The most intense duel in the history of women's gymnastic. The floor routine from Daniela was a 10+. Besides the final scores, both represented a duel of artistry & grace versus technicality & precision. Both were winners!
I am sad to know that the best Russian gymnast of the 1988 Olympics died at the age of 49 because of acute pneumonia. she was a star : Yelena Shushunova
Daniela Silivas was so ahead of her time then! We're STILL seeing ladies compete her eponymous "Silivas" FX skill- the incredible double twisting double salto tucked!
Any time I see a gymnast start running I get all excited because I know that my jaw is about to drop. I'm not much for watching most "sports," but gymnastics never get old!
The best at horrible abuse, influencing scores in their favor, making a mockery of the sport and its integrity in terms of equal treatment of athletes? Absolutely.
Elena had a very sad, unhappy existence after gymnastics. The Soviet system kept her alcoholic decline very hushed up. However, her early demise should speak for itself. There simply wasn't anything left for her after gymnastics. It's a common plight for elite athletes: life AFTER.
Cannot understand how Biles cannot stick a vault landing and goes out of bounds on floor yet she scores higher than other gymnasts that stick their landings after performing very well on the apparatus. I respect Biles but I still am not much of a fan of the "powerhouse" gymnastics.
@@shawntelcurtis6480truth lol but 1988 was magical…elegance, artistry, originality, polish, drama and finish. Simone while beyond powerful (new innovations with equipment help too) rarely sticks landings and is out of bounds all the time. Just a different time in gymnastics. Now it’s power over perfection and less artistry.
Her start value is nearly a point over everyone else's and going out of bounds is only .1 if it's one foot and .3 if it's both. That's not enough to butcher her score when she also has great form on her tumbling as well (only gets deducted on feet really). This is vastly different eras in the sport as well. As you can see, silivas had leg separation on her first vault but was still given a 10 by one judge and a 9.8 by kim so let's not act like scoring used to be better back then lol
Bogi was so excellent here. I wish she was competing at 1984 or 1992 level instead, she'd have an easier go for gold. Here unless Silivas or Shushunova fell flat on their face (which was insanely unlikely), she'd always be third.
@@christineharrelson4831 I said 1984 or 1992 level, not literally in 1984. Had the level of competition not as high as 1988 she would’ve had a better shot at gold.
At 1984 level for sure, but even in her prime Bogi didn't have the difficulty to compete with both Miller and Gutsu. Gymnasts were throwing double layouts on Floor and full-in on Beam. And Gutsu's beam was a decade ahead of her time. So not a single chance for Boginskaya, except big falls from several competitors.
.....ce sacrificii sau făcut.... datorită acestor sportivi sau ce sacrificii au făcut acesti sportivi sa ne iubim in ciuda tuturor problemelor : cotidiene,politice,etc.....🥇🥇🥇🙋💐💐💐💐💐
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about. Lastly even if Nellie gave the same generous 9.9 two other judges also gave, the score of 9.95 is still the same. Nothing changes.
It was the time of pleiad of excellent gymnasts: Shoushounova, Boginskaya, Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Henrietta Onodi, Dörte Thümmler, Potorac, Dagmar Kersten; in male events: Artemov, Bilozerchev, Liukin (father of Nastia Liukin), Andreas Wecker, Yuko Iketani, Marius Gherman, Yuri Cecchi... Today we have no big name, except Simone Biles, Nile Wilson, Igor Radivilov and Sam Mikulak.
It was the time of grossly biased judging. 10’s being thrown for completely undeserving routines, others being ridiculously underscored to keep them out of a medal. Good riddance to that time.
@@kameliehagenand how many GOLD medals did she win? Right, ONE. Simone won THREE in one Olympics on her own! Simone doesn’t have to qualify first in every event, she makes sure it counts at the RIGHT time.
Silivas should have won or results were tied. It was neli kim from USSR gave a 9.8 to silivas in the vault. Look at what happened in the individual apparatus finals, silivas got 3 golds... lol
Nelli was petty for giving Silivas a 9.8, but her score wasn't counted there. Out of the six judges, the highest and lowest scores were eliminated and the middle four was rounded up, which gave Silivas her score. Still, she should've won.
@@grumpyduck5712 She didn't deserve to win. 9.95 is too high for her on vault. And she messed up beam, where she should have an advantage on Shushunova but blew it this day. Bela Karolyi who LOVES Silivas, and is her former coach, even said "she made 3 major wobbles on beam in front of the whole world and deserved a 9.8 max. Her 9.9 was a disgrace." Nuff said.
Yelena Shushunova ,Por siempre Grande!!! Admirable tu fuerza en cada una de tus rutinas,a casi 2 años de tu partida , dejaste huella imborrable !!! Bendiciones 🙏 para tí,dónde quiera te encuentres.✨👌 Gracias hermosa Yelena Shushunova ✨👍🌹👏👏👏👏🌹👏👏👏🌹👏👏❤️
Silivas should had won. RUSSIA back then had power over the scores but this was definitely Silivas Good medal. Just like Zsabo should had won over Mary Lou. They were both were over scored. Yeah Mary Lou, zsabo took one step and you took 20. The Romania’s were the true winners..🥇
@saragrant9749 Yelena died young because she lacked an exit strategy. It was a familiar tale for many elite Soviet gymnasts... indeed, for many elite athletes full stop. Beyond coaching & commentating, there really werent that many options for a happy, fulfilling life after gymnastics. It was (& still is) the cost of complete dedication.
Nelli Kim , I always admired your gymnastic and your commitment to gymnastic as a judge. I always loved 1988 olympic they made me fall in love with the sport. But honestly I never watch carefully... you gave a 9.8 to her first vault to make sure she would not have eaten then give a 9.9 to a less perfect one!!! shame on you. hope to this day you feel ashamed to crushed the dream ... I understand it was surely not easy probably pressed bu higher authority but honestly hope you can apology one day
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
@@masonlovesroblox If a Bulgarian or American did that vault they would get a 9.7 max. It was Silivas's very best, but she isn't a good vaulter. Her vault scores are only by her name, just like Shushunova's beam scores to some extent.
Shushunova was beautiful and awesome but am I the only one who thinks Silivas should've have it? Nellie Kim being a judge and giving Silivas a 9.8 was a conflict of interest and we've seen how slithery nellie can be
Como en cualquier cosa....el político pasa por encima de todo.......10 significa perfección.....aqui se han dado notas de 10 ...pero de perfección NADA. MI OPINIÓN
That was one of her teammates. Listen to the commentary Plus you can see Elenas performances after. Couple of the podium, with major mistakes. Never done by an olympic champion
No offense to Elena Shushnova's memory, but I think Daniela Silivas was robbed. I thought so when I watched this event live back in 1988 and still think so today.
The most intense duel in the history of women's gymnastic. The floor routine from Daniela was a 10+. Besides the final scores, both represented a duel of artistry & grace versus technicality & precision. Both were winners!
The best final ever 100%. I was glued to the tv. Routing for Daniela.
A great battle between silivas and shushunova
RIP Elena Shushunova
I am sad to know that the best Russian gymnast of the 1988 Olympics died at the age of 49 because of acute pneumonia. she was a star : Yelena Shushunova
She is my favorite of all times besides Nadia .. so sad she left us that young, will never be forgotten, a true gymnastic Queen 👸!
OH MY GOD! I didn't know that! Jeez... Rest peacefully my dear :(
Damn, it just proves you never know when you’re going to go.
Apparently, her life was very sad & empty after the Olympics. After dedicating her entire life to gymnastics, there was nowhere left to go.
....și la noi in Romania.... copilul unei mari,,Gimnaste,,...a decedat...... LAVINIA MILOȘOVICI 🙏🙏🙏......
Daniela Silivas was so ahead of her time then! We're STILL seeing ladies compete her eponymous "Silivas" FX skill- the incredible double twisting double salto tucked!
Done first by Alevtina Prakhina at the Europeans in 1987.
These routines were about difficulty and agility, now they are about difficulty and power. No grace left.
Any time I see a gymnast start running I get all excited because I know that my jaw is about to drop. I'm not much for watching most "sports," but gymnastics never get old!
It was great great having Mary Lou's commentary here(the 'wonder woman' of 1984).I miss the 1980s!
So graceful and so beautiful, I wouldn't want to choose one over the other. Thank you for the upload x
I liked Shushunova and Silivas. They were so great 😃
Прическа,не,тачу,силиваш,она,ведь,молода,для,таких,причёсок,
And Bogi! My three favorite gymnasts
gracias x subir el mejor duelo de la historia de la gimnasia
Great competition between Silivas and Shushunova
Советская школа гимнастики лучшая в мире!
Benar
The best at horrible abuse, influencing scores in their favor, making a mockery of the sport and its integrity in terms of equal treatment of athletes? Absolutely.
@@saragrant9749Cope
LA MEJOR...UD.SI SABE DE GIMNACIA.FELICIDADES¡¡
@@saragrant9749sabes poco menos que nada.de gimnacia.
just watched my original VHS tape incredibule depth below the two on top RIP Elena Shushunova
I liked this style because they let the pictures tell the story.
RIP Elana S.
Did Shushunova ever speak of her gymnastic career? Did her teammates speak of training/competing with her? I've never heard anything.
Elena had a very sad, unhappy existence after gymnastics. The Soviet system kept her alcoholic decline very hushed up. However, her early demise should speak for itself. There simply wasn't anything left for her after gymnastics. It's a common plight for elite athletes: life AFTER.
thank you for uploading ! Is Oksana Omelianchik @11.02?
It sure is! She was the alternate for the team. In some other parts of the meet, you can see her interacting with the team on the floor.
11:52. I was so impressed when I saw this at the time. Shushunova was a great champion. RIP 🙏
Rumanía con unos 20 millones habitantes siempre luchando por el oro contra la Unión soviética que tenía casi 170 millones habitantes!! 😳
Cannot understand how Biles cannot stick a vault landing and goes out of bounds on floor yet she scores higher than other gymnasts that stick their landings after performing very well on the apparatus. I respect Biles but I still am not much of a fan of the "powerhouse" gymnastics.
Éntierement d’accord avec vous.
But can yall do any of it .... Haters 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@shawntelcurtis6480truth lol but 1988 was magical…elegance, artistry, originality, polish, drama and finish. Simone while beyond powerful (new innovations with equipment help too) rarely sticks landings and is out of bounds all the time. Just a different time in gymnastics. Now it’s power over perfection and less artistry.
@@shawntelcurtis6480 We're not looking for medals silly
Her start value is nearly a point over everyone else's and going out of bounds is only .1 if it's one foot and .3 if it's both. That's not enough to butcher her score when she also has great form on her tumbling as well (only gets deducted on feet really). This is vastly different eras in the sport as well. As you can see, silivas had leg separation on her first vault but was still given a 10 by one judge and a 9.8 by kim so let's not act like scoring used to be better back then lol
Mary Lou Retton’s contribution to commentary gets a 0.
She didn’t even contribute that much, either.
Agreed...can't stand listening to her! Like nails on a chalkboard!
I'd prefer no commentary.
All around final featuring two gymnast 😂
Right, i wonder if there is any other broadcast that shows more of the gymnasts 😅🤦🏻♂️
@@Cmc995I think the British broadcast does
Bogi was so excellent here. I wish she was competing at 1984 or 1992 level instead, she'd have an easier go for gold. Here unless Silivas or Shushunova fell flat on their face (which was insanely unlikely), she'd always be third.
Bogi was 11 in 1984 and not even a senior yet.
@@christineharrelson4831 I said 1984 or 1992 level, not literally in 1984. Had the level of competition not as high as 1988 she would’ve had a better shot at gold.
At 1984 level for sure, but even in her prime Bogi didn't have the difficulty to compete with both Miller and Gutsu. Gymnasts were throwing double layouts on Floor and full-in on Beam. And Gutsu's beam was a decade ahead of her time. So not a single chance for Boginskaya, except big falls from several competitors.
El mejor duelo de la historia de la gimnasia artística, nunca habra alfo similar
.....ce sacrificii sau făcut.... datorită acestor sportivi sau ce sacrificii au făcut acesti sportivi sa ne iubim in ciuda tuturor problemelor : cotidiene,politice,etc.....🥇🥇🥇🙋💐💐💐💐💐
With the current scoring code, shushunova would have won with a huge advantage.
Silivas was completely underscored by Nellie on vault. A 9.8? Lol
Did you see that too? Lol. Sha was hating and knew Sikivas was going to win so shendid what it has been done a lot by the Russian federation
@@chitownlokito To obtain the final mark the highest and lowest scores are droped. So Kim’s score didnt count.
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
Lastly even if Nellie gave the same generous 9.9 two other judges also gave, the score of 9.95 is still the same. Nothing changes.
Agreed - Silivas was underscored - but then not really a surprise as Nellie was not a woman of integrity (in my view!)
Nelli is such an icon for such an unabashed attempt at cheating 😍
Шушунова, Богинская - гениальные гимнастки, не то что современные робот-машины мельникова, байлз, смотреть на последних совсем не интересно.
Silivas was such a tumbling goddess. She is perfection. I think she deserved that 10 on floor.
"She is very attractive 15 yo".... My Gawd, that was horrible to listen
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Bonginskaya she is so pretty.
It was the time of pleiad of excellent gymnasts: Shoushounova, Boginskaya, Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Henrietta Onodi, Dörte Thümmler, Potorac, Dagmar Kersten; in male events: Artemov, Bilozerchev, Liukin (father of Nastia Liukin), Andreas Wecker, Yuko Iketani, Marius Gherman, Yuri Cecchi... Today we have no big name, except Simone Biles, Nile Wilson, Igor Radivilov and Sam Mikulak.
It was the time of grossly biased judging. 10’s being thrown for completely undeserving routines, others being ridiculously underscored to keep them out of a medal. Good riddance to that time.
Et Mustafina ?????? Elle a fait ce que Biles ne fera jamais : être première
des qualifications por le AA et les 4 finales
@@kameliehagenand how many GOLD medals did she win? Right, ONE. Simone won THREE in one Olympics on her own! Simone doesn’t have to qualify first in every event, she makes sure it counts at the RIGHT time.
@@saragrant9749На наркотиках сидит твоя Симона - в Японии без них она была никто и её заменили, наркоманку!
Who was the male athlete about to be interviewed at 46:11?
Silivas should have won or results were tied. It was neli kim from USSR gave a 9.8 to silivas in the vault. Look at what happened in the individual apparatus finals, silivas got 3 golds... lol
Nelli was petty for giving Silivas a 9.8, but her score wasn't counted there. Out of the six judges, the highest and lowest scores were eliminated and the middle four was rounded up, which gave Silivas her score.
Still, she should've won.
@@grumpyduck5712 She didn't deserve to win. 9.95 is too high for her on vault. And she messed up beam, where she should have an advantage on Shushunova but blew it this day. Bela Karolyi who LOVES Silivas, and is her former coach, even said "she made 3 major wobbles on beam in front of the whole world and deserved a 9.8 max. Her 9.9 was a disgrace." Nuff said.
So beautiful 👏🏻both deserve the gold medal 🥇 it was so close battle between both girls
Wait sorry how did Yelena’s beam routine get 2 10s? Did I read that wrong?
shushunova queen
Silivas Queen!
God, I miss the 80s... 😢
🇷🇴🤸🏼❤️💐
Rest in peace Elena Shushunova ♥️🤸🏼♀️
Es un placer y una suerte inmensa poder disfrutar de la calidad artística; tecnicismo; excelencia de todas estas gimnastas. Ellas son irrepetibles.
Silivas the best!!!😍😍😍
Yelena Shushunova ,Por siempre Grande!!! Admirable tu fuerza en cada una de tus rutinas,a casi 2 años de tu partida , dejaste huella imborrable !!! Bendiciones 🙏 para tí,dónde quiera te encuentres.✨👌 Gracias hermosa Yelena Shushunova ✨👍🌹👏👏👏👏🌹👏👏👏🌹👏👏❤️
Shushunova was the best!!!
Silivas 😉
Silivas should had won. RUSSIA back then had power over the scores but this was definitely Silivas Good medal.
Just like Zsabo should had won over Mary Lou. They were both were over scored. Yeah Mary Lou, zsabo took one step and you took 20.
The Romania’s were the true winners..🥇
Not sure because she fell off the bars!
Alguns jurados davam nota 10 mesmo com erros visíveis. A saída d trave da shushunova por exemplo
Шушунова лучшая!Однозначно!
У Шушуновой вольные сложнее, элемент даже назван ее именем, который она тогда показала
Nope
I don't think so
Silivas the best
So sad! I remember when she was young! But never forget Daniela ❤
Right? 49 is too damn young, but it just shows you never know when your time will come.
@saragrant9749 Yelena died young because she lacked an exit strategy. It was a familiar tale for many elite Soviet gymnasts... indeed, for many elite athletes full stop. Beyond coaching & commentating, there really werent that many options for a happy, fulfilling life after gymnastics. It was (& still is) the cost of complete dedication.
I love Silivas, she is more artistic and remarkable! She just a slight lost, otherwise she could’ve won...
If silivas had gone before shushu on floor and they both received the same score the audience would have justifiably ripped that auditorium apart.
"Let's not forget this very attractive 15 year-old.."
🤢
Came here for this comment. What a creep!
Muy merecido 🎉🎉🎉te amo Yelena
Silivas best ever!...
Daniela Silivas! Fenomen!❤❤❤❤
Shushu should have gotten a full point in deductions for That floor music.
Why there was Romanian judge and no Russian judge???? But still good karma struck to Elena she won the all round champ.
No Russian judge?? Uhhhh hello, Nellie Kim from the Soviet Union?? Did you even watch the broadcast?
Nelli kim couldn't really be more blatant could she 9.8 I think not
ridiculous she should apologies
Duo rivalries usr elena shushunova and svetlana boginskaya. And roumania daniela silivas with aurelia dobre.
Nelli Kim , I always admired your gymnastic and your commitment to gymnastic as a judge. I always loved 1988 olympic they made me fall in love with the sport. But honestly I never watch carefully... you gave a 9.8 to her first vault to make sure she would not have eaten then give a 9.9 to a less perfect one!!! shame on you. hope to this day you feel ashamed to crushed the dream ... I understand it was surely not easy probably pressed bu higher authority but honestly hope you can apology one day
The Big Red Machine - the Soviet Union Team's nick name!
シリバスと、シュシュノワの素晴らしい対決は今でも色あせない。😊✨✨
as much as i love yelena she was overscored on beam
9.8 from the Soviet judge for Silivas on the vault. Enough said…😤
She was definitely a hater! Her second vault she gave her a higher score
it was on purpose. nellie kim wanted shushunova to win. it was obvious, that first vault was 9.9 MINIMUM.
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
@@masonlovesroblox If a Bulgarian or American did that vault they would get a 9.7 max. It was Silivas's very best, but she isn't a good vaulter. Her vault scores are only by her name, just like Shushunova's beam scores to some extent.
@@TheMajesticice01 ridiculous
i didn.t see any battle. silivas absolutely superior to shoushunova who had the support of the jugdes such as Nelly Kim kim ( she was under comnaneci)
Absolutely
EMPAZ DESCANSE ELENA SHUSHUNOVA UNA GRAN GIMNASTA, DANIELA SILIVAS OTRA GEA GIMNASTA.
Shushunova was beautiful and awesome but am I the only one who thinks Silivas should've have it? Nellie Kim being a judge and giving Silivas a 9.8 was a conflict of interest and we've seen how slithery nellie can be
Svetlana Boginskaya, Simone Biles, Daniella Silivas....BEST GYMNASTS EVER!
Симона байлз - наркоманка стероидная, её и женщиной назвать нельзя. В Японии без своих наркотиков она была никто и её заменили
Fantastic gymnasts, not so fantastic 80s hairstyles 😁
It was
Big red machine!
DANIELA SILIVAS...MUCHO MEJOR QUE LA COMANECI.
Y POR MUCHO.
Shusunova such like robot
Shoushouna is really an Diva e deserved the win.
Como en cualquier cosa....el político pasa por encima de todo.......10 significa perfección.....aqui se han dado notas de 10 ...pero de perfección NADA.
MI OPINIÓN
Daniela Silivas so amazing and powerful ahead of her time , 2022 and gymnasts still use her moves
Damn, the Romanians were trying to freak out Shushunova during her vault. That was kinda cheap.
That was one of her teammates. Listen to the commentary
Plus you can see Elenas performances after. Couple of the podium, with major mistakes. Never done by an olympic champion
En el ultimo aparato , no me pareció un 10 para shushunova .....
y Silivas en asimetricas tampoco, que cae flexionada y los pies separados.
@@batifay2830 y que quierias ...que se cae con los pies rectos , o que...???....tu sabes de que estas hablando !!??
@@denisripeanu3325 pues sí, sí sé de lo que hablo.
@@batifay2830 pues , yo diria que NO , tras leer tu comentario......mi opinión!!!
Sólo tienes que ver cómo Silvas baja la cabeza ,al ver el salto , sabía que tenía el 10 antes de dárselo
God is there any other gymnasts that were at these Olympics? How unfair to the others who works so hard.
This is the wor see e coverage of any gymnastics event they barely showed any routines
We in europe always see th whole competition! This is sad.....
No offense to Elena Shushnova's memory, but I think Daniela Silivas was robbed. I thought so when I watched this event live back in 1988 and still think so today.
Totally
MLR is so annoying talking about herself constantly ughhhhhh
Hah yeah she's pretty into herself. Still is to this day.
She sounds like Minnie Mouse, too
Queen Silivas 👑 y luego el resto
les juges donnaient trop de 10 à l epoque c etait n importe quoi
Effectivement, et les juges favorisaient certaines nations (l'URSS, la Roumanie et la RDA). Cela ne favorisait pas la crédibilité du sport.
daniela was robbed
She was amazing! They both were but she’ll always be my favorite gymnast! Gurl even rocked a perm and a robot move!
Reyna silivas
USSR and the power of dopping
Spelling and the power of a dictionary
Fu Kim, fu Elena and fu Mary Lou. All over scored. The Gold was for Silivas. The a Russian were corrupted still at that time.
Silivas was obviously robbed!