When China's industry lags behind western developed countries, the west attributed the reason to China's system. When China's industry vaguely surpassed the West, the West no longer questioned its own system.
@@tooltalk They're not naive, but greed and complacency blurred their view, thinking China could be exploited forever and would never be able to become a near peer competitor.
@@tocu9808 : The West was definitely naive and blinded by what neoliberals/neocons viewed as their ideological success - that as China becomes globalized and wealthier, they would become democratized and liberalized like "us," the End of History as Fukuyama once famously said. For much of the 15 years since China's accession to WTO, the US made a colossal mistake of believing that helping China grow and richer would better the world. Business in turn do what they do to make profit -- that's their sole purpose and nothing else.
yeah but not when your competitor is state subsidized to the tits, sponsored by state IP theft and with half the cost of labor with really loose environment legislation lmao
I wish logical, caring, knowledgeable people who surround themselves with like minded individuals were in power running more governments. Governments do not seem to be run for the benefit of businesses, people, or the communities best interest. Morals and Values have almost disappeared. I will still pray, hope, and dream of a better world.
Not only EV , E-bikes, solar,wind power. They are already in 6G , commercial airplanes, high speed trains , space , face recognition , AI, non cash economy , food deliveries, logistics , super infrastructure , personal safety….. etc.
I totally agree that China people are doing great in all those areas. One thing is bothering though: communist party dictatorship and a desire to start wars with neighbours. Increased military spending is also not particularly encouraging factor for the future.
@@arkadybelsky3150 China's military was lacking, it had to modernise like all the other industries the above comment mentioned, not to mention its surrounded by US bases along the Pacific chain. Historically, 3000 yrs of Han rule, they have never had a war with a non-bordering country. What would you do if you were in their shoes?
@@arkadybelsky3150 if you compare US v China military spending , it is a far cry lol. A desire to start wars with neighbors ? You can hardly deem those skirmishes with India as wars lol. Just listened to what African leaders say abt China’s approach v Colonial powers. How many infrastructure projects has US built around the world v China. Pls , how many ppl have US killed v China in the past 20 yrs. I rest my case.
Have you seen the fields full of millions of discarded E bikes, and the 100’s of thousands of EV’s left to rot. Yep, China really is leading the world. Environmental disaster.
@@arkadybelsky3150 You should read more about the Chinese political system it is more complicated and more efficient than you think and 90% of the Chinese people support their government and system of politics
What a lot of people overlook is that China's drive to become a major developer of EVs was due to the big problem they were having with air pollution in their major cities. This now means that they are far ahead of countries like Japan which has been slow to adapt to battery powered EV's believing that alternatives like hydrogen fueled vehicles would become the new technology
The green industry was on your demand years ago. The purpose was blocking china fast industry developing. But you never think it will create EV industry in china.
4 years ago I was in Euro, now I am in China. There are complaints that EVs are not popular because there are few charging stations and electricity is expensive. But why are electric piles everywhere in China, and EVs can travel 400KM for only 3.5 euros (28 RMB) at home? (By the way, more than half of the EVs in China have home charging box). So these problems are Euro's problems, not EV's problems.
EU goal is to reduce the cars on roads, and is continuosly transforming car roads in cycling and pedestrian roads with improved public transportation.. Both China and EU have different approach to the issue.
Right, I owned a BYD SUV and I have installed a home charger by BYD team. It's a little slower but we sleep for at least 6 hours and that's far enough for my SUV to be fully charged. I normally travel less than 50 km daily.
For many people price is the most important factor in choosing a vehicle in this days of inflation and high cost of gas. An affordable EV is what we need regardless who make it for daily commute of less than 100 miles. I saw in China they can get an EV for less then $5000 USD. When will VW start making “People’s Car” again instead of luxury SUV?
If you believe VW’s announcements, an electric people’s car is always a couple years in the future, good luck waiting for it to realize without something like gigafactories to lower production costs etc
The fall of Western dominance.. Here in Manila we prefer Chinese made cars very cheap and affordable. And money wise, China made cars are also most advance as compared to Western made.. Congrats China.
@Tyt Xlx Workers in the west are paid more, also for instance EU manufactures are subject to many environmental regulations and rules making car manufacturing in EU more expensive than in China or even US where regulations are softer.
I just don't think the technology or infrastructure is there yet. When I go on a road trip I'll go at least 300 miles before I take a bathroom break and will drive for up to 19 hours in a day. It only takes a few minutes to refill my gas tank yet to recharge a car takes at least half an hour if you are lucky. Don't get me wrong, I'd love an EV but am just not confident in them yet and we do need to produce more power and again solar and wind power are not that reliable. Now Japan is working on water turbines to set in the ocean in the strong currents to produce power and that does sound promising and reliable
@@fastwheels195 Because America often likes to fight progress. I equate it to when Ford built the car, cowboys were up in arms railing against the motor vehicle... look at us now.
I feel a bit of satisfaction from this, since the supporters of European automotive industries were doing everything they could over the last decade to stop or slow the transition to EVs, they are still fighting it. I don't want to see even more of our industry move to China, but I can't wait to see to look in their faces when they realize that by opposing EVs they made the industry they were trying to protect obsolete, instead of allowing it to evolve and adapt.
Even worse, china are implementing very tight emissions rules for vehicles that many foreign manufactures can't pass. A lot of european and japanese cars won't be able to be sold there. Which is a huge market.
It should be noted that the Chinese EVs sold in Europe are usually 40% more expensive(EU tariff for car is 10%) than they are sold in China and they are still considered cheap and competitive in price (for example MG). So probably the problem is why cars in Europe are so expensive, Volkswagen sells their cars much cheaper in China than in its home country Germany, China maybe now is the place with lowest car price in the world.
Are you delusional? I don’t know where you are in Europe but here in Denmark these cars are very expensive, inefficient and the tech is plain bad. It makes no sense buying them, except for design taste. These “analysts” are looking into gross sales, and that is only an advantage because China is the largest car market in the world. Batteries are produced both in the USA and China, but soon other places. Chinese manufacturers are doing much better than expected because no one believes in them to begin with.
Chinese cars are great. I think the future is China, Everyone knows that China will become the next superpower. A peaceful country that focuses on development not like the U.S.
The world should not underestimated China, not just cars, but everything made in China now are totally different from what we have seen 20 years ago, while they can still maintain very low prices, the quality is improving substantially, everything are in world standard now, some are ahead of the world such as infrastructures, AI, solar technology…
The blade battery of BYD in China is the most advanced battery in the world, and many countries' buses are BYD with high cost-effectiveness. Currently, BYD is the world's best-selling electric vehicle, and Tesla also uses BYD battery technology. Currently, the proportion of electric vehicles in China is increasing, which is basically half of that of gasoline vehicles. Europe talks about environmental protection all day, but there is no implementation. Electric vehicles are far behind China and the United States. When China's electric penetration rate reaches 90%, I don't think Europe will have any chance of winning this competition, not only because politicians are short-sighted, but also because a large number of voters who don't understand anything are constantly manipulated and deceived by the media
It would be a mistake to think that the Chinese can only copy products. Like the Japanese and Koreans before them, they only copy until they have enough experience and know-how to be able to produce better products than the companies they copied from. Once upon a time both Japanese and Korean cars were considered to be "cheap knockoffs", but given time, they were able to produce vehicles that stand with the best of those made in Western countries. In fact in terms of battery technology the Chinese are already years ahead of any batteries made by competitors. Largely thanks to a short-sighted patent that gave the Chinese free rein to use LFP technology while restricting all other competitors, and thus giving them many years of headstart in that technology. But to their credit they made the best of the headstart they were given and are now undisputedly producing the longest lasting and safest batteries in the world. This was why Tesla switched all their shorter ranged vehicles and home batteries to using LFP batteries, because after starting to use them in their Chinese Gigafactory, they realised that LFP batteries were without doubt the best batteries for their vehicles where range was not as important, and rapidly brought them over to use in other Gigafactories. The Chinese government also put Chinese EV makers through a "survival of the fittest" hyper competitive environment, and the ones that are now expanding out of China (BYD, MG (SAIC), Polestar (Geely), Xpeng and Nio to name a few) are the ones who have survived and thrived. There were hundreds of EV manufacturers that went bankrupt during this process and as usual no one knows the losers.
If they’re not solving their spicy batteries issue they can try and try and try. I think a lot of people are ready for good quality Chinese products but I’m afraid just a few daring designs and tech gimmicks are not enough. Too many batteries are going on fire in China and of course the CCP is trying to cover it up and save face as per usual. Knowing how temperature and mechanical shocks can damage batteries and increase chances of fires, knowing the weather and road quality of where I love I’d be reluctant to get any electric car, never mind a Chinese one.
The loser would most certainly be the customers. The problem with the battery is that it explodes (not just fire), ordinary fire extinguisher couldn't put it out.
@@threesixnine369six You are babbling nonsense. CATL and BYD are 1st and 3rd largest EV battery producers in the world. You must have been asleep while this was happening.
Chinese EV car companies are already about 10 years ahead of traditional car manufacturers. I know of 3 EVs from China I would love to have here in the States.
Some daring designs ad gimmicky tech is not enough. They can afford fast tracked development and production in order to aggressively compete in a well established automotive industry, but currently quite a few of their electric cars are going on fire. I think a lot of people are waiting for amazing quality Chinese products but I think they’re just not ready yet. And then of course you have plenty of people easily seduced by anything shiny that comes from China.
0:16 competition 1:40 government foresight - US saw the effectiveness and ban as usual 2:30 European quality 6:35 copying accusation but good response from interviewee
Germans are planning for the next generation of vehicles to hit the market around 2027. Meanwhile China is planning for next year. Very similar designs, just going twice as fast...
This was always predicted. Years ago - ~ 2018 - at a major EV conference in Stuttgart each of the largest European automakers were predicting exactly this.
Of course Europeans will buy Chinese products. The majority of products sold in Europe are made in China anyway. I think people forget that the majority of what they buy in European stores is chinese made. The same will be true for cars. Europeans have to drop the idea that they make superior products, because they don't any more.
The great economic reset is happening right before our eyes. I wouldn´t be surprised if in 20 years even cars from Vietnam and Indonesia will outclass European cars. Remember British cars and motorcycles? Japan and Germany destroyed that quite quickly after world war 2.
Japan is always a copycat of China for millenia. Japanese culture is Chinese Tang Dynasty culture replica. Google search for “Japanese missions to imperial China” and “Japanese missions to Tang Dynasty”. Their culture and writing system came from China. Germany innovated the first car and invented mechanics. Japanese cars, American cars and Korean cars are all copycat brands.
Interesting to see the reporter really struggle to discredit the chinese with talk of quality and intellectual property rights. Evs are a new field that people are learning on the go the chinese have just done better. About technology byd is a leader in battery technology, thats arguably one of the most important technologies in evs.the western leader in ev is actually using byd batteries
It isn't so much the car industry but the greater industrial growth in the machine tools and tool making, both punch press and mold making/die casting dies. And it all begins with the steel industry that is the world's largest. They are extremely hard working and driven. But it's still hard to believe that this all happened within the last 30 to40 years.
In the past 20 years, Europe has not kept pace with the United States and East Asian countries. New technologies are always emerging in the United States and East Asia. Europe has stopped developing both technologically and economically. Europe is becoming less and less important.
This discussion is suggesting that Chinese auto companies are getting ready to take over the market for EVs in Europe and the US. Seems like people are forgetting that automobiles are subject to more import controls than other product by every country. Tesla built a market in Europe with expensive vehicles and only then began building cars in Germany now that the market has been established.
US is still not allowing China EV to enter the market yet. Hopefully soon. I am waiting for it in Canada. If US don't allow, don't think Canada will. 😂
@@cinpeace353 Chinese EVs are allowed in the US market so long as they follow the laws and safety regulations like everyone else. The biggest issue is that there's still an import tariff of something like 25-30%, but some Chinese brands are either buying into existing US/Euro brands or planning to build local manufacturing/assembly.
As someone who used to work for an electronics corporation and with Chinese OEMs in developing new products, none of this is surprising. Europeans have collectively been underestimating the Chinese forever. If we don't start playing a global game and take our competition seriously we'll lose out.
To late all countries used china for cheap slave labour and now china build's everything now because they stole all the blue prints and made their own products 😂 greedy elites karma
I don’t normally watch DW for their west-biased approach and use of US narratives..the consultant from CapGemini was being polite and tried to explain the facts and yet the DW journo is still trying to use his understanding of 20th century China 😂. I feel sorry for most of the comments put in this channel, as it seems most still understand China based on their 20th century, I don’t blame them as it’s unprecedented in human history a country can changed so dramatically in 20-30 years where it took European and US century to have this happened. I think Chinese will love that attitude it will mean most of these still do not understand what’s coming in terms of competition. Read the other day, how BYD was brave enough to go for the Japanese auto market, and it seems they are picking up a good initial sales in the first few months.
China didn't steal the market, it's just their government systems have less debate and therefore moving policy is a lot faster than in the West. This is good, some countries need to be the pilot of the electric car so others can follow / case-study n and lowered the price of global e-car so it is more affordable.
I am sure there are debates behind the scenes. It is just China is more like a company leading by a CEO while some countries in the West is more like a student union leading by a chairman. Officials are capable vs Officials are popular.
@kiwikemist so true. Not just a popular contest. I find what china scary is that, they have a CEO like government, plenty of resources and plenty of talented people eager to compete with each other to produce or find a new way. Often they "inspired" by some West product, more often than not, they made it better n cheaper for the masses.
I think from all the countries that take part in the Paris agreement, I feel China did the most n I feel they would b the first to achieve the set goal.
It's good to keep in mind while considering statistics - Chinese manufacturers count deliveries to dealerships as 'sales' ..... so munch on that bs sandwitch
The problem is that automobile sales continually increase, leading to absolute gridlock in urban areas. It's quicker to ride a bike in many cases when the distance is short & parking is factored into the equation.
It depends on city planning. If public transit is convenient and affordable, some people may prefer public transit. I have a car. However, when I need to go downtown for conferences, I prefer park and ride if the conference is close to a subway/SkyTrain station.
Charging problem is Euro problem not EV problem. In China, EV owners have their own chargers in the garage, and charging point in everywhere including services area of highway.
Individual wheel rotation and torque control, individual wheel vectorial tracking, individual active suspension, autonomous driving, plus hundreds of sensors... EV is going to redefine Cars, even regardless the green issues.
Why should i buy an ev from China when i can buy an ev from Korea Japan Europa or Vietnan?Oh because they are a little cheaper?I dont care,no problem to pay more!
All these hi-tech were largely available in West but never shared openly with developing countries and people-in-need. Now with China in the lead, such technologies and collaborations help world towards a shared and prosperous future.
One persepctive missed out is the level of competition among the companies and also the Chinese working people are so intense that they spear ahead technology advancement and quality improvement. The young gen chinese are also highly educated, competing among peers making them pushing bounderies of their products that is now seems threat to the Germans. Many see China 996 imbalance life but also due to long hours, they work relentlessly more than anyone in the world. China overtaking Germany brands EV is now their result.
Yeah this is the problem with unrelenting capitalism. How can you compete against people that are willing to live in dormitories where 50 people share 10 toilets and no privacy? The technology edge is subsiding. Should we just subjugate the American or European way of life or just give up? If we do it the Chinese way, we get something like a dictatorship Hong Kong. Are you okay living in a crate and having the rich get much richer and poor poorer.
@tonyl7337 china already overtook germany in technology.take a biref look at AI, Quantum computing, 5g, aerospace and many others. automobiles is already germany's strongest area and even this is eroding fast
The West, my country included, continue to debate if climate change is real, and point to China's emissions as an excuse to do nothing. Meanwhile,China has taken over solar, will take over battery manufacturing, and will soon take over the E.V. market. Renewables, storage and electrification of transport offer huge potential for innovation and growth,. Sadly there are powerful forces in business and politics that will ensure that China, not the West will take the lead.
where are you from? tell your politician to learn from Hungary, Orban welcomed Chinese CATL battery to set factory there, maybe Tesla Germany would buy battery from Hungary soon because Germany is too anti-Chinese.
@@lvjinbin28 that is yet another example of China taking over the market. Setting up in Hungary allows them access to the European Market. That is not the same as establishing your own industry.
how could anyone doubt the Chinese EV capability? They've been investing in this longer than any other country and with more capital than any other country. Who makes all the batteries? An EV is very nearly a battery pack with wheels and seats bolted to them
@@marcob1729 : Sure, Japan has long been investing and researching solid-state, lithium-ion and hydrogen for decades. Let's not forget that China's largest battery maker, CATL, was founded in 2011 as a spin-off of Japan's TDK.
Cars are price sensitive. The Chinese build affordable electric vehicles. Western governments are about high taxes on imported Chinese vehicles and greedy importers. These two don't care about the environment.
Yes, China could expend its e-car market, that's why china is a developed country and should not have any trade protection. good news! Many congrats Chinese!
Good news for the environment bad news for everything else lol. It’s basically the worst possible way we could help the environment but it’s helping the environment nontheless
Car was invented in Germany. Then Americans learnt to make cars. Then Japanese. Then Korean. This is one kind of very old technology. Given enough time, every country will be able to make its own car. It’s not surprise that Chinese can make cars. It will be a surprise that China can’t make cars. In the future, Indians will make their cars. So Germany should start to accept the fact that you invent something which doesn’t only you can do it. Technology and knowledge can spread eventually to the whole human race.
I'm disappointed they didn't address how the trade war between China and America could will effect EV production. Say if in retaliation for the Micron ban, America restricts NVIDIA from exporting advanced chips to China, that would cripple the driver assist in Chinese EVs. Chinese companies have stated plans to develop domestic production but that kind of research/development is a multi-year process.
@@jackytang3683 I know that China has seen major growth in fabless, IDM and OSAT semiconductor companies. The problem for EVs is the huge variety of chips (not just control systems) from silicon carbide (SiC) substrates and wafers, SiC power semiconductors, AC/DC and DC/DC converter chips, high-power inverters, etc... China can eventually supply that domestically, but they don't currently have enough foundries to meet the need. I was hoping Peter Fintl would give an estimate on how many years it will be before new facilities come online. He used to be the head semiconductor analyst at Capgemini so I expected him to discuss that issue.
It can predict that Germany will immediately encourage the EU coffee machine senators to introduce a national security law on electric vehicles, a national security law on manual toys, a law on sanctions against forced labor on electric vehicles, a law on compulsory carbon emissions trading for electric vehicles, electric vehicle human rights law, etc.😂
The Chinese pivot to EV around 15 years ago, long before Elon Musk even thought of establishing Tesla. So it isn't an instant thing, but the result of long term vision, hard work and huge investment in R&D. The Chinese gov under Hu Jintao recruited ex Audi executive to be their minister in charge of building Chinese auto industry, to compete with the legacy Auto. He immediately steered the Chinese auto industry towards EV because he understood that it was useless to try to catch up with legacy auto in ICE. Now the Chinese are reaping the rewards.
@Tony L They are releasing their products one market at a time. Rest be assured, you will see them in the next 5 years, and given their pricing and battery competitive advantages, they will easily ride in the top 5 by sales. Here in Australia, we.nevwr thought anyone would buy their cars. How wrong we were.
7:43 This a false narrative. Company are not force into tech transfers, joint ventures in China. The companies can always walk away!. Take VW in China for example. The Chinese made the same offer to GM, Toyota, Honda they all walked away in the late 1980's. Maybe GM walked away because they were the biggest manufacturing company in the world at the time, Toyota, Honda was kicking but in the US. VW was a one car company an was not doing well so maybe that is why they took the deal!
@@vervetech9395 Cope harder. If a German car manufacturer wants to pay cents on the euro to source their plastic part from the CCP I couldn’t care less, but if I’m supposed to to buy a car from these copycats I’m gonna pass.
You mean a massive network of electric high speed rail? Or perhaps electric driven subway systems in all major cities? Or transitioning diesel buses to electric? Transitioning taxi and ride share fleets to electric? Banning 2 stroke motorcycles and mopeds and making all urban 2 wheel and 3 wheel vehicles electric? Only one place in the world where all of that is taking place all at the same times, and that place is China.
China has a strong public transport system, they are fast and cheap. But this can only solve the problem of commuting between cities, and China's land area is 9.6 million square kilometers, and the distance between cities is very large, you can not rely on public transportation.
China has less govt regulation, however I have seen a report only a year ago that showed the batteries do not last as long and they have less milage. Personally I dont see that ev vehicles are cracked up to be as environmentally friendly as claimed with the rare earths needed and the batteries dont last that long and they create 70% more green house emissions to make than a combustion car. There are huge developments in synthetic fuels, hydrogen and other battery types which are much cleaner than whats currently flavor of the month.
There is a funny point that people now arguing EV cars for using batteries are just using their smart phones, pads and laptops which also powered by batteries😂
Meh, given "made in China" quality and the various issues that occurred in that regard lately, I'll NEVER buy a chinese car, electric or not, thanks...
I live in Mexico. My son has three buddies who either bought or the family bought one of the Chinese cars, two electric and one gas. All three spend more than three months back at the agencies for months...the warranty is wasting away in the shop because they don't work well. The quality is not good.
This is what I think is going to happen: In the 70'-80's in the US, automakers got spoiled by having a captive audience, American consumers and the quality of the cars dropped off, so Japan jumped in with Datsun, Toyota, Honda and US automakers had to play catch up to stay in business. Now I think the Chinese EV's will be in the US on a huge scale because they make a competitive auto at a lower price.
U.S. politics may keep them out of the U.S. market in many cases. U.S. is now afraid of fair competion with China due to political hysteria in Washington, DC. We'll see.
Tesla shanghai is 100% owned by Tesla. China has no limit on company owner. And base on bias DW always say china steal technology. I want ask what Tech china stole from you? Do you make EVs? If not, where is the TECH？
In an environment where TikTok and huawei are considered national security risk points, what is the chance of fleets of autonomous cars connected at all time with an (suspected/alleged) unknown server somewhere with information flows in one direction and commands in another be left alone as in pre-2018 international trade paradigm?
You must remember that when you are inside a Mercedes-Benz the luxury interior will be very comfortable as you sit there waiting for the fuel station to get gasoline delivered... Although after a week or two of waiting you might want to get out and see if you can find a battery-operated car to take you home.
Three fuel trucks have arrived in the time it took you to charge your vehicle made of chinesium. But don't worry, the Benz owner is just as foolish as you are in the eyes of those who'd rather use public transport.
It’s interesting to hear about the general idea of made in china stuff is bad quality. The system lacks regulations on many products thus leads to bad quality products flooding the market. When the system has regulations that promotes quality like prioritizing safety concerns, the factories are definitely capable of producing such products like automobiles. Just like how many big brands like Apple, tesla, Honda, Dell, HP, Volkswagen (just name a few brands) all have Chinese manufacturers in the past decade or so.
This perception of quality is strange for the reasons you pointed out. I think the leading analogy is when Japanese cars came to the west, but China is not Japan. The only problem with Chinese cars is that we have different expectations, it’s cultural and design. Chinese makers have overcome most of those barriers. They are coming.
Really funny because serpentza released a video just a month ago talking about how Chinese EVs have a really nasty habit of randomly breaking, catching fire, or even exploding, with alarming regularity. He even supported it with reams of footage, all uploaded by Chinese users and bystanders to these events.
@@yayhandlesall this footage is nice, but I’d like some genuine statistics. They said the same about teslas catching fire a few years back but it turns out it was a media hit job by the traditionalist auto makers
This is the difference between having one political entity putting an impressive amount of public funds into R&D in multiple fields that can produce tech that it's industries can then utilize versus other political entities cutting governent spending in education and public research with the sole exception of weapons R&D. Ironically, that's why the US beat the USSR's economy and now we're the ones repeating that mistake because we're asked to reduce spending so we can make billionaires even richer billionaires with ever more tax cuts so they can have a few extra mansions and yahts that would have no impact intheir quality of life and their wealth will only serve to increase the wealth gap that threatens our democracy. Either we roll up our sleeves, tax the rich and fund technological "moonshots" in aerospace, energy, cyberentics, genetic engineering, nanotech and medical nanotech, quantum computing, material technology and nuclear physics or we better start learning chinese so we can understand the instruction manuals for the tech we will have no option but buy from them because they'll be decades ahead of us.
The USA is still largely ahead in most fields. Of course, twenty years ago we said we were forty years ahead; ten years ago we said we were twenty years ahead, now we say they're ahead in some small fields, ahead in integration, but we're still five or ten years ahead... Meanwhile, economists have asserted that technological growth is the fundamental driver of economic growth...
@@DarkwarriorJ Yeah, basically the US and EU got complacent with the fall of the USSR, and cut spending in research, infrastructure, benefits,worker rights,etc (Also proving that they're bought by billionaires who want a plutocracy that the moment they could say "there's no alternative to us" they fast tracked turning the world into a cyberpunk dystopia because it would maximize their wealth at everyone's expense) And now they're crying that their money making scheme is not viable long term and puts them at a geopolitical disadvantage and are fearmongering about china taking over but don't want to do the one thing that retains the "world leader" status because they want to be even richer and pay even less taxes despite their money being so concentrated into the hands of so few that it's a logistical error that's threatening to collapse our society.
@@dark_master_Makei true. Education needs more finding However there's a lot of highly educated people not working in their field and a ton of promising research programs running on a shoestring budget . R&D funding NEEDS to return to space race levels, if not beyond. Education alone doesn't result in innovation Research and swift results NEEDS funding.
Germany is drawing the lesions from Japan and South Korea. Both Japan and South Korea were lackluster in teaming up with Chinese in chips and smart phone development. And they insisted to work alone and develop their own Chinese market. They were in fear that Chinese will "steal" their technologies. But the reality is that, one way or the other, Chinese will acquire the technologies. It might take three or five years longer but the end is expected. Once they get the technology, if you are their partners, they will simply push you out of their market. It is quite simple logic: technology for market, you get want you desire and I get what I desire. If you don't give up the technology, we will still let you stay until the moment you no longer have the technology advantage. Germany is taking a new route. They will START WITH technology sharing because they know that China has developed to such an advanced stage that they could get the technology quickly, one way or the other. So they use technology as the investment, and protects it with geopolitics (EU slightly learning toward China) and HOPE that China won't take their technology and kick them out. So far this Foreign Affiliate Asset investment model is working. They are part of the "investment club" led by China and protected by EU geopolitical maneuvers. From China's perspective, if you want market and want investment return, you can not KEEP your technologies and design talents. You must share and we will give you profits. Stop the BS about Intellectual Properties Stealing. It is just IP in exchange for market. If you have a problem, get out. If you like the idea, stay in. One way or the other, China will dominate.
That great! But chinese cars won't be certified in the US. The US will rather slit their own throats than see Chinese cars dominate their turf. Toronto, Canada
No, it isn't. They're outright, blatantly, and obviously better than comparable Western analogues. Period. That will only continue to be increasingly so.
My son, went to China 5 years ago after graduating from UCSD. Recently bought a BYD made hybrid car. When fully charged and filled up, it can travel 1200 km. Goes 200 km on electric alone. 0 to 100km 3.9s, for the price of 25k usd. He’s very happy with it. Meanwhile, I am in California driving a Lexus GX460, ($65k + 9.25% tax) getting 15 miles per gallon on average with premium fuel. What do you conclude?
@Tony L It does matter because BYD is a new comer. It was almost non-existent 10 years ago and it has been playing catch-up all along. You have to get the latest figure in order to appreciate how far it has gone.
So they are basically slaves? But at least the economy is growing I guess. Most European/US companies will switch to the Philippines for labour, since China is getting too expensive and the Chinese are not trustworthy partners.
@@darksidegamer6192 It's the work ethic, with sacrifice, comes peace of mind during retirement. You need to see how hard Elon Musk is working. Anyways, EU/US may not be relevant in 10-20 years as the world's economic center levitates to Asia. If Philippines was a viable manufacturing hub, companies would have already moved there by now. It's just a pipe dream, or hallucination as the psychologists would call it.
@@AP-ei4jt It's proven that working longer than 8 hours is extremely inefficient, since productivity drops severely and workers tend to have burnout. There are even companies where you only have to work 4 hours in Germany and their productivity is way higher than in China, because employees are extremely happy. With sacrifice comes early death during retirement. If you really think that the US/Europe would become irrelevant than your ideology makes you blind. Nobody, not even China thinks that this will happen. We are talking about a multipolar world but the US will always be a superpower just because of it's size. Tensions only really started when Trump was in office and once Xi started playing the communist card again, transitioning all of your industrie to new partners takes a while. But I found your attack on my psychological health quite amusing, makes me feel civilized.
@@tonyl7337 You might want to look a bit hard Tony . DJI's a great example we get in the west. Also ask yourself why Huawei really got band and why Apple make the iPhone there, their not getting the parts sent over from the US you know.
the charging infrastructure isn't there, n won't be for a very long time. not enough charging stations, and / or electricity to be able to handle millions of charging EVs, and electricity would become too expensive.
Instead of huge SUVs and luxury limos, German automobile producers should make something like the original Volkswagen Käfer/Beetle again, a small, compact, robust car which looks cute, built to last and easy to repair, only this time with electric motors instead of a combustion engine. Four direct drive motors built directly into the wheel hubs, a battery pack in the back where the engine in the original VW used to be, and other than that very few mechanical moving parts, just robust, simple electronics, nothing too fancy and overpowered. Make it cheap, simple, indestructible. Give it just enough power to reach 130 km/h if needed, make it as lightweight as possible, with just enough space for five people, it's OK if getting in and out is a little cumbersome. Put the trunk in front, just like in the original VW. Maybe add separate bumpers again so that if you accidentally bump into something, repairs will be easy and cheap. And, of course, we need more two- and three-wheeled electric vehicles. Not just pedelecs, which are just bicycles with an auxiliary electric motor, but also electric scooters, and I don't mean those annoying mini-scooters, but things like electric Vespas. And electric mopeds, motorbikes, and trikes. We need to get away from the one-size-fits-all motorcar, there's no need to go by car if you're a single person with a bit of baggage. There are cargo trailers that can be hooked up to a bicycle, pedelec, scooter, or moped, and if you use those, you're more flexible than you can be with a cargo bike since you can always leave the trailer at home when you don't need it. If you need to make deliveries, maybe a cargo trike is an option, lorries should only be used if absolutely necessary, and we need to get those huge numbers of lorries out of our cities.
Automobiles are profit driven. Large luxury vehicles have generous profit margins & the service is based on maximizing profit as technology makes self repair difficult.
@@elfboi523 Hey, just a friendly reminder that normies don't want to hear about the horrors of capitalism. As long as the status quo provides a couple of crumbs for them, they're happy.
They out-produce other countries but how many Chinese EVs are bought and driven? There are images of acres upon acres of unsold Chinese-made EVs sitting in fields for years. It’s crazy. I think they were produced for several failed ride-sharing services of some kind. Probably not the best quality vehicles.
When China's industry lags behind western developed countries, the west attributed the reason to China's system. When China's industry vaguely surpassed the West, the West no longer questioned its own system.
They might not fully comprehend what China's system really is. Or it was their riveted mindset that the system could not ever be that good.
@@tocu9808 >>They might not fully comprehend what China's system really is.
@@tooltalk They're not naive, but greed and complacency blurred their view, thinking China could be exploited forever and would never be able to become a near peer competitor.
@@tocu9808 : The West was definitely naive and blinded by what neoliberals/neocons viewed as their ideological success - that as China becomes globalized and wealthier, they would become democratized and liberalized like "us," the End of History as Fukuyama once famously said. For much of the 15 years since China's accession to WTO, the US made a colossal mistake of believing that helping China grow and richer would better the world. Business in turn do what they do to make profit -- that's their sole purpose and nothing else.
Lots of brainwashed people here :)
Go to school and learn how the world works
This is good. Civilized countries should display dominance by competing to create great products instead of wasting resources on war.
China is wasting resources on war.
Literally 90% of the Chinese EV car makers are bankrupt.
yeah but not when your competitor is state subsidized to the tits, sponsored by state IP theft and with half the cost of labor with really loose environment legislation lmao
I wish logical, caring, knowledgeable people who surround themselves with like minded individuals were in power running more governments.
Governments do not seem to be run for the benefit of businesses, people, or the communities best interest. Morals and Values have almost disappeared. I will still pray, hope, and dream of a better world.
Haha got your 50¢
DW很稀有的邀請了－位客觀的评論者，縱使主持人－再暗示中國电动車技術都是偷來的，專家还是告知主持人，全世界的國家都是可以用市場换技術，而且双方合作是可以互補長短的。
Not only EV , E-bikes, solar,wind power. They are already in 6G , commercial airplanes, high speed trains , space , face recognition , AI, non cash economy , food deliveries, logistics , super infrastructure , personal safety….. etc.
I totally agree that China people are doing great in all those areas. One thing is bothering though: communist party dictatorship and a desire to start wars with neighbours. Increased military spending is also not particularly encouraging factor for the future.
@@arkadybelsky3150 China's military was lacking, it had to modernise like all the other industries the above comment mentioned, not to mention its surrounded by US bases along the Pacific chain. Historically, 3000 yrs of Han rule, they have never had a war with a non-bordering country. What would you do if you were in their shoes?
@@arkadybelsky3150 if you compare US v China military spending , it is a far cry lol. A desire to start wars with neighbors ? You can hardly deem those skirmishes with India as wars lol. Just listened to what African leaders say abt China’s approach v Colonial powers. How many infrastructure projects has US built around the world v China. Pls , how many ppl have US killed v China in the past 20 yrs. I rest my case.
Have you seen the fields full of millions of discarded E bikes, and the 100’s of thousands of EV’s left to rot. Yep, China really is leading the world. Environmental disaster.
@@arkadybelsky3150 You should read more about the Chinese political system it is more complicated and more efficient than you think and 90% of the Chinese people support their government and system of politics
What a lot of people overlook is that China's drive to become a major developer of EVs was due to the big problem they were having with air pollution in their major cities. This now means that they are far ahead of countries like Japan which has been slow to adapt to battery powered EV's believing that alternatives like hydrogen fueled vehicles would become the new technology
The green industry was on your demand years ago. The purpose was blocking china fast industry developing. But you never think it will create EV industry in china.
Didn't Japan consciously avoid making electrical vehicles as they're betting on Hydrogen cars becoming a thing? Japan imports all its electricity
China doesn’t care about the environment
It’s about money
now Canada is the wost pollution 😂
@@MCSROkickz and japan will import all its hydrogen, it takes alot of electricity to make hydrogen fuel.
4 years ago I was in Euro, now I am in China. There are complaints that EVs are not popular because there are few charging stations and electricity is expensive. But why are electric piles everywhere in China, and EVs can travel 400KM for only 3.5 euros (28 RMB) at home? (By the way, more than half of the EVs in China have home charging box). So these problems are Euro's problems, not EV's problems.
EU goal is to reduce the cars on roads, and is continuosly transforming car roads in cycling and pedestrian roads with improved public transportation..
Both China and EU have different approach to the issue.
Right, I owned a BYD SUV and I have installed a home charger by BYD team. It's a little slower but we sleep for at least 6 hours and that's far enough for my SUV to be fully charged.
I normally travel less than 50 km daily.
@@a.a.5386 I like nowadays how people oversimplify a mega-trend and put economical and technological aspect on lower priority!
@@a.a.5386yeah right!? Go on your bike from Madrid to Barcelona 😂😂😂😂
@@a.a.5386 and this is the way to go. Less cars around means better quality of life, especially in cities.
For many people price is the most important factor in choosing a vehicle in this days of inflation and high cost of gas. An affordable EV is what we need regardless who make it for daily commute of less than 100 miles. I saw in China they can get an EV for less then $5000 USD. When will VW start making “People’s Car” again instead of luxury SUV?
High cost of living in Germany will make it difficult.
If you believe VW’s announcements, an electric people’s car is always a couple years in the future, good luck waiting for it to realize without something like gigafactories to lower production costs etc
True but I will never buy a Chinese brand car. Never!
Chinese EVs are heavily subsidized by the state. The goal is to put competition out of business.
@@talkinghand122 they subsidy any car at a price point. If VW have one at that price point they will subsidize.
The fall of Western dominance.. Here in Manila we prefer Chinese made cars very cheap and affordable. And money wise, China made cars are also most advance as compared to Western made.. Congrats China.
Because China is training engineers, while USA is training drag queens and gender pronoun debaters. 😂
As an American, it's disheartening to see Republicans argue against green energy... meanwhile, we get further behind in areas we should be leading 😮💨
@Tyt Xlx Workers in the west are paid more, also for instance EU manufactures are subject to many environmental regulations and rules making car manufacturing in EU more expensive than in China or even US where regulations are softer.
@@jonpetter8921 bb9
@Tyt Xlx... Subsidies.
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I just don't think the technology or infrastructure is there yet. When I go on a road trip I'll go at least 300 miles before I take a bathroom break and will drive for up to 19 hours in a day. It only takes a few minutes to refill my gas tank yet to recharge a car takes at least half an hour if you are lucky.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love an EV but am just not confident in them yet and we do need to produce more power and again solar and wind power are not that reliable.
Now Japan is working on water turbines to set in the ocean in the strong currents to produce power and that does sound promising and reliable
@@fastwheels195 Because America often likes to fight progress.
I equate it to when Ford built the car, cowboys were up in arms railing against the motor vehicle... look at us now.
I feel a bit of satisfaction from this, since the supporters of European automotive industries were doing everything they could over the last decade to stop or slow the transition to EVs, they are still fighting it. I don't want to see even more of our industry move to China, but I can't wait to see to look in their faces when they realize that by opposing EVs they made the industry they were trying to protect obsolete, instead of allowing it to evolve and adapt.
And whatever tech China is utilizing was completely stolen from the US and EU.
Even worse, china are implementing very tight emissions rules for vehicles that many foreign manufactures can't pass. A lot of european and japanese cars won't be able to be sold there. Which is a huge market.
@@lilbaz8073 Please stop lying.. the new rules merely echoes the EU rules.
@@hclau218 lying? There are millions of cars in china that will soon be illegal to sell. That is a fact.
If you like your cars randomly catching a blaze i guess you will have fun.
It should be noted that the Chinese EVs sold in Europe are usually 40% more expensive(EU tariff for car is 10%) than they are sold in China and they are still considered cheap and competitive in price (for example MG). So probably the problem is why cars in Europe are so expensive,
Volkswagen sells their cars much cheaper in China than in its home country Germany, China maybe now is the place with lowest car price in the world.
Totaly no cool factor. 😂
Are you delusional? I don’t know where you are in Europe but here in Denmark these cars are very expensive, inefficient and the tech is plain bad. It makes no sense buying them, except for design taste. These “analysts” are looking into gross sales, and that is only an advantage because China is the largest car market in the world. Batteries are produced both in the USA and China, but soon other places. Chinese manufacturers are doing much better than expected because no one believes in them to begin with.
Chinese cars are great. I think the future is China, Everyone knows that China will become the next superpower. A peaceful country that focuses on development not like the U.S.
@@ev.c6 I don't know what's the case in Denmark, but I have seen a bunch of MG on street in UK, Spain and Germany.
@@deezeed2817 MG is owned by China and manufactured in China 😂
The world should not underestimated China, not just cars, but everything made in China now are totally different from what we have seen 20 years ago, while they can still maintain very low prices, the quality is improving substantially, everything are in world standard now, some are ahead of the world such as infrastructures, AI, solar technology…
then you go ahead and drive it.
@@_F_Y_ I am waiting for years. No dealer in my country yet. 😔
@@_F_Y_ with great pleasure.
@@_F_Y_ , you may not want it, but millions other wanted to own it, if not then why its selling so well??
@@_F_Y_ Lots of these in Kazakhstan, no problems as I've heard.
Reasonable prices, good quality, fast cars (Zeekr 001 for example).
The blade battery of BYD in China is the most advanced battery in the world, and many countries' buses are BYD with high cost-effectiveness. Currently, BYD is the world's best-selling electric vehicle, and Tesla also uses BYD battery technology. Currently, the proportion of electric vehicles in China is increasing, which is basically half of that of gasoline vehicles. Europe talks about environmental protection all day, but there is no implementation. Electric vehicles are far behind China and the United States. When China's electric penetration rate reaches 90%, I don't think Europe will have any chance of winning this competition, not only because politicians are short-sighted, but also because a large number of voters who don't understand anything are constantly manipulated and deceived by the media
It would be a mistake to think that the Chinese can only copy products. Like the Japanese and Koreans before them, they only copy until they have enough experience and know-how to be able to produce better products than the companies they copied from. Once upon a time both Japanese and Korean cars were considered to be "cheap knockoffs", but given time, they were able to produce vehicles that stand with the best of those made in Western countries.
In fact in terms of battery technology the Chinese are already years ahead of any batteries made by competitors. Largely thanks to a short-sighted patent that gave the Chinese free rein to use LFP technology while restricting all other competitors, and thus giving them many years of headstart in that technology. But to their credit they made the best of the headstart they were given and are now undisputedly producing the longest lasting and safest batteries in the world.
This was why Tesla switched all their shorter ranged vehicles and home batteries to using LFP batteries, because after starting to use them in their Chinese Gigafactory, they realised that LFP batteries were without doubt the best batteries for their vehicles where range was not as important, and rapidly brought them over to use in other Gigafactories.
The Chinese government also put Chinese EV makers through a "survival of the fittest" hyper competitive environment, and the ones that are now expanding out of China (BYD, MG (SAIC), Polestar (Geely), Xpeng and Nio to name a few) are the ones who have survived and thrived. There were hundreds of EV manufacturers that went bankrupt during this process and as usual no one knows the losers.
If they’re not solving their spicy batteries issue they can try and try and try. I think a lot of people are ready for good quality Chinese products but I’m afraid just a few daring designs and tech gimmicks are not enough. Too many batteries are going on fire in China and of course the CCP is trying to cover it up and save face as per usual. Knowing how temperature and mechanical shocks can damage batteries and increase chances of fires, knowing the weather and road quality of where I love I’d be reluctant to get any electric car, never mind a Chinese one.
The loser would most certainly be the customers. The problem with the battery is that it explodes (not just fire), ordinary fire extinguisher couldn't put it out.
@@threesixnine369six You are babbling nonsense. CATL and BYD are 1st and 3rd largest EV battery producers in the world. You must have been asleep while this was happening.
@@threesixnine369six this is bs, lots of Chinese EV cars here . Reasonable price and 400-500hp (Zeekr) for example.
Wumaos have a party here.
The host is a perfect example of western arrogance and ignorance over other civilisations. Kudos to the guest who delivers with logic and patience.
Chinese EV car companies are already about 10 years ahead of traditional car manufacturers. I know of 3 EVs from China I would love to have here in the States.
Some daring designs ad gimmicky tech is not enough. They can afford fast tracked development and production in order to aggressively compete in a well established automotive industry, but currently quite a few of their electric cars are going on fire. I think a lot of people are waiting for amazing quality Chinese products but I think they’re just not ready yet. And then of course you have plenty of people easily seduced by anything shiny that comes from China.
Good lithium ion betteries and quality at cheap prices .... Looking forward to see China EVs enter world market.
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@@Oscarcat2212 Beep boop beep.
Lol nobody want Chinese e-cars in the state. Good luck with that.
0:16 competition
1:40 government foresight - US saw the effectiveness and ban as usual
2:30 European quality
6:35 copying accusation but good response from interviewee
A rare positive story regarding China yet the host still tried to inject a negative spin at the end but thankfully failed.
Germans are planning for the next generation of vehicles to hit the market around 2027. Meanwhile China is planning for next year. Very similar designs, just going twice as fast...
Lol
"Very similar designs" riiiiiight, meaning stea.. 'cof' 'cof' .. led ip... 🙄
@@SerginhoPMoura in this case it is the Europeans steal Chinese manufacturers
Because “Made in China” is considered by all to the mark of quality … lol
@@MovieGuy808 I know isn't it amazing how times have changed
This was always predicted. Years ago - ~ 2018 - at a major EV conference in Stuttgart each of the largest European automakers were predicting exactly this.
China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore all are Chinese communities. That force is formidable, soon to be unstoppable.
Tesla and BYD are ahead. Their products are better than Toyota, Nissan, VW and the rest. Obviously better at a price point.
Of course Europeans will buy Chinese products. The majority of products sold in Europe are made in China anyway. I think people forget that the majority of what they buy in European stores is chinese made. The same will be true for cars. Europeans have to drop the idea that they make superior products, because they don't any more.
Made in China by European companies.
The great economic reset is happening right before our eyes. I wouldn´t be surprised if in 20 years even cars from Vietnam and Indonesia will outclass European cars. Remember British cars and motorcycles? Japan and Germany destroyed that quite quickly after world war 2.
Rolls royce and bently say high.
Japan is always a copycat of China for millenia. Japanese culture is Chinese Tang Dynasty culture replica. Google search for “Japanese missions to imperial China” and “Japanese missions to Tang Dynasty”. Their culture and writing system came from China. Germany innovated the first car and invented mechanics. Japanese cars, American cars and Korean cars are all copycat brands.
Rode in a Chinese BYD taxi in 2018, it was fantastic.
Chinese EV and US Tesla EV are slowly but surely destroying the German car economy.
In the first quarter of this year, China surpassed Japan to become the world's number one automobile export.
@@tonyl7337 with Chinese parts you mean
@Tony L EV don't have engines and transmissions
@Tony L ??????
Mostly cheap entry level stuff
@Tony L In fact,among cars exported ,Only Tesla are made by foreign companies
Interesting to see the reporter really struggle to discredit the chinese with talk of quality and intellectual property rights. Evs are a new field that people are learning on the go the chinese have just done better. About technology byd is a leader in battery technology, thats arguably one of the most important technologies in evs.the western leader in ev is actually using byd batteries
I would prefer anything than American junk. They charge you the highest price, but offer the lowest quality.
It isn't so much the car industry but the greater industrial growth in the machine tools and tool making, both punch press and mold making/die casting dies. And it all begins with the steel industry that is the world's largest. They are extremely hard working and driven. But it's still hard to believe that this all happened within the last 30 to40 years.
Also batteries.
In the past 20 years, Europe has not kept pace with the United States and East Asian countries. New technologies are always emerging in the United States and East Asia. Europe has stopped developing both technologically and economically. Europe is becoming less and less important.
Who cares, we in Europe are living a good and relaxed live✌️
What a silly claim. Name a field where Europe is far behind?
@@thegreatdane3627 Economic growth.
@@ensteffo economic growth in 2022, according to IMF:
USA: 2,1%, China: 3,0%, EU: 3,5%
Want to try again?
@@thegreatdane3627 europe 3.5%? Its more like 1.5% you try again.
When I went in 2018 electric cars was already everywhere and super cheap. Also available to rent.
You guys clearly haven’t seen the videos going around about their graveyard of electric vehicles and bicycles. Get informed guys.
This discussion is suggesting that Chinese auto companies are getting ready to take over the market for EVs in Europe and the US. Seems like people are forgetting that automobiles are subject to more import controls than other product by every country. Tesla built a market in Europe with expensive vehicles and only then began building cars in Germany now that the market has been established.
US is still not allowing China EV to enter the market yet. Hopefully soon. I am waiting for it in Canada. If US don't allow, don't think Canada will. 😂
@@cinpeace353 Chinese EVs are allowed in the US market so long as they follow the laws and safety regulations like everyone else. The biggest issue is that there's still an import tariff of something like 25-30%, but some Chinese brands are either buying into existing US/Euro brands or planning to build local manufacturing/assembly.
Nobody is forced to do business in China - if you don't like the terms then just don't enter!
As someone who used to work for an electronics corporation and with Chinese OEMs in developing new products, none of this is surprising.
Europeans have collectively been underestimating the Chinese forever. If we don't start playing a global game and take our competition seriously we'll lose out.
To late all countries used china for cheap slave labour and now china build's everything now because they stole all the blue prints and made their own products 😂 greedy elites karma
EU already lost.
@@denisgorjunov don't be so pessimistic. The EU is more resilient than you'd think. But it needs to stop acting like it's the 1900s
Already far behind
@@jojo-pk China's weight is huge.
I don’t normally watch DW for their west-biased approach and use of US narratives..the consultant from CapGemini was being polite and tried to explain the facts and yet the DW journo is still trying to use his understanding of 20th century China 😂. I feel sorry for most of the comments put in this channel, as it seems most still understand China based on their 20th century, I don’t blame them as it’s unprecedented in human history a country can changed so dramatically in 20-30 years where it took European and US century to have this happened. I think Chinese will love that attitude it will mean most of these still do not understand what’s coming in terms of competition. Read the other day, how BYD was brave enough to go for the Japanese auto market, and it seems they are picking up a good initial sales in the first few months.
China didn't steal the market, it's just their government systems have less debate and therefore moving policy is a lot faster than in the West. This is good, some countries need to be the pilot of the electric car so others can follow / case-study n and lowered the price of global e-car so it is more affordable.
I am sure there are debates behind the scenes. It is just China is more like a company leading by a CEO while some countries in the West is more like a student union leading by a chairman. Officials are capable vs Officials are popular.
@@cinpeace353 so true. Either way, world need some fast action to move toward more sustainable world
@kiwikemist so true. Not just a popular contest. I find what china scary is that, they have a CEO like government, plenty of resources and plenty of talented people eager to compete with each other to produce or find a new way. Often they "inspired" by some West product, more often than not, they made it better n cheaper for the masses.
I think from all the countries that take part in the Paris agreement, I feel China did the most n I feel they would b the first to achieve the set goal.
Apparently, I have heard that BYD is the top seller in Israel.
Meanwhile saudi is reducing oil production again. Good idea to transition.
It's good to keep in mind while considering statistics - Chinese manufacturers count deliveries to dealerships as 'sales' ..... so munch on that bs sandwitch
@@daturadreams BYD became the world leader in electric vehicle sales in 2022.
@@dark_master_Makei : >>BYD became the world leader in electric vehicle sales in 2022.
The problem is that automobile sales continually increase, leading to absolute gridlock in urban areas. It's quicker to ride a bike in many cases when the distance is short & parking is factored into the equation.
Give China money, thats ar absolute no god for the future😨😨
Bike is easier to steal and birds, cats and dogs can ruin your vhicle by peeing or doing numer two on it.
Very true. So Chinese made electric scooters and bikes are selling like hot cakes as well
It depends on city planning. If public transit is convenient and affordable, some people may prefer public transit. I have a car. However, when I need to go downtown for conferences, I prefer park and ride if the conference is close to a subway/SkyTrain station.
Don't forget walking and public transit. I love it when I don't need a car to go anywhere
Charging problem is Euro problem not EV problem. In China, EV owners have their own chargers in the garage, and charging point in everywhere including services area of highway.
Chinese corporate socialism
well, Chinese companies cannot copy things that do not yet exist in Europe..
Can you count on these companies being around and providing spare parts in a few years?
EV market is very dynamic. Some companies may not be exist in a few years time. There is a risk to buy an EV from certain companies.
I would trust Chinese electric cars - after I see/read independent third party worldwide audits.
Individual wheel rotation and torque control, individual wheel vectorial tracking, individual active suspension, autonomous driving, plus hundreds of sensors... EV is going to redefine Cars, even regardless the green issues.
Car no more is as much a mechanical machine as it is a mechatronic system.
Why should i buy an ev from China when i can buy an ev from Korea Japan Europa or Vietnan?Oh because they are a little cheaper?I dont care,no problem to pay more!
Don't you like fire, Chinese EVs going on fire is guaranteed.
Why you are telling me what you want? Think I care?
@@JigilJigil You probably never have a chance to see a China EV. Why keep spreading those lies?
The EV from China is product that survived in fiercely domestic competition.
All these hi-tech were largely available in West but never shared openly with developing countries and people-in-need. Now with China in the lead, such technologies and collaborations help world towards a shared and prosperous future.
No, West do not have. So they call copy or steal. In fact these tech is created by chinese.
When the war starts in Taiwan ,what is going to happen tospare parts?
There are route on land for exports. 😅. Remember BRI? The new silk road?
One persepctive missed out is the level of competition among the companies and also the Chinese working people are so intense that they spear ahead technology advancement and quality improvement. The young gen chinese are also highly educated, competing among peers making them pushing bounderies of their products that is now seems threat to the Germans. Many see China 996 imbalance life but also due to long hours, they work relentlessly more than anyone in the world. China overtaking Germany brands EV is now their result.
Yeah this is the problem with unrelenting capitalism. How can you compete against people that are willing to live in dormitories where 50 people share 10 toilets and no privacy?
The technology edge is subsiding. Should we just subjugate the American or European way of life or just give up?
If we do it the Chinese way, we get something like a dictatorship Hong Kong. Are you okay living in a crate and having the rich get much richer and poor poorer.
@Tony L you're assuming China will be static and not improve. Germany and China will both improve.
@@jesuisrobert808 Hong Kong is the result of unfettered capitalism, silly 😂
@Tony L Germany is far behind China in EV technology. Cry harder, whyyte boi
@tonyl7337 china already overtook germany in technology.take a biref look at AI, Quantum computing, 5g, aerospace and many others. automobiles is already germany's strongest area and even this is eroding fast
🕊️ Chinese EV high quality, the Best 👌🏼👍🏼
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He looks so happy with himself good for him
The West, my country included, continue to debate if climate change is real, and point to China's emissions as an excuse to do nothing. Meanwhile,China has taken over solar, will take over battery manufacturing, and will soon take over the E.V. market.
Renewables, storage and electrification of transport offer huge potential for innovation and growth,. Sadly there are powerful forces in business and politics that will ensure that China, not the West will take the lead.
where are you from? tell your politician to learn from Hungary, Orban welcomed Chinese CATL battery to set factory there, maybe Tesla Germany would buy battery from Hungary soon because Germany is too anti-Chinese.
@@lvjinbin28 that is yet another example of China taking over the market. Setting up in Hungary allows them access to the European Market. That is not the same as establishing your own industry.
Elon musk has increased Tesla investments in China because he can see that they just get things done instead of talking like western politicians
>> ,China has taken over solar, will take over battery manufacturing, and will soon take over the E.V. market.
@@tooltalk Agree only in the West. Rest of the world will be buying Chinese EVs.
how could anyone doubt the Chinese EV capability? They've been investing in this longer than any other country and with more capital than any other country. Who makes all the batteries? An EV is very nearly a battery pack with wheels and seats bolted to them
>>They've been investing in this longer than any other country
@@tooltalk right just not the capital or the conviction. They were all looking at hydrogen.
@@wayangpok :>> right just not the capital or the conviction. They were all looking at hydrogen.
@@tooltalk Hybrid tech != EV tech
@@marcob1729 : Sure, Japan has long been investing and researching solid-state, lithium-ion and hydrogen for decades. Let's not forget that China's largest battery maker, CATL, was founded in 2011 as a spin-off of Japan's TDK.
Cars are price sensitive. The Chinese build affordable electric vehicles. Western governments are about high taxes on imported Chinese vehicles and greedy importers. These two don't care about the environment.
More and more affordable EV cars, which is good to the environment and consumers. Absolutely good news!
Yes, China could expend its e-car market, that's why china is a developed country and should not have any trade protection. good news! Many congrats Chinese!
Good news for the environment bad news for everything else lol. It’s basically the worst possible way we could help the environment but it’s helping the environment nontheless
Not really good for the environment. Using public transportation or staying at home is better.
@@TinLeadHammer Its good to go out once in while❤
Don't be naive. Consider how each EV vehicle is produced and where the electricity come from. Many are still coal based.
Car was invented in Germany. Then Americans learnt to make cars. Then Japanese. Then Korean. This is one kind of very old technology. Given enough time, every country will be able to make its own car. It’s not surprise that Chinese can make cars. It will be a surprise that China can’t make cars. In the future, Indians will make their cars. So Germany should start to accept the fact that you invent something which doesn’t only you can do it. Technology and knowledge can spread eventually to the whole human race.
India is already making its own car. Just their brands are not famous and no export.
I'm disappointed they didn't address how the trade war between China and America could will effect EV production. Say if in retaliation for the Micron ban, America restricts NVIDIA from exporting advanced chips to China, that would cripple the driver assist in Chinese EVs. Chinese companies have stated plans to develop domestic production but that kind of research/development is a multi-year process.
"Say if"... They already did before China lower demand from Micron. Micron is not a totally ban. Just not using it in some industries. 😅
China is also a major chipmaker, Those chips in 14NM which for control systems are advantages for China manufacturer
@@jackytang3683 I know that China has seen major growth in fabless, IDM and OSAT semiconductor companies. The problem for EVs is the huge variety of chips (not just control systems) from silicon carbide (SiC) substrates and wafers, SiC power semiconductors, AC/DC and DC/DC converter chips, high-power inverters, etc... China can eventually supply that domestically, but they don't currently have enough foundries to meet the need. I was hoping Peter Fintl would give an estimate on how many years it will be before new facilities come online. He used to be the head semiconductor analyst at Capgemini so I expected him to discuss that issue.
@@Western_Decline Or the nutty ambitions of the CCP?
Nvidia isn't needed for China AI EVs.
as a Chinese, we know China has rare petrol resource. 90%Oil reply on import.
It can predict that Germany will immediately encourage the EU coffee machine senators to introduce a national security law on electric vehicles, a national security law on manual toys, a law on sanctions against forced labor on electric vehicles, a law on compulsory carbon emissions trading for electric vehicles, electric vehicle human rights law, etc.😂
maybe it's China destroyed the pipeline😝😝
Except they sell loads of things into China, so O doubt they could afford to do that.
Sounds good. We should start implementing those right away.
And Vehicle TransType rights. 😆
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 Ya and get VW, Mercedes, BMW and Audi out of China. Why sell these great brands there anyway? The Chinese don't deserve them.
It’s amazing how many electric cars are seeing in Chinese road, china is definitely dominating and way ahead of the world
The Chinese pivot to EV around 15 years ago, long before Elon Musk even thought of establishing Tesla. So it isn't an instant thing, but the result of long term vision, hard work and huge investment in R&D. The Chinese gov under Hu Jintao recruited ex Audi executive to be their minister in charge of building Chinese auto industry, to compete with the legacy Auto. He immediately steered the Chinese auto industry towards EV because he understood that it was useless to try to catch up with legacy auto in ICE. Now the Chinese are reaping the rewards.
@Tony L Polestar are Geely. Look harder.
@@tonyl7337 Your right technically Swedish. I imagine Nokia said the same thing when the iPhone came out.
OK wumao if you say so and Chinese went to the moon before NASA.
nokia: smart phones are only a tony percentage of mobile phones in market.
@Tony L They are releasing their products one market at a time. Rest be assured, you will see them in the next 5 years, and given their pricing and battery competitive advantages, they will easily ride in the top 5 by sales. Here in Australia, we.nevwr thought anyone would buy their cars. How wrong we were.
7:43 This a false narrative. Company are not force into tech transfers, joint ventures in China. The companies can always walk away!. Take VW in China for example. The Chinese made the same offer to GM, Toyota, Honda they all walked away in the late 1980's. Maybe GM walked away because they were the biggest manufacturing company in the world at the time, Toyota, Honda was kicking but in the US. VW was a one car company an was not doing well so maybe that is why they took the deal!
>>This a false narrative. Company are not force into tech transfers, joint ventures in China....> The companies can always walk away!.
European is already behind when it comes to electric vehicles
Germany has started loosing its innovative edge
As a european. I would never buy car made in China
I rather walk than us Chinese cars
Not for me, never!
Good luck 🥱
You rather die we don't care 😂😂😂. One poor will get food to eat if you die😂😂
Tell me you're brainwashed without telling me
@@vervetech9395 Cope harder. If a German car manufacturer wants to pay cents on the euro to source their plastic part from the CCP I couldn’t care less, but if I’m supposed to to buy a car from these copycats I’m gonna pass.
I keep waiting in Europe for the same level of cheap, quality and efficient EV but see no sign for very long.
We need to focus on better public transport systems. E-Cars are anti-environment in their construction.
Nop EVs are 40% less carbon at less from sourcing raw mineral, manufacturing till end of service life.
You mean a massive network of electric high speed rail? Or perhaps electric driven subway systems in all major cities? Or transitioning diesel buses to electric? Transitioning taxi and ride share fleets to electric? Banning 2 stroke motorcycles and mopeds and making all urban 2 wheel and 3 wheel vehicles electric? Only one place in the world where all of that is taking place all at the same times, and that place is China.
China also manufactures trains and rails, light rail, Cargo rail, High speed rail and many more.
China has a strong public transport system, they are fast and cheap. But this can only solve the problem of commuting between cities, and China's land area is 9.6 million square kilometers, and the distance between cities is very large, you can not rely on public transportation.
Look at Tesla, 100% owned by itself, no China domestic company stepped in. The joint venture policy has gone.
China has less govt regulation, however I have seen a report only a year ago that showed the batteries do not last as long and they have less milage. Personally I dont see that ev vehicles are cracked up to be as environmentally friendly as claimed with the rare earths needed and the batteries dont last that long and they create 70% more green house emissions to make than a combustion car. There are huge developments in synthetic fuels, hydrogen and other battery types which are much cleaner than whats currently flavor of the month.
Synthetic fuel and hydrogen, they still burn. Beside EVs are 40% less carbon than ICE from the mining source to end of life.
>> China has less govt regulation, however I have seen a report ...
@@kongwee1978 and the batteries are over 90% recyleable
To chalenge Europeans. Why, in EV market there is only Tesla and China. I dont see Europe only Porsche near any kind of market share in 10 years time.
There is a funny point that people now arguing EV cars for using batteries are just using their smart phones, pads and laptops which also powered by batteries😂
What is your point?
6:30 DW anchor asks the salient question. The Capgemini guest's answer explains much.
Meh, given "made in China" quality and the various issues that occurred in that regard lately, I'll NEVER buy a chinese car, electric or not, thanks...
Don't you like a car that comes with fireworks?!
The prejudice from the host rediculous.
I live in Mexico. My son has three buddies who either bought or the family bought one of the Chinese cars, two electric and one gas. All three spend more than three months back at the agencies for months...the warranty is wasting away in the shop because they don't work well. The quality is not good.
gas powered go carts, n motor scooters would fare better than EVs.
short, n long term.
Mexico builds decent cars already, often exported straight to US dealerships. Should've just bought local lol
Bias could be clearly seen on the host's face as well as in his question. He could learn to be objective from the guest.
This is what I think is going to happen: In the 70'-80's in the US, automakers got spoiled by having a captive audience, American consumers and the quality of the cars dropped off, so Japan jumped in with Datsun, Toyota, Honda and US automakers had to play catch up to stay in business. Now I think the Chinese EV's will be in the US on a huge scale because they make a competitive auto at a lower price.
U.S. politics may keep them out of the U.S. market in many cases. U.S. is now afraid of fair competion with China due to political hysteria in Washington, DC. We'll see.
你错了，美国为了国家利益不会允许中国车在美国，这一定是为了基于国际的世界秩序😂
Tesla shanghai is 100% owned by Tesla. China has no limit on company owner. And base on bias DW always say china steal technology. I want ask what Tech china stole from you? Do you make EVs? If not, where is the TECH？
In an environment where TikTok and huawei are considered national security risk points, what is the chance of fleets of autonomous cars connected at all time with an (suspected/alleged) unknown server somewhere with information flows in one direction and commands in another be left alone as in pre-2018 international trade paradigm?
Yeah, this world is strange....
Capitalism is really wild
If I wanted to buy an electric car I wouldn't buy the Chinese knock-off built with stolen technology.
lol. what technology do you have? you guys even don't have a better EV than China
Cope harder
I've just seen two videos about how dangerous Chinese EVs are. Catching fire a lot and not deploying airbags in serious crashes.
yes, EVs / lithium batteries ignite, n explode. charging EVs everywhere
would overload the power grid, n cause lots of fires, n power outages.
have you ever check how many ICE vehicles catches fire every year?
Meanwhile Byd Atto 3, Nio ES8 and ET 7 and GWM Ora Cat models awarded 5 star safety rating from Euro NCAP.
Haven't you seen more videos about how dangerous the fuel vehicles are? There are millions more videos about this.
If they are sold in your country they will go through the same saftey tests as any other car.
You must remember that when you are inside a Mercedes-Benz the luxury interior will be very comfortable as you sit there waiting for the fuel station to get gasoline delivered... Although after a week or two of waiting you might want to get out and see if you can find a battery-operated car to take you home.
Three fuel trucks have arrived in the time it took you to charge your vehicle made of chinesium. But don't worry, the Benz owner is just as foolish as you are in the eyes of those who'd rather use public transport.
I don't see how giant screens covered in finger prints on the passenger dash reflecting sun in your eyes is comfortable but you do you.
@@rippspecknot after the pipeline and tanker wars...
It’s interesting to hear about the general idea of made in china stuff is bad quality. The system lacks regulations on many products thus leads to bad quality products flooding the market. When the system has regulations that promotes quality like prioritizing safety concerns, the factories are definitely capable of producing such products like automobiles. Just like how many big brands like Apple, tesla, Honda, Dell, HP, Volkswagen (just name a few brands) all have Chinese manufacturers in the past decade or so.
This perception of quality is strange for the reasons you pointed out. I think the leading analogy is when Japanese cars came to the west, but China is not Japan. The only problem with Chinese cars is that we have different expectations, it’s cultural and design. Chinese makers have overcome most of those barriers. They are coming.
Really funny because serpentza released a video just a month ago talking about how Chinese EVs have a really nasty habit of randomly breaking, catching fire, or even exploding, with alarming regularity. He even supported it with reams of footage, all uploaded by Chinese users and bystanders to these events.
@@yayhandles Quoting a serial liar... nice
@@hclau218 I've heard that's what the CCP calls honest people. Thanks for validating that claim.
@@yayhandlesall this footage is nice, but I’d like some genuine statistics. They said the same about teslas catching fire a few years back but it turns out it was a media hit job by the traditionalist auto makers
Poor quality No service centers
Why are thousands abandoned in lots?
This is the difference between having one political entity putting an impressive amount of public funds into R&D in multiple fields that can produce tech that it's industries can then utilize versus other political entities cutting governent spending in education and public research with the sole exception of weapons R&D.
Ironically, that's why the US beat the USSR's economy and now we're the ones repeating that mistake because we're asked to reduce spending so we can make billionaires even richer billionaires with ever more tax cuts so they can have a few extra mansions and yahts that would have no impact intheir quality of life and their wealth will only serve to increase the wealth gap that threatens our democracy.
Either we roll up our sleeves, tax the rich and fund technological "moonshots" in aerospace, energy, cyberentics, genetic engineering, nanotech and medical nanotech, quantum computing, material technology and nuclear physics or we better start learning chinese so we can understand the instruction manuals for the tech we will have no option but buy from them because they'll be decades ahead of us.
The USA is still largely ahead in most fields. Of course, twenty years ago we said we were forty years ahead; ten years ago we said we were twenty years ahead, now we say they're ahead in some small fields, ahead in integration, but we're still five or ten years ahead...
Meanwhile, economists have asserted that technological growth is the fundamental driver of economic growth...
@@DarkwarriorJ Yeah, basically the US and EU got complacent with the fall of the USSR, and cut spending in research, infrastructure, benefits,worker rights,etc
(Also proving that they're bought by billionaires who want a plutocracy that the moment they could say "there's no alternative to us" they fast tracked turning the world into a cyberpunk dystopia because it would maximize their wealth at everyone's expense)
And now they're crying that their money making scheme is not viable long term and puts them at a geopolitical disadvantage and are fearmongering about china taking over but don't want to do the one thing that retains the "world leader" status because they want to be even richer and pay even less taxes despite their money being so concentrated into the hands of so few that it's a logistical error that's threatening to collapse our society.
The main capital is the people. It is necessary to invest in the upbringing and education of young people in order to get results in 15-20 years.
@@dark_master_Makei true.
Education needs more finding
However there's a lot of highly educated people not working in their field and a ton of promising research programs running on a shoestring budget .
R&D funding NEEDS to return to space race levels, if not beyond.
Education alone doesn't result in innovation
Research and swift results NEEDS funding.
I think Germany is decoupling. Then why do they even care?
Germany is drawing the lesions from Japan and South Korea. Both Japan and South Korea were lackluster in teaming up with Chinese in chips and smart phone development. And they insisted to work alone and develop their own Chinese market. They were in fear that Chinese will "steal" their technologies. But the reality is that, one way or the other, Chinese will acquire the technologies. It might take three or five years longer but the end is expected. Once they get the technology, if you are their partners, they will simply push you out of their market. It is quite simple logic: technology for market, you get want you desire and I get what I desire. If you don't give up the technology, we will still let you stay until the moment you no longer have the technology advantage.
Germany is taking a new route. They will START WITH technology sharing because they know that China has developed to such an advanced stage that they could get the technology quickly, one way or the other. So they use technology as the investment, and protects it with geopolitics (EU slightly learning toward China) and HOPE that China won't take their technology and kick them out. So far this Foreign Affiliate Asset investment model is working. They are part of the "investment club" led by China and protected by EU geopolitical maneuvers.
From China's perspective, if you want market and want investment return, you can not KEEP your technologies and design talents. You must share and we will give you profits. Stop the BS about Intellectual Properties Stealing. It is just IP in exchange for market. If you have a problem, get out. If you like the idea, stay in. One way or the other, China will dominate.
Spoken like a true plagiarist. From a country that has turned stealing into an industry.
That great! But chinese cars won't be certified in the US. The US will rather slit their own throats than see Chinese cars dominate their turf. Toronto, Canada
Hard to really guess how good they really will be
No, it isn't. They're outright, blatantly, and obviously better than comparable Western analogues. Period. That will only continue to be increasingly so.
My son, went to China 5 years ago after graduating from UCSD. Recently bought a BYD made hybrid car. When fully charged and filled up, it can travel 1200 km. Goes 200 km on electric alone. 0 to 100km 3.9s, for the price of 25k usd. He’s very happy with it. Meanwhile, I am in California driving a Lexus GX460, ($65k + 9.25% tax) getting 15 miles per gallon on average with premium fuel.
What do you conclude?
@Tony L Agree, BYD has a very good reputation. Japanese ICE is old tech.
@Tony L BYD less than 300K? Are you looking at old data?
@Tony L It does matter because BYD is a new comer. It was almost non-existent 10 years ago and it has been playing catch-up all along. You have to get the latest figure in order to appreciate how far it has gone.
I have two German and one Japanese cars but i am waiting to buy a Nio ET5 or EC7 as my next car. No more German or Japanese cars for me.
Notice that he is talking in terms of renminbi, not dollars or euros. So it is not just Chinese cars that will be exported to Europe.
The Chinese engineers work 16 hours 6 days a week. Enough said. All those keyboard haters will eventually have to swallow your own spit.
So they are basically slaves? But at least the economy is growing I guess. Most European/US companies will switch to the Philippines for labour, since China is getting too expensive and the Chinese are not trustworthy partners.
@@darksidegamer6192 It's the work ethic, with sacrifice, comes peace of mind during retirement. You need to see how hard Elon Musk is working. Anyways, EU/US may not be relevant in 10-20 years as the world's economic center levitates to Asia. If Philippines was a viable manufacturing hub, companies would have already moved there by now. It's just a pipe dream, or hallucination as the psychologists would call it.
The current labor legislation in the People's Republic of China officially establishes an eight-hour working day and no more than 44 hours a week.
@@AP-ei4jt It's proven that working longer than 8 hours is extremely inefficient, since productivity drops severely and workers tend to have burnout. There are even companies where you only have to work 4 hours in Germany and their productivity is way higher than in China, because employees are extremely happy. With sacrifice comes early death during retirement. If you really think that the US/Europe would become irrelevant than your ideology makes you blind. Nobody, not even China thinks that this will happen. We are talking about a multipolar world but the US will always be a superpower just because of it's size. Tensions only really started when Trump was in office and once Xi started playing the communist card again, transitioning all of your industrie to new partners takes a while. But I found your attack on my psychological health quite amusing, makes me feel civilized.
15hours of that time is focused on stealing.
You are risking your life when you drive. I consider my life valuable and thus will choose Japanese companies.
hahahaha. like Toyota broken brake car
The Chinese EVs are designed predominantly by european designers and euro and japanese engineers. The quality is overall excellent.
@Tony L the parts are not inferior.
@@tonyl7337 You might want to look a bit hard Tony . DJI's a great example we get in the west. Also ask yourself why Huawei really got band and why Apple make the iPhone there, their not getting the parts sent over from the US you know.
They are garbage same as their gas cars
Quality of ev fires you mean?
the charging infrastructure isn't there, n won't be for a very long time.
not enough charging stations, and / or electricity to be able to handle
millions of charging EVs, and electricity would become too expensive.
🇨🇳 BYD , Chery , Li Auto, Changan, Nio, GAC. 💪🏼👍🏼
Tesla 👎🏿
Volkswagen 😢😢
Instead of huge SUVs and luxury limos, German automobile producers should make something like the original Volkswagen Käfer/Beetle again, a small, compact, robust car which looks cute, built to last and easy to repair, only this time with electric motors instead of a combustion engine. Four direct drive motors built directly into the wheel hubs, a battery pack in the back where the engine in the original VW used to be, and other than that very few mechanical moving parts, just robust, simple electronics, nothing too fancy and overpowered. Make it cheap, simple, indestructible. Give it just enough power to reach 130 km/h if needed, make it as lightweight as possible, with just enough space for five people, it's OK if getting in and out is a little cumbersome. Put the trunk in front, just like in the original VW. Maybe add separate bumpers again so that if you accidentally bump into something, repairs will be easy and cheap.
And, of course, we need more two- and three-wheeled electric vehicles. Not just pedelecs, which are just bicycles with an auxiliary electric motor, but also electric scooters, and I don't mean those annoying mini-scooters, but things like electric Vespas. And electric mopeds, motorbikes, and trikes. We need to get away from the one-size-fits-all motorcar, there's no need to go by car if you're a single person with a bit of baggage. There are cargo trailers that can be hooked up to a bicycle, pedelec, scooter, or moped, and if you use those, you're more flexible than you can be with a cargo bike since you can always leave the trailer at home when you don't need it. If you need to make deliveries, maybe a cargo trike is an option, lorries should only be used if absolutely necessary, and we need to get those huge numbers of lorries out of our cities.
Automobiles are profit driven. Large luxury vehicles have generous profit margins & the service is based on maximizing profit as technology makes self repair difficult.
@@misterfunnybones I know that. Which is why I think the world needs to get rid of capitalism and the profit motive ASAP.
@@elfboi523 Hey, just a friendly reminder that normies don't want to hear about the horrors of capitalism. As long as the status quo provides a couple of crumbs for them, they're happy.
I just don't see that selling or appealing based off the current consumer tastes.
@@baronvonjo1929 Consumer tastes are easily manipulated by advertising and marketing.
They out-produce other countries but how many Chinese EVs are bought and driven? There are images of acres upon acres of unsold Chinese-made EVs sitting in fields for years. It’s crazy. I think they were produced for several failed ride-sharing services of some kind. Probably not the best quality vehicles.
The newsman asked all the stereotype/prejudiced questions from 15 years ago. Still living in Donkey World.