The Inhumanity of Celebrity
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2022
- The phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders.
Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)
Book Reference: Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity by David Giles
Book Reference: The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis
Book Reference: When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck DeGroat
Podcast Reference: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill by Christianity Today
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Jackie’s honesty is insanely refreshing. 😌
I agree! I ❤️ it!
I absolutely love her
Honestly!
Yess!!
I agree we need a podcast on waking up with an attitude.
Jackie is always ready to put an immediate stop to Preston's compliments. "So anyway..."😂
Immediately! 😂
I noticed that and I wonder why lol she is so cute lol
Notice that too. I wonder why?
I noticed this as well.
@@carlyD123 i don’t know for sure so please don’t quote me , however I believe it’s due to childhood trama. Her mother wasent there like that and her dad wasent at all. She may not be used to that kind of attention and it still might make her uncomfortable. But deep down iKnow she likes it 😂. If he stopped saying it completely she would feel some type of way.
Again I’m guessing
I'm the same as Jackie, very introverted. I dont like small talk at all but I am intrigued by meaningful, deep conversations. I can come off as standoffish and its hard because thats who I am. But I relate to people differently. I enjoy deep connections, not frivolous conversations that mean nothing, so its hard for me to relate to most people.
This is so me but being a nurse makes it so hard for me because I have to talk to doctors and patients and co workers but I find that people kinda avoid me thinking I hate them or I have an atitude but I don’t.
Sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone. You may cut off a chance for someone to vent to you. Smile, it puts others at ease. No, you don't want nonsense, but see conversation as a ministry from time to time.
@@indriadrayton1132 thank you 💕💕
Every word stated, resonates with me on a soul level!!!
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I love the way he finds himself loving her, was like a suprising moment, like loving her for the first time. That was so pure, only God can teach us how to love someone again everyday. God bless them.
I love the way Preston always guards her emotions. Covers her with love. ❤
“Fame is rooted in favouritism” so good 👏🏿
Being an introvert in public spaces for extended periods of time is draining. That's what I hear Jackie saying.
As well as wanting to keep certain aspects of their life private. It's draining.
Perfectly said 💯
I can’t even express how relatable Jackie is to me…. She puts words to a lot of my feelings and thoughts so well.
Preston's hair & cut is str8 flames🔥🔥🔥
The strangest thing about celebrity culture is how it bleeds into everything else. People have been given such a closeup of certain aspects of celebrities lives that they now feel entitled to all aspects of their lives. I will go even further to say that this entitlement has spilled over into regular everday life. Since many feel entitled to know the ins-and-outs of celebrities lives; they also feel entitled to know the ins-and-outs of the lives of neighbors, coworkers, parishoners etc. Its highly disturbing when you think about it. #NoBoundaries
Yes, well said.
This is exactly it. Too much accessibility to things and people😮💨.
This is good Aaron Carter has been heavy on my heart. I saw a interview where he was in so much pain and he was saying how being a celebrity was not a choice for him. So sad how we dehumanize people and how much suffering we can cause on another person.
I love how you are so patient with each other and let the other finish their thought
Jackie is well read, super smart and knows how to articulate herself so well.
I've met celebrities and acknowledged them, if they were people I liked or followed, but I never go out of my way to take pictures or make them feel like they HAVE to do anything but exist in their space. I'm an introvert and I don't like people in my space, so I don't do it to others. I barely even take photos of myself, let alone a stranger, no matter how famous they are. They are people who need to feel comfortable. I treat people how I want to be treated and I wouldn't like that so I don't do it to them. It's creepy and dehumanizing and we would feel attacked if people did that to us.
Jackie is sharing a feeling that many experience… It is interesting how we feel the need to perform in front of people who fell in love with the true us that wasn’t performing.. she isn’t overly sweet or smiling or anything in the podcast unless there’s a joke so I wouldn’t expect anything different in person.. she is matter-of-factly. I appreciate Jackie’s transparency and to get anything else in person would be weird. Those who expect you to be diff than you are, were never fans to begin..
This is gooooood
It resonated with me when Jackie explained how she felt performative in public spaces so others can be ok with her and not misinterpret her actions. I used to do it at work and was so exhausted. Then I finally realized that all I really owed people was respect and professionalism. That’s all!
I really appreciate Jackie’s transparency here. As an introvert I can completely get what she’s saying. I don’t know if she would consider herself an introvert or not…either way I definitely understand the feeling of being drained after a lot of social interaction. Great episode!
I’m not at the same level of notoriety as y’all but I relate to this so much. I’m naturally an over sharer but I’ve realized that I can’t do that on social media. I just can’t. I sacrifice too much privacy, vulnerability, and space for authenticity.
And it’s made me realize that I was actually looking for close community and was unhealthily fulfilling that through my online presence. I’ve come to my conclusion, through prayer, that the content I post will be specific to my niche on the internet; and unless there’s a personal life update that affects that, I only want to share my life with those close to me in real life. That’s not to say that your community can’t be online; it totally can - but only certain people can be awarded that intimacy in my opinion. I gave it up so freely and it set unhealthy boundaries between myself and my audience.
I imagine the line y’all walk is so much thinner because your content is very intimate, personal, and transformative. I’m not sure what the solution is, but I’m sure the Lord will lead y’all in it. Thanks for the great podcasts 🙏🏿
I’ve being thinking about social media and how unnatural it is to have so much access to so many people at every time. It’s very strange and I know I should quit.
wow love your comment! so much wisdom
Thank you for sharing this.🙏
Right?! Same!! I’m not famous lol but I’m a worship leader at my church. I spent the first year when I joined not letting people know I could sing because I knew the moment they knew… things would change. I can’t walk down the hall without having people approach me.
I’ve purposely cut back on over sharing on social media too. I used to love posting everything because I literally would use my social media like it was a personal album haha. But now me sharing all my thoughts, opinions, and pics…. Knowing that I have a larger diverse pool of followers. I choose to pass lol.
@Pearl Ivory
Wow, I like your comment- especially about waiting to let people know you can sing. That’s a thoughtful strategy for a new environment and makes sense to gauge interactions. If you don’t mind sharing, did people change a lot toward you? Were you able to keep connections you initially made before revealing?
Also, something I’ve been generally processing over the years (not directed to your comment)… if we have certain gifts/abilities, is hiding parts of who we are then being our authentic selves? I understand there’s a level of boundaries needed to discern true intentions, but if we present our whole selves (within reason) won’t that draw people attracted to who we really are? Yes, it may also draw those who want to use or exploit, but is holding back attractional aspects due to what we may have to deal with a good thing? Or is it a call to grow and manage ourselves and our understanding/outlook/lives/boundaries better? Or something else? Lol… sigh. I think a lot and this is a topic where I haven’t settled on an answer for myself yet. Thanks for sharing
Social media, and the perceived “close proximity” it has provided, has emboldened people to make comments and ask invading questions that hurt others. Then, once the offense has stabbed the heart, the offender can slink back to obscurity but the offended has to deal with the hurt. I can see where the “celebrity” eventually draws boundaries, or even develops a role, to protect their person, family, and privacy. The band Rush has a line in their song Limelight, “I can’t pretend a stranger is a long-awaited friend”. The whole song is a secular testimony to this very subject. I hope us common folk remember your words as we interact with the celebrities in our lives. Thank you for your honesty and opening up this subject to a serious conversation. God bless y’all as you navigate this in your own lives.
It is so hard to be somebody else. You both are so reflective of who God says we should be. Honest, open, and Authentic. Pray the Holy Spirit continue to use you both for His glory. I appreciate you both, blessings.
I don’t know what it is but this video got me super emotional. I have never had a “fan girl” mentality but always desired to know a few people I have been invested in by people online. Thank you for this content!!!! I hope to one day come support you in person and just give you a genuine hug and thank you for your obedience. ❤
My God, Ta’Day!!! “I feel like I have to perform” is my life. Even hosting friends or family in my home. It’s exhausting. I, too, am a chill, laid back person and having people around for one periods takes a lot out of me. I feel you 💯!!
I was so honored to take a pic with you at Glory Vegas, but I had asked first. You looked goodt btw, 4 kids where? Knowing that you're an introvert, I respect your boundaries. Also, I dont want ppl to just like me for my gifts either. Glory Atl you were pregnant you had your family there, so I didnt want to ask to take a pic. I dont just like you cuz you can preach real good. I like that you and your husband are real, your funny personalities, your family,your testimonies, which I can relate with. Jackie youre a black woman with locs, thats a whole testimony in itself. Didnt see that as much growing up. All in all, yea I be feeling like yall my cousins in my head🤣 ,but also respect yall and especially yall children.
Beautifully Said ❤
This was beautiful to read.
Thank yall.
Im such a girls girl. I dont fan girl a lot of "celebrities" but Jackie and Preston. I thank.God for yall. Every episode is 💯
@withtheperrys
Really loved this episode!! That contrast between Nebuchadnezzar & John the Baptist's approach to fame and who they chose to glorify 💯
"Celebrity" tends to place people on pedestals. Sometimes it even closely resembles worship. There's only one person who could ever truly handle worship, and it's not us...
The shoes of worship only perfectly fit Divinity!
I'm Jamaican and growing up culturally the reaction to " celebrity" is different. We don't like the feeling on a whole like ppl act like they are or feel like they are better than you. We look down on it. However I have noticed young ppl because of the influence of social media and US culture tend to idolise ppl who are well known. But celebrity homage in excess is idol worship.
Agreed
I took a break from serving in my local church’s music ministry and it’s been the main way I’ve served for the last 15 years. I definitely struggled with not losing my identity as a Christian during this break, so this conversation was super relevant for me.
This episode is a whole 5 sermons. I need to pause and digest!! I’m so glad there are couples and individuals like you in the kingdom. I honestly don’t know where else I would come across rich information like this.
Totally! Listened again twice now!
Agreed, these guys are amazing! 🌟 I’d also love to submit to you, The Basement w/ Tim Ross. It’s a really down-to-earth channel that has helped me grow in my faith and biblical understanding.
@@myrrhfortheroad I actually watch Tim Ross too lol!!
@@myrrhfortheroad The Basement has helped me so much too
@@estherbaffour2993 That's awesome!! It really is so encouraging. :) So grateful we have these examples to learn from.
So true! And some social media influencers who share so much of their lives have said things like “you don’t know me”, which is false, we do know them but they don’t know us.
Attaching value to your outcome vs Who you were made by was so good. I struggle with that as a professional. This episode is such a blessing.
I really appreciate your thoughts on this topic. And thanks for putting aside the “attitude” and recording the episode!!! Keep serving the King!
I once read an anecdote in a book about a younger pastor who was leading a growing church speaking to a more seasoned minister. The younger pastor attempted to explain why he could not stop his church from growing and the more seasoned pastor said simply, “stop adding chairs.” I think there is a principle there for Christian “celebrities.” They could ponder why and how and where a and in which ways they are put on pedestals or they they could just “stop adding chairs.” I could give a thousand examples of how they could do that in this current age, but I don’t want to make this post too long.
I like your comment, it made me think. Is one way that they could stop adding chairs, for example, to stop doing interviews that draw attention to themselves? Or if you don't mind sharing one or two ways you think that christian celebrities could stop drawing attention to themselves?
@@somethinggood9267 that’s one way for sure. Toning down their social media is another big one - as they mentioned, many of us know what their children look like and their personalities, to some extent. Many Christian influencers will post date nights, OOTDs, gym routines, just stuff that, I suppose, “humanizes” them. But the flip side to that is that we can follow them just like all of the other Christian influencers. I’m about the same age as Jackie and own a couple of her books, but I can say with confidence, that I would have bought those books back in the early 2000’s when there was no social media. I kinda miss only knowing what an artist looks like from their cd album art. Now we know what their houses look like, their mother’s look like, their favorite Starbucks drink…it’s a lot and idk if all of the extra is adding anything of value to their ministries (I’m not speaking about J and P, but all Christian celebrities in general). Another thing they could do is be more selective of where they speak or perhaps come to these conferences with parameters set - i will come but I would like to feel free to make an announcement about me wanting the listeners to simply digest the message and expect nothing of me otherwise. This may sound radical and countercultural but if a few of them don’t start changing the culture of Christian Celebrity, it will only get worse.
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So good!!!
I think, in a winny tiny way, certain professions also expose you inadvertently to the 'celebrity' culture. As a Christian and a professional in certain fields that the society considers dignifying e.g engineering, medicine(mostly where frequent day-to-day human interaction to make others more wholesome, healtheir, and happy), it takes discipline to let people see Christ through you, which is God's aim through your profession, before latching on images of celebrity of career achievements, whilst still maintaining the involved ethics. It could be a handful. Thank you for this Conversations The Perrys. It's a blessing!
This makes me think of church and pastors. My church back home in Ohio, and others, pastor always has his crew around him, we stand in line to get up to talk to him after service etc…everyone trying to get there time….I thought was a normal thing. I live in Washington state now, big church as well but the pastor just walks amongst us, no crew…. No one is trying to get at him, no line to speak etc. so I understand the illusion. If you appear untouchable people are like going crazy but if you are just hanging amongst the people… your human
Moral of the story, don’t sell your soul for fame 🤷🏽♀️
I can relate to this. I’m not famous. But was an associate pastor at a large church. People knew my daughters name, knew my story, and thought they had a relationship with me. And now that I go to a smaller church people from my old church will come up to me. And I literally have no idea who they are. Super strange.
I just love how you both are soooooo honest!!! And you express your feelings so well. GOALS!!!😊
This is so spot on. I needed to hear this. I sometimes get nervous around more high-profile people, and I keep trying to tell myself, “We are both children of God!” 😂Everything you said helped so much, thank you.
This was really good discussion !
I am continually blown away with the wisdom you both have! May God continue to give you wisdom and continued humility! I am proud to support ya'll!
I feel like celebritnism is the highest of people pleasing in away! To tie into what Preston was saying if your way of living is by your platform or your celebrity. That will start to pull at your authenticity! It’s reminds me of this scripture Mark 8:36! Eventually you have nothing left but your wealth & unhappiness…
A healthy balance between: going out of your way in order to be nice/warm vs being yourself; allow yourself to feel tired and not-so-social....
This is such a necessary conversation. Thanks for having it.
This is so good! I believe that, as Christian’s, we are called to be seen in some capacity. It will vary in different degrees for each one of us. But God has called us to be the light of this world, & a city on a hill cannot be hidden!
We cannot remain in the background, we have to adjust to some sort of spotlight in our careers, communities & roles because we carry light in this dark world. 🙏🏾💫
Wow, Jackie and Preston! Yes! It's a blessing to hear two humans discuss these things.
This is soooooooo good!!!! "Myself isn't going to always be good enough for everybody". This is sometimes the most stressful truth.
Enjoyed you both so much at TGC. Thank you for your ministry.
"Being honest. And in that honesty, taking time to hide"
Very good discussion, thanks for sharing!! 😊👍🏾🙏🏾❤️
This conversation is so relevant. Thank you
Suprisingly, on a small level I can relate. Just being a Christian puts you in a place of having to feel like you have to perform. Being the daughter of a man who is influential in his circle does that too.
For myself, all of y'all I watch I thank God for...however, y'all strangers. I feel no type of comfort coming up to a stranger for a convo or picture. I'll say hi with bright eyes and a great big wave...but that's it.
GREAT podcast. The narcissism segment was especially interesting! thank you both!
Thank You‼️for Sharing this Conversation💞 Very Insightful.
Very dope and needed convo & as always I loved the insights y’all had & how you approached it!! 👍
Wow not the Perry’s couldn’t click on fast enough, love them and you all too❤
Love this conversation!!
Every word spoken here is refreshing and it feels so good to know that people out here get it. Sometimes it appears like no one notices this in church, yet it's everywhere. We should always remember that no one is more important or more valuable than another.
Thanks y’all. Appreciate the content
I’m going to have to take this in again with a notepad!
Wow the wisdom and how miss. Jackie can put it in words in mind blowing. Thank you sis🙌🏾❤️
23:24 is the introvert struggle, speaking as an INFJ. 🙄 I worry about being this way at work as a receptionist sometimes. My "good morning" is majorly monotone but pleasant. On certain cheery days you'll hear an inflection but I cannot be consistent with a cheery disposition. It is draining because it is not me. I just be myself. If anyone takes offense at me being me, that's on them.
Sooooo refreshing to hear honesty in those who are put front in ministry.
This is Fascinating! I think of this often, but don't always know how to define the psychology of it. Thank you for sharing!
Such a great video! I really appreciate the wisdom in this! Thank you. ❤
This conversation is 🔥! The discussion on Genesis 3 and the New Jerusalem so blessed me bc I am the Excel girl so over trying to prove my worth.
ur videos brought me back to youtube. i love ur talks and knowledge. i always feel filled to the soul & challenged to think bigger when i watch yall. god bless yall ❤❤❤
Such a good conversation. I think when we attend conferences and events we need to make it our job to assume the best about everyone and that they have good intentions even if we don't get the greeting or picture we wanted. I think this will also help to reduce the stress put on those with influence and make them feel more comfortable to be themselves by meeting them where they're at, and showing grace and compassion. It also will remind us that we can show honor to people but we only worship Jesus.
This was awesome. My fav one yet.❤
Great conversation! Chuck DeGroat's book is an excellent source on narcissism! It's crucial to have accountability in church leadership/pastor because the damage that's results from this psudeo-celebrity is dangerous!
Great talk! I am an introvert and excessive social interactions in large groups exhausts us, and we recharge best by being alone. Not bad, just different!
Excellent talk! Blessings to you guys!!
This was very therapeutic. Honestly.
Love, love, love this conversation
Loved the analogy about the New Jerusalem 😊beautiful conversation!!
This was so good!!! ❤
OMGoodness, thank you so much for this episode!!! There are too many points made that affirmed how I feel to comment on them all. I just love you kids, your openness and honesty is so refreshing. Sorry for the "kids" you're both my children's age. 🥰 The Lord bless you both and your children. ❤️🔥🙏❤️🔥
Thanks once more for another big message.
Hiding is my take away
i really enjoyed this episode! really loved this episode! that contrast between nebuchadnezzar and john the baptist and their approach to fame and who they chose to glorify john the baptist approach to fame.
Loved this. Woke up feeling like that this morning. I know it's because I'm tired.
I feel you Jackie! People expect you to be an extrovert with a ton of high energy all of the time. That’s just not reasonable, or even attainable in certain situations. The irony is that they want or need to extract that high-strung energy from you to make themselves feel better. It can be exhausting trying to appease people. Naturally, as humans we will always want more, so to what extent does it end? 🤷🏾♀️ I feel you girl. #triggered😂
I love your genuiness!
U guys are so good together 🙏🏽
Thankyou for your authenticity. I really appreciate it but you are correct. You do need to have boundaries for your own sakes and your children, especially as they grow up. From New Zealand
40mins with the perrys 🙂
This is sooo goood! 👏🏽 👏🏽
I can't miss this sessions,I just can't shout out from Botswana 🇧🇼 I thank you guys for more than 30mins slowly but surely we're going to 1hr😁😁😁
So good, needed to hear and lean on this point of view,l. God brought it through you guys in a way that gave me peace. I've been concerned about the Church I currently attent, worried and having sone doubts about the Pastors, leadership and messages... I've needed help discerning, and this message just helped me a lot. TY 🙏
I have never had celebrity status in the way you are speaking. However, as a retired HS teacher, I have experienced people (parents, grandparents, aunts, etc) that new who I was that I did not know. So, when I was in public I was always on guard.
There was a time when I started questioning myself about my chosen career, not because of that necessarily, but because, I was in a field that it was forbidden to talk about Jesus. I saw so many broken kids during that time that needed Jesus. I felt imprisoned in my inability to offer the only Truth that may rescue their soul and give them comfort and peace beyond measure. This weighed so heavy on my heart that I was ready to give it up and find another career. God has been so good to me, an undeserving sinner. But, He loves and guides me anyway. One Saturday I was in the mall. Two of my students saw me and ran to talk and say hi. Out of the blue, one of the girls said, “education needs more people like you. Jesus shines through your eyes.” Wow, I had my answer; I was exactly where I was meant to be.
You, are exactly where you are supposed to be. The world needs more people speaking the Truth of our Lord. God has never promised following Him would me easy; but, he does promise He will be right there every step of the way.
You two, are doing so much to spread salvation; the goodness of our Lord. Stay strong, walk the path you have been given. You touch people that are out of reach from anyone else! God Bless!
This is so good!
This blessed me so much ❤
This is soooooo enlightening 🤯
🙏🏽Thanks Perry’s! This is a question I’ve often thought about. We as a ppl, turn it on when the light is on us… intentionally or not, we shine for others More, then shining for God!
Hey Perry's this was really good. So many need to hear this, especially the local church. So many great topics you guys touch on.
3 seconds in and when he said it reminds me of when I love you 😭❤️ sooo sweet and also I think about how god loves us even when we don’t have the best attitude! So sweet can’t wait to listen to all of this. Especially since I vlog, I’ve never even wanted to go viral because I know the fame would be awful for me.
My Lord, when Jackie mentioned that she’s drained from “performing”, I can completely relate. When I’m myself, I’m asked, what’s wrong, why the mean face, or why were my words so sharp. I like being in a room and not having to fill the silence w words. I want to wave, smile and keep it moving.
Yes Jackie! I agree with you. I often feel like I have to overperform too, especially as a teacher when I am in fact really laid back too! 😅
We have the same personality. I’ve very relaxed and laid back and that’s commonly misinterpreted. It is certainly work to do those things so I’m not labeled negatively. And I see Preston’s point because I realized these people don’t know me. So at times I do have to go out of my way to show people who I really am.
So good. Thank you.
This is so good
Good stuff💯
This is good! Be your authentic self. People that know you knows you and respects