I agree with your choice. Between the two, I got the Tuono too. Couple of things about switching to Akrapovic, it enables the Race ECU and it wont affect the warranty. Hugh.
Good points on the Akra and Race ECU. The wonderful thing about this community is that we get good points of view and opinions from others who view our efforts. Yes, that Tuono has "personality" that's for sure!
just installed the akra/race ecu.. If you thought the Tuono couldn't get any better, think again ... $3k CDN and now a MotoGP experience - an "11" (Spinal Tap - look it up).
So cool, and a little jealous. I believe the major new innovation is the computer adjustable suspension.....anyway that Tuono keeps getting "best of" notices. Enjoy it and ride safe!
I got the S1000R because it lets me do my day tour routes without a mid-point fuel up. The out and back trips were also significantly further on the S1000R with just a turn-around fuel stop. This was between the S1000R, MT10 and the Tuono.
The Tuono is thirsty no doubt about it! Also a very nice point in the favor of the S1000R is the fuel gauge! People have said to me, "you don't need a fuel gauge, watch the mileage" etc....but it sure is handy to have one! So I'd score that to the favor of BMW no question.
Very nice format and great idea. I do think an improvement would be comparing a current generation s1000r (or at least mention its updated specs) to the current tuono to help get a better picture for those considering the two. Also, turn in is heavily affected by the tires the bikes have which are not the same. Also the current s1000r has an autoblipper and a new frame that is designed for quicker turn in. A key thing I've found with the two is the tuono cooling system is not designed to handle stop and go traffic in warmer temperatures--curious about your experiences in actual stop and go traffic since you are in san diego. My experience with the s1000r is it has no issue with stop and go traffic in terms of overheating whereas the tuono would definitely overheat. All this said, if there was a well trained and equipped aprilia dealer within 2 hours of me I'd have one though my '18 s1000r is a keeper :)
Great points and the criticism here is well aimed and correct. It would be more "apples to apples" to have current model year comparisons....so I have a couple of answers to your questions here; 1. Aprilia heat in traffic or hot San Diego days. There is no doubt this bike runs hotter than the Beemer. When first purchased I experienced the infamous stalling issue on a hot day in traffic. Twice. The bike shuts down in "self defense" when it senses that the temperature can lead to boil-over. At the first break-in service there was a software upgrade that changed the intervention algorithm and since this I did not have issues. Also, when I installed the aftermarket Akro exhaust system the bike seems to run a bit cooler. This has been noticed by others. 2. I hope I left everyone with the impression that I'd be quite happy to have a S1000R as a single bike. I cannot really say there is a bad way to go with either machine....and I think your experience with your machine is a direct indication of this. I will close by saying that I should think that for the 2020 year we will see the Beemer updated to coincide with some of the changes recently done to the single R sport bike. So, this machine is only going to get better and better.
Oh and as I mentioned above I forgot that not everyone has watched my previous video's on my riding experiences wit the machines. In earlier videos on the Tuono I am pretty sure I mentioned the overheat issue......and the reliability problems I experienced with both machines.
I am glad to have helped! And remember there really is no good-bad decision to make here. Both motorcycles are excellent and will be enjoyed. So, it is a matter really of heart and emotion...my opinion.
Garey Cooper, I decided on a 2017 Tuono I found on CycleTrader. I was leaning towards the s1000r because I’ve heard from a few techs their warranty and service is a bit more reliable, but I feel like I have to go with that V4. Wish you lived closer to me Garey we would definitely be hanging out.
Garey, I own a 2017 Tuono and test drove a 2016 S1000R and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the throttle response, smoothness and braking on the BMW. It did feel like it had less torque but felt way smoother than my Tuono which doesn't like being in the lower RPM's. Sounded pretty good with the Akra.
It has to be said that the BMW S1000R is a great motorcycle, well engineered. Of any year, mine was a 2014. My opinion always was that either machine (Tuono or S1000R) would be a great choice. The Beemer was quite happy to roll along at low rev's and the fueling seems to have been particularly well done by the factory. I never modified the exhaust or mapping of the Beemer as I was quite happy with them as OEM supplied. Yes, the Tuono has been fitted with the Akra exhaust and factory "racing" map. It is really working nice, and sounds excellent in my opinion. I have been meaning to to a VLOG on the exhaust upgrade but life has had other plans for me recently which included a certain V4S Ducati...but I will get to this soon!
Jorge, so glad to help a fellow rider. As I say in the video "no preoccupies" as either machine is awesome and will be an excellent choice! Good luck to you sir.
Great video Garey, You describe them objectively and really precise. I had the s1000r and I now have a 2012 Tuonov4r, I say the bmw feels more manageable and makes you feel secure and fast without noticing, while the tuono is pure madness and it gives you feedback in every aspect so that its owner can interpret that.
Well put, and that perhaps is a good way to explain those differences that are not necessarily related to specification or technical details....excellent comment and insight coming from your experience with both machines! Ride safe!
@@GareyCooperdude absolutely. I am currently in marketing looking for my second motorcycle, narrow down between these two . So, this video is priceless and means lot for me
@@kalipramod9101 Best of luck with your decision. Either bike in my opinion would be very suitable as the second machine in an enthusiasts stable....and both have been recently updated with better electronics etc. If you're buying new.
I've had both. Ape looks better, sounds better, not quite as comfortable suspension for the street but better for the track. BMW better for the road with the way easier to use cruise control, easy on the fly suspension adjustments and heated grips. Still like my Ape better.
I had the Tuono which I sold last year. Lost my license thanks to my lack of self control. Too many speeding fines. Looking at the s1000r for best of both worlds. The Aprilia is hands down a sexy looking bike.
Welcome dude, So, when you hear me complaining about rain in San Diego you must be laughing and saying, "Seriously"! Actually I've visited Scotland a few times and having a bike there (on the right weather day) would be pretty awesome. In my opinion you won't regret the S1000R. A great machine. I would comment that in my opinion BMW will probably do a fairly substantial update to this machine in '20. If they follow past practice they will use the double "R" as the template and bring things from that recent update over to the single "R"....so for you it might mean that towards the end of this model run there may be some substantial price discounts, OR wait until you see what the '20 is going to look like before pulling the trigger? Remember I don't know ANY of this for sure, just my opinion.
Garey Cooper Hey Garey thanks for the reply. You know I’m thinking exactly the same thing as you. But I just can’t make up my mind wether to save money and wait for the discounts or just go for it this spring and enjoy it this summer. OR... wait for the updated model. It’s a head and a heart thing. Haha well I can tell from that comment you know my country well 😂 you know what they say.... can’t have rainbows without rain 🌈. If you are ever through this way again you’ll have a bike available to you. Just let me know 👍🏻 Keep up the great content!
Thank you very much for the comparison of these two bikes. I’m glad I ended up on your channel and I like the garage set up to compare the two bikes 😏. I will still go with the 2020 BMW1000R metallic red for the few updates it had compared to the 2014 version.
Awesome, thank you! I hope it lives up to at least some of your expectations. As I say in the Video, you really can't go wrong here. Enjoy and ride safe!
Hi Garey, just got a new left over 2018 Tuono Factory, love the bike, I come from a 15 super duke and was torn about the decision between the two, hope it’s going to be a great bike, videos will follow soon, today I’m riding to the Long Beach motorcycle show, take care.
Dang, wish I'd have known you were going to be there (I was there myself). I would've loved to stop and talk to you about the two bikes! The Super Duke was on my radar back when I purchased the Tuono.....only sat on one never ridden one. But, I think you'll love the Tuono. I know you'll love the engine note, truly inspiring. Would also love to have your opinions on the two machines. And by the way great and crafty purchase at this time of year, they'll deal on the them now.....does the '18 have the semi-active suspension?
Garey Cooper hi, no it does not, that is on the 19 models only but it’s ok I got a great deal on this on and so far I am very happy, I can tell you compared to my duke this one is more sporty, I do miss that on the Duke and the bigger back seat for my wife, other then that the tuono is amazing, butter smooth engine and gear box, so clean it’s addicting, I will get another bike for 2 up eventually.
Front end the beemer has a neater and more aggressive front end imo as well. The tuono for me has a nice soundtrack tho. But add a full Arrow Competition evo exhaust and speak to me after that lol.
I own a 18 Tuono, to me nothing beats the character of that V4 engine. I4 are just to vanilla for my liking. On top of that Tuono has a more exclusive feel, where I see beemers everywhere with Japanese bikes. Aprilia not flooding the market here makes it a win in my eyes.
The exclusivity is a plus certainly.....but could also turn into a minus if parts/service are required. Aprilia dealers are relatively rare and they don’t stock much in the USA. Overall I agree with your comment.
12:09 Those are some beautiful toys in your driveway Garey! Proper mix of German and Italian engineering. Too bad you're not able to compare 2017+ models of these bikes. Currently trying to choose between these two and I hate it! I know I am going to cry when I see the other one on the road. :X
Well, you know there is always that "buyers remorse" that you get and see the other model you were considering go by! But I can tell you that both are really good machines! So, for my money it'd be hard to make a bad choice. One point to bear in mind, BMW has just launched an update to the double R, which I think they've badged as a '20 model. I'd be willing to bet an upgraded single R is around the corner. So if you could wait to see if that's true I'd advise you to do so. That might help tip the scales. One comment I've consistently made to others considering this choice between Aprilia and BMW is this. How far away are the dealerships for both brands located? This could factor in your decision for service, repairs, and support. There are typically more BMW dealers than Aprilia dealers, and usually BMW dealers are large with a concentration on BMW. On the other hand the Aprilia dealership fewer and usually sell several other brands as well. So, see where they are in your neighborhood and if possible visit them and get a feel for the "vibe" you get as a potential customer. This too can make a big difference. Good luck and as I said, they are both great machines.
I will get my full A license next year and these 2 bikes along with the Superduke are on my wish list. As of now, my mind says S1000R but my heart says Tuono. Tough choice to make, still have some time to think though.
Good luck with the choice although of the two or three you're looking at I don't think there is a "bad" decision to be made. Even though I might agree given the reputations the BMW is the "safe" choice my own experience with the Tuono is rather good. But the S1000R is such a good bike the difference do fall more into the subjective than really the objective. I do believe your timing is great as with the new S1000RR having been rolled out my private opinion is that the next generation single R will have some changes coming up within the next year or two. So, you might benefit from that if buying a new machine. In any case thanks for the comment and best wishes for a safe and fun riding career!
I have a 2016 BMW s1000rr and I love the bike but I got tired of the smoothness of the inline engine this is my fourth inline motorcycle and wanted to change it up so I just recently bought a Tuono i also wanted something a little more comfortable both great bikes love the way the BMW sounds but theres nothing like the rumble from the v4 with an Akrapovic exhaust not a big fan of super loud exhaust my buddy had an rsv4 with an sc projects and that thing sounded devilish but super obnoxious to ride next to lol the akra opens it up a little and sounds great but not too loud
Perfect experience trajectory and my same impressions actually. That V4 just sounds so intoxicating doesn't it? And, I also am not a fan of overly loud exhausts....it needs to be "uncorked" a little but not almost straight through in my opinion. Enjoy that Tuono and ride safe!
Thx for the video! I’m tired of my r6, Thinking abt going s1000r or Tuono for more comfortable position. love the s1000r but that Tuono is just an amazing look bike, struggling cuz the Tuono just abt 2k expensive for both 2015s.
Vicky, they both are great bikes. I'd also ask how far away you are from an Aprilia dealer vs. a BMW dealer? There are usually more Beemer dealers around so that can be an issue. $2K is a LOT of money and I'd say it would be hard to justify unless you really LOVE the Tuono. Also, look at insurance, this can be quite a difference as well. There is no BAD choice here so it is your heart over your $$'s........good luck and let me know which one you choose!
Both in a 2017 form the BMW then has the extra Blipper and even more so the dynamic pro. I have a BMW S1000R 2015 woolich tuned and Gillies rearsets and levers and ROX bar risers anti vibration mounts and more extras and it's amazing. Both of these are great bikes but does the tuono have cruise control?. Beemer is well ahead on spec imo tho.
Sorry, just seeing this! Yes the Tuono does have cruise control....there's a lot to like with the S1000R that is for sure. However for me the Tuono just clicked a few more boxes.... I have seen the new '23 S1000R and it is awesome.
Great comparison.I owned both of these bikes.The s1000r sport is better at almost everything for uk roads and the way i ride. Tuono has that monstrous v4 and a more comfortable seat. winner=tuono.
Yes, it is really hard to go wrong on either bike.....I've been to the UK several times, never rode there however. I'd think some of those narrow lanes could be exciting!
It seems Aprilia measured the rake from a vertical, while BMW from a horizontal. You can convert Aprilia's measurement by drawing an imaginary triangle from the steering head vertically down, then horizontally to the front axle. All angles in a right triangle (one angle is 90 degrees) have to add up to 180. So 180-90-27=63 degrees rake from horizontal for the Aprilia. So the rake on the BMW is actually 2 degrees steeper than on the Aprilia. But trail (horizontal distance of axle to steering head), length of wheelbase, wheel size and tire height and not least the frame all play a role in handling.
Okay! Thanks for that...I wonder why the difference there? But it explains a lot on the deviation from the specifications for the machines, if not their actual performance.
I would think the difference in angle one be because one is measuring straight up and down as 90* and the other considers straight up and down to be 0*. If you compensate for that, they are 24.8 and 27.
Thanks for the well thought out comparo. Did you notice any engine vibrations on the BMW? I am in between these 2 bikes as my next. Thanks in advance- subscribed.
Chris, not really outstanding vibrations on the Beemer....the 4 cylinder does "buzz" a bit and this varies as you go higher through the different revs so that is the vibrations. But overall the motor is fairly smooth. Good luck your selection! And remember either of them are really great motorcycles. What I typically say to the potential purchaser of either is; #1, how far away is the nearest Aprilia dealer? There are usually many BMW dealers and much fewer Aprilia dealers. Sometimes it can be quite a distance to the nearest Aprilia dealer. #2, will you use this machine to commute? I would have to give a nod to the Beemer on long-term mileage and reliability. Although I do not commute and my reliability experience on both has been very similar...neither perfect but both easily fixed and taken care of. #3, price.....you can sometimes pick up great deals on either of these machines depending upon the time of year and their stock level etc. If one was significantly cheaper than the other I'd certainly factor that into my decision. Again, good luck and good riding!
@@GareyCooperdude Awesome thanks so much for the input, it helps me a lot. Actually I took the S1000R for a test ride yesterday- no buzzing that is out of the ordinary. I've had a R6, F4i, and CB919 so have had inline 4's before :) BMW is right around the corner from my house and also would not use the bike for commuting. Also this would be my 2nd bike- have a Yamaha FJ09 I plan on keeping so longer distance/ touring is handled. The one thing that is keeping me from it is the riding position and also (kind of) the engine character. When I test rode it it was much more leaned over riding position I was expecting, not sure how long I could ride like that. Also the engine on the demo bike was not broken in and was limited to 9K. I know the bike makes more power and torque up higher in the RPM range, but thinking of maybe something more usable on the street (I think the BMW would make an amazing track bike). Mainly I am now considering to possibly get the BMW with handle bar risers (not sure if that would be enough) or also looking at Triumph Speed Triple. The Triple makes more torque lower in the RPMs and (I think) has more upright riding position. Also looked at the Super Duke 1290, but just don't like the looks of it. Such a touch decision, thanks again
@@theshindogg Well certainly wish you luck on the selection and it sounds like you've got a good grasp of things to consider. It is a fairly aggressive riding position, particularly the "rider triangle" with your legs rather tucked up. I don't know about the risers.....you might try different rear sets? Anyway don't know enough to comment. I tried the Super Duke, pretty tall for me...and the bike was very torquey, but I think that there was more than just a bit of vibration there as well. Nothing but good reviews on the Triumphs so that is a good clear option. Again, wish you well and ride safe!
Garey, a very sensible comparo, although never could understand why you had both of these as they are "the" head-to-head competitors in the same segment. Virtually every comparison tends to be a hair-splitting exercise in the end. I personally think the Aprilia V4 is the most delightful motorcycle engine ever (have had 3 I4 BMWs). Performance wise, MCN could barely detect a .5 sec lap time difference around the track so I think it is more how they do what they do vs what they actually do which is near-identical ... The Aprilia is less comfy for taller riders. BMW has better switchgear. Aprilia chassis is legendary from RSV4 ... BMW probably a bit better fuelling/throttle response... BMW I4 a bit buzzy and revs a bit higher in top gear ... Reliability? My BMWs had their nigglies. The Aprilia has one so far. Fewer dealers for Aprilia may be an issue for some. Aprilia has no meaningful corporate or brand footprint in North America (worse in Canada) for their superbikes. Maybe an issue if you rally around a brand. If you looking for like-minded Aprilia riders, you will come across the BMW clubs while you are searching...). Every choice has trade-offs ... I had 2 Ducatis so had the Vtwin experience. The Tuono is just a little different and that makes it just a bit more fun. Novelty has yet to wear off for me... BTW, re the head angle, subtract the BMW # from 90 degrees and you will see they are almost identical (24.8 vs 24.7). We Canucks are still waiting for Spring... Cheers Constantine
Ah great input as usual Constantine! Okay that explains the radical difference in head angles.......and it shows how much (on paper) the two machines are alike! And I'm gonna agree 100% with your own impressions on the BMW vs. Tuono bits. In the US anyway I generally counsel people who are asking which to buy to look at their nearest dealer. The two bikes are so close that this could be a deciding factor. Here in San Diego I am pretty lucky in that dealers for both are rather nearby. But I do always say that while under warranty to do the maintenance at a qualified and listed dealer.... Best wishes for an early and wonderful spring up in Canada dude! I've always liked Canadians, I don't know why???? They probably freeze so much in winter that their hearts are warm??? Ride safe......!
Thanks, mad thanks, mate. You do know that you have the bike of the year from three of the best brands in your garage at the same time… You must be living right. Thanks for the Canadian comment…Always an open door here for a Tuono kindred spirit...
@@constantineeliadis5582 Yeah, very lucky to have them and I hope I show that. One of them came to me completely by fluke...winning the Ducati. And I cannot have three machines (shouldn't really have two when it comes to that) so one must go and I've decided it should be the Beemer.
Yes, We’re fortunate to have such 1st world worries.... the BMW is the oldest in the end... Thinking of a GoldWing to do the west coast south from Vancouver to SD one of these years... Hoping I win a bike like you did!!
I traded my S1r for a 2018 Tuono because BMW was all about Revs and just buzzed through the bars all the time. Hated it. Had to go. Tuono is fantastic everywhere. 2 issues for Tuono. No fuel gauge & finding neutral is a bitch.
Yes, finding neutral is a problem, noticed the same on my 2018. It works best when bike is moving. I would recommend buying a shiftholder, wich should improve shifting a lot and help get rid of this issue: www.wsc-shop.de/images/product_images/original_images/shiftholder_rsv4_808_0_0.jpg
Oh you cheater! Well I am jealous as ever of your trip to Austin and the GP! My $'s are on Marquez but my heart is with Dovi..........or in a long shot Rossi.....make a VLOG on it dude.
Thanks! Although I didn't mention it this video was a technical change with some challenges for me. When 650ib was here he was using a remote mic (by a company called Zoom) which allowed him to use two cameras, A & B, to video. I decided to give this a try and thought it would add some interest to the video instead of seeing a frozen "talking head". It's a hobby for me and it was a bit of a stretch for this old guy technically but it came out pretty well....thanks for noticing. I now have to get a better camera set up for the Panigale that works!
You'd have to look through all the testing that's been done on these two machines and try to rule out the variables in search of that answer. However I would only GUESS that the Tuono could have the edge because of the greater torque output.And the seat of my pants feeling that the Tuono has a bit more "pull" down lower in the rev range. But they are so close that it would probably come down to the rider.....
Hi Garry , would like to know what miles /kms can u get out if a full tank for both bikes . Best and worst , i must say got some fine toys in Garage and out side 👍👍👍
I'd like to give you a more concise (or precise?) answer here...but being a casual rider I haven't tracked fuel consumption all that closely unfortunately. With the fuel gauge on the Beemer I head to the station when it's on the last couple of bars in the indicator. And quite often if I'm at a stop with a gas station nearby I'll take advantage to add some "just in case". But here's a guess; The Beemer can run close to 150 at a stretch....and the Aprilia is down in the 120-130 range. Now those guesses are maximums mind you, so I never have really challenged the full range in either tank.
@@fredensminde 160kms with 12 litters (6 litters left )so to the last drop it should do roundabouts 240kms with my calculations . I've done some long trips or two with no petrol station for 180kms . Thanks for your help very much appreciated 👍👍👍👍.
S1000R over 2017 quick shifts up/down, 165Hp, electronic suspension, less gasoline consumption, look more aggressive, much more services shop, undoubtedly S1000R
With NO experience on the Super Duke I feel inadequate to give you a fully informed response here.....everything I read/see about the Duke is generally good however.....the 17-19 models are supposed to be fairly "raw" per the reviews I've seen. Not entirely sure what that means......but the 17-19 S1000R gets you quick shift up and down, heated grips, cruise control, and electronic suspension (usually). And BMW's reputation for reliability which would be good for a daily rider. So, I guess I'd lean towards that....but again no direct experience on the Duke. Hope this helps?
Good question and thanks for asking. Perhaps I should have referred to this in the video. I am always assuming that people have been watching my videos in chronological order but I must remember that many times these videos are seen in a singular fashion. I say this because in past videos I did mention service and reliability issues for both machines in more detail. I will say as far as service intervals and cost for service both the Aprilia and the BMW are quite close. I always recommend that anyone with a new machine keep returning to the dealer for service during the warranty period. This should make a serious problem more likely to be covered than otherwise. After the warranty period then one can perhaps go to a less expensive independent service or do-it-yourself. As I am a recreational rider only I generally make sure that the machines are looked at once per year by a qualified mechanic. For either machine the cost of doing so is close enough that it would not be great enough to change a decision to one machine or the other.
Garey Cooper Thanks for the feedback, I didn’t see any of your other videos. I’ve been doing all my bike servicing myself and was wondering what these exotics were like compared to my Suzuki’s.
@@Jimo368 So I am still going to say that if you were to buy one of these new you should have the dealer service it through the warranty period. If you are doing your own servicing or it's a used bike out of warranty I am going to say that some things you can do as easily as you can on any other bike; oil changes, chain lube/changes. You may need a few different metric size tools but I don't see it being all that much different. Having said that there are some things that could get out of reach of the home technician, these would be computer updates, valve timing/adjustment, that sort of stuff. Not having the experience I cannot tell you which of these two machines would be easier to work on...both don't seem to be maintenance intensive however.
Oh yeah, new 2020 models out which look pretty fantastic. AND, I'm thinking that next year the single "R" version will get most of the upgrades that came with the current model on the double "RR"'s. Should be quite the machine.
I have a 2016 sk1rr and have loved every minute on that bike. Just so, so smooth to ride. I think the old looks are timeless but as we know folk were quite divided on the asymmetrical lights.
Tuono still doesn't have a fuel gauge. As it drinks so much yo are going to need it. Perhaps Aprilia deliberately don't give one on the bike as it would frighten owners how quickly it guzzles fuel.
Ha! That's funny.....maybe that is what they do. I do believe there are other bikes in the Aprilia lineup with fuel gauges? I don't know for sure. However, I CAN say that my 2018 Ducati V4S also does not have a fuel gauge......!
@@GareyCooperdude Must be an Italian thing. Another bike to cross off my list. Makes choosing a little easier. I am torn between the S1000R and Triumph's Speed Triple RS or maybe the MT10 SP. So hard to choose. Wish I had a big garage like yours for them all :@)
@@alexmorgan3435 well sure, just buy them all and put them in the garage! LOL...I've only heard good things about the MT and the Triumph....my heart would go MT because of that cross plane inline 4...never ridden either machine....but both probably very viable....ride safe no matter which way you go!
Garey Cooper Aprilia has come out and admit that they have not found accurate way to measure the fuel inside of the tank due to the shape of the tank. And given the amount of engineering that went into that bike I think the only way they can fix this is to change the shape of the tank which would compromise the seating position. After living with a MY 17 T for over 6k miles. The rule of thumb is, if you haven’t gotten gas in a little while, just stop and get some gas.
Sorry, that's pretty much bullshit. My 2018 Tuono drinks 6,5l per 100km, wich is absolutely ok. You can drive 230km till fuel light light's up. When push it hard, it needs about 7,5l, wich is still ok. Don't need the fuel gauge since most of them are inaccurate on motorcycle. Use the trip odometer, to determine when you have to refuel.
I did test ride the XR a while back and it would be a great choice for an all round hard working and touring machine. The motor feels very familiar from time with the S1000r....and it can be really loaded up with some nice BMW options for tour/commute...it is heavier and taller, but it also handled well enough in my humble opinion. My main complaint with the machine (as I recall) was that it is pretty tall for my own 5'10" 31" inseam frame. At stops I would have to be leaned on one side or the other, not being able to "flat foot". But that can be addressed with some adjustment. Can't fault your thinking on the machine.
@garey, after about a year of ownership do you have any follow-up between the two? I'm debating both (either a newer Tuono or older S1R). I am prioritizing comfort because I have a lingering back injury from lifting and can no longer find long-term comfort on my RSV but I also wouldn't mind taking it out on a couple track days a year. Thoughts?
Interesting question GasOnFire! Okay let's begin by saying that there is NOT a bad answer here. Each machine is excellent and should provide plenty of smiles! So, put your mind at ease there. Both machines would also be okay on track in my opinion. The Aprilia might be marginally faster due to the torque/horsepower/CC advantage. But that could be easily negated by the riders skills. I think the Aprilia has a slightly more aggressive rider position. Your legs are a bit more tucked and you are leaned just a bit more over the front wheel. Not a lot, but it is there. So on the comfort side the Beemer might have the edge. Include the heated grips on the Beemer and it tilts more for comfort to the Bavarian make. S1000R's from 2014 forward have computer controlled suspension. You can dial in comfort or soft for the street and then harden it up for the track. I don't think the Aprilia Tuono got the computer suspension until the 2020 model? Check on this to be sure but mine is a 2017 and it is not computer. Of course one can still set the suspension manually and the mechanical suspension on the Aprilia is superb, one just needs a couple of tools to adjust it. A last thing to mention is where is your nearest dealer located? There are many more BMW dealers than Aprilia dealers and this could factor into your thinking if you do require work. Also the aftermarket bits may be more comprehensive for the Beemer. I note you have an RSV so you know the allure of that V4, hard to beat! And you have probably done your diligence on the dealer thing......but it is worth considering. Okay, sticking my neck out here.....Beemer for comfort over the two choices. Aprilia for track and performance....... Good luck with your choice and let me know which way you decided!
Forgot to add! A few months ago I added dropped pegs to the Aprilia, got another couple of inches from them, they are pretty nice...I did a VLOG on them a while back. You may want to take a look at them if you go Tuono.
Absolutely true. BMW = fuel gauge, cruise control, hand warmers, etc. And it is interesting to note that even though I live in the warmer part of California there were many times on early mornings or later evenings when I found the hand warmers to be very nice to have. People said, "What! You don't need hand warmers in California"! BUT you know what? They were very nice........ I think that in the next year or so BMW will upgrade the S1000R to have the same technology as the newer S1000RR and they will have a full TFT screen, etc....and they will be VERY good compared to the Aprilia....
Excellent review Garey, keep it up mate!
Thanks dude!
I agree with your choice. Between the two, I got the Tuono too. Couple of things about switching to Akrapovic, it enables the Race ECU and it wont affect the warranty. Hugh.
Good points on the Akra and Race ECU. The wonderful thing about this community is that we get good points of view and opinions from others who view our efforts. Yes, that Tuono has "personality" that's for sure!
just installed the akra/race ecu.. If you thought the Tuono couldn't get any better, think again ... $3k CDN and now a MotoGP experience - an "11" (Spinal Tap - look it up).
One of The BEST Comparision !! Thanks :)
Thank you Manish! So glad you enjoyed it sir.
Just bought a 2020 Tuono Factory. I love it.
So cool, and a little jealous. I believe the major new innovation is the computer adjustable suspension.....anyway that Tuono keeps getting "best of" notices. Enjoy it and ride safe!
I Choose the Tuono over the BMW S1000R!
I got the S1000R because it lets me do my day tour routes without a mid-point fuel up. The out and back trips were also significantly further on the S1000R with just a turn-around fuel stop. This was between the S1000R, MT10 and the Tuono.
The Tuono is thirsty no doubt about it! Also a very nice point in the favor of the S1000R is the fuel gauge! People have said to me, "you don't need a fuel gauge, watch the mileage" etc....but it sure is handy to have one! So I'd score that to the favor of BMW no question.
Very nice format and great idea. I do think an improvement would be comparing a current generation s1000r (or at least mention its updated specs) to the current tuono to help get a better picture for those considering the two. Also, turn in is heavily affected by the tires the bikes have which are not the same. Also the current s1000r has an autoblipper and a new frame that is designed for quicker turn in. A key thing I've found with the two is the tuono cooling system is not designed to handle stop and go traffic in warmer temperatures--curious about your experiences in actual stop and go traffic since you are in san diego. My experience with the s1000r is it has no issue with stop and go traffic in terms of overheating whereas the tuono would definitely overheat. All this said, if there was a well trained and equipped aprilia dealer within 2 hours of me I'd have one though my '18 s1000r is a keeper :)
Great points and the criticism here is well aimed and correct. It would be more "apples to apples" to have current model year comparisons....so I have a couple of answers to your questions here;
1. Aprilia heat in traffic or hot San Diego days. There is no doubt this bike runs hotter than the Beemer. When first purchased I experienced the infamous stalling issue on a hot day in traffic. Twice. The bike shuts down in "self defense" when it senses that the temperature can lead to boil-over. At the first break-in service there was a software upgrade that changed the intervention algorithm and since this I did not have issues. Also, when I installed the aftermarket Akro exhaust system the bike seems to run a bit cooler. This has been noticed by others.
2. I hope I left everyone with the impression that I'd be quite happy to have a S1000R as a single bike. I cannot really say there is a bad way to go with either machine....and I think your experience with your machine is a direct indication of this.
I will close by saying that I should think that for the 2020 year we will see the Beemer updated to coincide with some of the changes recently done to the single R sport bike. So, this machine is only going to get better and better.
Oh and as I mentioned above I forgot that not everyone has watched my previous video's on my riding experiences wit the machines. In earlier videos on the Tuono I am pretty sure I mentioned the overheat issue......and the reliability problems I experienced with both machines.
Currently deciding between these two. Video was very helpful, thank you.
I am glad to have helped! And remember there really is no good-bad decision to make here. Both motorcycles are excellent and will be enjoyed. So, it is a matter really of heart and emotion...my opinion.
Garey Cooper, I decided on a 2017 Tuono I found on CycleTrader. I was leaning towards the s1000r because I’ve heard from a few techs their warranty and service is a bit more reliable, but I feel like I have to go with that V4. Wish you lived closer to me Garey we would definitely be hanging out.
Garey, I own a 2017 Tuono and test drove a 2016 S1000R and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the throttle response, smoothness and braking on the BMW. It did feel like it had less torque but felt way smoother than my Tuono which doesn't like being in the lower RPM's. Sounded pretty good with the Akra.
It has to be said that the BMW S1000R is a great motorcycle, well engineered. Of any year, mine was a 2014. My opinion always was that either machine (Tuono or S1000R) would be a great choice. The Beemer was quite happy to roll along at low rev's and the fueling seems to have been particularly well done by the factory. I never modified the exhaust or mapping of the Beemer as I was quite happy with them as OEM supplied.
Yes, the Tuono has been fitted with the Akra exhaust and factory "racing" map. It is really working nice, and sounds excellent in my opinion. I have been meaning to to a VLOG on the exhaust upgrade but life has had other plans for me recently which included a certain V4S Ducati...but I will get to this soon!
I have the Akra with race map as well. Love it. I would not want it any louder :-) Look forward to your review on the Duc.
Awesome video. Im also torn between these two bikes and this was very informative! Thank you.
Jorge, so glad to help a fellow rider. As I say in the video "no preoccupies" as either machine is awesome and will be an excellent choice! Good luck to you sir.
Two great machines! Lots and lots of great information in this video.
Thanks Arman!
Thanks for a great detailed comparison 👍☺️
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Garey, You describe them objectively and really precise. I had the s1000r and I now have a 2012 Tuonov4r, I say the bmw feels more manageable and makes you feel secure and fast without noticing, while the tuono is pure madness and it gives you feedback in every aspect so that its owner can interpret that.
Well put, and that perhaps is a good way to explain those differences that are not necessarily related to specification or technical details....excellent comment and insight coming from your experience with both machines! Ride safe!
Best motorcycle comparison , Perfection!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@GareyCooperdude absolutely. I am currently in marketing looking for my second motorcycle, narrow down between these two . So, this video is priceless and means lot for me
@@kalipramod9101 Best of luck with your decision. Either bike in my opinion would be very suitable as the second machine in an enthusiasts stable....and both have been recently updated with better electronics etc. If you're buying new.
@@GareyCooperdude thank you Sir. Yes, I am buying new one
I've had both. Ape looks better, sounds better, not quite as comfortable suspension for the street but better for the track. BMW better for the road with the way easier to use cruise control, easy on the fly suspension adjustments and heated grips. Still like my Ape better.
I had the Tuono which I sold last year. Lost my license thanks to my lack of self control. Too many speeding fines. Looking at the s1000r for best of both worlds. The Aprilia is hands down a sexy looking bike.
Subscribed! Really liking your reviews. Very helpful! Looking at getting a s1000R. Hey from Scotland 🏴
Welcome dude, So, when you hear me complaining about rain in San Diego you must be laughing and saying, "Seriously"! Actually I've visited Scotland a few times and having a bike there (on the right weather day) would be pretty awesome.
In my opinion you won't regret the S1000R. A great machine. I would comment that in my opinion BMW will probably do a fairly substantial update to this machine in '20. If they follow past practice they will use the double "R" as the template and bring things from that recent update over to the single "R"....so for you it might mean that towards the end of this model run there may be some substantial price discounts, OR wait until you see what the '20 is going to look like before pulling the trigger?
Remember I don't know ANY of this for sure, just my opinion.
Garey Cooper Hey Garey thanks for the reply. You know I’m thinking exactly the same thing as you. But I just can’t make up my mind wether to save money and wait for the discounts or just go for it this spring and enjoy it this summer. OR... wait for the updated model. It’s a head and a heart thing.
Haha well I can tell from that comment you know my country well 😂 you know what they say.... can’t have rainbows without rain 🌈.
If you are ever through this way again you’ll have a bike available to you. Just let me know 👍🏻
Keep up the great content!
Thank you very much for the comparison of these two bikes. I’m glad I ended up on your channel and I like the garage set up to compare the two bikes 😏. I will still go with the 2020 BMW1000R metallic red for the few updates it had compared to the 2014 version.
Awesome, thank you! I hope it lives up to at least some of your expectations. As I say in the Video, you really can't go wrong here. Enjoy and ride safe!
Hi Garey, just got a new left over 2018 Tuono Factory, love the bike, I come from a 15 super duke and was torn about the decision between the two, hope it’s going to be a great bike, videos will follow soon, today I’m riding to the Long Beach motorcycle show, take care.
Dang, wish I'd have known you were going to be there (I was there myself). I would've loved to stop and talk to you about the two bikes! The Super Duke was on my radar back when I purchased the Tuono.....only sat on one never ridden one. But, I think you'll love the Tuono. I know you'll love the engine note, truly inspiring. Would also love to have your opinions on the two machines. And by the way great and crafty purchase at this time of year, they'll deal on the them now.....does the '18 have the semi-active suspension?
Garey Cooper hi, no it does not, that is on the 19 models only but it’s ok I got a great deal on this on and so far I am very happy, I can tell you compared to my duke this one is more sporty, I do miss that on the Duke and the bigger back seat for my wife, other then that the tuono is amazing, butter smooth engine and gear box, so clean it’s addicting, I will get another bike for 2 up eventually.
@@GareyCooperdude Well its been about 2000 miles on the Tuono, suspension is a bit hard for me, need to adjust it. Other than that the bike is great.
Front end the beemer has a neater and more aggressive front end imo as well. The tuono for me has a nice soundtrack tho. But add a full Arrow Competition evo exhaust and speak to me after that lol.
Couldn't agree more! Uncork that Tuono V4, and oh my gosh......
I own a 18 Tuono, to me nothing beats the character of that V4 engine. I4 are just to vanilla for my liking. On top of that Tuono has a more exclusive feel, where I see beemers everywhere with Japanese bikes. Aprilia not flooding the market here makes it a win in my eyes.
The exclusivity is a plus certainly.....but could also turn into a minus if parts/service are required. Aprilia dealers are relatively rare and they don’t stock much in the USA. Overall I agree with your comment.
12:09 Those are some beautiful toys in your driveway Garey! Proper mix of German and Italian engineering. Too bad you're not able to compare 2017+ models of these bikes. Currently trying to choose between these two and I hate it! I know I am going to cry when I see the other one on the road. :X
Well, you know there is always that "buyers remorse" that you get and see the other model you were considering go by! But I can tell you that both are really good machines! So, for my money it'd be hard to make a bad choice.
One point to bear in mind, BMW has just launched an update to the double R, which I think they've badged as a '20 model. I'd be willing to bet an upgraded single R is around the corner. So if you could wait to see if that's true I'd advise you to do so. That might help tip the scales.
One comment I've consistently made to others considering this choice between Aprilia and BMW is this. How far away are the dealerships for both brands located? This could factor in your decision for service, repairs, and support. There are typically more BMW dealers than Aprilia dealers, and usually BMW dealers are large with a concentration on BMW. On the other hand the Aprilia dealership fewer and usually sell several other brands as well.
So, see where they are in your neighborhood and if possible visit them and get a feel for the "vibe" you get as a potential customer. This too can make a big difference.
Good luck and as I said, they are both great machines.
I will get my full A license next year and these 2 bikes along with the Superduke are on my wish list. As of now, my mind says S1000R but my heart says Tuono. Tough choice to make, still have some time to think though.
Good luck with the choice although of the two or three you're looking at I don't think there is a "bad" decision to be made. Even though I might agree given the reputations the BMW is the "safe" choice my own experience with the Tuono is rather good. But the S1000R is such a good bike the difference do fall more into the subjective than really the objective.
I do believe your timing is great as with the new S1000RR having been rolled out my private opinion is that the next generation single R will have some changes coming up within the next year or two. So, you might benefit from that if buying a new machine.
In any case thanks for the comment and best wishes for a safe and fun riding career!
I have a 2016 BMW s1000rr and I love the bike but I got tired of the smoothness of the inline engine this is my fourth inline motorcycle and wanted to change it up so I just recently bought a Tuono i also wanted something a little more comfortable both great bikes love the way the BMW sounds but theres nothing like the rumble from the v4 with an Akrapovic exhaust not a big fan of super loud exhaust my buddy had an rsv4 with an sc projects and that thing sounded devilish but super obnoxious to ride next to lol the akra opens it up a little and sounds great but not too loud
Perfect experience trajectory and my same impressions actually. That V4 just sounds so intoxicating doesn't it? And, I also am not a fan of overly loud exhausts....it needs to be "uncorked" a little but not almost straight through in my opinion. Enjoy that Tuono and ride safe!
Thx for the video! I’m tired of my r6, Thinking abt going s1000r or Tuono for more comfortable position. love the s1000r but that Tuono is just an amazing look bike, struggling cuz the Tuono just abt 2k expensive for both 2015s.
Vicky, they both are great bikes. I'd also ask how far away you are from an Aprilia dealer vs. a BMW dealer? There are usually more Beemer dealers around so that can be an issue. $2K is a LOT of money and I'd say it would be hard to justify unless you really LOVE the Tuono. Also, look at insurance, this can be quite a difference as well. There is no BAD choice here so it is your heart over your $$'s........good luck and let me know which one you choose!
Both in a 2017 form the BMW then has the extra Blipper and even more so the dynamic pro.
I have a BMW S1000R 2015 woolich tuned and Gillies rearsets and levers and ROX bar risers anti vibration mounts and more extras and it's amazing.
Both of these are great bikes but does the tuono have cruise control?.
Beemer is well ahead on spec imo tho.
Sorry, just seeing this! Yes the Tuono does have cruise control....there's a lot to like with the S1000R that is for sure. However for me the Tuono just clicked a few more boxes....
I have seen the new '23 S1000R and it is awesome.
@@GareyCooperdude yeah definitely. The new 23 M1000R looks even more tasty lol
Great comparison.I owned both of these bikes.The s1000r sport is better at almost everything for uk roads and the way i ride.
Tuono has that monstrous v4 and a more comfortable seat.
winner=tuono.
Yes, it is really hard to go wrong on either bike.....I've been to the UK several times, never rode there however. I'd think some of those narrow lanes could be exciting!
It seems Aprilia measured the rake from a vertical, while BMW from a horizontal.
You can convert Aprilia's measurement by drawing an imaginary triangle from the steering head vertically down, then horizontally to the front axle. All angles in a right triangle (one angle is 90 degrees) have to add up to 180. So 180-90-27=63 degrees rake from horizontal for the Aprilia.
So the rake on the BMW is actually 2 degrees steeper than on the Aprilia. But trail (horizontal distance of axle to steering head), length of wheelbase, wheel size and tire height and not least the frame all play a role in handling.
Okay! Thanks for that...I wonder why the difference there? But it explains a lot on the deviation from the specifications for the machines, if not their actual performance.
I would think the difference in angle one be because one is measuring straight up and down as 90* and the other considers straight up and down to be 0*. If you compensate for that, they are 24.8 and 27.
Probably correct there Dylan....and I think there may be a bit of guesstimate in both cases.....but good catch.
My heart goes for the Tuono but my mid 50's injured back, hip and knee say Beemer.
I get that! There is supposed to be a pretty much all new S1000R on the way for 2021 by the way.
Thanks for the well thought out comparo. Did you notice any engine vibrations on the BMW? I am in between these 2 bikes as my next. Thanks in advance- subscribed.
Chris, not really outstanding vibrations on the Beemer....the 4 cylinder does "buzz" a bit and this varies as you go higher through the different revs so that is the vibrations. But overall the motor is fairly smooth.
Good luck your selection! And remember either of them are really great motorcycles. What I typically say to the potential purchaser of either is;
#1, how far away is the nearest Aprilia dealer? There are usually many BMW dealers and much fewer Aprilia dealers. Sometimes it can be quite a distance to the nearest Aprilia dealer.
#2, will you use this machine to commute? I would have to give a nod to the Beemer on long-term mileage and reliability. Although I do not commute and my reliability experience on both has been very similar...neither perfect but both easily fixed and taken care of.
#3, price.....you can sometimes pick up great deals on either of these machines depending upon the time of year and their stock level etc. If one was significantly cheaper than the other I'd certainly factor that into my decision.
Again, good luck and good riding!
@@GareyCooperdude Awesome thanks so much for the input, it helps me a lot. Actually I took the S1000R for a test ride yesterday- no buzzing that is out of the ordinary. I've had a R6, F4i, and CB919 so have had inline 4's before :)
BMW is right around the corner from my house and also would not use the bike for commuting. Also this would be my 2nd bike- have a Yamaha FJ09 I plan on keeping so longer distance/ touring is handled.
The one thing that is keeping me from it is the riding position and also (kind of) the engine character. When I test rode it it was much more leaned over riding position I was expecting, not sure how long I could ride like that. Also the engine on the demo bike was not broken in and was limited to 9K. I know the bike makes more power and torque up higher in the RPM range, but thinking of maybe something more usable on the street (I think the BMW would make an amazing track bike). Mainly I am now considering to possibly get the BMW with handle bar risers (not sure if that would be enough) or also looking at Triumph Speed Triple. The Triple makes more torque lower in the RPMs and (I think) has more upright riding position. Also looked at the Super Duke 1290, but just don't like the looks of it.
Such a touch decision, thanks again
@@theshindogg Well certainly wish you luck on the selection and it sounds like you've got a good grasp of things to consider. It is a fairly aggressive riding position, particularly the "rider triangle" with your legs rather tucked up. I don't know about the risers.....you might try different rear sets? Anyway don't know enough to comment.
I tried the Super Duke, pretty tall for me...and the bike was very torquey, but I think that there was more than just a bit of vibration there as well.
Nothing but good reviews on the Triumphs so that is a good clear option.
Again, wish you well and ride safe!
BMW is decidedly buzzy although in '17 (i think) they vibe isolated the bars ... The 2ONO has no vibes; feet, seat or bars.
Garey, a very sensible comparo, although never could understand why you had both of these as they are "the" head-to-head competitors in the same segment. Virtually every comparison tends to be a hair-splitting exercise in the end. I personally think the Aprilia V4 is the most delightful motorcycle engine ever (have had 3 I4 BMWs). Performance wise, MCN could barely detect a .5 sec lap time difference around the track so I think it is more how they do what they do vs what they actually do which is near-identical ... The Aprilia is less comfy for taller riders. BMW has better switchgear. Aprilia chassis is legendary from RSV4 ... BMW probably a bit better fuelling/throttle response... BMW I4 a bit buzzy and revs a bit higher in top gear ... Reliability? My BMWs had their nigglies. The Aprilia has one so far. Fewer dealers for Aprilia may be an issue for some. Aprilia has no meaningful corporate or brand footprint in North America (worse in Canada) for their superbikes. Maybe an issue if you rally around a brand. If you looking for like-minded Aprilia riders, you will come across the BMW clubs while you are searching...). Every choice has trade-offs ... I had 2 Ducatis so had the Vtwin experience. The Tuono is just a little different and that makes it just a bit more fun. Novelty has yet to wear off for me...
BTW, re the head angle, subtract the BMW # from 90 degrees and you will see they are almost identical (24.8 vs 24.7).
We Canucks are still waiting for Spring...
Cheers
Constantine
Ah great input as usual Constantine! Okay that explains the radical difference in head angles.......and it shows how much (on paper) the two machines are alike!
And I'm gonna agree 100% with your own impressions on the BMW vs. Tuono bits.
In the US anyway I generally counsel people who are asking which to buy to look at their nearest dealer. The two bikes are so close that this could be a deciding factor. Here in San Diego I am pretty lucky in that dealers for both are rather nearby. But I do always say that while under warranty to do the maintenance at a qualified and listed dealer....
Best wishes for an early and wonderful spring up in Canada dude! I've always liked Canadians, I don't know why???? They probably freeze so much in winter that their hearts are warm???
Ride safe......!
Thanks, mad thanks, mate. You do know that you have the bike of the year from three of the best brands in your garage at the same time… You must be living right. Thanks for the Canadian comment…Always an open door here for a Tuono kindred spirit...
@@constantineeliadis5582 Yeah, very lucky to have them and I hope I show that. One of them came to me completely by fluke...winning the Ducati. And I cannot have three machines (shouldn't really have two when it comes to that) so one must go and I've decided it should be the Beemer.
Yes, We’re fortunate to have such 1st world worries.... the BMW is the oldest in the end...
Thinking of a GoldWing to do the west coast south from Vancouver to SD one of these years...
Hoping I win a bike like you did!!
I traded my S1r for a 2018 Tuono because BMW was all about Revs and just buzzed through the bars all the time. Hated it. Had to go. Tuono is fantastic everywhere. 2 issues for Tuono. No fuel gauge & finding neutral is a bitch.
Yes, finding neutral is a problem, noticed the same on my 2018. It works best when bike is moving.
I would recommend buying a shiftholder, wich should improve shifting a lot and help get rid of this issue: www.wsc-shop.de/images/product_images/original_images/shiftholder_rsv4_808_0_0.jpg
Great comparison vid! Now raffle that baby off with the winner being your buddies from 1Up5Down, haha.
Oh you cheater! Well I am jealous as ever of your trip to Austin and the GP! My $'s are on Marquez but my heart is with Dovi..........or in a long shot Rossi.....make a VLOG on it dude.
Marquez is totally going to take the win. I’m predicting Crutchlow for second, and Rins third, maybe Dovi.
Hahahahaha
Good Camera Angles Garey!
Thanks! Although I didn't mention it this video was a technical change with some challenges for me. When 650ib was here he was using a remote mic (by a company called Zoom) which allowed him to use two cameras, A & B, to video. I decided to give this a try and thought it would add some interest to the video instead of seeing a frozen "talking head". It's a hobby for me and it was a bit of a stretch for this old guy technically but it came out pretty well....thanks for noticing. I now have to get a better camera set up for the Panigale that works!
Which is quicker over the quarter mile?
You'd have to look through all the testing that's been done on these two machines and try to rule out the variables in search of that answer. However I would only GUESS that the Tuono could have the edge because of the greater torque output.And the seat of my pants feeling that the Tuono has a bit more "pull" down lower in the rev range. But they are so close that it would probably come down to the rider.....
Hi Garry , would like to know what miles /kms can u get out if a full tank for both bikes . Best and worst , i must say got some fine toys in Garage and out side 👍👍👍
I'd like to give you a more concise (or precise?) answer here...but being a casual rider I haven't tracked fuel consumption all that closely unfortunately. With the fuel gauge on the Beemer I head to the station when it's on the last couple of bars in the indicator. And quite often if I'm at a stop with a gas station nearby I'll take advantage to add some "just in case". But here's a guess; The Beemer can run close to 150 at a stretch....and the Aprilia is down in the 120-130 range. Now those guesses are maximums mind you, so I never have really challenged the full range in either tank.
@@GareyCooperdude cheers 👍👍👍
@@fredensminde 160kms with 12 litters (6 litters left )so to the last drop it should do roundabouts 240kms with my calculations . I've done some long trips or two with no petrol station for 180kms . Thanks for your help very much appreciated 👍👍👍👍.
S1000R over 2017 quick shifts up/down, 165Hp, electronic suspension, less gasoline consumption, look more aggressive, much more services shop, undoubtedly S1000R
As I say, no bad choices with either machine.....and mine is a 2014.
Am hard stuck between The S1000R and Super Duke R both 2017-2019 models for daily use.. what would u recommend me and why..
With NO experience on the Super Duke I feel inadequate to give you a fully informed response here.....everything I read/see about the Duke is generally good however.....the 17-19 models are supposed to be fairly "raw" per the reviews I've seen. Not entirely sure what that means......but the 17-19 S1000R gets you quick shift up and down, heated grips, cruise control, and electronic suspension (usually). And BMW's reputation for reliability which would be good for a daily rider. So, I guess I'd lean towards that....but again no direct experience on the Duke. Hope this helps?
@@GareyCooperdude Yes thank you alot , everyone keep telling me that the S1000R is a better choice 😁
@@GareyCooperdude Was also concidzring the Tuono , but again everyone keep telling thats not a daily bike..
By the way Great Choice
What about servicing?
Good question and thanks for asking. Perhaps I should have referred to this in the video. I am always assuming that people have been watching my videos in chronological order but I must remember that many times these videos are seen in a singular fashion. I say this because in past videos I did mention service and reliability issues for both machines in more detail.
I will say as far as service intervals and cost for service both the Aprilia and the BMW are quite close. I always recommend that anyone with a new machine keep returning to the dealer for service during the warranty period. This should make a serious problem more likely to be covered than otherwise. After the warranty period then one can perhaps go to a less expensive independent service or do-it-yourself.
As I am a recreational rider only I generally make sure that the machines are looked at once per year by a qualified mechanic. For either machine the cost of doing so is close enough that it would not be great enough to change a decision to one machine or the other.
Garey Cooper Thanks for the feedback, I didn’t see any of your other videos. I’ve been doing all my bike servicing myself and was wondering what these exotics were like compared to my Suzuki’s.
@@Jimo368 So I am still going to say that if you were to buy one of these new you should have the dealer service it through the warranty period. If you are doing your own servicing or it's a used bike out of warranty I am going to say that some things you can do as easily as you can on any other bike; oil changes, chain lube/changes. You may need a few different metric size tools but I don't see it being all that much different.
Having said that there are some things that could get out of reach of the home technician, these would be computer updates, valve timing/adjustment, that sort of stuff. Not having the experience I cannot tell you which of these two machines would be easier to work on...both don't seem to be maintenance intensive however.
S1000RR :)
Oh yeah, new 2020 models out which look pretty fantastic. AND, I'm thinking that next year the single "R" version will get most of the upgrades that came with the current model on the double "RR"'s. Should be quite the machine.
I have a 2016 sk1rr and have loved every minute on that bike. Just so, so smooth to ride. I think the old looks are timeless but as we know folk were quite divided on the asymmetrical lights.
I think you made a good choice 😀
I was sorry to see the Beemer go away but I am quite happy to keep the Aprilia. Thanks for the comment.
Tuono still doesn't have a fuel gauge. As it drinks so much yo are going to need it. Perhaps Aprilia deliberately don't give one on the bike as it would frighten owners how quickly it guzzles fuel.
Ha! That's funny.....maybe that is what they do. I do believe there are other bikes in the Aprilia lineup with fuel gauges? I don't know for sure. However, I CAN say that my 2018 Ducati V4S also does not have a fuel gauge......!
@@GareyCooperdude Must be an Italian thing. Another bike to cross off my list. Makes choosing a little easier. I am torn between the S1000R and Triumph's Speed Triple RS or maybe the MT10 SP. So hard to choose. Wish I had a big garage like yours for them all :@)
@@alexmorgan3435 well sure, just buy them all and put them in the garage! LOL...I've only heard good things about the MT and the Triumph....my heart would go MT because of that cross plane inline 4...never ridden either machine....but both probably very viable....ride safe no matter which way you go!
Garey Cooper Aprilia has come out and admit that they have not found accurate way to measure the fuel inside of the tank due to the shape of the tank. And given the amount of engineering that went into that bike I think the only way they can fix this is to change the shape of the tank which would compromise the seating position. After living with a MY 17 T for over 6k miles. The rule of thumb is, if you haven’t gotten gas in a little while, just stop and get some gas.
Sorry, that's pretty much bullshit. My 2018 Tuono drinks 6,5l per 100km, wich is absolutely ok. You can drive 230km till fuel light light's up. When push it hard, it needs about 7,5l, wich is still ok. Don't need the fuel gauge since most of them are inaccurate on motorcycle. Use the trip odometer, to determine when you have to refuel.
try 2017+ s1000r for comparison
bob vu I’d love to be able to do this!
Turning circle of bmw is wider in my opinion
You know this is a good comment...and I wish I had exactly explored this issue. Thanks for bringing it up. I will look at this for future review.
Tuono is better going fast bmw more suited for street and 3-4k cheaper
GneX4Ktb good observations!
S1000xr better choice all around
I did test ride the XR a while back and it would be a great choice for an all round hard working and touring machine. The motor feels very familiar from time with the S1000r....and it can be really loaded up with some nice BMW options for tour/commute...it is heavier and taller, but it also handled well enough in my humble opinion. My main complaint with the machine (as I recall) was that it is pretty tall for my own 5'10" 31" inseam frame. At stops I would have to be leaned on one side or the other, not being able to "flat foot". But that can be addressed with some adjustment. Can't fault your thinking on the machine.
Tried an XR, just could not live with the buzzing bars, pegs and tank/frame. Not for me. Drove me nuts.
@garey, after about a year of ownership do you have any follow-up between the two? I'm debating both (either a newer Tuono or older S1R). I am prioritizing comfort because I have a lingering back injury from lifting and can no longer find long-term comfort on my RSV but I also wouldn't mind taking it out on a couple track days a year. Thoughts?
Interesting question GasOnFire!
Okay let's begin by saying that there is NOT a bad answer here. Each machine is excellent and should provide plenty of smiles! So, put your mind at ease there.
Both machines would also be okay on track in my opinion. The Aprilia might be marginally faster due to the torque/horsepower/CC advantage. But that could be easily negated by the riders skills.
I think the Aprilia has a slightly more aggressive rider position. Your legs are a bit more tucked and you are leaned just a bit more over the front wheel. Not a lot, but it is there. So on the comfort side the Beemer might have the edge. Include the heated grips on the Beemer and it tilts more for comfort to the Bavarian make.
S1000R's from 2014 forward have computer controlled suspension. You can dial in comfort or soft for the street and then harden it up for the track. I don't think the Aprilia Tuono got the computer suspension until the 2020 model? Check on this to be sure but mine is a 2017 and it is not computer. Of course one can still set the suspension manually and the mechanical suspension on the Aprilia is superb, one just needs a couple of tools to adjust it.
A last thing to mention is where is your nearest dealer located? There are many more BMW dealers than Aprilia dealers and this could factor into your thinking if you do require work. Also the aftermarket bits may be more comprehensive for the Beemer.
I note you have an RSV so you know the allure of that V4, hard to beat! And you have probably done your diligence on the dealer thing......but it is worth considering.
Okay, sticking my neck out here.....Beemer for comfort over the two choices. Aprilia for track and performance.......
Good luck with your choice and let me know which way you decided!
Forgot to add! A few months ago I added dropped pegs to the Aprilia, got another couple of inches from them, they are pretty nice...I did a VLOG on them a while back. You may want to take a look at them if you go Tuono.
@@GareyCooperdude Thank you! This is helpful. I'll let you know what I get.
Aprilia !
Bmw all the way.
Tuono doesn't even looks like a naked
The BMW has all the luxury features the Aprilia is lacking
Absolutely true. BMW = fuel gauge, cruise control, hand warmers, etc. And it is interesting to note that even though I live in the warmer part of California there were many times on early mornings or later evenings when I found the hand warmers to be very nice to have. People said, "What! You don't need hand warmers in California"! BUT you know what? They were very nice........
I think that in the next year or so BMW will upgrade the S1000R to have the same technology as the newer S1000RR and they will have a full TFT screen, etc....and they will be VERY good compared to the Aprilia....
Aprilia is the bully, BMW is the geek...Lol!
luvs2race370 that’s a good way to put it!