111mph to 119mph club head speed in 3 golf swings w/ Dr Sasho MacKenzie
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One simple cue to go from 111mph to 119mph in club head speed with golf biomechanics expert Dr Sasho MacKenzie. Watch the full episode from this trip here • Discovering how to use...
Great golf instruction from biomechanics expert Dr Sasho MacKenzie.
The best advice I ever received for my golf swing was to take 2 weeks off and then quit.
Ok, laughing my ass off, we must have the same swing coach.
Thats hilarious...
Good for you
Did it work?
Then you came back and were even worse than before. That’s golf!
Imagine dedicating your life to biomechanics so that you can tell someone that the secret to clubhead speed is a quick tempo.
He uses a lot of big words for no reason
@@barackobama8821 he didn’t even use a big word the whole video, if you don’t know what kinetic energy is or angular momentum you should probably pick up a 7th grade textbook
@@barackobama8821 not everyday words but certainly NOT big words.
This is very valid instruction. Over the past few years I increased my tempo and as an unintended consequence I’ve seen about the same increase in my swing speed as in the video. I went from 105 to 111-112.
I actually noticed this myself watching the long drive guys. I noticed that none of them have the long, slow backswing that I was always taught. Their backswings are very fast.
This really works! Increased my clubhead speed, ball speed and improved my strike through the bag! However, i now need a hip replacement.
That’s a good one! LOL!
This absolutely works. 65 Y/O single digit handicap, increased driver head speed from 100 to 107. Actually gained control by choking up 1/2 inch and still got ball speed up to 156
Great to hear it worked for you!
I tried this on my home 9 hole course yesterday. Not only was I hitting the ball further, but straighter as well. I had one pulled shot that was still long. I knocked six shots off my round from my previous round. I have always used a slow backswing and tempo with mixed results. There are dozens of videos on RUclips about making a slower backswing and slower tempo. As far as I know this is the only one that touts a faster backswing. But it really works. So for those criticizing this, maybe you should actually try it first.
I’ve never commented on a youtube video before. No really. 38yo, took up golf 3 years ago, call myself an enthusiast but really it’s become an addiction.
Had a trackman session last week for driver - 106mph average, 109mph peak, longest 274m, so managed to just reach 300yards. Pretty damn happy with the numbers considering my age and experience.
Watched this video day after, the physics made sense, thought I’d give it a go at a free driver fitting. Saw speeds and distances I’d never seen over and over.
Jumped on trackman again the day after to see if it was just a fluke- new average speed 111mph, peak 114mph, longest drive 298m (326 yards). I was nearly averaging 300 yards and have the trackman reports to back it up.
Made me realize how much I had been leaving in the tank not applying force to the entire downswing.
Having watched hundreds of golf videos in the past 3 years, this one was the biggest surprise. Thanks @golfsciencelab, a happy new subscriber
Love it. Good work testing it out and thanks for reporting back!
109mph went 300yds and 114mph got you 326yds? That's 30+yds of roll in the real world.
Did the Trackman technician kick you out so he could fix his machine? Because according to Trackman, a swing speed of 114mph will produce a shot of 272carry/290 with roll. A 326 yard drive(with roll) would require a 130mph swing speed. Not sure why an organization called Golf SCIENCE Lab would endorse your post when your claim is scientifically impossible.
@@edward1019 Suggest you have a look at trackman optimisation chart, 114mph driver head speed can produce a lot longer total distance than 290yards. I can get 290 yards with roll from about 106mph driver head speed.
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Clubhead speed of 105 mph with a positive angle of attack of 4 -5 degrees will give you 300+ yards of carry distance I believe
My husband loves golf but many years ago he was playing a round with a good friend at their club in Calgary, Canada. They would play for a delicious Club steak sandwich which was well worth it in those days in the late sixties when they were just (late teen) teenagers . By the 10th hole, his friend had been having all sorts of problems with his game- and it had been a long time since he had enjoyed a round of golf- and announced on the tee that if he had another bad hole he was going to quit the game forever. The group had a good laugh about that, and when this guy hit his second shot into the creek next to the green , his friend promptly shook everyone's hand , and started walking back to the clubhouse.
Two hours later , the three of them staggered into the 'Spike Room' finding their good friend sitting alone in the corner , rather inebriated. He bought them a round of drinks , and then left. The bartender said that he had sold his clubs to another member . He watched him sitting forlornly, and when his friend was asked what was wrong, he said: 'I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.'
He never played another game after that. Sad story, but maybe he had saved his sanity?
I think he took up tennis.
I'm 54 and my club head speed is 99mph. My problem is my takeaway has shortened as I've gotten older. My driver's distance is also down to 235yds. Thankfully my my 37yr.old ping Answer still keeps me at a 10 handicap. My driver used to be my favorite club, but now I "drive for doe and put for show". Nice video 😃
The phenomenon could be explained either by physics or physiology. As a former researcher in kinesiology field and now a mini tour pro, physiological explanation makes more sense to me, but harder to comprehend if without knowledge of relative info about how muscles and tendon works. Faster/more abrupt transition USUALLY generates more speed because muscles are already engaged before the moment of initiating downswing. The main fuel for muscles is calcium, when we fire a muscle, there is a lot of calcium being released into the muscle cells. So muscles being already engaged means that there are some pre-existent Calcium ions in the muscle cells, and if you fire the muscles with some already-existing calcium in them, the total amount of calcium available in the muscles will be greater, therefore can flex faster. It’s kinda like if you rev up the engine of your car up to 5000 rpm then let go of the pedal to let the rpm drop to 3000. From there if you want to hit 6000 rpm you would only need to tap the pedal slightly instead of going hard on it when starting from idling speed. Another physiological reason is the more tension in the tendon when the tendon is being stretched dynamically than statically. This reason is actually more predominant. If you pause like Hideki, you are stretching your tendon as well when pausing at the top, but the amount of tension in the tendon is less than if being stretched dynamically(stretched also getting longer). Unlike muscles, tendon isn’t something our brain can consciously control(like bones), but more tension in the tendon means more help to the connected muscles to exert force on the bone(for golfer bones of hip, leg, shoulder...), therefore generate more speed. HOWEVER, with quit a few golfers I have seen/worked with, more powerful firing of muscles with all being said does NOT produce higher club speed or at least not always, mainly due to the reason of uncomfortable tempo which leads to inefficient firing sequence. IMO, firing sequence matters much more than how powerful the firing is, in terms of both consistency and speed.
Victor S spot on
Now that's an answer
The fast back swing enables FLEX in the shaft when you immediately transition to the down swing.. if you pause at the top the flex is generated later in the down swing and your release will be slower..
Yes! this is the real reason a faster backswing helps . Accidentally discovered it added 20 metres to my ageing drives as you get more 'whip' in the club. You are still completing the backswing with the club moving back as you start to move your body into the downswing and this forces the club to play catch up.
Distance vs accuracy.
Tiger has slowed his swing considerably and is way more accurate off of the tee now. 111 swing speed is good enough for 270ish carry. Nothing wrong with that.
I was struggling to get to 93mph. I sped up my swing and increased to 98-99. I’m 67 and fit. This does work.
Thanks for the sweet tips! After watching this, my SS went up from 120 to 140 and I'm carrying my driver well over 330 yds. (Closer to 400 with roll) Now that I can drive within 100 yds of any green (ANY), I just need to figure out how to actually golf. Im working down from a 37 HC but I drive farther than Spieth!
Swing speed 140??? 330 yard carry with driver??? 37 Handicap???? - Do us a favour!!!!!
lol riiiiiight
Troll.
How insane! I had the same problem. 7 iron; 92 mph clubhead speed, but my driver was stuck on 105 mph... So I ended up with a shorter swing, but more body rotation through my shoulders, I ended up wiht a clubhead speed of 115 mph with my driver. This was today XD. Keep it up man
Glad to hear you tested it out!
Mike Austin.
Longest drive in a pro tournament. He was 64 in 1974 and hit hit 65 yards over the green to 515.
Without modern testing equipment, he was reportedly swinging at 160mph and properly recorded at 133 at age 70. ‘Supple quickness’ was his motto and his swing based on his degree in kinesiology did not unduly stress the spine.
I’m 67, adopted Mike’s method 3 years ago and now swing at 103-105 for 245-260 carries. At 62 I was down to 90-92 mph. I was 22 living in Pasadena just 45 minutes away from where he was teaching in LA. (Damn.)
Mike’s protege, Mike Dunaway offered $10,000 on the cover of Golf Magazine to anyone who could outdrive him. When Daly won the PGA, an interviewer said, “You must be the longest back home” to which John replied, “No, there’s a couple of guys who are longer.” Dunaway was one of them. Jaacob Bowden, another student was also a LD champ. As is John Marshall in the seniors.
Bowden (swingmangolf.com/average-golf-swing-speed-chart-2/ ,) Marshall and Steve Pratt (m.ruclips.net/user/Inmotion70 ) I believe are the last remaining instructors who knew Mike directly. Mike passed on at 95 in 2005.
Also check out MikeAustinFan and MikeAustinRules.
Many ways to swing a club but Mike’s way is the only viable way to swing fast into your 80s.
Thanks for this vid!
Fairways and greens!
That last point MacKenzie makes about applying the more forceful/faster backswing but letting it finish before starting back down is so critical. I apply the principle of a faster/harder backswing when I want to step on a shot with driver, but if I fall into the trap of trying to start down before letting it finish getting to the top, strike and direction etc. fall apart and I actually lose a bit of speed in the downswing.
I am 52 and only 5'7"... I have a used Trackman and have a portable swing speed radar. My average swing speed is 125 Mph and 300+ drives are not an issue. The # 1-factor multiplier in swing speed is hip rotation. I hike and hunt in the mountains of Montana which gives me strong hip flexor muscles. Swing speed is FUN when it comes to distance but it takes a LOT of practice to keep it on the fairway. My best games are when I slow everything down and focus more on accuracy than distance.
You are 52, 5ft 7, and you swing as fast and carry the ball as long as a 25yo tour pro. Remarkable.....
Guy is giving him advice on problems he doesn't have. Welcome to the world of golf.
Gosh, there are a lot of 115mph - plus and 300 -plus yard drivers here - even at over 50 years of age! Amazing! Strange that in real life, an average, steady 8-handicap duffer such as I can only hit the ball 240-odd and have a 95 mph swing speed with a driver. And around 80-85 mph with a 7-iron (150 yds max).
Best advice for an average club player to hit 300+ yards? - hit it twice!
So true 👍🏻
paul lespage have you ever had your distance with driver measured?
Improved fitness levels AND hormone replacement therapy do wonders. Haha.
Thanks for your advice Brad. Presumably from one of those over-50 300+ yard drivers I've never met?....Seriously bud, as a 20-odd yo I could indeed hit these sort of distances...but 40 years on it just aint possible, regardless of fitness regimes. Can't overcome the ravages of time, old mate
larkie57 this is RUclips comment section the home of hedge fund billionaires, Air Force fighter jet pilots and dining and dating only the finest in the world. Haha. All seriousness my swing speed is 115 lol. Played for D2 golf but rarely break 80 from the tips.
Hahaha....that guy got it all to start with. The only thing he needed was someone to tell him to swing faster :)
If you think about this logically, it would take more force to stop a club at the top when you crank up your backswing speed. So, it takes more time for the club to stop. During this time, your muscles will stretch further, giving your muscles more length to travel. This is the reason why a faster backswing MAY improve speed. But half of club speed is strike. The more of the ball that you catch in the middle of the face, you get less resistance. When you hit one on the heel or toe, the club experience lots more resistance and takes lots of speed away.
Thanks for the tips, I'm now swinging at 86 instead of 85. Big gains yo!
What was the ball speed, Carry, dispersion, results?
New subscriber here - this video is golden. I love the physics :) I’ll be implementing this.
THIS is how to teach. Especially younger students. Teach them to hit the ball as hard as they can and learn to straighten it later.
You don’t see DJ or Brooks saying how they used to swing like a grandpa and then decided to speed it up. The best players have innately known to swing faster.
It’s amazing to hear the difference in the sound of impact at 111 vs 116+. 111 sounded good but 116 sounds mean as hell. I’m always forcing myself to take it back so slow, something I fight on every swing for most of my life. Maybe I’ll just stop trying lol.
Lol. That’s true. We have a kid at my club that can only hit 3 wood on most par 4 because his driver swing speed is 138. You should hear that!
Take one and 1/3 second for the entire swing. Everyone rythme and tempo is different from one another. Start downswing with lead arm and lead elbow. Trail side will then become more reactive and follow along to the end of your swing. I am no professional teacher or player; but at age 75 this works well for me. Cheers
Pretty sure Jack said to take it back slower to hit it further Who do you trust??
If you have a well coordinated swing this is great! When I did not take the club deep enough on the back swing and swing into my right hip/glute, I would never be able to do this. The transition is smoother and faster! Thanks
Ball speed is the factor you want to increase, club head speed is a factor that can be misleading in the distance one can generate because of contact location etc. but ball speed doesn't lie!
for the doubters of the science behind this, take the slowest backswing possible, then come down with your normal speed. see how far you hit it lol. and yes, it looks like he's swinging out of his shoes, but obviously he's going to be more off balance because his body is not used to that 8mph jump. he did hit one that was in pretty good balance, but the amount of recoil he has is causing most of his balance problems.
100% body has to learn how to cope with speed and balance will come.
Only issue with the likes of the 119 swing is that you're more warmed up. Hitting a shot, walking around the course, waiting to hit, etc causes the body to cool down a little. Not saying this isn't effective (have tried it myself), but you might not get the same numbers on the course that you get with trying one after the other on the range.
aaaaand my slice is back! thanks!
yep and me too
Need a super strong grip if you’re gonna swing out of your shoes.
Today; even at my age of 74. a faster backswing is essential for me as well and can be done safely by the immediate activation of my obliques using both sides from the very start to the very finish of my swinging my club
In order to protect both back muscles and spine I highly recommend every one try what I call The Crunch & Turn Golf Swing.
I am 74 and I finally learned to swing within my own body’s capabilities. After i did some personal research on the obliques and the golf swing; I am now swinging better then ever before and with absolutely no straining of my back muscles or putting too much pressure on my spine
I simply used my obliques more.
I started my swing with my lead side obliques tilting and turning until they stop my backswing; and, then for my downswing I start with you trail side obliques crunching and turning until they stop me at the end of my swing.
I find i have less swaying of my body and I stay into my golf posture much easier then ever before. Also the ground forces and my lower body responds naturally.
Our obliques i found are what actually starts and stop both on our backswing; and, then our downswing; and are essential to a core driven golf swing. i like to call my swing The Crunch & Turn Golf swing.
Your obliques are located attached at the border of your rib cage down to your pelvis region and are the muscles groups that supports your abdomen and keeps all your guts in place. The obliques are extremely important in protecting your spine as you swing your club as well. Your obliques are the true X factor that can be seen in any great golfers swing and yours as well. By the true X factor I mean simply draw an imaginary diagonal line from the point of your lead shoulder to the point of your trail hip, and then draw an imaginary diagonal line from the point of your trail shoulder to the point of your lead hip both lines crossing your spine.
Try my Crunch and Turn Golf swing with your hands together first and without your club in hand. You will get and feel what I am talking about instantly especially if you Crunch & Turn more vigorously with your trail side obliques on your downswing. I could write an entire chapter as to why and how our obliques are the turning key to everyone’s golf swing. Cheers and Happy New Years.
Do you have any further advice on how to use and train those obliques?
@@stevenewtons7873 yes have both upper arms embracing each side of your rip cage and swing the triangle that include the shoulders and the upper arms to act as one unit.
If your right handed start your downswing with what I call the magic lead elbow; forget about the trail elbow altogether as it will become a reaction to your action of starting your downswing with the lead elbow.
Of note it is important to set up to your ball by bending from your hip joint as you are dropping your club head squarely on the ground behind your ball and then flex your knees just a little bit before you swing the triangle.
The obliques are the connection between our upper and lower body from the base of our rib cage to our hip sockets and so our lower body should be also reactive to the action we play by swinging our triangle as our rip cage roles back and forth.
Hope this information helps Cheers
@@thomasfraser9072 Thank you. So, you mean "connection", as advised by Jimmy Ballard and Ben Hogan?
What do you mean by "Magic lead elbow?
@@stevenewtons7873 I simply start my downswing focusing on my lead arm specifically my lead elbow. It helps to pull my body around to the finish of my swing. Cheers
As somebody with a high chs and terrible ball spread I can already see my ball 2-3 fairways over lol definitely something for the range first
For sure. Not taking this to the course right away.
Following my golf pro’s advice my swing has become more elegant and consistent but my swing speed is only 90mph and my drives are only carrying 220yds! At 58 and strong I should be swinging at 110mph so now I know where to start adding more speed….more backswing speed!
Wish I had a 111 mph swing speed. I certainly could live with that as a week end golfer !
I have a 106 to 115 mph swing speed and still shoot 90-110 sometimes. Hitting it straight is much more important. I'd be shooting high 70's to low 80's if i could keep it in play off the tee.
Slowing me swing speed ruins my contact and makes the ball shape even worse thats the most frustrating part
@@6Deccers6 Which way is the tee shot going as a general rule?
@gatesmw50 duck hook left and a high slice right it usually alternates each hole and every now and then i get a day where ill be binking them down the middle and i will score 10-15 shots under my handicapp and get scolded for being a bandit
Yer i wish i was just dealing witha certain miss but im not
@@6Deccers6 There is teacher on RUclips I highly recommend. Porzak Golf. This guy is absolutely the best.
Try looking at his videos, he has a number of them for most problems A-Z. Give this a try !
Actually hitting the ball farther with the driver can be done in many ways. Getting a high smash factor with a relatively slow swing speed will give you pretty good distance with your drive without having to swing out of your shoes to do it. Your body has to make a lot of adjustments to swing a golf club fast. The fewer adjustments you can get away with the better and the longer your golfing "career."
So how do you get a high smash factor? You do it by releasing all the energy in the club at the instant you hit the ball. It is the similar to the chain of actions that a baseball pitcher uses to throw a fast pitch. It is a matter of combining all the motion your body does to get the club swinging to focus at the instant the club hits the ball. And yes it is much easier said that done and some will never be able to fully realize it. Sure you can try swinging faster but there is a timing component there. You might just release all the energy too soon or too late. You will still hit the ball pretty well but not with the optimum force.
Part of the secret to get the optimum swing is having a loose grip on the club throughout the swing. You have to let the club swing. Most, when trying to swing the club fast, will grip the club too tight which will actually eliminate the possibility of hitting the ball with optimum force.
I totally agree with you!
I grip really tight and can swing 120mph and drive the ball over 330yards. The loose grip advice... smh.
@@craigparker7104 Think how much faster and farther you could hit the ball with a loose grip and allowing the club to release. My swing speed is just over 100mph and I can hit the ball over 300 yards.
Jaime Mantel I’m not going to be able to control the clubface with a loose grip. I go fast enough already to have proven to myself that a ‘loose grip’ doesn’t work for many golfers.
This faster tempo backswing is about stretch short cycle. You can do pushups fast or slow. Which is easier to do and why? Fast tempo push ups are easier to do. You are using the bounce and rebound. Same principle in the faster backswing and rebound down.
Just watched a video last night on ways to increase swing speed presented by Greg Rose of TPI. Here is the link:
ruclips.net/video/VpnSwHoAh5M/видео.html
In sum, here are 8 possible ways to increase club head speed:
1. Speed up the backswing, as outlined in this video.
From TPI:
2. Lift the left heel on the backswing, without losing posture and without swaying.
3. Allow the left foot to spin open and point along the ball target line during the downswing (similar to when pitching a baseball).
4. Load the right hip and the right leg during the backswing with a full hip turn and weight pressure shift to the right foot.
5. Hip hinge (lower the head while staying in posture) during the backswing and then extend the hips explosively in a back and left direction at a 45 degree angle to the ball target line as the arms swing down...this also promotes a forward weight shift which is part of this power tip.
6. Lift the arms as high as possible during the backswing...to increase the amount of time to generate speed during the downswing.
7. Bend the left elbow at the top of the backswing to add another link in the power chain, with the understanding that width of the swing arc is only critical at impact.
8. Increase club shaft lag by keeping the forearms and wrists more relaxed during the downswing (exercise, carrying heavy loads, to get your grip strength as high as possible, then you can hold the club grip with a higher relative tension level, but still be relatively relaxed and loose).
Have fun experimenting. Greg suggests finding the power tips that work for you...but he says the two that help most golfers generally is to load the right leg on the backswing and spin the left foot open during the downswing...but it depends on the player. BEWARE! TPI's mission is to help golfers be more fit and extend the years they can play golf, so they will buy more Titleist balls. Maybe teaching golfers how to smash the ball with reckless abandon is another strategy to sell more Titleist balls! Haha
IME a super fast tempo causes an overly tight grip on the club, and tenses the muscles which negates any added “load” on the club head.
Is it really a faster backswing or just a quicker transition? Looks to me like a quicker transition, but that may be just a visual thing.
It’s a video about a faster backswing, it’s a faster backswing.
The point of the faster backswing is to create more force in the hands pulling the handle of the club at transition(so yes, it's also about the transition). Because he swings back fast, the club needs to be "caught" or stopped by the hands and redirected violently forward. The claim here is that this creates more energy, promotes the desired lower body/upper body separation at transition and also keeps the path of the hands as wide as possible. You'll see criticisms that he clearly swings harder but this is also a function of the improved sequencing, which when you get it right, is like catching a huge wave of speed you barely hang onto. The faster backswing is just the "key" to initiate it. Or another words, it only has any meaning if you already have a pretty good swing.
@@edward1019 maybe you do not need extra effort to redirect. Maybe it is the opposite. You are rebounding from a hard crash at the top.
I think the best way to look at it is like coiling a spring... he is loading the muscle and then releasing.
@@craigparker7104 Except that it isn’t. The pace of his swing never changed.
Can’t hurt to give it a bash, I’m sure it will work for some people. Tried it today at the range and ball speed went up with the driver and also wedges had some backspin of all things!!
As a retired Tour Pro, I can tall you that the vast majority of professionals would never do this to try and increase their club head speed. Unless they didn't actually care where the ball was going. It might help someone who just wants to hit it a little longer, but they will also hit it much wider, too. Go and see a reputable coach for advice, YT isn't the place that is going to help most players.
Bryson does this and has spoken about it. Professionals are doing what they've been taught since they were youngsters. At some point, science and physics comes along and says, "there's a better way," and then the next generation is taught that way.
For example, stack n tilt used to be a dirty word in the 90s and early 00s. Now more and more guys are eliminating that shift back and instead are staying centered and/or favoring their lead side (with irons for example).
I think the stack n tilt stuff will eventually bleed it's way into all of golf. If you are an am it is by far the best way to make consistent contact. But I digress.
You don't have the body of bryson and you don't hit 5000 balls a week.
@@sageagbonkhese4091 what does that have to do with the science behind speed training?
If you are speed training AND focusing on where the ball goes then you missed the point of speed training.
Anyways. Do whatever works for you.
I just always laugh when the old guard (older professionals) point to what the majority of pros are doing as some sort of proof. And for the record, the majority of professional golfers are training for speed in very similar ways (speed sticks, speed sessions with driver, weight room, nutrition).
@@sageagbonkhese4091
That’s irrelevant, I know loads of people who are bigger and more athletic than he is and people who hit 5k+ balls every week. The point is what he is doing works for him but certainly will not work for most people, each player must find the balance that works for them, trying to do what Bryson does without knowing what he does for recovery and injury prevention is just nuts.
There have been dozens of top players over the years who ruined their careers because they started bulking up and changing their swing to get more length, but couldn’t hit it on the planet after they changed. Bryson has always tried new things and has always worked on trying to max out length, that’s what he does, but if the average player tries it they will hurt their game or themselves.
Hooke's law.
If the equipment is correct, then applying more load to the shaft will produce more speed.
I remember this law of physics best... because I tend to hook when I over torque the shaft and don't maintain the shaft tension until impact.
I looked up Hooke's Law in Wikipedia...it has something to do with the Force needed to compress or extend a Spring. So I'm trying to figure out how it applies to swing a shaft of a weighted object. I didn't see it applicable in this physics discussion, but maybe I missed it. Thanks.
Shaft = spring.
The part that trips people up is thinking a spring needs to be a coil of metal.
The exercise is giving a queue that produces more load on the spring (shaft). That in turn produces more speed as the spring unloads.
ok thanks.@@silverfeathered1
if you want longevity in this game go slow back, period. 30 years a teaching pro
i was always taught that. Swinging faster does not always mean swinging harder. The key is finding the center of the club face. Speeding up seems to make the margin of error much smaller.
This video is nonsense, it's only the last 1/3 of the swing that counts. Watch Rory as he comes into the last 1/3 and he clears his hips with great speed, also watch the angle between wrists and club head.
my best swings have always come with a slightly lowered tempo, I have a fast natural tempo, but there's no question that slowing down the tempo creates a positive effect for me. Another way to experience this is to hit balls at 50% power, which is great feedback. Another key I really love, as it pertains to creating a balanced tempo, is to hum as I swing with the intent to keep the hum at a normal tone start to finish.
@@slewofdamascus Chances are you're hitting the ball more on the screws with a slower tempo. After finding a good teacher I hit the ball on the screws more consistently which allowed me to be more aggressive when I needed it and still hit it flush.
@@Pulse2AM good perception, that's it precisely. I'm rebuilding my swing right now,
using improved wrist positions (they were a mess), and that has allowed the kind of square contact I have never achieved before as consistently. I was a 5-handicap with lousy swing mechanics. But that's not really the point, I just enjoy the game more when I feel like I can control the club face, work the ball both ways, etc. It's even improved my putting.
Make sure all you hacks swing faster and harder. A timeless key to success...
Drivers are so good now and the philosophy of bomb and gouge is so popular on tour that it's probably worth the loss in accuracy for some people. I'll definitely be experimenting but a slower no tension backswing is delivering great results for me. I'm hitting fairways with good distance.
Love this. My swing thought now is to kill it. In order to do that I had to relax my wrists, plant my feet more evenly and swing back hard. Not only longer but straighter! Thank you!
Thats gr8 but out of interest could you control the direction? Was there a dispersion increase?
Freddy Couples at 59 years old doesn't look like he swings fast; it's because he doesn't believe in swinging hard. He says that he puts all his effort into hitting the ball at the bottom of the swing; he said he feels like the release point is after the ball.
However…..if you rush too much and don’t finish the backswing you’ll get disconnected and more often than not throw open your lead shoulder and the extra kinetic energy will simply result in an even bigger, longer slice.
To me, I would think the faster backswing will cause you to have more lag in the club coming down since it may still be going back as you start down. Lag is what creates speed at impact and you have to have loose wrists and forearms so the club can whip through impact faster. Applying more force to the grip would cause the opposite of loose wrists as more grip force should equal tighter wrists and forearms. Unless "grip force" is meaning something else when he says it.
they have to show the dispersion of the shots. His normal speed might be shorter, but it could also be in the fairway - while the 'fast bs' swing might produce faster club head speeds, but you might be spraying it all over the course. Which one would be beneficial?
Salvatore San juan you can also increase clubhead speed and be mis hitting more often thus making the extra speed null because mis hit causes loss of ball speed.
@@kourt2469 Exactly. Hey Kourtney, are you still gaming your sterling single lengths? I believe I asked you about them before.
Salvatore San juan yep 👍
Under pressure most will swing faster fast back fast down...... Have you seen the results? Snaphooks ob ...Or blocks way right. Good luck.
So many experts here in the comments section.
Kind of… it also depends on how much you can torque your lower body while the upper body is finishing it’s turn. You can have a slow backswing and still get plenty of torque at the top if you’re flexible. Im long and lean with a pretty slow backswing, but there’s tons of torque at the top because I’m already turning my hips before the backswing is done. I don’t struggle with clubhead speed and quickening my backswing doesn’t help. Again, depends on your body and your swing.
On your back swing get your club head in your eft eye peripheral. Then start your own swing.
anytime I try swinging faster in the backswing its bye bye fairway and ball
I can get up to 125 mph on a range but have to slow down to 112-118 mph on a course for more accuracy.
Any dude can swing outta his shoes in a controlled environment.
Were did higher swing speed shots land? In play? We can all swing out of our shoes , but you can’t score if you not in play?
I will agree the downswing and the torque will create faster Club head speed but that comes from strong hands not a fast backswing. Have you ever seen a homerun hitter snatch his hands back before he crushes the baseball? Me either
Well I've never seen a baseball bat flex during a swing either so maybe not the best comparison there
@@MrIdidyourmother I'm talking about hand strength and torque
nothing to do about flexible shafts that are size of your index finger versus a baseball bat that's 2" in diameter or bigger. The theory of snatching a club back fast to gain club head speed would be the worst advice anyone could have learning to play golf.
@@jrbuz10 Then you missed what he was saying entirely
@@MrIdidyourmother I did nott miss what he was saying . He was saying swing faster going back creates more club head speed because of the torque returning forward. I find that to be a Gimmick.
Snatching a club back fast to create club head speed is a disaster for a amateur golfer because they already have problems with timing the swing in the first place.
So is it just a case of 'stretching' the core muscles, especially the back to create more elastic energy?
To gain clubhead speed swing harder. Genius advice. Im sure no one thought of this
lmao
This is definitely not for everyone. I personally get more speed/distance and consistency from a slow and well synced backswing. When my backswing gets quick and snappy is when I lose my transition at the top and my swing falls apart.
Fact: each driver is designed to a specific swing speed that delivers the maximum spring effect. . If a greater speed than the one designed for the best spring effect is applied, then the spring effect becomes in effective. then it's just pure power giving that ball distance. Yes, then you are looking for 119mph.
I bet if he asked his Driver manufacturer at what speed was his spring effect tuned to on his driver the would tell him it only needs a speed of 105 to get the best spring result. and it would equal a faster speed. Also the shaft stiffness would vary it as well.I found that with my driver I can get the same distance if not further buy swinging slower, meaning I found the optimum swing speed my driver was designed for. it would puzzle me when I hit 4 balls, 2 at at 102mph and got 270m then I hit 2 at 96mph and got 268m and 271m. that's my experience . Faster is not necessary longer on every driver.
Guys, this video is obviously meant for trans-gendered and trans-fluid golfers to activate their "male" component in their golf swing.
Excellent video Golf Science Lab. You are a treasure to the LBGT community.
What is the expected average speed difference between a driver and 7-iron?
It’s depends on your swing speed, but you’d expect to see about 80% of your driver swing speed give or take with a mid iron. (100 mph 6/7 iron vs 120 driver)
@@TazzaHoldem I`m 95mph 7 iron and 115-120mph driver so makes perfect sense. I get the usual comment "you cannot hit it on the back swing" but no one can out drive me on a good day. great vid and backs up my swing.
Don't understand why the industry is stuck on club head speed. Quoting physics incorrectly. The formula for force is
F=MA mass x acceleration which is not the same as speed (velocity). In other words you can swing with a lower overall swing speed accelerating through the ball creates as much or more force as mass x velocity.
Nope. All that matters is the speed at impact. Which direction it goes and how close you get to 100% efficiency will depend on the contact point, angle of attack, resulting spin rate etc. But your max distance is determined by clubhead speed at the point of contact.
You're an idiot and you don't understand the simplest physics. The ball is at rest, therefore it's the difference between your clubhead speed and the ball that determines how far it will go. The faster the clubhead speed the greater the distance.
I would like to hear the angular approach I had the opposite issue, I was swinging too fast and had to slow way down on the back swing in order to correct my hand path
that is so cool! I actually came to this conclusion as well at the driving range, I feel I can hit it farther this way. The only thing is that I don't do it as much in play because it takes more energy and I feel more tired afterwards, so to save energy I do the normal not-so-fast backswing. If I could get in better shape then doing this consistently would be great for my game.
Smash factor must me considered. If you don't hit the ball square and on the sweet spot of the club face, there's little to be gained from swing speed. Ball speed, combined with spin rate start with repetitive mechanics and are measurable and trainable. Club speed increases follow talent . Kind of like driving a car. If you can't keep it on the road at 20 mph increasing your speed won't help.
Got it. Short fast back swing is better than long slow back swing.
A lot of amateurs are going to miss the center of the club face more by focusing on making a faster back swing.
108 thumbs down? c'mon man. The video is about swinging faster by taking a faster back swing. Maybe the concept is just to simple for people that think they are smart. Did you go try it? Of course not. Go try it. It actually works.
That's amazing. Too bad it's winter here. I've been trying to increase my average swing speed for years. I want to get it between 90 to 95. So simple and makes so much sense.
I love seeing this stuff, super excited for this channel going forward. Great work.
Thanks Max! Make sure to follow the podcast as that's where we have weekly updates and new content.
I usually carry my 5 iron 192-5, carry my 7 163-5 , but I only carry my driver less than 255? Am I swinging my driver wrong?
So if my 7 iron is 84 to 85 what should my driver speed be? There’s only 25 to 30 yds carry distance between my 3 iron and driver.
RUclips needs to have English captions for your Sciencese.
I can't comment or validate the science here, but last year I was struggling with my backswing which had got really short. So I sort the help of a local teaching Pro, who took one look at my backswing and told me that not only was it too short I was also way too slow. His cure was to position a pole behind and above my head and told me to hit this pole with my backswing and not to start my downswing until I had hit the damn pole. At first, because my swing was so slow I couldn't generate enough momentum to reach the pole, so he kept telling me to swing back FASTER!!
Eventually, I was generating enough momentum in the backswing and started touching the pole so could initiate my downswing. The results were alarming, as well as having a faster tempo I now have a full backswing and I'm hitting the ball at least 20yards further with all of my Irons and my Drives have picked up nearly 30yards! All because I am taking the club back quicker!!
I haven't measured what the clubhead speed increase is (I don't have access to Trackman), "Back and fast" is sure working for me!!
Wow! Sounds like it's working for you as well!
@@golfsciencelab Indeed, it sounded almost too simple and easy when he told me what I needed to do, but it definitely works for me. Unfortunately, for unrelated medical reasons, I won't be on the course until March but I can't wait to get out and swing it fast again!
Get the tour tempo app. If you can match the 18:6 ratio. You are bringing it.
Lance Sedevie 1:1 could give best results.
Video’d my swing it looks ridiculously slow compared to the top pga tour pro’s I’m going to stick with it over the winter. Been playing golf for 38 years with the old adage take it back low and slow. Problem is there are too many videos on RUclips with conflicting messages on backswing speed.
NASA called, they found his golf ball on the moon. My goodness, that's proper driving right there!
Swing fast first then straighten it out. Money advice right there.
Weird - all the top golfers (Nicklaus, Norman) in the world and top coaches (Butch harmon) emphasize completing your turn and hitting the ball squarely to increase distance. This technique might work for the talented young golfer in video, but I suspect will cause most golfers to mis hits shots, get floppy at the top and hit from the top. But if it works for you, then great.
Yeah, pretty much. If only guys like Snead and Nicklaus had known this, yeah?
It _is_ true that you can get too slow and plodding on the backswing (Nicklaus talked about being really slow, but also qualified it with "consistent with swinging rather than placing"), and there is a certain amount of energy load in what's frequently called the transition phase (that thing where the supporting structure starts moving forward fractionally before the arms and club start down). But that's been sort of a given in golf instruction for many decades.
It's training like anything else. with practice this technique would start equating to better connection with the ball. You can tell in this video that he's not there yet, as his 2nd ball was his best by far (1.47 smash, 12.3deg launch) His higher swing speeds past 115mph led to worse smash factor and lower launch angles (meaning more spin with less overall distance). That said once you can swing 119 consistently, the better connection with the face will come and so will the ball speed. at 119mph, he should start getting into the upper 170's for ball speed.
This technique forces you to complete backswing when you may stop short otherwise. Because you are slamming it up to the top fast. And you bring in a bounce or rebound in transition. Sort of like faster push ups versus slow push ups. Fast is easier to do because it involves stretch short cycle.
Yes you need to complete turn as soon as possible. All these players had fast backswings.
Fast backswing helps your depth which is much more important. It’s a decent swing thought but it’s not the deciding factor for your swing speed
The 116 mph hit had faster ball speed than the 119 mph. 116 = 171mph 119 = 169 mph. missed the sweet spot 119 could be up to 178 ball speed.
Cool tip, I’ve never heard anyone recommend a faster backswing. With a faster backswing are we sacrificing accuracy for distance or is there no correlation? Thanks!
If faster backswing causes a breakdown in your sequencing, then yes you will be sacrificing accuracy. If not, then you will gain distance and probably not lose much accuracy at all. Bryson and other long ball hitters talk about swinging fast actually helping them be more accurate.
Angular force is called torque bucko
Why was the GC Quad not showing distance numbers?
TREEMENDOUS SHOT!!!
"Kinetic, big word" hahaha.
most golfers would hear blah blah blah....swing faster
Tells you everything you need to know about this "Dr"
Yeah, that he has a need to have everyone think he's smart.
So did you hit it straight?
Haha! Not in this session. Speed was the only goal
How does Hideki Matsuyama swing fast then?
Just because he's a professional athlete? Who's to say that if he used this in his own swing that he couldn't gain 10mph?
@@DeronSizemore You are completely missing the point. This video talks about how fast tempo helps gain club head speed. Hideki Matsuyama has the slowest tempo possible and is one of the fastest swingers on the PGA tour
@@uncensoredmusic1337 I think YOU are missing the point. The video doesn't say that if your tempo is slow that you will swing slow. It only makes the case for increasing speed by swinging faster. Someone (who in your example happens to be a professional athlete) can still swing fast with a slow tempo but could likely swing faster with a faster tempo as the video shows.
@@DeronSizemore Dull head you have. If swinging with fast tempo means 10 mph gain in clubhead speed, that means swinging with ultra slow loses you 10 mph of club head speed. If this video is true, then we'd see far more tour pros with faster tempo.
@@uncensoredmusic1337 It doesn't mean that. There's no indication in any way that a golfer will be unable to swing relatively fast with a slower back swing. It only makes the case that a faster back swing generally increases speed. Just because doing a thing increases speed does not in any way mean that not doing said thing will decrease speed. It simply means you're likely not swinging as fast as you potentially could swing.
What did I just watch?? His tempo never changed! 72 bpm from first to last.
awesome info - thank you for posting - didnt know until now - thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Tom!
hes all over the place when he swings harder
"Typical golf swing, one-eleven" 🤣🤣🤣
In my 60's now and went from 107-8 to 98-99 over last few years. Gonna try it, but I'll bet I hit a lot of off center shots.
This works. Go to any PGA event. Those guys swing HARD
That they do!