Fixed setups is so important for new people or people who just wanna have a fair race without needing to learn how to setup cars. This is the most important feature that's missing in ACC atm.
The BMW M4 GT3 irl also has a different wing mounting just for the nords, that is 100mm further ahead of the SRO mounting point. The rules allow teams to run a smaller wing, or mount it up to 100mm further ahead. In case this is not an option, teams are forced to run much lower rear wing settings.
I think alot of people or esport people or whatever.. are spoiled by those sometimes strange setups.. and from there the misconception come that acc has a problem with the suspension and so on... a bit like nils said somewhere in the middle of the video... in my experience acc never had a problem with "realistic" setups or higher rideheights... acc always did that quite well and even better in 1.9 now... however the problem is more the "unrealistic setups" and sometimes a driving style that shouldn't be as quick as it is by some (maybe not so much the esport guys but the tier below it) is not punished enough. that's why so many people run this stranger setups and some maybe even drive with a bit less finess and are still very fast with it... and with this, while it works most of the time.. it might get at times some strange handling (as it should be I think.. indeed I think with some of those setups the handling should be even more strange) .... I had multiple times where I drove a very high but a bit softer setup (for example on oulton to eat the kerbs) .. and it drove very good. Indeed from a driving experience it felt alot more fun.. it might be not as fast as those super low setups.. but felt alot more natural and comfortable to drive... So stuff were acc is not pushed out of some boundaries with a bit more realistic approach was always quite good in acc.. the thing is that "unrealistic" approaches weren't punished enough... the development got somehow strange... they try to get it more realistic and they accomplish that... for example 1.9 feels like you can drive with more finess and have a more detailed way how the car response making modulating inputs to the situation more rewarding and so on... but at the sametime.. people are also getting away with driving with a more blunt style of driving better then in the past (for example 1.7)... that problem also seems to be quite gt3 specific ... because cars like the m2 cup or porsche cup realy need a very finessed way to drive it fast.. balancing it to keep the limit high and balancing it on that limit... were in gt3s I see people just mashing the pedals and are still quite fast with that approach... with what you would be miles of in those other cars... I think it is a combination of the electronics and the aero... I think the electronics got too good... (maybe they are that good in reallife... but I see sometimes people trail braking with alot of brakepressure without modulating it down to the apex and then just stomp on the throttle exiting the turn.. and are still realy fast with that approach) ... and also the aero seems to be too forgiving in terms of variance.. I think it should be more sensitiv to changes so you actually need to care more about a stable platform... I think that would also help with those "strange" setups... because running super low with also very soft suspension should result in a very strong changing aero plattform.. maybe should also stall the underbody flow at occasions.. I think usually when running very low a stiffer suspension should be benificial even more so if it is a bit bumpy (which then needs damper tuning).. on super smooth tracks you might get away with softer suspension also but I am not an engineer but that is how I thing about aero dynamics and underbody aero flow... well wasn't planning on writing such a book... just wanted to say... driving and setting up the car in a realistic approach always worked in acc and got even better in 1.9 .. the problem is that unrealistic setups and sometimes driving style... should be alot more punishing, rather then actually gaining time through it. that's also a reason why I needed to take a brake from acc.. I realy love the game and physics when it is in a natural enviroment.. but it just feels not rewarding and no point in it, when people are faster with a quite blunt driving approach ( like I said not talking about the aliens/esport guys... those people are just super fast and can drive with alot of finess, they will always be superfast not matter the physic.. it's more about the tier below them) and strange setups no one would run in reallife. I hope ACC finds its way back if they force high rideheights on the nordschleife.. it might actually be realy alot of fun..
Great points! I run in a league or two and I try to use my own setups but almost always I realize I save a lot of time (and maybe gain some speed) by subscribing to a setup service. And I must say, just from a vibe place, since around 1.9 I get a little sad when the settings are just min/maxed. Lowest or highest, zero or full… it just removes some of pleasure. From a curious nerd place though I’d love to know if it was that the physics models loose realistic behaviours at the outer edges of their ranges, or if the game is properly modelling how irl cars would handle these settings…. but are maybe missing something.. like not modelling some durability issues that would negate these otherwise interesting ideas? The closest non-car example I can imagine would be, let’s say, imagine there’s a track and field sim, and you control a human, train them and feed them and exercise them. In this made up scenario, a user could figure out that feeding the human massive quantities of pure sugar instead of any other food gives the sim athlete a huge energy reserve - and it works in-game helping the user win races. Where as, in real life that much sugar would cause digestion issues and likely induce a diabetic collapse killing the athlete… but because the game doesn’t simulate those things, the sugar strat works? Strange idea I know… but I think it illustrates my point: are the issues in ACC stemming from a failure/limitation in the math, or from not simulating a tangential issue that would exist in the real practical world? Or something else? I don’t expect anyone to know the answer aside from Aris or his team, and imagine answering those things might not be in their best interests…but from a personal experience place, I think knowing would bring back some of the interest I seem to be running low on recently. Ps - Fantastic vid, Nils! That pdf comment made me lol but actually, it was super interesting! (Edited for grammar)
I always was under the inpression ACC wouldn't work on Nordschliefe becuase of how broken the suspension physics were. New update mare a very nice change though.
The reason for less TC intervention is the decreased front aero and mechanical grip. If your grip balance shifts towards understeer the rear tires of course don't have to work as much. The lateral grip the rears have to deliver has become lower lower so there is more grip available for longitudinal grip. Conclusion is there is not more grip available, the car has just shifted balance which frees up grip potential for acceleration
In iRacing, the minimum ride heights is also a thing for the Nords 24h, most GT3 setups would run really low wing (Think 2, 1, 0 and in some cases even negative).
Another great Video and thanks for all the work put into it! Cars were running lower than 70mm before the Nissan-Crash and could well do so with about 55mm on the front and around 68-75mm on the rear. It's rather a BoP/Safety thing with the 70mm minimum, I don't think Kunos will atually change anything about the setups at all if they release the Nordschleife for ACC. Afterall, the Sim is not THAT realistic that it would recreate a flip hurting spectators and it certainly hasn't bothered Kunos in all those years that people can run ridiculously unrealistic damper/spring settings. I really hope they will completely re-create the whole suspension simulation and brake feedback for AC2. Would still love to see the Nordschleife on ACC, with SRO running the 24h from 2024 its quite realistic to happen.
that's true, in this case though it might save us as ACCers :) Cause I'm pretty sure we would see cars flipping with unfortunate timing over kerbs and bumps it we get to use very low ride heights
Kudos is working on ACC 2. I don’t think they would dedicate resources to add one more map to ACC. Especially considering all of the efforts it would take to make a massive overhaul to the ACC car suspension, aero dynamics, road physics, etc.
I mean, to be fair, IRL GT4 cars have five individual wheel nuts that must be loosened and tightened for tire changes, but the game still has them use one big central nut like GT3s. Concessions to reality are made everywhere.
I've inhaled most copium one can imagine to say the following: maybe we will get another 2.0 physics update together with Nordschleife, and while they are on it, they can include the Mustang as well :p
@@SimracingPopometer Yeah I'm not sure if it will race in any of the big SRO series though. Iirc only in selected races of the American series, while Dynamic will do a full GTWC Europe program with the Mustang. So I'm not sure if that will be enough for them to include it, IF they decide to do a 2024 Update
Great video as always mate appreciate the way you break down the important details, however if Kunos even thinks about adding this track before they fix the lack of competitive cars to more then 5 it would be a great shame imho. They have failed us massively in that regard for a Sim we all love. I cannot believe that this is for ACC at all but rather AC2. How can Kunos think about giving us this “DLC” with GT2’s maybe & this track would just be yet another slap in the face. 1.9 came out & Kunos has disappeared 👏🏼
Well wouldn't the developers of ACC with the help of the driver update the game with the necessary specs to be able to handle the track. I'm sure they wouldn't just add the track without any kind of updates to the cars to apply to the rules of the track and so on.
no the rules aren't the issue, but if the cars still drove reasonably far away from the usual setups! but guess they still kinda work as far as my test went.
Thanks for this very good video (and I really like your replay footage at the end 👍). The thing with the not so cooperative suspension of ACC is one of the major factors, that led me to drive far more iRacing. No sim is the best, it's more a question which one FEELS best for you... but frankly your video makes me curious if it might be worth to dive into ACC back again and tinker with such more "squishy" setups with a suspension, that actually does what it is supposed to do: mitigate bumps and loss of tyre contact. Because usually standard setups with more softer suspension settings feel like garbage in ACC. But I have to say, I tried your Porsche-Setup from a few weeks (or two months or so) and if I remember correctly your suspension settings on that setup were also more on the "let's let the dampers and springs have more range and let it work more"-side... and I liked it. The only thing I don't like is the shitty (sorry for swearing) FFB in some situations, were you almost feel nothing on your wheel, no matter the FFB settings... which is not the case with any other sims driving the same car on the same tracks. That's why I like your explanations a lot... I'm a techie-guy and know some stuff about physics, but I never really sank my teeth into (race)car specific tech and how to handle physics, so to be frank, I would have a very hard time to build a decent and reasonable car setup if my life would depend on it... but after hearing your explanations I very often go like "aaaahhhh I thought so!" or "now the stuff makes sense to me!". So thank you very much for that!
@@SimracingPopometer Have to clarify one thing: with "shitty FFB in some situations" I wasn't referring your setup, but the overall behaviour of the ACC FFB with some cars. I think you got me right there, but just to clarify for other people who might read this 🙈😂
I think maybe you're thinking about it too much, you won't want low ride height and you'll want softer suspension, nothing irl needs to be exactly replicated to the exact MM in a sim, if GT7 can do it then I'm sure ACC won't have any issues.
If it's a serious sim it does need to be replicated to half a mm. And gt7's suspension is like a toy compared to acc. Either way now that we have the track the suspension feels good, they really nailed it.
true, though I doubt they want to be the ones finding out why the rule was introduced in the first place. ADAC also enforces "anti lift" electronics to force the front tires on the ground at all times
The Nordschleife is certainly the most beautiful and challenging route on this planet. Nevertheless, I would find tracks like Hockenheimring, Oschersleben, Norisring much more sensible/important for ACC. The Nordschleife is more suitable for long-distance races because, among other things, there are hardly any overtaking opportunities. Who wants to do anything like running nearly an entire race in a row? In my opinion, it simply has to be possible to change position again and again in 25 minutes or 45 minutes. I love the NS, but there are simply too many more limited options than on other circuits, that's my opinion
im not a fan of the nordschleife for these reasons too. great track, but not for actual racing. its you vs. the track rather than you vs. the others. a lot of other great racing tracks would be equally good or better additionas indeed!
Update: ich denke mal du hast es mittlerweile mitbekommen? die NS wird bald in ACC eingebaut...Nils, wir wurden leider nicht erhört🤷♂🙄@@SimracingPopometer
Most of the time it's not the track but rather the general technical regulations of the series, to make sure they are not damaging the track or produce dangerous situations
Hi Nils, soweit ich weiß bist du ja Deutsch und werde dementsprechend hier mein Comment auf Deutsch formulieren. Es gibt da nen bekannten deutschen RUclipsr aus dem deutschen Motorsport-Bereich namens Jan-Erik Slooten aka. Ring Police. Der hat sich mal zur Real Life Setup Thematik auf der Nordschleife geäußert und (ich versuche es mal so genau wie ich mich erinnere wiederzugeben und ne Quelle anzufügen) und das wie folgt beschrieben (für den Porsche 911 GT3R, entweder 991.2 oder 992) "Du fährst raus auf die Grand Prix Strecke und fährst den Koffer erstmal so n bisschen warm und denkst dir dabei was für nen Dreck du eigentlich fährst, weil die Autos untersteuern und so extrem weich sind und genau das Gegenteil vom normalen Setup ist, dann drehst du deine paar Ründchen bis die Temps mal da sind und dann traust du dich mal auf die Nordschleife und auf einmal bist du von "was ein Schrott" bei "mega Geile Karre alter" und das einfach weil der Asphalt und die Gegebenheiten einfach so unterschiedlich sind" Quelle: noch nicht gefunden Edit: ruclips.net/video/59pT4zJwDI8/видео.htmlsi=aZTAbNEV5BX3DAYP&t=212 diese Quelle hab ich mal gefunden da wird das Thema so bisschen angeschnitten von ihm, allerdings hab ich das Original mit der richtigen Formulierung bisher nicht gefunden
@@SimracingPopometer ja das wäre super und da hätt ich auch richtig Bock drauf. Sich über die gesamte Grand Prix Strecke über den "Drecks Karren" aufregen und dann Nordschleife mit Traumwagen fahren xD
Also, is there any chance for a V8 Vantage in depth guide? I've always been just off the front times with it and wanna know what I'm doing wrong to find that extra time! With the new Ferrari and a few others I'm at the front but the Aston is my Baby, and I want to be at the front in it as well!
BOP sadly. most of the time it's just slower no matter what you do. on PC we have the option to make our own bop somewhat. other than that the Aston needs rake. all of it :)
@@SimracingPopometer Okay good to know it's not me. I've been hearing the LFM BoP is somehow usable on consoles but leagues aren't using it yet. Just gotta hope it's better for the Aston & we start implementing it in to the console side soon!
@@SimracingPopometerIt does for folks at your level, but for the more sunday-morning driver guys, like me, going higher is not a bad trade off. I usually do that on tracks that demand chirurgical precision for kerbs, as yes I will lose some raw performance, but overall it gives so much more confidence and consistency that I find it acceptable. And also I mostly drive the Lambo Evo II which anyway is not losing/gaining much on straight... Also your feeling about the TC is not so much due to the higher overall platform of the car, but more due to the fact that your rake angle is lower because of to the rear current maximum limitation.
agree on complliance, confidence, etc. disagree with TC reasoning. We drive similar rake at low ride heights. You need insane amounts of rake changes to get noticable differences in actual weight distribution. another comment already explained it better, but its rather due to the front simply being weaker and not requiring as much lateral grip vom the rear, hence there's more available for longitudinal. More travel on the rear will aid that additionally.
@@nerk1807 if they use the same engine i wouldn't say this but AC2 ran a completely different engine so using same UI is a bit weird don't you think plus AC2 trailer or teaser might come at the end of the year
Here's a thought. Get good. Play with a normal controller instead of an actual racing set up see how you hang. Guarantee none of yall even passed the OG Career in A.C.
@@SimracingPopometer because it's rumored to be released next year. They aren't working on assets for an old game at this point in their development cycle.
@@SimracingPopometerI think the Monza anticut into T1 is the answer. It's taller than any kerbs on the Nords but not by much, if you can't clatter it like in real life to me it's a clear indication that you'll have to avoid kerbs even on the Nordschleife. Moreover, I don't think the problem is the front ride height. The reason why cars explode when they hit tall kerbs is because upon impact the front suspensions compress and extend so fast that the car literally leaps into the air.
@@danielebrambilla2290 I think the issue with low ride heights is that there's too little time for the suspension to absorb the energy and that it somehow keeps oscillating through the system instead
@@SimracingPopometer It's probably right as it's ride height that depends on suspensions and not the other way around. I think the Nords would be drivable but I wouldn't bet on it being actually fun. I'm not in the loop anymore and I frankly don't care at all about ACC specifically, so maybe I'm biased, but I believe it would be a much better move, marketing wise, to just keep the only recent scan of the Nordschleife for AC2.
Intelligent coherent sim racers looking at PDF's , data and telemetry to figure out the best set-up for the Nordschliefe. Slightly mentally challenged wooden head like me gets in the Bentley with safe set-up.
Nils i appreciate all the in-depth videos, they make this stuff understandable for us lesser mere mortals. I really hope Nords comes to ACC, it will be the greatest swan-song final DLC in gaming history.@@SimracingPopometer
you posted unfathomable cringe on twitter and blocked me for pointing out Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actor and will say anything you want if you pay him enough, so this is what you get
Imagine ACC with LFM like ranked built in and fixed setups races. more casual players would have an awesome experience. Specially new people.
Fixed setups is so important for new people or people who just wanna have a fair race without needing to learn how to setup cars. This is the most important feature that's missing in ACC atm.
every good video starts with a pdf
The BMW M4 GT3 irl also has a different wing mounting just for the nords, that is 100mm further ahead of the SRO mounting point. The rules allow teams to run a smaller wing, or mount it up to 100mm further ahead. In case this is not an option, teams are forced to run much lower rear wing settings.
Safe, spongy setups is the way. More slower guys should use those and just enjoy the racing. Crank up your front ARBs and lower your insurance costs
If ACC would simulate suspension damage this would probably even be meta...e.g. try riding your bumpstops in a 24h race ;)
I think alot of people or esport people or whatever.. are spoiled by those sometimes strange setups.. and from there the misconception come that acc has a problem with the suspension and so on... a bit like nils said somewhere in the middle of the video... in my experience acc never had a problem with "realistic" setups or higher rideheights... acc always did that quite well and even better in 1.9 now... however the problem is more the "unrealistic setups" and sometimes a driving style that shouldn't be as quick as it is by some (maybe not so much the esport guys but the tier below it) is not punished enough.
that's why so many people run this stranger setups and some maybe even drive with a bit less finess and are still very fast with it... and with this, while it works most of the time.. it might get at times some strange handling (as it should be I think.. indeed I think with some of those setups the handling should be even more strange) .... I had multiple times where I drove a very high but a bit softer setup (for example on oulton to eat the kerbs) .. and it drove very good. Indeed from a driving experience it felt alot more fun.. it might be not as fast as those super low setups.. but felt alot more natural and comfortable to drive...
So stuff were acc is not pushed out of some boundaries with a bit more realistic approach was always quite good in acc.. the thing is that "unrealistic" approaches weren't punished enough...
the development got somehow strange... they try to get it more realistic and they accomplish that... for example 1.9 feels like you can drive with more finess and have a more detailed way how the car response making modulating inputs to the situation more rewarding and so on... but at the sametime.. people are also getting away with driving with a more blunt style of driving better then in the past (for example 1.7)...
that problem also seems to be quite gt3 specific ... because cars like the m2 cup or porsche cup realy need a very finessed way to drive it fast.. balancing it to keep the limit high and balancing it on that limit... were in gt3s I see people just mashing the pedals and are still quite fast with that approach... with what you would be miles of in those other cars...
I think it is a combination of the electronics and the aero... I think the electronics got too good... (maybe they are that good in reallife... but I see sometimes people trail braking with alot of brakepressure without modulating it down to the apex and then just stomp on the throttle exiting the turn.. and are still realy fast with that approach) ... and also the aero seems to be too forgiving in terms of variance.. I think it should be more sensitiv to changes so you actually need to care more about a stable platform... I think that would also help with those "strange" setups... because running super low with also very soft suspension should result in a very strong changing aero plattform.. maybe should also stall the underbody flow at occasions.. I think usually when running very low a stiffer suspension should be benificial even more so if it is a bit bumpy (which then needs damper tuning).. on super smooth tracks you might get away with softer suspension also
but I am not an engineer but that is how I thing about aero dynamics and underbody aero flow...
well wasn't planning on writing such a book... just wanted to say... driving and setting up the car in a realistic approach always worked in acc and got even better in 1.9 .. the problem is that unrealistic setups and sometimes driving style... should be alot more punishing, rather then actually gaining time through it.
that's also a reason why I needed to take a brake from acc.. I realy love the game and physics when it is in a natural enviroment.. but it just feels not rewarding and no point in it, when people are faster with a quite blunt driving approach ( like I said not talking about the aliens/esport guys... those people are just super fast and can drive with alot of finess, they will always be superfast not matter the physic.. it's more about the tier below them) and strange setups no one would run in reallife.
I hope ACC finds its way back
if they force high rideheights on the nordschleife.. it might actually be realy alot of fun..
nice post mate, sums up the situation quite well
Great points! I run in a league or two and I try to use my own setups but almost always I realize I save a lot of time (and maybe gain some speed) by subscribing to a setup service. And I must say, just from a vibe place, since around 1.9 I get a little sad when the settings are just min/maxed. Lowest or highest, zero or full… it just removes some of pleasure.
From a curious nerd place though I’d love to know if it was that the physics models loose realistic behaviours at the outer edges of their ranges, or if the game is properly modelling how irl cars would handle these settings…. but are maybe missing something.. like not modelling some durability issues that would negate these otherwise interesting ideas?
The closest non-car example I can imagine would be, let’s say, imagine there’s a track and field sim, and you control a human, train them and feed them and exercise them. In this made up scenario, a user could figure out that feeding the human massive quantities of pure sugar instead of any other food gives the sim athlete a huge energy reserve - and it works in-game helping the user win races. Where as, in real life that much sugar would cause digestion issues and likely induce a diabetic collapse killing the athlete… but because the game doesn’t simulate those things, the sugar strat works?
Strange idea I know… but I think it illustrates my point: are the issues in ACC stemming from a failure/limitation in the math, or from not simulating a tangential issue that would exist in the real practical world? Or something else?
I don’t expect anyone to know the answer aside from Aris or his team, and imagine answering those things might not be in their best interests…but from a personal experience place, I think knowing would bring back some of the interest I seem to be running low on recently.
Ps - Fantastic vid, Nils! That pdf comment made me lol but actually, it was super interesting!
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I always was under the inpression ACC wouldn't work on Nordschliefe becuase of how broken the suspension physics were. New update mare a very nice change though.
The reason for less TC intervention is the decreased front aero and mechanical grip. If your grip balance shifts towards understeer the rear tires of course don't have to work as much. The lateral grip the rears have to deliver has become lower lower so there is more grip available for longitudinal grip.
Conclusion is there is not more grip available, the car has just shifted balance which frees up grip potential for acceleration
Massive understeer and good behaviour over curbs, so what this setup does is basically give an AMG experience to all cars 😆
RUclips needs gifs in comments :)
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In iRacing, the minimum ride heights is also a thing for the Nords 24h, most GT3 setups would run really low wing (Think 2, 1, 0 and in some cases even negative).
Always refreshing seeing a video that provides a new perspective. Thanks for making it.
Another great Video and thanks for all the work put into it!
Cars were running lower than 70mm before the Nissan-Crash and could well do so with about 55mm on the front and around 68-75mm on the rear. It's rather a BoP/Safety thing with the 70mm minimum, I don't think Kunos will atually change anything about the setups at all if they release the Nordschleife for ACC. Afterall, the Sim is not THAT realistic that it would recreate a flip hurting spectators and it certainly hasn't bothered Kunos in all those years that people can run ridiculously unrealistic damper/spring settings.
I really hope they will completely re-create the whole suspension simulation and brake feedback for AC2. Would still love to see the Nordschleife on ACC, with SRO running the 24h from 2024 its quite realistic to happen.
that's true, in this case though it might save us as ACCers :)
Cause I'm pretty sure we would see cars flipping with unfortunate timing over kerbs and bumps it we get to use very low ride heights
I would assume that Kunos will change the parameters if it lands. They done the same with the camber angles before for the 2022 regulations.
it ain't coming
Kudos is working on ACC 2. I don’t think they would dedicate resources to add one more map to ACC. Especially considering all of the efforts it would take to make a massive overhaul to the ACC car suspension, aero dynamics, road physics, etc.
ACC is essentially a further developed AC. Why wouldn't you add stuff to ACC as a last DLC if you can then use it for AC2? Let us dream lol
I trust them to get it right far more than other racing games devs. I would love to see these have a crack at the F1 game as well.
I mean, to be fair, IRL GT4 cars have five individual wheel nuts that must be loosened and tightened for tire changes, but the game still has them use one big central nut like GT3s. Concessions to reality are made everywhere.
I've inhaled most copium one can imagine to say the following: maybe we will get another 2.0 physics update together with Nordschleife, and while they are on it, they can include the Mustang as well :p
don't forget the covette - can't be too much to ask :D
@@SimracingPopometer Yeah I'm not sure if it will race in any of the big SRO series though. Iirc only in selected races of the American series, while Dynamic will do a full GTWC Europe program with the Mustang.
So I'm not sure if that will be enough for them to include it, IF they decide to do a 2024 Update
@@ghosto_o797 we keep breathing copium
THIS IS SO EPIC! We are officially getting the Nordschlieffe!!!!!!!
Months later, with Nords released, I can't help but feel that something is wrong by the way every car is highly bouncy.
Well rumours over, we got it
Damn the M4 sounds great on AC.... lol
Sounds better than real life
"return of the tractor" 🚜😂
isnt intercontinental gt challenge hosting a nord race soon? wouldnt that mean theyd have to add nord into the game
that's why I made the video
Great video as always mate appreciate the way you break down the important details, however if Kunos even thinks about adding this track before they fix the lack of competitive cars to more then 5 it would be a great shame imho. They have failed us massively in that regard for a Sim we all love. I cannot believe that this is for ACC at all but rather AC2. How can Kunos think about giving us this “DLC” with GT2’s maybe & this track would just be yet another slap in the face. 1.9 came out & Kunos has disappeared 👏🏼
Before I begin watching the video, yes it can. Crank your fast rebounds to near maximum. Rear wing quite high. And rear spring rates softer if needed.
now watch :D
Don't worry about regulations game is game we will drive our setups on open lobby. If some sort of leauges you might be ask to do this and that.
Well wouldn't the developers of ACC with the help of the driver update the game with the necessary specs to be able to handle the track. I'm sure they wouldn't just add the track without any kind of updates to the cars to apply to the rules of the track and so on.
no the rules aren't the issue, but if the cars still drove reasonably far away from the usual setups! but guess they still kinda work as far as my test went.
Thanks for this very good video (and I really like your replay footage at the end 👍). The thing with the not so cooperative suspension of ACC is one of the major factors, that led me to drive far more iRacing. No sim is the best, it's more a question which one FEELS best for you... but frankly your video makes me curious if it might be worth to dive into ACC back again and tinker with such more "squishy" setups with a suspension, that actually does what it is supposed to do: mitigate bumps and loss of tyre contact. Because usually standard setups with more softer suspension settings feel like garbage in ACC. But I have to say, I tried your Porsche-Setup from a few weeks (or two months or so) and if I remember correctly your suspension settings on that setup were also more on the "let's let the dampers and springs have more range and let it work more"-side... and I liked it. The only thing I don't like is the shitty (sorry for swearing) FFB in some situations, were you almost feel nothing on your wheel, no matter the FFB settings... which is not the case with any other sims driving the same car on the same tracks.
That's why I like your explanations a lot... I'm a techie-guy and know some stuff about physics, but I never really sank my teeth into (race)car specific tech and how to handle physics, so to be frank, I would have a very hard time to build a decent and reasonable car setup if my life would depend on it... but after hearing your explanations I very often go like "aaaahhhh I thought so!" or "now the stuff makes sense to me!". So thank you very much for that!
thanks for the kind words tobi
@@SimracingPopometer Have to clarify one thing: with "shitty FFB in some situations" I wasn't referring your setup, but the overall behaviour of the ACC FFB with some cars. I think you got me right there, but just to clarify for other people who might read this 🙈😂
Great video!
another great video, thanks. And if it comes to fruition, a track that I'll suck at, even more than Crashurst 🤣
I’ve know idea if the ACC cars can manage, but I’d love to find out!
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Can this happen now in the game or make the setups unbalanced
I think maybe you're thinking about it too much, you won't want low ride height and you'll want softer suspension, nothing irl needs to be exactly replicated to the exact MM in a sim, if GT7 can do it then I'm sure ACC won't have any issues.
If it's a serious sim it does need to be replicated to half a mm. And gt7's suspension is like a toy compared to acc.
Either way now that we have the track the suspension feels good, they really nailed it.
All good but... who is going to tell Kunos that now we also need the Dacia Logan?
im sure they are painfully aware :D
This car made romania famous. As a romanian, this really makes me proud (even tho it has a french engine but who cares)
GT world challenge might run different specifications. I realize this is a safety thing from ADAC but there might be more margin to run lower
true, though I doubt they want to be the ones finding out why the rule was introduced in the first place.
ADAC also enforces "anti lift" electronics to force the front tires on the ground at all times
The Nordschleife is certainly the most beautiful and challenging route on this planet. Nevertheless, I would find tracks like Hockenheimring, Oschersleben, Norisring much more sensible/important for ACC. The Nordschleife is more suitable for long-distance races because, among other things, there are hardly any overtaking opportunities. Who wants to do anything like running nearly an entire race in a row? In my opinion, it simply has to be possible to change position again and again in 25 minutes or 45 minutes. I love the NS, but there are simply too many more limited options than on other circuits, that's my opinion
im not a fan of the nordschleife for these reasons too. great track, but not for actual racing. its you vs. the track rather than you vs. the others.
a lot of other great racing tracks would be equally good or better additionas indeed!
Update: ich denke mal du hast es mittlerweile mitbekommen? die NS wird bald in ACC eingebaut...Nils, wir wurden leider nicht erhört🤷♂🙄@@SimracingPopometer
Do other race track enforce a maximum rake and a minimum ride height? Is this just special for the nord?
Most of the time it's not the track but rather the general technical regulations of the series, to make sure they are not damaging the track or produce dangerous situations
M330i they are driving
Hi Nils,
soweit ich weiß bist du ja Deutsch und werde dementsprechend hier mein Comment auf Deutsch formulieren.
Es gibt da nen bekannten deutschen RUclipsr aus dem deutschen Motorsport-Bereich namens Jan-Erik Slooten aka. Ring Police. Der hat sich mal zur Real Life Setup Thematik auf der Nordschleife geäußert und (ich versuche es mal so genau wie ich mich erinnere wiederzugeben und ne Quelle anzufügen) und das wie folgt beschrieben (für den Porsche 911 GT3R, entweder 991.2 oder 992) "Du fährst raus auf die Grand Prix Strecke und fährst den Koffer erstmal so n bisschen warm und denkst dir dabei was für nen Dreck du eigentlich fährst, weil die Autos untersteuern und so extrem weich sind und genau das Gegenteil vom normalen Setup ist, dann drehst du deine paar Ründchen bis die Temps mal da sind und dann traust du dich mal auf die Nordschleife und auf einmal bist du von "was ein Schrott" bei "mega Geile Karre alter" und das einfach weil der Asphalt und die Gegebenheiten einfach so unterschiedlich sind"
Quelle: noch nicht gefunden
Edit: ruclips.net/video/59pT4zJwDI8/видео.htmlsi=aZTAbNEV5BX3DAYP&t=212 diese Quelle hab ich mal gefunden da wird das Thema so bisschen angeschnitten von ihm, allerdings hab ich das Original mit der richtigen Formulierung bisher nicht gefunden
dann hoffen wir mal, dass es uns in ACC genauso ergeht :D
@@SimracingPopometer ja das wäre super und da hätt ich auch richtig Bock drauf. Sich über die gesamte Grand Prix Strecke über den "Drecks Karren" aufregen und dann Nordschleife mit Traumwagen fahren xD
Honestly was expecting a different outcome for the video. this gives me some hope! But being a console player, I have very little!
Also, is there any chance for a V8 Vantage in depth guide? I've always been just off the front times with it and wanna know what I'm doing wrong to find that extra time! With the new Ferrari and a few others I'm at the front but the Aston is my Baby, and I want to be at the front in it as well!
BOP sadly. most of the time it's just slower no matter what you do. on PC we have the option to make our own bop somewhat.
other than that the Aston needs rake. all of it :)
@@SimracingPopometer Okay good to know it's not me. I've been hearing the LFM BoP is somehow usable on consoles but leagues aren't using it yet. Just gotta hope it's better for the Aston & we start implementing it in to the console side soon!
So are you also saying max out the front ride height? To eliminate unstableness going over bumpy curves?
it will cost a lot of lap time, but the desired effect would be there, yes. (It wont work on the Zolder chicane, its too high :D)
@@SimracingPopometerIt does for folks at your level, but for the more sunday-morning driver guys, like me, going higher is not a bad trade off. I usually do that on tracks that demand chirurgical precision for kerbs, as yes I will lose some raw performance, but overall it gives so much more confidence and consistency that I find it acceptable. And also I mostly drive the Lambo Evo II which anyway is not losing/gaining much on straight...
Also your feeling about the TC is not so much due to the higher overall platform of the car, but more due to the fact that your rake angle is lower because of to the rear current maximum limitation.
agree on complliance, confidence, etc.
disagree with TC reasoning. We drive similar rake at low ride heights. You need insane amounts of rake changes to get noticable differences in actual weight distribution. another comment already explained it better, but its rather due to the front simply being weaker and not requiring as much lateral grip vom the rear, hence there's more available for longitudinal. More travel on the rear will aid that additionally.
Would increasing splitter help with the understeer?
most cars don't have an adjustable splitter anymore (in the game). but sure, if there was one like on the merc, it would help a bit
Suspension ride height != ground clearance
care to expand?
Are we sure is this acc?
Must be testing for AC2
maybe it is for AC2 not ACC?
This is exactly what I was going to say. The up and down physics are wacked in acc.
well i'd say this video came with an awkward timing, since they anounced Nords few days ago, and a few days after you posted the video
they msut think it will work :D
Can I buy those gloves you are using anywhere?
sadly not, there was only one batch made between bmw and puma. I believe Logitech has/had the same, but also not on sale anywhere
thx, its time for merch ; )@@SimracingPopometer
I think this is more for AC2 than ACC
They wouldn't use the same ui
@@therealf.b.i9468 i think its normal to use same ui while game is in long progress, the ui is last thing they need to worry about
@@nerk1807 if they use the same engine i wouldn't say this but AC2 ran a completely different engine so using same UI is a bit weird don't you think plus AC2 trailer or teaser might come at the end of the year
Irgendwie wird es schon gehen 😁Sind ja auch mit ACC 1.8 klar gekommen irgendwie.
Here's a thought. Get good. Play with a normal controller instead of an actual racing set up see how you hang. Guarantee none of yall even passed the OG Career in A.C.
It's more likely he was testing Asetto Corsa 2. Not ACC
why?
@@SimracingPopometer because it's rumored to be released next year.
They aren't working on assets for an old game at this point in their development cycle.
This would be game changer massive game changer.
Good for me I know every corner so I'm ready to do low 6 min and show the others how to drive in hell
Well, it would low 8 mins depending on the layout. Pretty sure they will be using the 24h layout (at least I hope)
At the moment it's not ready, unless they go and take one of their proverbial shortcuts in the physics.
why? my test seemed to turn out fine so far. i feel a lot of ACCs issues start to materialze once you go VERY low with the car
@@SimracingPopometerI think the Monza anticut into T1 is the answer. It's taller than any kerbs on the Nords but not by much, if you can't clatter it like in real life to me it's a clear indication that you'll have to avoid kerbs even on the Nordschleife.
Moreover, I don't think the problem is the front ride height. The reason why cars explode when they hit tall kerbs is because upon impact the front suspensions compress and extend so fast that the car literally leaps into the air.
@@danielebrambilla2290 I think the issue with low ride heights is that there's too little time for the suspension to absorb the energy and that it somehow keeps oscillating through the system instead
@@SimracingPopometer It's probably right as it's ride height that depends on suspensions and not the other way around.
I think the Nords would be drivable but I wouldn't bet on it being actually fun.
I'm not in the loop anymore and I frankly don't care at all about ACC specifically, so maybe I'm biased, but I believe it would be a much better move, marketing wise, to just keep the only recent scan of the Nordschleife for AC2.
Intelligent coherent sim racers looking at PDF's , data and telemetry to figure out the best set-up for the Nordschliefe.
Slightly mentally challenged wooden head like me gets in the Bentley with safe set-up.
certainly the more time efficient approach
Nils i appreciate all the in-depth videos, they make this stuff understandable for us lesser mere mortals. I really hope Nords comes to ACC, it will be the greatest swan-song final DLC in gaming history.@@SimracingPopometer
A Bentley with safe setup eh? I can only imagine the understeer.
no
Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a role model nils he's an actor.
wrong video?
you posted unfathomable cringe on twitter and blocked me for pointing out Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actor and will say anything you want if you pay him enough, so this is what you get