Is not the solution, all though might help a lil, but at least for me the bigger issue in short track is the mechanical grip and size of the Next Gen, and the gears sync, they don't really look like it was setup for accelaration, and if there's a bit more power it will help as well but the overall build of the car is flawed for the short Ovals, so they might as well make a whole new package or car for those races
Something that the iceberg didn't realize is that nascar decides to run the bristol night race on a saturday night when there's also college football on. Viewership on these races isn't completely due to short track racing being boring. You just can't compete with college football. It would make a lot more sense to run the night races on Sunday night instead when there's only one or two nfl games on.
It wasn’t a problem when the Bristol Night Race was in August. But with the race in its current slot on the schedule…yeah, that’s the real problem there.
@@FlashoftheBladesCasuals and little kids wanted it in their beloved playoffs which is a desperate grab for views in itself. The Indycar season ends at a proper time.
The best method to solve the Next-gen car's short track issues is by trying a simple aero method by simply removing the diffuser and maybe testing grooved tires specifically for short tracks like F1 used in the 2000s. Lastly, we call on NASCAR to ADD MORE HORSEPOWER PLEASE! Which is obviously something NASCAR will never do as their claim for less HP is "to attract new OEMs", yeah right.
Less wide tires, grooved brake pads, and different gearing is all they need to do. Aero isn't the issue, mechanical grip is. The braking zones in the next gen is smaller, so making it bigger would create more opportunities to attempt out braking. And there should not be gear changes at short tracks
Im 42 andd live in Tennessee. When I was a kid, everyone knew who Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon were at least. Nascar hooked me as a child because I saw a Mark Martin 6 Folgers car at the local Grocery store, and the crew guy gave me a pair of folgers earplugs. I had toy cup cars, a few driver action figures. Walmart sold nascar tshirts, etc.. My kids don't have that! That doesn't exist anymore, hasn't in a while. They tried to go mainstream like the NFL and got greedy. Bring back the marketing fron the 90s, early 2000s and it will pay off.
Here's how I would fix up the short track and road course package. Remove the diffuser Raise the horsepower to 850 or 900 Spoiler height at 3.5 inches (Black, not clear) No shifting, only 4 gears instead of 5
The horse power is fine. They need to increase braking zones and reduce mechanical grip. Less wide tires and smaller brake pads would be super simple and more likely to happen.
The Gen 4, COT and High Powered Gen 6 races at intermediates where better than you remember. Cars could actually pass, tires actually mattered and drivers weren't stuck running the high line in the way they are now. Xfinity uses the same aero package everywhere and it works at all of the tracks. If they want to fix things, look no further than those cars as a starting point.
Let’s not forget about the tire size increase. Wider tires were/are never going to make for better short track racing. Adding the 5th gear only compounded the problem more and then the diffuser put the final nail in the coffin. Horsepower would help, but we all know they aren’t going to add that. Ruined my favorite type of racing. A solution seems another generation away at this point.
1. Remove the diffuser. 2. Remove the splitter. 3. Cut the spoiler down to 3 inches in height, and make it adjustable. 4. Raise the ride heights. 5.Take the tapered spacers off. 6. Make the tires wear faster.
I think your point about the marketing is the biggest factor. Every short track instead of Richmond is in the middle of nowhere. It is a lot easier to market Miami, Kansas City, or Atlanta, than Bristol and Martinsville. Hell even Pocono is only an hour away from NYC and Philly. The fact that North Wilkesboro, the resurgence of one of the most historic tracks in the sport had lower viewership than the worst track on the schedule really set in stone this issue. This is why I think the Nashville Fairgrounds coming to cup and the New Auto Club would be huge for Nascar, since its a short track thats literally in downtown Nashville, or not that far away from LA. But also it comes to dates. None of the short tracks needs 2 dates IMO. More people will attend the track if it only comes ones a year. Assuming 100,000 people want to watch a bristol race, its visually much better to have all 100,000 of them go to one race, instead of splitting it between the 2 dates. But third, it looks like casual viewers are simply more entertained by the cars going faster. In the most very surface level, 200mph around Michigan or Pocono is more entertaining than 130mph around Martinsville. Faster = Cooler, and it looks like its always been that way.
How to fix the next-gen car on short tracks and road course 1 More horsepower like 800 or 900 hp 2 take off the rear diffuser 3 only fourth gear on shorts track (but on road courses 5 speed h pattern) 4 get the spoiler about 3.5 inches (but with black) 5 narrow the car so that the cars can beat and bang and bump and run
This week on USA Network: The Bristol Garbage Tires Can't Pass Clean Air No Passing Night Race! 36 of the best funded drivers put on the worst Bristol night race in recent memory as nobody can pass because the NextGen fartboxes can't pass anywhere except intermediates, and the only way anyone would pass each other is whenever there's a tire failure since Goodyear can't build a tire that's worth a crap. Stay tuned for the Xfinity Mickey Mouse clownshow 300, oir other terms of its atrocity.
Funnily enough, I live under 3 hours away from all 4 of the short tracks you mentioned. Martinsville is the closest and is basically my backyard where I'm driving past the track every other week for work. And we can almost get away with calling Bristol our third short track in the state since half of Bristol's inhabitants live in Bristol, VA and the track is only a couple miles from the line. Several years ago we would easily be able to afford seasonal tickets to all three of the tracks (Wilkesboro is close but wasn't a thing obviously). Now-days it's just not really worth it. Interestingly with Martinsville, there are several families in the area that amassed their fortunes by machining, fabricating, and welding stock cars for NASCAR races for locals to run in the various different events. Not really much of a thing any more for local families to do that sort of thing, but it's a neat piece of history for our region.
Needs more horsepower, lower the gearbox, have a new set of tires to balance out the snooze periods, and maybe not build more short tracks until the issues above are fixed
you must not like short track racing cause the night race last year was exactly the same as 2021 but with a few tire failures. 2021 race was loved by everybody cause of the drama. that’s all y’all want is drama y’all don’t actually like racing.
The lack of tire falloff first and foremost. The tire for Martinsville, North Wilkesboro, and Gateway (not a short track, but arguably races like one) became mostly strategy races because the tire did not wear out at all. If Goodyear brought a competent tire, I believe that would solve a majority of the next gen's short track problems.
😂😂😂 the falloff has been better with the next gen even on short tracks than it’s been in over a decade. they could make them better of course, but they’re going 15-20 mph slower in the corners on a long run at most short tracks. that’s a fuck ton of a difference.
NASCAR needs to start another tire war by allowing other makers to come in like Firestone, Hankook, Yokohama & Michelin. Having competition will force Goodyear to improve their tires & the racing will get better as a result.
@@budracing68 i agree that they can make it better and make it actually wear, but that’s not totally true and not a big deal. in theory it would be true but in reality it’s not. they don’t cool down until a caution lets them cool down, and by then they do have enough actual wear that they aren’t running fast times anyways. it’s why we see guys stay out and fall back from 5th to 20th even if their tires aren’t that old. so yeah theoretically they could slow down and then be really fast but you can’t really do that without a caution forcing you to do it anyways. if anything it helps passing because a guy can manage for 10 laps and cool his stuff and then go and pass a bunch of cars. that’s how you do it in all short track racing even with tires that do wear a lot. you see guys manage, make a run, then pay for it by falling back again. so in the real life application of what makes them fall off, it’s almost exactly the same and fills the same purpose.
Not enough horsepower and it's easy to drive because all the do is shift in the corners because the are going fast through them, that is what Chastain figured out at Martinsville. And that's not how Bristol and Martinsville are supposed to be. All the bumping and banging and hard racing on these tracks has been mitigated by a car that restricts the very things these tracks are known for. Brakes were always a topic at Martinsville and they are not an issue for short tracks anymore because the don't work them hard there. It all comes down to tire consumption and pit strategy and that is not what get the fans going at these tracks. When someone tries to design a car to be cheap and put everybody in the same type and level of car makeup other than the engine, this is the stuff you get just decent average stuff. Chastain's wall grinder was an exception but NASCAR outlawed it.
I don’t understand why nascar won’t admit their mission to “save money” and “attract more manufacturers” has completely failed. No EMO’s want to join and the short tracks are the worst they’ve ever been because they refuse to up the horse power
It's far too spec to attract new OEM's anyways. Anyone who did want to try... let's use Nissan as an example. Would want to pour more into the car than Nascar would allow. Entirely because Nissan would want to take their Skyline cup car into low Orbit. But Nascar wouldn't let them because "Competition"
@@existinginaspace8347Nissan is also not going to come and spend millions a year on the antiquated OHV 2V V8 engine rules that have remained largely unchanged since 1974.
I've come to like Richmond being a strategy race at times, but others like Martinsville have been major letdowns thanks to the Next Gen having gutless engines Along with better marketing, NASCAR needs to build an upgraded chassis for short tracks
Horse power isn't the issue at the short tracks. It's the mechanical grip and braking zones. The tires are too wide and the brakes are too good as well. At Martinsville they used to have to begin braking not even halfway to the turn. Now it's after halfway. Plus the gearing gives the drivers a little bit of a boost coming out of the turns now because they can down shift.
Looking through all the comments, it’s clear to say the fans want: -Less aerodynamic grip -More mechanical grip -Increase in power However, throttle response has more to do with ignition and fuel mapping, whether ITB’s are used, compression ratio to some extend and driveline components rather than just pure power output.
Speaking on the fact of areas around short tracks taking them over. They just recently announced that they're suspending racing at the Bloomsburg Fairgrounds which is near me, because of noise complaints I love it 😆. I'm happy I got to see some type of racing there last year before they decided this.
Coming from someone in Texas. We dont have a main series short track mind you. I think the excitement of the short track doesn't quite shine through on the broadcast. There's a TON going on that probably doesn't get captured. Big tracks have bigger mobs of cars easier to track with cameras, and one or two big accidents. This makes them tv friendly.
I've said it before. ..They should be going to Iowa. Just look at the success IndyCar is having there . It's also a way to tap into the Mpls/St.Paul market after abandoning Road America.
Marketing can only do so much when the short track PRODUCT is so lackluster. NASCAR needs to stop monkeying with aero (which has little effect here) and go for more power/less grip ASAP.
Here is how to fix the short track racing: increase horsepower and remove the diffuser. For the location of them, Nascar needs to come up to New England because we have plenty of short tracks from the quarter miles like Monadnock and Star Speedway to the half mile of Stafford and the 26 degree banking of the 5/8 mile track of Thompson
1. Get rid of the diffuser 2. Crank up the power to 900+ horsepower 3. narrow the cars and the tires for less grip and for more bump and runs 4. make it to where they don't have to shift, stay at four gears because that's all they need. Regardless the track I really hope they fix it, I'd hate to see short tracks go.
True. See, NASCAR needs to realize that people are cutting the cord and moving on to streaming or just settling on airwave TV. Cable is so gosh darn expensive so that means not everyone is gonna pay out of their ass just for USA Network to only watch NASCAR racing.
One thing that could help short track racing is having them spread out around the country & in major metropolitan areas. For example IMS could be replaced entirely (no more flip flopping between RC & the oval) with IRP which would allow NASCAR to have a short track race in a major metropolitan area. The same goes for Auto Club when & if it gets turned into a short track. By having these tracks in major metro areas, it allows NASCAR to attract a wider fan base to the races. This is one of the reasons why (in addition to tradition) the street race Indycar has in Long Beach always draws big crowds.
The tires are wider and Goodyear is contractually required to produce gimmick compounds. NASCAR refuses to raise horsepower claiming the OEM’s like it, but they’ve failed to attract anyone and refuse to admit the OHV engine as the cause. The XTrac transaxle gear ratios are not fair game and the teams can only change between a few gear clusters and that’s it. 950 HP, carburetors, skinny tires, no stage racing, no playoffs, and authentic tires that don’t produce degradation management would help a lot. Edit: We also see the Supercars series has switched back to production based engine blocks and I think that would help NASCAR greatly in the engine department.
Raise the horsepower to 750, remove the diffuser, and do some tweaks to the transmission. In my opinion, they shouldn't have moved away from the 4-speed transmission. This 5-speed transmission is just not meant for NASCAR cars. These "stock cars" are more like IMSA GTD cars than anything.
The NASCAR Pinty’s Series in 🇨🇦has better short track and even road course racing then cup. And completely agree, the sport was built on short tracks. So more Horse power. I watch your last video. These young fans don’t know what their missing on short tracks. So NASCAR needs too the Gen 7 and market the Hell out of it. So the younger fans will love it.
As far as the location is concerned: You could build smaller ovals within large ovals and use them. I'm thinking of Pocono, Michigan or Texas. These tracks would have enough room for a 1/2 mile or 3/8 mile short oval inside the existing track.
Even if you fixed the short track package and market the tracks properly, there’s still a glaring problem looming, and it’s an economic problem. The average fan just can’t afford to attend a race. NASCAR, and many other sports leagues in America, have depended on a thriving middle class for their survival. But little by little, the middle class has gotten squeezed. These people have had to cut back on luxuries and spend more on necessities. It’s yet another case of the rich getting richer, the middle class shrinking and the poor getting poorer.
I get short tracks being hard to get to issue. My immediate local short track is in middle of the woods. If it wasn't along the same road as a bunch of houses, I'd probably miss the turn a lot more. The signage for the track doesn't help either.
Why do the cars at my local short track have more powerful engines? Cup series is supposed premier oval track series in the country. They treat it these teams are starving. Go back to 900hp
NASCAR thinks lowering the horsepower attracts manufacturers. What would actually do that is moving away from the current engine and going back to production based blocks like the Supercars series did.
i will be the first to admit i’m not at all a big nascar fan but short tracks have always been my favorite but i’ll never be able to reasonably go to a short track race because i’d have to drive 1500 miles and i simply can’t do that
More horsepower and no super speedways getting turned into short tracks (Auto Club) and come to Irwindale Speedway. Take one of the intermediate tracks’ dates off the schedule (Likely one of Kansas’ dates cuz Markus Smith won’t let Nascar leave Texas (We left Kentucky, why can’t we leave Texas?)
Add 100 HP Remove the diffuser Switch back to a flat splitter Keep the 2 in Spoiler Softer Brake Pads Grooved tires Change gear ratios for racing in 3rd gear, make shifting to 2nd causes wheel hop, & 4th & 5th same ratio. Make the car 200 lbs lighter
Needs more horsepower. And more rpms. Denny hamlin has stated on his podcast that they have been trying this for years. He stated for every 100hp you add it will cause about a 1 seconds of nature falloff. Bristol is another issue. It needs to get reconfigured to pre 2007 configuration.
In my opinion, there are some short tracks that can be fixed but not every short track was a banger with the Gen 6. Richmond became a snoozer after the 2014 spring race except for some races and Phoenix has been a snoozer since the reconfiguration. I think NASCAR needs to add horsepower, work on the transmission, and remove the diffuser.
Some short tracks might go away, but if any of y’all think NASCAR is getting rid of the Night Race at Bristol or the Fall Martinsville race, you’re fooling yourself.
The fact only 6 points races are on short tracks is a farce! Add Iowa and North Wilkesboro and dropping the Martinsville and Bristol spring weekends wouldn't be that bad, but please no more dirt races, Cup cars don't belong on dirt.
The Richmond night race use to be great, the Bristol night race, um before they repaved it Bristol had had at least a 3 year waiting list. Now empty stands.
Old Bristol is overrated! Give me pre August 1992 asphalt Bristol or current Bristol any day! You can actually move around and pass, that's what lead to the epic racing of the 2020 Bristol night race.
@@SilentDanDisneyPJ1 was applied for this weekend. In a 200 lap race it never wears off but during the cup races it’s consistently worn off by around lap 400.
The cars are too equal. Speeding everybody up 20 mph doesnt matter if they are all going the same speed. Thats why it's impossible to pass without wrecking someone.
NASCAR doesn’t have a short track issue, they just don’t care about them anymore. Why do you think they go to cookie cutters, road courses and turn everything into a superspeedway like!
Not enough short tracks. Also would like Charlotte cookie cutter this year instead of road course because we missed the finish for Atlanta summer race for rain
Bristol was awesome until they changed the track. Martinsville was the best racing on the circuit when they had half decent cars, same with Richmond. Leave it NASCAR to sacrifice the good to "fix" the bad. Short track racing is alive and well, but I've all but given up on NASCAR altogether after being a diehard for over 20 years.
I attend/shoot approximately 100 races a year. All but a hand full of kart road courses are dirt or pavement short tracks. Favorite is an interesting question but ill say this id rather go to a race like the Big D's Pizza idiot series on a track is some guys back yard in ohio on my way back from shooting an asa or world of outlaw race than go to a cup race. Thats probably not a good sign.
Trucks and xfinity are great on short tracks, next gen is ass needs 800hp little spoiler, smaller brakes, no diffuser, 4 gears not 5, smaller tires this goes for the road courses as well
All these comments don’t answer the big problem The Iceberg brought up, about how viewership is down. We could make this car be the perfect short track car, and it would not matter if viewers don’t show up to watch it on TV. Good racing is not going to fix that no matter how much you think it will. It has not saved the tracks before in the past, why would it now?
there really aren’t any. everybody looks so hard for what it is cause there’s no glaring issues. everybody also claims to love the last gen, which by damn near every statistic was worse on every short track, and everybody also claims to love late model racing which has 200 less horsepower and way less passing.
It doesn't help that all short track races are put on cable except for the 2nd Martinsville race either. Promotion and marketing definitely is a problem.
Riiiiight?! I recall both Richmond races, the Bristol night race, and sometimes the fall Martinsville race on Cable, vice the network. 4 of 6 short track battles on cable, but "ThE nUmBeRs SaY nObOdY wAtChEs ShOrT tRaCk RaCiNg..." I wonder why that is...
I wouldn't say short tracks is a piece of NASCAR, I say that short tracks is the backbone of NASCAR cuz NASCAR would've never taken off in popularity without short tracks. Short tracks should be given more credit in my opinion but they get shitted on instead.
Even if more horsepower was added that was the problem with Gen6 everybody complained about for mile and a halves everybody called snooze fests if I remember correctly. You’d be making another video about something else.
Why not just work on the transmission. Remove a gear, and make it manual again instead of the sequential setup they have now. Oh ya.. and more hurs purs
Coming from myself that’s a newer fan. I watch NASCAR because it’s the only stock car series where they go above 170mph on big tracks. Short track racing just feels like it belongs with the late models and grass roots. I watch NASCAR because of the things that are unique. If I want good short track racing, I can just go to my local short track on a Friday/Saturday night.
If there's a lack of space in Chicago for stuff to get made, blame it on the suburbs, as they take up wayyyy too much space that could be used for so much more. The creation of the American Suburb crippled America financially, denying cheap and affordable housing to low-income residents, and denied the creation of jobs for said residents.
When the suburbs were being built that wassnt a problem. Those homes were affordable and highly desired. People wanted their own space, simple as. Doesn't matter if there is space for a track or not. NIMBY's are far too commonplace everywhere. Tracks are getting mauled purely because "it's too loud" Of course. Home buyers of yesteryears understood that when they bought it
I think they should consider carbon fiber brakes, they actually have to be at the right temperature to work properly, that could be a fix to the brakes, then just put on a narrow grooved tire.
North Wilkesboro was good if you watch the old races from the 80's and 90's...the 1995 Tyson Holly Farms 400 is a really good race I'd recommend watching it.
Absolutely. I know there's NASCAR fans in my generation who thinks that short track racing is dead and that NASCAR should become F1 to beat F1 popularity wise which that's just plain stupid. My fellow zoomers need to realize that short tracks is NASCAR's backbone and short tracks helped NASCAR rise in popularity in the first place.
Dude, don't speak for everyone, okay? Besides, it's not NASCAR themselves that have short track issues, it's the damn car that have short track issues.
What are your thoughts on the current state of short track racing in NASCAR?
I think it is fun to much but new fans might not
It lacks the required McDowell Supremacy!
Our short track package needs a lot of improvement.
POWERRRRRRR! - Jeremy Clarkson
MOAR POWAAAAAAAAA
Needs to improve
MORE HORSEPOWER PLEASE
A Wise man once said "Mo Powa Babeh"
@@andrewwinslow9315lightning lightning lightning
Is not the solution, all though might help a lil, but at least for me the bigger issue in short track is the mechanical grip and size of the Next Gen, and the gears sync, they don't really look like it was setup for accelaration, and if there's a bit more power it will help as well but the overall build of the car is flawed for the short Ovals, so they might as well make a whole new package or car for those races
Less tire, worse brakes, and different gearing would be more effective.
@@BaronOBeefDip that's exactly my line of thoughts as well man
Something that the iceberg didn't realize is that nascar decides to run the bristol night race on a saturday night when there's also college football on. Viewership on these races isn't completely due to short track racing being boring. You just can't compete with college football. It would make a lot more sense to run the night races on Sunday night instead when there's only one or two nfl games on.
It wasn’t a problem when the Bristol Night Race was in August. But with the race in its current slot on the schedule…yeah, that’s the real problem there.
@@FlashoftheBladesCasuals and little kids wanted it in their beloved playoffs which is a desperate grab for views in itself. The Indycar season ends at a proper time.
Absolutely. I thought that was ridiculous. Though, I think the race came on after the football game.
The best method to solve the Next-gen car's short track issues is by trying a simple aero method by simply removing the diffuser and maybe testing grooved tires specifically for short tracks like F1 used in the 2000s. Lastly, we call on NASCAR to ADD MORE HORSEPOWER PLEASE! Which is obviously something NASCAR will never do as their claim for less HP is "to attract new OEMs", yeah right.
Lolll nascar hasnt had a new OEM in like 20 years....and lost dodge
Less wide tires, grooved brake pads, and different gearing is all they need to do. Aero isn't the issue, mechanical grip is. The braking zones in the next gen is smaller, so making it bigger would create more opportunities to attempt out braking. And there should not be gear changes at short tracks
Im 42 andd live in Tennessee. When I was a kid, everyone knew who Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon were at least. Nascar hooked me as a child because I saw a Mark Martin 6 Folgers car at the local Grocery store, and the crew guy gave me a pair of folgers earplugs. I had toy cup cars, a few driver action figures. Walmart sold nascar tshirts, etc.. My kids don't have that!
That doesn't exist anymore, hasn't in a while. They tried to go mainstream like the NFL and got greedy. Bring back the marketing fron the 90s, early 2000s and it will pay off.
Here's how I would fix up the short track and road course package.
Remove the diffuser
Raise the horsepower to 850 or 900
Spoiler height at 3.5 inches (Black, not clear)
No shifting, only 4 gears instead of 5
I disagree with 4 gears on a road course imo the better route is more power and the same amout of aero with gt-like gear setups like the lemans NASCAr
It’s the gear ratios that are the issue on that front, not the number of gears. Hopefully that will be an easy fix.
The horse power is fine. They need to increase braking zones and reduce mechanical grip. Less wide tires and smaller brake pads would be super simple and more likely to happen.
The Gen 4, COT and High Powered Gen 6 races at intermediates where better than you remember. Cars could actually pass, tires actually mattered and drivers weren't stuck running the high line in the way they are now. Xfinity uses the same aero package everywhere and it works at all of the tracks. If they want to fix things, look no further than those cars as a starting point.
Let’s not forget about the tire size increase. Wider tires were/are never going to make for better short track racing. Adding the 5th gear only compounded the problem more and then the diffuser put the final nail in the coffin. Horsepower would help, but we all know they aren’t going to add that. Ruined my favorite type of racing. A solution seems another generation away at this point.
1. Remove the diffuser.
2. Remove the splitter.
3. Cut the spoiler down to 3 inches in height, and make it adjustable.
4. Raise the ride heights.
5.Take the tapered spacers off.
6. Make the tires wear faster.
I think your point about the marketing is the biggest factor. Every short track instead of Richmond is in the middle of nowhere. It is a lot easier to market Miami, Kansas City, or Atlanta, than Bristol and Martinsville. Hell even Pocono is only an hour away from NYC and Philly. The fact that North Wilkesboro, the resurgence of one of the most historic tracks in the sport had lower viewership than the worst track on the schedule really set in stone this issue. This is why I think the Nashville Fairgrounds coming to cup and the New Auto Club would be huge for Nascar, since its a short track thats literally in downtown Nashville, or not that far away from LA.
But also it comes to dates. None of the short tracks needs 2 dates IMO. More people will attend the track if it only comes ones a year. Assuming 100,000 people want to watch a bristol race, its visually much better to have all 100,000 of them go to one race, instead of splitting it between the 2 dates.
But third, it looks like casual viewers are simply more entertained by the cars going faster. In the most very surface level, 200mph around Michigan or Pocono is more entertaining than 130mph around Martinsville. Faster = Cooler, and it looks like its always been that way.
How to fix the next-gen car on short tracks and road course
1 More horsepower like 800 or 900 hp
2 take off the rear diffuser
3 only fourth gear on shorts track (but on road courses 5 speed h pattern)
4 get the spoiler about 3.5 inches (but with black)
5 narrow the car so that the cars can beat and bang and bump and run
This week on USA Network: The Bristol Garbage Tires Can't Pass Clean Air No Passing Night Race!
36 of the best funded drivers put on the worst Bristol night race in recent memory as nobody can pass because the NextGen fartboxes can't pass anywhere except intermediates, and the only way anyone would pass each other is whenever there's a tire failure since Goodyear can't build a tire that's worth a crap.
Stay tuned for the Xfinity Mickey Mouse clownshow 300, oir other terms of its atrocity.
Funnily enough, I live under 3 hours away from all 4 of the short tracks you mentioned. Martinsville is the closest and is basically my backyard where I'm driving past the track every other week for work. And we can almost get away with calling Bristol our third short track in the state since half of Bristol's inhabitants live in Bristol, VA and the track is only a couple miles from the line. Several years ago we would easily be able to afford seasonal tickets to all three of the tracks (Wilkesboro is close but wasn't a thing obviously). Now-days it's just not really worth it. Interestingly with Martinsville, there are several families in the area that amassed their fortunes by machining, fabricating, and welding stock cars for NASCAR races for locals to run in the various different events. Not really much of a thing any more for local families to do that sort of thing, but it's a neat piece of history for our region.
Needs more horsepower, lower the gearbox, have a new set of tires to balance out the snooze periods, and maybe not build more short tracks until the issues above are fixed
Cars need a boost to horsepower, the current package makes Bristol and Martinsville a snooze fest
you must not like short track racing cause the night race last year was exactly the same as 2021 but with a few tire failures. 2021 race was loved by everybody cause of the drama. that’s all y’all want is drama y’all don’t actually like racing.
Horsepower isn't the issue.
The lack of tire falloff first and foremost. The tire for Martinsville, North Wilkesboro, and Gateway (not a short track, but arguably races like one) became mostly strategy races because the tire did not wear out at all. If Goodyear brought a competent tire, I believe that would solve a majority of the next gen's short track problems.
😂😂😂 the falloff has been better with the next gen even on short tracks than it’s been in over a decade.
they could make them better of course, but they’re going 15-20 mph slower in the corners on a long run at most short tracks. that’s a fuck ton of a difference.
@@danielchai6145only because the tire is getting hot, not wearing out. Once they cool it off they are running qualifying times again.
NASCAR needs to start another tire war by allowing other makers to come in like Firestone, Hankook, Yokohama & Michelin. Having competition will force Goodyear to improve their tires & the racing will get better as a result.
@@budracing68 i agree that they can make it better and make it actually wear, but that’s not totally true and not a big deal. in theory it would be true but in reality it’s not.
they don’t cool down until a caution lets them cool down, and by then they do have enough actual wear that they aren’t running fast times anyways. it’s why we see guys stay out and fall back from 5th to 20th even if their tires aren’t that old. so yeah theoretically they could slow down and then be really fast but you can’t really do that without a caution forcing you to do it anyways.
if anything it helps passing because a guy can manage for 10 laps and cool his stuff and then go and pass a bunch of cars. that’s how you do it in all short track racing even with tires that do wear a lot. you see guys manage, make a run, then pay for it by falling back again.
so in the real life application of what makes them fall off, it’s almost exactly the same and fills the same purpose.
Not enough horsepower and it's easy to drive because all the do is shift in the corners because the are going fast through them, that is what Chastain figured out at Martinsville. And that's not how Bristol and Martinsville are supposed to be. All the bumping and banging and hard racing on these tracks has been mitigated by a car that restricts the very things these tracks are known for. Brakes were always a topic at Martinsville and they are not an issue for short tracks anymore because the don't work them hard there. It all comes down to tire consumption and pit strategy and that is not what get the fans going at these tracks. When someone tries to design a car to be cheap and put everybody in the same type and level of car makeup other than the engine, this is the stuff you get just decent average stuff. Chastain's wall grinder was an exception but NASCAR outlawed it.
I don’t understand why nascar won’t admit their mission to “save money” and “attract more manufacturers” has completely failed. No EMO’s want to join and the short tracks are the worst they’ve ever been because they refuse to up the horse power
It's far too spec to attract new OEM's anyways. Anyone who did want to try... let's use Nissan as an example. Would want to pour more into the car than Nascar would allow. Entirely because Nissan would want to take their Skyline cup car into low Orbit.
But Nascar wouldn't let them because "Competition"
@@existinginaspace8347Nissan is also not going to come and spend millions a year on the antiquated OHV 2V V8 engine rules that have remained largely unchanged since 1974.
I went to South bend motor speedway last month and I enjoyed the experience. My condolences to the Rockford speedway
Better aero package (including smaller spoiler?), MORE horsepower, better splitter design, and better tire combo.
I've come to like Richmond being a strategy race at times, but others like Martinsville have been major letdowns thanks to the Next Gen having gutless engines
Along with better marketing, NASCAR needs to build an upgraded chassis for short tracks
Horse power isn't the issue at the short tracks. It's the mechanical grip and braking zones. The tires are too wide and the brakes are too good as well. At Martinsville they used to have to begin braking not even halfway to the turn. Now it's after halfway. Plus the gearing gives the drivers a little bit of a boost coming out of the turns now because they can down shift.
Looking through all the comments, it’s clear to say the fans want:
-Less aerodynamic grip
-More mechanical grip
-Increase in power
However, throttle response has more to do with ignition and fuel mapping, whether ITB’s are used, compression ratio to some extend and driveline components rather than just pure power output.
Too Much Shifting, Not Enough Horsepower & Tire Fall Off
Speaking on the fact of areas around short tracks taking them over. They just recently announced that they're suspending racing at the Bloomsburg Fairgrounds which is near me, because of noise complaints I love it 😆. I'm happy I got to see some type of racing there last year before they decided this.
Coming from someone in Texas. We dont have a main series short track mind you. I think the excitement of the short track doesn't quite shine through on the broadcast. There's a TON going on that probably doesn't get captured. Big tracks have bigger mobs of cars easier to track with cameras, and one or two big accidents. This makes them tv friendly.
I've said it before. ..They should be going to Iowa.
Just look at the success IndyCar is having there .
It's also a way to tap into the Mpls/St.Paul market after abandoning Road America.
Marketing can only do so much when the short track PRODUCT is so lackluster.
NASCAR needs to stop monkeying with aero (which has little effect here) and go for more power/less grip ASAP.
Here is how to fix the short track racing: increase horsepower and remove the diffuser. For the location of them, Nascar needs to come up to New England because we have plenty of short tracks from the quarter miles like Monadnock and Star Speedway to the half mile of Stafford and the 26 degree banking of the 5/8 mile track of Thompson
1. Get rid of the diffuser
2. Crank up the power to 900+ horsepower
3. narrow the cars and the tires for less grip and for more bump and runs
4. make it to where they don't have to shift, stay at four gears because that's all they need. Regardless the track
I really hope they fix it, I'd hate to see short tracks go.
They had that for years,racing was so spread out and aero dependent the put a big ass blade of a spoiler on it.
“It’s all about speed, hot nasty bad-ass speed” - Eleanor Roosevelt
In my opinion, adding more horsepower will fix it
The viewership is down because the networks are burying the races on channels a lot of people don't have or can't afford.
True. See, NASCAR needs to realize that people are cutting the cord and moving on to streaming or just settling on airwave TV. Cable is so gosh darn expensive so that means not everyone is gonna pay out of their ass just for USA Network to only watch NASCAR racing.
You should’ve seen the ESPN and TNN days in the 90s.
One thing that could help short track racing is having them spread out around the country & in major metropolitan areas. For example IMS could be replaced entirely (no more flip flopping between RC & the oval) with IRP which would allow NASCAR to have a short track race in a major metropolitan area. The same goes for Auto Club when & if it gets turned into a short track. By having these tracks in major metro areas, it allows NASCAR to attract a wider fan base to the races. This is one of the reasons why (in addition to tradition) the street race Indycar has in Long Beach always draws big crowds.
Said it a dozen times:
Reduce tire width, increase horsepower, reduce gear count to 4.
The tires are wider and Goodyear is contractually required to produce gimmick compounds. NASCAR refuses to raise horsepower claiming the OEM’s like it, but they’ve failed to attract anyone and refuse to admit the OHV engine as the cause. The XTrac transaxle gear ratios are not fair game and the teams can only change between a few gear clusters and that’s it. 950 HP, carburetors, skinny tires, no stage racing, no playoffs, and authentic tires that don’t produce degradation management would help a lot.
Edit: We also see the Supercars series has switched back to production based engine blocks and I think that would help NASCAR greatly in the engine department.
Any track 1 mile and less need 900HP in the motors. 4 speed transmissions and only 1/2” spoiler. That would fix a lot of the short track issues.
Raise the horsepower to 750, remove the diffuser, and do some tweaks to the transmission. In my opinion, they shouldn't have moved away from the 4-speed transmission. This 5-speed transmission is just not meant for NASCAR cars. These "stock cars" are more like IMSA GTD cars than anything.
The NASCAR Pinty’s Series in 🇨🇦has better short track and even road course racing then cup. And completely agree, the sport was built on short tracks. So more Horse power. I watch your last video. These young fans don’t know what their missing on short tracks. So NASCAR needs too the Gen 7 and market the Hell out of it. So the younger fans will love it.
Remove the spoiler and let's what happens.
As far as the location is concerned: You could build smaller ovals within large ovals and use them. I'm thinking of Pocono, Michigan or Texas. These tracks would have enough room for a 1/2 mile or 3/8 mile short oval inside the existing track.
I”ll be at Bristol for Xfinity and Cup. Love short track racing and looking forward to today & tomorrow
Even if you fixed the short track package and market the tracks properly, there’s still a glaring problem looming, and it’s an economic problem. The average fan just can’t afford to attend a race. NASCAR, and many other sports leagues in America, have depended on a thriving middle class for their survival. But little by little, the middle class has gotten squeezed. These people have had to cut back on luxuries and spend more on necessities. It’s yet another case of the rich getting richer, the middle class shrinking and the poor getting poorer.
I get short tracks being hard to get to issue. My immediate local short track is in middle of the woods. If it wasn't along the same road as a bunch of houses, I'd probably miss the turn a lot more. The signage for the track doesn't help either.
Why do the cars at my local short track have more powerful engines? Cup series is supposed premier oval track series in the country. They treat it these teams are starving. Go back to 900hp
NASCAR thinks lowering the horsepower attracts manufacturers. What would actually do that is moving away from the current engine and going back to production based blocks like the Supercars series did.
i will be the first to admit i’m not at all a big nascar fan but short tracks have always been my favorite but i’ll never be able to reasonably go to a short track race because i’d have to drive 1500 miles and i simply can’t do that
The cars need more horsepower
We also have to say Richmond has and always has been terrible, but more hp is what we need!
It wouldn't surprise me if Saturday Night is a snooze fest Considering how underwhelming the short track package is
Not running the short track package. They are running an intermediate package
@@austinlewis3273 Really
I heard that earlier today so I'm hopeful for a decent showing
I'd don't expect it to be that bad, Bristol is multi groove unlike Martinsville that's flat and you can't pass, you can pass at Bristol.
What if it’s not?
I can't believe anyone would rather watch Texas Motor Speedway over Bristol.
More horsepower and no super speedways getting turned into short tracks (Auto Club) and come to Irwindale Speedway. Take one of the intermediate tracks’ dates off the schedule (Likely one of Kansas’ dates cuz Markus Smith won’t let Nascar leave Texas (We left Kentucky, why can’t we leave Texas?)
Add 100 HP
Remove the diffuser
Switch back to a flat splitter
Keep the 2 in Spoiler
Softer Brake Pads
Grooved tires
Change gear ratios for racing in 3rd gear, make shifting to 2nd causes wheel hop, & 4th & 5th same ratio.
Make the car 200 lbs lighter
Needs more horsepower. And more rpms. Denny hamlin has stated on his podcast that they have been trying this for years. He stated for every 100hp you add it will cause about a 1 seconds of nature falloff. Bristol is another issue. It needs to get reconfigured to pre 2007 configuration.
In my opinion, there are some short tracks that can be fixed but not every short track was a banger with the Gen 6. Richmond became a snoozer after the 2014 spring race except for some races and Phoenix has been a snoozer since the reconfiguration. I think NASCAR needs to add horsepower, work on the transmission, and remove the diffuser.
Some short tracks might go away, but if any of y’all think NASCAR is getting rid of the Night Race at Bristol or the Fall Martinsville race, you’re fooling yourself.
The fact only 6 points races are on short tracks is a farce! Add Iowa and North Wilkesboro and dropping the Martinsville and Bristol spring weekends wouldn't be that bad, but please no more dirt races, Cup cars don't belong on dirt.
The Richmond night race use to be great, the Bristol night race, um before they repaved it Bristol had had at least a 3 year waiting list. Now empty stands.
People want old bristol and when its a choo choo train along the bottom they get mad😂
Old Bristol is overrated! Give me pre August 1992 asphalt Bristol or current Bristol any day! You can actually move around and pass, that's what lead to the epic racing of the 2020 Bristol night race.
Trucks never came off the bottom last night.
@@SilentDanDisneyPJ1 was applied for this weekend. In a 200 lap race it never wears off but during the cup races it’s consistently worn off by around lap 400.
Get rid of the diffuser, take all the downforce out, and add 200+ horsepower. That’s how you fix the racing both at short tracks and everywhere.
More HP is the answer. I don’t care what Kyle Petty or Steve Letarte says it absolutely is the problem. Not the only fix but it’s the main
The cars are too equal. Speeding everybody up 20 mph doesnt matter if they are all going the same speed. Thats why it's impossible to pass without wrecking someone.
NASCAR doesn’t have a short track issue, they just don’t care about them anymore. Why do you think they go to cookie cutters, road courses and turn everything into a superspeedway like!
Broo this whole time ice Berg is my area
Yeah I live down the street from Rockford speedway too😂
Not enough short tracks. Also would like Charlotte cookie cutter this year instead of road course because we missed the finish for Atlanta summer race for rain
Bristol was awesome until they changed the track. Martinsville was the best racing on the circuit when they had half decent cars, same with Richmond. Leave it NASCAR to sacrifice the good to "fix" the bad. Short track racing is alive and well, but I've all but given up on NASCAR altogether after being a diehard for over 20 years.
It's not just the Next Gen's performance on these tracks. It's a lack of a huge interest in those types of racing.
I attend/shoot approximately 100 races a year. All but a hand full of kart road courses are dirt or pavement short tracks. Favorite is an interesting question but ill say this id rather go to a race like the Big D's Pizza idiot series on a track is some guys back yard in ohio on my way back from shooting an asa or world of outlaw race than go to a cup race. Thats probably not a good sign.
Nothing beats Slinger Speedway
Trucks and xfinity are great on short tracks, next gen is ass needs 800hp little spoiler, smaller brakes, no diffuser, 4 gears not 5, smaller tires this goes for the road courses as well
All these comments don’t answer the big problem The Iceberg brought up, about how viewership is down. We could make this car be the perfect short track car, and it would not matter if viewers don’t show up to watch it on TV. Good racing is not going to fix that no matter how much you think it will. It has not saved the tracks before in the past, why would it now?
Your welcome to offer solutions yourself. If you have any.
@@existinginaspace8347 Well for starters, how about changing marketing and how the races are promoted.
HORSEPOWER!!!!!!!
The issue is shifting. Aero isn't even that important on short tracks with low speeds. Nascar needs to increase the Rev limit
there really aren’t any. everybody looks so hard for what it is cause there’s no glaring issues. everybody also claims to love the last gen, which by damn near every statistic was worse on every short track, and everybody also claims to love late model racing which has 200 less horsepower and way less passing.
Of my LST's 47 race nights ( 2-3 a week ) I attended 30 of them.
The late models are an afterthought up here. This is modified country.
@@existinginaspace8347 are you up north?
the Make an Car good for Intermate But hurts short tracks
It doesn't help that all short track races are put on cable except for the 2nd Martinsville race either. Promotion and marketing definitely is a problem.
Riiiiight?! I recall both Richmond races, the Bristol night race, and sometimes the fall Martinsville race on Cable, vice the network. 4 of 6 short track battles on cable, but "ThE nUmBeRs SaY nObOdY wAtChEs ShOrT tRaCk RaCiNg..." I wonder why that is...
@@tiny_philosopher_7848yep only said by geeks who think cookie cutter 1.5s are more fun!
Where were you in the 90s when it was all on cable ESPN?
A piece, not the lifeblood lol.
I wouldn't say short tracks is a piece of NASCAR, I say that short tracks is the backbone of NASCAR cuz NASCAR would've never taken off in popularity without short tracks. Short tracks should be given more credit in my opinion but they get shitted on instead.
Seems to me someone has a bad memory you can’t just say the gen 4 and cot era made bad racing at mile and halfs that’s not true
NASCAR needs to go to England and run around the good wood race track.
Even if more horsepower was added that was the problem with Gen6 everybody complained about for mile and a halves everybody called snooze fests if I remember correctly.
You’d be making another video about something else.
Why not just work on the transmission. Remove a gear, and make it manual again instead of the sequential setup they have now. Oh ya.. and more hurs purs
Nascar also really doesn't advertise like they use to
Horsepower
Go to 750 hp and take the diffuser off
I agree. I believe that the diffuser is definitely not making the car perform better.
Coming from myself that’s a newer fan. I watch NASCAR because it’s the only stock car series where they go above 170mph on big tracks. Short track racing just feels like it belongs with the late models and grass roots. I watch NASCAR because of the things that are unique. If I want good short track racing, I can just go to my local short track on a Friday/Saturday night.
If there's a lack of space in Chicago for stuff to get made, blame it on the suburbs, as they take up wayyyy too much space that could be used for so much more. The creation of the American Suburb crippled America financially, denying cheap and affordable housing to low-income residents, and denied the creation of jobs for said residents.
When the suburbs were being built that wassnt a problem. Those homes were affordable and highly desired. People wanted their own space, simple as.
Doesn't matter if there is space for a track or not. NIMBY's are far too commonplace everywhere. Tracks are getting mauled purely because "it's too loud"
Of course.
Home buyers of yesteryears understood that when they bought it
Wrong channel. Perhaps you were looking for NotJustBikes.
*INCREASE THE HORSEPOWER AND LOWER THE RACE LENGTH TO 400 LAPS*
Horsepower fixes everything...
I love short tracks
if they don’t want to add HP they need to make the brakes worse and make the tires narrower
I think they should consider carbon fiber brakes, they actually have to be at the right temperature to work properly, that could be a fix to the brakes, then just put on a narrow grooved tire.
NW was boring back then and it' still will be
My favourite short track is Martinsville and Bristol I hate wilkesboro you can't make a pass you Half two do better marketing❤😊
North Wilkesboro was good if you watch the old races from the 80's and 90's...the 1995 Tyson Holly Farms 400 is a really good race I'd recommend watching it.
Umm , maybe try to address the problem that made people not show up to the southern short tracks to begin with.
They really should be racing at Iowa
MAKE BRISTOL 2003 AGAIN
If you don't like short tracks you ain't a real NASCAR fan!
Absolutely. I know there's NASCAR fans in my generation who thinks that short track racing is dead and that NASCAR should become F1 to beat F1 popularity wise which that's just plain stupid. My fellow zoomers need to realize that short tracks is NASCAR's backbone and short tracks helped NASCAR rise in popularity in the first place.
I respect for what they were built on yes I get it.
I prefer Speedways and Superspeedways.
We have difference of opinion but I’m not gonna gatekeep.
The I think of NASCAR with broadcast on regular TV more people would watch said of having to go to pay channels
I think there should be less cars on short tracks. Should only be for the top 10 or 15 drivers.
Nascar should increase the banking at bristol to 45 degrees.
Build a car that's terrible at everything and the racing will be fantastic
No one will watch the race this Saturday night, not with college football on, I'd watch the race if i didn't have to work Saturday night
Sure.
(Sips drink).
Nascar doesn’t have short track issues. Everyone loves those races
Dude, don't speak for everyone, okay? Besides, it's not NASCAR themselves that have short track issues, it's the damn car that have short track issues.