Asphalt out, green in; intersection reconstruction in the Netherlands
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- [810] A major intersection was reconstructed in 's-Hertogenbosch in the Netherlands. Fewer lanes for motor traffic and much more green. That, with better cycling infrastructure and experimental traffic signals for pedestrians, make it an exceptional project. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.w...
As a dutchman, this is weird to watch cause it's so normal
As a German this is a wet dream to me :(
As a Brit, we can't even make the wet dream!!!
As a French , I feel I have never been riding on a real bicycle lane after watching this video.
*sobs hysterically in Florida*
As a Russian, I ensure all the commentators that you are happy just with having a chance to at least wet-dream about such infrastructure.
The true first world country
Nederlanders lmao
Every country is flawed
Some more than other *cough cough* america
It's not. There is enough things wrong with it.
@@gentlebabarian u mean America or Netherlands
Cause I meant every country can never be perfect closest thing to a good society might be Japan
1. No wars since WW2
2. A stable economy
3. Something else
@@rickvandam3238 holland didnt have a war either after WW2, the economy is stable, and its proven that kids here are the happiest. Education is good, ethernet/wifi is good everywhere, alot is done for nature, and the cops are well trained. Racism is still a thing here and there, but not as much as in america or other countries ive heard about. I cant say for sure though, im white.
There is no excuse as to why other developed countries with money can’t have intelligent infrastructure like this.
its cuz their brain go "car better car superiour!"
Yes there is. It’s called car lobbyists.
True, it's better for the environment.
Almost all traffic lights in the Netherlands are controlled by sensors. (induction loop)
We also have traffic lights who are able to detect the number of waiting vehicles with heat sensors.
Nowadays traffic lights are even controlled by encrypted software.
My thoughts exactly. This is remarkable. I live in Paris atm, but besides building new bike lanes nothing is really changing. The infrastructure alone isn't enough. Urban development and technology are a lot more efficient.
This is what it looks like over here ruclips.net/video/ZwzbrhRjysw/видео.html
Netherlands build cities around the bicycle while other countries are simply building more bicycle lanes and call it a step forward.
It's not even a money issue, roads need maintenance and replacement anyway. The town where I live has been gradually replacing old road surface while updating to present day standards. One week I ride to work on an worn shared road, the next it has been entirely repaved with a pair of nice and broad red bike suggestion lanes on either side. This proces has been going on throughout the city for years now and it's been pretty remarkable to see the improvements accumulate.
This is too advanced for German politicians. I am once again jealous of the Netherlands
Yeah, like traffic lights that responsed to something, thats a nogo in germany, if you have to wait, you wait, no buts
Please don't.. shit like this is why everything is expensive as hell in the netherlands i go to germany for gas and groceries
Well, here they decreased the max speed to 100 km/h during the day forma ridiclious reason. I wish I could drive on the autobahn everyday.
@@Remy.- Then why don't you leave altogether? Enjoy the benefits but avoid to carry the burdens. You should be ashamed.
It took 4 days in the '40s so come over. ;-)
just a joke. We learn from each other.Dutch from Deutsch, Deutch from Dutch.
In my city in the USA, we’re celebrating that some new paint laid out out a bike lane on a bumpy old street, and as an extra, we even got some plastic bollard sticks to “protect us”. Woohoo! Oh wait, the land ends at each intersection and dead ends at a curb near an old RR crossing.
And it was planned for years (seriously), and the biking community is celebrating at breweries each night this week in that neighborhood (also seriously).
If we got an intersection like in this video, well, I don’t even know if we’d know what to do with such joy.
Don't let this new shiny intersection blind you though. Consider that in the Netherlands in the 70s cars were everywhere and people started demanding a safer place for pedestrians and cyclist. So there has been 50 years of incremental changes to achieve the infrastructure that there is now. Painting a strip for cyclists and putting it behind plastic poles is a small initial step that could eventually in 50 years lead to great infrastructure if your community wants it to.
@@XEinstein that won't happen because American cities are mostly broke and stuck maintaining low value/sq. m suburban sprawl.
Check out Not Just Bikes videos on this. The two most recent ones.
He links to Strong Towns who've identified the problem very well.
@@rishi-m I saw both NJB videos, which were both great. But besides that it's mainly a mentality thing. In the seventies government was all about giving tons of space to cars. It was people actually taking to the streets in protest that got the government to focus more on bike infrastructure. And I really strongly doubt that people in the US will get a mentality that is needed to make the changes that strong towns advocates.
Nevertheless my original point that it takes many many small steps to reach Dutch level infra remains ver valid
@@XEinstein protesting part is true. Nothing to dispute. We all can agree that Americans live in a messed up society where their communities are shattered & individuals have their wealth extracted at every opportunity, for almost nothing in return.
@@rishi-m Even in suburbia you can have good cycling infrastructure. In fact, it's easier over there's because you've more space. The Netherlands also has suburbs like Almere and even there good cycling infrastructure can be found.
Again a crossing in my neighbourhood that I use very often! We do have a great city council, dont we? Love the content keep up the great video's.
And that's rare !
A citizen who's happy with his city's council.
I'm sure they are pleased to read your comment.
Yes the city council is very innovative, especially when it comes to traffic lights 😀
Lucky you get to live with some of the best human centered infratructure in the world!
Is the other stuff as good (schools internet...?)
@@burgerpommes2001
Yes, schools are good, education level is relatively high in this city.
Internet is not a responsibility of the municipality, but internet density and speed in the NL are one of the best in the world.
I've never heard of pedestrian lights like that. Brilliant!
I am dreaming of a day when the Russians feel the same way that most of the Dutch do. Bike lanes are the best-case scenario for me as I live in a small town with no need to use a car. Regrettably, but there are too many people who are against this, among car-drivers in particular. Better hope, the Dutch approach elevates their thinking.
The Dutch just noticed that seperating cars from bicycles with both given lanes to drive on that you have less accidents as well as less car owners annoyed. After a generation grew up with bycicle infrastructure now most car owners have been driving one in their youth as well and their kids f they have them still are. So most car owners won't object making roads saver for the pedestrian and those on bicycles.
The big difference is city planning. Allowing businesses, especially key businesses (like grocery stores and whatnot) to also be in housing districts. The thing lots of city planners do is bunch up the shops so people need to move more distance in order to get their key needs. The reason cycling works well in the Netherlands, is because in 15 minutes you can get pretty much everything you need on a daily basis and most of what you need weekly. Shops, restaurants, parks, etc. all need to be close in order for people to accept cycling. And yes, this is expensive and takes a long time to do.
Russians are cancelled for the next 25 years.. The best advice is to escape that hellhole and try to find a better life and another nationality somewhere else. Getting a bicycle lane is very low on their priorities now.
@@Blackadder75 Do you think the Dutch would have bike lanes if they just ran away from Holland?
in many areas in the USA, pedestrians (and bicyclists) must press a button at a crosswalk to get a 30 second green light to cross. If they don't press it, they will never get a green light and will never be able to cross traffic.
Nevermind that you can press it and wait 3 minutes for permission to cross.
And in the UK, that button often only gets you half-way across the junction, where you have to press another button and wait on the island.
This is common throughout the world. Even at the intersection in this video, there is a button for pedestrians to press to get a walk sign. As a cyclist, I am almost always able to get a green light by stopping in the correct spot. This probably varies by place though.
Yes, well the thing is that electromagnetic loops in the street are pretty good at detecting big chunks of metal like cars and even smaller chunks of metal like bikes. They are not so successful at detecting watery bags of meat wanting to cross. That's why, even here in the Netherlands, every pedestrian crossing has a call button.
@@XEinstein true, but in general, when you press the pedestrian button, the light switches to green pretty quick.
Meanwhile in Estonia.. well do I even need to start. I'm thinking about migrating to Netherlands. Cities and countries these days compete for workforce and talent, so what do I really have here except incompetence and promises. According to the city officials, this 5% increase in cars every year is unavoidable so apparently they need accommodating by building new roads. New fast tram lines to connect residential areas? Can't have that, not enough money. Reconstructing existing tramways? Sure, but let's make them slower than they were before.
I wish EU would just stop giving us money.
Or vote them out🤔
@@coolsoenie That's very difficult to do. But even then the people running the various departments of the city would stay the same.
All the design standards that set the minimal width of roads or radii for turns are apparently just recommendations. Tens of millions for the benefit of car owners but they can't even put up a dozen street signs to benefit cyclists.
@@kalle911 immigrating to the Netherlands is easy if you’re already an EU citizen and in the schengen area. The hard part is making sure you get a job because Dutch is very hard to learn. Luckily in the Randstad area (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague and Utrecht) most people speak english. If you need more help I am dutch and I don’t mind helping.
@@hyort3613 I'm just waiting for this pandemic to pass while I pad my CV. I'm a software dev.
As far as languages go I think that Dutch is rather easy. Aside from some more complicated grammar (Similar to English: conditional past and the likes).
I already know a tonne of words in that (or even Afrikaans because the internet exists), but speaking and formulating sentences is another matter. Ik was in Nederland in 2015 en 2016 voor een week, wanneer ik was op een vakantie. De haring was smakelijk A++++ ik zal kom terug.
but thanks. appreciated.
@@kalle911 haha, sounds good. Good luck.
Love the Netherlands. Great people and country.
I also live near Den Bosch and can remember what a hassle this crossing used to be when using the bus. It improved with better software for the traffic lights and a separate buslane.
The solar powered lights aren't exactly new for Den Bosch though, before the summer in Rosmalen (west) at the first exit of the A50 from the A2, they also added these lights. They work well there too. This intersection is probably one of the busiest, even if it doesn't look that way. Its one of the major roads heading towards the train station, because the inner city is separated by water, so a bridge follows this road quickly. But most people still ride a bike there and they've added parking spaces on the other side of the city where most cars now go to.
Wonderful example of Dutch cycling infrastructure, it always gives me so much joy!
Although it is November I recently got a really nice bicycle and seriously, our cycling infrastructure allows me to plan bicycle rides with minimal car interaction. Once you get out of town, you have access to many bicycle-only routes. Intersections like this allow us to get across busy roads more safely. It does not get any better than this!, thanks for sharing
I really love how the bike path system is also such a help for disabled persons. Your electric wheelchair would never fit in a stroad.
🇳🇱 Lo es todo para mi, un país que vive en el año 2050 ahora mismo. Groeten uit Lima Perú 🇵🇪 nederlandse honderd procent 🇳🇱
They forgot lunar panels for when it is night!
LOL
Ja maar dan blijf je toch een probleempje houden bij nieuwe maan. Misschien dan ook gelijk maar sterrepanelen installeren?
@@09conrado Wolkenpanelen, die werken vrijwel altijd in Nederland.
You know there is still duracel
Mini windmolens boven elke verkeerslicht.
Les Pays Bas, sont quand même leader des pistes cyclables en Europe 🇪🇺 ! 👍👏🎩
In the Netherlands, Aldermen can wear white sneakers under a suit haha.
I mean, you can hardly expect people to buy a second pair of shoes, right?
That's only possible when your politicians don't have to wade through knee deep male bovine manure to do their job.
You can wear them in parlement as well.
Great work! It must have taken some time to film all that.
Thank you for sharing this amazing video 👍
Your country should be rightly proud of your achievements 👏 and my frustration at cars not only parking in the cycle ways here in Scotland , but not being stopped from parking there , come on Scotland not good enough .
In my anarchy days I used to 'dye bomb' cars that parked on bike or pedestrian spots.
1:21 use an app to get a green light quicker? Please tell us more about this.
The app is called Schwung and works in Den Bosch, Eindhoven, Dordrecht and partially in other cities. Last week Schwung was improved in Den Bosch so it should work better now. The first time you reach a traffic light with the app, the light for straight on should be activated. You will see the 'wachttijdvoorspeller' being actived early on before you even reach the first detection loops. Please note that you have to have an internet connection and allow all authorizations (machtigingen) the app asks for.
I can confirm it works. You can see the lights of the button switching on when you are quite far away. Depending on crossing traffic you might have to wait at the traffic light, but sometimes you don't and most of the times your waiting time is probably shortened.
The advantage of the app is that it can detect you earlier than a the in-ground detectors which are only 25 m in advance of the intersection (about 5 sec at cycling speed). In some cases it will take longer than 5 second to provide a green, and via the app your detection location can be adjusted accordingly.
The Schwung app also uses your trip history to guess which direction you will go at the intersection. This also helps the signal provide a green in the correct direction whereas the in-ground detectors have no way of knowing which green lights you want. Those detectors typically assume everyone is going straight, which is a potential source of inefficiency.
@@MrHenkkkie that's cool.
I was recently wishing our citys buses didn't have to wait at traffic lights and it's already real in the nederlands, and works with bikes!
I'm actually not really a fan of this at all. It creates two classes of road users who get treated differently for no good reason; those who have a smartphone and agree to installing the app, and those who don't. Not to mention that this is once again some random private company sucking up private data with no real oversight on how that data is being processed or used.
This should really just be fixed infrastructure (eg. sensors) that does not place any burden on the road users - I'm unconvinced, for example, that tracking individuals can *really* provide meaningfully better accuracy than recording generic traffic patterns by time of day and then predicting based on that. It certainly hasn't done so in the past for other things which claimed magical accuracy by avoiding generalized statistics (and which of course were also private companies sucking up data).
It makes me want to cry. Scottish cities could have intelligently designed infrastructure like this if they made it a priority. It's certainly cheaper than having to build and maintain more and more roads for cars. The few (shitty) cycle lanes we have here in Scotland are clogged up with parked cars, and leaves in the autumn, with almost zero enforcement. It's fucking embarrassing. And of course the views of a loud minority of arrogant motorists outweighs the views of the "immature" cyclists in every long, drawn-out consultation process into a stretch of disconnected, badly designed cycle lanes. There's no excuse for it.
More people are resorting to cars, adding more and more traffic and pollution, fewer kids are walking to school, the streets are increasingly unsafe, and private bus companies that operate everywhere cut unprofitable routes, isolating whole communities and exacerbating already high levels of inequality and poverty. I'm going to stop now before I become even more depressed. Needless to say, I'm jealous, Netherlands.
it is very strange in a way to see a place where I used to cycle home every day.
Having had a girlfriend live at the aartshertogenlaan and myself coming in each weekend with the train from the north on the country and biking from the main station to her house, I remember how busy that intersection was. But to be honest, I didn’t think it was badly designed. But this redesign does look even better.
She lived where did you say? Haha. What the heck does even "aartshertogenlaan" mean? Its a street name i guess?
@@MegaEssin yes it is. One of the streets connected to that intersection
@@mrpddnos Is the translation archdukes lane/alley correct?
Might just look weird because there's no spaces. And the fact that i cant read dutch.
@@MegaEssin the translation of “Archdukeslane” would be correct. But generally you don’t translate street names
@@mrpddnos no, but i just wanted to know what that pile of letters meant haha. For a dutch person it might be business as usual, but thats a tounge twister if i've ever seen one.
Great work!
hope to see u in velo city 2021 lisbon
Good to see, there's not just _One cyclist_ over there 😉
In Australia they use solar panels to power flashing school zone signs and flashing wildlife warning signs but still no solar powered traffic lights. I'm surprised they still aren't more common.
You have a lot more sun ofc lol. It's winter in the netherlands now, it's almost fully dark at 5pm. Not that much daylight in Dutch winters.
@@ltg8382 But we have way more daylight at winter than in northern Scandinavia... Where the sun barely (or not) shines around December 21st.
Maybe they will become more common when the city councils watch this type of videos, or get their inspiration from other sources... Some countries are more innovative than others...
Wish my teachers are more like you
Fun fact, in some citys in the netherlands you can't take your drivers test because "the streets are to save"
So they take you to other older citys to learn
jimerick1 : safe
@@rightuppercut1426 cities, Netherlands, driver's, too. And missing colon and semicolon. But who's counting? ;)
smart with the detection lights , you guys plan on having all lights timed so you won't have to stop? some of our city streets here if you go 27 miles a hour you make all the lights thanks
We have a 50km/h "green wave" for cars but on a busy crossing like this with bike lanes too , that wouldn't and shouldn't work. If theres many bikes , the cars should have to stop.
Where I live in Germany the green wave probably would work but there are too many cars which means they wait at a green light till the car in front left the intersection
@@burgerpommes2001
That can be resolved by connecting the intersections in a smart way, where the software reacts to more traffic and makes green longer for the direction with more cars.
It prevents traffic jams, but only works if the amount of traffic stays within the capacity of the roads.
@@dutchman7623 is not possible at the road I have in mind
At the end of the road there is an intersection with tram priority and pedestrians still want to cross
It is not possible to guarantee everyone a green light in every direction and for every road user. Green waves work in one direction, or maybe two (the theoretical maximum is 4). In contrast, each Dutch intersection will have dozens of different signal phases (straight for bicycles, straight for cars, left for cars, first half of one side for pedestrians, etc), so guaranteeing a couple directions a green wave would actually increase overall delay by reducing the signals's ability to respond to other users as they arrive.
The additional forms of bicycle detection (via app for example) help the signal decide when to turn others red, but it would not make sense to guarantee cyclists a green, since they carry only one person each. It wouldn't make sense to stop 5 people just to let 1 bicycle through. This is in contrast to public transport detection, which does stop many people to let one vehicle through without stopping, because that vehicle could be carrying 80 people in the case of a bus, or 130 people in the case of a tram. And of course the signal does everything possible to get green lights for emergency vehicles because it is a matter of life and death.
Dit ziet er heel goed uit.
Our politicians: Hamburg is a bike city!
Dutch people: facepalm
Same here in France : They even say Strasbourg is the "Capital of bike" !
It's nowhere near a Dutch city !
I love how that guy did not want to be there anymore, after he was living in the UK during the evacuation
How the fuck have I ended up watching videos of roadworks.
In Germany this would've taken 2 years to finish, and everything would've looked shit in the end anyway, especially the pseudo cycling infra (aka painted lanes with zero protection - or with ugly US-style bollards and zero protection in the crossings.
Meanwhile in France : You're lucky when there is just a painting on the side of the road drawing a line with a bicycle sign on it (and when no car is park on it)...
Yet we have a law that says that every road should have a bicycle counterpart, and it's here since 1998, but it was almost never respected...
Een app om verkeerslichten te beïnvloeden terwijl je je smartphone niet fietsend mag bedienen ...
Welke app is dat trouwens? Werkt via Bluetooth naar ik aanneem?
De app is volgens mij Schwung. Ik gebruik het zelf ook en stoplichten springen vaak op groen voordat je bij het kruispunt aankomt. Het gebruikt GPS en Bluetooth.
Daar is aan gedacht. Het licht springt automatisch op rood zodat je je smartphone wel mag bedienen.
@@driewiel 😲😊
Dat is Schwung inderdaad, de app werkt ook in Eindhoven, Dordrecht en deels in andere steden. De app werkt alleen met een internet verbinding en let op dat je de app alle machtigingen verleent om goed te werken. Recent zijn alle kruispunten in Den Bosch verbeterd, dus het zou allemaal beter moeten werken 😀
@@driewiel Opzich een goed idee, verkeerslichten op rood wanneer de bestuurder zijn / haar / hun telefoon vast houdt
Wow... even that unfished intersection with the greenery that grew by itself looks way better then most finished intersections here in Canada. Still somehow looks natural before the trees!
Why is it a pro that pedestrians cant see whether or not it gets red light while walking?
Since you can hear them anyway. Looking at the light the whole time whilst crossing draws focuss to the light instead of your surroundings. This makes for a more relaxed experience crossing the street.
@@TeunR I'm not totally convinced by the concept. What about the deaf? What about when you start late in the green cycle? Only if you are guaranteed to have green whatever the walking tempo perhaps. I think it's resassuring to have confirmation that you're crossing 'within your right' so to speak.
This change solves the problem that most Dutch people misunderstand the meaning of the red pedestrian light. People think that they need to complete their crossings before the light turns red, but the meaning is actually that you need to START your crossing before the light turns red. After the light turns red, there is enough time reserved for the pedestrian to cross the street at 1.2 m/s. The lights do not provide any relevant information to people who have already started crossing, so allowing crossing pedestrians to see them only leads to confusion.
Moving the lights to the near side will reduce the number of complaints the City recieves from people who claim the light is too short, just because it turned red while they were crossing. When in fact that situation has nothing to do with whether the light is too short or not.
praevius. So what if you did not cross the intersection completely when your light turns red. It is not like the cars will immediately start running you over. People are quite decent you know.
@@zuur303 the time you get to cross it's always enough to let my mother cross she is 89 and walking with a cane does that answer it for you?
What bike did you use to do this awesomes videos?
We might pay a stupid amount of tax but at least some of it is used well.
Some of it??? Actually a lot of it.
Meanwhile in the US: 'If bicyclists didn't want to be hit by cars, they should have had cars instead lol. That's their problem.'
What truly astonishes me about this project, is that it was done in only a couple of months! I'm not sure what the planning cycle is for these things, as they seem to have a lot of details, but construction on this intersection would have easily taken a couple of years in the US.
We have lots of "near side" pedestrian crossings in the UK and have had for decades. Some prefer them and they're mostly OK when you have a low volume of people using them so you can see the control. However in crowded town centres they can be a bit of pain compared to the older style with the display high up on the far side because you might end up waiting for the lights to change with people standing in front of the control so you can't see that the aspect has changed in your favour (its not always clear people standing by the poles are just chatting and not waiting to cross).
We've also had small thumb wheels under the control panels for blind users for decades as well. This used to be accompanied with beeping, but many crossings no longer have that so they don't disturb or annoy people living nearby.
do you live in our beautiful city 's-Hertogenbosch?
btw, you speak of an app to get green light quicker? Never heard of it.
And: Yeah, i just wrote an entire book on your other video about the reconstruction of the station in Zeist, where i was talking about traffic lights and how annoying some can be.
We here in 's-Hertogenbosch have the BEST system there is, in my humble opinion.
Why?
Not because it is the most beautiful city i was born in, but because it is the case.
Because they count down.
The middle light, the yellow one, counts down. So if people pay a bit of attention, they know EXACTLY when they can start accelerating, thereby reducing traffic jams and keeping the traffic flowing.
Unfortunately there are too many idiots on the roads these days that do not pay ANY attention to what is going on around them, and so they need at least 10 more seconds before they start moving after the light has already turned colour.
Unfortunately we have these annoying people who seem to give no shit about any other human being, and they make sure the entire string of cars behind them has to wait for another turn of the lights.
If only we could train people as simple as we can train traffic lights.
O wait..... In Zeist, just 1 of many examples i can give.
Shows it must be difficult to train (program) traffic lights.
Or they are the idiots i was just talking about, who wont move even if the light has counted down from 3 to 1, and has been coloured green for 10 seconds.
Yeah, i guess they must be.
Annoying sacks of doo doo.
PS: sorry for writing you yet another book.
''Not everything went right'' Oh let's see, how did they screw up.....they misplaced one sign.....
You pronounciantion of 's-Hertogenbosch was impeccable. However, the Dutch just say "Den Bosch". :-)
Its almost as if he's Dutch huh?
How does 'red asphalt' come about? ..does it have a higher albedo than black asphalt?
3:14 Sweden: Are you sure about that?
Unless there are traffic lights, or a special cycle passage, cars and bikes have yield to each other, because "its safer" if no one has the right of way. Usually it means no ones sure and both parties drive first. If it works in theory it probably wont work in practice, because people.
Hör ni det Transportstyrelsen!
In the Netherlands, everyone has to yield for cyclists. If an intersection doesn't yield to cyclists then after a few accidents the intersection will yield to cyclists.
@@-yttrium-1187 Yeah, does'nt work like that over here, if a bicycle is involved the accident will be 50/50 no matter who was right. But thats insurance company policy. But that tells you how "well" it works up here.
Dutch court ruling when a car got in an accident with a bicyclist running a red light: "As it is commonly known that bicyclists almost never stop for red traffic lights the car driver could expect and therefore should be prepared to avoid an accident with the bicyclist. Car driver is at fault and liable." And there are dozens of this kind of ruling more. In Dutch law the weaker party is always more protected. Ranking in protection is:
1.Disabled people and children younger than 12.
2.Pedestrians
3.Bicyclists
4.Mopeds and scooters with a max speed of 45 KM/h
5.Cars and motorbikes
6.Buses, Heavy goods trucks.
Nr 1 gets the most legal protection. nr 6 gets the least protection.
To be honest those cross walk lights are confusing to me. They've installed the same ones on an intersection of the Graafseweg which I use pretty often. You're telling me here that I should just go when the first one is green, but ignore the ones in the middle island? Furthermore, the light and button are on the left hand side at the start, on the right at the middle, and then I need to go on the left to avoid anyone at the other side's light, therefore crisscrossing twice... If I should ignore the lights in the middle like this video suggest (they're also hard to notice on time) why put them in...
No, of course you must not ignore the light in the middle, I absolutely never suggested that! You must observe the light for the crossing you are making. From the middle there is a new crossing with a new light. The lights are positioned in such a way that you always face where traffic is coming from, so you can see other traffic arriving. That is why they are where you find them.
@@BicycleDutch fair enough, I pondered about the fact is that the lights are facing you in the same way as oncoming traffic. But the one on the middle is not really noticable till the last moment. Maybe angle them slightly into the direction from where the pedestrian is coming from?
@@dennisverweij4817 then you would think it is for the crossing you just finished. It is not. It is for the crossing you are going to make!
@@BicycleDutch alright, so I just went through the pedestrian crossing of Graafseweg and lagelandstraat/van grobbendonklaan. And I see what you're saying, maybe I'm just a dumb user who still needs to get use to it after my whole life using the traditional model. Even though the new set has been there for a several months. And in that time they have adjusted it to be better, as I know at the start they just had a red LED light that showed if you pressed the button, which was nigh on impossible to see during the day. Now this month they have a label that glows which one can see during the day.
These "Maastricht-style" pedestrian lights finally make the placement of pedestrian consistent with other types of signals, which are all located before the crossing. However, during the transition period, some pedestrian signals will be before the crossing and others after, which can indeed cause confusion regarding the light in the median island. At old installations, this light refers to the crossing BEFORE the light, but in the new situation, it refers to the crossing AFTER the light.
As such, it is necessary for the maastricht-style lights to look very different from the old style of lights and be arranged differently, which unfortunately does make them slightly less visible than the old style.
In the green sections, you should plant something useful like corn or marijuana! Just kidding. Hahaha!
As a Dutchman I have to be critical of this overexaggerated reconstruction. I still see an ocean of asphalt, many winding lanes and way too many traffic lights. Maybe the engineers should have applied that good old design rule "less is more"...
Of course there's still asfalt. It's stil a busy important road in and through the city.
As a Scotsman, you don't realise how good you have it. You're decades ahead of anywhere else on the planet in terms of sensible, well-designed infrastructure.
Hans hoe wil jij je anders gaan verplaatsen? met magneet auto's ofzo
Wonderful!
Laat je horen nederlanders
it was a highway and now it is not .
that is called progress !
such a shame that the bus lane had to go
I like this kind of video's :P
You do not want to be taken over by weeds.
Wow,,,,,, do not know what to say.
Cool video :)
Piękne nagranie i cudowna Holandia
Wanna know how much this project cost
couldn't find how much it costed but before it was constructed they tought it would cost 1.5 million euro.
Wow why don’t we have solar powered traffic lights everywhere yet? This is such a good idea that you’d think we would have tons of these already. Really hope they incorporate this more in designing new road and intersections.
Netherlands has poor sunshine hours and if placed at an angle (sun moves) the output further diminished. For night and when clouded, you still need power lines. "Batteries" are not an option because they are rather expensive for a small amount that you don't know how much it will last.
@@georgesbv1 I get that. But for a simple traffic light I guess it could be sufficient during the day. Of course you’ll always need cables for the entire installation (computer and clouded and night time cycles) but hey, every bit helps I think :)
US roadways will never be this sophisticated! This country motorways will continue to decay while Congress will continue to ask then for vote for their pay raise.
First all woods and trees get chopped, houses and roads be build and then they'll be thinking we need some green, plant new trees and stuff....but then in 3-4 years time, the trees get to big or there's to much leaves falling off, and they'll be chopped again, and so on....
We should stop destroying nature. I cycle at the Veluwe...for now....cuz all big trees are getting chopped there also, at some places the Veluwe now looks more like a park for dogs then a forrest.
Theres wide concrete paths everywhere cuz nature has to be reachable for everyone. Untill there's no nature left, only parking places for cars and concrete paths with 10ft young trees alongside and loose running dogs everywhere, chasing you when they see you.
They pland to put trees where they make sense you know
And forests and urban trees have a different use
wat is die groene licht app?
Is overbodig vind ik door de sensoren in de grond.🤔🤓
The alderman obviously had no idea what he was talking about.
That road never was a snelweg/highway. A busy main road? Yes, but never a highway. Highways don't have intersections either.
Some fifty years ago it was a highway: up north it was what is now the A2 to Utrecht/Amsterdam and to the east is was the A59 to Nijmegen. I’m not sure the alderman was referring to that, but he wasn’t wrong😉
@@Annelies_Kees It probably was the main road to those cities at that time but not as a highway.
Before the A2 was opened around Den Bosch this was where all through traffic had to go. The road was designed with 2x2 lanes and overpasses and underpasses as much as possible. So yes, it was definitely the ‘snelweg’; the main route between Amsterdam and Maastricht.
@@BicycleDutch I'm not disagreeing that it was the main road but that is in this case something completely different than a snelweg/highway.
@@gert-janvanderlee5307 Ever heard of a metaphor? The comparison is obviously not meant literally.
I fail to see how giving pedestrians less information while crossing so they feel more relaxed while maybe crossing during a red light is a good thing. This seems like a dangerous experiment to me for kids new in traffic. A step too far.
They get all the information they need. If it is green when you start there *is* enough time for you to finish your crossing in an average walking pace. When the light goes red while you are in the middle of it, it only means no other people should start a crossing because there is not enough time for *them*. That is not relevant for the people on the crossing already. This is completely safe.
@@BicycleDutch It's probably safe but with the added and unneeded extra 'if .. then' step I think that it will result in just as much added stress and confusion in some as it removes in others. Also most people will hear the change in sound anyway. I don't think there really was a need to change a uniform and nearly globally implemented system just for the mentioned benefit. Pedestrians not used to the crossing will wonder where their crossing light is and won't feel extra relaxed at all. Seems to me to be tinkering with a system just to be tinkering with the system. No doubt some very knowledgeable people have thought long and hard on this but forcing people to make the assumption that you can trust the system to keep you safe seems the wrong way to go in traffic whenever it isn't needed.
I don't think it is dangerous, but I personally wouldn't feel more relaxed crossing there. I would feel pressured to move along, the light might turn red any moment.
@@Cl0ckcl0ck I don't think pedestrians will wonder where the crossing light are as they are placed at eyeheight where they wait for crossing the street. Now that thatI have seen this I am actually wondering why this has not been done before all over the world because it can be hard in certain lights or if you are nearsighted to see the lights on the other side of the road, especialy if it is wide road.
@@Cl0ckcl0ck
I agree, and this should be monitored closely. When it is unclear, it should be done the traditional way. On the other hand, change has to start somewhere or we would still be using Roman roads.
In the UK, they sometimes have these z-shaped pedestrian crossings where you first cross the lane with traffic going into one direction and then, via a long-stretched "island", cross the traffic going into the opposite direction. This island requires you to to move a few steps into the direction from where the traffic is coming so you can see if there is any traffic. So it's a very intuitive way to make sure that you actually check for any traffic before crossing the road. Sometimes, they also have near side pedestrian lights which makes sense as you immediately see them when walking on this island (it's called "puffin crossing".) I've always liked these crossings and wonder why they are not used more often.
That sounds like a very smart design.
I have seen a design like that in The Netherlands too. In the city of Nijmegen very recently at the Hatertseweg near a supermarket.
@@bramvanduijn8086 Yes, it indeed is quite clever. Though, I think one disadvantage is that these types of crossings can't double as a crossing for cyclists because of the sharp turn angle. Regular pedestrian crossings can simply be equipped with a dedicated crossing area for cyclists.
People-first design.
Wrong. Only one type of people first, everybody who doesn't fit that picture (namely most commuters who actually run the city) second.
@@fredpuntdroad8701 Wrong. This type of infrastructure is much better for driivers too.
@@therealdutchidiot
How is it better to not have mobility, lose out on jobs, lose time, not have the option of having heavy goods delivered, not have the option to even move house without begging and paying for a special permit?
@@fredpuntdroad8701 You just made my point. The fact you believe cars give mobility is just silly.
@@therealdutchidiot
I've seen some anti-mobility indoctrination, but the claim that a car won't get you from point A to point B is new, even to that low low standard.
By all means explain: How did I get from home to work and back yesterday, of cars don't provide mobility?
I live there and trust me. It was better before. Its a busy road and they made it so it goes from multiple lanes to only one lane.. which causes jams and accidents. People dont understand it and they all want to be the first one to go. Its a big hassle thats a waste of money.
Isn't the problem here just people not understanding how to drive?
I already saw a near miss at the beginning of the video. Two way bicycle lane , someone overtaking..... and left turning bicycle..... :-(
That only looks like it. Perspective due to zoom lens. There is no danger there at all.
that is normal in our country
Laat fietsen dan ook wegenbelasting betalen
Dat deden we vroeger ook, de Duitse bezetter heeft dat afgeschaft.
Investeringen in fietsinfrastructuur heeft een positief financieel effect voor de samenleving. De fietsers zouden betaald moeten worden i.p.v. belasting betalen!
Prima, voor het pad dat 1/5e zo breed is, 1/10 zo dik, en 5 keer minder onderhoud nodig heeft... betaalt de fietser dus 0.8% van een voertuig. En dan hebben we de gezondheidskosten door luiheid en luchtvervuiling nog niet meegeteld.
0:22 reckless overtaking by the woman in red and a near miss of the left turning cyclist.
You underestimate the capability of our cyclists.
At 0:23 you can see the left turning cyclist signal her intentions. No way the Woman in Red missed that signal.
She just calculated where the left turning cyclist would be in 1500 milliseconds, and planned her course accordingly.
How do you think the Woman in Red managed to get to the age she has ? Because she is proficient in cycling.
I agree with you, this move takes a skilled cyclist.
Not to dutch standards. Well explained by FD2's comment. Please not that the woman in red holds a pedal stroke for over a second . So she is fully aware This is common cycling in dutch cities. I started cycling at 4 on a trycycle ; at 6 on an small bike and was allowed to cycle throughout the city of The Hague at 12 y.o without any parental guidance. Never encountered any accident in over 50 y of cycling.
Thanks guys for explaining that this was a normal maneuver in the Netherlands. If I ever cycle there, I will stay to the right at all times ;-)
@@MartyInTheWoods
Yes, 'stay to the right' is much more adhered to in Europe than elsewhere.
Don't know if you've seen 'Busiest cycle path in the Netherlands' already.
ruclips.net/video/2RQrKP9a0XE/видео.html
@@xFD2x Thanks, great link!
Those people spended some millions and I'm here sitting and wondering what is the difference. Why was this needed? I think the mayor didn't had anything to do in the office :D
This is one of the most if not the most important road into the city, and they wanted it to more effecient and safer for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. they also wanted to discourage some drivers to use the highway around the city instead of this road.
FROM VERY GOOD TO EXCELLENT!!! - see you when I have got a few grand...