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Ep. 107 - 25-06 Rem
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2023
- On this episode, Seth is joined in the studio by fellow marketing team member Matt Ritchie and sales technician Mitch Rother. The guys are continuing the discussion of cartridges based off the 30-06 by detailing the 25-06. As usual, the conversation covers the history, the design, its use as a sporting cartridge, and some of the many reasons that the 25-06 has become a go-to hunting cartridge. We hope you enjoy the show.
Another great cast, thanks. BTW, the nephew of A. O. Niedner (Adolph Otto) was a member of my congregation for a number of years. When A.O.'s father and mother immigrated from Germany, the father changed the pronunciation of his name from the German "long e" to "long i" but kept the spelling. He said that the German pronunciation sounded too close to "needy" and he certainly wasn't going to be that. You can see his legacy in the Niedner Hose Company, one of the largest manufacturers of fire hoses and equipment. I don't know if Seth intentionally pronounced the name correctly in spite of the spelling, but old A.O. and his nephew, Charlie, would be proud. Again, thanks for the many casts.
Been hunting since the 60's. The 25-06 has been my go to rifle for many decades. Hand loading has perfected my 25-06 as a tack driver. Although I have many calibers. My 25-06 is in the field more than any other.
I got my first kill just 3 weeks ago: a cow elk. 101gr LRX out of a 25-06. Went 15 yards and dropped. Full pass through. Fantastic cartridge and I couldn’t have asked for more.
Yeah and if it pass through a cow elk it will pass through a bull elk also so don't listen to some of this crap it's just ppl opinion and seems they downplay it as much as they praise it
I’ve had 2 25-06 in my lifetime and both are fantastic…superb accuracy, deadly and mild mannered
I'm one of the biggest 25-06 fans you'll meet. Let's see the 25 PRC!
😂 biggest fan looking for something else
@@gregstephens8386biggest fan interested to see what the performance would be if they did it.
Pprc,,that's pee pee rc,,,they will take the powder capacity and drop it 10 grains then claim it's faster and hits harder ,,then market it to all the fools that buy anything that someone says is the best,,,,all pprc cartridges are less than the old proven ones ,, people get hooked on the bc bullshit,when nobody should be shooting at anything but targets at long range
Love the 25-06 unreasonably because it was my first big boy rifle. Still hammering medium game with it today. Exciters to fast twist one after this barrel goes
I picked up a left-handed Ruger laminated stock in 2506. Because of a great price point. I haven’t shot it much. But after watching this, it’s going hunting next year.
Somewhere around 20 years ago I bought a Ruger skeleton stock in 25-06 and is still one of my go to guns.. love it..
After burning out 3 barrels plus 1 barrel receiver in 300 Win Mag shooting exclusively Hornady 130 gr SP’s, sold it to a fella who just had to have it. Back in 81, replaced it with the 25-06 and never looked back. Now 3 barrels, 1 barreled receiver on a new barreled receiver later reloading Hornady 117 gr SPBT which outperforms the 117 SST in wound channel entry and knockdown on whitetails. Now it’s time to bring it up into 2024 technology with the slower burning cooler runner propellants, up the twist up towards 7 1/2 to accommodate much heavier bullets like 133 gr perhaps 136+. This will give the performance to leave cartridges like the 6.5 CM in the dust. Yes, it will have a little more recoil with the 06 sending unit but look at the possibilities. Longer action people don’t like. If you get the adrenaline up they will never know the difference yet alone any recoil. Find a rifle twist to accomadate 100 to 133+ or better yet 115 to 133+ .
25-06 is a cross between a 22-250 and a 270. Just can’t beat it shooting cross canyons of Arizona & New Mexico😎
Part of this podcast that I appreciate is meeting the members of the Hornady family.
You have the answer to the baddest 25 ever. Your 134 is an absolutely perfect fit for the cartridge. 134-06 Hornady. Thank you guys for all your hard work.
Been loading Hornady bullets in my 25-06 for a long time, also 30-06, 308, 243, and 7mm Remington Mag. Never had a bullet failure since 1978.
25-06 was my first rifle (H&R single shot, heavy barrel) and its probably still my favorite cartridge. None of mine shoot the 115-117’s as good as the light stuff. 100 grain partitions (no offense to Hornady) hit like lightning on whitetails!
25-06 is an exceptional caliber, 26 inch bbl and hand load to full potential and you have a deer antelope rifle2nd to none.
Thank you been waiting on a 25-06 cast .I've been hand loading the 25-06 for the past 15 years with 117 gr sst and interlock the sst is one of my favorite and when powder got hard to find I switch to the Hodgman Hybrid 100v and worked up a load that my gun love and .5 percent from being max charged I'm getting an average 3140 fps out of my 24 in barrel. Hoping a 25 prc will make an appearance sometime soon
Please make more 25-06 brass and more 134g bullets, the combo = magic
The Hornady tech is great . Helped me out many times on reloading inquires. Big Thanks Guys. The 25-06 is a fantastic cartridge. Hard not to like.
Great to hear!
100gr TTSX at 3200 fps is a deadly mule deer blaster out to 400 yards.
Will nice to see .25 back on shelves some day. Both ammo and components.
25/06 does a lot of things very well. Hand loaded its a laser. As mentioned there are better for larger game and better for smaller game. Bullets are just catching up. I love my 25, it’s a rocket ship hand loaded, great pod cast guys. Personal preference is all it is.
Please never stop doing these. Even if you guys run out of caliber/gun things to talk about, I'd still listen/watch even if you guys just chatted for 30mins about whatever.
Bought my mod 700 used in 71. Still have 120 gr spire point flat base bullets that have the price sticker of 6.20 per 100. Those and 4831 have done the job for years
If you want a comparison take a look at the 25-06 with a 90gr CX with a BC.273 vs a 6mm Rem 90gr CX BC .418 you will be surprised ! Remington 700 BDL 6mm Rem with a 9 1/8 twist is a flat shooting gun. In Remington Catalog in the 1970’s it was one of the flattest shooting cartridges. I have Shot Whitetails and Mule Deer and Antelope it works excellent.
Kudos on the 6mm Rem.
Waiting for SHOT for them to announce 25 PRC, 25-06 for the modern age. Also 25 Creedmoor needs to be made official.
Was thinking the same on a 25 PRC. Not so much the Creedmoor, it's got a man bun and flip flop aroma to it. I'm always shocked at how little support and following the 25s get, especially for the versatility they offer.
@@stuartmeier240 the ban bun trope is older than Hammurabi's first duece.
Kimda tired of the 308 parent case ngl
I have 3, 25-06s right now. Ruger 77, Browning Abolt medallion 9 my deer slayer), and a Remington Long Range. Recently built a 25 creedmoor 1in7 for short range fclass, and a 25 prc 1in7.5 bench gun, just because. 134 eldms are awesome in both and cheaper than bergers. You could say I like the 25s. With my browning, never had a Kentucky whitetail take a step, drt. Nosler solid base, Thor’s hammer. Out of those now. I have a stash of interbonds and sst,s for deernow. Great podcast, guys.
So much good information from y’all , I share this podcast with my friends
Thanks for sharing!!
There are very few manufacturers still chambering rifles in 25/06. Mossberg, Savage and Weatherby is all I have found. I just found a Sako A7 Coyote in the Cabelas gun vault online and having it shipped to my nearest store. My first centerfire rifle was a Remington 700 BDL custom deluxe. Have owned Ruger 77 MKII Hunter, MKII Varmint/Target, No.1 and two Savage 110's in 25/06. Recently bought an old M722 in 257 Roberts that I haven't shot yet. I can't wait to get these two quarter bores out to the range and into the deer woods later this fall. I have missed them. Really sad that all the major manufacturers have dropped it. I did see that the 25 wildcats are making a run in PRS.
When the 22 ARC was first revealed, you guys released a few videos comparing it to other cartridges. I'd like to see a comparison to 204 ruger. especially for woodchucks.
I’m uncle Ellis was a gunsmith in St George UT and also a top marksman in the National Guard. In fact he took the trophy win one year receiving the trophy from the President of the US. My first year of hunting I borrowed a 30-06 he built from a Springfield Army rifle with a beautiful Monti Carlo stock out of Birds Eye maple. The second year I wanted to buy a gun and he got me a new Remington 700 in 25-06 and necked down some 30-06 bullets because at the time you couldn’t buy them off the shelf. He touted how much he loved that caliber, playing with it the prior months. That would have been right about 1969. I have hunted a lot with it and have loved it ever since then. Thanks for immortalizing it again for me. You don’t hear much about it these days.
I bought the 25-06 to take predators up to elk. Since I've been fortunate enough to get a 7 mag. for the large animals and 223 for the predators. But, the 25-06 is great for antelope, whitetails, and muleys.
Really wish Hornady would make a 25 Cal 100 grain SST. The 100 Grain Nosler Ballistic Tip handloaded to 3,370 fps is my preferred deer load. Being a Nebraska native I would rather buy Hornady though.
Great show. I've hunted Coues deer in southeastern AZ for 40 years. For the 1st 30, I carried always my trusty .30-'06. Fell on an elk hunt and cracked stock. Needed a replacement for a Coues hunt, got a .25-'06 Howa 1500. Fantastic set up. Taken 3 Coues since, all with 117 grain Superformance SST. Literally spun two of them around before they dropped. It's a perfect western deer and pronghorn rifle. Curious to try the 90 grain CX they discussed.
Some of the best of the best comes from y’all
I have a semi custom Model 700 Varmint, 25-06, mid 1970’s vintage. It replaced another semi custom 700 from the same era , .257 Weatherby. Ammunition availability is one reason, although with handloading it’s not much different. And for a while I had a garden variety 700 BDL in 257 Roberts. The 25’s are just so right for so many different things.
Great podcast. My hunting buddies when I lived in TN all used the 25-06, each in Ruger M77. Their setups never let them down. On the idea for another podcast, it may not have a wide following, but I, personally, would love to hear more of your guys opinion of the 257 Roberts. Never owned one but always a cartridge of interest to me. Again, great podcast.
Excited for this talk!!!
25-06 = deer slayer... with the correct projectile. Found out the hard way. Lol
What went wrong for you?
I assume heavier soft point?
I don’t know why I like 25-06, but I do.
The reason I say I don’t know why I like it is because there’s a multitude of calibers that will do everything it does(arguably better) in a short action and won’t require a 24”+ barrel like 25-06 does.
Still, I own one and is my open country mule deer/pronghorn rifle.
The second I think I’m going to encounter a branch of any sort I’m taking my 18” 7mm-08 instead.
Nothing wrong with using what works. And a 25-06 works.
😃 I Much Prefer Your 7mm-08 Idea Using Heavier Bullets! I Would Much Rather Pack Around An 18" or 20" Barrel Than a 24" or 26" Barrel Too! 🤔
I used to have a Ruger model 77 in 25-06 I got as a sweet 16 present. It became one of those guns I registered selling.
When I started hunting with my dad in the 70s, his main rifle was a 25-06. He's not around to ask now, but I suspect he was using it in the 60s when it was still a wildcat. Years later, I bought a 25-06. The first hunting rifle I bought for myself. Living in the wide-open spaces of west Texas, it just seemed like the right choice. Inside 400 yds, I don't think you can find a better deer and antelope cartridge.
But just today, I brought home a 7mm PRC, for when I need to shoot something bigger or possibly further away.
I've been down the fast-twist .25-06 rabbit hole for several months now. It can certainly be done with a new barrel, and to reduce trimming and improve case life it makes sense to get a .25-06AI. According to several articles I've read, factory .25-06 ammo can still be fired accurately in the AI and you end up with fireformed brass as a side benefit while you purchase components to reload.
To truly maximize the potential of the extra long 133-135 bullets, and to mitigate the risk of compressed loads, you must have the new barrel reamed well beyond SAAMI 3.25 specs. Taking the base to neck/shoulder measurement + bearing surface + nose length, your COAL is going to be around 3.36". Sending a dummy round with your desired COAL so the smith or manufacturer can include preferred jump is the ticket.
The other thing you have to watch out for is internal magazine length of your rifle. For example, my Tikka .25-06 has a published internal maximum of 3.36", but I've not been able to get cartridges longer than around 3.30 to feed reliably due to jamb in the action. The 700 clones, Savage, and others do not have these restrictions with the long actions. So keep this in mind as well.
Finally, while the .25-06 has enormous tradition and cool factor, there are several modern cartridges that perform more efficiently inside 500 yards with far less powder and recoil. Staying in the quarter bore family, the 25cm can achieve 3,000 fps while burning roughly 25% less powder in a 26" barrel. In addition, the 6cm shooting 108s can be loaded to the same velocity and virtually the same trajectory with less powder, blast, and recoil.
For now, I'm working up a Speer 100 grain BTSP load for my .25-06 for all game species while I save money for a 6cm.
Happy New Year!
Love 25-06
I had a 25-06 many years ago, it had a 26" barrel and was still like a fire breathing dragon. I didn't reload back then and factory rounds seemed to not burn fast enough (presumed). Besides producing a huge fireball the muzzle blast sound was ridiculously loud, like it had a brake on it, but it didn't. Anyhow I sold it and never looked back.
First deer and elk hunt as an teen was with 25-06. Now that im a 50something i much prefer the 270win. Im agnostic in that ive got no real favorites and simply dont care, theyre just tools. My 270win can do much the same as an 25-06 with similar recoil yet can take it up a few notches in bullet weights. Then the big enchilada is the logistics and cost benefit of having an 270win.
My REM 700 was built back in ‘83 and it is like you said, smooth action and gorgeous! Once I need to replace the barrel I might go with a 7.5” twist and rechamber for 25-06AI. I will have to try loading the 90gr CX, if I can find them, or you can send me some :)
Just bought a Browning X-Bolt white Medallion in the 25-06. Lucky enough to find one since Browning discontinued them and other calibers.
I've had a Ruger M77 in 25.06 for about 30 years. Bought it brand new. First rifle that wasn't a hand me down. It has a 24", pretty heavy barrel. About a year after I bought it, I put it in a Boyds thumb hole stock and put a Nikon Monarch 6-24x42 on it and re-zeroed from 100 to 200 yds. I glass beded it and did a little trigger work. I have only shot 110 gr Nosler ballistic tips. It is a sub MOA shooter. It has killed everything it was pointed at. The furthest was 420 yds and he didn't take a step. I absolutely love that rifle. It will belong to one of my Grandsons one day and I'm sure they will be very happy with it. I guess I got lucky and it is a Wednesday gun, because everything about it is awesome. It's tight! Hardly any slop in the chamber or the bolt. I have never shot through a Chrono, but everyone I hunt with, knows when I take a shot. From a distance, they say it makes that quintessential old western, movie sound of a rifle. I have many rifles, but it is by far my favorite. 🥳
Excellent round, it was my first rifle purchage when I turned 18 in 1973. Still have it and a custom 25-06AI on a Sako action!
Great video on one of my favorite cartridges. If you haven’t already, please do the 280 Remington.
Great suggestion!
@@hornady Thank you, and have a Happy New Year!
I miss Joyce's 120gr HP he had for the .257 Wby. It has been phenomenal for me on game for many years, and my stash is about shot up.
I like the podcast. Ill submit my request again for the ol' 35whelen.
😃 Agreed!
The Whelen and the 25-06 make a great pairing.
Just had a custom Whelen built. Hopefully they will get to it yet.
👨🏫 My Former Co-Worker Called It a "Thinking Man's Magnum"! Great Choice! 👍😃
@@ronlowney4700 absolutely. Low recoil and magnum performance with 55ish grains of powder.
Imo 25-06 and .243 win are extremely versatile for where I hunt.
💯 agree
Great Podcast again for sure
Thank you!
An enjoyable conversation regarding an interesting cartridge. I couldn't help but page between the 25-06 Remington and 270 Winchester load data in the 11th edition Reloading Handbook. An interesting comparison/contrast is that loads for the discussed 110-117-grain bullet designs in the 25-06 Rem exhibit analogous velocities to a 130-grain bullet in the 270 Win, where the .277 bullets generally exhibit higher G1 B.C.s and thus should exhibit better long(ish) range trajectory. Is the greatest detraction from arguing the merits of the 25-06 Rem is that it does not offer anything different from the 270 Win other than slight increases in sectional density and a minor decrease in recoil? Personally, this seems like a redundant cartridge given that I will prioritize frontal diameter over sectional density.
Not sure why, but the small reduction in recoil seems like a decent jump in my experience. A 270 feels more like a 30-06. A 25-06 feels more like a 243.
The strength of the 25-06 is the varmint loadings. Can’t go wrong with the 270 or 25-06.
I wish that Hornady would get some more 110 grain eldx bullets made haven’t seen any for several years now and that’s a bullet I like in the 25-06
My choice is what I have, T/C Encore Pro in 25/06 in a heavy bull barrel. 4x12x50AO. One shot is all ya got, make it count.
I seriously couldn’t fount the white tail I harvested with 25-06. Excellent cartridge. Would be exceedingly excellent in a short action
Love the 25 06. Love the 100 grain nosler ballistic tips, but there is always a couple of boxes of hornady 117 gr round nose on my shelf with a bottle of reloaded 22. There is no way to load them inaccurately. Keep making the round noses.
I grew up in areas where most shots at deer were less than 100 yards. When I was young, I met a guy who had a 25-06, and said "with that, you could stand here and shoot deer over in the next county!" It seemed massively overbore to me at the time.
Love the 25-06, can yall do a podcast on the 6.5x55 Swedish?
As a wounded Vietnam veteran, how about coming up with better nato class bullet for crappy 5.56 caliber or better yet? I wanted a heavier bullet in jungle of Vietnam? Yet I feel the 6.8spc is much better cartridges than 5.56 ! All soldiers would appreciate what y’all are doing!
I have a custom 60's Springfield in 25 aught six My most accurate hunting rifle -BUT-I want to hear a story about the 6.5 -06 If you have one you dont need anything else !
Billy Bob said he grew up shooting the 17HMR. I feel old now. I was working in the firearms industry before that round came out. 😂
Well yeah that was already 22 years ago
Another excellent podcast, and on an excellent calibre.
Cheers 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Glad you enjoyed it
I really enjoy the podcasts. I know you guys are working down the .30-06 line and you just did the .270 Win but I’d like to know your thoughts on the .280 REM. In my opinion it’s the best out of the .30-06 “children” but you hardly ever hear anything about it.
270 outshines the 280.
Good round would have been more popular if it came out before the 270 but that didn't happen. Also the 280 didn't have Jack O'Connor behind it.
because the 280 AI exists
Im watching this podcast. You commented a lot about wildcat guys. Giving the limited avaabily of suplies or equipment to load and or reload.
I would like to see a podcast on what these wildcatters were using and where they would have been able to purchase it. Also, did they have to make their own dies? their own presses? their own Powders? Did any blacksmiths have knowledge on making any of the required reloading equipment?
My dang boss forced me to buy a 25-06.
And I’m so grateful.
Would love to see a 117gr SST or Interbond boat tail for better BC in the .257" diameter bullet.
Will the 6.8 western ever be loaded by hornaday?
I like IMR 7828SSC in a quarter bore.
I believe the .22 high power is still in use in some Scandinavian countries.
Do a 35 whelen episode. Also we need a 225gr eldx in .358. Thanks
Are you guys ever going to make a 150 sst superformance load for the 300 win mag? Ive only ever seen the 180 and even that one haven't found in years
Next 280, than 280ai than 35 whelen. Looking forward to it
Excellent podcast, I have owned two 25-06 rifles, the only problem is where are all the bullets ???????
I still have a small supply on hand, but I can't burn them up if I can't replenish them !!!
I’ve actually been learning more about this caliber and its abilities in the wind. I’m actually considering getting one myself but understand the newer bullet weights won’t do well with the twist rates of old, what twist rates are recommended for the 130 plus projectiles? Thanks
1 in 8 minimum for the new 130+ projectiles
Can ya make a 105 gr. Partition for my 25.06 .I love any hunting or bullet related... I even saved some Ole mushroomed bullets just to study a bullets force.. i,m like that
So when are we getting a 25PRC?
What do y’all think of encore 28 in. Barrel. If I can get mgm to make me a barrel in 1/10 twist
35 whelen doesn’t get enough attention to , thanks men, for all your information? But one last thing ? What is best rate of twist for a 125 grain bullet in 2506 and will y’all make a 125 grain bullets
It depends on the specific bullet with things like total length, boat tail length and angle, and length of bearing surface.
Also what we need is the 256 win mag brought back to life. Mayne with a rimless version based on the 223 case. That way the pressure can be higher. That in a m77 ruger, marlin 1894c or rossi 92. 60- 100 gr bullets. It would really put a 22wmr to shame
I have wondered and researched without any luck about wildcat rifles. Did the wildcatters have any idea for a cartridge and create it, then go to a gunsmith and have the action and barrel machined? Were some wildcatters gunsmiths/machinists themselves?
I have a sporterized 8mm Mauser I don’t like to shoot for a few reasons. I’m looking to have it rechambered to a 25-06, anyone have a recommendation on anyone who works on old mausers?
I was wondering if you guys talked about the old 257 Roberts that's another cartridge it's in that family that doesn't get much love
Why is the 257 Weatherby not at the top of your list? I just got back from the range two days ago and this was my go to rifle. Of course I like the 25-06 but the Weatherby will make all other 257 calibers go in the corner and cry. I won't shoot Hornady bullets either. It is either Berger, Sierra or Barnes. With Hornady you better weigh each round...
Went into gun shop for a 25wssm they did not have one my best friend said hey they got a 25-06 best gun I ever bought ruger mark ii all weather. proubly my favorite gun 270wsm all so in my list of go to guns
Are you able to speak a bit about the accuracy issues of the cartridge and how to overcome them? Eg hand loading? I have learnt that Tikka and Sako no longer chamber rifles in 25-06 due to accuracy issues and Browning and Winchester seem to not offer a rifle in this option either.
I was going to try the BlackJack Ace 131 grain bullet. I ordered a box and they never came. I thought it was our supply issues. I emailed them at 6 mo., no response. I guess they are out of business. But, they ran my credit card.
Don't order from Blackjack bullets!
The black jack bullets are actually sierra bullets that explains everything ya need to know
@waynemayle865 I'm pretty sure sierra won't return my money!
@@waynemensen4252 I know they won't there's alot of people in the same boat as you not getting there orders filled but were charged
Someday my dad give up his 243 and give to me and I’ll have the only 3 guns I’ll really ever need 22-250, 243, and 270 those 3 will do about anything in North America all readily available just never been a 06 guy maybe at this point it’s just being stubborn cause why do I need it with all these other options
Any chance the 134 ELD-M will be added to the Hornady app?
Kids ! The .25-06 is a laser beam !
I’ve heard that the ELD-X (precision hunter) has too much expansion and essentially disintegrates at higher velocities.. I picked up 110gr for my 25-06 which will push them above 3000fps.. does anyone have any experiences using them on game?
Whats the 25 cal 134eldm built around ?
I've been waiting for several years to see Hornady produce 25-06 brass again. When is it going to happen? It's like your interest in this cartridge has fallen off the map. It is good to see you at least talking about it, but we want product!
Your forgetting, P.O. Ackley. Wildcatter extraordinaire. Then there was Rocky Gibbs also.
Looking to get a simple, straight forward hunting rifle my small wife can enjoy but can also take most game, is affordable and can target shoot (500 yards, if she loves it, out to 1000)
Options im considering:
243
6.5 CM
25-06
270
I think the 270 might recoil too much for her.
Hypothetically the 25-06 is the perfect cartridge, but it might 5ake a lot of playing with it to get it to perform like the 243 and 6.5 can do out of the box.
Yaaa 25-06 😊
Have you ever ran into a 177-06? I have seen 1 in Monmouth Illinois.
Wonder what a 6.5 prc necked down to 25 call would be like
Fast, flat, awesome. But you would have to stay on top of cleaning.
I love my 6.5 PRC and have thought about going the other way necking it up to a 35 cal to make a modernized version of the 350 rem mag. I think it would be a great hog/bear gun.
FORESHADOWING: 25 PRC cartridge is coming down the Hornady pipeline.
@@hornadySo when are we getting a 25PRC by Hornady?
I would love one as a WNY hunter that does not have elk but has black bear and deer with shooting spots up to 300 yards.
A 25PRC would be my 1 and done rifle for everything I hunt for
@24kachina a bunch of us have been hoping and waiting😎
While I love the 25-06, I have two, but Hornady needs to legitimize the 25 Creedmoor.