Here is a nice installation of four elevators. I notice that the motors have the particularity of having the rotor rotating around the stator which is not very common for high speed motors.
Touch screen destination dispatch in 2006??? Ok looking at it again, the refresh rate of the screens is quite bad, so it makes sense. Very futuristic for the time though! Really weird that there is a room that the cables pass through and that the governor is kept in. Would make more sense to make the shaft higher instead. Also that counter weight is very thicc!
Yes indeed, they are original from 2006. The lifts were built with destination dispatch from the beginning and the displays run on some super old embedded Windows.
@@Swissvator Wir haben in der Schweiz viele schnellere Anlagen, man muss nur wissen wo. 2.5m/s habe ich jetzt schon zig mal gesehen,d as ist für mich auch nicht mehr so besonders. Wir haben einige Installationen mit 3.5m/s in der Schweiz. Der Prime Tower müsste ausm Hinterkopf iwie 4 oder 5 m/s haben, Die Anlagen aufm Jungfraujoch haben 6.3 und in den Roche Türmen gibt es 7. Aber letzter kann man natürlich nicht filmen. Das schnellste, was ich bisher dokumentieren konnte, ist 6.3m/s, aber nicht in der Schweiz. Hierzulande hab ich bisher 3.5m/s gefilmt, zwei komplett verschiedene Anlagen sogar. Im Gegensatz zu Deutschland haben wir halt viel später angefangen, hohe Bürogebäude zu bauen, deswegen ist es bei uns auch schwieriger mit hohen, schnellen Anlagen. Wohngebäude haben generell halt langsamere Sachen drin. Schindler 5500 mit 2.5m/s z.B. gibts aber echt überall, sogar einige mit 3m/s. Aber das ist halt alles dasselbe. Es ist zwar schnell, aber irgendwie doch langweilig.
Mannheim wäre am Weg, wenn ich wieder weiter nördlich nach Deutschland fahre. Extra nur nach Mannheim fahre ich sicher nicht. Vielleicht ergibt sich mal was, wenn ich auf Durchreise bin, aber das kann ich nicht garantieren. Die Anlagen voll zu dokumentieren ist nämlich immer ein riesen Aufwand.
Indeed, I like that too. Though one must also take into account that the traction sheaves here have circular grooves instead of trapezoidal ones like on most geared machines. Circular groves produce less traction than trapezoidal ones.
This is actually more common than you might think. Nowadays, it is very common in big office buildings. On larger groups of lifts with many floors, this system can dispatch the lifts much more efficiently than a conventional up/down call system. It also has benefits if not all lifts of the group serve all floors. If you want to go to the basement for example, but only one lift of the group goes there, it will send you this very lift. With a conventional system you would just have to hope to get the right one.
Ich filme zwar hauptsächlich Anlagen aus der Schweiz, aber ja, ich bin auch immer mal wieder in Deutschland unterwegs. Stimmt, jetzt wo dus sagst, ich hab ihn offenbar überholt. Es steckt ja auch ne Menge Arbeit in den Videos, das braucht viel Zeit und ist ein riesen Aufwand. Ich meinte, ich habe nach wie vor den einzige Kanal im deutschsprachigen Raum, der alle präsentierten Anlagen so detailliert zeigt. Da sieht man natürlich gerne, wenn sich die Leute dafür auch interessieren.
I'd love to have been able to see these lifts/motor room in their original form do you know more details about them before they got modernized? Were they also running as a set of 4?
Me too, an original set of high-speed lifts from 1960 would be an insane relic of the time. I know of some such installs from Otis that still exist in the US, but all the European companies like Kone, Schindler and TKE (back then Rheinstahl, as mentioned in the video) also had their own high-speed drive systems. But due to the rarity of older tall buildings in Europe in general, these installs are now super rare and mostly modernised. What can be said is that the lifts here must have originally been DC gearless. That's the only way to reach the speed they have, assuming they were this fast (or at least >=2.5m/s) from the beginning. It is very likely that the MG sets for the DC voltage were placed on the low floor below the the motors, where the governors are. Controllers must have been relay, cause to my knowledge, Schindler and Schlieren were the only ones installing advanced transistor technology at that time. A group of 4 lifts is probably the most likely scenario here, but that I can't tell. Could also have been 2 groups of 2 but that's just a guess. 2006 is almost 20 years ago now and trying to figure out what was before then is really hard. In hindsight I should have had a closer look into all the documentation on site, maybe there would have been some more information. But especially in Germany this is always a gamble. Sometimes there's a huge amount of paperwork containing everything one could wish for, including drawings of the shaft and motor room. And on other occasions there is, well, nothing but a few schematics.
I fully understand, thanks a lot for your time trying to address my question In my country (Macedonia, part of former Yugoslavia) there were mid to high-rise lifts made under license from Schindler and Rheinshtall with various types of drives, but they have been all modernised since many have been beyond repair, mostly due to poor maintenance. I'm refering to lifts made up until the early 1990s. Some simpler 2 speed drives still live on in apartment buildings to this day. I can't wrap my head around the fact that 2006 is almost 20 years ago😅 Time flies so fast
@@igorangelkovski3760 You're welcome! That's interesting to here. I know of Daka-Schindler, so lifts built by Daka under license of Schindler. But it's the same story there with only very few remaining that have the faster, more advanced thyristor drives. Also yes, time is just flying by like crazy. And then I'm trying to somehow capture the old relics of lift engineering that are still around before they're gone, which is getting more and more difficult over time.
5 min 30 ils sont bizarre les câbles de traction, déjà ils vibrent beaucoup comme si il y avait une différence de tension et en plus ils sont recouvert d'un floconage blanc comme de l'amiante ??? en plus il y a un bruit toc toc toc comme un corbeau de régulateur de vitesse qui frotte. Les machines sont sales, idem pour le toit de cabine pas fier de montrer des équipements dans cet état En plus tu filmes sur le toit de la cabine en grande vitesse en montée, comme si les ascenseurs ne se retrouvent jamais en fin de course haut dans le plafond, pas très clean au niveau sécurité.
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Besten Dank!
Here is a nice installation of four elevators. I notice that the motors have the particularity of having the rotor rotating around the stator which is not very common for high speed motors.
Indeed, these machines here are outrunners, where the rotor is built around the stator. Not very common but I really like that design.
Ein toller Schnell(auf)zug! Gutes Video!
Dankesehr!
Touch screen destination dispatch in 2006??? Ok looking at it again, the refresh rate of the screens is quite bad, so it makes sense. Very futuristic for the time though!
Really weird that there is a room that the cables pass through and that the governor is kept in. Would make more sense to make the shaft higher instead.
Also that counter weight is very thicc!
Yes indeed, they are original from 2006. The lifts were built with destination dispatch from the beginning and the displays run on some super old embedded Windows.
this is the kind of content i need in my life
5:40 wow, massive holes into the shaft
Indeed, these are huge. Great for filming but not really up to modern work safety standards. ^^
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Cheers for the vid. She's a fast one.
@@MattyEngland Thx!
Egg yes
Die Aufzügen sind ja echt schnell!!!
Jap, die Anlagen hier sind wirklich schnell unterwegs. Findet man in der Schweiz leider nicht zu oft.
@@TheLiftDragon Ja die schnellsten sind glaube ich die im CityWest Hotel in Chur. Bis jetzt hab ich noch keine schnellere gesehen.
@@Swissvator Wir haben in der Schweiz viele schnellere Anlagen, man muss nur wissen wo. 2.5m/s habe ich jetzt schon zig mal gesehen,d as ist für mich auch nicht mehr so besonders. Wir haben einige Installationen mit 3.5m/s in der Schweiz. Der Prime Tower müsste ausm Hinterkopf iwie 4 oder 5 m/s haben, Die Anlagen aufm Jungfraujoch haben 6.3 und in den Roche Türmen gibt es 7. Aber letzter kann man natürlich nicht filmen. Das schnellste, was ich bisher dokumentieren konnte, ist 6.3m/s, aber nicht in der Schweiz. Hierzulande hab ich bisher 3.5m/s gefilmt, zwei komplett verschiedene Anlagen sogar. Im Gegensatz zu Deutschland haben wir halt viel später angefangen, hohe Bürogebäude zu bauen, deswegen ist es bei uns auch schwieriger mit hohen, schnellen Anlagen. Wohngebäude haben generell halt langsamere Sachen drin. Schindler 5500 mit 2.5m/s z.B. gibts aber echt überall, sogar einige mit 3m/s. Aber das ist halt alles dasselbe. Es ist zwar schnell, aber irgendwie doch langweilig.
kannst du extra nach mannheim fahren und den aufzug bei collini center filmen mit steuerung und schacht?
es hat 30 stockwerken TKE Aufzug
Mannheim wäre am Weg, wenn ich wieder weiter nördlich nach Deutschland fahre. Extra nur nach Mannheim fahre ich sicher nicht. Vielleicht ergibt sich mal was, wenn ich auf Durchreise bin, aber das kann ich nicht garantieren. Die Anlagen voll zu dokumentieren ist nämlich immer ein riesen Aufwand.
i love your video bro 😍😍
Thx!
Double wrapped traction cables, I like that as it gives more grip.
Indeed, I like that too. Though one must also take into account that the traction sheaves here have circular grooves instead of trapezoidal ones like on most geared machines. Circular groves produce less traction than trapezoidal ones.
First time I have _not_ seen floor buttons _inside_ an elevator!
This is actually more common than you might think. Nowadays, it is very common in big office buildings. On larger groups of lifts with many floors, this system can dispatch the lifts much more efficiently than a conventional up/down call system. It also has benefits if not all lifts of the group serve all floors. If you want to go to the basement for example, but only one lift of the group goes there, it will send you this very lift. With a conventional system you would just have to hope to get the right one.
du bist der erste der deutscher aufzug filmt und hast mehr abonnent als elevatorfan ich bin stolz auf dich
Ich filme zwar hauptsächlich Anlagen aus der Schweiz, aber ja, ich bin auch immer mal wieder in Deutschland unterwegs.
Stimmt, jetzt wo dus sagst, ich hab ihn offenbar überholt. Es steckt ja auch ne Menge Arbeit in den Videos, das braucht viel Zeit und ist ein riesen Aufwand. Ich meinte, ich habe nach wie vor den einzige Kanal im deutschsprachigen Raum, der alle präsentierten Anlagen so detailliert zeigt. Da sieht man natürlich gerne, wenn sich die Leute dafür auch interessieren.
@@TheLiftDragon aber sowas bitte mach weiter so und so kriegst du mehr abos
gestern hattest du 4280 abos
mooie installatie weer , dank
voor het maken van de video 👍
You're welcome!
I'd love to have been able to see these lifts/motor room in their original form
do you know more details about them before they got modernized? Were they also running as a set of 4?
Me too, an original set of high-speed lifts from 1960 would be an insane relic of the time. I know of some such installs from Otis that still exist in the US, but all the European companies like Kone, Schindler and TKE (back then Rheinstahl, as mentioned in the video) also had their own high-speed drive systems. But due to the rarity of older tall buildings in Europe in general, these installs are now super rare and mostly modernised.
What can be said is that the lifts here must have originally been DC gearless. That's the only way to reach the speed they have, assuming they were this fast (or at least >=2.5m/s) from the beginning. It is very likely that the MG sets for the DC voltage were placed on the low floor below the the motors, where the governors are. Controllers must have been relay, cause to my knowledge, Schindler and Schlieren were the only ones installing advanced transistor technology at that time. A group of 4 lifts is probably the most likely scenario here, but that I can't tell. Could also have been 2 groups of 2 but that's just a guess. 2006 is almost 20 years ago now and trying to figure out what was before then is really hard. In hindsight I should have had a closer look into all the documentation on site, maybe there would have been some more information. But especially in Germany this is always a gamble. Sometimes there's a huge amount of paperwork containing everything one could wish for, including drawings of the shaft and motor room. And on other occasions there is, well, nothing but a few schematics.
I fully understand, thanks a lot for your time trying to address my question
In my country (Macedonia, part of former Yugoslavia) there were mid to high-rise lifts made under license from Schindler and Rheinshtall with various types of drives, but they have been all modernised since many have been beyond repair, mostly due to poor maintenance. I'm refering to lifts made up until the early 1990s. Some simpler 2 speed drives still live on in apartment buildings to this day.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that 2006 is almost 20 years ago😅
Time flies so fast
@@igorangelkovski3760 You're welcome!
That's interesting to here. I know of Daka-Schindler, so lifts built by Daka under license of Schindler. But it's the same story there with only very few remaining that have the faster, more advanced thyristor drives.
Also yes, time is just flying by like crazy. And then I'm trying to somehow capture the old relics of lift engineering that are still around before they're gone, which is getting more and more difficult over time.
I greatly appreciate your efforts to create and upload these videos. Keep up the great work!
5 min 30 ils sont bizarre les câbles de traction, déjà ils vibrent beaucoup comme si il y avait une différence de tension et en plus ils sont recouvert d'un floconage blanc comme de l'amiante ??? en plus il y a un bruit toc toc toc comme un corbeau de régulateur de vitesse qui frotte.
Les machines sont sales, idem pour le toit de cabine pas fier de montrer des équipements dans cet état
En plus tu filmes sur le toit de la cabine en grande vitesse en montée, comme si les ascenseurs ne se retrouvent jamais en fin de course haut dans le plafond, pas très clean au niveau sécurité.