A subject I would like to see in a future episode. Color combinations. What color combos are strong and/or popular? Which ones tend to be weaker and/or less popular? Is the answer different in highlander than in other formats? Has there been a lot of change in the meta in regards to color combos? Some example questions: Is the best combination something along the lines of Ux or Uxx or do other colors get to shine? Why do Bant and Abzan decks seem to be more popular than just straight up Selesnya?
Doomsday Turn One Kill (Spoilers): Play land-->Play Lotus Petal-->Crack petal and tap land-->Cast Cabal Ritual-->Cast Doomsday-->Doomsday Stack (top to bottom)=Black Lotus, Lion's Eye Diamond, Call to the Netherworld, Street Wraith, Laboratory Maniac-->Cycle Edge of Autumn-->Cast black lotus and crack for UUU-->Cast Ideas Unbound-->Cast LED-->Cycle Street Wraith and hold priority-->Crack LED in Response-->Madness Call to the Netherworld to get back Street Wraith-->Cast Lab Maniac with floating mana-->Cycle Street Wraith with an empty library and win!
Looking through that Dragonstorm list, I'm digging that you're playing Madcap Experiment, and am genuinely shocked you resisted telling Serge about this to see the reaction.
Land, Petal, Ritual, doomsday, cycle edge, draw lotus, cast lotus, sac for blue, ideas unbound, draw LED, probe, and either tendrils or maniac, play LED, play probe and crack LED in response, draw yawgmoth's will, win game.
Just as Serge is starting to say "people are going to want this list", I'm thinking to myself how much I want this (Dragonstorm) list. I already love stuff like that and it sounds great. May even see how well something like that works in EDH with Ramos, Dragon Engine to help get the mana to hardcast stuff.
Pile is Lotus, LED, Top, Probe, Lab Man. Cycle into lotus, lotus out Ideas Unbound, draw LED, Top, Probe. Cast LED and top, cast probe, crack LED for U in response, draw lab man, cast it, activate top to draw.
Okay, so a line I think works for Doomsday (although I don't know your list, so maybe it doesn't work there): . . . . . Cycle Edge of Autumn to draw Black Lotus (1), crack Lotus for blue, cast Ideas Unbound to draw Gitaxian Probe, Lion's Eye Diamond, and Mishra's Bauble (234). Cast LED and Bauble, then cast Probe and crack LED in response for blue, Probe resolves drawing Laboratory Maniac (5), cast LabMan off of floating mana and crack Bauble to win on your opponent's upkeep (looking at the top of your empty library to send a message). EDIT: It also occurs to me that you could spend the extra mana from Lotus on a Hapless Researcher or something instead of Bauble for the true turn-one kill.
Land/Petal (1)/Ritual (2)/DD (3), pile is Lotus/Probe/LED/Tendrils/YawgWill. Cycle into Lotus (4), crack for UUU. Ideas Unbound (5), LED (6), Probe (7) and crack LED for BBB in response, discarding Tendrils and drawing Yawgmoths Will. Will (8), replay Lotus (9) and LED (10) crack for black mana and cast Tendrils (11) for 22 damage.
question for the panel: are low-budget/no points/low-points straight-up "fair" decks (100-card good, not great, stuff) decks viable & competitive? (aside from goblins and whatnot).
itsaflyboything you’re kinda gonna need to be playing aggro. Otherwise... you are simply missing out on powerful cards by not playing points thus your deck will be worse
I'm not against pointed cards (except spending a year or more's salary on power nine for instance). for example, is a big butt ramp deck viable? or token generator, etc etc. using a game mechanic/engine as intended, instead of combo/otk/overtly "unfair" things that...well...win. it's kind of a bad question outside of aggro I know, but part of me wants to build a hard durdle deck and go 0-4 for the laughs. (given that there isn't a highlander community in my town, that would be impressive)
Hey. It might take a while before ill get into the format, but after watching a replay of the recent mini tournament, Id like to have a deck teck on ramp (specificaly R/G), I did not know the deck exist and id like to see what cards does it run
Doomsday Kill: Cycle Edge of Autum draw lotus crack for uuu cast Ideas to draw 3: LED ponder or some cantrip for u lab maniac u floading, 1 card in your deck cast LED Cast ponder Crack LED for bbb with ponder on the stack draw yog will cast it cast Lotus,LED out of your yard crack for uuuuuu --> cast lab maniac out of your yard cast ponder and win :) took me about 3 min but no internet involved :D
Nice! I think I found another way to win turn 1. Stack like this: Black Lotus, Street Wraith, Call to the Netherworld, LED, Labratory Maniac. Cycle edge of autumn, draw lotus Crack for UUU, play Ideas Unbound Play LED, cycle street wraith. Response to draw trigger, crack LED, cast Call on Street Wraith, add UUU (Color here doesn’t really matter). Draw lab maniac, play for UUU, cycle Street wraith. gg.
Is the only reason that Worldly Tutor is pointed because it is instant speed? cause then wouldn't Sylvan Tutor be pointed being a sorcery speed Worldly Tutor?
Pretty sure you can win with both Tendrils or Lab Maniac. The Doomsday stack would be Lotus > LED > Probe > Lab Man / Tendrils > Yawg Will. I like the Lab Man kill, saves you having to count to 10 :P
A friend of mine and I has started playing alittle Canadian against each other, and now i have a question. I want to build a Red/White/Blue Burn Deck. Sounds wierd yea, but i wonder if there is a place on the internet where i can find Decklists for Canadian? Sort of Like EDHRec (now i know Canadian is less played than EDH, so mabye not)
Likely simplicity. It's a lot easier and more grokkable to get into, and while a 100 point system could be more accurate for tuning purposes, it requires a lot more mental math as well as it being harder to remember from the people actually using the cards.
because for a 100 points to be relevant you need all the points to add up to 100 in the final deck list. the same way that half a point only matters if you are playing 2 half or not playing the full ten. also the format is tiny in compassion to the card poll so it is pointed not based on reality but on democracy and democracy sucks at getting the best result.
because for a 100 points to be relevant you need all the points to add up to 100 in the final deck list. the same way that half a point only matters if you are playing 2 half or not playing the full ten. also the format is tiny in compassion to the card poll so it is pointed not based on reality but on democracy and democracy sucks at getting the best result.
It's wierd- not all decks seem to really want points. My brew uses zero. (Edit: Now uses one for Fastbond. Serge, you sold me.) I hear you want us to send you our lists? Sure! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-woods-4/
Admittedly in that list, I'd probably have spent three on a Mox Emerald. Seems like turn one acceleration > Fastbond in this list since you're not really combo killing with Hoof or Cradle. That said Emerald is also stupid expensive, so I guess it's a "smoke 'em if you got 'em" kinda thing.
Because mono-red decks or Rx decks play a good number of non-basic lands that they're fine being turned into mountains because they can still use them for mana, and if they don't draw Blood Moon (or BtB) they can still use their non-basics for powerful effects. Those decks can't really run BtB without it hurting them a good deal as well making it so that the decks that would want to run BtB are decks that almost only run basic lands (fair decks). BtB also allows your opponent to play their non-basics and leave them untapped until they need the mana, and it also doesn't turn off their fetchlands which they can immediately crack for basic lands. Super greedy 3-5 color decks can easily just lose when BM hits the field whereas BtB only just slows them down. TLDR; BM is just generally a better card than BtB. If BM isn't pointed, then why point a worse card?
jasd hugo A tutor is a spell that lets you search your library for a card and put it into your hand or on top of your library, like Diabolic Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Eladamri's Call, etc..
There are no banned cards in CanLander, that's kind of the point of playing it. As for pointing them, they're really not even that broken. They just don't enter play tapped and let you generate two colors of mana. There's also a very high likelyhood of said cards being rare enough in the community that if they're not played, they just kinda disappear.
A subject I would like to see in a future episode. Color combinations. What color combos are strong and/or popular? Which ones tend to be weaker and/or less popular? Is the answer different in highlander than in other formats? Has there been a lot of change in the meta in regards to color combos?
Some example questions:
Is the best combination something along the lines of Ux or Uxx or do other colors get to shine?
Why do Bant and Abzan decks seem to be more popular than just straight up Selesnya?
Doomsday Turn One Kill (Spoilers):
Play land-->Play Lotus Petal-->Crack petal and tap land-->Cast Cabal Ritual-->Cast Doomsday-->Doomsday Stack (top to bottom)=Black Lotus, Lion's Eye Diamond, Call to the Netherworld, Street Wraith, Laboratory Maniac-->Cycle Edge of Autumn-->Cast black lotus and crack for UUU-->Cast Ideas Unbound-->Cast LED-->Cycle Street Wraith and hold priority-->Crack LED in Response-->Madness Call to the Netherworld to get back Street Wraith-->Cast Lab Maniac with floating mana-->Cycle Street Wraith with an empty library and win!
Looking through that Dragonstorm list, I'm digging that you're playing Madcap Experiment, and am genuinely shocked you resisted telling Serge about this to see the reaction.
3:13 That sync though, "little column A, a little column B".
"You ponder target player" might be my fave shorthand for a card
Land, Petal, Ritual, doomsday, cycle edge, draw lotus, cast lotus, sac for blue, ideas unbound, draw LED, probe, and either tendrils or maniac, play LED, play probe and crack LED in response, draw yawgmoth's will, win game.
Just as Serge is starting to say "people are going to want this list", I'm thinking to myself how much I want this (Dragonstorm) list. I already love stuff like that and it sounds great. May even see how well something like that works in EDH with Ramos, Dragon Engine to help get the mana to hardcast stuff.
Ayy I'm pretty sure I figured it out
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Pile is Lotus, LED, Top, Probe, Lab Man.
Cycle into lotus, lotus out Ideas Unbound, draw LED, Top, Probe. Cast LED and top, cast probe, crack LED for U in response, draw lab man, cast it, activate top to draw.
Okay, so a line I think works for Doomsday (although I don't know your list, so maybe it doesn't work there):
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Cycle Edge of Autumn to draw Black Lotus (1), crack Lotus for blue, cast Ideas Unbound to draw Gitaxian Probe, Lion's Eye Diamond, and Mishra's Bauble (234). Cast LED and Bauble, then cast Probe and crack LED in response for blue, Probe resolves drawing Laboratory Maniac (5), cast LabMan off of floating mana and crack Bauble to win on your opponent's upkeep (looking at the top of your empty library to send a message).
EDIT: It also occurs to me that you could spend the extra mana from Lotus on a Hapless Researcher or something instead of Bauble for the true turn-one kill.
This totally works, but his decklist is in the description and it doesn't have bauble or researcher, but top works and he does play that :P
Ah, didn't see the list there. Still surprised I missed Top while trying to think of a 0-1 mana permanent that has a card-drawing ability. :P
Land/Petal (1)/Ritual (2)/DD (3), pile is Lotus/Probe/LED/Tendrils/YawgWill. Cycle into Lotus (4), crack for UUU. Ideas Unbound (5), LED (6), Probe (7) and crack LED for BBB in response, discarding Tendrils and drawing Yawgmoths Will. Will (8), replay Lotus (9) and LED (10) crack for black mana and cast Tendrils (11) for 22 damage.
Love me some dragons.
Jer’s little “heh heh heh” at the beginning was perfect.
Atarka, World Render and Xenagos, God of Revels was a combo kill deck in Theros - Khans of Tarkir standard for a while. It was great.
Interesting to watch this 5 years later
Stack:
1. Gitaxian probe (cast)
2. Lotus (cast) uuu ideas unbound
3. Lab man, mana crypt, street wraith. Cast lab man, cycle street wraith.
The cards in hand were:
A land that fetches for Underground Sea,
Edge of Autumn,
Doomsday,
Ideas Unbound,
Lotus Petal,
Cabal Ritual, and
Another Land.
question for the panel:
are low-budget/no points/low-points straight-up "fair" decks (100-card good, not great, stuff) decks viable & competitive? (aside from goblins and whatnot).
itsaflyboything you’re kinda gonna need to be playing aggro. Otherwise... you are simply missing out on powerful cards by not playing points thus your deck will be worse
I'm not against pointed cards (except spending a year or more's salary on power nine for instance). for example, is a big butt ramp deck viable? or token generator, etc etc. using a game mechanic/engine as intended, instead of combo/otk/overtly "unfair" things that...well...win. it's kind of a bad question outside of aggro I know, but part of me wants to build a hard durdle deck and go 0-4 for the laughs. (given that there isn't a highlander community in my town, that would be impressive)
The dragonstorm deck plays epic experiment! I love that card, im so in
Hey. It might take a while before ill get into the format, but after watching a replay of the recent mini tournament, Id like to have a deck teck on ramp (specificaly R/G), I did not know the deck exist and id like to see what cards does it run
Doomsday Kill:
Cycle Edge of Autum
draw lotus
crack for uuu cast Ideas to draw 3:
LED
ponder or some cantrip for u
lab maniac
u floading, 1 card in your deck
cast LED
Cast ponder
Crack LED for bbb with ponder on the stack
draw yog will
cast it
cast Lotus,LED out of your yard
crack for uuuuuu
--> cast lab maniac out of your yard
cast ponder and win :)
took me about 3 min but no internet involved :D
Nice! I think I found another way to win turn 1.
Stack like this: Black Lotus, Street Wraith, Call to the Netherworld, LED, Labratory Maniac.
Cycle edge of autumn, draw lotus
Crack for UUU, play Ideas Unbound
Play LED, cycle street wraith. Response to draw trigger, crack LED, cast Call on Street Wraith, add UUU (Color here doesn’t really matter). Draw lab maniac, play for UUU, cycle Street wraith. gg.
i was very close to your stack but didn't know that you can respond to cycle trigger by sacing LED xD
In the 90s I really liked the hermit Druid, recurring nightmare living dead deck.
Nice show GG 😎👍
why did this show stop?
It didn't. It got moved to our Magic channel: ruclips.net/user/lrrmtg
From my understanding every 100 cards in your deck you get 10 points so would 1,000 card 5c all the points be viable, scratch that possible?
Is the only reason that Worldly Tutor is pointed because it is instant speed? cause then wouldn't Sylvan Tutor be pointed being a sorcery speed Worldly Tutor?
it is the same difference as the black tutors. the instant speed one is much better as you can do so much more with it.
New storm hate card spoiled today from Dominaria.
Pretty sure you can win with both Tendrils or Lab Maniac. The Doomsday stack would be Lotus > LED > Probe > Lab Man / Tendrils > Yawg Will. I like the Lab Man kill, saves you having to count to 10 :P
swap out probe with darkwater egg for the lab combo, let's you kill your opponent with a literal egg.
It is late 2021. Blood Moon is not pointed, thank goodness
First. Also, dragonstorm.
A friend of mine and I has started playing alittle Canadian against each other, and now i have a question. I want to build a Red/White/Blue Burn Deck. Sounds wierd yea, but i wonder if there is a place on the internet where i can find Decklists for Canadian? Sort of Like EDHRec (now i know Canadian is less played than EDH, so mabye not)
There are a ton of Canadian Highlander decklists on the Canadian Highlander account on Tapped Out
I don't like how that Gaea's Cradle isn't a full cycle, like there isn't a black one or a red one
CÓLaocha
There is but they do VERY different things.
Phyrexian tower and Shivan Gorge.
What's there a reason that you use a 10 points system, rather than a more broad and tune-able 100 points?
Likely simplicity. It's a lot easier and more grokkable to get into, and while a 100 point system could be more accurate for tuning purposes, it requires a lot more mental math as well as it being harder to remember from the people actually using the cards.
because for a 100 points to be relevant you need all the points to add up to 100 in the final deck list. the same way that half a point only matters if you are playing 2 half or not playing the full ten. also the format is tiny in compassion to the card poll so it is pointed not based on reality but on democracy and democracy sucks at getting the best result.
because for a 100 points to be relevant you need all the points to add up to 100 in the final deck list. the same way that half a point only matters if you are playing 2 half or not playing the full ten. also the format is tiny in compassion to the card poll so it is pointed not based on reality but on democracy and democracy sucks at getting the best result.
It's wierd- not all decks seem to really want points. My brew uses zero. (Edit: Now uses one for Fastbond. Serge, you sold me.)
I hear you want us to send you our lists? Sure! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-woods-4/
Admittedly in that list, I'd probably have spent three on a Mox Emerald. Seems like turn one acceleration > Fastbond in this list since you're not really combo killing with Hoof or Cradle. That said Emerald is also stupid expensive, so I guess it's a "smoke 'em if you got 'em" kinda thing.
Yeah, I don't have mox in because of price. If I had one, it would be super in there.
Why would you not point BtB over Blood moon? Blood moon allows you still to tap your lands for nana and BtB is in a better colour.
Because mono-red decks or Rx decks play a good number of non-basic lands that they're fine being turned into mountains because they can still use them for mana, and if they don't draw Blood Moon (or BtB) they can still use their non-basics for powerful effects. Those decks can't really run BtB without it hurting them a good deal as well making it so that the decks that would want to run BtB are decks that almost only run basic lands (fair decks). BtB also allows your opponent to play their non-basics and leave them untapped until they need the mana, and it also doesn't turn off their fetchlands which they can immediately crack for basic lands. Super greedy 3-5 color decks can easily just lose when BM hits the field whereas BtB only just slows them down.
TLDR; BM is just generally a better card than BtB. If BM isn't pointed, then why point a worse card?
It's a shame Alex died in that self-inflicted superfire.
Serge sempai pls notice me
tell me whats a tooter?
jasd hugo A tutor is a spell that lets you search your library for a card and put it into your hand or on top of your library, like Diabolic Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Eladamri's Call, etc..
i know, but he pronounced it like toooter. as in someone who farts
As opposed to what? There isn't really any difference in pronunciation.
docbp87 its a joke. sry i forgot to write /s
I have prepared myself for a 1 hour discussion on why fastbond can't go to 0. #fastbondto0
Original dual lands should be either banned or pointed
There are no banned cards in CanLander, that's kind of the point of playing it. As for pointing them, they're really not even that broken. They just don't enter play tapped and let you generate two colors of mana. There's also a very high likelyhood of said cards being rare enough in the community that if they're not played, they just kinda disappear.
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