@katsunakamura1644 And nothing's wrong with that? It's alright to have 1 unit for a specific type of game mode. Plus, there's more to the game than Harmony/Acheron/Firefly
@@MisterHeadphones73 there is problem with that, they ask you same price for a unit that work only in one game mode as for units like acheron \ ff \ feixiao who work in multiple endgame modes.
13:51 "There's no FOMO in Star Rail". I don't want to be that guy, but 10 seconds before saying that you literally described how FOMO works in this game. Either you commit to getting the character you already wanted, or you submit to the pressure of getting the new busted character because what if a new endgame mode catters only to their exclusive gameplay. That's the Fear Of Missing Out.
Honestly, felt like this for many characters with lingsha being the latest. E6 Gallagher is the goat, but I’ve heard summons will get buffed and with her being a somewhat better him has me contemplating.
That would be the essence to stay motivated and log in to the game tbh. Without goals, why would a player even play the game. And by gatekeeping the rewards players want, there will always be something that you have a goal towards, always something that is the next improvement to your team. Obviously this mainly applies to the f2p players with limited funds to acquire their specific characters, but this is also the exact thing that will push players to pay for the said characters. After all, they are only available for limited ammount of time, better not fear of missing out :p
I heard this from a CN ytber where they were talking about how Hunt may appear as though they have no cards, but they are actually the most consistent damage class in game. I will use a hypothetical to illustrate what I mean. Let's say I have 3 characters, a Hunt, a Destruction and a Erudition character. Let's say each of those characters are balanced around a number they should be doing. They all do 100 damage lets say. Pretty balanced it would seem no? A erudition character is balanced around splitting that 100 into 20's and hitting 5 enemies. A destruction splits that into 50 for the center and 25 for 2 adjacent. A Hunt hits 100 on 1 enemy. Now consider what happens when enemies start dying. Erudition's damage in this scenario now decreases by 20% per enemy that they already killed. Doing only 20% of their original damage by the end when there is say, only 1 enemy left. Destruction is doing 50% damage. But Hunt still does 100% of their damage. And this is why they are the most consistent class in game. They ALWAYS deal 100% damage. The damage decrease throughout a battle is often times ignored by people who say "Hunt has no AOE!"
People kept yapping about hunt is the worst path in the game for over a year. Now that the chips are down, weve had a seele meta, weve had a fua meta with ratio, and now we have it against with feixiao. And we have had 0 erudition character metas. Ive been saying for awhile, hunt is not as bad as people were saying, they just needed to do hunt characters that move alot, or do huge damage. And they did both.
I love how much people love to talk about whatifs, about hypotheticals, as if units in this game exist in a vacuum. Star rail aint vacuum. There is no skill. most of the time, enemy just requires one or two niche interactions to be completely nullified. Meta is dictated by enemies and blessings, not units they release. If we lived in a perfect world, sure, but hoyoverse know what they are doing. This so called consistency will fall once a blessing, for example, makes enemies unkillable unless every other enemy is on 1% hp. This entroduces A LOT of overkill damage, making hunt the worst possible. And that is just what came to my head first. This mindset only works if star rail's endgame wasnt so one dimensional and niche focused, yet it is. Neglecting it is like disregarding material degradation when designing a submarine for titanic sightseeing. We know how it turned out...
@@thatalbeeguythis just isnt true lol. Acheron has not been favored by blessings in pure fiction moc or apoc for awhile. Shes still arguably the best dps in the game. Also i would rather overkill every single enemy one by one by 100K rather than play midrudition characters that need to take 5x longer to kill any individual enemy because every single game mode right now is action value/cycle based.
@Blankanvaz what about Jing Yuan? His LL hits multiple times. In theory if there is only one target all of his LL attacks hit that target. Another example on the opposite end is Seele. Seele can't do 100% of her damage if there's only 1 target, because she needs multiple targets to chain her attacks. This is why I don't like these oversimplified explanations. The game is nuanced.
I feel like Rappa being the only new limited character this update and having Acheron and Aventurine run right after her says a lot about her strength already tbh, very much feels like a niche filler character to hold over people cause 2.7 is looking stacked
She's the AoE break unit, Boothill is the ST break unit, and Firefly is the Blast break unit. There will be some crossover, but for the most part they each have their niche where they will outshine the others. Though it seems like Firefly will be the most versatile of the three, simply due to fire implant that in turn enables Lingsha. I'm grabbing her, but I don't have any issues with end-game content. I just pull for aesthetics and I absolutely love her animations. If you're a new player, I'd skip her. Get Acheron or Aventurine, or wait to see what Sunday and Fugue are all about next patch. If you're desperate for a break DPS, wait on Firefly.
Tbh i wouldnt say Erudition is bad just not alot of characters fill all roles. Only character in erudition that has withstand the test of time and aged so well is Himeko. Shes continually improved over so many patches and i doubt that'll stop anytime soon.
Himeko and Herta are exceptional in PF, and Himeko thanks to break can even adventure outside of PF now. Jade is undoubtedly the queen of PF. She's been the best character for that mode since she was released regardless of type, especially when paired with Herta, even in non-Quantum non-Ice content. Unfortunately Argenti and Jing Yuan have had it rough, and are among the most easily skippable characters.
I feel like himekos dominance has only really been accidental. Herta himeko was obviously intended in pure fiction. But i doubt superbreak himeko was ever intended, she was in just the right place in the right time during the period they kept shilling firefly.
I keep pulling for PF units even though I don't need them 😅 80,000 on every single PF since it began, but I'm still pulling Rappa. Isn't my fault I love her design!
Why is Jing Yuan used as a baseline for erudition characters and compared to hunt characters that came out over a year later? If you wanna compare him, compare him to Seele. 💀 1.0 DPS aren’t good enough anymore. But that’s about it. 💁🏽♀️ Jade is on a completely different level.
Unlike Jade, I don't think the E1 for Rappa will "fix" her. Since I already have E1 Jade and use her in all gamemodes, I have absolutely zero interest in pulling Rappa. The next Erudition unit will most likely be real Herta so that's what i'm waiting for
The reason why some character previews in the livestream don't go too in-depth is because devs are actively updating kits even hours before the official reveal, yet they need to have all the footage prepared before that. So they only explain mechanics that were set very early during development.
you say game does not have fomo or powercreep but then go on to explain how the game does indeed have fomo and powercreep. also agreed with the sentiment of having to pull for a sig lc or eidolons to be able to "fix" the unit is complete nonsense from hoyo
Gachas have to have both of those elements or there would be no incentive to spend money on these games, it also promotes a healthy flow of non pvp games so things don’t get stale. Lightcones fixing characters is bs tho
I hope she's at least decent because those animations go hard. The graffiti aesthetic looks really nice, especially the paint trails behind her attacks, the ultimate being first person and throwing out colourful Sukuna slashes by means of gang signs/ ninja handsigns looks fun, which also sort of has "rap battle" energy to it with the way it's multiple blasts that can change targets between hits. I've heard she can deal toughness damage ignoring weaknesses which is obviously useful, though from what I know she doesn't have imaginary weakness implant which imo is a bit of a shame specifically because the idea of "painting over" the enemies' toughness bar to add the imaginary symbol seems to fit with her design, not to mention how strong that'd be along side HMC in super break teams.
So, one thing about the SuperBreak team, if you play HARM-only MC as the DPS, with Mei, Gallagher, and Pela/Jiaoqiu into an Imaginary weak enemy, HARM-only MC will do 500k-800k DMG per skill after the enemy is broken. Sure, you need to get them to ~200-250% Break Effect without buffs so that they end up at ~400% Break Effect with all the buffs, but when you hit that skill after Pela's and Ruan Mei's ults on a broken enemy, it melts anything!
Bro there's so many characters i keep telling myself I'll get on their reruns but i know I'll have to make even harder choices later 😭 (How i would kill to be a dolphin even)
I know these Hoyo jokesters are gonna rerun Firefly next to Stingyun right before announcing some crazy character to headline 3.0 so I'm going neither.
Unless they put Herta in 3.0, I'd Honestly think after they do the 2.7 Hype patch, they might cool down some in 3.0, but go Hard with 5 Star Herta in 3.1. (Not a leak but considering the Pattern of all these dang Hype cycles and cooldown cycles.
I’m going to say this right now this is not a discussion that needs to be had until people get both characters and I’ve already made up my mind and who I’m pulling for in this argument. It’s acheron it’s not even close.
Managed to drag my ticket count from 0 to a whopping 13, since draining everything for Kafka, Robin and Topaz's lc (luckily got all of them). I'll be skipping Rappa, any reruns and Sunday too. May see how Tinyun+ is looking down the line, but I'm pretty chill about storing resources and seeing what 3.0 brings
100% agree on pairing a Single Target with a Multi Target My Feixiao + Clara is a fun one that turns the Hunt General into a pseudo counter unit ! (with Robin & March-Shield, don't have Aventurine yet !)
Something that went unnoticed about Erudition against Hunt was Speed. The fastest Erudition is 104 speed. Hunt characters tend to have very fast kits compared to Erudition equivalents - this results in it being easier to get to the speed thresholds for additional turns. So most of the very successful Erudition characters have ways to throw damage onto the field, and can swing wildly if they can't. And then Hunt got FUA to help them too. And they needed it to compete with Destruction, who turn their consequence gameplay into a positive more often than not. I still think the main problem is there hasn't been a "push Erudition" character yet from Hoyoverse, an equivalent to Acheron, Firefly, or Feixiao. But I'm willing to bet said character will also be fast or just flood the board with damage without sacrifice or gimmick.
Hunt characters are kinda breaking the game tbh Feixiao simply handles multi target and single target encounters with ease and nevermind Seele being better in pure fiction than most Erudition units. Real Herta is the Emanator of Erudition so we can expect that she will be the "push" character that can handle single target and multi target encounters easily. If not her than I don't know when they would make Erudition meta.
Skipping for the confused Fox most likely. Or if she isn't great, maybe saving for 3.0. I've heard whispers of the actual Herta and the new SU mode also seems to hint at her. Regardless, I don't really need an account so broken that it can auto-battle MoC 12 or zero cycle.
Sometimes I replace Robin with Jade. Works in Simulated Universe better. I love using her with aventurine or other eruditions such as himeko against fire weak enemies
Watching Iyo beautiful mind that Rappa is gonna be break was great considering I was just looking at her team in the program: HMC, Ruan Mei, and Lingsha lmao
When it comes to erudition, all that matters is how important 1/3 of the endgame is to you. Every individual star in PF is worth a whole ass floor in MOC in terms of rewards. PF teams not only give you a return on investment much quicker than MOC teams, they are easier and cheaper to build, generally being far less strict with who you can run together, and should be the first thing you take care of to boost your jade income in order to pull for the MOC teams.
What are you even talking about? You make it sound like pure fiction gives more rewards, they literally both give exactly 800 stellar jades for full clearing lol. Floors vs stars doesn't matter, they're functionally the same thing in the end when you total up the rewards. In reality, Pure fiction should be your last you build because you can build teams that work in both MoC and Apocalyptic Shadows at the same time. Pure fiction is its own animal.
Getting 1 star in PF 4 is the equivalent of only clearing up to moc 10. It takes far less investment to get the same amount of jades in PF compared to MOC. If you pull 1 or 2 limited erudition units you can easily get full rewards, while in MOC you need at least 4 limited units (1 dps + 1supp/sustain per side) to not struggle for a full clear. It makes more sense to knock out the cheaper cost PF teams to earn the jades needed to pull the more expensive MOC teams.
The problem with this, is that since the inception of pure fiction, a team of 2 completely free characters has cleared one side. And then the strong moc characters are too strong in pure fiction. I can full star pure fiction with acheron firefly, i dont even need the herta himeko free clear because i dont wanna farm them. Imagine how easy it is if you have acheron + herta himeko.
@@wikidpsycokilla 1 star in pure fiction is 60 stellar jades, if you mean to say one floor its still not true because that is 180 stellar jades. Clearing through MOC 10 is 640 stellar jades. Whatever you're trying to say you're messing up. Regardless... you aren't going to "earn" a team from PF or any other mode, its a minor boost to your pulls and you're still better off investing in the harder modes that are more similar meaning MOC and AS cause you're getting two for one. You can get far in Pure fiction with scrapped together f2p teams mixed with whatever you get for the other modes. Its not like you're gonna get 0 stars in pure fiction because you invested in MOC and AS.
I have Acheron with JQ Boothill and Firefly as dps so I am going to skip 2.6 and look at sunday's kit and pull Fugue. I'm skipping Aventurine again because I have Fuxuan and C6 Gallagher is always enough for break teams, even for Hoolay.
It honestly does feel like erudition just lags behind everyone else. Funny enough Acheron feels like the best very of what an erudition dps could do. But I hope the summon meta brings a new style to erudition. Like maybe a character can summon dummy’s to the other side of the field and when they die. They give buffs to us, or explode giving that erudition character less wasted damage. They really just have to help these characters to not only be feel like their value is for PF/farming. Jade is in the right direction with her support but they gotta give em a little more help. Character and Lcs too
A question regarding pulls on which unit(s) shud I focus on for my two accs, both f2p & somewhat casual. 1. Has Feixiao, Jingliu, Huohuo, Robin, Ruan Mei, Ratio & Fu Xuan all E0S0 with no guarantee, lost Acheron & failed Aventurine.(March onwards - all units pulled during rerun & not including standards) 2. Has Feixiao E0S0 with guarantee, Bailu loss on Lingsha.(July onwards)
I already have Acheron and her LC and premium team (minus Aventurine) and i am not going for Aventurine either, I have HuoHuo, Lingsha and FuXuan that are quite enough. So I will get Rappa because I like her ^^ and then I don't really care about Sunday that much and Fugue seems fine but I think I am going to use 2.7 to get ready for 3.0 :)
I was saving for Rappa, but now I'm thinking I might pull for Acheron's lightcone instead since I've been using Good Night Sleep Well with her this whole time. lol I do love Rappa and her design though. So I dunno. lol
As much as I want Acheron, I don’t really have nihility in my crosshairs. I’ve set my eyes on Rappa since the moment I saw her. I just gotta cross my fingers and hope I get both early like when I got Robin and Fei Xiao. Or maybe I’ll skip Acheron and try to get Aventurine.
It's simple, if you don't really have any characters then you pull for rappa. You have hmc, gallagher, and pela that are available and easy to get. Team is done. If you don't have a lot of characters then you clearly aren't one to give af about zero cycling anything and don't need a meta team for anything. Fugue is also coming for rappa. Acheron? Better have her LC and some cracked teammates to make it worthwhile. In the end it doesn't matter, as any of these characters will be powercrept to high hell in a few months like every other character.
I have E2S1 Acheron already so I'm Grabbing Rappa, I love her Design, her animations are Top tier, (Though one could say the Animations themselves have been done dirty by being on a Skip Character). From what I have seen, Rappa's Really good in Pure Fiction, and can absolutely do okay outside of PF, Imaingary weakness or another Breakers weakness type will bring out her max Efficiency. When it comes to weakness matchups. Though if we are talking Acheron vs Rappa, Go for Acheron, She's quite a bit better then Rappa in MOC and AS, and she can still be decent in PF especially with Jiaoqiu, or if your deciding between Breakers, besides my Anti Firefly bias, Go for Firefly, she is quite a bit worse then Rappa in PF (unless your combining her with Superbreak Himeko), but she's also quite a bit better then Rappa in MOC and some of the AS matchups for sure. Firefly's absolutely Braindead to play (Which is good for Casuals), and Lingsha and Gallagher work a lot better with her then they do with BH or Rappa.
I have no himeko, no acheron, no firefly, i have an E5 gallagher and ruan mei So, yep, i think i am literally the only guy that can 100% justify pulling for rappa and never regret it 😂, PF is my weakest endgame i barely clear, i have both feixiao and ratio to clear PF and AS, i just hope i win the 50/50, i’ve been losing most of them, if i lose the 50/50 on rappa i think i’ll quit because i want to use all these cool characters and i keep losing my 50/50
Disregarding the huge dmg gap coming to the units of same class or more versatility, my main issue is nowadays every other unit is either universal toughness reduction or self weakness implant, which mostly removes element matchup & is rendering SW not much viable except the debuffs as I heard Rappa also has toughness reduction. I understand Acheron being an emanator & I hope future emanators are strong if not more atleast equal to her since IX doesn't give his powers to all whereas some literally showers it to all. So, maybe Acheron turns out to be the weakest one or the strongest one depending how Aeons get power(through worship/followers whatever) but why normal units have self implants or weakness ignore. What's the use of elemental matchup & unit/class check at this point.
Break units should all have weakness implant or ignore, otherwise they're DOA. If anything Feixiao and Acheron are the outliers; there is zero logical sense to them ignoring weakness with their Ultimates.
@@AngelOnerom Acheron, I can understand...she's an emanator but that has made some sort of floor increase for future DDs. It scares me that as more emanators get released, the floors for every path wud keep on increasing. We may very well see a team full of emanators in future even.
To be honest, I'm defo going to skip Rappa, I might do 10-20 pulls on her banner, and if she comes early, good, if not, then it's just pity for Acheron's Eidolons. I'm probably going to hold my pulls until we get more info on Sunday and Fugue because these two might be a preview of how the meta is going to work in 3.X and further so that I can make an educated decision on if I'm going to pull for E2 Acheron (Already have E0S1) or maybe Aventurine E0 or if I'm going to hold everything for 2.7 and grab a character from those two. I do not believe that Acheron is going to get power crept soon, especially E2S1 Acheron, she's probably going to be going strong throughout 3.X, now, this is mostly true if you manage to get E2S1 Acheron, with Sparkle and Jiaoqiu as well as Aventurine or FuXuan (to get Acheron close to 100% CR and 200% CD). But Sunday might be the Harmony char to end all Harmony debates or Fugue might end up bringing DoT comps back to the forefront so I'll hold my pulls and decisions till then!
I would have grabbed her if only i had win my 50/50 . Lost 5 of them and only won once. I had rather save my guaranteed for aventurine, and grab acheron lc along the way if i win that 75/25
Wish I could get Acheron lc, but Sunday is a limited harmony and I only have Mei who doesn’t feel nearly as powerful as Robin does. Not to mention the first Harmony Male other than MC. XD
I think Iyo's gonna really hate 3.0+ Amphoreus with its emphasis on new erudition units, starting with the 3.x release of an Emanator of Erudition - the 5* Herta, or the real Herta (the Lisa-like looking woman with her face hidden by a big book, wearing a huge Elaina/Snow Witch witch hat - multiple enemies, sometimes arranged in rows, who will be commonplace on 3.0+ Amphoreus; AoE attacks being favored; Sunday being a hypercarry unit, which Iyo despises; and so on.
@@IyoverseReliable leaks so far indicate Sunday will be an energy battery and energy manipulator, will action advance a single ally, a kinda "Sparkle+." What those choir possible summons shown in his splash art will do, we don't know. Will they act like the ones with the Sunday boss in Echo of War and the upcoming 2.6 Apocalyptic Shadow, I don't know. It seems he will buff DHIL, Robin, Argenti and Yunli, as he has been rumored to be early tested with them as well as with Huohuo. I read he may be even able to convert energy into skill points. We may have to wait for 2.7 beta, which you, Destiny, and Rehoo may have access to.
Rappa Looks so good bro but my reason for skipping is because I Already have a break dps which is of course Firefly plus Fugue looks so good I need another Nihility character and the fact that for what I see every Erudition Character is use for Pure Fiction but hey that’s just me ✋😅✋
I'd really rather Acheron and DHIL were switched up. I already have Acheron but i'm going for her LC. I also really liked Rappa but if i do pull on her i might not get Acheron's LC if i lose 50/50. And then there's also Fugue...
2:06 this is like the 3rd video where homeslice has mentioned that he has not caught up with the story how does a content creator not play the game? like what
By doing other things in life that don't revolve around playing a story I care little about because the Devs aren't doing a great job at story telling (currently). Content creator or not, it's not my job to play the story. It's my choice to make content, which none of it is about the story; thankfully. It's not that big 'a deal.
Im glad the community has started to catch onto the dire state of erudition characters. Ive been preaching this since day 1. Since jingyuan was weaker then seele and clunkier, when argenti came out, had pf made to shill him and it didnt matter because herta + himeko, and then jade being the final nail in the coffin. The way they have designed erudition is that the class is only good for a third of content. Not only that, but erudition is a sort of “check box”. Do you have 1 other erudition character besides herta himeko? If you do, you will NEVER need another erudition character until they announce 3 team pure fiction. And thats if you dont have any of the dps’ that are good in pf, like acheron, firefly, DOT or yunli. If you do have them, you will never, in this games lifespan until something changes drastically, ever need a “limited pure fiction character.” And thats fucked up, argenti and jing yuan are some of my favorite characters in the game, but they suck, because they are attached to the worst path. Maybe if erudition didnt suck so much I would like rappa. But thats not reality.
Rappa is an easy skip for non-break accounts. No Ruan Mei, no Rappa. Acheron works best with Black Swan/Jiaoqiu so she's an easy skip if you already have FART Comp + Superbreak. Aventurine is a must pull for newer accounts. Easy sustainability with little to no effort. DHIL shouldn't even be an option. Unless you have E1 DHIL + Signature Lightcone, I'd suggest you save your pulls for Acheron/Aventurine. E2 DHIL over E0 Acheron any day. It really depends on your account progress.
I pulled Jiaoqiu cuz I liked his design, but I don’t have Acheron, so I was thinking of pulling her on her rerun (so as to have someone with great synergy). Is Acheron still worth it, future-proof wise? Or do we think we’ll get someone else soon who works great with Jiaoqiu?
@termina2737 honestly, Jiaoqiu works with almost any team thanks to his vulnerability debuff. It makes enemies take more damage from EVERYTHING. DoT, Break damage, follow up damage, extra ultimate damage. He just synergizes extra well with Acheron.
Acheron is THE future proof DPS. Feixiao is really the only other one that can compete. As of right now Acheron is standing the test of time, 7 months and still the best DPS in many scenarios. So yeah, pick her up, you won't have regrets
I mean the only one im skipping is Ib I really want Rappa I need Acherons lc and might get her to e2 depending on my pull luck I also need Aventurine e1s1
Neither 3.X is too close. No one should be getting any new units/teams at this stage. Atp you should only be pulling as vertical investment. Ie if you have an almost complete FuA pull Aven. If you don’t have Acheron skip. If you do also skip unless you can pick up an e2 rn. If you can only get e1 then just save it for 3.X and her next reason. Don’t be surprised if 3.X units do to Acheron what she did to Jingliu.
I don't think Acheron is going to be power crept too soon, she's too strong, especially at E2S1. Maybe in 4.X, but in 3.X I still think she's gonna be top DPS (not at E0S0, but E2S1 or even E1S1 will be quite strong). Ofc everything is up to the MiHoyo gods, if they want to powercreep Acheron, they will, and it will most likely be another expy, maybe a Kianna or Elysia expy.
@@EddieBlake215 Here’s the issue. Everyone and their mother said that about Jingliu. You can still find all the videos of people saying she wouldn’t dethrone Jingliu up until like a week after release. E2s1 is a different story but much like how Acheron powercreeps e2 DHIL the 3.X units e2s1 will probably powercreep hers. Especially with Herta likely having her early debut. From a purely meta perspective I just don’t think it’s a good idea for people to be collecting new teams this close to newer and shinier patch defining units. I have e1s1 so for someone like me I could recommend going for the e2 bc the new units probably won’t be at that level, but e0 that’s a lot harder to recommend is my major point. At no Acheron I wouldn’t recommend it whatsoever. She has to be a character you really like to be worth it. Also don’t forget anni isn’t that many patches aways either and there’s no way they won’t be releasing a better unit than her. It’s just the name of the game.
@@EddieBlake215 Why go for e2s1 when you could spend that in a 3.X dps tho. If she needs all that investment to compete with the next op dps then she got powercrept.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Well, that was what I was saying, going for E2S1 (especially if you already have her at E1S1) is still a valid choice, sure, 3.X Dps might power creep her at E0S1, hell, even Feixiao somewhat power crept her if you had Aventurine, Topaz, and Robin, but E2S1 Acheron is a different beast. Talking about the new Herta, if she's Erudition, she's gonna be dogwater, like all the Erudition characters before her, honestly, I don't know why that path even exists outside of PF... I forgot about the anni, last year we got Ratio for free around the anni, and not to mention Acheron, even Ratio kicked Jingliu out of her throne; so if we get another character for free it might be a DPS ready to duke it out with E0S0 Acheron. I for one don't think Acheron is like Jingliu, Jingliu was limited in her dmg, she was ahead of DHIL just because it was much easier to build her up, then we got fewer and fewer ice-weak enemies and Acheron came around, Black Swan came around, and most enemies matched those weaknesses. Let's not forget that this game is a game where starting a fight with characters with the correct elemental attribute is 50% of winning the fight, and Acheron has a huge advantage there with her ult. Credit where credit is due, getting E0 Acheron now? a waste. Getting E0S1 Acheron now? still a waste. Getting Acheron's E2 when you already have her E1S1? clearly not a waste, especially if you already have a team for her (E6 Pela, E6 Gallagher, 160 SPD E1 Bronya at the bare minimum). All in all, squirreling your jades and pulls until 3.X hits is a good choice, but not my choice LMAO.
@@EddieBlake215 About erudition, Herta could be dogwater, but hoyo knows how to balance erudition units and chooses not to. Acheron is highkey more of an erudition unit than Jing Yuan. She’s unironically the best erudition unit in the game lmao. Acheron + JQ actually makes erudition a design mistake. Like my Acheron sales pitch is legit just imagine if erudition was actually good. I’ll come back to this point after I go over how I think hoyo will deal with the Acheron problem (AS is already signaling how they plan to do it in 3.X). Wrt to Jingliu I was mostly just drawing attention to the similar spot they occupied in the meta and how most people couldn’t fathom hoyo changing game design (hp bloat and glorious Aven stalling) that would disadvantage Jingliu. If MoC was still at 1.x difficulty there wouldn’t be much point in pulling Acheron. With that in mind Acheron’s greatest weakness and strength are kind of the same. Her strength derives from her unhinged multipliers and top class self buffing. That’s means that she’s generally a top class pick for any content but never BiS (except murdering erudition as a class lol. Good luck herta). Or rather you can see that on top of shilling the current teams, new enemies are also finding ways to nerf older teams. To give an example look at how the latest weekly boss operates. It’s aoe so one would think that Acheron is BiS against it, but they gave it the safeguard trait from AS meaning that she does significantly less damage to it until it’s been broken, and she’s not that good at breaking unlike Feixiao, and obviously our current break units FF and Boothill. This means that those units (FF especially) can perform significantly better than Acheron because the boss actively nerfs anyone who doesn’t specialize in breaking even if you were to normalize the weakness such that it’s like it’s lightning weak (the additional break and damage won’t outcompete the aforementioned teams, just due to how much faster they cleave through the bar). We can imagine something similar could easily happen for the summon meta. Ie Hoyo’s current design choice suggests that they no longer design enemies just to buff certain teams, but also to nerf all others. Like imagine a safeguard that needs you to do 8 basics against it, and coincidentally all summon dps have 4 summons and each can basic. This is obviously a very exaggerated example, but she doesn’t really have a good way to deal with something like this. I do agree that it’s unlikely hoyo will design a unit with better mvs of self-buffing anytime soon (not even Fei gets that), but I could absolutely see hoyo negating those advantages through other means. However, that being said safeguard or things like it hurt e0 Acheron way more than they do e2. So it’s likely that e2 will still be a very very competent dps (while offscreening herta), and will still be on par with the new units at worst. So yeah e1s1 havers have the green light to go full steam ahead lmao. Rt though 5* Herta either has to be the greatest char ever created or she just gets destroyed by Acheron. It doesn’t seem like she’s a summon user either so I legit have no idea how they plan on having her compete. Like the number one comparison I do when a new erudition character comes out is compare them to Acheron. Like sure Jade is pretty good at PF, but Acheron exists. Even if you bring in Jade e1 then JQ still exists. Rappa has the exact same problem. Why get her when Acheron? Like, excluding her blast, her ult does 480% additional attack PER ENEMY while STILL having the most powerful self buffing in the game (s1 Fei might overtake, haven’t done calcs on that). And considering how JQ scales with AOE it’s so so hard to imagine future erudition units keeping up. Like they will NEED super gimmicky enemies whose sole purpose is to nerf Acheron. If Herta doesn’t release alongside debuff immune enemies she’s cooked. Current leaks don’t even have her at first half so make of that what you will. Erudition is so screwed lmao.
I don't think she is that strong in lore. Not stronger then Boothill at least, he's pretty strong himself lore-wise though. Also I mean Acheron is essentially an Erudition character, meaning they can make a strong erudition character.
Honest answer, probably not? I 'personally' would do it, but that's because I love the way Seele plays way more than Acheron. However, the amount of investment you need to do on top of learning how to play her would take longer (or an insane amount of luck) than just picking up an easy top tier now. Acheron's biggest gripe is needing the other Nihility's on the team, where as Seele's biggest gripe is going to be actually building the team. Wind sets, Vonquac, Speed checks, secondary forms of DMG, etc. I love both of 'em, but Seele (going into v3.0) is a huge commitment. If you can snipe both of them tho, you're winning.
Idk i fell like she had a potencial to be the fist erudition character to be good outside PF but its like any other erudition character only good in PF and that it. Not to mention that she isnt the best erudition in the game jade is just too good and her only real competicion is argenti and we all know that argenti is trash even in PF
He was an option on a few 4 star selectors they gave out. If you dont have him already dont stress him, he cant cleanse without e2, so if he isnt running on a banner you are pulling on it will take too long to get him useable.
I love ninjas, so I'm grabbing Rappa regardless. She's probably gonna be another "E1 is needed to fix" character though. Maybe. Thoughts?
Ehh idk, she will probably be next pf only garbage unit
Probably? Argenti is the only limited 5* erudition that was low investment friendly (No eidolons/lc)
Even if Rappa needs E1 I think she'll be alright
@@MisterHeadphones73 you can cope with rappa next moc reset vs banana boss, but after that she will be just a pf bot
@katsunakamura1644 And nothing's wrong with that? It's alright to have 1 unit for a specific type of game mode. Plus, there's more to the game than Harmony/Acheron/Firefly
@@MisterHeadphones73 there is problem with that, they ask you same price for a unit that work only in one game mode as for units like acheron \ ff \ feixiao who work in multiple endgame modes.
13:51 "There's no FOMO in Star Rail". I don't want to be that guy, but 10 seconds before saying that you literally described how FOMO works in this game. Either you commit to getting the character you already wanted, or you submit to the pressure of getting the new busted character because what if a new endgame mode catters only to their exclusive gameplay. That's the Fear Of Missing Out.
Honestly, felt like this for many characters with lingsha being the latest. E6 Gallagher is the goat, but I’ve heard summons will get buffed and with her being a somewhat better him has me contemplating.
That would be the essence to stay motivated and log in to the game tbh. Without goals, why would a player even play the game. And by gatekeeping the rewards players want, there will always be something that you have a goal towards, always something that is the next improvement to your team. Obviously this mainly applies to the f2p players with limited funds to acquire their specific characters, but this is also the exact thing that will push players to pay for the said characters. After all, they are only available for limited ammount of time, better not fear of missing out :p
I heard this from a CN ytber where they were talking about how Hunt may appear as though they have no cards, but they are actually the most consistent damage class in game.
I will use a hypothetical to illustrate what I mean. Let's say I have 3 characters, a Hunt, a Destruction and a Erudition character.
Let's say each of those characters are balanced around a number they should be doing. They all do 100 damage lets say. Pretty balanced it would seem no?
A erudition character is balanced around splitting that 100 into 20's and hitting 5 enemies.
A destruction splits that into 50 for the center and 25 for 2 adjacent.
A Hunt hits 100 on 1 enemy.
Now consider what happens when enemies start dying.
Erudition's damage in this scenario now decreases by 20% per enemy that they already killed. Doing only 20% of their original damage by the end when there is say, only 1 enemy left.
Destruction is doing 50% damage.
But Hunt still does 100% of their damage. And this is why they are the most consistent class in game. They ALWAYS deal 100% damage. The damage decrease throughout a battle is often times ignored by people who say "Hunt has no AOE!"
... This is an amazing hypothetical that creates an inarguable statement in most situations. I love this.
People kept yapping about hunt is the worst path in the game for over a year. Now that the chips are down, weve had a seele meta, weve had a fua meta with ratio, and now we have it against with feixiao. And we have had 0 erudition character metas. Ive been saying for awhile, hunt is not as bad as people were saying, they just needed to do hunt characters that move alot, or do huge damage. And they did both.
I love how much people love to talk about whatifs, about hypotheticals, as if units in this game exist in a vacuum. Star rail aint vacuum. There is no skill. most of the time, enemy just requires one or two niche interactions to be completely nullified. Meta is dictated by enemies and blessings, not units they release. If we lived in a perfect world, sure, but hoyoverse know what they are doing. This so called consistency will fall once a blessing, for example, makes enemies unkillable unless every other enemy is on 1% hp. This entroduces A LOT of overkill damage, making hunt the worst possible. And that is just what came to my head first. This mindset only works if star rail's endgame wasnt so one dimensional and niche focused, yet it is. Neglecting it is like disregarding material degradation when designing a submarine for titanic sightseeing. We know how it turned out...
@@thatalbeeguythis just isnt true lol. Acheron has not been favored by blessings in pure fiction moc or apoc for awhile. Shes still arguably the best dps in the game.
Also i would rather overkill every single enemy one by one by 100K rather than play midrudition characters that need to take 5x longer to kill any individual enemy because every single game mode right now is action value/cycle based.
@Blankanvaz what about Jing Yuan? His LL hits multiple times. In theory if there is only one target all of his LL attacks hit that target.
Another example on the opposite end is Seele. Seele can't do 100% of her damage if there's only 1 target, because she needs multiple targets to chain her attacks.
This is why I don't like these oversimplified explanations. The game is nuanced.
I feel like Rappa being the only new limited character this update and having Acheron and Aventurine run right after her says a lot about her strength already tbh, very much feels like a niche filler character to hold over people cause 2.7 is looking stacked
She's the AoE break unit, Boothill is the ST break unit, and Firefly is the Blast break unit.
There will be some crossover, but for the most part they each have their niche where they will outshine the others. Though it seems like Firefly will be the most versatile of the three, simply due to fire implant that in turn enables Lingsha.
I'm grabbing her, but I don't have any issues with end-game content. I just pull for aesthetics and I absolutely love her animations.
If you're a new player, I'd skip her. Get Acheron or Aventurine, or wait to see what Sunday and Fugue are all about next patch. If you're desperate for a break DPS, wait on Firefly.
I think Lingsha is better ‘Erudition’ character than most Erudition characters and heals 😆
Underrated comment! Lingsha doing 500k dmg on 5 targets when all of them are broken is crazy! OFC HARM-only MC is required but still!
@@EddieBlake215until fugue and Sunday come out 😉
@@UltimateAnimeGuru she is not and you guys need to stop underrating Erudition characters
Tbh i wouldnt say Erudition is bad just not alot of characters fill all roles. Only character in erudition that has withstand the test of time and aged so well is Himeko. Shes continually improved over so many patches and i doubt that'll stop anytime soon.
Himeko and Herta are exceptional in PF, and Himeko thanks to break can even adventure outside of PF now.
Jade is undoubtedly the queen of PF. She's been the best character for that mode since she was released regardless of type, especially when paired with Herta, even in non-Quantum non-Ice content.
Unfortunately Argenti and Jing Yuan have had it rough, and are among the most easily skippable characters.
I feel like himekos dominance has only really been accidental. Herta himeko was obviously intended in pure fiction. But i doubt superbreak himeko was ever intended, she was in just the right place in the right time during the period they kept shilling firefly.
Characters that need eidolons to "fix" or "complete" their kits feels like we're paying for a DLC inside a DLC.
You'd only get Rappa if you dont have 2 pure fiction dps'
But everyone has Herta and Himeko at this point so...
Me personally im going for acheron
Well, most run herta and himeko in the same team, so Rappa could be used as hypercarry in the 2nd node
@@Animefan_7153-0 Yeah if you skipped jade sure, but you can also just use acheron in PF lol
acheron IS my second pure fiction dps XD
I keep pulling for PF units even though I don't need them 😅
80,000 on every single PF since it began, but I'm still pulling Rappa. Isn't my fault I love her design!
@@insertnamehere2022 Acheron if you have Black Swan or Jiaoqiu. Acheron is mid in PF without them to carry her.
Why is Jing Yuan used as a baseline for erudition characters and compared to hunt characters that came out over a year later? If you wanna compare him, compare him to Seele. 💀 1.0 DPS aren’t good enough anymore. But that’s about it. 💁🏽♀️ Jade is on a completely different level.
I'm pulling simply because
1. Ninja
2. THOOOONG
Horny bonk 🔨
That thong thong tho-tho-thong!
Very Silver Wolf coded 😅
I need this ninja
That thong do be nice tho 🤤 silver wolf and rappa are my favorite when it comes to character designs.
Unlike Jade, I don't think the E1 for Rappa will "fix" her. Since I already have E1 Jade and use her in all gamemodes, I have absolutely zero interest in pulling Rappa. The next Erudition unit will most likely be real Herta so that's what i'm waiting for
I would have picked Rappa up if i didnt spent all my funds on Lingsha
The reason why some character previews in the livestream don't go too in-depth is because devs are actively updating kits even hours before the official reveal, yet they need to have all the footage prepared before that. So they only explain mechanics that were set very early during development.
Not mentioned but aventurine my goat🗣️
4:36 samurai champloo is peak
5:08 one of my mains 🤣
you say game does not have fomo or powercreep but then go on to explain how the game does indeed have fomo and powercreep. also agreed with the sentiment of having to pull for a sig lc or eidolons to be able to "fix" the unit is complete nonsense from hoyo
Gachas have to have both of those elements or there would be no incentive to spend money on these games, it also promotes a healthy flow of non pvp games so things don’t get stale. Lightcones fixing characters is bs tho
Rappa getting skipped for me. Saving for e1 adventurine
I hope she's at least decent because those animations go hard. The graffiti aesthetic looks really nice, especially the paint trails behind her attacks, the ultimate being first person and throwing out colourful Sukuna slashes by means of gang signs/ ninja handsigns looks fun, which also sort of has "rap battle" energy to it with the way it's multiple blasts that can change targets between hits.
I've heard she can deal toughness damage ignoring weaknesses which is obviously useful, though from what I know she doesn't have imaginary weakness implant which imo is a bit of a shame specifically because the idea of "painting over" the enemies' toughness bar to add the imaginary symbol seems to fit with her design, not to mention how strong that'd be along side HMC in super break teams.
So, one thing about the SuperBreak team, if you play HARM-only MC as the DPS, with Mei, Gallagher, and Pela/Jiaoqiu into an Imaginary weak enemy, HARM-only MC will do 500k-800k DMG per skill after the enemy is broken. Sure, you need to get them to ~200-250% Break Effect without buffs so that they end up at ~400% Break Effect with all the buffs, but when you hit that skill after Pela's and Ruan Mei's ults on a broken enemy, it melts anything!
Props for knowing about the champloo one of the most slept on anime’s
That is literally my favorite anime. lol I HAVE to know about it.
@@Iyoverse easily in my top 5 of all time 🤙🏽 great ones like this are truly a rare find these days
we really need it to be more popular fr
Bro there's so many characters i keep telling myself I'll get on their reruns but i know I'll have to make even harder choices later 😭
(How i would kill to be a dolphin even)
Rappa LC gives action advance and her ult gives extra turn so u can’t complain unless her scaling sucks
Nah I'm overlooking everything for Sunday and tingyun. I have Acheron aventurine boothill and firefly I'm completel
Skipping 2.6 because 2.7 is cooking way harder
No way bro is even asking the question 😂
I'm planning on getting the following in the next patch:
1. Acheron
2. Adventurine
3. Acheron's LC (hopefully)
- Hopefully a few pulls of Pela as well
Bro can Pela hop off the banners 😭😭 where is my goat sushang at
Acheron. Next.
Thanks
Fexiao is my Acheron
She needs Jiaoqiu and her LC tho. Everyone has Ruan Mei and Hmc.
@@sct77 YALL are taking this comment too seriously
@@Giztodo I mean you might have meant it as a joke but basically everyone agrees with it lol
I know these Hoyo jokesters are gonna rerun Firefly next to Stingyun right before announcing some crazy character to headline 3.0 so I'm going neither.
Unless they put Herta in 3.0, I'd Honestly think after they do the 2.7 Hype patch, they might cool down some in 3.0, but go Hard with 5 Star Herta in 3.1. (Not a leak but considering the Pattern of all these dang Hype cycles and cooldown cycles.
I’m going to say this right now this is not a discussion that needs to be had until people get both characters and I’ve already made up my mind and who I’m pulling for in this argument. It’s acheron it’s not even close.
Managed to drag my ticket count from 0 to a whopping 13, since draining everything for Kafka, Robin and Topaz's lc (luckily got all of them). I'll be skipping Rappa, any reruns and Sunday too. May see how Tinyun+ is looking down the line, but I'm pretty chill about storing resources and seeing what 3.0 brings
Youve cleared my internal turmoil so i can finally pull for aventurine with peace of mind
100% agree on pairing a Single Target with a Multi Target
My Feixiao + Clara is a fun one that turns the Hunt General into a pseudo counter unit ! (with Robin & March-Shield, don't have Aventurine yet !)
For that i use Feixiao Jade Robin Lingsha 😅, Jade skil in Lingsha cus she is E0
Something that went unnoticed about Erudition against Hunt was Speed. The fastest Erudition is 104 speed. Hunt characters tend to have very fast kits compared to Erudition equivalents - this results in it being easier to get to the speed thresholds for additional turns. So most of the very successful Erudition characters have ways to throw damage onto the field, and can swing wildly if they can't. And then Hunt got FUA to help them too. And they needed it to compete with Destruction, who turn their consequence gameplay into a positive more often than not.
I still think the main problem is there hasn't been a "push Erudition" character yet from Hoyoverse, an equivalent to Acheron, Firefly, or Feixiao. But I'm willing to bet said character will also be fast or just flood the board with damage without sacrifice or gimmick.
Hunt characters are kinda breaking the game tbh Feixiao simply handles multi target and single target encounters with ease and nevermind Seele being better in pure fiction than most Erudition units.
Real Herta is the Emanator of Erudition so we can expect that she will be the "push" character that can handle single target and multi target encounters easily. If not her than I don't know when they would make Erudition meta.
Nice to see you back doing good content. Keep it up daug 💪🏻
Skipping for the confused Fox most likely. Or if she isn't great, maybe saving for 3.0. I've heard whispers of the actual Herta and the new SU mode also seems to hint at her. Regardless, I don't really need an account so broken that it can auto-battle MoC 12 or zero cycle.
Sometimes I replace Robin with Jade. Works in Simulated Universe better. I love using her with aventurine or other eruditions such as himeko against fire weak enemies
Lmfao this patch is the easiest skip ever especially as a day one player
Watching Iyo beautiful mind that Rappa is gonna be break was great considering I was just looking at her team in the program: HMC, Ruan Mei, and Lingsha lmao
When it comes to erudition, all that matters is how important 1/3 of the endgame is to you. Every individual star in PF is worth a whole ass floor in MOC in terms of rewards. PF teams not only give you a return on investment much quicker than MOC teams, they are easier and cheaper to build, generally being far less strict with who you can run together, and should be the first thing you take care of to boost your jade income in order to pull for the MOC teams.
What are you even talking about? You make it sound like pure fiction gives more rewards, they literally both give exactly 800 stellar jades for full clearing lol. Floors vs stars doesn't matter, they're functionally the same thing in the end when you total up the rewards.
In reality, Pure fiction should be your last you build because you can build teams that work in both MoC and Apocalyptic Shadows at the same time. Pure fiction is its own animal.
Getting 1 star in PF 4 is the equivalent of only clearing up to moc 10. It takes far less investment to get the same amount of jades in PF compared to MOC. If you pull 1 or 2 limited erudition units you can easily get full rewards, while in MOC you need at least 4 limited units (1 dps + 1supp/sustain per side) to not struggle for a full clear. It makes more sense to knock out the cheaper cost PF teams to earn the jades needed to pull the more expensive MOC teams.
The problem with this, is that since the inception of pure fiction, a team of 2 completely free characters has cleared one side. And then the strong moc characters are too strong in pure fiction. I can full star pure fiction with acheron firefly, i dont even need the herta himeko free clear because i dont wanna farm them. Imagine how easy it is if you have acheron + herta himeko.
@@wikidpsycokilla 1 star in pure fiction is 60 stellar jades, if you mean to say one floor its still not true because that is 180 stellar jades. Clearing through MOC 10 is 640 stellar jades. Whatever you're trying to say you're messing up.
Regardless... you aren't going to "earn" a team from PF or any other mode, its a minor boost to your pulls and you're still better off investing in the harder modes that are more similar meaning MOC and AS cause you're getting two for one. You can get far in Pure fiction with scrapped together f2p teams mixed with whatever you get for the other modes. Its not like you're gonna get 0 stars in pure fiction because you invested in MOC and AS.
@@Tryphikik If you are that bad at math its no surprise you cant understand why an investment with lower cost and faster ROI should be done first.
All they need to do to fix erudition is start (or rather continue) to make apocalyptic shadow a little more AOE focused
Blud must be running out of ideas to come up with this video 😂
(still watched everything tho)
I have Acheron with JQ Boothill and Firefly as dps so I am going to skip 2.6 and look at sunday's kit and pull Fugue. I'm skipping Aventurine again because I have Fuxuan and C6 Gallagher is always enough for break teams, even for Hoolay.
Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
It honestly does feel like erudition just lags behind everyone else. Funny enough Acheron feels like the best very of what an erudition dps could do. But I hope the summon meta brings a new style to erudition. Like maybe a character can summon dummy’s to the other side of the field and when they die. They give buffs to us, or explode giving that erudition character less wasted damage.
They really just have to help these characters to not only be feel like their value is for PF/farming. Jade is in the right direction with her support but they gotta give em a little more help. Character and Lcs too
A question regarding pulls on which unit(s) shud I focus on for my two accs, both f2p & somewhat casual.
1. Has Feixiao, Jingliu, Huohuo, Robin, Ruan Mei, Ratio & Fu Xuan all E0S0 with no guarantee, lost Acheron & failed Aventurine.(March onwards - all units pulled during rerun & not including standards)
2. Has Feixiao E0S0 with guarantee, Bailu loss on Lingsha.(July onwards)
Just want to point out that you did not actually ask any question.
@@vetreas366 I did ask regarding pulls but it maybe wasn't clear, my bad. I've edited it.
I already have Acheron and her LC and premium team (minus Aventurine) and i am not going for Aventurine either, I have HuoHuo, Lingsha and FuXuan that are quite enough. So I will get Rappa because I like her ^^ and then I don't really care about Sunday that much and Fugue seems fine but I think I am going to use 2.7 to get ready for 3.0 :)
Samurai Champloo and Ninja Scroll are goated! Ninja Scroll is one of my favorites! Easily in my top 5!
I was saving for Rappa, but now I'm thinking I might pull for Acheron's lightcone instead since I've been using Good Night Sleep Well with her this whole time. lol
I do love Rappa and her design though. So I dunno. lol
I'll be completely honest
I'd how bad rappa is I'm pulling her and her light cone
And no one can stop me
As much as I want Acheron, I don’t really have nihility in my crosshairs. I’ve set my eyes on Rappa since the moment I saw her.
I just gotta cross my fingers and hope I get both early like when I got Robin and Fei Xiao. Or maybe I’ll skip Acheron and try to get Aventurine.
It's simple, if you don't really have any characters then you pull for rappa. You have hmc, gallagher, and pela that are available and easy to get. Team is done. If you don't have a lot of characters then you clearly aren't one to give af about zero cycling anything and don't need a meta team for anything. Fugue is also coming for rappa. Acheron? Better have her LC and some cracked teammates to make it worthwhile. In the end it doesn't matter, as any of these characters will be powercrept to high hell in a few months like every other character.
Are you talking about mfing Manyu Scroll or the 2003 NInja Scroll ??? if it's former then i shall say "bold words coming from F95 man"
AYO RELAX! LMFAO Stop exposing me like this & the fact that I know what Manyu Scroll is makes it worse.
@@Iyoverse PART OF THE SHIP PART OF THE CREW
I have E2S1 Acheron already so I'm Grabbing Rappa, I love her Design, her animations are Top tier, (Though one could say the Animations themselves have been done dirty by being on a Skip Character). From what I have seen, Rappa's Really good in Pure Fiction, and can absolutely do okay outside of PF, Imaingary weakness or another Breakers weakness type will bring out her max Efficiency. When it comes to weakness matchups.
Though if we are talking Acheron vs Rappa, Go for Acheron, She's quite a bit better then Rappa in MOC and AS, and she can still be decent in PF especially with Jiaoqiu, or if your deciding between Breakers, besides my Anti Firefly bias, Go for Firefly, she is quite a bit worse then Rappa in PF (unless your combining her with Superbreak Himeko), but she's also quite a bit better then Rappa in MOC and some of the AS matchups for sure. Firefly's absolutely Braindead to play (Which is good for Casuals), and Lingsha and Gallagher work a lot better with her then they do with BH or Rappa.
Acheron, but Rappa wins if you didn't max out Acheron's traces.
I have no himeko, no acheron, no firefly, i have an E5 gallagher and ruan mei
So, yep, i think i am literally the only guy that can 100% justify pulling for rappa and never regret it 😂, PF is my weakest endgame i barely clear, i have both feixiao and ratio to clear PF and AS, i just hope i win the 50/50, i’ve been losing most of them, if i lose the 50/50 on rappa i think i’ll quit because i want to use all these cool characters and i keep losing my 50/50
Disregarding the huge dmg gap coming to the units of same class or more versatility, my main issue is nowadays every other unit is either universal toughness reduction or self weakness implant, which mostly removes element matchup & is rendering SW not much viable except the debuffs as I heard Rappa also has toughness reduction.
I understand Acheron being an emanator & I hope future emanators are strong if not more atleast equal to her since IX doesn't give his powers to all whereas some literally showers it to all. So, maybe Acheron turns out to be the weakest one or the strongest one depending how Aeons get power(through worship/followers whatever) but why normal units have self implants or weakness ignore. What's the use of elemental matchup & unit/class check at this point.
Break units should all have weakness implant or ignore, otherwise they're DOA. If anything Feixiao and Acheron are the outliers; there is zero logical sense to them ignoring weakness with their Ultimates.
@@AngelOnerom Acheron, I can understand...she's an emanator but that has made some sort of floor increase for future DDs. It scares me that as more emanators get released, the floors for every path wud keep on increasing. We may very well see a team full of emanators in future even.
you got me fucked up at the " anything from the edo tensei period " naaaah
To be honest, I'm defo going to skip Rappa, I might do 10-20 pulls on her banner, and if she comes early, good, if not, then it's just pity for Acheron's Eidolons. I'm probably going to hold my pulls until we get more info on Sunday and Fugue because these two might be a preview of how the meta is going to work in 3.X and further so that I can make an educated decision on if I'm going to pull for E2 Acheron (Already have E0S1) or maybe Aventurine E0 or if I'm going to hold everything for 2.7 and grab a character from those two. I do not believe that Acheron is going to get power crept soon, especially E2S1 Acheron, she's probably going to be going strong throughout 3.X, now, this is mostly true if you manage to get E2S1 Acheron, with Sparkle and Jiaoqiu as well as Aventurine or FuXuan (to get Acheron close to 100% CR and 200% CD). But Sunday might be the Harmony char to end all Harmony debates or Fugue might end up bringing DoT comps back to the forefront so I'll hold my pulls and decisions till then!
I would have grabbed her if only i had win my 50/50 .
Lost 5 of them and only won once.
I had rather save my guaranteed for aventurine, and grab acheron lc along the way if i win that 75/25
Wish I could get Acheron lc, but Sunday is a limited harmony and I only have Mei who doesn’t feel nearly as powerful as Robin does. Not to mention the first Harmony Male other than MC. XD
Havent watched the vid, but will pull as f2p because I desperately need a super break DPS
I think Iyo's gonna really hate 3.0+ Amphoreus with its emphasis on new erudition units, starting with the 3.x release of an Emanator of Erudition - the 5* Herta, or the real Herta (the Lisa-like looking woman with her face hidden by a big book, wearing a huge Elaina/Snow Witch witch hat - multiple enemies, sometimes arranged in rows, who will be commonplace on 3.0+ Amphoreus; AoE attacks being favored; Sunday being a hypercarry unit, which Iyo despises; and so on.
We know Sunday's kit already?
@@IyoverseReliable leaks so far indicate Sunday will be an energy battery and energy manipulator, will action advance a single ally, a kinda "Sparkle+." What those choir possible summons shown in his splash art will do, we don't know. Will they act like the ones with the Sunday boss in Echo of War and the upcoming 2.6 Apocalyptic Shadow, I don't know. It seems he will buff DHIL, Robin, Argenti and Yunli, as he has been rumored to be early tested with them as well as with Huohuo. I read he may be even able to convert energy into skill points. We may have to wait for 2.7 beta, which you, Destiny, and Rehoo may have access to.
Maybe Rappa will be a good unit for a team with Boothill, making him stronger.
Rappa Looks so good bro but my reason for skipping is because I Already have a break dps which is of course Firefly plus Fugue looks so good I need another Nihility character and the fact that for what I see every Erudition Character is use for Pure Fiction but hey that’s just me ✋😅✋
I'd really rather Acheron and DHIL were switched up. I already have Acheron but i'm going for her LC. I also really liked Rappa but if i do pull on her i might not get Acheron's LC if i lose 50/50. And then there's also Fugue...
2:06
this is like the 3rd video where homeslice has mentioned that he has not caught up with the story
how does a content creator not play the game?
like what
By doing other things in life that don't revolve around playing a story I care little about because the Devs aren't doing a great job at story telling (currently). Content creator or not, it's not my job to play the story. It's my choice to make content, which none of it is about the story; thankfully. It's not that big 'a deal.
Im glad the community has started to catch onto the dire state of erudition characters. Ive been preaching this since day 1. Since jingyuan was weaker then seele and clunkier, when argenti came out, had pf made to shill him and it didnt matter because herta + himeko, and then jade being the final nail in the coffin.
The way they have designed erudition is that the class is only good for a third of content. Not only that, but erudition is a sort of “check box”. Do you have 1 other erudition character besides herta himeko? If you do, you will NEVER need another erudition character until they announce 3 team pure fiction. And thats if you dont have any of the dps’ that are good in pf, like acheron, firefly, DOT or yunli. If you do have them, you will never, in this games lifespan until something changes drastically, ever need a “limited pure fiction character.”
And thats fucked up, argenti and jing yuan are some of my favorite characters in the game, but they suck, because they are attached to the worst path. Maybe if erudition didnt suck so much I would like rappa. But thats not reality.
Rappa is an easy skip for non-break accounts. No Ruan Mei, no Rappa. Acheron works best with Black Swan/Jiaoqiu so she's an easy skip if you already have FART Comp + Superbreak. Aventurine is a must pull for newer accounts. Easy sustainability with little to no effort. DHIL shouldn't even be an option. Unless you have E1 DHIL + Signature Lightcone, I'd suggest you save your pulls for Acheron/Aventurine. E2 DHIL over E0 Acheron any day. It really depends on your account progress.
I have E1S1 Jade and shes one of the most beastly chars on my account
I need them to let Boot curse 😭 his accent is enough he don’t need to be fake pg too 😂
He literally said: “we’ll fork me” once. Big pause
They put Acheron and Aventurine on 2nd half banner... Rappa isn't gonna sell very well, and the know that. Thus the 2nd half banner lol
I pulled Jiaoqiu cuz I liked his design, but I don’t have Acheron, so I was thinking of pulling her on her rerun (so as to have someone with great synergy). Is Acheron still worth it, future-proof wise? Or do we think we’ll get someone else soon who works great with Jiaoqiu?
@termina2737 honestly, Jiaoqiu works with almost any team thanks to his vulnerability debuff. It makes enemies take more damage from EVERYTHING. DoT, Break damage, follow up damage, extra ultimate damage. He just synergizes extra well with Acheron.
Acheron is THE future proof DPS. Feixiao is really the only other one that can compete.
As of right now Acheron is standing the test of time, 7 months and still the best DPS in many scenarios.
So yeah, pick her up, you won't have regrets
Been using E0S0 Acheron for the last 7 months in all game modes I think she is still really good and Jiaoqiu makes her way better.
Would you max her traces tho
thinkin i might take my acheron from e4 to e6 since i have firefly, but idk rappa looks neat
I mean the only one im skipping is Ib I really want Rappa I need Acherons lc and might get her to e2 depending on my pull luck I also need Aventurine e1s1
I am gonna try pull rappa if I win good, but if I lose hell yeah guarantee Sunday
Im just happy tingyun is a buffer so i dont need e2 acheron now
BLADE RERUN 2.7
Blade is mid af
Neither 3.X is too close. No one should be getting any new units/teams at this stage.
Atp you should only be pulling as vertical investment. Ie if you have an almost complete FuA pull Aven.
If you don’t have Acheron skip. If you do also skip unless you can pick up an e2 rn. If you can only get e1 then just save it for 3.X and her next reason.
Don’t be surprised if 3.X units do to Acheron what she did to Jingliu.
I don't think Acheron is going to be power crept too soon, she's too strong, especially at E2S1. Maybe in 4.X, but in 3.X I still think she's gonna be top DPS (not at E0S0, but E2S1 or even E1S1 will be quite strong).
Ofc everything is up to the MiHoyo gods, if they want to powercreep Acheron, they will, and it will most likely be another expy, maybe a Kianna or Elysia expy.
@@EddieBlake215 Here’s the issue. Everyone and their mother said that about Jingliu. You can still find all the videos of people saying she wouldn’t dethrone Jingliu up until like a week after release.
E2s1 is a different story but much like how Acheron powercreeps e2 DHIL the 3.X units e2s1 will probably powercreep hers. Especially with Herta likely having her early debut.
From a purely meta perspective I just don’t think it’s a good idea for people to be collecting new teams this close to newer and shinier patch defining units. I have e1s1 so for someone like me I could recommend going for the e2 bc the new units probably won’t be at that level, but e0 that’s a lot harder to recommend is my major point. At no Acheron I wouldn’t recommend it whatsoever. She has to be a character you really like to be worth it.
Also don’t forget anni isn’t that many patches aways either and there’s no way they won’t be releasing a better unit than her. It’s just the name of the game.
@@EddieBlake215 Why go for e2s1 when you could spend that in a 3.X dps tho. If she needs all that investment to compete with the next op dps then she got powercrept.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg
Well, that was what I was saying, going for E2S1 (especially if you already have her at E1S1) is still a valid choice, sure, 3.X Dps might power creep her at E0S1, hell, even Feixiao somewhat power crept her if you had Aventurine, Topaz, and Robin, but E2S1 Acheron is a different beast.
Talking about the new Herta, if she's Erudition, she's gonna be dogwater, like all the Erudition characters before her, honestly, I don't know why that path even exists outside of PF...
I forgot about the anni, last year we got Ratio for free around the anni, and not to mention Acheron, even Ratio kicked Jingliu out of her throne; so if we get another character for free it might be a DPS ready to duke it out with E0S0 Acheron.
I for one don't think Acheron is like Jingliu, Jingliu was limited in her dmg, she was ahead of DHIL just because it was much easier to build her up, then we got fewer and fewer ice-weak enemies and Acheron came around, Black Swan came around, and most enemies matched those weaknesses. Let's not forget that this game is a game where starting a fight with characters with the correct elemental attribute is 50% of winning the fight, and Acheron has a huge advantage there with her ult.
Credit where credit is due, getting E0 Acheron now? a waste. Getting E0S1 Acheron now? still a waste. Getting Acheron's E2 when you already have her E1S1? clearly not a waste, especially if you already have a team for her (E6 Pela, E6 Gallagher, 160 SPD E1 Bronya at the bare minimum). All in all, squirreling your jades and pulls until 3.X hits is a good choice, but not my choice LMAO.
@@EddieBlake215 About erudition, Herta could be dogwater, but hoyo knows how to balance erudition units and chooses not to. Acheron is highkey more of an erudition unit than Jing Yuan. She’s unironically the best erudition unit in the game lmao. Acheron + JQ actually makes erudition a design mistake. Like my Acheron sales pitch is legit just imagine if erudition was actually good. I’ll come back to this point after I go over how I think hoyo will deal with the Acheron problem (AS is already signaling how they plan to do it in 3.X).
Wrt to Jingliu I was mostly just drawing attention to the similar spot they occupied in the meta and how most people couldn’t fathom hoyo changing game design (hp bloat and glorious Aven stalling) that would disadvantage Jingliu. If MoC was still at 1.x difficulty there wouldn’t be much point in pulling Acheron.
With that in mind Acheron’s greatest weakness and strength are kind of the same. Her strength derives from her unhinged multipliers and top class self buffing. That’s means that she’s generally a top class pick for any content but never BiS (except murdering erudition as a class lol. Good luck herta). Or rather you can see that on top of shilling the current teams, new enemies are also finding ways to nerf older teams.
To give an example look at how the latest weekly boss operates. It’s aoe so one would think that Acheron is BiS against it, but they gave it the safeguard trait from AS meaning that she does significantly less damage to it until it’s been broken, and she’s not that good at breaking unlike Feixiao, and obviously our current break units FF and Boothill.
This means that those units (FF especially) can perform significantly better than Acheron because the boss actively nerfs anyone who doesn’t specialize in breaking even if you were to normalize the weakness such that it’s like it’s lightning weak (the additional break and damage won’t outcompete the aforementioned teams, just due to how much faster they cleave through the bar).
We can imagine something similar could easily happen for the summon meta. Ie Hoyo’s current design choice suggests that they no longer design enemies just to buff certain teams, but also to nerf all others.
Like imagine a safeguard that needs you to do 8 basics against it, and coincidentally all summon dps have 4 summons and each can basic. This is obviously a very exaggerated example, but she doesn’t really have a good way to deal with something like this.
I do agree that it’s unlikely hoyo will design a unit with better mvs of self-buffing anytime soon (not even Fei gets that), but I could absolutely see hoyo negating those advantages through other means.
However, that being said safeguard or things like it hurt e0 Acheron way more than they do e2. So it’s likely that e2 will still be a very very competent dps (while offscreening herta), and will still be on par with the new units at worst. So yeah e1s1 havers have the green light to go full steam ahead lmao.
Rt though 5* Herta either has to be the greatest char ever created or she just gets destroyed by Acheron. It doesn’t seem like she’s a summon user either so I legit have no idea how they plan on having her compete. Like the number one comparison I do when a new erudition character comes out is compare them to Acheron. Like sure Jade is pretty good at PF, but Acheron exists. Even if you bring in Jade e1 then JQ still exists. Rappa has the exact same problem. Why get her when Acheron? Like, excluding her blast, her ult does 480% additional attack PER ENEMY while STILL having the most powerful self buffing in the game (s1 Fei might overtake, haven’t done calcs on that). And considering how JQ scales with AOE it’s so so hard to imagine future erudition units keeping up. Like they will NEED super gimmicky enemies whose sole purpose is to nerf Acheron.
If Herta doesn’t release alongside debuff immune enemies she’s cooked. Current leaks don’t even have her at first half so make of that what you will. Erudition is so screwed lmao.
My brother just said the "edo tensei period" 😅
Thanks hsr devs for giving us a skip patch LMAO (assuming one already has units like Acheron)
i have e0s1 acheron should i pull for e1 or get rappa or wait for fugue or sunday i have firefly on my other team so i dont neccesarily need rappa.
Always is better new character before any E1.
@@XiasGaming ig so bc in battle my acheron have 100+ crit rate 320+ crit dmg with sparkle e0s1 and fuxuan and i also want acheron's E2
I don't think she is that strong in lore. Not stronger then Boothill at least, he's pretty strong himself lore-wise though. Also I mean Acheron is essentially an Erudition character, meaning they can make a strong erudition character.
🤔 Wasn’t there a rapping npc in Belabog?
I do really wanna pull her but when sunday is next ☠️🙏
I never hear what he says at the start “gen she you go baby” what is he saying
Henshin a go go
It’s from Viewtiful Joe I believe
@@EzraGenesis1 ohh thanks he says it so fast I can’t understand 💀
14:51 what if im fine with puting time into playing seele though? should i pick her over acheron or no?
Shes just way too high investment, if you havent been farming her since 1.0 shes just not worth picking up today
@@insertnamehere2022 i have good pieces on quantum set already
@@plill0_wmcfethers708 good is not enough they'd have to be perfect, 100% CR 200% CD lots of atk and the right teammates
Honest answer, probably not? I 'personally' would do it, but that's because I love the way Seele plays way more than Acheron. However, the amount of investment you need to do on top of learning how to play her would take longer (or an insane amount of luck) than just picking up an easy top tier now. Acheron's biggest gripe is needing the other Nihility's on the team, where as Seele's biggest gripe is going to be actually building the team. Wind sets, Vonquac, Speed checks, secondary forms of DMG, etc. I love both of 'em, but Seele (going into v3.0) is a huge commitment. If you can snipe both of them tho, you're winning.
thanks. i love figuring out how to play hard characters so i might still pull her but probably not
I hope Rappa works well with Jade.
5:10 iyo plays fighting games!?
i already have e2 archeron i was gonna get rappa but im skipping sunday i need him
Nah
Artoria needs all the jade i can save
Ff without HMC is absolutely dogshit, while i wont hold that against her i still think boothill is the better dmging character by a long shot
Idk i fell like she had a potencial to be the fist erudition character to be good outside PF but its like any other erudition character only good in PF and that it.
Not to mention that she isnt the best erudition in the game jade is just too good and her only real competicion is argenti and we all know that argenti is trash even in PF
Break character are the easiest characters to built
Ninja Scroll = Yagyu Jubei the GOAT
I keep hearing how gal is free, I’m a new player did I miss something?
He was an option on a few 4 star selectors they gave out. If you dont have him already dont stress him, he cant cleanse without e2, so if he isnt running on a banner you are pulling on it will take too long to get him useable.
My FUA team is Feixiao Jade Robin Lingsha 😎
Ninjas in Penacony
I have Acheron so I'm going for her Eildon easy
I am chilling with my 56 characters😅
And I will go for every other