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Done! Can you do a starting moves guide for Dithmarschen into Prussia into Germany run? I keep trying but all of the free cities in the area make it really hard.
@@melbifk You just have to name your ruler right. If you call him Habsburg, he will be part of the Habsburg dynasty. Though you have to watch out for the exact spelling.
Honestly, I find most of those nations kinda weak. For the Rekindling the Flame achievement my nation had 10 discipline, 10 morale, 20 dammage from back row and +1 Artillery fire, while having trade efficiency, trade steering and good produced modifier as well as dec cost (while having a 6/6/6). The tric is to use the dirt cheap advisor cost reductions on your traditions, which also mean you will be able to rush tech 4 before everyone else. An other very OP thing that none of those nation use is the Marathas estate, make your culture Dravidian with Indian tech and you can get an extra 10 infantry combat and 5 dev cost in 1 reform and later +1 leader shock and ''potentially'' 10 discipline with an other (realistically it will be 7 or 8) and since you made a canon nation and canons are the same for everyone, you just melt everything else.
I went back to my save to see exactly what my Rekindle the Flame nation had. Traditions: 20% advisor cost reduction and 20% reduced cost of advisors with ruler's culture, Ideas: 1: 10% morale 2: 10% goods produced 3: 10% dev cost reduction 4: 10% trade steering 5: 10 trade efficiency 6: +1 Artillery fire 7: 20% artillery damage from back row, Ambition: 10% discipline. The ruler was a 6/6/6 with well conected and I do not remember the rest, I had to delete my game and my saved CN are gone, the heir was 0 years old with all 0 and the consort 40 years old with all 0. The military ideas, except morale are quite far down, but that is fine because you will out tech everyone else with those advisors and use that tech advantage to smash all opposition. Once you get your canons post tech 10, there is nothing that can stop you anymore, early canons might be weak, but yours are not and you should have the economy to support them, because of trade, production bonus as well as all those sexy monarch power points you generated with dirt cheap advisors. By 1550 I had 131% discipline as well. I could likely bring it up to a permanent 138% without events or strict ruler before 1600, this is with Zoroastrianism as your state religion, so bring that up by 5 if Orthodox, with more dev as well, but similar $$$ because of Zoro trade eff.
Not sure many people know this, but you set custom nations to very easy in the setup settings. This gives you 800 points and they are still Iron Man compatible! 🤯
I'm surprised you didn't have a pure cav orthodox custom nation in the steppes (where you have infantry to calvary ratio in your idea set) and of course you get the cossacks estate so you don't even need infantry. Also quick tip for anyone doing custom nations if you start with the same last name or dynasty as another Christian country already present in the game (with all of the same accents) you can immediately get PU's.
19:05, exactly, The legitimate successor to Rome, the Byzantines, Followed it - but the true religion is of course, Hellenic. Bring Back the Roman Pantheon.
you can get some more land if you set your all your dynasty to 0/0/0 , give them -2 pts traits set your rank to the lowest and then release the nations and play as the nation you release. i do this to get release and play with portugal (with capital in arguin, gives access to 2 provinces in brasil in 1444) or scotland and get their mission trees, and so much more land in 1444 And if you , for example set your capital in cape verde and colonise brasil with pts, or you set your capital in tidore and colonise australia you can grant them all the provinces you want and then play as a colonial nation in 1444. because the game gives you automatically a colony
I would like if atlantis was actually atlantis, like, it was an empire, not a republic, and it is phisically impossible that it would be orthodox or any christian religion.
Yo Ludi, just wondering, your Nicomedia one under number 3... Would that allow you to get the Byz -> Roman Empire achievement? Could be an ez way to do it
if you made you japanese primary culture saigoku and only took togoku provinces then you only need to convert kyushu to get one culture japan i used the same trick to turn every english province to flemish for a really big netherlands
@@LudietHistoria I didn't know: custom nations can't get the ideas from the new formed nation, so I made another one: used the lands of Aztec and made a Norse Western tech nation, that is a lot easier, with all the gold mines. Still an awful lot of colonizing.
Does anybody know an up to date mod that adds new emblem, background and color choices to the flag editor? (there used to be Nation Designer Unlimited which is inactive since October 2018)
For your norse nation i woulda just picked Settle siberian frontiers as a national idea. You dont need colonists, global settler increase and you'll be literally multiplying your colonys for 0 costs. You can settle all north America before europe even lands there
Siberian frontier is above the custom nation point limit. These custom nations were made with 200 points, Siberian frontier costs more than that alone...
Do you want overpowered? I learned a long time ago that if you fully annex a country when you create your custom nation, you gain their vassals. Play as a big Chinese country and annex the shogun in Japan and you basically start off as a beefcake with loads of daimyos. I am assuming this is still the case I don’t think they’ve changed it, but I also have a tried it in a while.
Another thing but this time I’m actually not sure if it works anymore, I believe you can start off with reformed and protestant religion if you save the custom nation with said religion. I used to do it with mods that unlocked the custom nation creator but you could also probably just edit the file so it has Protestant by default.
I made Valhalla and I'm having a great time, but I don't think I'm going to get the both continents achievement before 1821. You said you got most of North America before the Europeans arrived. How did you do that? I couldn't fabricate claims on provinces that didn't neighbor me. Did you take expansion or religious ideas first?
I took expansion and exploration. I colonized super fast cause of that and i ha da bordering province to central america so could eat all of that fast. Am still doing the campaign on twitch so check me out there. Probably tomorrow or day after will continue that one, right now trying to finish my hisn kayfa campaign
Ludi, you mad scientist you! Thanks for showing how eu4 can never get boring! An idea that might be interesting is to take inputs from viewers that you then create a custom nation using them, sorta 'what's your assumption' for yt vids. For ex. Ibadi, roman, in middle of NA, etc. EU4 is really so much more with custom nation abilities.
I wish that was true Coba. I got 700 subs in 1 day a few days ago but on average I get around 100 subs per day, with today getting 87. So likely mid summer 50k xD
Why play with 200 when you can go up to 800? Apart for the acheivement compatible ones Confort tip: consort 40 years so they die more quickly than your ruler
I think you should post once in a week if its some top 10 or guide because if you try to upload a vid for everyday you would be running out of content fast
I don’t get it. If ur playing custom nation in Japan, why wouldn’t you just play an OPM daimyo? You can ideas that are so OP that it’s not at all hard to crush any opposition, and it’s not that much harder to unify Japan. Plus, the fun of playing as a daimyo is the sengoku wars.
The nation flags and names are pretty cool but you literally gave them all like the same ideas. It would be cool to see if you could come up with unique combinations of national ideas that weren't all just morale, discipline, idea cost, and trade bonuses. You can be so much more creative than this. Stuff like massive advisor cost reduction or interest per annum or fire damage and shock damage received or even a hetmanate cavalry combat ability nation. If you want to gain more subscribers you need to make more original content.
THX, enjoyed the video and experimenting with customisation atm. One strange thing though: My Valhalla type nation can just declare war on and grab the colonial nations that eventually are formed in Americas AND THEIR WESTERN OWNERS DON'T GIVE A DAMN! Why don't they defend their colonies?
Wrong wrong wrong, everyone knows Atlantis was actually what we now call Antarctica, it got moved to the south pole and froze over when the lizard men who inhabited it started messing around with time travel.
Why would you ever go for western tech? It's literally the worst one until like the very last 2 mil techs. Pick indian, muslim or anatolian instead. Even eastern is much better.
@@LudietHistoria I mean sure but late game you should already be powerful enough for western tech not to matter much. And in multiplayer especially western gets crushed all the way through early to mid-late which will make you substantially weaker also in late game.
When I make custom nations, I make them mid-sized but balanced. I hate being overpowered in seconds. It kills all the fun of culture and religion converting my entire empire to the same culture/religion.
What if you started with crazy strong ideas and traditions but only one province in a place they don't belong like, I dunno a Germanic tribe that migrated near the Caspian Sea or something lol
All of them wrong answers. The best traditions to have as a custom nation in Europe or the Middle East is Possible Condottieri and Available Mercenaries, allowing you to rent out stacks of 40 and taking turns selling them to France, Ottomans, Mamluks, Russia, Castile, Netherlands etc. I've had 8000 ducats by 1500 this way.
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Done! Can you do a starting moves guide for Dithmarschen into Prussia into Germany run? I keep trying but all of the free cities in the area make it really hard.
atlantis is my city
What are you doing in a place like this my fav hoi exploiter ?
Should have named it Feedbackland
Even if you're not into custom nations, the names of rulers make this video as interesting as any other. +1 for the memes
appreciate it Guibou ^^
Shinto north africa goes brrrrrr
best africa shinto africa xD
@@LudietHistoria I mean, with province names like Manga and "Futa" Jallon, is that not obvious?
shift+right click on shield in menu and custom nation goes brrrrr
got a link to that brrrr mode?
@@danielbernhardt3753 check out icepyre’s videos
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Surely that's been patched? Paradox is usually right on top of fixing bugs that work in the player's favor.
@@chriswhinery925 still works for me
You can choose your ruler's dynasty for free btw
How?
@@melbifk You just have to name your ruler right. If you call him Habsburg, he will be part of the Habsburg dynasty. Though you have to watch out for the exact spelling.
@@horstschlemmer9578 i thought AI would treat them as different dynasties
Habsburg Wc Ez
Make sure you put von Habsburg
Honestly, I find most of those nations kinda weak. For the Rekindling the Flame achievement my nation had 10 discipline, 10 morale, 20 dammage from back row and +1 Artillery fire, while having trade efficiency, trade steering and good produced modifier as well as dec cost (while having a 6/6/6). The tric is to use the dirt cheap advisor cost reductions on your traditions, which also mean you will be able to rush tech 4 before everyone else. An other very OP thing that none of those nation use is the Marathas estate, make your culture Dravidian with Indian tech and you can get an extra 10 infantry combat and 5 dev cost in 1 reform and later +1 leader shock and ''potentially'' 10 discipline with an other (realistically it will be 7 or 8) and since you made a canon nation and canons are the same for everyone, you just melt everything else.
I went back to my save to see exactly what my Rekindle the Flame nation had. Traditions: 20% advisor cost reduction and 20% reduced cost of advisors with ruler's culture, Ideas: 1: 10% morale 2: 10% goods produced 3: 10% dev cost reduction 4: 10% trade steering 5: 10 trade efficiency 6: +1 Artillery fire 7: 20% artillery damage from back row, Ambition: 10% discipline. The ruler was a 6/6/6 with well conected and I do not remember the rest, I had to delete my game and my saved CN are gone, the heir was 0 years old with all 0 and the consort 40 years old with all 0. The military ideas, except morale are quite far down, but that is fine because you will out tech everyone else with those advisors and use that tech advantage to smash all opposition. Once you get your canons post tech 10, there is nothing that can stop you anymore, early canons might be weak, but yours are not and you should have the economy to support them, because of trade, production bonus as well as all those sexy monarch power points you generated with dirt cheap advisors. By 1550 I had 131% discipline as well. I could likely bring it up to a permanent 138% without events or strict ruler before 1600, this is with Zoroastrianism as your state religion, so bring that up by 5 if Orthodox, with more dev as well, but similar $$$ because of Zoro trade eff.
He restricted himself to using only 200 points, so that's why they're relatively weak
@@akshittripathi5403 The achievement require 200 points max. So my nation was 200.
I did a Wakanda playthrough and wanted to next try a Richat Atlantis playthrough, thanks for the tips for the setup :)
I was hoping someone else would notice that. The Richat Structure is amazing, I'm glad Ludi made a reference to it.
I love you all my fellow ancient history nerds.
Not sure many people know this, but you set custom nations to very easy in the setup settings. This gives you 800 points and they are still Iron Man compatible! 🤯
Make part 2, this is so fun
Will do
@@LudietHistoria yay
@@LudietHistoria yay
I'm surprised you didn't have a pure cav orthodox custom nation in the steppes (where you have infantry to calvary ratio in your idea set) and of course you get the cossacks estate so you don't even need infantry. Also quick tip for anyone doing custom nations if you start with the same last name or dynasty as another Christian country already present in the game (with all of the same accents) you can immediately get PU's.
would really like more ways to add flavor to custom nations like fantastical events or random new world tags to form
Yeah that would be a great addition to the game
"Orthodoxy was the real Roman religion" my man!
my roman!
19:05, exactly, The legitimate successor to Rome, the Byzantines, Followed it - but the true religion is of course, Hellenic. Bring Back the Roman Pantheon.
@Jarodd 2 Unless you use Extended Timeline mod, in which case it is in the game! Hooray!
Please please do the beginner nations top 10 I cant even choose any nation besides the ottomans because I'm afraid of dying horribly if I do xD
Coming in 2 days !
,,Global settler incLrease'' 11:15 Ludi is so excited about Valhalla that he forgot how to English xD
Was hoping no one would notice xD
Loved this vid! Thanks for the content dude
Thank you for watching Alex!
Who else liks the video before Ludi calls out the next Likegoal? :D
I do xD
I like it at the start the start watching Lol
for sure ! and the "Ave legion" is pronounced simultaneously
I can recommend playing either Imperium Romanum or Carthage, but play a game with both of them and take down the rival
Isn't there a Hellenic religion you can pick for Rome?
no
you can get some more land if you set your all your dynasty to 0/0/0 , give them -2 pts traits set your rank to the lowest
and then release the nations and play as the nation you release.
i do this to get release and play with portugal (with capital in arguin, gives access to 2 provinces in brasil in 1444) or scotland and get their mission trees, and so much more land in 1444
And if you , for example set your capital in cape verde and colonise brasil with pts, or you set your capital in tidore and colonise australia you can grant them all the provinces you want and then play as a colonial nation in 1444. because the game gives you automatically a colony
I'm slightly disappointed that he didn't named his king Biggus Dickus in the Roman empire
That would have been a great reference to monthy python xD
I would like if atlantis was actually atlantis, like, it was an empire, not a republic, and it is phisically impossible that it would be orthodox or any christian religion.
If you drop Valhalla to one province, you can also go for Ideas Guy. 3 achievements in one game that way.
Very true, and it wouldn't be a massive difference in starting situation tbh
Please do CK3 top 10s too
Please do top 10 multiplayer duo nation
Yea it would ve so cool
>Norse Wakanda
Thor approves
Yo Ludi, just wondering, your Nicomedia one under number 3... Would that allow you to get the Byz -> Roman Empire achievement? Could be an ez way to do it
It doesnt, you have to start as Byz for that
I used this as inspiration and made a dutch custom nation, and I formed the Netherlands and got a bunch of colonies from it.
if you made you japanese primary culture saigoku and only took togoku provinces then you only need to convert kyushu to get one culture japan
i used the same trick to turn every english province to flemish for a really big netherlands
Prussian culture doesn't seem to be an option in my game. Saxon or Germanic, nothing in lost Cultures...so how do I get Prussian?
Ah, I tried your Walhalla just now, and could switch to Texas and the achievements are still valid. This will be a walk in the park.
Yup, have fun man!
@@LudietHistoria I didn't know: custom nations can't get the ideas from the new formed nation, so I made another one: used the lands of Aztec and made a Norse Western tech nation, that is a lot easier, with all the gold mines. Still an awful lot of colonizing.
Yaay. My idea got video
nice, this inspired me
Does anybody know an up to date mod that adds new emblem, background and color choices to the flag editor? (there used to be Nation Designer Unlimited which is inactive since October 2018)
Petition to change the CN limit to 420....
If you make a Custom nation in the New World, give it Manchu or Jurchen culture. It will give you banners.
Yeah that's a good point! Banners are OP
@@LudietHistoria Chinese Shinto USA goes brrr.
I'm so glad that these nations are not supposed to be historically accurate. My professors would have a heart attack if they were supposed to be haha.
Could you do some nation guides from the Ante Bellum mod?
For your norse nation i woulda just picked Settle siberian frontiers as a national idea. You dont need colonists, global settler increase and you'll be literally multiplying your colonys for 0 costs. You can settle all north America before europe even lands there
Siberian frontier is above the custom nation point limit. These custom nations were made with 200 points, Siberian frontier costs more than that alone...
Ah yeah you're right at a 200pt custom nation. My bad.
I love these thumbnails ♥️♥️♥️ great video again Ludi!!!
Do you plan on hoi4 content soon?
Started playing it again
Thanks Arne! Yeah will cover some Hoi4 soon also!
Do you want overpowered? I learned a long time ago that if you fully annex a country when you create your custom nation, you gain their vassals. Play as a big Chinese country and annex the shogun in Japan and you basically start off as a beefcake with loads of daimyos.
I am assuming this is still the case I don’t think they’ve changed it, but I also have a tried it in a while.
Another thing but this time I’m actually not sure if it works anymore, I believe you can start off with reformed and protestant religion if you save the custom nation with said religion. I used to do it with mods that unlocked the custom nation creator but you could also probably just edit the file so it has Protestant by default.
I made Valhalla and I'm having a great time, but I don't think I'm going to get the both continents achievement before 1821. You said you got most of North America before the Europeans arrived. How did you do that? I couldn't fabricate claims on provinces that didn't neighbor me. Did you take expansion or religious ideas first?
I took expansion and exploration. I colonized super fast cause of that and i ha da bordering province to central america so could eat all of that fast. Am still doing the campaign on twitch so check me out there. Probably tomorrow or day after will continue that one, right now trying to finish my hisn kayfa campaign
@@LudietHistoria Thanks
Step 1: Create a custom nation with siberian frontiers tradition in the new world.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Profit
These are 200 points custom nations though, so siberian frontier off the table since it costs more than 200 points alone
@@LudietHistoria I know, but it is in general a totally op mechanic in some regions.
@@Gelthon oh yeah, fully agree
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
Carthago pirata est? xD
Oh i thought it was going to be that special nations that spawn in random new world.
ahhhh, I like that idea, will make a video on it too!
Some say the Eye of the Sahara was referenced with Atlantis.
Irish Minor guide (Munster) please
what's the point of custom nation if it's not strong.?
no custom nations in India/China/SE Asia?
Will have some in the next CN video!
Have you proposed any 800 point custom nations in another video?
Will make one soon
Ludi, you mad scientist you! Thanks for showing how eu4 can never get boring! An idea that might be interesting is to take inputs from viewers that you then create a custom nation using them, sorta 'what's your assumption' for yt vids. For ex. Ibadi, roman, in middle of NA, etc. EU4 is really so much more with custom nation abilities.
Can we get a pomerania guide
Wouldn't high American be better than western for the America nations?
It would be, but it costs 75 points more, so impossible for a 200 points custom nation!
@@LudietHistoria but using western costs 75 points too in America
every day I see you get +1k subs, ludi et ironside in 18 days?
I wish that was true Coba. I got 700 subs in 1 day a few days ago but on average I get around 100 subs per day, with today getting 87. So likely mid summer 50k xD
Valhalla with one l... my eyes are burning :,(
but good video, I like the position tips and strats.
Yeah it should be Valhalla with one i. In honor of Odin, of course.
@@nerdorama009 Its an L not an I
I did it to trigger mainly xD
@@LudietHistoria Yes, it's still not out of my mind :/ xD
Tengrist Celtics...
Lets do it!
Why play with 200 when you can go up to 800? Apart for the acheivement compatible ones
Confort tip: consort 40 years so they die more quickly than your ruler
Because 800 is simply not fun
Make one about multiplayer cn, this 10 are not viable in multiplayer
Yeah MP is very different, but sure can make an MP version!
Do a guide for For Odin! From Humble Origins and Ideas Guy!
coming tonight this guide Nicolas! At least the For odin one, the ideas guy and humble origins in the future
I think you should post once in a week if its some top 10 or guide because if you try to upload a vid for everyday you would be running out of content fast
You are right, will try to mix up my content more
Not even the Advisor Cost meta?
i did valhalla but in china, and i even have a back story for it
Still waitin for the promised songhai video
Wheres the pirate nation video?
I don’t get it. If ur playing custom nation in Japan, why wouldn’t you just play an OPM daimyo? You can ideas that are so OP that it’s not at all hard to crush any opposition, and it’s not that much harder to unify Japan. Plus, the fun of playing as a daimyo is the sengoku wars.
The nation flags and names are pretty cool but you literally gave them all like the same ideas. It would be cool to see if you could come up with unique combinations of national ideas that weren't all just morale, discipline, idea cost, and trade bonuses. You can be so much more creative than this. Stuff like massive advisor cost reduction or interest per annum or fire damage and shock damage received or even a hetmanate cavalry combat ability nation. If you want to gain more subscribers you need to make more original content.
*The pope wants to know your location*
Wakanda Forever
Im starting to being angry that you csll your conpurmter "horrible" but its probky 10x better thsn mine
Where is pharaon pagan egypt
Can I make custom formables?
sadly no :(
THX, enjoyed the video and experimenting with customisation atm. One strange thing though: My Valhalla type nation can just declare war on and grab the colonial nations that eventually are formed in Americas AND THEIR WESTERN OWNERS DON'T GIVE A DAMN! Why don't they defend their colonies?
guys I think Ludi might be a romaboo
Everybody knows Atlantis was in the Canaries
Wrong wrong wrong, everyone knows Atlantis was actually what we now call Antarctica, it got moved to the south pole and froze over when the lizard men who inhabited it started messing around with time travel.
Need a guide for Albania or Iberia
Why would you ever go for western tech? It's literally the worst one until like the very last 2 mil techs. Pick indian, muslim or anatolian instead. Even eastern is much better.
Mid to late game western is best sir! And I play until late game ^^
@@LudietHistoria I mean sure but late game you should already be powerful enough for western tech not to matter much.
And in multiplayer especially western gets crushed all the way through early to mid-late which will make you substantially weaker also in late game.
Horse Vakanda
Carthage is a pirate Republic!!!
THANKS FOR THIS AAAASHFKAJA
Damn huge butua
Jk
You can also download a mod where you get unlimited nation created points and just own the entire world by 1444
sounds like a lot of fun
Why would you wanna do that?
If I wanted a power fantasy I'd play Total War
Does it still work? Does the author still update it? Might have to check it out
stonks
very stonks
I want 800 point please 🙏😁
Sure thing, will add it to my list!
@@LudietHistoria Thanks Ludii 🙏
When I make custom nations, I make them mid-sized but balanced. I hate being overpowered in seconds. It kills all the fun of culture and religion converting my entire empire to the same culture/religion.
What if you started with crazy strong ideas and traditions but only one province in a place they don't belong like, I dunno a Germanic tribe that migrated near the Caspian Sea or something lol
I really dont understand custom nations and ironman
Achievements designed specifically for custom nations. Ideas Guy for example allows you 800 points but requires 1-1-1 OPM start...
You are insaane bro multumesc
Thanks so much lorenz ^_^
NANIA
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Nani naniii dame yooo
Deutschland ❤👍
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The slaviest of slavs
You are a novel, np. A zero point over powered custom nation is easy. Best of luck
huh? xD
All of them wrong answers. The best traditions to have as a custom nation in Europe or the Middle East is Possible Condottieri and Available Mercenaries, allowing you to rent out stacks of 40 and taking turns selling them to France, Ottomans, Mamluks, Russia, Castile, Netherlands etc. I've had 8000 ducats by 1500 this way.