Shop owner can't remove Confederate flag
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2017
- An ice cream shop owner in Orangeburg, South Carolina, a majority black town, is unable to remove a Confederate flag that flies over his business, but is located on land he doesn't own. CNN's Victor Blackwell reports.
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put a gay pride and blm flag on each side of the confederate flag and they'll take it down real quick
Lmao that's amazing. Another thing they should do is put a plat where people could read that tells the true story of what the flag and what it represents and how they were the bad guys in history and how the north/union kicked their sorry asses! Lol.
@@Grizz270
1. Semi-correct. The Civil War started with the objective of preserving the Union as the rebelling (Confederate) states seceded before Lincoln's inauguration because they were afraid of slavery being abolished. The war started because they wanted to bring the southerners/Confederate states back into the Union. Lincoln needed enough of a victory to issue the Emancipation Proclamation (all slaves in/from rebelling states are free) which happened to be the Battle of Antietam. As a result, this changed the Northerners' objective of the war - to free the 'freed' slaves.
2. Lincoln only freed the slaves within rebelling (Confederate) states to keep the border states at his side. Note that the border states had slaves. Yes, you could say it's war tactic. The Northerners did need better morale or idea to fight for. Yes, he technically did not have the power over Confederate states, but he had a problem: runaway slaves fled to the Union from the Confederates. By issuing the Proclamation, this made runaway slaves from the south in the Union FREE, allowing them to participate in the army. Again, he needed to keep the border states at his side so he only freed slaves from the Confederate states. For clarification (thanks to brett knoss), Lincoln did NOT free slaves within the Union during this time, the 13th Amendment did.
@@Grizz270 that's incorrect the last northern state to abolish slavery was new jersey in 1804 60 years earlier
That really is a great idea. I love how you think outside the box.
YES!!!
White woman: "It's not botherin' anybody, it's not hurtin' anybody."
Black people: "It's bothering us and hurting us."
I hate the first step black people take is asking white people to believe them. So tragic.
@@GrugTheJust I hate the first step white racists take is asking black people to believe them. So tragic.
Hate it when people try to erase history
@@choose2cruise146 hate it when people are stuck in the past
@@frostedbuds The past serves as a reminder to us all. A reminder of our past mistakes, so that in the future, we do not make the same mistakes. It's not being "stuck in the past." This is why we teach history. We can't just erase the history we don't like, else we are doomed to repeat it.
Wow so some of those people KNEW it wasn't his flag, and they KNEW he couldn't move it. And yet they still boycott him? Brainless.
"it's not bothering anybody"
Love that this is sandwiched between clips of people explaining that it's bothering them
Slavery is socialism. The word "socialism" was just called "slavery" back then.
@@shouygui4955 you're wrong
@@shouygui4955 found the guy who's never read a single word of socialist theory
You don't have a right in this country not to be bothered. It is a free speech issue. The owners of the flag have every right to fly that flag. Doesn't matter. Just ask the Jewish survivors of the Nazi camps that lived in Skokie, IL . The ACLU went to court and represented the Nazis and won them the right to march through Skokie. It was their free speech rights. People need to suck it up and get on with their lives.
@@warrenash5370 "people aren't allowed to show distaste for hate symbols because there's no law saying they need to take it down"
Free speech =/= freedom of consequences. You wanna fly a flag that says you're chill with slavery? Other people are going to use their free speech to tell you to fuck off.
I love how the only person who wasn't against the flag was the white woman lol
Spot the white supremacist supporter!!!
Put up 2 more..
@Evan Vanmol go to hell white supremacist
@Evan Vanmol the south loved segregation. That's all that needs to be said. I see too many white kids that love their "Confederate culture" but don't understand it fully. Your ancestors HATED blacks and non whites. They HATED Jews. Wtf is wrong with yall, how can you support that?
That was intentional and o spark a emotional response
You can't both be a patriot and glorify the Confederacy.
Unfortunately lots of 'true patriots' proudly fly the flag that split America in two.
@@sd-fz3wn the maga flag or the BLM flag?
Uhhh...Confederates WERE The PATRIOTS. It was the Yankees that were Shitting on the Constitution NOT the South.
@@cliffordpearsonjr.9748 I heard Lincoln was racist and freed the slaves to open the market to get more jobs for whites since nobody was allowed to use free slave labor
@@cliffordpearsonjr.9748 Guess the 1st amendment didn't matter then, since, you know, freedom isn't for everyone.
Update to the story: the guy ended up selling the restaurant in 2019. Didn’t win the legal battle.
Imagine that!
Opinions, Facts And Logic Well, he didn’t own the flagpole and probably didn’t read the fine print in the deed.
F
@Opinions, Facts And Logic Just move dude. JUST MOVE. Lol. Spoken like a true 15 year old who's never owned land or a business or lived in the real world. JUST MOVE DUDE, IT'S EASY!
@Opinions, Facts And Logic No, I based my opinion on a fact. The fact that a grown ass man nonchalantly suggested "Just take the L and move" as a serious option.
Really? I'm sure moving never occurred to him because he has 60 IQ. I'm sure his lawyer didn't advise him it would be very difficult to win since that flag is legally in someone else's private property, right?. And I'm sure he didn't move just because he's stupid, not because he has another reason, right?
It's funny, you talk about me basing opinions on ignorance, yet you don't know jack about this guy and talk about what he should have done and what's common sense. How ironic.
Maybe there is no good place to buy in his small town of 13000 people. Or maybe nobody would want to buy that place at any reasonable price in a small town of 13000 AND a confederate flag in front of it on top of that. Or maybe there's a million different reasons.
But yeah, "Just take the L" and move dude. LOL. What a stupid comment to make.
Also, I'd be a "chump" if I believed a random dude on the internet. For all I know, you could be a 12 year old keyboard warrior. Or maybe you are a grown ass man with a business, but you sure as hell don't act or sound like one.
Shopowner could fly an all black flag on his own property to show solidarity
That won't "hurt nobody"
But All Black flags are Anti Color because there's no color!
The Noobs Dudes :D no your just anti-black you might not know it but that’s what you are
@@death_wolvez5126 I'm not Anti-Black LMAO
@Toland Belmar yeah but i dont support the organization as i see them as marxist terrorists but the words are true.
It will affect those who where hurt when blm roit and burn down building
The flag is on private property the shop owner has no rights to it don't you get It?
Alvin Wine these people are idiots wtf they know that the flag isn’t his and they still “ punish” him? Do you get hurt or do you feel pain when you see it? I think the blacks in this clip all act like this old guy wants they stay away from his former store .
That's the left for you
Phil Phil doesn't mean they fly up a Confederate flag doesn't mean they are racist the civil war wasn't just about slaves it was a factor but not the only reason why
The left doesn't use logic
Well actually a federal court can order it removed if he can make a case that it's distrusting his business. And didn't these guys get the memo that the south lost?
"We've been trying ever since to honor the Confederate soldier...so there was nothing sinister."
"The group flew a larger flag after the 2015 church shooting in Charleston."
Uh yeah, it's sinister.
@Bryndon Crowder the only states right your side really wanted was slaveholding...dont pretend it was anything else. Bc, like today, the rich plantation owners pushing the way liked cheap labor and power. They just dont teach that in southern books bc white southern Baptist types cant handle being wrong
@Bryndon Crowder also if it was about southern traditions like charity how is it that you complain about taxes to fund programs to help the less fortunate? Again show awareness not ignorance
@Bryndon Crowder the flag is a symbol of traitors to America. You can compare to the swatica. It needs to go
@Bryndon Crowder you're in thread after thread insisting that the Civil War was about states' rights but I don't think you've ever said what states' rights it was about. The one that comes to mind is a state's right to engage in human trafficking. What's your version?
@Bryndon Crowder Your roots don't belong to a flag that represents a nation that lived for only 4 years. You dont want states rights infringed. The states' rights to do what?
here's my take on it as a black man. in America, we have rights. the flag in this case is someones right for what they believe in, they are expressing their beliefs as i express mine. i am not in agreement with the confederate flag, nor do i have to like it. however, forcing someone to remove a flag is as bad as forcing someone to believe what you want them to believe. this is our freedom in the US, if this freedom were not there, i would still be a slave today. i have the freedom to not have to agree and i can shop wherever else i want. i believe EVERYONE who is an American citizen has this right.
Ur right brother i fly it because i love the south nor am i a racist and i agree they wanna force no they shouldent force its freedom that flag is not slavery now theirs a nazi flag fk that flag and theirz a kkk flag fk that flag not dixie
Well said, and I completely understand why this flag is offensive to alot of people. The "pride" flag offends me, but I can't tell others how to feel.
What is the belief?
@@AnthonyBurroughI don’t care if people fly the pride flag, so long as they afford the same right to others to fly a flag of their choice, like the Confederate flag. Then again, many who fly the pride flag are hypocrites in this sense.
The pride flag should offend you. They are screaming for everyone to accept their perversion and they are teaching kids to be transgender in schools.
I respect that everyone can do as they please but don’t fill children’s heads with that garbage🙂
They put up a bigger flag after a church shooting. Makes me sick.
"Slavery" was the word for "Socialism" during the civil war. Identical ideologies.
@@shouygui4955 nope. incorrect.
@@shouygui4955 incorrect
What
Let's be honest, that original owner is one smart ass man, and due to how he planned it out, nobody can do shit about it.
The CSA lives on
Why doesnt store owner get a nice flashy sign that points to flag (on HIS PROPERTY) Thats Not Our Ice Cream Stores Flag (or something like that) I would!!!
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT YOU SNOWFLAKE ASSHOLE DID YOU BUY THE STORE OR THE LAND , PIECE OF SHIT
Aaron Holy smokes, chill out
KIM JONG BEAN, You Shut the fu#k Up. He can say what ever the hell he want's to say. go ball your eye's out in your safe space, dam freak.
@@HenrysHere 🤡
@@guesswhonot1620 maybe i was having a bad day , just tired of sensitive snowflakes telling us what we can see or hear only if it dosent offend them ,, what dosent offend them morons , there only where they are in history today because of how things came about in the past ,, respect it , learn from it and live for today and try to make it better , cant erase everthing from history and think that will change today ,, people need to grow up
"Not as long as we're alive" - said the Sons of the Lazy Traitor Veterans.
I mean, they did lay out the terms, no?
Now, really: Build a huge wall around that damn flag, inside the shop owner's property. Add a door so it's legal. Problem solved.
That flag represents a mere 4 year period of southern history. Why do people choose to use it to represent their entire heritage?
Do they have a anti American flag I'll buy it
Their choice
@@RobertELee-fj8xq it’s an idiotic one
Because that is when the South came together to defend their land against tyranny
@@durhamviking1809 🏳🏳🏳
He should put up a sign that says I don’t own the confederate flag
@Me Myself and I one guy gives you the entire american demographic. That's a stretch.
@@GrugTheJust hate to say it but thats our culture now. Wrongly accused? You were guilty before the trial (kevin spacey, johnny depp)
Said something bad 10 years ago? FIRED! (James gunn)
Amazon releases "good omens"? Netflix receives the boycott.
It wouldn’t matter … that flag and the original business has a very racist history
The Confederacy was a bunch of Traitors who hate the USA and supported the Satanic institution of Slavery for their God satin.
The confederacy was a satanic cult who betrayed the USA for their evil master. .
I would build a taller pole on the restaurant property and fly the US flag and have the entire building painted with the US flag. It would be cheaper than litigation and shows patriotism at the same time.
I'd fly an African flag under a US flag.
wouldn't work. racists fly the american flag too. you have to pick something with a clear message of antiracism
@@user-mo8br5sc2o maybe have pictures and paintings of the Civil Rights Movement and the way it made everything even.
@@KingBoomBox i was thinking an antifa flag lol that would really piss you off
@Trevor Morgan ok loser
3:13 What kind of an idiot isn't shopping at a store because of a flag owned by someone else?
Probably because it's sickening to them, and they don't want to have to look at it while paying to eat right there. When I was a kid somebody opened a Spaghetti Warehouse within smelling distance of some stinky slaughter processing plant, and it went out of business because people didn't want to smell that while they were eating. It's not too hard to figure out.
What kind of idiot doesn't burn down that flag
@Metsarebuff 22 yeah I'm sure they'll catch you real quick when 3/4 of the town at the least has a motive, no one would report it even if they saw, and even the restaurant owner wants it gone 😅
First Last, Would you eat at a restaurant with a nazi flag next to it?
@@arturom9145 If the scenario here was the exact same, yes. I would feel sorry for the shop owner.
Deo vindice ! Rest in piece Mr Maurice!
Rip bozo, imagine surrendering
"its not botherin anybody its not hurtin anybody"
business owner: "its damaging to my business"
black people: "its bothering and hurting us"
It only bothers people who have made a conscious decision to be bothered by it.
Nobody was bothered by it a few years ago. But this new generation of people are uneducated, have no idea what to he civil war was but they are certain that removing the flag will solve something.
Then they'll call the American flag racist.
Michael Cassady It bothers literally everyone except southern republicans.
Michael Cassady the civil war was about slavery. Plain and simple. The further you look into it the more evidence there is to support that.
@@michaelcassady1289 Uneducated? Like people who didn't read the declerations of secession where the confederate states explicitly said that they were breaking away due to a desire to preserve slavery? Or people who don't realize that the "they were just defending their homeland!!!" argument is bullshit because during Bleeding Kansas people killed each other over the legitimacy of Slavery even though they weren't living in Kansas and just migrating there to fight? Or people who don't realize that most Confederate statues were put up DECADES after the civil war during the peak of the KKK as a method to intimidate Black Americans? Or people who don't realize that although only 30% of white southerners owned slaves at the time, a vast majority of them supported the social hierarchy of having blacks as lesser humans? Or people who don't realize the South was incredibly hypocrital about "muh states rights!!" because the Dred Scott ruling said that slaves were still slaves in free states and therefore the states had no say in freeing Black people, and white southerners rejoiced? Or the fact that the South wanted to annex Cuba to expand their slave empire, not just content with keeping it within the South proper? Or people who choose to glorify the five most brutal, racist, and hypocritical years of an otherwise culturally rich and beautiful region of our great country? Tell me Michael, who here is the uneducated one? I dare you to research these topics thoroughly and get back to me.
@@michaelcassady1289 explain how you make the leap to the American flag being racist. No one has ever made this argument before. Your either gifted with extraordinary foresight or you're making wild assertions.
The Confederates lost the Civil War, so the winner's flag should be flying, not the loser's flag.
RETHITHT!
sexyvita88 Lets see, white people get triggered when black wants them to take down a flag representing slavery? If there's nothing to argue over then why not take it down and make people happier? Why would you want to wave a flag that represent slavery anyways? Unless you're a racist that is.
So you're saying that Mexicans can't fly the Mexican flag because they lost to the U.S. or just any country that lost to the U.S.
Ronin 277 why the fuck would they want to fly a flag that hasnt done shit for them they should be flying the american flag were the ones that give them opportunities not the shit mexican government
I agree but people just do it for heritage, just like the Confederate flag.
Just rent a large uhaul or Penske truck and "accidentally" back over it.
Should those who are hurt by “black flags” and “rainbow pride flags” do the same?
That would be “EQUAL” and a “EQUAL OPPORTUNITY” to all involved. Making it TRULY “EQUAL”.
@@americanpatriot5764 that's like asking if hitting a Child molester is the same as someone with red hair. I dont like the "lets ram the flagpole" idea, but lets call a spade a spade: the confederate flag is the N-word of flags.
@@alexandermarquardt597 I guess the BLM flag is the H word of all flags. If you support BLM, you are just as racist as the KKK.
@@davefetterly3780 nice whataboutism.
Nothing a good angle grinder can't fix.
Yeah, for Besinger's face.
Yep. I'd take it down and deal with the consequences. Let that organization have the burden of trying to find a legal way to put it back up.
Read my mind, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
@@brt5273 "Let that organization have the burden of trying to find a legal way to put it back up."
What burden? They already have that right, it's their land... have you not been watching? There will be a new flag 2 days later and you'll be in court getting sued for the damages having achieved absolutely NOTHING.
Three poles and some curtains. Done.
Curtains that read “SoC can kiss my ass.”
haha what i was thinking. just encircle it with US flags
You'll have to get somebody else to spell it for you dumbass!
@Clifford Pearson jr. - “SoC can kiss my ass.”
I seem to be doing just fine on my own, thanks.
WEll keep your fucking mouth shut then Stupid.
@Clifford Pearson jr. -
Nah, I think I’ll say whatever I feel like saying. Right now, I feel like saying: “SoC can kiss my ass, and so can you.”
"Not long as we alive" don't sound like you've got long to go.
There's hundreds of thousands of young descendants who join the Sons of Confederate Veterans yearly, Trust me it will never stop cause all there kids have shoes to fill as well.
And the next generation? How about the generation after that?
The Souths' president didn't even die but the Norths' president did owch, The south had over 100k less deaths in the Civil war, well dang us huh. Sounds like we lost soo badly that every neighbor I live by all the way to the citys has a rebel flag flown on their porch or hanging up on a wall or shed and even in our citys round South most of them have them aswell, lets say most citys still have Southern roots and are named after Dixie. But naw "it's not like that" 5 hours from the city each way u can go. were so under numbered why don't ya just come try and take my flag it would be so easy for ya'll only been flying it for 15+ years not like 9/10 people I talk to complement my rebel flag decorations round here.
god bless the south
keep flying the flag of failure so everyone remembers your incredible achievement hahhahahahahahahah incompetent trash
Ain't it odd the people who fought for freedom for a couple hundred years, want to restrict somebody's freedom.
It had nothing to do with restricting someones freedom Dumbass.
@@cliffordpearsonjr.9748 Your mama
Sadly, Mr. Daras closed his business in early 2019. He decided the harassment and legal battle was no longer worth it and moved away from Orangeburg.
This was what I was wondering. Thanks. Sad to hear, though.
That is sad.
I was wondering if protesters got to it yet
@@marthacastillo6937 If they did, given the organization that owns it, it would be back up within the week and people screaming for charges to be filed. I agree that it needs to go, though.
That's sad :(
I love how they gloss over he fact that the shop owners windows were smashed
Fly it high
Tony Jackson bruh chill
Anen
People have a hard time putting their feet in someone else's shoes. These people are in love with their own ignorance.
Hate that the business owner is suffering because he initially thought the flag was not an issue. Marketing 101, do not give a segment of the market a reason not to do business with you.
Maybe the people that hate this flag so much can help contribute to legal fees for this restaurant owner who has done nothing wrong? But, no, that won't happen.
I would just erect a monument right next to the flag that was equally as offensive. Perhaps a statue of Nat Turner taking a piss on a Confederate flag lol! Then I would act surprised that anyone was offended.
djokawari Has
yeah u go ahead and make that statue see if we don't start the second civil war in America over it
djokawari yes it won’t, there are flaws in our system that legally he cannot take it down, unless his lawyer finds a loophole or a good reason. If they did raise money they could get him a new and taller flagpole...
WOLFSKANK HUNTRESS I like the statue idea! You racists don’t understand that the navy had to escort black kids into school because of the white students who would harass them. The racists will LOSE the “second civil war”, come on.
But yeah nat turner 10/10 I laughed out loud
this whole confederate flag bullshit is just blown so out of proportion anymore...why suddenly in the last 2 or 3 years did it turn into such a bandwagon cause. I don't support racism in any way shape or form..but I mean i'm in my 30s and why is it just now that it's become a big problem. Also I grew up playing cowboys & indians...suddenly if a kid wants to do that it's insensitive & disrespectful...etc..
It's been a big problem for over a century. You just didn't put much thought into why some people who not like this flag still being flown.
OK let's not get it all twisted...all of this "leftist" shit that you are spewing...I by far do not support Trump & racists & all that bullshit..but at the same time to have shows liek Dukes of Hazard get pulled off of reruns & have to spend millions to digitally remove the flag from the general lee & costing the actors that commercial deal they had when the flag crap blew up just takes it to an extreme. We can't bubble wrap & sanitize the world..pig ignorant idiots will always be there...and there'll always be something or somebody that offends somebody.
It's been an issue for years. The confederate flag had flown on top of the SC State House starting in the 1960's as a protest from the SC government for the Civil Rights Act(which btw blows a huge hole in any argument made towards the flag being about heritage) and then the flag was taken down from the top of the State House in 2000 after years of debate. The flag was then moved to the grounds in front of the State House, and still debate continued and even a boycott of the state that was active until it was removed last year.
Ray McNulty. obumba is what happened. his bull shit is helping to split the country a part it feels like it did back in the late 1950's and early 1960's.
Ray McNulty he catered to black people and not white Americans Obama didn't do shot for the country but a stupid stimulus package
He's dead, I think God has had his say on the matter.
Slavery is socialism. Socialism is slavery. You cannot be a socialist without being pro-slavery. You cannot be a "party leader" without owning slaves. At best, socialism makes you into a slave.
The modern left makes no sense at all.
Shouy Gui you my friend are very unfamiliar with history. Do more research.
@@shouygui4955 You're already a slave to the Oligarchy we currently live in. Keep working hard every day to make your Corporate masters, who control our politics, more wealthy than they already are.
Shouy Gui looks like someone failed history class .
God isn't going to say anything. He didn't even know the flag existed
Just put a signage saying "I don't own the flag, flagpole and the land it's standing on"
I feel bad for the store owner. That piece of history is destroying his store. Those who know the store should still support him and not blame him for something he doesn't have control over.
No, morons with small minds are destroying his store.
Not a big fan of the Confederate flag. But with that being said isn't the pride flag destroying our future. Raising generations of a weak kids that don't even know what gender they are which is weird that's never been a thing throughout human history? And every other country looks at America and laughs They literally think most of us are gay and weak This isn't some s*** I'm making up either I've heard it from a lot of people from other countries.
It's ignorance. If it's actually bothering the store owner, he can lease a new location. Duh. This isn't even a story. People need to relax and try to get along.
He bought the store knowing it was there. Not too bright.
That's not the Confederate flag that's the Confederate battle flag
All of which were raised for the cause of white supremacy.
Rhythmicons you realize the American flag was flown for slavery for over 60 years and no one cares about that but because people these days are a bunch of pussies we have to get rid of a flag in our history. Not how it works and you or anyone is not going to stop me from flying it or any other person who flys it
Rhythmicons you have your oppinion and we have ours. But say you got your dream car and a lot of people hated that car are you just going to stop driving your car. And it was brought up by slavery but there is more that has happend with the flag then just slavery. And the American flag has more blood on it then the confederate flag people only see one part of the flag and that is why people are against it. I don’t agree with you and you don’t agree with me that is perfectly fine because it is America and everyone has diffrent oppinions and diffrent knowledge
Rhythmicons fine if you want to be technical everyone has diffrent beliefs and I personally will always agree with the flag because i know the history
Rhythmicons and if you know as much as you say you do then you would know that the flag is to not let the government control us that’s why it’s called the rebel flag because it means your not going to let the government take our rights or control us
If you have the freedom to fly whatever you want at your home !! Then there is no difference with the business you own...
It is good to revisit these stories, even years later, to understand how we got to where we are now.
By CNN pushing lies by spreading hateful Democratic left wing liberal propaganda and folks eating it up, believing the Idiocracy and living in the past.
CNN and liberals actually want to keep the black man down as a victim. Instead of what Trump was doing, giving them power to be successful and becoming victorious.
We can all love each other and move ahead, instead of hating for the past.
"Maurice died in 2014"
Cool
Zach Johnson i wonder if he liked the clan or was a member?
RIP brother
@@jamesdevlin2223 ?
@@jamesdevlin2223 who you talking about
@@ericjones3221 I'm referring to Zach Johnson
But if they refused to remove a rainbow flag, they wouldn't care. 😒
Did the rainbow flag ever fire on the US flag?
The rainbow flag is a symbol of rights given to those that Christianity oppressed, the confederate flag is the symbol of those who took rights from others. It is not pride like the rainbow flag, it is a stain on the skin of the earth
Mammy Bigsby ha! Oof, you really got me good, there! I’m gonna need an ice pack!
Grim 93 I fail to see how your comment changes anything
Benjamin Spang if they had no rights to begin with then they can’t be taken away...
They don't shop there because he dont accept foodstamps!
The fact that the owner sold the property except the tiny area around the flag pole is awesome. Mark my words I'm gonna do this one day too
Cringe, imagine supporting a dude who said the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional
Yeah that was so awsome. You are cringe. Gonna sell your property because you don't approve of the 1st Amendment.
The flag is part of history, *SO IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM* .Lots of the defenders of the Confederate Flag use “i’m an American” or “it’s only American” or “it’s part of America” somewhere in their argument, which i find ridiculous because the Confederacy SECEDED FROM AMERICA. In reality, that flag represents not just a nation, but a nation and a people who were against equal rights and was very pro-slavery. It’s like the Nazi swastika; nobody still waives the Nazi flag on a flagpole because “it’s a part of history”. Nazi flags are in museums and personal collections. The Nazis were a people focused on oppression and persecution of Jewish people, just like the Confederacy was a nation focused on oppression and enslavement of African people.
Yea you don't see any swastikas flying around in Germany. Yes it was a part of history, but it's a little inappropriate right? The confederates were traitors to the Union.
Seth Glenn Yes, exactly!
They didn’t secede from America. They seceded from the US. America is a continent not a form of government. They were still part of America since they were officially call the Confederate states of America. Also we still have the right to fly any flag we choose on private property. Just because it’s public view does not mean it’s public property. You may not like it but you still gotta respect their rights to fly it. My neighbor fly the Irish flag and I hate that flag due for the Irish Republicans killing my people and I’m sure they don’t like my British and Ulster flags flying but we still respect each other rights to fly them.
just as they have a right to fly their flag, i have a right to vociferously let them know how displeased i am with their decision. if they get tired of hearing it, they can always take it down....
connor watson Okay first, I’m using America and the US interchangeably and playing semantics weakens your argument. Second, the difference between your problem with the Irish flag and the Unite States’ problem with the Confederate flag is that Ireland is not a country that represents the murder of British people. The countries had beef in the past, but they make amends and continue on as allies because the countries are not inherently bad. It’s the same with the US and UK. The Confederacy on the other hand, was founded to continue the practice of harsh African slavery and as retaliation at the election of Abraham Lincoln, in other words in retaliation against the US’s representative democratic election process, one of the key parts of America’s government.
Do people not know the history of this flag? They think it's "culture"
They know. They just lie about it.
Some people just enjoy being racist
Yeah, not all "culture" is worth bringing back.
@@crimsonlight4205 LMAO! Racists come up with their shit education, no wonder racists are ignorant.
@I am the Senate you're stupid
Keep it flying. Dixie will never die.
Nobody should be pressed into doing anything that isn't against the law
So let me get this straight. The man was told that the flag is not on the stores property nor owned by the shop and his reply was still I won't shop there?! Right there, that's the ignorance that prevents many from moving forward!
"I know its not his. I know thats not his property and he doesnt have any say whatsoever in it being there. Thats why ill never shop there".
Right, the comment from that guy in the video is almost as ignorant as the flag being there
@@HayastAnFedayi consider the poor defenseless little business owner is a hostage, of treasonous traitors...
which way ya gonna go, defend the sanctity of business owners or of the traitors?
You have grown adults acting like little children over something like this. People need to grow up and move on. Refusing to shop somewhere just because of a confederate flag is dumb. I fly it proudly and thanks to the group who keeps that flag flying
Put up a large sign that's reads "Flag is not on this property".
Just build a wall around it :) . T Hey only own like what ? a square foot?
That's a really good idea. A wall that blocks the flag from view on all sides. There will have to be a door put in so it doesn't block access to the property
I vote that the Northern Union states be made to pay for this wall.
INTERESTING
you cant make him pay for something he never wanted to be built, so how will we do this? by showing up with guns at his door just because people don't like what he supports?
Needs to be a pretty tall wall. Also, if you do that, a taller flagpole will be installed.
God didn't say that. "Jesus said to love one another as I have loved you" That means everyone.
They love to mix God in their nonsense to make it look right. And all christians start to be seen as them.
God would NEVER tell you to do such a thing. The devil did.
God said as much as spiderman, the smurfs and all the other made up characters. What the authors wanted to say.
@@sab1751 You are missing the point, as much as him.
@@viniciuslima9430 I'm just saying invoking God or whatever imaginary friend doesn't make any claim more sound or valid.
Dont forget this part of the bible
Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart..."
2:36 the face tells every thing
It's just a flag. Nobody is "obligated" to take down anything. You should be able to display whatever you want on private property. But no, apparently the freedom of expression is "problematic" and "racist." America was built around freedom. If you don't like it, then America is not the place for you. I suggest Germany. It's a nice place with way stricter speech regulations, if you like that sort of thing.
*Don't matter what Flag it is. As an American, I support people's right to raise whatever Flag they want.*
*That's the American Way.*
By that logic I can raise Nazi and Soviet flags as well?
Liberty Prime yes I agree with you on that long live the confederate flags don't thread on me GOD bless the USA and the South.
The Emperor Soul Fragment #12241337 sure go ahead i wont stop you.
The Emperor Soul Fragment #12241337
Yep technically you can
The Emperor Soul Fragment #12241337
Yes it’s your RIGHT to do so! I or most people may not agree with what those flags stand for but it’s your RIGHT to fly them.
If that flag is not in your property and you can't take it down, you can still put a US flag on your property and no one else can take it down.
Enix Blue Rain so we should join them in hate? you need some years on you son
Rude Man what are you talking about? I didn't know the USA and the CSA were allies in war.
Needs a sign saying "This is not my flag."
If he owns all the property around it why doesn’t he just put up a wall around it? Surely the sons of confederacy would understand the inclination to wall off undesirables.
That flag pole looked like it was at least 20feet tall how do you put a wall around it? It would be smarter to start a go fund me account on the internet and buy that piece of land to tear down the pole --- you would probably have to pay 10 times what it is worth but the problem would be solved.
@@richardwentworth1873 cant buy something that's not for sale..
ah these people, obsessing over a "heritage" that lasted all of four years.
That's the biggest part of this. It's not like the have generations to celebrate.
😃😅😆😂 best comment ever. Didnt know their heritage lasted but only 4 years. Thanks for that ammunition.
@Bryndon Crowder states rights huh. States rights to do what?
@Bryndon Crowder Your flag is the flag of traitors and losers and belongs in a museum alongside the other flags of America's enemies.
Kairi091 if it’s a big deal that they don’t have generations to celebrate it, why are some black people still caught if with slavery if that was “generations” ago? What’s all the fuss about if that flag “stood for slavery”?
Just build something around it so no one can see it. Dude only bought a very small piece of land for it.
I thought of that, but it wouldn't work as the pole is directly adjacent to a public sidewalk. The restaurant could possibly block it from view on their side of the parking lot (although at significant expense, given the height of the pole) but they would not be able to put any blocking structure on the sidewalk or the two cross-streets from which the pole is adjacent and clearly visible. Here's what I mean: www.google.com/maps/@33.4834768,-80.8722497,3a,75y,91.5h,85.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2Gx86VWB6Hb4IrM-_91Dxg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
YOUR NOT USING YOUR HEAD. DIG DOWN PAST THE POLES FOUNDATION. THE FLAG POLE WILL DROP THEN REFUSE TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR IT'S REPLACEMENT AND REFORTIFICATION. THEN JUST SUE FOR DAMAGES IN REGARDS TO THE FLAGS CAUSED TROUBLE. AS THE COMMUNITY FILES A FEDERAL CLASS ACTION SUIT. MAKE THEM PAY FOR THE TROUBLE THEY HAVE CAUSED. THE FLAG REPRESENTS TREASON RACISM AND DIVISION. Make it a national media event and issue. Put light on this darkness.
You can’t build something on public property aka THE SIDEWALK
I wonder how hard it would be to train a flock of pigeons to crap on it.
He said “not as long as we are alive” at the end. I truly believe his intake of fried chicken with biscuits and gravy may win this battle for the store owner.
It really is awful that this poor business owner and his employees are taking the brunt of all this on the account of something they have no control over and that those a holes who put up the flag just get the rest comfortably in the homes.
So instead of helping the guy protest the flag, everyone's protesting the guy who is protesting the flag? Nonsense. Idiots.
He bought the land with the big ass flag and gave no indication that he was against it try using your brain dumbass
He purchased the parcel of land knowing that there was another parcel of land next to it flying the flag. He has no legal basis to demand them to remove the flag.
The best thing he could do would be to put a sign up on his property near the parcel with the flag, explaining the situation.
Yess that is a great solution
Or rename his store in bright neon colors "Thats not my flag ☝ ice cream shop"
Fly the Perkins flag😀
Best part of the story: He died in 2014. Second best part of story. Not aslong we alive.
Death: Sips coffee.
Those are two different people.
Build a wall around it so we don't have to see it.
They should sue camp 842 for loss of earnings.
Freedom of speech is a protected right, so they wouldn't win that court battle. They'd instead be paying 842's lawyer fees.
@@aChristian4RonPaul but it would be OK to put up 3 or 5 poles around this one, flying the USA flag, to cover it up. I think the shop guy could do more to help himself.
@@margaretnicol3423 Yeah, he could definitely do more to help himself. I think a sign that says "That's not our flag" would help.
@Derek Mitchell Wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled that freedom of speech (or expression if you will) extends to far more than talking. For example, art work, photography, signing, words on cake, etc, is all considered freedom of speech.
Derek Mitchell yeah that really was not a smart comment bro unlogical
It's called a handsaw...
just smash a bucketmobile into it, then burn that flag in the least respectful way possible.
Yeah, vandalizing private property is illegal. I would like to see you try it. You're an idiot.
I love how people bring God into their hate, racism, political etc.
It's great for me personally, because it allows me to instantly tell whether the person is just confused, or actually a racist. If you try to hide whatever racist act your are committing behind "God", then you are a true racist and an obligate liar through and through.
Pink Droid :woah thats a great point 👍
Old Testament Mass Killings
1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
The next time someone says the Confederate flag represents better times or State rights. Ask them, what would this country look like if The Confederacy had won.
I will not Comply it’s Virginia’s Confederate battle flag.
Patriots Nation 4 life yeah, but who knows how long since it was so much apart of the South economy
The same. We lose some land.
Robert E. Lee 😆 😆 sure General Lee, y’all just decided to divorce from America just to make the same exact country. Keep spreading that propaganda.
@@lovettuduebor1902 What
It’s not “divisive” history. You mean “racist”.
@Coloris_m Roblox Its not. Its merely a piece of the original flag. Triggered racist who believed anyone other than themselves didn't deserve basic rights and stretched out the stars and bars to protest it. It's the same with all of the "historical statues" they were erected in reaction to the civil rights movement in the 50's. There's no true history or heritage with it what's so ever, purely and 100% just racism.
Coloris_m Roblox it stands for 1. Treason 2. Slavery as slavery was the official reason for secession according to articles of the confederacy. Go read those. Then come back here, boo.
Coloris_m Roblox slavery “played a part in it” you say? That’s enough for me. Burn that flag.
Also, do tell, what did the flag for the “confederacy of slave owning states” stand for? I’ll wait. “My guy?”! For f sakes. Stop trying to own people.
Coloris_m Roblox you still haven’t read the articles of the confederacy. Slavery is the chief reason for secession. Go read those. Stop giving me some lost cause revisionist bs. Besides, that’s not even the actual flag. Just give this up. Go read what your racist heroes wrote in their founding papers. Move on.
Coloris_m Roblox I don’t care about changing the minds of racists and bigots. The flag stands for “The Confederacy of Slave Owning States.” It’s a pretty linear logical argument here.
Note he said, "not as long as we alive." Man, I know you understand how angry people are about racial oppression right now, but you are tempting fate.
"Slavery" was the word for "socialism" during the era of the Confederacy. The ideologies are identical.
@@shouygui4955 that literally makes no fucking sense
White people have been more oppressed than anyone. They didn’t get jobs because of their color. When they break the law they go to jail. If they are fired they aren’t a “protected” class. Their schools don’t get special funding because they have black children.
@@eliweiss4118 Communism is the exact same thing as slavery you work for free you get free food you get a free house you get free everything you’re a slave to the government and that’s what our current Democrats want to push for Socialism
@@jessehdc5107 you know the majority of neo confederates are republicans right? Pendejo
I'm from South Carolina where Maurice Bessinger founded Maurice's BBQ, and even though I have mixed kids and did not agree at all with anything that man stood for, about 20 years ago when my two oldest children were still babies I got a job there, because I needed a job. Maurice was still alive then. He was the most racist cruel person I have ever met in my life. He had just written that book not long before I worked there I believe, but he would have not hire you unless you were willing to have $25 taken out of your first paycheck to purchase his book, seriously. I didn't work there very long because he ended up seeing my kids one day because we just happen to have a flat tire right next to the restaurant and I took my kids inside to wait on someone to come and change Tire bc it was hot outside. From that moment on I had major problems so I quit that same week. But anyway this was the most shocking s*** I have seen so far, this man was so f****** evil that he went to lengths that after he was dead and gone which he has been for quite some time now that those f****** Flags still can't come down. That is so ridiculous. When he first put the big flag up at the first Maurice's which was the one I worked at in Cayce South Carolina, there was debate about him having the flag there and I don't know all of the details, my grandmother said he ended up having to pay $1,000 a month to be able to hang the flag there and paid it. Right before he decided to put that flag up his business was starting to expand to the point that he had his own chain in all of the grocery stores even outside of South Carolina, selling frozen meals and his sauces. But after he put that flag up, they took all the stuff out of the stores, no one would sell it and no other state would let him put restaurants in their state so it never expanded outside of South Carolina. I always said when he died that his children would probably take the flag down and expand the business and become much more wealthy, but I didn't know until just now why that never happened. I bet he was the most stubborn motherfuker to live with in existence because he was a stubborn a******* about his racist beliefs and didn't give a damn what anybody else had to say, even the customers. He used to play the same to Confederate battle songs on repeat all day in the restaurant, and some customers asked if they could turn it down because it was really loud, and he said nope if they don't like music than they can leave smdh
Thanks for all those details. I looked up his business and in full Confederate support I am going to order Maurice' s Piggy Park Southern Gold Sauce Sampler. His Confederate patriot legacy will live long.
Just build a little storage tower around it, or put up billboards on all 4 sides to block it from view.
Orangeburg is the NICEST people i've ever seen. The history of the town is bad but, the people have left it all behind. good people, impressed me.
Canada is nicer hehe
I live in this dead town and this town is almost full of NUTS
See that's why it's still a reminder of heritage and mistakes that we should be mindful to not make again
I mean not like we gonna start having slaves again I mean like big mistakes in history like we shouldn't done that you know Cuba building missile silos way back when they probably shouldn't have done that
Yeah its pretty alright
WhyHackz why yes an open border, so much nicer.
He should just put a giant sign near it saying "flag of the losers". If they have the right to keep their flag up, then shop owner can do anything as well.
That's brilliant. A nice big sign saying "This is the flag of loser, racist, traitors." --->
Honor to Sons of Confederate Veterans
Actually the last audio bit “not as long as were aliiiive” made me chuckle. so southern county lawyer sounding.
Alhhhive
Any savvy businessman would agree with the owner of the ice cream shop. Especially with their community demographics. That’s insane.
Later that week
Confederate flag: 'hey, HEY, WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME, HELP, HELLPPP'
now im keep seeing u everywhere are u like justin y
I always cover my flag pole in lard and hook it to electricity. That way if they do succeed in climbing it some how, they won't be able to climb it because it will be like a bug zapper bbq the flies that drawn to my property. X^D
BlackRose So you are even dumber.
You fucking stupid
No South will do anything so it's history isn't removed even kill people if we have too
I dont think that flag pole follows local setback ordinance. Wow, can't believe nobody has vandalized that thing
They should build large wall directly around the flag that looks like a tower with black lives matter signs
People wont shop at the store because of the flag, despite it does not belong to owner. That's petty
If it was a Black lives matter flag. It won't be so petty. They would of burned that flag in 5 minutes.
Because the Confederate Flag represented the people who wants slavery! That is why the won’t shop there. Because they know something bad will happen if they go In there. They don’t know the man is not racist. All they know is that they see an offensive flag! THE FLAG REPRESENTS SEGREGATION AND SLAVERY, BUT ALSO HERITAGE!!
As a business owner, from a military family, the answer seems simple. I would raise at least one flag pole(I like the idea of 4 actually) with the American flag on each one! Show everyone that you respect the American flag, not the flag of traitors and racists!
and its funny because that flag was never used in the confederacy, its just a symbol of southern pride
@@tropicalslav931 Really? Then why is it so proudly displayed at rallies held by Nazis, and White Nationalists? You're a liar and a traitor to everything America stands for.
@@tropicalslav931 This is bullshit.
@@tropicalslav931🎉...amen
He ain't no vet he's probably a draft dodger.
"It's not bothering anybody not hurting anybody", she knows this isn't true.
I get what you mean, but perhaps she really doesn't. An awful lot of ppl in the Deep South simply aren't taught the TRUE history of that flag, especially rural whit folks.
Racism isn't the only enemy. Ignorance is a close 2nd. Education will help fix this.
@@andyb1653 I grew up in the south and always knew the rebel flag was symbol racism and white-pride.
@@jrgoing2764 Then you WERE taught the true meaning, and I'm glad for it. There are plenty who weren't, though. Not everyone in America receives the same quality of education, which is its own problem (but it does overlap with this one).
Ignorance is racism's best friend, if you kill one it will weaken the other.
Why wouldn’t you eat there? Honestly it has nothing to do with the owner of the shop. Just pure stupidity and ignorance.
People will judge it no matter what. If you pass by and see a flag flying outside someone’s yard, you are going to think that the flag belongs to them and that they support it
As a PoC, when I see the confederate flag on a car, home or business I see it as a sign that I am not welcome or safe. So based on the close proximity of this flag to his business, I would not venture in to check and see if he condones the flag or wants my business.
Christina Marsh I mean I understand completely what the flag stands for and don’t think they should be flown.
But it’s not the guys fault, there’s nothing he can do about it, and knowing that you still wouldn’t eat at his place?
I mean when did we loose our minds to the point that a flag that has nothing to do with someone would make them not do business there?
@@finaltwo I am hopeful that he figures out how to disassociate from the flag in some way, but until it was removed I would not feel safe and not shop there. I guess I lost my mind the first time that I was spat and called the n-word by a classmate who had rebel stickers on his binder. I guess I lost my mind when traveling in Arkansas and when entering into a gas station was greeted by the rebel flag and told that I did not belong there and was refused gas.... I have many more stories.... So in order to keep sane, I avoid potentially traumatic situations. It sucks that his business is not thriving, but the inclusion of a sign that says all are welcome and going to a few community and church meetings might change his neighbors perception of his business.
Christina Marsh I mean I sympathize with you, I’ve been a victim of a hate crime. I avoid people with “good old boy” mentalities. I very recently (last two years) got educated on the rebel flag, but and would understand why not knowing someone wouldn’t shop there.
But knowing the owner doesn’t want that flag up, it’s not his flag, and wants it down should matter also. Unfortunately in America we have laws that are outdated and almost impossible to change.
But this could literally happen to anyone, this racist made sure that flag would fly even after his death. The current owners livelihood is on the line because of forces outside of his control, I think that should be under consideration.
It’s also like if the Westbro Baptist Church was out with a “God Hates Fags” sign in front of a restaurant. I know that they are not affiliated with the restaurant, if I want to eat there I’ll walk right past the bigots.
I thought conservatives were against participation trophies???
carlos calderon LMAOOOOO
Friendly Fascist I’m not calling republicans separatists, I think you’re missing the point of all my comments, so let’s read before we type, okay? Here: I’m not calling republicans separatists, I’m calling those who wave the confederate flag, a symbol of hate and racism, separatists and racist monsters. There. All clear?
Friendly Fascist ok but anyone beyond a sixth grade education knows the parties switched platforms in the 60s so...
nitetrain131 thank you
They fought and fucking died to keep there land from being burnt, the war wasn't all black and white, was slavery ok? Hell no, but the south was about more than slavery, it was about family and love, something leftists will never understand
Why do people say the Confeds are traitors when in 1958 the Congress (northern and southern/ democrat and republican) officially recognized the CSA war dead as US war dead.
Funny. I don't see liberals arming themselves and mowing down U.S. troops. Just whining a lot.
Alexander Heath there not mowing down US troops because these are the people that claim to have gotten PTSD from shooting a rifle
Tyler Huber Care to back up that ignorant claim?
Michael Otten "liberals shoot up a baseball game". Your acting like it happens often when this is the first case of it happening. Try again.
Congress did not recognize Confederate Soldiers as war dead. It made increased pensions available to Spanish American war veterans and widows and children of US Civil war veterans and children and widows of Confederate Veterans. Their is no pardon included but a Confederate soldier could seek a pardon by applying for one some time after the civil war as was legislated by Congress. General Lee asked for one and got one but that didn't make or allow him to become a union soldier nor did he get to collect a pension.
Respect
And that lady says it's not bothering anybody well if that's the case in all black store should have a black panthers black power flag up holding the lion fist
The US is the only country that i can think of where the flag of traitors that lost a war is treated with tha same respect (or even more in some places) than the national flag.
That's pretty messed up.
Francesco It's cause the traitors were white
Francethco'th definitely part of the rethithtanth...
Francesco if this was china they would execute these people
There is nothing in the US constitution that allows states to secede either, and the Supreme Court has ruled that unilateral secession is illegal. The only way for Texas to leave is through a successful revolution (which would require Texas to first defeat the US military) or by gaining the consent of the other states.
I agree
Kinda weird how KKK and segregation members say that they are doing “god’s work” when in the Bible it says we are all made in his image and we should treat one another as we should be treated.As for the flag I feel like it belongs in a museum to remember the times but not flying proudly
The new testament says you may have slaves but that you must treat them humanely
@@Eman1900O that's the problem with the Bible,it's constantly changed by man and claimed to be the word of God
HellRanger2558 shut up
same with islam. well the extremist ones
D man Could you give me a intelligent reason or are you going to give me a 4 year old single digit IQ level reason?
We should support their right to fly it even if we disagree 🤷♂️
We should build The Wall A big beautiful Wall surrounding the Confederate flag 🙌🇺🇸
Wow you hate it to omg
Trump, go home.
Taking the flag down won’t change anyone’s heart.
But it’ll stop the spread of the virus
You dont take it down to change plps minds, you take it down cause its the right thing to do.
INCEST WILL RISE AGAIN
That is another Southern tradition. Why don't they wear that one on their t-shirts?
Teal_Hornet 21 it’s *you’re you inbred chromosomal mishap
Dumb ass yankee
@@JC-mi7wn Comma. A coma is a medical condition. Perhaps you have one of those too
It's the South. It never stopped. 23andMe has rules in place for Southern states, tracing their ancestry usually causes the computers to go into a feedback loop and crash. "So yew wuz raped by yer grandaddy, but yer kid from that time wuz raped by yer daddy, and then Daddy gave YEW one too. Then you say those two got together and had a kid. And SHE spit into the tube. Analyze THAT frat-boy..."
The Southern Strategy.
History is history for a reason to be left in the past.
Why would you want to take it down? There is no legitimate argument to do so.