2000 Honda S2000 | Buyer's Guide
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Hagerty’s Editor-at-Large Sam Smith explores what makes the 2000 Honda S2000 such a beloved classic sports car and details what you need to know about buying, owning, and loving this great roadster.
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The way Honda designs its cars in both exterior and interior never fails to impress. you drive an S2000 in 2021 and it still turns heads out there in the roadway despite it's an old car.
My buddy has a s2000 he said no one ever notices his car lol.. maybe you have a crazy wing and wheels, his is stock
@@PHFilms3 well from afar it looks like an ordinary roadster but when you see it up close you can have a better idea of it and can be attractive...
@@Nickoboss29 Meh it's an okay-looking car at best. Personally like the z4 roadster better.
@@PHFilms3 the z4 breaks down though .
@@PHFilms3 ap2 owner and I agree… however, after doing some tasteful cosmetic mods, bolt-ons, wheel/tire setup, and suspension, I can’t stop drooling over how beautiful it is 🤣🤣 stock is meh to me, but I’ve def had worse haha.
Like Hagerty's youtube page, but this isn't really a buyer's guide, more of a general review. Savagegeese has a true in depth buyers guide for this car that really tells you everything you need to know when considering purchasing one.
They should rename the series, Short Take. More truthful. Not as misleading. I’d still watch it.
@@stuffhappens5681 Yes! I would be super psyched to have a series called "Sam Smith drives ___". I've enjoyed this guy immensely since his R&T days.
@@2LiterFoxBody - Yeah, R&T was the best. I’m a well-preserved geezer that read my first issue when I was 13 in 1971. They had the finest writers over the many years bar none.
Agreed, he just about never mentioned the taut handling/steering-feel, which goes hand-in-hand with the peak motor for an exhilarating driving experience
I spun my AP1 after owning it for about 10 minutes. Respect the snap oversteer. Best car I ever owned.
Lol try a first gen viper.
Why do you like it despite the unpredictable oversteer?
@LAD Teknologies Can I ask what mods are you referring to here? Should be what Sam is talking about at 5:38. AP1 owner recently experienced the 1st spin out. Currenlty 9th year ownership.
@LAD Teknologies Thanks for the info 👍 👍 can i ask for your advice pls? i daily my car and dont go to track. Been very careful driving my car. However, one rainy night i was probably still driving faster than i should (70km/h approx) on a straight road. Car fishtailed. I think the road surface wasn't that flat (undulated) plus the water. Would a aftermarket toe arm reduce the chance of same thing happening in wet in your opinion? Wish I can PM you. Or we PM on IG:iKvin.
@@mk.h get new tires. Rain a lot in seattle where I live and it helped tremendously.
I’m so happy i got my s2000 before they skyrocketed in price. Such an amazing car.
Lucky, how nice
Same. They are an amazing car but they are becoming overpriced now IMO. You can get a Porsche Boxster S with similar mileage for the same price now which is crazy considering they cost twice as much new
@@Wallstreetavarice after having owned one, I don’t think they are overpriced at all. They are still appreciating and I strongly believe they are well worth the price point.
@@MrRarekiller10 They're definitely not overpriced. I picked up my 2002 with 33,000 miles on it in 2012 for $15k. I've gotten it up to 44,000 miles now and it seems to be easily worth more than I paid
@@SnickterP That same car right now will easily be 25-30k. i almost got a S2k with 120k miles for 7k and i found another for 8k and boy i wish i did. they sky rocketed to at least 15k-40k for one barely even running.
Top Half of the cap? You mean VTEC's second cam profile
There are actually 4 variants of the S2000, essentially changing every 2 years.
AP1.1 (00-01), AP1.2 (02-03), AP2.1 (04-05), and AP2.2 (06-07) the 08-09 cars also had little changes but are still considered AP2.2s
1.1 cars have a (factory) plastic window, a richer tune ecu, slightly weaker synchros, and most importantly in the US 2 squirt oil jet bolts. These need to be changed to 4 hole banjo bolts to help lower oil consumption & on cars that see more time in VTEC also presently cylinder wall scoring. Some early 02s also still have the 2 hole banjo bolts so look out.
1.2 cars are the best of the AP1s, they have the updated synchros, banjo bolts, a glassback window, some interior and suspension rates changed but 03s also have a bigger oil pump from the AP2.
2.1 Is cable throttle of the 2.2L without VSA (traction control) and still is essentially a rawer car. These are considered the best year for a stock car as they don't have the AP1 or AP2.2 DBW issues. They do have an issue with 2nd gear popping out on 04s similar to the NSX snap rings, which isn't a fun fix if you have them.
2.2 is the car you want for a autocross, track, or modified car. The ECU is flashable so with a High Flow Cat you can use a lower VTEC tune for a ton of midrange torque without affection high RPM power. They can also have a safe fuel cut of 8500rpm for those sections you need a bit more speed in. HOWEVER they also run lien with a returnless fuel system so they tighten their exhaust valves over time causing you to need more frequent valve adjustments.
Hargerty, I could write a whole article if you'd like about the indepth stuff and the basics. My instagram is @130_James.Dean
...not forgetting 2004-2009 AP1s
@@peejayem4700 04-09 in the US is AP2 not Facelifts
Please hire this guy, that's very informative for someone looking for a buyer's guide. The channel already has reviews.
Well said 👍
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Just bought an 05 AP2 a month ago. Low miles and stock great condition. Love it!!
Me too! In Berlina Black. Take care of her!
My heart beats a little bit faster whenever I see or hear an S2000 😳
The sounds are great! It never gets old. Love my S2000.
S2000 Buyers Guide: Good Luck
This.
Haha, yep... I used to toy with the idea of getting one... I wish I had back when they were relatively plentiful and "cheap".... My NC Miata (6spd/LSD) is definitely not appreciating, lol.
I got to drive my friend's AP1 on slightly wet greasy roads once... I was a little nervous, lol.
@@mry82 buying an NC Miata instead of an S2K since I love the 09+ 6 speed cars and you can get a low mile one for 10-13K, vs any S2000 being older and 17-30K for low miles! NC is still quick compared to the older Miatas and everything associated with them is cheaper, definitely not going to appreciate anytime soon I don’t think. Eventually, they probably will if they are the correct spec (manual with an LSD).
@@mry82 I've owned both an NC and an AP1. I'd take the NC if 9 times out of 10. It just plays the part of a "fun around town beater" better than the S2000 did.
Keeping mine forever and replacing the engine, trans, diff when necessary.
Just bought my first one !!!! Can’t wait to drive it !
Love my AP2 never going to sell it such an awesome experience everytime I turn it on
I was searching for 4 years for a low mileage AP2 with red interior. I'm glad to say that I found one 2 years ago. I've taken it to the canyons and auto cross multiple times.
My baby is now sitting there looking mint. Once in a while when I'm stressed out of my mind, I take out the car and once I'm driving it that stress is non-existent. For those of you that haven't driven one, drive one! You never know, you might just fall in love and join the S fam!
Got my '03 15 years ago and it will be in my will
Bought my '07 new in Jan. of '08, when so many had given up on this fantastic machine. You can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
how much are they normally? even an old one?
Lemme buy it broooo
There's also a version of the AP1 with out the air conditioning , saving weight and increasing the room under the boot . i got one since nearly 8 years now , 137 000 kms still with the OEM clutch , great car !!!
Almost two years after this video, I'd like to say that the S2000 is still and "attainable" JDM legend.
Awesome Review of a great car! These things dominated our local autocross for the longest time. All the top drivers had them. Seeing less of them lately as they become older cars.
I’m loving the new content Hagerty. Especially Sam & Jason
this is the best car in the world and i drove a lot of different cars ... A LOT ... best 4 cylinder ever made / light / best shifter best gear box ever produced / wonderful chassis
Is very good but i have a Prelude also. 1/4 of the money and almost as good
The S2000 will go the same route as the Supra.
Theoretically. In fact these EVs ckksuckers will destroy EVERYTHING !
Mahority of people who seek S2000 are actually car ethusiasts. Supra's are a rare case of internet hype.
Got a 2000 ap1 model with 255k everything original beside battery tires and wheels, it is still running strong
Was hoping for a more detailed guide. Like common problems and where to check for rust.
depends on the model ap1's tend to burn oil, have weak valve retainers that crack if over you over rev it, common rust spots aree in the quarter panel andd in the trunk underneath alll the carpet. ap1's also have a clutch buzz Owned mine for 3 years now haven't had any problems just done normal service and the car will reward you
Check Savagegeese's channel 😉
SavageGeese has a pretty in-depth one on his channel
Also of note. AP1's had minor updates for 02-03. Leather center console, glass rear window, better speaker placement, useless door pockets etc
Check for rust everywhere 😂
Mannn this makes me want to take mine out right now..... Expect its - 1C outside and the roads are salty. Only another month or so to go. Can't wait to get back out in it.
I already own a S2000, why am I watching this?
Because you like to hear people talk about how cool it is! 😁
Makes you a proud owner
Because you can't help yourself !
Same haha
Me too. lol
Even if you buy one in bad state, everything is a easy DIY fix. Designed so well don’t be scared 👍🏼
I've had my '05 for 11 years. Not letting it go.
My dad has one, already told him it's mine when he wants to let go of it. Got the Honda bug from my Integra so need that sweet VTEC again in my life 😂
Sam Smith, formerly of R&T may not own an S2000, but he does own an ITR. Definitely not "stupid", one of the best auto journalists out there. Thanks Sam!
Itr can't compare.
I was debating buying an itr back in 2007 as a replacement for my em1, but I'm glad I chose to juml into the s2000; you can't beat rwd Honda, but an itr would be a close second.
@@endlesstwisties actually it can the ITR was a homologated special...... Double wishbone, seam welded body, port and polished head, etc, etc........ There very close.... Sam has also stated the s2k was a Japanese e30 m3 evo3 but with no torque and no roof..... Sam is up there with Chris Harris.........ITR is slower but it's slightly more visceral......
Had my AP1 for over 4 years now :) aftermarket rear toe arms are a day and night difference in being able to dial out that rear end twitchiness
Can I ask what brand and model is it pls? Think this is what Sam is referring to at 5:38.
@@mk.h I went cheapo on mine, I think they were Megan Racing. There's tons of brands out there though, Hardrace, T1R, K-tuned, etc.
@@theguy1994 Thanks yes just read through the thread about Megan Racing one on s2ki. 👍 much appreciated
It is still Great after 18yrs!
Love it! Last week came home with a 2000 with 30K and Super Clean! I promise not to PARK it and Just Look at it Dammit! Awesome Car!
Nice review. One thing though, its not that no one cared for it, but all of us that cared could not afford it when it was new. :)
Thanks for the review! Have an 02 Suzuka blue, love it! Will never sell! :)
Beautiful color. There’s a mint one for sale near me with 27K on it and they’re asking 43K for it!!!
Also rare to find one that hasn't been messed with my tuner boyz.
I could listen to Sam Smith do these Buyers Guide episodes all day. I remember (as I’m sure many here do) when this car first debuted in 99 as a 2000 year model , and was always impressed with the F20C and later F22C1 engine that Honda produced for the car. Producing the highest specific power output for any naturally aspirated piston engine in a car priced under US$100,000, this engine is still one of the highest output per liter and the highest revving mass production engines ever made.
Nicely done Sir. Like the back stories too. Thank You
I've driven a 2002 S2K for the past 11 years. No other car provides such pure driving stoke. I'm seriously having it buried with me just in case they don't stock them in heaven.
💯💯💯
My dream car 😍 I love you s2000 ❤
I don’t care what anyone says but the S2000 is the best sports car ever!
You haven't driven them all so......
@@DrewLSsix well I can drive them
People need to stop talking about the S2000, it will only drive the prices even higher..
Proud owner of S2K here.
This is not a buyers guide; this is a video of someone gushing about the car. Which is fine just make sure the title matches.
I was able to get my 2011 TSX Sport Wagon because of an S2000. The former owner of my wagon had both cars, and his wife told him to get something larger to haul their kid around. He did the right thing and kept the S2000, which meant I got a great wagon. I've always loved how these looked and sounded!
I bought my S2000 new in 2002, Sebring Silver, and it is currently still sitting in my garage. It’s a California car, never driven in the rain, always garaged. It just turned over 8,000 miles. I know I’m crazy for not driving it more but I had too many toys and not enough time to drive it. The good thing is the car looks as good as the day I bought it, not a rock chip, door ding, nothing. As close to a new one as you can get. At this point I’m afraid to drive it as I don’t want it getting damaged. I just keep the oil changed and go for a drive once a month or so to keep it in good running condition. As much as I love the car as I get older it gets harder and harder to get in and out of it, lol. I will probably eventually sell it although I’m not looking forward to that whole process of figuring out what it’s worth, letting people test drive my car, etc.
I'll admit to daydreaming of other cars, but when it comes down to it, I don't think I'll love them the way I do my s2000. It's just such a special machine.
I had a black over red 2000 ap1.. I didn’t even realize at the time it was one of 5000 (and being a Honda, even a GREAT Honda, I’d say only 60% are left (that stuff rear suspension, he didn’t mention that every single year of production, it was made softer, people kept trading ends in corners (I did a few times).. trick was “don’t lift!” It was like a 911 in the regard. Other than that, it was probably the most fun car I’ve ever had and I had a lot of the 90s and 2000s greats.. ap1, ford lightning svt, mustang cobra, bmw e36 coupe, integra type r.. I should have kept EVERYTHING (and I’m leaving out a lot!)
I had a 2001 S2000 and loved it. But I’ve never had a car that would change lanes all by it’s self going through run of from sprinklers. No matter what tires I had on the car it would hydroplane in the wet starting at any speed over 45mph. It also was murder on tires. Now good luck finding one that’s not beat to death.
I bought my S2000 new in 2002, Sebring Silver, and it is currently still sitting in my garage. It’s a California car, never driven in the rain, always garaged. It just turned over 8,000 miles. I know I’m crazy for not driving it more but I had too many toys and not enough time to drive it. The good thing is the car looks as good as the day I bought it, not a rock chip, door ding, nothing. As close to a new one as you can get. At this point I’m afraid to drive it as I don’t want it getting damaged. I just keep the oil changed and go for a drive once a month or so to keep it in good running condition. As much as I love the car as I get older it gets harder and harder to get in and out of it, lol. I will probably eventually sell it although I’m not looking forward to that whole process of figuring out what it’s worth, letting people test drive my car, etc.
@@fastdude2002 I can’t blame you for keeping it,they are beautiful sports cars. Kind of like a Japanese Cobra. Long hood line,the cockpit way back. Great lines. With that low mileage when you do get around to selling it I’d expect you’ll get a premium price for it. Most of them still on the road will have had the crap beaten out of them. Kids don’t have any respect for nice cars.they like to take them to drifting events and pound on them. I’d keep it as long as you can still get into it,you probably feel about yours the way I felt about my BMW E 30 M-3. I kick myself for selling it,wonderful sports car.
The best sport roadster ever made 🙌
Honda needs to bring this back, it’ll sell like crazy
It rumoured yes
It really won't. Miata sells ~9000 a year. Civic Type R ~5000-6000 a year. Supra, 6000 a year. BRZ-86 ~5500 last year (combined). Sports cars don't really sell well compared to the eco-box cousins on the lot
If it came back as a CUV it would sell well but nobody is interested in 2-seater sports cars.
Sold my 07 in 2019, regretted it and bought an 06 with 23k miles for 30k!! But it's beyond clean and I'm just glad to be back in one.
Last week alone, the s2k price went up by 1.5k each (at least in each dealership) around the area and the ads. I wonder if they are all in cahoots.
Had a '03 and had my eye on getting a '06+ but no longer worth it after price rocketed on these. Picked up a '09 Cayman instead.
Future classic.
Future? How about present day classic
Personally, I want my outboard tires planted firmly. The car must get the inboard tires in the game. I've only been driving Honda hatchbacks since they were available. I like it. Rails, man.
Found one with a rebuilt title. 130,000 miles for 10k. Checking it out today
Buyers guide - buy one
I want one so bad, im glad im from the uk
The Honda S2000 ROCKS man
Crazy how the car this guy is reviewing looks and sounds exactly like mines. Guess I no longer need to do a RUclips video....buy one now before prices go up due to hyperinflation
I love my S2000!
I'm on my 3rd NA Miata and I'm heavily considering to sell and get myself an s2k butttt na Miatas have been sky rocketing too and I can't have both so I'm in a predicament. I love everything about the s2k though and I'd love to just rip it trough canyons, city
I owned a white 2003 NB2 Miata before my S2K. The Miata was a great car for what it is but the S2K is really an upgrade. Everything great about the Miata the S2K can do and do it better. No bias, just my experience and personal opinion.
I remember the "experts" on reddit saying these cars will never be collectible...geniuses.
I bought 00 s2k last year w/32k miles. Probably should keep it for a bit. Interesting to see how high these go in value years from now.
“ The AP2 is the better car, the Ap1 is the better S2000 “.
Here in the UK it is Ap1 only but with the ap2 upgrades except the engine after 2004.. I have a 2008 15`000 mile example and love it..
Mostly accurate review/ guide but coming from a guy who has owned around a dozen S2K’s new and old. Go with the AP2 with the slightly lower redline. AP2’s are classified as 2004+ Model Years. (2004-2009)
Works for me, but the AP2 cars might not a realistic choice for everyone as they cost more than the AP1 cars and the difference in prices between the two has continued to increase over the past couple of years. For buyers that find themselves torn, I'd say that it's far better to get into an AP1 car than no S2000 at all. If it ends up not working out, just sell the car later on for a profit.
Why do you say that? What exactly contributes to that choice?
Snap oversteer can be reduced by wider tires, better tires and experimenting with the tire pressures.
I sold my 07 because the top was coming apart and the insurance was too much lol. What I traded it in for back in 2011 was almost what I bought it for used. Since then the price of it went up. I wish I would have kept it.
Looking to buy my first next week! AP1
This makes it more hard to get rid of my ABP AP1 S2K :/ .. Good review though! :D
This car is so amazing. It's great to drive. Looks amazing. Turns heads. Prices are still going up
Still a timeless beauty. Honda's S2000 aged really well. 👍
Original Owner here... sitting in my garage under a cover is an '01 Silverstone, with red seats....30K miles... never touched rain.... its in better than showroom condition
Would you consider selling the vehicle? Regards!
Dag nab it.. now this video is gonna make them even more elusive and more expensive to buy! Tks.. I was a secret.
j/k great review.. now .. find me one.
can you guys do a 240z buyers guide please and thank you...
You nailed it🤙💯
Hagerty making the highest quality content these days 🙌🏼
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I’ve had 3 and I can’t imagine ever selling this one. I’ve never heard anyone who doesn’t like them except a few motoring journalists criticising the lack of bottom end grunt. Un breakable machines which get a really surprising amount of attention.
Those motoring journalists are probably punks who've never owned a sports car
Mazda perfected the British sports car and Honda said hold my beer.
I can say that my s2000 never ever let me down
Buyers guide on the Honda Prelude !!
I saw these in the early 2000's, but I went with the SRT4. I wanted something a little quicker.
I’ve been waiting for this lol
I loved the video, but I think the title should be flashback reviews or something like that.
Not a bad review, but it glosses over the handling of the ap1 vs ap2. AP1 has more tendency to steer with the throttle near the limit, which was intentionally designed in. It requires skill and a delicate touch, but I love that responsiveness in my 2002.
just a question on AP1 vs AP2 handling.. I happen to have an AP1, but I'm driving with AP2 size wheels (215, 245). I haven't found the car loose at all, indeed it grips like crazy until it doesnt. I wouldn't mind LESS grip to be honest so it would be a bit more predictable.
I wonder do you think the wheels itself is enough to make this difference in driving feel?
I’ve owned mine since new 04 , very reliable, 103,000 km and I’ve only replaced the front brake pads at 80,000 km , I’m wondering how much higher in value will they go?
They will go down fast. Along all regular cars. Thanks to people believing in that Greta puppet
@@endlesstwisties Greta the evil biatch' :)))
Great content
I know this will get some owners in a twist but there is only ONE TRUE s2000 and that is the F20c 9k redline. The s2000 monicker derives itself from the 2.O liter engine (not that it was released in year 2000), so s2200 would be what the 2.2 liter should be named. The F20c was named the Best Naturally Aspirated Engine of All Time in Car and Driver because it is an engineering marvel. The 2.2l is a diluted s2000.
I own both the AP1 and AP2 and I love them both. The 9k rpm on the AP1 is awesome but the 8k on the AP2 is just as exciting. The steering on the AP1 is much tighter and in my opinion better but the 9 ft pound torque on the AP2 really makes a difference at low rpm. I would not say the AP2 is a "diluted" version. It's a "refined" version, which doesn't make it better or worst. If you want a more daily driver, everyday kind of car, the AP2. If you want a track (focus) car, the AP1. That being said, the AP2 is just as capable of a track car as the AP1 and the AP1 is capable of a daily driver as the AP2.
Sam: looking forward to something with torque after that 2CV. Hagerty: well....
I hope one day I can own one. Preferably an AP1
I used to have one in the exact same colour as this back in the 2000s. Probably the best car I ever owned. Gearshift is unmatched, handling was like a go cart. But, at just over 6 foot tall, the car is too small for me. The steering wheel is in your knees and the top of the windscreen is too low. Surprised the reviewer didn't mention any of that. The car is built for small Japanese people.
I'm nearly 6'1" and dont understand the cramped complaints. Even on longer drives I find it to be fine. It's not my daily though, and it never would be used for such things.
@@SnickterP every car review of the S2000 always mentions that it's cramped inside. How can you say it's not an issue?
@@mrnicktoyou Ok, it's no Honda Element as far as its interior goes, thats for sure! But for someone going for a pure joyride, driving it like it should be driven, there is plenty of space to be buckled in for that! Granted, I'm also 180 lbs, so I'm fairly slender, and I'm sure that goes a long way to feeling at home in the car. You have to position the seat just right and I think it's fine. Even my knees don't hit anything.
The S2000 is the car equivalent of a Honda CBR. Fast and fun but you have to rev the snot out of it to fully enjoy it.
And how much fun it is to rev the snot out of! Love my ‘05!
Do you have a video about the '00-'03 BMW Z3 3.0 Roadster?
An S2000 cost around USD 50,000 in Malaysia and over USD 100,000 in Singapore.
I bought my S2000 five years ago with 33k miles. Now has 108k. And would def not sell it for $20k.
Back then we have:
S2000
Prelude
Integra type R
Civic type R
Accord type R
NSX
Now only Civic type R 😭
And new Nsx. Best Supercar ever build from Japanese manufacturers
Do a video on the lexus sc300
I like this guy
In France goods S2K are approaching 25.000 to 30.000 EUR now.
I have mint condition 2002 S2000. I’m the original owner, with 8400 miles on it, yes 8400. Everything original stock. Just waiting for a collector to find out about it someday. It has been a prized possession for 20 years now, and a real treat every time I’ve driven her.
If you can find one, definitely buy it. You won’t regret it. Have fun!
Woul you consider selling her? Regards!
@@jasonscotta7129 I’m considering selling her. I would ask a price that perhaps fits a collectors price. If that’s you I’d be happy to talk further.
@@paulhester2588 Completely understandable. What’s the color combination?
@@jasonscotta7129 Hi Jason. It’s Berlina Black on black.
@@paulhester2588 Okay, what’s your ballpark number you have in mind?
we had an S2000 in the body shop a few days ago with some front end damage. I hope I get the job. I want to test drive it when it's done. I had to move it the other day and it was hard to get in and out of. but when I got in it fit like a glove. we don't get many cool cars in. the last one was a red first gen BMW M3. awesome
6:48 if you listen to that noise with your eyes closed, you're going to be Ayrton Senna at Tamburello :/