, The Beatles, The Kinks, Motorhead and Green Day. I'm putting The Kinks up in my top 5 again because I wanted to. And I'm hoping to get Megadeth up there as well.
I'll be 25 in a few months and I feel I still have a desire to discover new music that's in unearthed territory for me, but at the same time the past couple years I haven't been checking out as much stuff, simply because I've honestly been experiencing burnout of...pretty much everything I guess? (The pandemic along with my chronic fatigue and BPD might all be factors but still)
I only used to listen to older music because it was generally better. There was a time when I didn't listen to any music from 2010 or later which is odd for a teenager since that is technically my generation of music (Born in 2004). But there are always artists worth your time. You just have to find them. Bands like Prince Daddy and The Hyena, Microwave, Heart Attack Man and Hot Mulligan really give me hope for the future of rock and metal and reinvigorated my desire to discover music.
Another problem with nostalgia dictating things in music is in the realm of live music. I feel like so many tours and festival lineups are catering to nostalgia and putting even less of a spotlight on artists that aren't legacy acts.
I like Punk Rock, Hard Rock, Synthpop and West Coast Hip Hop, all together. The artists or labels are trying so hard with "The Nostalgia Vibes". It was cool at first, but I started to notice that they are trying so hard, just to fulfill more notes in the pockets. Sometimes I listen old tunes of genres that I said earlier, but I want to listen new stuff. New original tunes that it will blow our minds (now I'm overreacting 😅). In the end of the day, it's cool for nostalgia, and that's it. I will be in a voyage to a new music ✌️😉 Peace out, and have a good day Jon ✌️
Nostalgia sells. Even in TV and movies. The Stranger Things, for example, banked to much on nostalgia. Even if the story is so simple, people watch it. However, it becomes too much already. I can't put it in words, but I have this feeling like it's so overdone already. The same with music. You have these songs that take you back to the 90s or 80s era embellished with sick rap verses. They're fine at first, but when every artists tries to do it, it becomes tiresome and uninspired already.
I would have agreed with as little as 6-7 years ago, and maybe my situation is not the average as someone in recovery from addiction; but Sprained Ankle by Julien Baker acted like a catalyst, as I discovered music by David Bazan and Frightened Rabbit thru her interviews, and stopped listening to Brand New and Built to Spill records from 15 years prior (I still love them though). Recently I have fallen into a Ren rabbit hole, who if you haven't heard I very highly recommend. Especially 'Hi Ren'. An amazingly talented songwriter, guitarist, singer, rapper, storyteller, producer, actor, and probably more.
I know I bring this album up a lot, but I found that an album like Heroine by Thornhill is the perfect blend of nodding to the past while adding something new to the genre. I still it's one of the most overlooked albums of last year.
I’m 45 and still finding plenty of time to seek out new modern music that broadens my horizons, as well as going back to the decades when I was young and finding good music that I missed back then too. If the average listener taps out at 30, then I must be an anomaly.
I see this with video games as well. People want to feel nostalgic and yet companies like Atari try to give them a fake nostalgia even though there's ways to play those games again.
Unfortunately, I think the next stage of music is music made entirely by or helped out by AI. Wither we get a made up AI group that is as huge or bigger then Gorillaz or labels decide they want to speed up the recording process because an artist is taking too long to create the next (big hit) single AI is going to become a huge thing in music in the next 3-8 years.
It can feel like we're stuck repeating things because now we're reviving periods of time that were heavily reviving 20-30 years prior, both in entertainment and fashion. Some try to revive exactly as things sounded (and looked) 20-30 years ago, others add new twists. At the same time, there are many that act like everything else in the past besides the newest revival trend is outdated and irrelevant, and mainly that just new music matters, especially music with dance, trap, and edgy electronic beats, but even all of that seems played out at this point. Besides the common reasons given for nostalgia on a personal level, I think another reason is feeling overwhelmed with content, the amount of new music to keep up with keeps increasing and it's unrelenting. An issue with having nostalgia for a time before you were born or too young to really be aware of music and trends is misunderstanding what it was actually like and missing a lot that was more popular and common.
I've been thinking about something related to this for a long time, and even planned to comment in the "Rock Colosseum" chat so the 4 of you could give your thoughts, but chickened out. What do you think was the last decade of music with original mainstream music? 90s, maybe? Early 2000? It's feels like from (at least) 2010 to the present, the majority is callbacks to past eras.
There's definitely a thing called "toxic nostalgia." I haven't listened to these "rebooted tracks" but I know what you're talking about. Also, thanks for calling me out on my Taylor Swift hyperfixation. LOL. I have been listening to new stuff like Blackpink and Filipino artists like Vivoree and Alamat. Also, lo-fi video game music doesn't count, does it?
At least Taylor changes up her sound enough that you still get stuff you probably would not have heard otherwise. Do you think those girls in cowgirl boots in 2006 would have listened to something like Reputation if it didn't come from her?
I'm turning 30 this December and I have actively been looking for new bands and artists, in an effort to keep things from getting stale. However, most of it is not recent music. It's me going to back catalogs of groups that I know of but have never listened to and sticking to the genres that I know I enjoy for the most part and trying to find something new inside those genres, and occasionally taking a risk on some pop music when I need a change. There is so much music in history that I feel gets forgotten or overlooked or is only known by name by the current generation, or even my own generation (such as the Rolling Stones, Jethro Tull, Ramones, or Scorpions). Sometimes I feel like we are forgetting the past of our music. And I do think "nostalgiacore" is a problem. It's okay to harken back to good music but if it isn't as good as the original, 1) why bother? 2) no one is going to be drawn in to go look for those songs that are the very inspiration. I love songs that talk about an artist's love for a type of music with name drops and stuff but that isn't what I want to listen to all the time. It's good in bite sizes as a form of appreciation or worship of the past, not as a blatant cash grab or because the artist can't write about anything else. It takes away from the music they are trying to emulate. I think that's why I have trouble listening to Greta Van Fleet. Granted, I'm not a big fan of Led Zeppelin. I just don't connect to their music but I know it's amazing. I feel like if Greta Van Fleet were to change their sound a little bit each album to sound like a different group or something, maybe it would get to so tiresome. Whereas Olivia Rodrigo and Demi Lovato's last albums evoked a feeling out of me that made me refreshed and new coming from something that reflected the early 2000s pop-punk, but in their own ways. Which in contrast, Pale Waves seemed like they were like a Dollar Store brand version of Avril Lavigne's early days. And I'll also say, as a longtime fan of Avril, my favorite album of hers being the Best Damn Thing, she herself appears to be falling victim to the "nostalgiacore" act herself. Love Sux was fine but it was so far removed from what I wanted from her. I wanted the deep emotions and maturity that she had been showing since Goodbye Lullaby, which I don't think is a very good album but it had more heart in it than Love Sux did. I'm always hopeful for her next release but she is quickly getting on my nerves in an MGK kind of way, but that is beside the point.
I’ve been listening to more new music than ever partially because of subscribing to RUclips Premium but also because of you, SpectrumPulse, Mode Reviews, and CHR83. New favorites are Hurtwave,Dayseeker, Night Traveler and lots of Japanese music plus some UK drill. I do love 80s new wave so I can’t resist bands like Korine that are doing new wave today with a more indie vibe.
I'm 46 and I still listen to new music all the time. I go to a lot of shows, and half of them are bands I've never seen before. Not only does this allow me to discover some really original, new stuff, but it gives me a greater appreciation when I go back to my old likes from previous eras. It keeps the classics from feeling stale. It helps that this is mostly in the indie realm. Top pop is just... not it.
I was born in 1978 but I didn’t really get obsessed with pop music until I heard the 80s lunch hour on the local alternative station and discovered how awesome music from the 80s was. Depeche Mode, the Smiths,the Style Council, New Order etc all favorites when their music was released when I was 4-8 years old and way too young.
What was really exciting about the last few years of music is that it finally felt like something was gonna break, something fresh that explored the potential of mono genres. Much to my dismay and surprise, we've instead had to endure the residual waste of an entirely irrelevant genre at this point, EDM. The blatant sampling, the lack of any chorus in favor of some ear violating drop, absolutely zero sonic nuance or diversity, it's nauseating and needs to die!
Nostalgia in music is a double edged sword, incorporating motifs from old songs into something new can be sweet, ahem CRJ’s EMOTION, CHVRCHES and T&S’ Love You To Death for the 80s revival, but then you also get shit like that awful bebe rexa & david guetta song that ruins I’m blue by not getting the joke and genri-sizing a song that hit because of its quirk.
it's just lazy sampling, it ruins everything! they take the catchy popular part of an old song, base the entire new song on it, don't even add anything cool, and call it a day...
I believe that we can still create great things as a society!! I know that sounds unrealistic. But where's the balls?? We need a nirvana type of band or something. Everything is all rinse and repeat! Yeah, there's some good stuff out there. And nostalgia isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it can only do so much
People need to realize that the music they get nostalgic over isn't great because those particular artists relied solely on nostalgia from other songs to create them, but because they were made from a place of innovation and ingenuity, and I think music being created with that perspective is the only way we'll continue to hear records that are timeless.
So you used a clip from "The Farm" for your backdoor pilot joke, but didn't use a clip from "Prince Family Paper" for the speedbump analogy. Seems like a missed opportunity
I know there’s good new music out there somewhere, there must be. I just can’t find it. If I try, I just get flooded with commercial junk. ‘Listen to this, it’s had a billion streams. Must be good’. Bots will do that. McDonalds can scream what they like, most people served doesn’t make it a good restaurant. It’s still unhealthy crap.
Great video Jon! Really enjoy the Thinktank episodes!!!! Haha I just read AP’s recent ranking of all the red hot chilli peppers albums and I think it would make a somewhat interesting shall we say reaction video from you if you know what I mean 😅
Too many of today's attempts at nostalgia sound half-hearted and pathetic. It seems like more of a corporate tactic than anything - rebooting and remaking old names, brands, and sounds only to ruin your childhood by delivering poorly. I'm not against the idea of sampling as it has been used to great effect many times before, but artists deciding to use samples non-stop "because they can" will get annoying very quickly. I forget the name of the song that was sampled in Latto's "Big Energy", but I've heard it sampled in other songs too and I'm already tired of hearing it.
Movies and tv shows aren’t helping the nostalgic situation either.. how many of them feature a main character, say a serial killer for example, jamming out to an old 80’s hit whilst sharpening his knives or whatever..??
That’s odd. I’m nostalgic for old music, but that’s because back then, every noteworthy musician struck out for new shores. Ever since the Beatles (ever since Satie and Debussy, really, and don’t forget jazz), right through to at least the nineties. They were all inventors. Well, not all. I did say noteworthy. Whereas now everyone seems to follow one formula or other, as long as it can be created by computers. Today’s music, I don’t hear any creativity. At all. It’s like a Zippo or Bronson lighter compared to a Bic. If the Bic is empty, you bin it without a thought. People collect Zippos and Bronsons. Today’s music is like a Bic trying to look like a Zippo. If it can even be bothered. It’s so lazy, all that stuff. The computers don’t even bug me, although I don’t like artificial sounds. But the complete lack of ideas does. It’s like cars: everyone makes EV SUV’s now and they all look alike. We’re told that’s a good thing and not liking it is akin to being antisocial. Yeah. Now teach yourself about how batteries are made. It’s the worst junk. But it’s called a Mustang, more fool you. We used to believe we could change the world with music, and sometimes we were right. But the Powers That Be continue to be.
Ok, can we also stop and be thankful for a minute, John we waited a decade for rock to come bacl and yeah there is a lot of shit but there is more promise for the genre out there than there ever was in the 2010s you just gotta look. I'm 34 and I'm finding more different music now than I ever did in my 20s in the 2010s, noatalgis is there yes but with anything in popularity usually the shit floats first. I am thankful, gen z is doing what our generation failed to, keep rock alive
Nostalgia is not killing music, music has been around forever, and if nostalgia killed music it would have killed it a long time ago. Of course there is great bands out there today that no one has ever heard of, but that has been true the whole life of music. The whole point of saying music sucks now is that we don't get it handed to us anymore. Right? How's come I can watch music reactors that never listened to old music, now listening to it, and saying that its better than todays music? How, they did not live back then to get that happy feeling from it, creating nostalgia. I got my first tape recorder and cassettes in first grade in the 80s, my dad was in a band, I later was in a band, have loved music my whole life. I used to go every Friday to the record store and listen to all the new albums that came out. Then when Spotify was a round I would do the same every weekend and listen through all the new albums, it would take the whole weekend. Music sucks today, it just does, there is some great stuff out there, but nobody knows how to record anymore, I hear no dynamics, and when I do its in music like dubteb and edm. But yes there is a lot of great bands out there that no one ever heard of, and probably never will. It's always been like that.
Well I don't think music today is good at all it doesn't do anything for me. I just listen to them band's that I like and I'll check out their New albums
Nostalgia is killing everything. But that's not to say hey let's do the Last Jedi saying off "Let the past die, kill it if you have to". Just don't rely on it to prop up for your deficiencies in your own writing.
All nostalgia is "faux-stalgia" (fake nostalgia). It isn't real. It doesn't exist. Don't fall for the trap. You will only be disappointed. You can never go back again.
Where do you think music will go from here? Will sampling dominate, or do you see something fresh taking over?
i think sampling will dominate, sadly
Here's how I see it. Music is thriving, the commercial space is rotting, and the industry has turned into niche entertainment.
Although I am 40, I still take time to find new music to enjoy. However, that involves looking outside of where most typically look.
If you're curious, my current favorite modern songs are "The Circle" and "We are the Vanguard." These songs may not be everyone's cup of tea, but those songs I listen to as often as the music from my teen years and my twenties.
@@laughingfurry who are "The Circle" and "We are the Vanguard" by?
@@thenamesbaka17
I should've mentioned that. Anyways.
The Circle is composed by Daisuke Ishiwatari and voiced by Naoki. Made for the Guilty Gear Strive soundtrack.
We are the Vanguard is by Nano with additional vocals by Demondice. It is one of those that use samples for the instruments, but I do say the vocal work is nicely done.
@@laughingfurry Demondice... 💀💀🤮
May we remember that MCR dressed up in their revenge outfits and only played their biggest hits at When We Were Young, but the twist was them wearing old man makeup and was a silent message to the crowd saying this could have been what happened, but it didn’t with them.
Shut up man
Remember people: Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam are still around. So is Radiohead. Stop waiting for Kurt to come back, listen to the artists that we still have. See them live. Appreciate them while we *still* HAVE them.
And the Melvins. Another Grunge band from the Seattle area who are still together.
Short Answer: Definitely
Long Answer: There’s nothing wrong with inspiration, but we need new rock bands headlining festivals (post grunge, numetal, Shoegaze, hard rock alternative, punk), innovative non corporate pop, and for R&B we should bring back some of them slow rhythms from the past but that should ALSO be innovative.
And when I say new, with all respect to Greta Van Fleet, but we can’t afford to have anymore tribute bands or bands that have STRONG inspiration from a singular band from the past, we need infusions.😭😭😭
The movie industry also has a big nostalgia problem. (*coughs* Disney remakes and many overstretched franchises!)
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good sequels AND remakes, even today, but yeah!
Don’t forget all those revival series’ of TV shows from the 2000s/early 10s. Granted I’m saying that and I’ll admit I’ve been following the iCarly revival. So many other shows have returned at roughly the same time.
@@theseth455 Yeah, that too.
There’s some movies that uses nostalgia well, I would say Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun: Maverick, even the recent Scream movies to an extent. Because yeah it’s fun seeing the old characters again and catch the references, but they actually help elevate the story and characters, bring something new to the franchise, and doesn’t become a distraction.
But others like the Disney remakes (minus Jungle Book), Matrix, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the recent horror reboots like Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, even these revival series, they just nothing under the surface but “Hey you remember this?”
@gcolbyp I say the Toy Story sequels are also a perfect example of the first thing you said.
I absolutely agree Jon, I think there are so many artists out right now, that are doing so many great things trying to push music forward. They just aren’t getting enough attention, because everyone wants to go back to the 2000s, or the 90s or whatever. I think it’s import to embrace the past, but also look to the future of music, especially in rock music, because that’s one style of music, that loves looking backwards.
"Sam Johnson" Thing is people who want to go back to the 00s and think it was a simpler time fail to realize that this decade had the war on terror and paparazzi's stalking celebs.
@@lethybridtheorygolucastheo2191 Yep. Say it louder for the people in the back. Most people need to take off the nostalgia glasses and smell the coffee. The 2000s wasn’t rainbows and kittens, y’all.
Ride the Lightning is my most listened to album of this year so far, but for some reason I never get nostalgic for it. I do get tired of it sometimes, but after a few weeks of not listening to it, it still sounds fresh to my ears. It's the same thing with Rust In Peace by Megadeth and Angel Dust by Faith No More.
I think it's super interesting and I've noticed the exact times in the past where people are nostalgic for it and it influences music, just a few examples include:
1960s - stars of yesteryear such as Frank Sinatra have huge comeback hits (Strangers In the Night for example). Songwriters such as Burt Bacharach create music heavily inspired by traditional pop in order to be different from Beatlemania
1970s - Rock n roll music gets infused with glam rock (Elton John, David Bowie) and has a whole rock n roll revival genre (Sha Na Na, Showadawoddy and other bizarre band names)
1980s - 60s aesthetics come back. George Harrison has some of his most successful solo work, and forms Travelling Wilbury's with other 60s icons such as Roy Orbison and Bob Dylan. Lots of influence from Motown and soul, and Billy Joel has multiple hits (Uptown Girl, Tell Her About It) heavily inspired by 1960s music. Re-releases of songs by the likes of Jackie Wilson and Nina Simone become hits.
1990s - Punk rock from the 70s is revitalised, becoming mainstream again with Green Day and Blink. Disco inspired acts such as Jamiroquai have big hits, bands such as Fleetwood Mac reform with their iconic 70s line-ups
I think 2000 is quite confusing but the last decade goes without saying with all the Stranger Things style stuff along with The Weeknd's After Hours, Miley's Plastic Hearts and so on. and then all the sampling - Super Freaky Girl, that one Yung Gravy track. it's definitely annoying and especially with how it waters down the sounds of the 80s (like lets be real Blinding Lights doesn't sound like an 80s song), but it's something that's happened for years. also happy belated birthday Jon!
The video we’ve all been waiting for. Thank you, Jon. I’ve been dealing with this notion every day for the past two years. It’s gotten on my nerves every single time.
My only issue with 80s throwbacks it seems like most artists have only heard a single album from the 80s. At least Bruno Mars takes from more than a single source. It's nuts how a 12 year old Lady Gaga song is the only 80s throwback with a sax solo. the term "Yacht rock" didn't exist until 2005 yet nobody has made a Yacht rock revival.
Agreed. I dislike overly selective nostalgia and that has been happening with the 80s more as the focus has been increasingly on genres that were actually fairly niche at the time but seem played out now due to the focus on them and those trying to mimic the sound, in particular gothy dark wave and post-punk. To people born in the 90s and after, hardly anyone was listening to or was aware of that music then. There was a lot more variety than that, both in popular music and non-mainstream. Debbie Gibson was a lot more popular than Kate Bush, in the US at least, but far more younger people will know of the latter than the former now. Kate Bush is great but even the cheesy, upbeat Italo/freestyle inspired Debbie Gibson (who supposedly wrote most of her music btw), and others like her that are getting ignored now, is charming and better matches the vibe for many young people then compared to the darker, artier Kate Bush sound and style. Even the newer post-punk inspired music is lacking saxophones like you said and saxophones were common in several genres in the 80s.
@@the_letter_b It's kinda crazy how a major record label let Debbie Gibson a teenager write and produce her debut album. The 80s was pretty nuts on when they let people have full creative control. It was a toss-up fr.
My top 5 bands this year so far are Bad Religion, Green Day, The Kinks, Sepultura and The Rolling Stones. Last year's top 5 were The Who, The Beatles, The Kinks, Motorhead and Green Day. I'm putting The Kinks up in my top 5 again because I wanted to. And I'm hoping to get Megadeth up there as well.
I'll be 25 in a few months and I feel I still have a desire to discover new music that's in unearthed territory for me, but at the same time the past couple years I haven't been checking out as much stuff, simply because I've honestly been experiencing burnout of...pretty much everything I guess? (The pandemic along with my chronic fatigue and BPD might all be factors but still)
I’ve also been seeming to experience this certain jadedness for everything in modern times, as well.
I only used to listen to older music because it was generally better. There was a time when I didn't listen to any music from 2010 or later which is odd for a teenager since that is technically my generation of music (Born in 2004). But there are always artists worth your time. You just have to find them. Bands like Prince Daddy and The Hyena, Microwave, Heart Attack Man and Hot Mulligan really give me hope for the future of rock and metal and reinvigorated my desire to discover music.
Another problem with nostalgia dictating things in music is in the realm of live music. I feel like so many tours and festival lineups are catering to nostalgia and putting even less of a spotlight on artists that aren't legacy acts.
I like Punk Rock, Hard Rock, Synthpop and West Coast Hip Hop, all together. The artists or labels are trying so hard with "The Nostalgia Vibes". It was cool at first, but I started to notice that they are trying so hard, just to fulfill more notes in the pockets. Sometimes I listen old tunes of genres that I said earlier, but I want to listen new stuff. New original tunes that it will blow our minds (now I'm overreacting 😅).
In the end of the day, it's cool for nostalgia, and that's it. I will be in a voyage to a new music ✌️😉
Peace out, and have a good day Jon ✌️
Nostalgia sells. Even in TV and movies. The Stranger Things, for example, banked to much on nostalgia. Even if the story is so simple, people watch it. However, it becomes too much already. I can't put it in words, but I have this feeling like it's so overdone already. The same with music. You have these songs that take you back to the 90s or 80s era embellished with sick rap verses. They're fine at first, but when every artists tries to do it, it becomes tiresome and uninspired already.
I would have agreed with as little as 6-7 years ago, and maybe my situation is not the average as someone in recovery from addiction; but Sprained Ankle by Julien Baker acted like a catalyst, as I discovered music by David Bazan and Frightened Rabbit thru her interviews, and stopped listening to Brand New and Built to Spill records from 15 years prior (I still love them though).
Recently I have fallen into a Ren rabbit hole, who if you haven't heard I very highly recommend. Especially 'Hi Ren'. An amazingly talented songwriter, guitarist, singer, rapper, storyteller, producer, actor, and probably more.
Sprained Ankle is a beautiful album
Funny thing is i am finding awesome music that i have missed out in from the past 50 years+ just because it does not get the mainstream plays
Polyphia, Turnstile, Sleep Token, and Loathe are my favorite artists of the past few years
I know I bring this album up a lot, but I found that an album like Heroine by Thornhill is the perfect blend of nodding to the past while adding something new to the genre. I still it's one of the most overlooked albums of last year.
Heroine was fantastic
I’m 45 and still finding plenty of time to seek out new modern music that broadens my horizons, as well as going back to the decades when I was young and finding good music that I missed back then too. If the average listener taps out at 30, then I must be an anomaly.
Same with me, and I'm 40.
4:25 HE’S BACK!!!!
New music from us this year 😁 we swear it's not nostalgia pandering!
Nostalgia is cool, but it's quickly getting old. Music today definitely needs new ideas.
I see this with video games as well. People want to feel nostalgic and yet companies like Atari try to give them a fake nostalgia even though there's ways to play those games again.
Unfortunately, I think the next stage of music is music made entirely by or helped out by AI. Wither we get a made up AI group that is as huge or bigger then Gorillaz or labels decide they want to speed up the recording process because an artist is taking too long to create the next (big hit) single AI is going to become a huge thing in music in the next 3-8 years.
It can feel like we're stuck repeating things because now we're reviving periods of time that were heavily reviving 20-30 years prior, both in entertainment and fashion. Some try to revive exactly as things sounded (and looked) 20-30 years ago, others add new twists. At the same time, there are many that act like everything else in the past besides the newest revival trend is outdated and irrelevant, and mainly that just new music matters, especially music with dance, trap, and edgy electronic beats, but even all of that seems played out at this point. Besides the common reasons given for nostalgia on a personal level, I think another reason is feeling overwhelmed with content, the amount of new music to keep up with keeps increasing and it's unrelenting. An issue with having nostalgia for a time before you were born or too young to really be aware of music and trends is misunderstanding what it was actually like and missing a lot that was more popular and common.
I've been thinking about something related to this for a long time, and even planned to comment in the "Rock Colosseum" chat so the 4 of you could give your thoughts, but chickened out.
What do you think was the last decade of music with original mainstream music? 90s, maybe? Early 2000? It's feels like from (at least) 2010 to the present, the majority is callbacks to past eras.
Sampling is out of control right now.
That hair in the beginning made you lol like you’re in papa roach
There's definitely a thing called "toxic nostalgia."
I haven't listened to these "rebooted tracks" but I know what you're talking about.
Also, thanks for calling me out on my Taylor Swift hyperfixation. LOL. I have been listening to new stuff like Blackpink and Filipino artists like Vivoree and Alamat.
Also, lo-fi video game music doesn't count, does it?
At least Taylor changes up her sound enough that you still get stuff you probably would not have heard otherwise. Do you think those girls in cowgirl boots in 2006 would have listened to something like Reputation if it didn't come from her?
Demi Lovato did it extremely well imo!
I'm 28 and I still love discovering new music!
I'm turning 30 this December and I have actively been looking for new bands and artists, in an effort to keep things from getting stale. However, most of it is not recent music. It's me going to back catalogs of groups that I know of but have never listened to and sticking to the genres that I know I enjoy for the most part and trying to find something new inside those genres, and occasionally taking a risk on some pop music when I need a change. There is so much music in history that I feel gets forgotten or overlooked or is only known by name by the current generation, or even my own generation (such as the Rolling Stones, Jethro Tull, Ramones, or Scorpions). Sometimes I feel like we are forgetting the past of our music. And I do think "nostalgiacore" is a problem. It's okay to harken back to good music but if it isn't as good as the original, 1) why bother? 2) no one is going to be drawn in to go look for those songs that are the very inspiration. I love songs that talk about an artist's love for a type of music with name drops and stuff but that isn't what I want to listen to all the time. It's good in bite sizes as a form of appreciation or worship of the past, not as a blatant cash grab or because the artist can't write about anything else. It takes away from the music they are trying to emulate. I think that's why I have trouble listening to Greta Van Fleet. Granted, I'm not a big fan of Led Zeppelin. I just don't connect to their music but I know it's amazing. I feel like if Greta Van Fleet were to change their sound a little bit each album to sound like a different group or something, maybe it would get to so tiresome. Whereas Olivia Rodrigo and Demi Lovato's last albums evoked a feeling out of me that made me refreshed and new coming from something that reflected the early 2000s pop-punk, but in their own ways. Which in contrast, Pale Waves seemed like they were like a Dollar Store brand version of Avril Lavigne's early days. And I'll also say, as a longtime fan of Avril, my favorite album of hers being the Best Damn Thing, she herself appears to be falling victim to the "nostalgiacore" act herself. Love Sux was fine but it was so far removed from what I wanted from her. I wanted the deep emotions and maturity that she had been showing since Goodbye Lullaby, which I don't think is a very good album but it had more heart in it than Love Sux did. I'm always hopeful for her next release but she is quickly getting on my nerves in an MGK kind of way, but that is beside the point.
I’ve been listening to more new music than ever partially because of subscribing to RUclips Premium but also because of you, SpectrumPulse, Mode Reviews, and CHR83. New favorites are Hurtwave,Dayseeker, Night Traveler and lots of Japanese music plus some UK drill. I do love 80s new wave so I can’t resist bands like Korine that are doing new wave today with a more indie vibe.
Loved the XXBrutalSwagXX Cameo
I'm 46 and I still listen to new music all the time. I go to a lot of shows, and half of them are bands I've never seen before. Not only does this allow me to discover some really original, new stuff, but it gives me a greater appreciation when I go back to my old likes from previous eras. It keeps the classics from feeling stale. It helps that this is mostly in the indie realm. Top pop is just... not it.
I have so much nostalgia for the 70’s 80’s and 90’s.
I was born in ‘94
Anemoia
I was born in 1978 but I didn’t really get obsessed with pop music until I heard the 80s lunch hour on the local alternative station and discovered how awesome music from the 80s was. Depeche Mode, the Smiths,the Style Council, New Order etc all favorites when their music was released when I was 4-8 years old and way too young.
What was really exciting about the last few years of music is that it finally felt like something was gonna break, something fresh that explored the potential of mono genres. Much to my dismay and surprise, we've instead had to endure the residual waste of an entirely irrelevant genre at this point, EDM. The blatant sampling, the lack of any chorus in favor of some ear violating drop, absolutely zero sonic nuance or diversity, it's nauseating and needs to die!
Nostalgia in music is a double edged sword, incorporating motifs from old songs into something new can be sweet, ahem CRJ’s EMOTION, CHVRCHES and T&S’ Love You To Death for the 80s revival, but then you also get shit like that awful bebe rexa & david guetta song that ruins I’m blue by not getting the joke and genri-sizing a song that hit because of its quirk.
it's just lazy sampling, it ruins everything! they take the catchy popular part of an old song, base the entire new song on it, don't even add anything cool, and call it a day...
I believe that we can still create great things as a society!! I know that sounds unrealistic. But where's the balls?? We need a nirvana type of band or something. Everything is all rinse and repeat! Yeah, there's some good stuff out there. And nostalgia isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it can only do so much
People need to realize that the music they get nostalgic over isn't great because those particular artists relied solely on nostalgia from other songs to create them, but because they were made from a place of innovation and ingenuity, and I think music being created with that perspective is the only way we'll continue to hear records that are timeless.
yeah its killing movies too
that snail mail record in the back🤌🏻💌
So you used a clip from "The Farm" for your backdoor pilot joke, but didn't use a clip from "Prince Family Paper" for the speedbump analogy. Seems like a missed opportunity
Whenever I see a clip of Party in the USA without sound, my brain automatically hears Bad Lip Reading's "Black Umbrella"
I know there’s good new music out there somewhere, there must be. I just can’t find it. If I try, I just get flooded with commercial junk. ‘Listen to this, it’s had a billion streams. Must be good’. Bots will do that. McDonalds can scream what they like, most people served doesn’t make it a good restaurant. It’s still unhealthy crap.
Great video Jon! Really enjoy the Thinktank episodes!!!! Haha I just read AP’s recent ranking of all the red hot chilli peppers albums and I think it would make a somewhat interesting shall we say reaction video from you if you know what I mean 😅
Who's the girl in pink at 4:40???
Lady Gaga
0:25 hey that's the Boulevard Of Broken Dreams video
It's killing everything. Movies and video games being a big example of that.
Too many of today's attempts at nostalgia sound half-hearted and pathetic. It seems like more of a corporate tactic than anything - rebooting and remaking old names, brands, and sounds only to ruin your childhood by delivering poorly.
I'm not against the idea of sampling as it has been used to great effect many times before, but artists deciding to use samples non-stop "because they can" will get annoying very quickly. I forget the name of the song that was sampled in Latto's "Big Energy", but I've heard it sampled in other songs too and I'm already tired of hearing it.
Movies and tv shows aren’t helping the nostalgic situation either.. how many of them feature a main character, say a serial killer for example, jamming out to an old 80’s hit whilst sharpening his knives or whatever..??
That’s odd. I’m nostalgic for old music, but that’s because back then, every noteworthy musician struck out for new shores. Ever since the Beatles (ever since Satie and Debussy, really, and don’t forget jazz), right through to at least the nineties. They were all inventors. Well, not all. I did say noteworthy.
Whereas now everyone seems to follow one formula or other, as long as it can be created by computers. Today’s music, I don’t hear any creativity. At all.
It’s like a Zippo or Bronson lighter compared to a Bic. If the Bic is empty, you bin it without a thought. People collect Zippos and Bronsons.
Today’s music is like a Bic trying to look like a Zippo. If it can even be bothered. It’s so lazy, all that stuff. The computers don’t even bug me, although I don’t like artificial sounds. But the complete lack of ideas does.
It’s like cars: everyone makes EV SUV’s now and they all look alike. We’re told that’s a good thing and not liking it is akin to being antisocial. Yeah. Now teach yourself about how batteries are made. It’s the worst junk. But it’s called a Mustang, more fool you.
We used to believe we could change the world with music, and sometimes we were right. But the Powers That Be continue to be.
Ok, can we also stop and be thankful for a minute, John we waited a decade for rock to come bacl and yeah there is a lot of shit but there is more promise for the genre out there than there ever was in the 2010s you just gotta look. I'm 34 and I'm finding more different music now than I ever did in my 20s in the 2010s, noatalgis is there yes but with anything in popularity usually the shit floats first. I am thankful, gen z is doing what our generation failed to, keep rock alive
Sampling is the absolute fastest way to kill a song for me. Just an admission of a lack of creativity imo.
Nostalgia is not killing music, music has been around forever, and if nostalgia killed music it would have killed it a long time ago. Of course there is great bands out there today that no one has ever heard of, but that has been true the whole life of music. The whole point of saying music sucks now is that we don't get it handed to us anymore. Right? How's come I can watch music reactors that never listened to old music, now listening to it, and saying that its better than todays music? How, they did not live back then to get that happy feeling from it, creating nostalgia.
I got my first tape recorder and cassettes in first grade in the 80s, my dad was in a band, I later was in a band, have loved music my whole life. I used to go every Friday to the record store and listen to all the new albums that came out. Then when Spotify was a round I would do the same every weekend and listen through all the new albums, it would take the whole weekend. Music sucks today, it just does, there is some great stuff out there, but nobody knows how to record anymore, I hear no dynamics, and when I do its in music like dubteb and edm. But yes there is a lot of great bands out there that no one ever heard of, and probably never will. It's always been like that.
Well I don't think music today is good at all it doesn't do anything for me. I just listen to them band's that I like and I'll check out their New albums
google - nostalgia as psychopathology. and you find many new interesting things
Nostalgia is killing everything. But that's not to say hey let's do the Last Jedi saying off "Let the past die, kill it if you have to". Just don't rely on it to prop up for your deficiencies in your own writing.
Demi started their career pop/rock what are you talking about Demi is a very versatile artist
Welcome to the band wagon of theres no future in capitalism John 😢
Am I the only one who noticed your voice got a little bit deeper?
Could be the mic, actually, wait…definitely the mic
All nostalgia is "faux-stalgia" (fake nostalgia). It isn't real. It doesn't exist. Don't fall for the trap. You will only be disappointed. You can never go back again.
You can’t kill something that’s already dead.
i hate Nostalgia in music
Your hair looks like 1987Bad haircut Payless , Mom's hair dye
How is nostalgia killing the music industry?? What’s gunna happen in the 4/5 years now?!?!
no its not we need nostalgia
No we fucking don’t