Ilia Topuria wants Max Holloway ONLY if ‘BMF’ title’s on the line…
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Chael Sonnen talks Ilia Topuria vs Max Holloway on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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Only fighting if the BMF title is available is about the least BMF thing you could do
This guy gets it
Well it also makes sense to do a winner takes all type of fight
@@Max-pz3wl no it doesnt at all. BMF has nothing to do with rankings. Its for the 2 BMF’s to fight.. hence this time it was 2 people literally from different divisions
@@Nick-dd8lv It's just a gimmick is what it is. A fun gimmick but a gimmick nonetheless.
The problem is the fans don't recognize him as a BMF. Where are the wars with legends? Where's the anyone, anytime, anywhere attitude? The years of always bringing it in big moments. Like if you agree.
Exactly. Hes an amazing fighter, maybe better than Max who knows but hes not a BMF. not yet
Its select fighters that fans have enjoyed wars watching.
He is basically new in the UFC, but has almost the same finishes than Max so I think if Max wants the championship belt he also has to take some risk and put the bmf belt on the line
Wonderboy says max is the other NMF in the sport besides him, he calls max a nice guy. A BMF shouldn't be a nice guy, it's the baddest guy and topuria is doing a great job in his villain era right now
Yes Max isnt a BMF but he won the belt. I dont think fans have too much hate on him for it
@@GrowingDownUnderyes BMF needs some edge. I think a rule for BMF belt should be it can only be transferred by KO or TKO. If you win by decision the belt stays. Will keep all BMF fights exciting and true to what it means
Giving the champ a “BMF” title shot kind of defeats the purpose of the extra belt
Considering it was contested at 155lbs thats a way to keep them separate, bit of a dumb option, but i see your point of the FW champ also holding the BMF belt if he wins at his own weight class, its not like he fights boring, but its not its purpose.
Naw. If the champ is a badass and not a point fighter. Why not?
@@402Racing no, bmf started at 170 between diaz and masvidal. Then they made a 155 bmf so why not a 145 bmf?
@@BakariFisheri think they mean after this it would just be a normal belt. Because a champ would have it
@@billcahill2110 it's a belt for the baddest mfer or toughest or most gangsta gangster or whatever. If the current champ is a bad mfer. Don't point fight or lay and pray. Why not? El matador bang it out with everyone and more than likely ko most. He embodies the bmf. It is what it is
Only featherweights can fight for the featherweight belt, and only BMF's can fight for the BMF belt. Topuria cannot make "weight" for the latter.
Bmf isn’t a weight
The BMF is about fan-favourite scrappers going at it. Nobody wants to see Ilia fight for it, let alone hear him calling himself the BMF 🤮
He beat your daddy volk thats why your mad
Topuria finish him all in ko or submission = bmf
Topuria just smoked Volk, that seems pretty badass.
@@billyin4c514he's definitely a badass, but he's also a bellend and nowhere near the kind of popularity level of the other BMF contenders/ winners
@@billyin4c514 Islam ruined Volk. Topuria just finished him off.
I’d rather see Holloway fight Olivera as Olivera is much more deserving of a bmf title shot than the Spaniard
As if anybody cares about some bs irrelevant BMF.🤣
I agree. Charles is deserving
Charles just lost, Max coming off a win vs the number one contender. Makes no sense to fight Oliveira. When you're coming off a huge win you dont fight a guy that just lost. Unspoken rule.
@@MM-qm9ld gaethje was #1 contender?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice joke 👏
@@LegendJoe3063 did you not watch max vs Justin? That bmf belt just gave us one of the best moments in ufc history.
Ilia is so far away from being a BMF it’s hilarious he’s even trying.
Chill blud BMF is not a REAL BELT it has literally no meaning ppl would rather be #2 contender than hold that useless scrap of metal Secondly so far only irrelevant fighters who are on or hv reached the end of their career hav hold the belt MASVIDAL GARTHJE AND NOW MAX .
ILIA absolutely destroys MAX in every department BOXING WRESTLING CARDIO AND GRANITE CHIN. MAX WILL NEVER BE 145 CHAMP AGAIN NEITHER 155 DONT EVEN TALK ABOUT 170 AND THATS THE TRUTH.
It got max the 300,000 bonus and fight of the night another pay bonus 😅safe to say it’s a legit belt
@@ronnierebel6388 Agreed. It's legitimacy is being measured in who wants it, what it means, how much value is placed on holding it. LIke Chael said it's being measured by the UfC in dollars.
@@LegendJoe3063calm down
@@LegendJoe3063It has as much meaning as the world title.
There's a problem with each guy putting up his belt. The winner takes both, and both will be on the line the next time he fights. That means they meld together, and the BMF belt becomes an afterthought. Sure, you can always separate them out in different fights---one fight, it's for the weight class title, another time, it's for the BMF title. But (1) if you get beaten for either one, the winner claims that in essence he won the other belt too. And (2) separating out BMF/weight class title slows everything down. Title fights are half as frequent as they were before. UFC needs to think about this.
Please don't give topouria any sniff of the BMF . He ain't no BMFer !!!! 😂😂😂 With his petty demands to a guy who says any weight any time any where . Dude sounds like Golum with his precious
Exactly! Nate Diaz, Jorge Masvidal, Dustin Porrier, Justin Gaethje and Max Holloway are ALL true BMF guys. Illia Tupperware is a girly man who started talking about how many people he WON'T fight as soon as he got the belt. Illia Tupperware said the only person that "deserves it" in his mind is Conor?!?! That was proof that he should never be in a fight for anything that even mentions the BMF belt. He should be stripped of the belt if he doesn't start acting like a man, much less the champion, and agree to fight someone.
Agree the BMF belt is peer driven. There is NO WAY his peers think Topuria deserves a shot so early in his career.
the BMF belt is not for everybody ....that's the idea of that belt.... if they give Ilia the chance to fight for that belt right now..... is gonna lose respect.
Exactly! Even the guys that lost like Nate Diaz, Dustin Porrier and now Justin Gaethje are still considered BMFs. That's the whole point of that belt and that fight - No matter who wins or who loses the fight it's going to be a banger and even the loser is respected.
We all know what BMF stands for. As I understand it, Ilia is already stating that he wont fight certain people. Not exactly BMF material. He needs to take a high stakes fight on short notice, or be involved in a real barn burner, before he gets a shot at the BMF belt. We're talking about differebt qualifying metrics.
Illia is delusional if he thinks he should get a shot at the BMF belt or if he thinks he has this much say in wether he fights max or not before he’s defended the featherweight belt once even…hate to say it but max has all the power right now and Illia has none…
Im high as hell turning my bluetoooth on and off thinking thats why i have no sound
Got damn son!!!!!
In my eyes not everyone is eligible to even win BMF
its more than just who wins fights. Its only certain fighters
The true criteria for the BMF title fight:
Even if you LOSE the fight (Nate Diaz, Dustin Porrier and now Justin Gaethje) you are STILL considered a BMF. You are correct, Illia Tupperware is the exact opposite of what a BMF is.
No audio??
Love ilia’s style, but all he has said is he doesn’t think anyone deserves a shot at ‘his’ title and he won’t fight this guy, or that guy. He hasn’t reached that level yet. Dana needs to make him defend the title or strip him. Him and max is the fight to make, but idk if max can just drop 10 lbs of muscle that he put on the right way. It’s a big ask. Topuria is just not a BMF yet.
Mark my and uncle Chael’s words when we say that Max “Jerome” Holloway beats Ilia Toupira with ease! 💯
Did you just use Jerome’s first name as a nickname?
Ilia beats max. He edges out the decision with wrestling, and if not, he’s the first to take max’s chin
Max beats Ilia ass with ease!!! Title for title!!!
@@sentientdogma1206 He isn’t the hardest hitter max has fought.
@@justinreaser8268bro, Holloway is a god in the UFC but Topuria understands that road ends when a hungry lion puts down the elder. Topuria WILL sleep Holloway, Volk, and Sterling
No sounds ?
Ur audio is defeated and disputed
@@mikeh024lmaooo
if you, chael, understand the bmf's value comes from it being rare.. why should it be defended or put-up in Max's next fight? there's no requirement for it to have a lineage. it's for Dana to throw in when he needs it to reward the brave and agressive who maybe haven't got and held the belt as much as the fans want them to.
I heard the Audio perfectly fine
The BMF title should be up for grabs once a year on International fight week. Whoever wins it gets the right to be known as the BMF for the next year and earn a large monetary bonus kinda like how Max got for winning the title and then the following year the belt goes up for grabs but in a different division with different fighters in order to keep it circulating.
The UFC pays PPV points for the BMF fight, just like the champions get for defending their belt. It is a cool way to spread some big money around and pay them PPV points even though they aren't title holders.
I didn't hear anything and I still learned something. Thanks Uncle Chael
Ilia and Chandler are both drinking the same delusion juice. Trippin
No audio uncle
I don't like this move from topuria. Its a good chess move but also just a blatant money grab. He just wants the ppv points associated with the belt. I would understand him wanting the BMF, but to make a title fight contingent on it... I disagree with. Especially since Max is a legend.
Legend doesn't mean everybody will suck your cock he became so called legend bc dana kept him in UFC i dont think u would hv cared any less if MAX was fighting in other organisations besides one BECOMES LEGENDS WITH TIME ILIA will also become legend with time its not like legend is arare thing so that bs legend argument of yours is pointless as F secondly BMF is the most meaningless belt in UFC holding BMF means you hv reached the end of your career i mean look at those who hv hold the belt previously MASVIDAL GAETHJE AND NOW MAX and LBH max isnt beating current 146 champ nor 155 champ hes too weak for 170 so he has reached the point where hes isnt relevant anywhere other than some HYPE FIGHTS.
IF MAX WANTS ILIA HE NEEDS TO BE RELEVANT BY PUTTING BMF ON THE LINE.
The BMF challengers have to prove they can both deliver an ass whooping and take one for years before they get w chance IMO. It’s not enough to be a dominant fighter or finisher. You gotta prove you can take ass whoopings as good as you give them.
Can't hear the video Uncle Chael.
Having the belt attached to a division champion is a problem meaning it’ll always be attached to a world title and not an individual thing, hence the ufc missing out on an extra selling point of another fight just don’t see it as the thing to do but wtf do I know
No sound...now that's One for the Bad Guy 😮
I think it'd be interesting if the bmf belt could only change hands by getting a finish. No lay'n'pray wrestling here.
Excellent talk. It's fun to consider how much respect is being given to a belt, this is one is for the boys!
So is he going up 2 155??? I think max would do better against him at 155?
100% he would
No audiooo
Audio is great
Haven’t watched the vid yet but if max is putting up the belt he should get the ppv points he’s the one bringing all the fans, I don’t even dislike Ilia my first ufc event was Jacksonville where he beat the brakes off of Josh
Topo hasn't been around long enough to fight for the BMF. Max is the no.1 contender anyway, Topo's belt should be up, but not the BMF, the BMF is about celebrating fighters who've been around and had ups and downs and comebacks and are fan favorits for their journey and their heart Topo just hasn't been there yet.
After getting destroyed by TOPO holding that irrelevant BMF belt only adds salt to the wound.😂😂
And thats why ilia said put the BMF on the line bc hes 💯% sure he would win i mean ILIA doesn't even need to throw hands just take max down and its goodnight lullaby. EZ😎
Bmf is a guy who is confident ,looks scary ,fights like a killer and acts like a g so i dont know how ilia doesnt deserves bmf belt
Facts
Ilia is not that guy bro. Bmf is a guy who fights when he doesn't have to. The belt is an afterthought, he would fight just for the hell of it. And when he fights would go all out to give the fans his best performance. All the previous bmfs had this trait. What you mentioned is just a mcgregor wannabe. Big difference.
The bmf should actually be the bmf...once a year, Open weight class, single elimination tourney with the champions from each weight division
i feel like a stipulation of the bmf belt should be that is someone challanges you for it you must accept or hand it over that would make it a real title
Whoever thinks that Topuria is afraid of MH is on crack…. Topuria mentality is on another level and has the skills and power to back it up… lights out for MH
weird how we just got done with people saying how Max was an idiot for agreeing to fight Justin, how this was career suicide for Max, how Justin was going to destroy Max's chin, Tony 2.0. Look how that aged 🤡 Ilia knocked out a guy who was knocked out and came back sooner than GUY WHO KNOCKED HIM OUT, and now people think hes got enough crazy power where he could be the one to KO Max
🤡
Illia is soft though
We will see soon enough.
Justin would absolutely destroy topuria if he went up to 155. Max is cut from a different breed bro.
If it wasn’t before, the data is there now!
Thank you sir. At least someone who clearly understands whats going on in this business, how it’s driven and visioned. Tired of reading to many blind fan based experts comments. Stoped reading them.
Ilias trash talk against mitchell was cold to watch against volk took biggest risk(to be laughed at ) as saying he will beat volk and changed his bio,also his fight against paddy outside of cage also his jai herbert fight.he is fucking g and walks like a g too.and not to tqlk about his fighting style,always goes for finish and is viciouse ,his debut was after covid on short notice against 3fighting winning streak guy and also he said in interview that while everyone is ready to be killed he is ready to kill .mentality of ilia is something special and i dont know any fighter other than jones who is as viciouse as he is.he really is bmf
I feel like id you have the BMF it should always be on the line…. Idk why you would have a BMF belt lose your next fight but still have the BMF Belt….. literally doesn’t make any sense. Also fights with 2 belts on the line are more fun.
The man started talking about Conor and going to 155 exactly 3 seconds after becoming champ. That's not very BMF like, i believe. might as well give it to Leon just for giggles.
BMF should not be lineal.That makes it just another belt. It should be permanent. You shouldn't be able to take it by beating a BMF title holder. This also allows the UFC to promote any fight at any weight class at any time a BMF title fight.
Max should fight Conner at 155 for the BMF belt if Conner beats chandler. If Conner loses to chandler then max should fight ilia for 145lb belt
Tuporia needs a few more fights to get a bmf match that's the die hard vets belt.
I like it. Winner takes both belts. Let Go!!!!! Make it happen Dana. Max goes back down to the weight division. If Max wins he gets the title and is still the BMF champ. If Turoria wins. Well then he is also the BMF champion. One of them hold both belts. That would be awesome.
Demanding a shot at the BMF belt kind of defeats the purpose of it. Ilia is a beast and has a chance to be one of the greatest but the guys talking like Max hasn’t done more than him at this point. Max was defending the belt multiple times at this stage of his career
I think BMF should be allowed to migrate but say Ilia wins, if it continues to descend the weight classes eventually the BMF belt is gunna be fought by guys that weigh 125 lbs, which is cool but when is it going to start climbing again if the current champ only wants equal or lower weight? We might need a BBMF belt (first b for big), can anyone at 205 make a statement?
Ilia told Volk he was gonna KO him for a long time… then he did it. now he’s acting like Ted Dibiase on the mic. Love it
No offence, but Max is the A-Side here... I don't even mind if we go Max vs Volk for the title...
I don't think BMF title should be passed around at every fight. Coz then it's just like boxing with some less important org's belt floating around with your own. It should be a totally separate thing you're not eligible for by default, even if you fight the BMF.
Ilia is trying not to lose his title! Haha....tell him BMF is at 155 and is being reserved for Max vs Connor if Connor gets past Chandler......AND after Max takes his title.
If he want to fight for the BMF then have him come up to 155 to fight max. Can’t call for a BMF title and make the title holder drop back down to 145. Max prove he can jump up to 155 and knock out the number 1 title contender in that division. IIia want that BMF label then step up in weight to do it too.
Fair for both belts to be on the line
Nah Ilia can't fight for no BMF belt yet. He might be champion, but he has yet to deserve the BMF belt.
@forevermarked5826 if he KOs Max, does he deserve it then?
@@bladethedarkman no🤣 it's not about knocking people out, max has taken 3000 strikes in his ufc career and techniquely never been knocked down, he's been in the ufc for 12 years with his first fight against Dustin, he's won belts, had wars, never wrestles and always gives the fans an entertaining fight.
Ilia is years away from that sort of legacy
Tito still taps silently
Based Topuria 😂
Ilia is a bad, bad man. He just needs to go prove it. One fight. Two belts on the line. Let’s go!
Ilia tempura is fried.
1 Topuria don't deserve a Shot at the BMF belt. Yes He is Champ & Undefeated. However he is not a Veteran, He Has Not had The Wars of BMFs , etc Maybe in a Few years if he's still at the top then Yeah.
2 it's 50/50 on the BMF Belt. Half see it as a Gimmick to make Blah Fights Seem More Important & The Other Half who think it's Epic & will only be Obtained by The Baddest who Will Stand in The Center & Leave It All Out There
Far be it from me to dictate who’s worthy of the BMF title- all these roster competitors are more badass than anyone on the planet- but I think if you really dug into it, there are only a select few guys and girls who actually embody the meaning of that belt.
topuria is bonifide badass at what he does, but he’s not a BMF who’ll meet you in the center stand and bang to see whos really worthy. I think that’s a pretty good litmus test for that belt. Max shouldn’t put that belt up for anyone who isn’t worthy
Max will probably just wait around for mcgregor for the BMF
As he should...Featherweight is out of style at the moment anyway. If Topuria wants the bmf, he should challenge Max at 155. That simply won't happen
Chael, I heard you say Max lose but what if Max wins. I would love to see Suga vs Max. They both like to stand up and fight. What you think?
I’m not an illia hater but he’s not worthy of the BMF belt (yet) he still has a ways to go in establishing himself as a fan favorite before he can win that belt . I hope max doesn’t put it up
Curious to see your interpretation to Max's reply.
Chael, I'm all for the window sheen but you know you haven't tried fum.
Ilia ain't no BMF, he won't defend it against all commers if he wins.
Didn’t even watch yet but I say no. He got to do do a little more to earn the BMF belt. Matter fact, if he KO Max, he can get the belt.
Ilia aint got it like that, you gotta earn that shit
Hear me out, would a bmf say “I’ll only fight this guy if he puts up this bmf belt” … no, no they wouldn’t they would say anywhere anytime any place any weight let’s go. If ilia gets the bag we’ll never see it defended
Max should defend that BMF title against the winner of McGregor vs Chandler.
I’m commenting that I luv that fattybeef guy “didn’t even watch came to say ilia doesn’t deserve it” 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣this man’s a king 🤴🏽
Leave it to uncle Chael to give us a 12 minute silent video! How are there comments of anything other than about the sound? You're a god damned hall of fame, get an editer or assistant!
Illia can't fight for BMF, he doesn't have enough behind him. Max, Justin, Nate, and Jorge are all legends in the game.
Who? Absolutely not. Fing barely known, thinks he deserves a shot at the belt. F that. Also new rule set for BMF should be no round limits. Fight to a finish.
Chael knocked the audio out into the shadow realm
BMF has different criteria than a normal ufc championship. Ilia hasn’t earned a shot yet but a guy like Bobby Green who is never going to challenge for a ufc title has earned a shot at bmf
I hear ya, Chael. However, has Ilia done enough to meet all those criteria to merit himself a BMF?
I'm gonna say not yet.
Ilia doesn’t meet the criteria
Bmf title should be a belt that transcends weight classes and should only be able to be challenged in the same weight class 2 consecutive times max if not one before fighting up or down a weight class and the new challenger has to of had their last 1 in that weight class and no wrestlers of bjj fightings
Way too many constraints.
TO Qualify foR BMF Belt You Need to lose more than 4 fights, To lose some UFC TITle Fights.....then if is like this, TOPURIA DO NOT QUALIFY, BECAUSE he is the CHAMPION and Undefeated. You can ask any UFC Fighter who are the scariest to fight in UFC, They will tell you "Alex Pereira and Ilia Topuria, TWO UFC CHAMPIONS Who are BMF, who just need one Punch To KO and send you to retirement".
Chael was always right about the BMF
Both belts needa be up for grabs 2 fighters 1 night someone is gunna walk away double champ THATS what we wanna see & Dana needs to start letting the fighters come out with there belt
Illia needs to shut his mouth when he's talking to Max!
Ilia is a champ max got 5-0 by volk shu yo mouth
Topuria is an unknown nobody, he’s lucky he even got to skip Max to get a title shot in the first place.
😂😂😂
Should be a vet belt as it is
Chael won’t believe how big MMA will grow After UFC MADRID at the Santiago Bernabeu win or lose
A true BMF doesn’t ask for a bmf fight or make demands around one. 🤦♂️
Yes to this
but then how will we separate the 145lb belt and the bmf ? i dont think its good... what if aljo beats the winner? is a wrestle fucker now the bmf?
BMF clause - To win it you must finish your opponent
We gotta get Chael better sponsors, ofc I skipped to 1:16, but vapes?? Don’t smoke vapes kids. & if ur an adult smoking vapes get off the pacifier. Do cool shit like smoking weed & cigarettes. Fuck it, have you ever snorted coke? Man, what a rush. There’s a reason the greats in this sport use it daily, Jon Jones, Conor McGregor, and the baddest of them all Chael Sonnen.
He speaking the truth
Putting up the BMF belt during the 145 or 155 match just essentially eliminates the BMF belt.
Basically treated it like an interim championship 🤷
"YOU'RE not like that! YOU'RE not like that! YOU'RE not like that!"
Making the fight happening, which I'd imagine most anyone agrees is the RIGHT fight for ilia's legacy against the current biggest fighter in the ufc after that legendary moment CONDITIONAL is anti BMF behavior. I hate it. This feels absolutely to me like trying to duck, which; True or not, the narrative is he looked scared ringside at 300. This supports that narrative and if he doesn't fight max BECAUSE of this then that might as well be him signing his name on that narrative.