How To Build A Grape Vine Support Trellis. The MOST Popular Type.
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Ok all, I did make a mistake in calculation at the bottom for the top wire anchor point. After the top wire goes over the pipe it should go down to a ground helical anchor that is placed about 10" away from the base of the post.
how long is your pipe??? 16 inch anchors okay?
Watching this video for the first time and was wondering about your guy wire. Reattaching to the base of the pole will help with bowing but not with racking and loosening soil. For best results, anchor it about 2" closer to the base than the length of your braceing arm. Excellent video! Think I'm going to use this system but pour concrete around the base and ditch the guy wire totally.
@@brandonbrake9652 wouldn’t a concrete based post just be pulled over as there will be constant and unidirectional pressure on it?
Is nobody going to mention that on day one you've already maxed out your turnbuckle. Just saying. But, I did enjoy the video, good stuff.
Ok folks. This is a really helpful how-to video. I followed it step by step. Placed my poles in 2 ft deep tamped around it until it was solid. However in tightening my top wire I found both poles that were straight are now leaning towards each other.
I recommend either going with a 10-ft pole and put in your pole in the ground 4 ft deep or pouring some concrete in it.
A better option is to guy the end post or use a push brace set up on the inside. I prefer using a push brace to keep the end posts straight because then i don't have to mow around a down guy. Concrete, and putting the post deeper will not keep the ends straight over the long term,
@@Jimmy-ul3si A push brace for posts that tall, and being set in such soft soil, plus the weight of the vines, over time the end posts will lean a lot. Push braces should be mandatory for this kind of structure and use.
I was going to say, tamped dirt alone will not support stretching a wire.
@@sunriseboy4837 What is a "push brace" exactly? I built a grape trellis like this and googled for push brace but not finding anything, just random stuff of fence posts.
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Great setup ! Just a idea would be cementing in just the end posts as those are the ones that take all the tension.
I loved your video. It was helpful. I'm new to doing my own diy as a woman. It would've been helpful to have included a written material list in your description. I'm at a loss & get overwhelmed at what to buy when I go to the huge home improvement store.
I was lost at how you attached the clamps(?) to the wire ends and what size clamps to get for wire. But thank you for trying to educate us!
Very helpful going to try this way this season. Will reach out for help. Thank You.
You're welcome. Look at the pinned comment. I made a slight miscalculation.
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I appreciate it. Glad we could help.
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Brilliant stuff! Wishing you actually could be commissioned to do this type of work project. Seems where I live workers skill-set is minimal and level of competence/ability can’t be trusted
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is it me or is he Rick Grimes stunt double?
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great shirt & great trellis!
Thank you
You can use trellis for tomato and all vine vegetables as well. It gets them off the ground and helps to keep bugs down.
It helps keep disease down, too. I prune mine up about 12-18" so when I water there is no splash on the leaves. This also creates healthy air space. All of my tomatoes are strung up, I just have structures to string them up to.
Trellising is great. We use them for many different vegetables and fruits.
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I'm a total newbie at anything like this--how did you fasten that last wire. Not the catch hooks--I understand that--but at the ends of the wires, how did you finish that so they don't slide out?
They are threaded down the the eye screw, looped through, and secured to itself via a wire clamp.
Great video. Perhaps you were someone in the comments could help. I have a grapevine that I was growing at the bottom of my porch right at the legs of the porch. This is the third year and it’s starting to be fruit and I don’t know how to handle it, lol. The plant is extending from one leg of the porch to the other, but it’s kind of bushy so I don’t know if I should cut off the ones that are fruiting or how to train it at this point. Some of the fruit are touching the ground. PLEASE HELP 😢😂
Thanks.
You should train it and shape it how you want. I would wait until the fall to start that however. We have many videos on grape pruning and training. Look in our video archives.
@@CountryLivingExperience thanks i’ll definitely check the other videos out as well.
I would attach the guy wire from the top of the post to a ground anchor, with or without a standoff,
WOW.. grape trellises are easy to build compared to the cold hardy kiwi trellis I had to build for my cold hardy kiwis mainly because cold hardy kiwi trellises have to be a lot more durable than grape trellises. Because cold hardy kiwi vines get a lot thicker, heavier, taller, and spread out 10 to 15 feet horizontally depending on the variety anyway great job on the grape trellis.
Kiwi are certainly a lot heavier.
@@CountryLivingExperience yes that's the problem with cold hardy kiwi or kiwi in general. Like the whole trellis has to be made out of wood timbers. Because if it's not it will just break or bend depending on what you're using for the supports of the trellis.
@@CountryLivingExperience I originally tried using steel t post's but they just bent under the weight of the kiwi vines once they got bigger.
@@mch.l.trecords9169 For our kiwi trellis I used 6" treated posts and cattle panel.
@@CountryLivingExperience yeah that should work too over the long run I feel like if I used t post and woven wire fencing the distribution of weight would have been better and they wouldn't have bent. But since I used steel rope and t post there wasn't a even distribution of weight but I didn't figure that out until I built this humongous timber frame trellis.
Do you have a step by step updated guide with materials list somewhere? This video is 2 years old and you have multiple comments saying you changed some things. I just bought 2 grape vines and want them to have a happy life- but have no clue what I’m doing! Thanks!
The video is the guide. Materials will change per length of your project.
The only thing I changed is where the bottom anchor is located. I moved it out from the bottom of the post to helical ground anchors located about 8 inches away from the base of the end posts.
@@CountryLivingExperience I've rewatched this video 5x now and am writing it all down on paper so I don't forget! How long was your piping for your guy wire? Do you think if I poured concrete for the posts this would be sufficient instead of having a guy wire anchored? ( Sorry if I'm not using these terms correctly- they are new to me!) Also wondering where you got your supplies from..tractor supply? lowes? home depot? and which tools do you need (My husband probably has them all but I want to make sure I ask for the right ones!) I plan on having 2 plants, so based off your set up I was going to do 3 posts, ~8-10 feet apart. So far my list of supplies includes: #10 gauge wire, turn buckles, heavy duty I screws, wire clamps, 4 inch 8 foot long posts, vineyard wire clips, fencing staples. Anything else I'm forgetting? Thank you for this video it's very helpful!
You're welcome.
The pipes were about 10 inches long. You would still need the guy wires even if you poured concrete. I got the supplies from all over the place including leftovers in my barn. If you have 2 vines, they will need 10 feet in each direction for a total of 40 feet. The posts would need to be 20ft apart. Your list seems complete.
what type of pipe is used for the support piece that's held perpendicular to the end pole? is seems like the metal must be soft enough to notch/cut, yet strong enough to provide support.
It is a 1 1/2" galvanized steel pipe.
@@CountryLivingExperience what tool did you use to notch and to cut the arc? maybe a file for the arc and a hacksaw for the arc? Thanks!
@@ToddMorgan-z5y Just an angle grinder
Does this also work with muscadine vines? I think they might weigh more than grapes so should the post be closer than 6 feet to the plant?
I used a Modified Munson system for my muscadines and I really like it. I did videos on that as well.
We are starting our first one grapevine how long does it take to grow and when it's up there how big of a piece of wood can hold it
They take a year or more to train up to your bottom wire. I did many videos on how to train grapevines here.....ruclips.net/p/PLe8gvCbPFkexdF7mAlUZM7hbtgSzuCXFZ. Use 5" treated posts at least.
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I would suggest putting some rock in post hole to reap with drainage and wood rot..
I couldn’t find 10 gage wire. Could I use another kind of gage?
You can use what you can find. Just make sure it is strong enough to hold this vines when they are fully grown.
Great videos...
How do you cut the support pipe with a radius?
Thank you. I just used an angle grinder.
@@CountryLivingExperience Great! Thanks for quick reply
What size of turn buckles etc do you recommend
Central Texas girl here again…so a year and a half after planting the table grapes how are they growing? You look like you’re up in the piney woods close to Tyler and I’m down in Temple in black land clay so I know we are very different even though we are both Texas zone 8b but I’m still curious about the success you’ve had. I’ve watched a few Texas A&M videos and they basically said that only muscadine would grow well in Texas and there weren’t any table type muscadines varieties any anything close had really tough skins or huge seeds…sometimes both. Where these the Carlos and Fry varieties that you referenced in my last inquiry? Sorry for all the questions…I would really love to grow a good munching grape here…I can only make so much jelly with those mustangs. Love the trellis BTW. I was getting ready to get supplies and I really like this method you showcased. Awesome! Enjoying your channel. It’s nice to see someone with similar growing and living conditions as myself…there just isn’t much out there that fits our unique conditions. Thank you again and have a super blessed day!
Hello. Yep, we are south of Tyler. The black spanish grapes grew well. They are already far down the wires. The red flame seedless died. I am not sure what happened to it. It was cared for the same as the other ones. I don't expect any fruit this year but I could be surprised. There are vineyards in this area that do incredibly well with grapes (Kiepersol). I do grow muscadines (Carlos and Fry) they have tough skin and a lot of seeds but we don't mind. Most muscadines are like that. You have to not think of them as a grape but a fruit. I did a video where I made muscadine jam.
A heads up on the trellis. I made a mistake in my calculations. The bottom of the support wire should go to an anchor in the ground about 8 inches away from the post.
Have a wonderful day!
@@CountryLivingExperience think of it as a fruit and not a grape…I like that. Perspective is everything. Thank you for your input on the grapes and trellis it will be helpful going forward. Almost moved to your area but the tornadoes in Canton in 2017 made us choose Temple instead. Love that area though! ~blessings
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Any updated pictures and changes you would have made now that you have had it up for 3 years?
Goodday sir. I want my plants in pots,what size and kind of pots should I use?
I pressume that in future I have to keep the roots in check by prunning it and replant the grapes
so to speak. The size of the pot any influence on the size of the grapes?
Thank you Cobus🐳
Hello. I have never tried to grow them in pots so I am unsure. Sorry.
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Great informative instruction!👍. Been needing to do this with my grapes for years. Looks like I’ll have to move the plants quite a but since I have three each in two rows spaced about 8’ apart. Since I’m in a frost zone, I wonder if I would need to get 10’ posts and put them 4’ in the ground? Just hope they’re available in that length.
Thanks. Yea, I would do the 10" posts. You should be able to find them pretty easily.
Like the way you stretch 9 wire to 10. I want to learn that trick.
Complain to Tractor Supply that is selling it as 10 then.
Great idea!!!
I have a grape vine which I planted 3 years ago connected to an Arc type of Entrance in my garden which is halfway inside the walkway.
Would installing a post about 4 feet away from the Arc's entrance allow it to be guided along the side of the walkway ?
Thanks for sharing!
The nice thing about grapes is that you can train them to do almost anything you want. If you have more room, I would install several posts. If just a single post, you can put it 10 ft away.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thank you very much! I have a blackberry and young Prune tree about 20 ft apart. I will unearth them and make way for the white grape vine. It is 3 years old but I am sure it will reap wonderful rewards in the near future.
You saved my life trying to figure this one out!
Have a great week ahead.
@@alexpolidoro4126 You're welcome. Have a good week.
@@CountryLivingExperience Dear Country Living. I am ready to start my project. Question: I am using deck blocks which I can insert my 4x4x 8 posts. Would I still need turnbuckles to solidify the posts ? I am starting with 2 posts for now with a 10 ft length in my back yard. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks a million!
@@alexpolidoro4126 It all depends on how deep you sink those posts. The advantage of having the turnbuckles is that the wire will stretch over time and you will be able to tighten it.
Do I need a turnbuckle at the end of each post
Would you need the anchors if you used concrete in your post holes?
It will depend on your soil. I have extremely sandy soil so I would still need them. Also look at the pinned comment. I made a mistake.
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I put in my post and now I'm trying to find 10 or 12 ga wire that is continuous. where did you get your wire, and if not all one piece how to you connect it securely??
They have big rolls of the wire at Tractor Supply
I tried there first, but they only have 14 gauge in big spools. Have you ever thought of using a termination knot on the 2 middle wires instead of the eye hook?/ what type of knot did you use to finish the 2 middle wires?? Thanks for your help :)
@@ydelsanto I just used a wire clamp to hold all the wires. No knots.
@@CountryLivingExperience what size wire clamps?
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Where did you get that style wire clamp?
Just found it at my local hardware store.
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Notice that you only pulled the cordon wire hand tight, so I was trying to determine if the low wire and the top wire are one length such that the turnbuckle would tighten both wires. A diagram of the wire routing would be helpful. Also, looks like the far end post is bowing to the wire strain. Last question... solid wire or braided cable and what gauge/diameter do you recommend?
The lower and top wires are different lengths. The top wire is much longer because it goes over that brace and then down to the bottom of the post. The post is leaning a bit because I rushed to set it for the video and didn't tamp it in fully. That is solid 10 ga. steel wire. Hope that helps.
Great Video. Any hints on installing a trellis on mature grape vines already in place? The grape vines are currently held up by some metal poles with wires and string. I want to replace that system with a new trellis as you have shown, but I need to do it in a way that I don't wreck the existing grape vines. Plus I need to get them to attach to the new wires after the new trellis is built.
Thank you. Just prune them back as much as you possibly can. Support them with some temporary structure while you build the new trellis around them. You will have to attach them with some sort of gardeners tape to the new wire.
This is a great video. Question: It looks like the catch wires have a lot of slack in them, would it be good to have them tighter, as they will stretch over time?
Thank you. Yes, they have some slack and need to be periodically tightened if your posts move or if they stretch.
Can you concrete the poles in lieu of the anchor tube bar for support on the poles?
That would be a different way of anchoring them, yes.
Definitely could have used a bag of concrete in the end post holes, to help out that lean, especially over time as it will definitely get worse.
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What kind of wire did you use? Thanks
10 gauge fencing wire
I was hoping to see both ends of the trellis but it cuts off. Do I need a pipe on each side for strengthening? And I could only find 14 guage wire. Will that work?
Yes, the pipe is on each side. 10 gauge is best. You can find it at Tractor Supply.
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must be a pretty good wood for post? what is that?
here, we often put used oil and plastic on the end part
This is pressure treated wood. Made with a copper sulfate solution under pressure. Sometimes I put used motor oil on them as well.
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Question...
How are you running the rows.
East to west or north to south?
You’re welcome. East to West.
What gauge of wire are you using?
12 gauge
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Do this have part 2 video?
No
What is the reason for the second wire at 8-inches
Those are guide/catch wires. They help support the fruiting shoots as the come up out of the arm.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thank you very much, now I can complete my trellis. God bless you as you are a blessing to many.
Hi, curious why you are suggesting not to use concrete in the holes. Thx
Some of your posts look crooked and wiggle. Won't those posts get worse over the years? I'm thinking when i put them in, I want them to last, sorry, unless I'm missing something. Not trying to offend. Also our winter's freeze / thaw could cause the posts to move. Getting ready to put a system together this spring. Thx for any help.
You can use concrete. I accidentally tried to tighten it with my tractor bucket and pulled the posts inward a bit. Additionally, I miscalculated the pullout position on the eye bolt. It should be in the ground about 6" away from the post.
@@CountryLivingExperience got it. Ok thank you very muck. I put in 8 Cab Franc vines a few years ago and am ready to get this trellis built. 👍
I inherited a property with a rambling giant grape arbor. A spaghetti mess. I am cutting it back now that it is dormant to about 5 ft high. There are trunks 6 inches in diameter but they were never trained to go up! Just wherever they wanted to go. I think the previous owners were trying to get the vines to grow over an elaborate wire roof for shade. I just want it to be an ordinary grape arbor and to produce grapes. There were some grapes this past summer that the birds got. They were the color of Thompson seedless. I would really appreciate some advice.
Just prune them back heavily toward the trunk and leave 2 arms (or cordons). Then train the new shoots to your desired shape when they bud out next year.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thank you SO much for responding! What if I don't have 2 arms (cordons)? i.e. to prune back to? What if I have to leave a "stump" about 5 ft tall that has a flat top? Will new shoots grow out of the tops of the trunks? I only have a couple trunks that have cordons. I wish I could post a picture.
New shoots should come out of the top of the trunk. Use those to create your new cordons for that particular plant.
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It's been about a year, how is the pipe at the end post holding up? Is it leaning?
It leaned. I miscalculated the forces. The pipe is fine but I moved the wire to a large ground screw about 8 inches away from the post.
Do you know what this post support system is called? Where you triangle back to the same post? I can't find any other references to this system and am wondering how structurally sound it is? Can this be scaled up for an apple trellis for example? I really like the simplicity.
Not sure what it is called. I'm an Architect and understand structural engineering. I saw this system used on telephone poles to transfer loads in tight spaces. Just make sure the post is in the ground a good distance. Mine are a bit shallow.
@@CountryLivingExperience Simply googling "pole guying" images will show various methods of using a guy wire to counter the horizontal forces on a pole, NONE of which anchor the guy wire to the pole itself, but always to some form of buried dead man or other anchor.
@@denniskuzara5568 True, anchoring the wire to the bottom of the post will do nothing vs. simply attaching to the top.
@@CountryLivingExperience Anchoring to the end pole itself should be a last resort as it will not always work very well. I suggest using a push brace on the inside of the end pole.,
I am copying a trellis like yours and is just wondering why second wires are so closs to the first ones.
Should I cut the top out of the main stalk after it reaches 42 inches and has those 2 cordons inorder to force them to grow outward instead of the vine upwards
Yes, correct.
I am very confused as to how I string the grape vine on this 4 row trellis. How many laterals should I have & what are all the wires for? Please include pictures or a video would help.
Only 2 laterals, 1 trunk. The two laterals are on the lower wire. 1 in each direction. The top wire is to attach the end of the shoots. The middle wires are catch wires so that those shoots are contained in the center of the trellis in the vertical direction.
I cut them off lower & thought I had to have 2 laterals higher. Can I cut those off & will I eventually grow more laterals lower so I can start fresh(right)? Ugh.
You can always start fresh with younger grape vines.
I noticed your pipe supports on the ends, one is at the 42" height (even with the lowest wire), but on the other post it appears that this pipe is much lower. Is there an optimal distance above ground this pipe should be? Thanks!
I actually made a mistake in my structural calculation but have not updated the video. The bottom wire coming down from the brace needs to connect to a "deadman" near the base of the post. A screw-in helical pier of some sort....$20 at the hardware store. Other than that, the height should be even with that lower wire.
@@CountryLivingExperience Ah, thank you for this! Just getting ready to build this today. Maybe an anchor like this one? www.amazon.com/Orange-Screw-Ultimate-Ground-Anchor/dp/B01D3UIA5A/ref=asc_df_B01D3UIA5A/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167119746601&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12823100526704968207&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032282&hvtargid=pla-307839372670&psc=1
Those won't be strong enough to hold that wire and eventual vines. You need something heavy duty and wide like this....amzn.to/2SgQOMY
You made structural calculations? YGBKM@@CountryLivingExperience
@@JRYates Just look at the rated load on the anchor and compare it to the tension load on the wire. Remember that the bending moment of the post will take some of that load off the anchor. Also, use steel T posts between the wooden posts as they are cheaper, easier to install, wire is fastened with clips and they only are supporting a vertical load; besides, with a T post between each grape there is no need to put a lot of tension on the wire as the T post is doing the support.
What type wire is that, I bought some 9 gauge galvanized wire today at Lowes and it is very stiff why is your wire somewhat limber
It is a 10 guage wire from Tractor Supply Company.
greetings sir; hear ye me: no matter what you put in the hole, dirt/concrete/seashells/dead martians, etc., your firmness is totally dependent on the undisturbed dirt around the hole. there are two simple things you can do to effect rigidity of the post. 1) dig your hole on a slant away from the object or direction of your strain. insert your mast or pole and this will allow the top to press against the undisturbed dirt and the bottom will also, leaving the pole perfectly plum. 2) fill your hole with pea gravel after insertion of the mast or pole, then tap the pole on opposite sides with two hammers and this will let the pea gravel settle to compaction around the pole. doing this will prevent ground level rot and allow the pole to be removed easy if you decide to later. btw, you will not need to brace or guy the pole either.......................g
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I’m not seeing how you keep the lower cordon wire tight?
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What kind of wire is that?
10 gauge fencing wire from Tractor Supply
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Do you need to use a thimble with that clamp?
No. It is not braided wire so it's not necessary.
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2 Questions: would you use 5mm(1/4in) or 10mm(1/2in) turnbuckles?
I'm planning to only have 2 posts 3 metres apart and have 2 plants between. Would you put the posts in on a slight angle with the top of the posts leaning away from the plants to allow for any movement from tensioning the wires?
Thank you.
It depends on how thick your wire is. The heavier the wire, the bigger the turnbuckle you would need. I did make a slight mistake on the project and miscalculated. All wires should tie to a ground anchor about 8" away from the bottom of the post. If you do that, you do not need to lean the posts at all.
Can we get a follow up video. I curious to see if they are leaning in once tightened down. I know it was setup to prevent this but in my mind I would think the tops of the pole would still bow inward when pressure is applied. It looked like they was leaning inward in at the end of video but could have been the angle.
It leaned slightly because I didn't tamp down the post completely as I was rushing to finish the video.
Oh, to have a tractor with a post hole digger in this NC red clay.
It sure helps. The red clay here is brutal. I borrowed the hole digger from my neighbor.
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The wires,are they tightened? If so,how. Cobus🐳
I showed that. Tighten with the turnbuckles.
@@CountryLivingExperience sorry my mistake👀🐋
wouldn't it be easier to just drill two small holes through each post ( 3" apart)for the catch wires, eliminating the need for the u shaped nails ?
No. The post is not wide enough. The catch wires need to be on the outside of the post.
Can you sell to me two of the pipe braces?
You can easily make them yourself.
Thank-you
Don't i need concrete
It really depends on your soil. You can use concrete for sure.
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Ron Paul is Rand's father. Was a politician as well. I think he spelled correctly.
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you didn' t give the length of pipe you used on your grape trellis
Whats the length of the pipe
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..... seems a bit redundant putting so much effort into an elaborate tensioning system and then not anchoring the outside poles -- should sink them below the frostline and set in concrete.
That’s not “either” side. It’s both sides.
Thanks grammar policeman.
That’s too much