What is Russia's Baltic 'Shadow Fleet'? | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Despite a raft sanctions, Russia has continued shipping and selling its crude oil to the world. The Danish straits are a popular transit point for Russian oil, which helps fund Moscows war efforts in Ukraine. Stopping the flow of money depends on stopping these ships, and now the Danish government is facing pressure to take more decisive action.
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Europe is buying the Russian oil through India, haha!
And Russia is paying for it (aka for the intermediary), given Europe is paying the same price it used to before, not more.
And the Arab countries 😅😅
@@lepetitroquet9410Europe pay Less then before... About 25 - 33 dollars less per barrel😂
@@Rubberduck-zt8lm I mean, if you compare to 2010-2014, yes. But I was kinda averaging the price instead of picking that period of high prices (or during Covid when it was exceptionnally low).
That's why I'm talking of "paying basically the same".
Though you're right, Europe pays less than in 2010-14. About 25-33 dollars less per barrel, I have to aknwoledge that fact.
India refines the crude it buys cheap from Russia, It then sells it in the open market for ah profit, The only looser here is Russia 😊
How exactly can you stop another country from sailing through international waters?!!
by piracy ofc
@@palar4195 that will just open the floodgate for criminality around the world, disrupting trade and raising insurance payout.
@@uchennaabosi7651 isn't dat is the goal for safe heaven of america?
@@palar4195 but it's not to their advantage; disruption of international trade will invariable lead to massive inflation all over including the United state.
@@uchennaabosi7651 it worked in the middle of last century, why wouldn't it work now.
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
Precisely
@@fingerprint8479 Attributed to Einstein, but not known to have been said by him...
@@GonzoTehGreat The content is what matters!
@@fingerprint8479 I agree it's a good quote, but in this case, attributing it to Einstein is an attempted appeal to authority, which is itself flawed, as he was a Physicist, not a Psychologist!
@@GonzoTehGreat That is the way I saw it.
But it doesn't really matter who created it but what it means.
"Not many buyers" just the largest countries in the world india and china lmfao
And both pay peanuts to Russia for its resources...
Aš far it is enought, Europe payed peanuts aš Well.
@artiefakt4402 Russia keeps profiting and Europeans pay more for their energy now. What a masterful economic chess move they've played 🤣
@@artiefakt4402 that is what you are made to believe
@@artiefakt4402 in your dreams 😂
Can anyone explain why if these ships are sailing through INTERNATIONAL WATERS need to insured in WESTERN COMPANIES 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Cargo ships require insurance to be allowed to dock at ports, not to travel through international waters.
@@GonzoTehGreat Then what about the risk of oil spilling and environmental damage. Who takes the responsibility for such accidents?
@@basithali1196 That is the point of the insurance these ships need.
@@basithali1196 Company itself... duh... russian logic at work.
@@basithali1196 Who took responsibility for leaked gas from Nord Stream?
The nordstream pipelines were blown up in danish waters, didn't hear a word then
Nope, not in Danish territory.. its was blown in the DK and Swedish economic zone...
Denmark refused Russia to put the NS pipeline in...
Of course not as they were blown up by Russia.
@@pjhgerlach it was the Ukrainian special forces or the Americans who blow it up...
Why should Russia blow up a 100 billion dollar pipe line that they played for?
It will never make any sense As the Russian government loved to use the gas as a Tool against Europe ...
Gas and oil is all they got😂
@@pjhgerlach If that were true, they would be screaming from the roof tops, and the investigation would be public for all to see. once again you demonstrate your western wisdom.
@@Rubberduck-zt8lm 26 September 2022 ; Location, Central Baltic Sea, near Bornholm, Denmark.
16 thousand sanctions and still loosing
European union can't buy oil from Russia which is more cheaper but they can buy oil from India and India is buying oil from Russia
Yet the european union isn't paying more for its oil. So... either India is selling it at a loss, or Russia is paying for having India as an intermediary ;p. Easy to see which one it is.
the 'cheap' part is only coz transportation means. thru India mean not cheap at all
@@lepetitroquet9410India gets ah 30 dollars per barrel discount from Russia, for crude, Which it then refines and sells onto the market, Making ah profit, Russia the only looser
That was the point of sanctions. It forces Russia to sell its oil at heavy discounts, the intermediaries get wealthy, not Russia, and the amount of globally available oil remains stable, keeping overall prices down.
@@serebii666 Yes, but that pushes India to Russia. Putin and Modi are in Astana, Khazakstan now.
Defenders of "freedom of navigation" brainstorming how to prevent freedom of navigation.
Right
It is not a shadow fleet, most are not even Russian owned. They all operate legally in International waters or in the territorial waters of the buying country.
It is a shadow fleet, being owned by Russia is not necessary to be one. The "shadow" aspect is from them breaking WTO regulations, truning off responders and creating fraudulent manifests - hence why they are called "shadow".
Mostly Greek.
Russia : Big country .
Denmark: Baby country 😄
These are international waters. There is nothing Denmark or EU can do. You don't want to get involved in a military confrontation with Russia.
Russia does not want to get involved in a military confrontation with EU/NATO.
You do want to, because it's the only language Russia understands.
Nordstream says:hi
Germany keep forgetting that their ally caused the biggest environmental terrorism in the Baltic sea. Attack on civilian infrastructure is also a crime in international law, but Germany is like, "let's not talk about Nordstream"
The globalists wanted to make a fool out of Russia. But instead, the globalists ended up making fools of themselves. Let that be a lesson.
Denmark trying to bite more than what it can chew
So who are buyers ???
Answer very strictly ...
Bingo ...
Yes he was buffering for a while with answer! As he should say most EU countries buying bloody oil from Russia
@@goodlightphotos
Oil money not for war
It's for lavish life of kremlinist ...
Another Russians kind of beasts ...
They fighting for a vodka and slice of bread ...
No more need ...
EU is indeed buying some of this oil, but most goes to neutral ports (e.g. in Turkey, India) and from there to destinations all over the world.
Must be Zimbabwe
So far, the only environmental accident that happened, was the Nord stream 2, made by the Americans, right?
and did anyone said something about ecology damage? But in Europe they tax cows for gas emission. That's really idiotic
"Illegal oil revenue"...Russia makes its own laws, so its not illegal.
Russia is a rogue state, none of their laws are legal
Wherever US laws do not apply, business is illegal. You don't seem to understand DW very well 🙂
what exactly is this comment even referring to ? 🤔Sure Russia has its own laws, so do all the other countries. Russian tankers going through the baltic sea would have to enter danish or swedish waters- in which danish/swedish laws apply, not russian laws. Am I missing something here ??
@@user-ry7rd2po7r Yes, you missing maritime law
@@user-ry7rd2po7r Do you think anyone cares about Denmark or Sweden? especially Russia? they can think whatever
Evidently the tankers re. Problem, but the yanks blowing up Nordstream was not a problem.
Because that was Russia's doing, comrade.
Nordstream 2 wasn't blown up, just damaged. However, it was never turned on anyway...
I cant get over how russian troll bot farm did not even learn to use English properly. Just proof that russia is falling apart.
@@LavionsOregon You yourself can't spell properly. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The irony!
Why would they want to learn English?,😂
“Anyone interacting with these vessels……. “ sounds like bullies
I have a better idea: stop the sanctions and then proper tankers will be used again automatically! It‘s just stpid to sanction the oil purchase from Russia and then buy the same oil through 3rd countries
32 countries keep whining while ukraine keep advancing towards poland
Its like they have balancing tears reporting this 😢😢😢 Russian is beating them at their own game.
I believe by using words like 'murky' shadow fleet and other negative words is to give a semblance of illegality. The only question is are the ships in international waters if the answer is yes. Neither Denmark or anyone can do anything physical to even disrupt the movement.
They're called a shadow fleet because they're unregistered to avoid sanctions. If a ship is registered then it's progress can be tracked via ports.
@@GonzoTehGreat Unregistered. In what way are they unregistered?
@@GonzoTehGreatwhy should they be registered with westerners? You westerners don’t own world . They are registered in Russia and countries like India
Shadow now refers to everything over which control has been lost.
@@hypothebai4634
The largely anonymous tanker purchases can be tracked by the big increase in unnamed or new buyers appearing in registries. The vessels are generally 12-15 years old and would be expected to be scrapped in the next few years, said Anoop Singh, head of tanker research at Braemar. “These are buyers that we, as longstanding brokers, are not familiar with,” Singh said. “We are confident that the majority of these vessels are destined for Russia.”
Wait! But is Germany not buying Russian gas? Is Germany not supporting the Russian economy by trading with them?
It's... It's different.
The amazing thing is Germany is buying LNG gas via ships from Russia , earlier they had their own pipelines!! obviously LNG is very expensive compared to Pipelines…..Some very brilliant economists sitting in the German Govt!!
lmao you wanna know who control those ships? its the same shipping companies who needs to transit goods to make money and meets ends need. so basically everyone.
Do something about it and stop from talking about it
if they can stop those ships without causing a major escalation, they would have done it a long time ago
@@ibrahimtouman2279 They aren't worried about escalation, they just want the prestige of having sanctions while not actually having to enforce them.
They're EU sanctions, so while Denmark should enforce them, they shouldn't be expected to do so alone, which is why the EU needs a defence force.
@@GonzoTehGreat physical blockade of commercial ships belonging to any country in international waters is a "casus belli".. many wars were triggered throughout history for this particular reason!!
@@ibrahimtouman2279 I don't see what your reply has to do with my comment, as I didn't suggest blockading these ships to enforce sanctions...
Talking about environmental hazard when USA literally committed the worst by destroying the nord stream is wild
Exactly. The hypocrisy is unparalleled
The sanction are illegal. So nobody care your concern.
What a waste of brain in trying to put others backwards.
You sound like an expert at wasting brain
Ohh so suddenly international Waters should come under scrutiny when used by Russia to export oil but not when america and NATO sends warships into them... Well done 😂😂😂
I remind you. The West calls everyone who did not want to pay them for insurance a "shadow fleet".
“shadow fleet”, “shadow economy”, “shadow financial system”. As I understand it, now everything over which control was foolishly lost will be called shadow...
Very funny
bro why keep complaining haha ! just stop buying get it else where for triple the price
Lol the EU Community is a big joke. Absolute Muppets
There is a difference between sanctions and boycott. Europe boycotted, and China and India consumed more oil per day than Europe per month.
No, they didn't. And the EU organized these sanctions to do exactly this. They wanted to make Russia to make no money off of selling the oil, while keeping global supply stable. If Russia were to be cut off from the global market completely, it would just make oil prices explode, making it profitable for Russian shadow fleets. Like this Russia makes no money, India gets discounts that strengthen their economy and sell the refined products to the EU at the same market prices as before. The only loser is Russia, who's refinery industry loses out the most.
@@serebii666 The fact is that Indian refineries working with Russian oil are partially owned by Russians.
For example, the second largest refinery in India belongs to Nayara Energy Corporation. And 49% of Nayara Energy shares belong to.... Rosneft😂😂😂
There is no point in discussing the pressure on Denis government when you say that ships are on international waters stopping them or confiscating while it's carrying third party supplies unilateral sanction don't work there.
Looking for trouble but trying to convince the rest of the world they're the victim 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yani wazungu kwakweli mmekuwa kama watoto yani akili zenu zimekuwa fupi sana hivi sijui ni nani aliewadanganya kwamba ulaya na marekani mkiwekea nchi fulani vikwazo kwamba dunia nzima itakubaliana na nyie na kwa nini mnakuwa na akili fupi,yani hiyo plan yenu imebuma tafuteni njia nyingine ya kufanya na mnakalia upumbavu nchi nyingi zitawapita kimaendeleo,mfano nchi nyingine za Asia zinakuja kasi sana kiuchumi ila nyie mnajidanganya mnazani watu wataendelea kusikiliza ujinga wenu kama hui hadi lini.mjifunze sana kiufupi mmeshindwa na msipoangalia mtakuja kuwa wakimbizi Russia mda si mwingi.
Ban these ships from EU waters if they don't have the correct paperwork and insurance
But EU countries are the ones that are buying the oil carried by these ships
Solution is simple - just require all vessels that wants to enter the Baltic Sea to submit insurance and classification papers before entering to show they are probably insured and in seaworthy condition.
All countries bordering the Baltic will jointly enforce the control and rejection of vessels not up to scratch, I.e. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Russia if they chose to want to protect the ecosystems of the Baltic Sea
Russia will do the same in the Red Sea and the Strait of Gibraltar by leveraging its allies. The problem with international laws is that if you start to apply them only when they suit your needs, they lose their strength. If we foolishly follow your idea, international shipping will become, at last, the subject of maritime piracy. Every country will have to escort its vessels, and that is a no-profit scenario.
THANKS FOR VIDEO
EU imports much of its oil from India, a top oil producing country, just behind Russia.
All countries should just say no to the US sanctions.
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BRICS will have their own Financial Mechanism to bypass the dollar very soon. Bye sanctions, bye 1000 bases around the world.
Why would they do that? The US economy is 20 times bigger than Russia's.
@@MrJonezy541 are you Jonzen? I didnt say side with Russia, I am saying countries of the world should not let the US dictate what they will do with sanctions.
Italy is shipping vast quantities of russian oil via Sicily.
Last year, the EU approved 12 sanction packages against Russia and the Russian economy grew 3%. Meanwhile, the German economy is in "tatters". The EU sanctioned itself.
the Russian economy is falling apart.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Putin privately reports you about the state of economy in Russia? What else did he say?
Impound the ships and the cargo if it is not insured. Potential proceeds should go to fund Ukraine’s defense efforts.
Russia will do the same in the Red Sea and the Strait of Gibraltar by leveraging its allies. The problem with international laws is that if you start to apply them only when they suit your needs, they lose their strength. If we foolishly follow your idea, international shipping will become, at last, the subject of maritime piracy. Every country will have to escort its vessels, and that is a no-profit scenario.
Excellent reporting!!
He is right, if accident happens that is catastrophic for the environment.
Nord stream was blown up in Danish waters. biggest release of methane in history, biggest environmental disaster in history. Didn't hear a thing from Danes then.
The Nordstream 2 pipeline wasn't blown up, only damaged. 🙄
Also, it was never turned on.
Except it's no accident...
The current Russian regime is catastrophic for the entire planet.
@@GonzoTehGreat On 26 September at 02:03 local time (CEST), an explosion was detected originating from Nord Stream 2; a pressure drop in one of its pipes was reported and natural gas began escaping to the surface southeast of the Danish island of Bornholm. Seventeen hours later, the same occurred to both pipes of Nord Stream 1, resulting in three separate leaks northeast of Bornholm.
US sanction policies have always been childish, I'm taking my ball and going home, so there.
Again Intercepting these ships will affect EU also this is a 2 way street.
The Ukraine should stop the oil shipments using drones.
Can’t they turn back any ship without proper insurance? When I drive my car and get stopped, my car is impounded unless I can prove that I have insurance. Can’t they impound these ships?
Imagine trying to stop China, Russia and India from Trading in oil. 3 of the largest navel power in the world😅😢
Who gave right to the west to decide whom Russia can sell or buy anything around the world.
Wow.... The CIA mossad opening new playbooks 😂😂
Russia works with Israel quite often. But you ignore this
😂😂this jokes are still talking about sanctions
No you cannot stop them as you do not own the world.
Freedom of navigation.
That's what average European thinks they will stop the world lol
Interesting environmental impact
Total embargo, anything less is just window dressing.
I'd like to see them stop oil trading between China, Russia and India. 3 of the largest naval power in the world.
I say if russia spill ls oil anywhere … we can spill oil in at Petersburg Russia too
no point in sactions if the country is part of BRICKS+, there is a reason why more countries wanting to join in it too.
Easy fix...
Secondary sanctions for anyone doing business with the shadow fleet.
😂
@@nyarkofelix7922 dude is a clown 🤣
Sanctions entire world then . Days of imperialism is over . No one would follow western imperialist orders
Well if they are ghost ships … just aboard them in middle of oceans take prisoners and and make a real ghost ship lol
Delusions are literally flying 😂😂
No !💦 Oil will flow like Water !💦
Tell me you're about to blow up Russian ships carrying oil without telling me you're about to blow up Russian ships carrying oil 🙄
Right. And then they'll point their fingers and say "Russian ships are dangerous to our environment and must be stopped immediately"
here's a thought!!! get the law going to outlaw un/under insurance, then move to confiscate the empty vessels in breach. That took me 5 seconds to work out!!!
confiscate ship will cause you more problem.....your 5sec dont account for that
Russia will do the same in the Red Sea and the Strait of Gibraltar by leveraging its allies. The problem with international laws is that if you start to apply them only when they suit your needs, they lose their strength. If we foolishly follow your idea, international shipping will become, at last, the subject of maritime piracy. Every country will have to escort its vessels, and that is a no-profit scenario.
Is sanctions expert even a thing or a profession ?
Why dont you says WE are loosing Danish insurance company with our sanctions , Risking new player in the field
If that water is private?ok nobody allow to pass but its not yours?is not your concern
Wait until the ship has unloaded its cargo.
lets see what happens when denmark tries to stop the ships physically .how will russia react ? just like how iran did they'll stop danish ships then
Cry more
"there aren't many buyers these days... largely India, China, Turkey and couple of other places...."
well it ain't "aren't many" is it, they all seems pretty big buyers to me
Like the heat seeking missiles is it possible to develop an image seeking missiles to destroy an enemy aircraft by feeding the images of enemy aircraft in the missile??
What if Russia begins naval escort of its oil export trade?
Then everyone laughs at Russia's rustbuckets and they either turn around or join the Moskva.
Russia doesn't have enough naval assets to do this. The cost of accompanying these relatively small size vessels with military escort would wipe out the profit from exports from that ship.
Better question. What if the US NAVY does instead?
They can't as they don't have enough ships.
The Danish straits are so narrow that even cannons from the 1700s could fire on passing ships from the shore.
Conundrum. Unfortunately the world needs Russia's oil. It's sold at low rates, hopefully not contributing much to Kremlin coffers, while use of other suppliers are bound to increase international prices.
Russian oil is sold at near market prices, rest assured about that
Just buy Alberta oil instead.
@@ibrahimtouman2279 That "near" is doing quite a lot of lifting there ;p.
@@jpl9148 maybe you should try yourself to convince the Indians to pay a premium for their oil purchase from Alberta, I wish you all the luck with that task
When Europe is looking for war " they look for it with all they got" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What can we expect from a breakdown of friendly relationships between Russia and "the West".
It's rare that a video gets people so pissy in the comments, lol. Usually it's weird astroturfing, writing completely insane and unhinged stuff. But this one really got the Putinistas all pissy, lol.
Well, denying someone the right to sail through international waters or forcing someone to take "western insurance" tends to make people "pissy"
Pirate Scolz 👀🥺🤔😁😁😁💀
Says nafo bot
You all talking out of your @$$
Can Ukraine issue letter of Marques?
It’s showing how other country gets jealous when Russia sale something
They do exist in Russia.
You stop the ships that's a provocation.
Shadow fleet delivers lifeline to EU and that’s the reality
These countries involved in this shadowy trade should be sanctioned.
Sell the OIL below market price.
It will already be sold in this Global economy.
China, India, South America or Africa
Who wouldn't buy oil below market price?
EU can never do without Russian oil, either you buy it from India or somewhere else
International law and rule based order suddenly in wind.
Can EU survive another price hike?.
if there is an envirnomental disaster europes own sanctions would have backfired
I thought Russia is broke and their economy is in trouble after the ban on dollar trading. Why are you guys overreacting? 😂
Are they overreacting? This may be funding a war. Is that overreacting?
@@nigelgarrett7970 US congress passing the 61B$ bill is not funding the war?!!!
@@nigelgarrett7970yes it's overreacting. Your sanctions are not working but you're too bone headed to backtrack, sinking your other preferred war financiers EU and US in a recession. At least Russia is not begging anyone for money.
@@wolfswinkel8906 So if sanctions are not working then I suppose it is normal today to have 8% inflation and 16% interest rates, lots of other countries have that. As for begging, Putin has been begging from North Korea, China and Vietnam. Fortunately the last two turned him down.
As for the US in recession, just ROTFLMAO!
@@wolfswinkel8906 The sanctions are working well enough. Russia keeps selling oil keeping price low enough on the international market, while making way less money from it all. Win-win for the western powers (and the rest of the world).
"At least Russia is not begging anyone for money."
Russia is bleeding money all over. The russian state is in deficit despite new hikes in taxes, coming after other hikes in taxes, all on top of high inflation. Their war coffins are emptying, the russian civilian economy is suffering and they haven't yet ran out of the soviet legacy stocks of weapons, an event that will make the cost of the war explode way beyond what it currently is. 10% of the enitre russian economy (allegedly, probably more) and growing fast, not counting the costs in blood.
Sabaka is barking, the cow is coming!
the bot farm seems to get another payment.
No it wont
If you use fossil fuel in europe, just know this that it is Russian Fossil Fuel.
This year Russia's GDP growth rate exceeded that of Germany and the United States.😢
I guess EU leaders pissed because world bank said Russian economy is healthy and growing despite the 16000 sanctions and their countries economy going downhill 🤣🤣
Yeah, that is based on GDP calculations which give equal credit to production of weapons and production of apartments. Also, it doesn't discount for deaths of soldiers, despite even middle level countries placing the value of a human life at a million dollars. Even with other countries economy going downhill, the quality of life is still better than in Russia. What can I say, both Europe and Russia are sick, and going to go sicker. But the "healthy" Russian economy has citizens that are about as well off as the poorest members of the EU. That said, Russia has 6,000 nukes at least, which counts for something.
😂😂😂 Sure.
World Bank just said Russia is Number 1 economy in Europe and 4th in the world. Beating both Germany and Japan. So much for sanctions.😂😂😂
@@jimmytimmy3680 See my other comment.
@@richdobbs6595 🤣🤡
Denmark can just swallow and enjoy
Fear mongering
Ask's kyiv school of economics. This guy look sus and overqualified did he also suggested about the alleged illegal pipe earlier ?