Is 2023 Lexus NX 350h Worth More than $10K over 2022 Rav4 Hybrid? I Thought Toyota Would Be No Match
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2023
- In this Comparison Between 2023 Lexus NX 350h and 2022 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid I answered the most important question - Which Car is Better All Around. The answer might surprise you.
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Toyota RAV4 is a great car but Lexus NX is a level above Toyota. Buy Lexus if your bank account allows.
I would say depends what you need them for. As my 2nd car for traveling and cruising on highways I would take Toyota and also save money. As a primary vehicle I would take Lexus as it is more stylish, more upscale and I liked it driving in the city with faster steering and slightly faster acceleration
I'm driving xse 2021 rav4 and it's great. Great savings, speed is definetly adequate. But highway.... The thin pain makes me really regret not getting protection... And also super loud on the highway... Jbl does help with that, but damn do you have to crank that sucker up
@@Lion-hj7ch I have the same car the road noise on the highway is horrible sounds like the windows are cracked open
I test drove a rav4 hybrid and chose the 2022 nx 350h and the interior, infotainment system and quiet ride overall is well worth it and glad I have it. The NX also has a more powerful electric motor hence 239h
Thanks for the feedback.
Certainly it's a preference. Spending more than 100 miles in both cars I can say that if luxury is the main attribute then Lexus certainly wins as materials are way nicer than Rav4. Also Rav4 exterior/interior looks are more controversial, so many people will not like the styling of Rav4. Ride wise Lexus feels a bit firmer and more responsive, Rav4 is more of a calm cruiser.
Premium fuel on the NX350h -- no thanks.
@@patrickcotter5629 that make venza even better than NX350H
@@patrickcotter5629 nx 350h can use 87 octane
@@william6765 But it's not the recommended octane per the manual.
Drove both of these. Bought the Lexus. Lexus dealer experience and service is worth paying more.
Nice. Lexus certainly provides more upscale experience overall
Very informative video. Better than some of the ones with 50000 subscribers.
Thanks for your feedback.
Great review
Thank you
I thought the seats in the Rav4 were horrible and noise on the highway was horrendous. Definitely look around if seat comfort and quietness is a priority. Camry is much nicer for less money!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I found seats in Rav4 to be on the firm side, however they felt supportive, so yes if you want plush comfortable seats then Rav4 would not be the right choice. I had Camrys for 10 years, they are great cars, but Rav4 could be more practical to many people especially in snow. Also I started liking crossovers because of their height it’s simply easier to move around town. Again the choice would be to anyone’s taste and preference
Never care about the high way noise. Definitely choose RAV4. But I admit NX is more premium driving experience as thicker sound isolation layer equipped and stylish outlooking .
Thanks for the feedback. From my observation highway noise was about the same, in fact NX felt like had more noise from tires due to Run Flats. To my surprise both cars drive completely different and it totally comes down to the preference.
Both vehicles are quality built. My son owns a Rav4 and a Tacoma. I never owned a Toyota product and did a lot of research on the web. I decided to go with the NX 350H and it's clearly a far more luxurious design. The Rav4 has the infotainment center sticking out of the dash which is old school. On the Lexus, I went with the 14 inch screen - built into the dash - and the heads-up display. The power is smooth, and there are a lot of other features too numerous to mention. I didn't price the Rav4, but the NX350H I bought was $50,600.
NX 350H is an excellent choice. Congrats! One thing I see in Lexus is value for the money. You get good reliability, very well built materials and a smooth ride.
I have the same trim NX as you do. I would say it’s worth 15,000 more than the RAV 4. The interior in the RAV 4 looks cheap. It’s a great vehicle in terms of being well build and reliability but wow that interior is so bad
Lexus Hands Down More Quality.
Suggestion.. when you are doing a sound test on the door closing or motor, try to give us enough silence so we can hear the sound.
Good suggestion. Will note that. Thanks for the feedback
I live in california, rev4 hybrid has incredible markup around 5-10k, while nx 350h has no markup. Probably will go for nx 350h if the otd prices are similar
Do they still have the markup? I didn't get the markup, i put in a 500 dollar deposit.
@@the_DOS may I know which county did you get the car without markup?
It depends dealer to dealer. I live in Los Angeles but most of my cars I bought 50-70 miles away from LA where I found what I wanted. Toyota is low on inventory, but you have to shop within 100+ miles range to find one without a markup
@@vallwesture i got mine at longo Toyota in Los Angeles. There is a 500 deposit and i got mine in 6 months. No markups.
@@the_DOS longo Toyota is a great dealership. I’ve also heard they don’t charge a markup. They are one of the largest Toyota and Lexus dealership.
Personally, I like the suspension on the Lexus for city driving. The Rav 4 has more suspension travel and you can really tell in the body roll on the corners which I do t like. If your planing any real off-roading, I’d definitely get the Rav but for me, the Lexus suites me better for the occasional dirt road to trailheads.
4Runner or GX would be best for real off-roading
Thanks for sharing!
GX and 4runner are on a real truck platform, so those are real beasts
the nx is made for a trip to drive to the grocery store in a suburbs or city, it’s not designed for people going off road Imo
@@Tendertroll1 I would say mostly just to go off pavement sometines or in mild snow but no real off-roading. NX is a city/highway type of a car
I've seen so many Rav4 owners claim the ride is uncomfortable and noisy. But not true with the 2023 Rav4 XSE Hybrid, which I picked up a few weeks ago. It's surprisingly comfortable, quiet, and the 10.5" infotainment screen is miles better than previous year's hideous 8" or lesser screen size (A real reason why I didn't buy it sooner). Only downside to the NX350h is it has a mediocre JBL sound system, not Mark Levinson. Few biggest reasons for choosing Rav4 are it has spare tire(A must for me as I enjoy long road trips. Can't take my chances with 50mile range run flats out in nowhere), more aftermarket accessories(I enjoy modding), cheaper to maintain than Lexus(I know this because I switched from Lexus IS350). Uses same Toyota parts and work but Lexus magically charges almost double. For that reason, they can give you a loaner car and snacks for free(with your money). Lol. Anyhow, beyond satisfied with 36 to 55mpg (Yes, hit 55 three times without pissing off other drivers. =b
Buy whichever you want if you can afford either, or change cars every few years. Buy Rav4 if you are like me who keeps the same cars for more than 10+ years. Btw, I still own 300K+ mile old Tacoma DC Sport 4x4, which I bought it brand new back in 2007 for $26K before taxes and fees.
Maybe people refer to non hybrid model. Hybrid I did find very comfortable and pleasant to drive. Toyota greatly improved their driving dynamics. Lexus just feels more upscale and firmer
Yes, it is 👍
Yes, it’s worth it (if it’s a Luxury or F-Sport S/Handling variant).
Thanks for your reply. Yes certainly Lexus provides a Luxury experience and good quality. Unfortunately it's still not a driver's car. I am curious to test drive RX500H F Sport and see how much they improved driving dynamics. We'll see
I live in Canada. Wait list for a RAV4 Hybrid is 2 years and used ones are selling $5-7k over MSRP, if you can find one. Wait list for an NX 350h was 10 months. So I ordered the Lexus.
Wow. Here in California at least Totota/Lexus are also in very low inventory, well depends on what model you are looking for. Hopefully this chip shortage gets sorted out soon
Everybody is make the high tech car! Can you imagine if you new fancy car have a chip malfunction. Wait until you need to wait for months or years to fix it?
@@micll3229What would cause the chip to malfunction?
In Croatia EU, U even cant have Rav4 with this infotainment, specially in PRIME. But Lexus is also more premium
have you test driven the NX 450 H+ plugin hybrid? If you have did you have the same issue with the suspension? I think part of the problem with the lexus is actually the runflat tires. Lexus has received strong criticism for fitting them as standard because they degrade ride quality/comfort, they create additional road noise, and they are expensive to replace.
No haven’t driven the plugin NX yet. I really don’t like this run flat tire scheme across all auto makers. I will be changing out run flats on our X3 in few months and will share feedback on how really different it is wifh the regular tires
@@100miledrive In fairness to runflat tires they seem to be evolving positively when you equate them to normal tires and I will post a youtube link at the end of this comment that qualifies that statement. HOWEVER.... I have given this a lot of thought and I don't think a compelling argument can actually be made for the existence of runflat tires. Hear me out. The ONLY 2 reasons that runflat tires currently exist are:
1) to allow manufacturers to legally be able to meet regulation safety requirements without needing to fit a spare tire as standard thus saving manufacturers a ton of money and
2) in the event of a puncture the driver can make it "safely" to the nearest tire repair shop.
The thing is (and the linked youtube video below will support my claim) Runflat tires don't AVOID the actual loss of tire pressure in case of a puncture. Ultimately the pinnacle of tire safety technology would be a system that eliminates tire pressure losses EVEN if a puncture was to occur. Runflat tires cannot do this... BUT sealant tires actually can. Some would say that depending on the degree of structural damage to the tire that resulted in the deflation event, a sealant tire may experience a catastrophic failure that the runflat tire might have survived but I don't share this opinion. In 90% of cases a sealant tire will be the safer and more convenient tire to fit as standard simply due to the fact that unless the sidewall of the tire is penetrated it will not deflate or lose any pressure whatsoever.
In the rare circumstance that the sidewall sustains enough damage to cause complete deflation of the tire there is an extremely high likelihood that the runflat technology would not be particularly helpful since this type of damage usually involves a cracked or bent rim and would require some form of roadside assistance anyway. I think if the automotive industry really thought about it runflat tires would cease to exist. (see youtube link below)
ruclips.net/video/sTRn1E1uF6c/видео.html
Thanks a lot for this amazing run down on the tires and the link to the video. It is very well explained on the difference. I wonder if new cars already fitted with Gen 4 run flats, probably not yet.
I think I am Ok with most cars have run flats except for the performance vehicles unless we see Gen5 and Gen6 of run flats that have absolutely no disadvantage to the regular tires even at higher speeds, in that case regular tires will cease to exist.
Definitely good point of view, I can’t wait to switch my tires on my 350 NX I hope it makes a Difference. But I be honest those run flat tires grip them corners very well, combined with the F sport suspension it does a great performance.
Geeze that’s a tough one 🤔
Terrible busy CVT noise at starting and acceleration! Better, much better insulation (floor+door+underhood+and firewall) should help. Why don’t they DO it? Same goes for the Forester!
Yep, this is exactly what is happening: CVT in luxury cars kills luxury experience, same goes for poor sound insulation. Will be reviewing 2023 RX 350 soon. Curious how different it is compare to NX. Make sure to subscribe not to miss the video
Are those streaks on the windshield (RAV4) from reflection of the shiny strips on the dash?
Windshield is not very clean. It was raining every day, mostly marks from the wipers.
I really like your reviews! Good info with lots of details!👍
Thanks for your kind words. More video reviews on the way
The reflection is very bad. I have the rav4 and when i first got the car that's what i noticed. You can black it out using specifically made tape for the rav4
How road noise during small streets driving 20-45 mph
Thanks
Overall road noise is not excessive. I just wish it was more of a quite cabin, at smaller speeds it will be even less noticeable. Also sound insulation is something many people are not even bothered by at all. So, if you can rent it for 1 day and explore
I have one 350h and agreed on everything you said. The suspension feedback is too much.
thanks for the feedback. I was also hoping NX to have smoother damping on the bumps. I am curious now how new RX suspension is.
@@100miledrive I wonder the same thing
Because NX air suspension
I give you the smooth part comparison is truth the NX 350 you can feel every bump is definitely disappointing.
Yes, I was hoping it would absorb bumps better. Thanks for your feedback
@@100miledrive without a doubt, thank you
On the plus side, the Lexus corners with much more confidence and almost no body roll compared to the Rav 4 which is more tuned for off-road. I preferred the Lexus suspension myself.
Their both beautiful SUV’s. I would prefer the RAV4 instead of the NX for myself. It looks more rugged and the ride feels smoother like you mentioned.
Yes Rav4 offers a smoother ride. Both are totally different cars. Both will have their own buyers based on how they care about their social status and what is the purpose of getting one for
Maybe run flat tires on NX makes ride more harsh.
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My biggest question is handling. Was there a difference in the feeling when making turns between these 2 cars? I dislike cars that refuse to want to make a turn and only want to move straight haha
They handle a bit different with Lexus having a bit better handling characteristics, but neither handle satisfactory. Lexus RX350 being a bigger car handles better in terms of how it carries it’s weight through the corners. Another better handling car in the same class as RAV4 Hybrid is New 2023/2024 Honda CRV Hybrid, you can watch that video on the channel. It is a much better driving car in my opnion
thank you so much for your response! I guess i am still asking for too much from this world to have a DECENT handling suv (like an x3) but reliable and fuel efficient like a modern Lexus@@100miledrive
“How does the door sound”… proceeds to talk over each time closing door so we can’t hear it at all
sorry, yes noted this
@@100miledrive thank you for responding
What is the cost difference between the PAV4, NX & RX450h?
Hi there. Thanks for stopping by. I believe you meant NX450h. It is far more expansive than NX350h. NX450h around $57K vs NX350h around 41K. Rav4 Hybrid will be around $32K and up. I will consider reviewing NX450h as many suggested it drives better than NX350h
I test drove the 2020 Rav4 Hybrid and found it so boring to drive. I wonder if the 2022 Rav4 Hybrid has been updated.
Overall Toyotas have been tuned more for comfort. After driving 2022 Rav4 Hybrid I can say it is very smooth, better balanced in terms of steering and suspension than before but far from fun to drive.
@@100miledrive So you're saying that the Rav4 Hybrid is not fun to drive correct?
Its the run flat tires. If you change lexus to regular tires it fixes that issue
Looks like, yes. Run-flats should not be used on this car. They put regular tires on RX, but decided to use run-flats on NX
Sounds like most of your complaints with the Lexus may be caused by the car's large diameter, low profile sport tires.
There were 2 major things i didn’t like about NX350h. 1 is run-flat tires really don’t go well with this car, it doesn’t feel like Lexus over road mperfections, quite bumpy. 2. The way it leans in the corners doesn’t feel good. New RX far excells compare to NX with really better more stable platform and very pleasant premium feel when driving on bad roads.
The Lexus has run flats which is why you feel more of the bumps and your have more tire noise vs the Rav4.
Thanks for your comments. Yes that was the case with NX 350h. It's run-flats. Didn't immediately notice that. It was quite surprising for Lexus not to be that comfortable as I expected.
I wish Toyota would put the more powerful hybrid motor in the RAV4 and Venza!
I think we will see this in the future either in form of plugin hybrids or simply bigger electric motor with bigger batteries unless everything just goes directly to electric which is happening faster than I anticipated
What about size comparison?
In terms of the size comparison: Rav4 is a larger vehicle not only on paper but also in real life. I am 6’2 and me and my wife felt NX was a little small for us, but Rav4 felt like a good size for a crossover. Rav4 certainly has more space in rear seats and larger trunk.
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I think NX has run flat tires. Probably why it is more stiff and noisy. Hopefully after 30 K you can install normal tires and Lexus will become more soft and quiet.
Yes, NX 350h had run-flat tires, that I believe contributed to the ride quality. Regular tires for sure would make this car ride much better.
Why not compare the same year?
2022 model what was available. Either way 2023 model is exactly the same, therefore driving dynamics would remain the same
No comparison as the Lexus has a Much MUCH quieter ride. Screen and stereo are light years ahead
Hi there, thanks for the feedback. Are you comparing both NX350h and Rav4 hybrid? I can’t speak for non hybrid NX or plugin NX, I heard plugin is way better. Well, my observation was based on driving both cars almost back to back and the conclusion was that NX350h had tire noise mainly because of run flats and bumpier ride, which was very susprising. Toyota certainly lags behind with it’s screen and especially quality materials but it offers a calmer smoother ride. You need to drive them side by side to experience this. NX also has better more direct steering. Again this was my observation and perception of both cars, yours might be different.
Ride quality may be attributed to the run flat tires and different wheel size of the Lexus.
Thanks for your feedback. This has standard smaller wheels. I would be curious to see this car on the regular tires. Also I am curious how much run flats are louder than regular tires. This is one test I will do on my channel.
@@100miledrive That would be a great test!! Thanks for the very informative driving impressions.
How is seats of rav4? It’s really uncomfortable design, sides making pressure points, even after few miles ride and I’m not comparing it to Lexus. Old Prius has better seats
From my observation seats in Rav4 are slightly firm, not plush, but it didn't bother me and we took this car on a long trip, however I can see how someone can find an issue especially if you have more sensitive back. In Lexus seats are of course way more comfortable and will cater to most people.
@@100miledrive I’m ok with more firm seats. The sides pushing too much. And I’m average size
@@agpawpaw5912 ok I see
Rav 4 wins
Great vehicles but Lexus and Toyota’s quality has gone down considerably, my family drive toyota and Lexus,we have all had problems with our cars. Some covered under warranty others have not. They don’t make the cars like they did in the last
Hmm Ok. Thanks for the feedback. I do hear some bad experiences from time to time but mostly good ones especially with Lexus. They certainly improved driving dynamics, I had 3 camrys during my college days and all felt loose and wobly, but now I am pleased to see they’ve become much better vehicles to drive. Material quality is Ok in Toyota, but better in Lexus, in fact Lexus is better than my BMW X3.
@@100miledrive I’ve actually ironically had more issues with my Lexus vehicles. They weren’t simple fixed, but major problems that the dealer had trouble fixing right, so i ended up turning both in when my lease was up and I didn’t end up purchasing. I just lease now in case I have problems. I think I will try getting a Tesla next time and will see how that goes because Maybe I just have bad luck with toyota and Lexus
@@Tendertroll1 hmm OK yes some bad luck I guess. Teslas are also hit or miss. Some have a ton of issues and some love them a lot.
Why do you compare a 2023 car to an older 2022 car? The Rav4 2023 should be in this video imo.
Hi there. This is what was available to me, 2022 Rav4 Hybrid. Quite frankly nothing changed in Rav4 even in 2023, except for some new additional exterior colors.
What is quitter?
Toyota felt slightly quetter mostly because of regular tires versus Lexus having Run Flats
I notice the lexus sounds quieter
Hmm.. Maybe if NX350h is on regular tires. My tester had road noise from run-flats. It's not overly excessive but was there. To me Rav4 felt smoother car. But I would love to see NX350h on regular tires and that could be a game changer.
RAV 4 interior is terrible. My wife has a new Camary and the “infotainment” system looks like crap. Rides great and will last forever but Toyota needs to do a better job on their interiors. They could do this and still keep the costs for down I think. If your finances only allow for the RAV 4 then you will get a great vehicle but man that interior just like the Camary blows.
Thanks for the feedback. I hear you. Even my Rav4 rental had already some small visible scratches. Toyota really keeps things according to the price tiers (well most automakers do). Highlander has slightly better materials than Rav4. And of course Lexus has better materials than Toyota. Well, Honda upped their game with new CRV Hybrid and better materials, hoping Toyota will do too in the future.
i see rav4s driving around every 5 minutes, i rather have something that far less people have
Yes, Rav4 is super popular car. I would say as long as you love what you drive, rest doesn't matter :) You can watch a video I made on new Honda CRV Hybrid. I mentioned there Rav4 as well. That was a surprisingly good car to drive. Thanks for stopping by
I'd rather buy a Venza Limited.
This is one car I am interested to review as well
it's not 10 grand from a Ltd Rav 4 to an NX350H
It really depends what trims you are comparing. This was approximate figure. Rav4 Hybrid XLE Premium I saw for around $34-35K and NX350h Premium around $44-46k. If you compare rav4 hybrid Limited then you should also option out NX350h with all the top options which will cost around $50K
@@100miledrive no, not even close. 1500 add on package for the NX350H gives you the same as Ltd Rav 4 plus power drivers position. You can't even get that on a Rav 4.
@13:22 this man had no patience and uses the gas station to make his right turn. smh
Thanks for stopping by. I wanted to experience how Rav4 rocks side to side and how it’s chassis responds, it’s hard to find such places in the city and gas station is a perfect place to experience that due to higher grounds. Since I got few negative reviews about this I stopped doing this.
No no rav4
Rav 4 looks better
You are on crack. The RAV4 is absolutely everywhere. This is getting out of hand. It’s a completely different class and you can notice it right away in person.
from a birds eye view? lol
They are both too expensive.
I think right now all cars are expensive. I bought my first 2004 Camry for 19K. And now base Camry is like $26K although it has a lot more tech in it. Also unless you are paying cash, interest rates are around 6% on average which is mind boggling.
The Rav4 has the ugliest wheel arch design.
yeah Rav4 in general has very controversial design. But to properly assess it, good to spend a day with it. My wife never liked the looks of it, but said we could have this as a 2nd car for road trips
Agree about the awful wheel arch design.
What the hell driving was that at 13:25. You cut through a private business to do a right turn. And you did a number of rolling stops. Need to work on your driving I think.
Your negativity on the Lexus is weird. It’s a vastly superior vehicle in every regard. Can’t believe you actually said the Lexus is louder. The RAV is one of the noisiest SUVs, the Lexus is one of the quietest. Are you drunk 😂
My driving experience of both the Lexus and Rav4 was based on spending the time with both cars on 3 different terrains and driving them for more than 100 miles each. The conclusion was that NX350h has tire noise, mostly due to run flats and NX350h has bumpier ride overall, again partly due to run flats and also suspension tuning. Rav4 certainly lacks the quality materials of the Lexus but does feel a smoother car to drive. This is all based on my experience driving both cars almost back to back and observation. Your perception of driving experience for both cars might be different. You are more than welcome to share some details.