@@ccaruso0404 Shannon's floor routine is my all time favorite. Nastia's floor routine in 2008 was also brilliant! I still watch both of those routines frequently on youtube.
The announcer thinking Shannon would barely get a 9.937 on her first vault says all I need to know about the stupidity of these announcers. He then points out the form issues on Gutsu and thinks she deserves a 9.950. Horrible
He said she needed 9.937 not she would barely get it. The other announcer, Epke Zonderlands high bar coach btw, says it's worth 9.950 which is still lower than Shannon's best vault. All that not withstanding, Shannon should have won in my opinion.
Judges never liked Svetlana's slightly uneven feet landing style and more than once, it was the only "mistake"/deduction keeping her from a perfect 10.
@@Cara-39i can see why. She isn't landing with her feet together. That means they are apart. Which means her legs are apart. Which is a deduction. She should not have ever scored a 10. Bc to her a 10, she needed to be perfect. Which means her feet had to be together. It's pretty cut and dry.
Most obvious overscore was Gutsu on Floor ... Her leg separation on vault was overlooked when she did a double twist (in previous competitions) but shouldn't have bee overlooked on a single (basically the compulsory vault of this competition). So yes, I think Shannon was robbed more now than when I originally watched.
Shannon was also cheated on bars, nnly getting a 9.9 when she got a 9950 and 9.962 in the other competitions in Spain. There was some serious cheating going on here.
@@worldartgym They did it for Zmeskal in 91 and 92. Miller was just blatantly cheated and we all know it. I bet if they investigated they would find favors between Hungary and The soviets. And GB's bank account
that gutsu vault score was the biggest christmas/birthday present anyone has ever received in the history of the galaxy lol shannon won this aa by a LOT, and her first vault was literally one of, if not the most perfect pieces of gymnastics ever performed by anyone, including everyone. the most obvious 10 in history.. even worse was gutsu's floor score; that first pass (although difficult/unique for the time) was performed so poorly and when you under perform a skill (land low/short) it's supposed to receive a lot bigger deduction than going over, etc. crazyyy...
Shannon was so overall superior to everyone there besides Tatiana Lysenko(honorable mention to Boginskaya too) Gutsu definitely had great difficulty for this era, can’t take that from her but her head and neck down on every landing, looks unprepared for the impacts. Shannon had difficulty and fine tuned aesthetics.
Love how Galiyeva withdrew with an “unspecified injury.” She was obviously forced by her coaches to withdraw so Gutsu could compete, despite the fact that Gutsu messed up while Galiyeva rightfully earned her spot. So wrong 😡
What do you expect from coaches who only cared about their chosen “golden girls” they’d done it before, and also had the judging under their control. This competition was such a farce as a result.
Part of this is really a function of 1) the difference between a good score and a great score being pretty negligible, and 2) almost everyone doing the same Yurchenko full vault. But man, we’re the vault scores wacky as hell. You cannot tell me that Miller and Milosovici deserved the same score for their vaults. Not when Milo had obvious (albeit extremely minor) form breaks in the air despite her superior power and air position. You cannot tell me either vault was that much better than Boginskaya’s two. Just flawless air and body position. You definitely cannot tell me Gutsu’s vault was better than Zmeskal’s when Kim clearly had better form, power and distance throughout. And you can’t tell me Lysenko deserved the same score as Bogi and lower than Milosovici and Miller when she did a way harder vault and stuck it cold. Yeah, maybe not a 10 because her knee bend on her landing was a little deep. But still, beautiful form and it was stuck. When you start comparing the scores among the top girls, they make even less sense
Miller did it during the trials for the Olympics, and they made a point to show the view from above the bar so you could see how aligned her shoulders were to the beam haha
@@objetivista686 ugly is subjective. I’d rather see Urazova or Mccallum do a wolf turn than that ugly transfer from the high to low bar, not even in handstand
@@objetivista686 You can't do wolf turns on bars lmao and bar routines definitely lost their charm when they moved then further apart but execution got better in later years. Almost all these routines have late handstands and would be hammered by judging today but they're still well executed for the time
I think this is when you could see gymnastics start to slide into the emphasis on difficulty over everything. This CoP was better than '85-88 because of the scoring in 0.05 increments, although I do miss the emphasis on ROV from that earlier code. I think this right here is where FIG should have stopped with requiring more and more difficulty. The routines here are almost perfectly in balance in terms of difficulty, artistry and execution. People will argue that today's gymnasts do more difficulty, but just because you stuff your routine full with more difficult elements doesn't actually make the routines better. Not to mention that there is a lot of room for errors and sloppiness in today's routines, whereas these girls had to show complete mastery and one slight wobble or one slight step could cost you a medal. Not to mention the material they were working with. The floor had half the spring of today, the bars basically had no give at all, the landing mats were harder, and the old vaulting horse was obviously much more difficult to vault on. I've gone back and forth on whether the 10 system was better but I think at the end of the day, it is. Nowadays you can stack difficulty to infinity, but on execution and artistry you can only lose points. If the score is only out of 10, it only takes a single tenth deduction for artistry to tank your score, whereas even with today's strict artistry and execution deductions it is almost impossible for those factors to outweigh the difficulty value. Anyway, all of this is futile because I don't believe the FIG will ever go back to the 10 at this point. But still, we can dream.
Gutsu is and will forever be the AA gold medalist, I sure do love seeing the Americans whining about their silver! Gutsu was just so unique and had gorgeous gymnastics that matched her thinness and beauty.
Gutsu was superior in difficulty, while Miller was superior in form and execution. Back in those days the two scores were not separated. Under today's rules, the former should be the hands down winner. But 1992 was different, when the perfect 10 still existed: the latter clearly was robbed of the gold. She might not have, had the judges been stricter in deducting Gutsu for her form breaks.
Kind of overscored? That would be a definite understatement. The judges were basically handing the gold to her- not surprising considering they were controlled by the Soviets.
Svetlana Boginiskaya merecía el bronce estoy de acuerdo bque falló en las asimétricas pero hizo una bellísima rutina en la viga y mira que las Soviéticas odian ese aparato.
This competition crazy scoring shows how bad the 10.0 system was once all the top gymnasts knew how to score well. There was no room to rank gymnast properly so judges were trying to score the “easy” 10.0 sv routines lower than the high difficulty ones.
@@Edgeofillumination But at least gymnasts are getting scored fairly for their difficulty. It's the fig's fault why they rely on mainly tumbling now anyway. They don't know how to properly value skills and think that giving absurd amounts of deductions will compensate. Both systems have their flaws but the 10.0 system definitely wasn't better. I've seen 3 different gymnasts have flawless routines and get major deductions but a routine with wobbles scores higher smh
@@murasakino101 They are not getting scored fairly. Look at Jade Carey. She has 2 points more in deductions in form than anyone else and barely has 3 tenths less in score. The new code is just as bad
Я скучаю по тому времени когда в гимнастике учитывался Артистизм. Я просто хочу чтобы СССР никогда не распадался! Гимнастика должна вернуться в эти времена. Я ненавижу это сегодня! Советы доминировали и я так счастлив.
Shannon should have won. Gutsu wasn't even supposed to be in the all-around. Bela was right- they scored Kim Zmeskal real low. It really wasn't fair. I wish she would have been able to try for 96. I think she started late and got hurt.
So... I have a question... I love watching gymnastics, but I'm not a gymnast, so no nasty comments, please, as I am genuinely interested to know... I always look at the late 80s and 1990s gymnastics as a kind of "golden era" - there seemed to be a lot more variety of skills, inventiveness, and definitely more adventurous tumbling, and stuck.landings. Nowadays, exercises seem very similar among gymnasts and nations, unless you are a Simone Biles type who invents ridiculously difficult skills, but doesn't care about stuck landings because the D-score is so high she will still get huge credit. Would love to hear from some of you in the know... What do you think?
Gymnastics is way harder now. Harder skills make it harder to stick or perform perfectly. Back in the golden era, the goal was to be perfect moreso than difficult. Difficulty is rewarded now which takes away from execution. Also there are new deductions that didn’t really exist back in the day… But landings, stuck landings, were the hallmark of the golden era. That’s my personal opinion at least.
I edited my previous reply to you, check it out! Basically just saying how the way routines are evaluated now is completely different. There’s new deductions that didn’t even exist back then. But sticking a landing was such a focal point for judges and spectators alike. Thanks for your question!
And I too miss the variety. The current judging system doesn’t encourage it. Sadly! Something unique was a part of every good routine. Now satisfying the Code and racking points is the name of the game. 🤓
Miller was overscored on both beam and floor where the judges ignored her mistakes and did not deduct. Even though she deserved a 10 on vault should not have even medaled overall.
Gatsu's floor exercise and vault were hihgly inflated. Her landings for those two disciplines were, sometimes, in close proximity to the floor, much bending of the knees and in my estimation, not deserving of the high scores given. Some of those judges were so corrupted that one could smell the smoke of courruption crawling out of them a hundred miles away. All in all, ALL the competitors were fabulous.
She shouldn’t have been there at ALL. Her gold medal is one of the biggest black marks on the sport in Olympic competition, no debate. An athlete put in because her coaches were lying scum. Even worse was her attempt to claim she “understood Galieva’s feelings about it”- excuse me? No she didn’t, and was very snobbish to think she could.
The Soviets were the best here, This was a perfect competition! So sad Lysenko and Boginskaya didn't medal. The podium should've been 1- Gutsu 2- Lysenko 3- Boginskaya. I sure do love and miss my soviet girls! Молодцы девочки. 🥰
Por algo pasan las cosas y los entrenadores Russos no se equivocan ven más talento o ven más posibilidades cuando cambian a alguien por otro competidor
@@carlosgranados4231 you are an absolutely disgraceful example of humanity for even thinking there was anything correct or justified in her being forced out for Gutsu. It was an act of pure unsportsmanlike conduct and should have resulted in the coaches being banned.
@@saragrant9749 We all know you wanted Gutsu out so your precise Miller could've won. That's NOT how the world works, Your whining will not change the result.
Shannon was overmarked and deserved 4th place. Her beam and floor scores were both gifts, she wasn't even deducted anything for her mistakes, while all others were hammered for theirs.
@@dezziliodevellini9533 loss of rhythm on bars before the dismount, shaky beam, huuge step on the second pass on Floor (and no, that was in no way the traditional lunge they did back then) She was far better during the event finals, where she should have scored higher on some events
No it shouldn’t. It’s very sad what happened to Galiyeva, but Gutsu was a better gymnast. They were to substitute her in, although, I must say, I wish they’d have their scores carry over from the team competition. I think that’s way more fair.
@@EdGringo78 it’s absolutely never fair to take out a gymnast who rightfully earned their spot. If Gutsu was better she should have proved it to begin with. It will always be wrong and unsporting, period.
@@saragrant9749 You’re allowed to have your opinion. However, at this point in history, particularly in East Europe, these coaches lives were very likely in jeopardy for not winning medals or casting their country in a positive light.
@@EdGringo78 very likely true- thank goodness that era is over. In my own case I’m glad my parents never allowed me to do the sport (I was a track athlete instead and loved it) because the sport in general is corrupt and judgmental. The situation in the US proves it too.
All the competitors looked malnurished and in need of a few good meals with tasty grilled salmon Saporito, penne under a a red finger-licking sauce, Cesar salad, a glass of aqua minerale or good organic glass of juice from organic fruits. They all deserve avery nutritious meals.
unpopular opinion but i believe tatiana gutsu was the better gymnast here but i still believe shannon miller should have won gold as gutsu cheated her way into the final x
She didn't cheat. Any gymnast had no saying into these decisions. Plus, Galyeva qualified at 8th place, I don't think she would have won AA or had any chances of even medal. That's why the coaches felt Gutsu had better chances, specially because she was the European AA champion in that very same year.
Shannon was overscored on both beam and floor. She was not deducted for her mistakes at all, while others like Gutsu on floor and Lysenko on beam and floor and Kim on floor did get deducted for their mistakes. So unfair, she should have been 4th and off the podium behind both Bogi and Milo.
With all due respect, I think the 10.0 system was so corrupt that there was a lot of gray area, for example, a harder routine with a few errors scored higher than a less difficult one with the same types of errors, so judges were subjective in how they ranked gymnasts. I also believe Gutsu was overscored on floor. In the current system, I still believe it would be a close competition, but I think Shannon would have the advantages. Just my honest opinion.
@@worldartgym In the current system Gutsu would have done her double twisting yurchenko which she does pretty easily and better than her full. She would have had even more difficulty than Miller on beam, much more difficulty than Miller on floor, and much more on vault. Based on that alone she would have easily beaten Miller on the current system I think, when both had mistakes and Miller actually had more mistakes. Bogi meanwhile no longer has a chance under the current system, but under the 92 system she should have probably won gold or silver that night since she was the cleanest, had the fewest mistakes, had the best artistry, and was out of 10 on every event, even though she had less difficulty.
There was no way they were letting bogi on the podium. It was clear they were no longer considering her UB FX and Bb sets as comparable with the other top gymnasts. She played too safe here with those routines and they kept her off the podium for it.
@@mrparts Yeah I think they sort of sent her a message at the 91 worlds AA which I thought was a bogus result, but they had her lose to Kim who had no more difficulty and worth excecution and artistry. I think they were being extra hard on her since they wanted her to up the difficulty since there were youngsters coming up, the top 3 in the AA in 92, who were doing much more, but she didn't take the hint and got bypassed.
@@richardross4677 i agree. She showed up in Barcelona with less difficulty on floor than in 91. Her UB routine was stagnant way too simple and not competitive at all. Beam was clean but that single gainer layout was not impressing anyone. And for vault , all the top gymnasts had already mastered the yurchenko full, so she had no advantage over any competitor.
@@cherrylove9142 Tatiana shouldn't have been there to compete against Shannon in the first place. The Unified coaches cheated, claiming the real qualifier had a knee injury she didn't have.
Why did Boginskaia choose that horrible leotard??? She was stunning beautiful, but with another leo she would have looked elegant too. And the music she choosed didn't work well with their dress choice.
SIEMPRE HE ADMIRADO A RUMANIA, POR SER EXTRAORDINARIAS ! PERO EN ESTOS JUEGOS LAS PUNTUACIONES PARA LAS GINNASTA FUERON MUY BAJAS, SIENDO SU EJECUCION EXCELENTE, TODAS FUERON MARAVILLOS, ME REFIERO A TODOS LOS PAISES, TREMENDA EJECUCION, PERO LAS PUNTUACIONES BAJAS !
Espectacular Boginskaya en piso...que elegancia, que ritmo❤❤❤
Tatyana Lysenko throwing a DTY when it wasn't needed nor worth it makes her my favorite from this competition.
Una gran competencia
Todas estuvieron en un gran nivel!!!!
Bravo Lysenko gran rutina en viga de equilibrio❤❤❤
Gymnastics was so graceful and elegant then, not just about power.
I remember Svetlana Boguinskaia! I even remembered that she was from Minsk! I liked her the best
I always thought she looked a lot like Annalisse in Neighbours with her cats eyes
@@sapphire22011cat eyes?😭 she’s just half Kazakh lmao
Such inspiring gymnasts, who changed the sport forever! Thank you and congratulations!
Que Brillante Gutsu en viga!!!!
Boginskaya Brillante en Vault!!!!❤❤❤❤
Shannon miller for me. Best elegance and execution all around. Should have won gold.
Agreed
Agree! Russians/Soviets were always overscored back then.
Gutsu shouldn't even have been in the competition
Only lost because she wasn’t Soviet.
@@saragrant9749 Or was she just no where close to the soviets?
Shannon Miller for Gold. Gutsu almost fell on the floor exercise and her vault was questionable.
So real. Shannon did the same mistake in 1996 Atlanta and recieved a 9.612 the judges are sooooo biased and corrupt
Oooh how I love, love Shannon's fx end pose.
Her floor routine was one of my all time favorites. Loved the choreography. So elegant.
@@ccaruso0404 Shannon's floor routine is my all time favorite. Nastia's floor routine in 2008 was also brilliant! I still watch both of those routines frequently on youtube.
I love the British commentators 😊. I remember the man his name is Mitch he’s really great commentator
Shannon will always be the winner to me.
The announcer thinking Shannon would barely get a 9.937 on her first vault says all I need to know about the stupidity of these announcers. He then points out the form issues on Gutsu and thinks she deserves a 9.950. Horrible
He said she needed 9.937 not she would barely get it. The other announcer, Epke Zonderlands high bar coach btw, says it's worth 9.950 which is still lower than Shannon's best vault. All that not withstanding, Shannon should have won in my opinion.
Gutsu won and you Americans are still crying about it. Talk about sore losers.
Only me who thinks Miller was way more consistent than the others, and would deserve 1st place on podium....?!
You are not the only one
You and most of the rest of the world.
You and you only.
@@saragrant9749 Who's the rest of the world? Most certainly just you and you westerners.
You are definitely not alone
Boguinskaya's vault was a 10 !! or at least 9.975 ! and her bars were scored low
Her bars was her Achilles heel
Judges never liked Svetlana's slightly uneven feet landing style and more than once, it was the only "mistake"/deduction keeping her from a perfect 10.
@@Cara-39i can see why. She isn't landing with her feet together. That means they are apart. Which means her legs are apart. Which is a deduction. She should not have ever scored a 10. Bc to her a 10, she needed to be perfect. Which means her feet had to be together. It's pretty cut and dry.
Dang! Shannon Miller was gorgeous!
Most obvious overscore was Gutsu on Floor ... Her leg separation on vault was overlooked when she did a double twist (in previous competitions) but shouldn't have bee overlooked on a single (basically the compulsory vault of this competition). So yes, I think Shannon was robbed more now than when I originally watched.
Shannon was also cheated on bars, nnly getting a 9.9 when she got a 9950 and 9.962 in the other competitions in Spain. There was some serious cheating going on here.
Also judges were not accustomed to throwing USA athletes high scores (like she deserved)
@@worldartgym They did it for Zmeskal in 91 and 92. Miller was just blatantly cheated and we all know it. I bet if they investigated they would find favors between Hungary and The soviets. And GB's bank account
I felt the same!! Tatiana’s Foor score was on the sky!! 😅
Tatiana cometió varios fallos en su rutina de piso
Shannon Miller and Gina Gogean are my favorite gymnasts and two of the best ever
Same here! We’re the minority as Gina Gogean fans 😅🤦🏻♂️
I love how the commentator says beam is Tatiana Lysenko's weakest event. Tatiana ended up getting the gold at the Olympics on beam in EF's.
american commentators are often unfair and ridiculous
@@nipaipo36100 they were British
No she did not qualify at event finals. She fell off beam
@@tarimiller7192 that was gutsu. lysenko won gold
Yes I was thinking gutsu
that gutsu vault score was the biggest christmas/birthday present anyone has ever received in the history of the galaxy lol shannon won this aa by a LOT, and her first vault was literally one of, if not the most perfect pieces of gymnastics ever performed by anyone, including everyone. the most obvious 10 in history.. even worse was gutsu's floor score; that first pass (although difficult/unique for the time) was performed so poorly and when you under perform a skill (land low/short) it's supposed to receive a lot bigger deduction than going over, etc. crazyyy...
I agree
Espectacular Milosovic en piso....10❤❤❤❤
that was nice of Kim Zmeskal to congratulate Svetlana Boginskaya after her beam. both wonderful ladies!!
Shannon was so overall superior to everyone there besides Tatiana Lysenko(honorable mention to Boginskaya too) Gutsu definitely had great difficulty for this era, can’t take that from her but her head and neck down on every landing, looks unprepared for the impacts. Shannon had difficulty and fine tuned aesthetics.
Love how Galiyeva withdrew with an “unspecified injury.” She was obviously forced by her coaches to withdraw so Gutsu could compete, despite the fact that Gutsu messed up while Galiyeva rightfully earned her spot. So wrong 😡
What do you expect from coaches who only cared about their chosen “golden girls” they’d done it before, and also had the judging under their control. This competition was such a farce as a result.
@@saragrant9749 Oh well at the end of the day Gutsu won, GET OVER IT. I doubt Galieva wouldve gotten the gold.
@@prcelaniit should have been Shannon she was Robbed
@@nikki3415 No Tatiana was way better then her
@@prcelani not true I saw the whole thing
Salto perfecto de Gina Gogean❤❤❤❤❤
Part of this is really a function of 1) the difference between a good score and a great score being pretty negligible, and 2) almost everyone doing the same Yurchenko full vault. But man, we’re the vault scores wacky as hell.
You cannot tell me that Miller and Milosovici deserved the same score for their vaults. Not when Milo had obvious (albeit extremely minor) form breaks in the air despite her superior power and air position. You cannot tell me either vault was that much better than Boginskaya’s two. Just flawless air and body position. You definitely cannot tell me Gutsu’s vault was better than Zmeskal’s when Kim clearly had better form, power and distance throughout. And you can’t tell me Lysenko deserved the same score as Bogi and lower than Milosovici and Miller when she did a way harder vault and stuck it cold. Yeah, maybe not a 10 because her knee bend on her landing was a little deep. But still, beautiful form and it was stuck. When you start comparing the scores among the top girls, they make even less sense
08:48 OMG!! This Russian girl did THREE layouts in a row on beam! I have never seen that in competition before, not even today (2023)
Several people in this broadcast / competition did the same. It was common in the 90s.
Miller did it during the trials for the Olympics, and they made a point to show the view from above the bar so you could see how aligned her shoulders were to the beam haha
@@TaurusWitch29 Check out Shannon's 1992 American Cup beam routine. One of her best ever
Boguinskaya’s beam was underscored.
No it wasn’t
So we're her vaults and her FX.
Este torneo tuvo brillantes gimnastas, Gutsu, Boginskaya, Shannon Miller, Zmeskal, Milosovic, Lysenko.....
And people complain about bars routines today being so similar...
I noticed the bar routines of Shannon Miller and Tatiana Gutsu were almost exactly the same! Just a different dismount haha
But they did often hit them, confidently, with no single ugly wolf turn and good elegant presentation.
@@Estertje93 they don't
@@objetivista686 ugly is subjective. I’d rather see Urazova or Mccallum do a wolf turn than that ugly transfer from the high to low bar, not even in handstand
@@objetivista686 You can't do wolf turns on bars lmao and bar routines definitely lost their charm when they moved then further apart but execution got better in later years. Almost all these routines have late handstands and would be hammered by judging today but they're still well executed for the time
I think this is when you could see gymnastics start to slide into the emphasis on difficulty over everything. This CoP was better than '85-88 because of the scoring in 0.05 increments, although I do miss the emphasis on ROV from that earlier code.
I think this right here is where FIG should have stopped with requiring more and more difficulty. The routines here are almost perfectly in balance in terms of difficulty, artistry and execution. People will argue that today's gymnasts do more difficulty, but just because you stuff your routine full with more difficult elements doesn't actually make the routines better. Not to mention that there is a lot of room for errors and sloppiness in today's routines, whereas these girls had to show complete mastery and one slight wobble or one slight step could cost you a medal. Not to mention the material they were working with. The floor had half the spring of today, the bars basically had no give at all, the landing mats were harder, and the old vaulting horse was obviously much more difficult to vault on.
I've gone back and forth on whether the 10 system was better but I think at the end of the day, it is. Nowadays you can stack difficulty to infinity, but on execution and artistry you can only lose points. If the score is only out of 10, it only takes a single tenth deduction for artistry to tank your score, whereas even with today's strict artistry and execution deductions it is almost impossible for those factors to outweigh the difficulty value. Anyway, all of this is futile because I don't believe the FIG will ever go back to the 10 at this point. But still, we can dream.
Российская гимнастика тех лет идеальна.
Светлана Гребцова,это вы кого имели в виду?
If you mean Gutsu, she was undeserving of a place here- and certainly not gold.
Глупый вопрос. Не знаете, посмотрите историю гимнастики
Да!
@@saragrant9749 She deserved it, stop whining.
Never particularly cared for American gymnasts in general but Shannon Miller was magnificent and most definitely should have won the Gold!
Very nice
Olga ..I crash my bones ..Nadia it perfect 10 Olga Korbut its incredibile like
Gutsu is and will forever be the AA gold medalist, I sure do love seeing the Americans whining about their silver! Gutsu was just so unique and had gorgeous gymnastics that matched her thinness and beauty.
Gutsu was superior in difficulty, while Miller was superior in form and execution. Back in those days the two scores were not separated. Under today's rules, the former should be the hands down winner. But 1992 was different, when the perfect 10 still existed: the latter clearly was robbed of the gold. She might not have, had the judges been stricter in deducting Gutsu for her form breaks.
I think Bogi should’ve medalled, and she was underscored on vault and floor. Gutsu’s floor was kind of overscored
Kind of overscored? That would be a definite understatement. The judges were basically handing the gold to her- not surprising considering they were controlled by the Soviets.
I would have died for a Gutsu, Lysenko, Boginskaya podium!
@@saragrant9749 Nothing was controlled by the soviets, They were simply THE BEST.
@@prcelaninot true
@@nikki3415 Its true
I wish I knew who had that xmas music for floor I hear it in all the videos i just think its funny
“Sleigh Ride!” Chinese gymnast Lu Li!
I really want to see it
ruclips.net/video/LJRWz2vlg0E/видео.html
Thanks I always wanted to see it
I just said the exact thing Joseph. That's so funny 😂
L'année de Tatiana Gutsu
Svetlana Boginiskaya merecía el bronce estoy de acuerdo bque falló en las asimétricas pero hizo una bellísima rutina en la viga y mira que las Soviéticas odian ese aparato.
This competition crazy scoring shows how bad the 10.0 system was once all the top gymnasts knew how to score well. There was no room to rank gymnast properly so judges were trying to score the “easy” 10.0 sv routines lower than the high difficulty ones.
Completely disagree. Gymnastics is now a tumbling competition due to new scoring system and boring to watch.
@@Edgeofillumination But at least gymnasts are getting scored fairly for their difficulty. It's the fig's fault why they rely on mainly tumbling now anyway. They don't know how to properly value skills and think that giving absurd amounts of deductions will compensate. Both systems have their flaws but the 10.0 system definitely wasn't better. I've seen 3 different gymnasts have flawless routines and get major deductions but a routine with wobbles scores higher smh
What it also shows is how much the judges were in the pockets of certain countries. Such a disgusting era in gymnastics.
@@Edgeofillumination be realistic, this code was garbage. There were no real rules it was just a bunch of random bullshit
@@murasakino101 They are not getting scored fairly. Look at Jade Carey. She has 2 points more in deductions in form than anyone else and barely has 3 tenths less in score. The new code is just as bad
Я скучаю по тому времени когда в гимнастике учитывался Артистизм. Я просто хочу чтобы СССР никогда не распадался! Гимнастика должна вернуться в эти времена. Я ненавижу это сегодня! Советы доминировали и я так счастлив.
Shannon should have won. Gutsu wasn't even supposed to be in the all-around. Bela was right- they scored Kim Zmeskal real low. It really wasn't fair. I wish she would have been able to try for 96. I think she started late and got hurt.
So... I have a question... I love watching gymnastics, but I'm not a gymnast, so no nasty comments, please, as I am genuinely interested to know... I always look at the late 80s and 1990s gymnastics as a kind of "golden era" - there seemed to be a lot more variety of skills, inventiveness, and definitely more adventurous tumbling, and stuck.landings. Nowadays, exercises seem very similar among gymnasts and nations, unless you are a Simone Biles type who invents ridiculously difficult skills, but doesn't care about stuck landings because the D-score is so high she will still get huge credit. Would love to hear from some of you in the know... What do you think?
Gymnastics is way harder now. Harder skills make it harder to stick or perform perfectly. Back in the golden era, the goal was to be perfect moreso than difficult. Difficulty is rewarded now which takes away from execution. Also there are new deductions that didn’t really exist back in the day… But landings, stuck landings, were the hallmark of the golden era. That’s my personal opinion at least.
@@worldartgym Thank you - I appreciate your reply. The whole thing is amazing - don't know how they do it!!
I edited my previous reply to you, check it out! Basically just saying how the way routines are evaluated now is completely different. There’s new deductions that didn’t even exist back then. But sticking a landing was such a focal point for judges and spectators alike. Thanks for your question!
And I too miss the variety. The current judging system doesn’t encourage it. Sadly! Something unique was a part of every good routine. Now satisfying the Code and racking points is the name of the game. 🤓
Miller was overscored on both beam and floor where the judges ignored her mistakes and did not deduct. Even though she deserved a 10 on vault should not have even medaled overall.
Agree! Even her bar at 9.50 was grossly high. I didn’t think it was special enough to get that score!
@@TheBlueDanube1 Yes especialy with all those bent arms on the releases.
Why was gutsu overscored so much
Many athletes were over and under scored. While I do believe Gutsu was a little over scored on floor she was definitely under scored on beam!
Gatsu's floor exercise and vault were hihgly inflated. Her landings for those two disciplines were, sometimes, in close proximity to the floor, much bending of the knees and in my estimation, not deserving of the high scores given. Some of those judges were so corrupted that one could smell the smoke of courruption crawling out of them a hundred miles away. All in all, ALL the competitors were fabulous.
She shouldn’t have been there at ALL. Her gold medal is one of the biggest black marks on the sport in Olympic competition, no debate. An athlete put in because her coaches were lying scum. Even worse was her attempt to claim she “understood Galieva’s feelings about it”- excuse me? No she didn’t, and was very snobbish to think she could.
@Nathaniel Walker Gutsu being in the competition was a joke and a robbery. Her gold medal is a black mark on the sport.
@Nathaniel Walker No they weren't, not to mention her legs were apart the entire time and if you watch this video, she slid her feet.
@@saragrant9749 Its the best moment in this sport you mean.
Does anyone know who these British commentators are? I'm assuming they're from the BBC but Google isn't able to give me names
What music was Shannon’s floor?
It is called "The Mail"
Nadia romamianNadia give nothing gest respect respect for what you do forever
Is that a floor music 7:56 a Christmas song?
That's what I just noticed!!! Came to see if anyone had heard the same or if I was losing it. Lol
Haha yep!
yes😊🎄🎅🎁✨🦌✨☃️✨✨
Shannon Miller was robbed of Gold, big time. 😮😮😮
Богинская - богиня!
I love that she’s coaching these days- the voice of experience!
Miller vaults must be 10
Shannon is the greatest gymnast America ever had. She was robbed in these games. Also the Romanians are the best.
She wasn't robbed, The soviets were simply untouchable!
Nadia ita a alure of made for this it simplu the Best gimnast ever
The Soviets were the best here, This was a perfect competition! So sad Lysenko and Boginskaya didn't medal. The podium should've been 1- Gutsu 2- Lysenko 3- Boginskaya. I sure do love and miss my soviet girls! Молодцы девочки. 🥰
A Rosa galieva le robaron su lugar en el AA injustamente en beneficio de gutsu 😔😑
Por algo pasan las cosas y los entrenadores Russos no se equivocan ven más talento o ven más posibilidades cuando cambian a alguien por otro competidor
Rosa was “injured” 😡
@@carlosgranados4231 you are an absolutely disgraceful example of humanity for even thinking there was anything correct or justified in her being forced out for Gutsu. It was an act of pure unsportsmanlike conduct and should have resulted in the coaches being banned.
@@saragrant9749 We all know you wanted Gutsu out so your precise Miller could've won. That's NOT how the world works, Your whining will not change the result.
Why not first Bogy's vault was not a perfect ten??? 🤔🤔🤔
Shannon Miller should had won and Boginskaya 3rd. Gutsy 2nd. The scores were a bit unreliable.
The scores were reflective of the judges being under the control of the Soviets.
Gutsu 1, Lysenko 2, Boginskaya 3!
@@saragrant9749 Nothing was controlled, you were simply terrible.
I wonder if Nelly Kim gave a poor score to Romania again like in 1988
And her vault was a 10
Shannon was so robbed
She deserved a 10 on vault and gutzu shouldn't of been there even through I live her gymnastics
Shannon was overmarked and deserved 4th place. Her beam and floor scores were both gifts, she wasn't even deducted anything for her mistakes, while all others were hammered for theirs.
@@grantdesjardins764 Point out the mistakes that you claimed Shannon made with exactitude.
@@dezziliodevellini9533 loss of rhythm on bars before the dismount, shaky beam, huuge step on the second pass on Floor (and no, that was in no way the traditional lunge they did back then)
She was far better during the event finals, where she should have scored higher on some events
She wasn’t robbed tho
Gutsus vault was not better than Shannon’s or worth 9.95. Rediculous
Miller should have won. Goutsou should feel Shane because hers is a stolen, tainted gold
This competition makes me so angry- knowing a young girl was robbed of her chance to compete. To me, this event result should come with an asterisk.
No it shouldn’t. It’s very sad what happened to Galiyeva, but Gutsu was a better gymnast. They were to substitute her in, although, I must say, I wish they’d have their scores carry over from the team competition. I think that’s way more fair.
@@EdGringo78 it’s absolutely never fair to take out a gymnast who rightfully earned their spot. If Gutsu was better she should have proved it to begin with. It will always be wrong and unsporting, period.
@@saragrant9749 You’re allowed to have your opinion. However, at this point in history, particularly in East Europe, these coaches lives were very likely in jeopardy for not winning medals or casting their country in a positive light.
@@EdGringo78 very likely true- thank goodness that era is over. In my own case I’m glad my parents never allowed me to do the sport (I was a track athlete instead and loved it) because the sport in general is corrupt and judgmental. The situation in the US proves it too.
@@saragrant9749 I’m glad that part is over too! I’m glad you had a great experience in track!!
All the competitors looked malnurished and in need of a few good meals with tasty grilled salmon Saporito, penne under a a red finger-licking sauce, Cesar salad, a glass of aqua minerale or good organic glass of juice from organic fruits. They all deserve avery nutritious meals.
What about long distance runners. It’s apart of the sport.
well the girls of today look like they eat 3 Big Macs and 2 large fries and a supersized coke with a strawberry shake.
@@JB-sg1vy better than gymnasts with eating disorders that are literal children 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
@@JB-sg1vy They’re all so manly! It's a shame.
They look perfecto.
unpopular opinion but i believe tatiana gutsu was the better gymnast here but i still believe shannon miller should have won gold as gutsu cheated her way into the final x
She didn't cheat. Any gymnast had no saying into these decisions. Plus, Galyeva qualified at 8th place, I don't think she would have won AA or had any chances of even medal. That's why the coaches felt Gutsu had better chances, specially because she was the European AA champion in that very same year.
@@DiegoMix501bit late sorry but i mean her delegation
cheated her in. she didn’t have any say and it’s not her fault.
Think we all know ...
Miller Gold was robbed
She shouldn't have even medalled!
@@prcelani her gold medal was robbed by you
Shannon was overscored on both beam and floor. She was not deducted for her mistakes at all, while others like Gutsu on floor and Lysenko on beam and floor and Kim on floor did get deducted for their mistakes. So unfair, she should have been 4th and off the podium behind both Bogi and Milo.
With all due respect, I think the 10.0 system was so corrupt that there was a lot of gray area, for example, a harder routine with a few errors scored higher than a less difficult one with the same types of errors, so judges were subjective in how they ranked gymnasts. I also believe Gutsu was overscored on floor. In the current system, I still believe it would be a close competition, but I think Shannon would have the advantages. Just my honest opinion.
@@worldartgym In the current system Gutsu would have done her double twisting yurchenko which she does pretty easily and better than her full. She would have had even more difficulty than Miller on beam, much more difficulty than Miller on floor, and much more on vault. Based on that alone she would have easily beaten Miller on the current system I think, when both had mistakes and Miller actually had more mistakes. Bogi meanwhile no longer has a chance under the current system, but under the 92 system she should have probably won gold or silver that night since she was the cleanest, had the fewest mistakes, had the best artistry, and was out of 10 on every event, even though she had less difficulty.
There was no way they were letting bogi on the podium. It was clear they were no longer considering her UB FX and Bb sets as comparable with the other top gymnasts. She played too safe here with those routines and they kept her off the podium for it.
@@mrparts Yeah I think they sort of sent her a message at the 91 worlds AA which I thought was a bogus result, but they had her lose to Kim who had no more difficulty and worth excecution and artistry. I think they were being extra hard on her since they wanted her to up the difficulty since there were youngsters coming up, the top 3 in the AA in 92, who were doing much more, but she didn't take the hint and got bypassed.
@@richardross4677 i agree. She showed up in Barcelona with less difficulty on floor than in 91. Her UB routine was stagnant way too simple and not competitive at all. Beam was clean but that single gainer layout was not impressing anyone. And for vault , all the top gymnasts had already mastered the yurchenko full, so she had no advantage over any competitor.
9.925 for that major error? Shannon was cheated.
While I always look highly on Shannon Miller, the other phenomenal Russian gymnasts were as superb as Shsnnon
Gutsu and Lysenko are Ukrainian, and Bogi is Belarusian. No Russians here
@@mht4908 Bulgarian? Try Byelorussian!
@@imangymfans4826 Sorry my bad. She’s from Belarus
Romanian gimnast is the best in the world
Shannon Miller Gold was robbed by .... you know laaah
She was a great silver medalist and that's about it.
She wasn’t robbed
@@cherrylove9142 shannon better.
Skor not subjective
@@ajibumiserpongdamai1519 back then the score system was different the more the difficulty the less the deduction , Tatiana had more difficulty
@@cherrylove9142 back then the score was all about country of origin, nothing more.
We’re gymnastics just easier then? They stick the landing so much. Why are Russians over scores
Tatiana made many mistakes. Not sure why she won...
Shannon should have won
No.
No
Tatiana had more difficulty in her routines specially on floor and beam
No
@@cherrylove9142 Tatiana shouldn't have been there to compete against Shannon in the first place. The Unified coaches cheated, claiming the real qualifier had a knee injury she didn't have.
GOTSU ???..😂😂😂 IT DIDN'T FUN ANYMORE
Shannon won
Only in your imaginary world. In reality Gutsu won the gold!
Shannon was ROBBED.
REBECA ANDRADE 👉🏿🇧🇷🇧🇷🥈🥇
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You could have run this competition ten times and got ten different placements for the top ten.
Legend
so true. so many great gymnasts in this era
I want the simulation where Grudneva and Galieva get to compete also 😍
Yeah, that time so many gymnasts were pure perfection. In fact, it was the last Olympics to give perfect 10s...
Why did Boginskaia choose that horrible leotard??? She was stunning beautiful, but with another leo she would have looked elegant too. And the music she choosed didn't work well with their dress choice.
SIEMPRE HE ADMIRADO A RUMANIA, POR SER EXTRAORDINARIAS ! PERO EN ESTOS JUEGOS LAS PUNTUACIONES PARA LAS GINNASTA FUERON MUY BAJAS, SIENDO SU EJECUCION EXCELENTE, TODAS FUERON MARAVILLOS, ME REFIERO A TODOS LOS PAISES, TREMENDA EJECUCION, PERO LAS PUNTUACIONES BAJAS !
Creo que Cristina Bontas recibió unos regalos en puntuación pero sólo es mi opinión.