Like he said. It tells you it hasn't been abused or been in an accident and not reported. You'd be surprised how often that happens. (Not reporting to the insurance so it keeps a clean carfax)
This is the most heartbreaking Hagerty episode I’ve ever seen… not due to the quality of the episode, but simply due to seeing an absolutely beautiful car being sent off to a violent end. 😢
@@jub07 Tongue-in-cheek. I'm not sure I've ever seen an S2000 turned into a race car survive for very long. LOL! Personally, I'd prefer to take a salvage-titled S2000 that's in decent shape racing rather than ruin a car that could potentially be an "investment opportunity" as its popularity and price continues higher. I know from personal experience there are TONS of salvage-titled S2000s out there. LOL!
@@GetIrked The issue I see is that salvage title s2000s are still stupidly expensive. By the time you get one and remediate its issues, you're likely to spend as much as you would on a clean one. As mentioned in this video, there's also issues that you can't fix. All parts are so expensive now, buying a questionable one for $15k is an expensive gamble. Dude also didn't say it's going to be a race car. My car is at the level that it has full bolt-ons (coilovers, wheels, exhaust, intake, tune, etc.). It could easily be reverted back to stock but I rather enjoy it this way. I autocross the car and the mods enhance everything I enjoy about it. A well modded track car is hardly "butchering" it. I'd call a stanced out POS butchering it but I don't think the one in the video is going in that direction. You can make it a good HPDE car that is still a fun street car and not "butchered." I don't think an 80k mile S2k is a good investment opportunity. Even if it goes up some, it's not going to be a $200k car and cars have a much higher opportunity cost and maintenance expense than other investment assets. It's appreciation/value is moreso that you could own it for a few years and not lose money. Having a fun car is not about increasing your net worth on a piece of paper. It's about enjoying the experiences the car allows you to have.
@@jub07 Actually, Colin specifically says Chris is going to make it into a race car at 3:45. Maybe Colin meant that metaphorically-speaking and not literally. I have no problems with anyone modding their own car, the whole "you do you" approach, but if Chris really does intend to make the S2000 into a race car, I wouldn't start with one so cherry.
@@sulkmahidonkeydek3424 80k miles on a 18 Y.O car isnt alot of miles that car isnt broken in so thats under 5 miles per year on average the average american drives 14 miles per year thats basically a new car
I bought a 2000 S2000 in 2004. I thought it was a good car but not a great car. I was wrong, great car, nothing like it, still have it, will never sell it and still today am amazed how a high production car is in such high demand with the price only going up.
Can't you people just enjoy something? It's a nice car but it's an 80k mile Honda that has repainted front and rear bumpers. I love these cars and happy to see them being appreciated and recognized but this is ridiculous. Is he supposed to put the car in a retirement home? Wrap it up in an airtight vacuum and never use it so that someone 50 years from now can stare at it through plastic? It'd be a travesty if they pulled it out too I guess. Glad people are appreciating them but people thinking of these things as a collector car and that enjoying them is "butchering" them is really weird. The reason they're so respected is for punching above their weight class on track and being Honda reliable while doing it. It's like forcing an athlete into a modeling career because you don't want them to get hurt.
@@newtypena The people disagreeing with my original comment is fine but there's plenty of Honda S2000s with title issues and other problems that would be better suited to be modified for whatever the owner wants to do. Why not rebuild one with a tarnished title or something like that?
Those storage bags are worth huge money, generally about 250-300 a piece. The headrest speaker set is worth 500+. Suzuka Blue cars, especially Suzuka Blue over full blue actually tend to be slightly lower in value in the S2000 community as they're just not a fan of it compared to the other colors. 10 of 10 VINs help it's case, but the paintwork knocks it down a notch.
The reason why it's still worth 30k ironically is because owners like this one take them out of "all original condition" circulation by modifying them making the remaining examples retain or increase in value. You can easily modify an s2000 to make it better/faster/more fun and still keep all the original parts in a shed to reverse it back to stock if you want to but, it's only "all original" once. Enjoy the car.
Exactly. To me original is in every sense, meaning that the last time it was messed with was at the factory, and only things done outside of it were the routine maintenance and consumables. For someone to modify it and then putting it back to stock, that is no longer original. It was molested!
I disagree original car has all the original matching numbers parts. Cars are meant to be driven so if you want to drive the car daily or a lot and save an engine let’s say pulling it and preserving it for later is a good thing instead of a catastrophic failure out of your hands taking out the original engine for good so it can never be original again.
I paid 16k for my 2001 S2000, 92K miles clean title. Has expensive parts on there like Ohlin coilovers, half roll cage, titanium exhaust, and more. It also came with two extra set of wheels and tires for the circuit and 3 brand new sets of race brake pads. The guy I bought it from modified it for track use and only ran it once at Grid Life for a couple hours and had to sell it because he found out a baby was on the way.
In this market, I was expecting the appraisal to be like 50 or 60 grand. Goes to show that just because prices are high doesn't mean people are buying.
While I agree the appraised value was "fair" . . . S2000's are still undervalued relative to other 2 seat roadsters. IMO the S2000 is one of the all-time greats.
We live in the land of the free so if you have the money you can pretty much do whatever you want however just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Light mods make a huge difference on the AP2. Depends how far they go but just springs/shocks and square setup wheels/tires turn the car into something even more wild. Stock engine is plenty to get in trouble.
As a Honda freak (99 Civic Si insured with Hagerty) and a cycling freak, this video appeals to me greatly 😃 Value seems consistent with Bringatrailer sales.
I worked for a Honda dealer for a couple of years, when the AP2s were out, and got to drive one, and an AP1. The sound of that engine at 10K RPM is something I hope I never forget! A masterpiece! ❤❤❤
Love these. Always learn something. Great delivery on the bad news btw! Colin must know the Dale Carnegie rule of thumb! Kill ‘em with kindness 1st then deliver the blow! Haaa! Great series Hagerty! Home run
The impact that that the original paint color has on the price of a S2000 can be fairly significant. The Suzuka Blue cars like this one have generally been relative bargains compared to the more rare color combinations. Overall I thought Colin provided a lot of good food for thought, as he usually does in this series.
@@kevinmejia8082 it is garage kept and has never seen rain or a wet road. He applies Shinitsu grease on the weather strip and gaskets once a year. It is very well taken care of. I believe with the color, option combo and mileage it might be a unicorn.
I’m the second owner of a Silverstone 2004 S2000, all stock with original factory hardtop and 98K. Paid $16,500 for it in July 2012. I absolutely LOVE this car just as much today as the day I got it. Not a daily driver. Garage kept. My other chariot is a 2013 Camaro. That one gets most of the road.
interesting to see all the OEM purists - I get the appreciation for it being completely stock OEM but at the same time it's his car now - he can enjoy it however he wants. I've got a 2003 Suzuka with ~ 44k miles on it that is nearly finished becoming my vision of 'OEM Plus" that I'd had over a decade ago with my first S2000 - a 2002 Suzuka that I stupidly sold 7 years ago. I still have the original parts in case I wanted to revert to full stock but so far I'm loving driving my younger self's dream as a weekend canyon cruiser. To each their own - I just feel bad seeing these examples that spend their entire lives in garages rather than being driven.
I was a bit sad to hear this car getting modded at first but then it does have 80k miles. Owner might as well enjoy it the way he sees fit. Crazy I sold mine two years ago same color same year for $16k…mine had 78k miles
I had a 2003 silver with black top one that had an exhaust, intake and had been lowered a bit. I did really enjoy it but looking back I would have rather had a very clean stock like this one. My first car was an RX-7 which I miss as well, they were two cars you don't see on the road anymore.
Ugh, I sold my 2002 S2000 and I still regret it. Thing was bone stock, 52k miles. OEM hardtop, side strakes, rear spoiler, front lip. Even had the headrest speakers like this one. Was going to get a CR hard tonneau and the VGS steering wheel from Japan but…I also wanted my first 911. Only car I ever regret selling. New owner got hit while parked 3 weeks later. 🥺😭
Was always going to be the car that I buy next, but prices here in Australia went crazy $50,000US for nice ones, at that point I figured I may as well get a lotus exige for that money. Now I’m not sure if I’ll ever get one as I don’t think they are worth that kind of price.
@@xkimopye Honestly, I think it is? Not sure of the exchange rate right now, but the price given in this video seems awful optimistic. Know it’s tough to think about dropping ~$35k USD on one, but if it’s showroom floor-condition, you can rest assured knowing it’ll only be worth more, should the need to sell it arise.
@@dannymac6368 yeah no doubt it is worth that money, but then at that kind of money there are some other damn good cars you can buy as well. Unfortunately most sports cars in Australia are very expensive, usually about double the price of the US or UK Maybe one day, we’ll see.
I can tell Conlin is really disappointed when he knew the car is gonna be butchered. He doesn't speak as motivated as before and you can really see that.
I own a year 2000, S2000 AP1 stock, in good condition. The new car price window sticker stored in the owners manual says it sold new, in Lakeland Florida, for $39,000 dollars. I think $25,000 to $36,000 are reasonable prices as of 2022. The value of the dollar is probably about 1/2 of what its value was in 2000. I think the S-2000 drives as close to a Ferrari as the average guy can afford.
it's incredible how much they cost in the US where you have the most, half of the total production really. When I bought mine in 2018 the prices were way more crazy in Europe where you really seldom see them (except for the UK where they had the most in Europe and they cost the less worldwide, but yes, some of them are rusty). Now they are probably more expensive in the US. I bought mine with 20k miles (40k km) and I modified it and plan to continue to do so but without butchering it! The car is actually very good as it is if you only use it on the road, if you track it you appreciate the mods. I have Recaro RSG and Ohlins on mine. If you mod it with quality parts there is a good payback! If I hadn't modified it I'd probably have already moved to something else. ciao
Awful color. I skipped 3 good ones because of that Suzuka blue. Mine is Monte Carlo blue and i am not fascinated by this either but still better than Suzuka blue
@@endlesstwisties Laguna blue, Rio Yellow, that racing red or smth and Suzuka blue are the best imo Like do you even have a concept of a roadster/GT in your mind? How can you don't like that. And don't get me started on that... 3 Mints with THE color?! Insane. Still it's a great privilege to be owner of a S2000, so congrats man, but RHD cars are dealbreakers for me.
I noticed that too. Appears bumper was repainted. Appraiser mentioned that. But its still original bumper, so it couldn't have been much damage. Its difficult to get a good match to steel (or aluminum, as this hood is) with a metallic paint on plastic bumper. But it can be done. My guess is outside in sun the match looks good. But the studio lighting brings out differences you normally wouldn't see.
It’s a shame anyone would modify this beautiful car, l had the honor of owning one and it was a blast if I ever modified mine l would have left it looking stock.
Personally i don't think their worth the money. Besides the beautiful high revving engine which is the main reason you would get one. Parts availability is now a huge issue with everything being backorder/discontinued. Most of these parts are s2k specific and don't share with other models. The car is 15+ years old and will need stuff like rubber seals, etc. I can't see the value going any higher than it is (though i might be wrong) when a new BRZ or Miata is worth about the same
@@wesd991 I’m not a two seater fan so Miata and brz out of the question. I like hatches or 4 door but yeah s2000 just for the engine is a start lol I’m looking either Fiesta ST, EP3 Civic,Mazdaspeed 3, 350/370z I would like something fun
There's no stereo speakers in the headrest on the 2004 models for the S2000. That came later on in I think the 2006 or 2007. Someone correct me if I am wrong. That 'black mesh' in the headrest is just that... a plastic mesh
Anyone else watch this and cringe at no blue OEM oil filter? BTW, this is literally the identical twin sister from my s2000 a couple years ago. 80k miles, suzuka blue, 2004. In fact, I had to pause it on a close up shot in the engine bay to compare the paint scratches on the valve cover to make sure it wasn't mine.
They actually never had headrest speakers from the factory. In 2006 Honda started adding speakers to the roll bars behind the headrest, one on each side of your head. I can tell you from experience, they don’t do much 😅
I would disagree. Paint fades differently on plastic than metal and it spent 18 years in California sun. You can notice the same fading issue on 2000s Renaults
I bought my silver 2005 s2000 with 163k miles 9 out of 10 vins present, front bumper was resprayed once but still the original bumper, one adult owner in january 2019 for $8700.. I spent so many nights detailing the interior engine bay to perfection, exterior 3 step paint correction… spent a little over $2000 in oem parts (when they were available).. almost three years It has 164400 miles and runs prefectly fine.. there is nothing like keeping original..
I have a 06 laguna blue Pearl with 55k and have all 10 vins I’m doing a OCD restoration with tasteful mods. Nothing that can’t be reversed. But I don’t understand taking a clean car and chopping it up for a race car/track car. Just grab a high mileage S2K and send it. It’s a Honda last forever and reliable. There are plenty of good examples that would be great candidates without dropping 30k to start the build. But to each is own his car his build. They don’t make cars like this anymore raw power drivers car. Not the fastest but you better know what your doing if you wanna have fun with it especially AP1’s
Wow. I didn’t know they were worth that much used. I have a 00 with 52k miles. Bought new and then left it in the garage when I deployed and never really got back into it. If it wasn’t for my 7 year old who loves the car in Gran Turismo I would have sold it already.
Can't believe that he's going to turn it into a race car, there's something wrong with the colour of the front bumper, it looks faded or resprayed, Rj in Oz
@@ekscalybur They were LOW back in 2010, but have been creeping up steadily for years and then they went way up during the pandemic (just like so many other enthusiast cars). I bought a 2004 S2000 in 2009 for $13k USD, which was $13k CAD at the time. Now that car would be about $35k CAD, which is some damn good appreciation, but putting that same money into an S&P 500 index fund would have yielded better returns without any running costs. People think cars are investments, but they aren't- even an S2k like this that exploded in value.
@@bradcomis1066 My Dad was thinking about getting an AP1 back in 2010 and I went with him to look at one that was listed for 14k. It was really clean but he got cold feet and didn't feel he could justify it. I told him he'd probably struggle to find a better deal than that. He's brought it up a few times since.
@@dln.sweeney Life is full of regrets! Hahaha Cars were really cheap post '08 financial crash. Since the economy is about to tank again I think it will be a good time to buy cars again within a year or two.
While I love the car, good luck on finding one that hasn't been rodded to near death. ;) I wouldn't pay as much as many ask for that very reason. Same goes for WRX's in general. That said, it is a great car with a fantastic engine.
Does not seem like mods depreciate this cars value, i been looking at buying one and they are all expensive now regardless of mods or not.. they higher ones are lower miles.
Well pick one up recently 2004 model, grand prix white with 102k miles for 26500.. clean title and mint condition, tan interior.. white s2ks seem to have an added premium to them on price because of how rare they are.
@@z32luvr I had a clean '02 that I bought in 2013 w/47k for $13,000 and sold in 2016 w/70k for $13,900. Appreciating in recent years =/= never depreciated.
Uhhh but S2000s did depreciate, they depreciated for many years, for a long time you could get a decent one in the teens and a great one in the 20s, then they went back up. Not to mention Hagerty didn't catch on to the original values of these. From a financial sense I didn't especially guess these would rocket up either, but indirectly this is one of those "cars I really liked" and 90% of those have become collectibles in the last 20 years.
Yeah that's not the car to use for making a race car. There are other examples that would be far better candidates. It may be his dog in his yard, but it doesn't mean that that idea isn't totally ignorant.
Wonder what I can sell my 2000 S2000 for it has 78k miles Silverstone metallic all vins match I'm the 3rd owner . The two previous owners were brothers and in their late 60s so never beat on the car. It has OEM hardtop but in chicane silver I believe which is rare and I know easily sell for 4k+
$30k is about right, slightly on the high side but that’s what you pay for a clean version. The thing people should know is that conditions and miles don’t make a huge price difference anymore, go up to 34-35k and you can maybe find a 30-40k miles mint condition one. A 120-150k miles example will still run you 25-26k
Crazy how almost 20 years ago now Hagerty personally told me that "Japanese imports would never be collectible".
I mean I understand at some points in life you need money but you know.... the whole selling this gem thing is painful
No one can predict the future. Unless you're a master at studying the stars and planets and such lol.
@@rickym.5271 Yes and that's why it's best not to make Ignorant comments... so your point is I'm right?
@@MattMatt77 someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
@@rickym.5271 Is your name Ricky or Karen?
I can't imagine paying a premium for an extra clean(-ish) car just to turn it into a track car. Doesn't make much sense.
Like he said. It tells you it hasn't been abused or been in an accident and not reported. You'd be surprised how often that happens. (Not reporting to the insurance so it keeps a clean carfax)
It’s a real sin. Not at all intelligent... 😥
This is the most heartbreaking Hagerty episode I’ve ever seen… not due to the quality of the episode, but simply due to seeing an absolutely beautiful car being sent off to a violent end. 😢
No doubt. I'm "irked" too.
Lol, "Being sent off to a violent end". This sarcasm?
@@jub07 Tongue-in-cheek. I'm not sure I've ever seen an S2000 turned into a race car survive for very long. LOL!
Personally, I'd prefer to take a salvage-titled S2000 that's in decent shape racing rather than ruin a car that could potentially be an "investment opportunity" as its popularity and price continues higher.
I know from personal experience there are TONS of salvage-titled S2000s out there. LOL!
@@GetIrked The issue I see is that salvage title s2000s are still stupidly expensive. By the time you get one and remediate its issues, you're likely to spend as much as you would on a clean one. As mentioned in this video, there's also issues that you can't fix. All parts are so expensive now, buying a questionable one for $15k is an expensive gamble.
Dude also didn't say it's going to be a race car. My car is at the level that it has full bolt-ons (coilovers, wheels, exhaust, intake, tune, etc.). It could easily be reverted back to stock but I rather enjoy it this way. I autocross the car and the mods enhance everything I enjoy about it. A well modded track car is hardly "butchering" it. I'd call a stanced out POS butchering it but I don't think the one in the video is going in that direction. You can make it a good HPDE car that is still a fun street car and not "butchered."
I don't think an 80k mile S2k is a good investment opportunity. Even if it goes up some, it's not going to be a $200k car and cars have a much higher opportunity cost and maintenance expense than other investment assets. It's appreciation/value is moreso that you could own it for a few years and not lose money. Having a fun car is not about increasing your net worth on a piece of paper. It's about enjoying the experiences the car allows you to have.
@@jub07 Actually, Colin specifically says Chris is going to make it into a race car at 3:45. Maybe Colin meant that metaphorically-speaking and not literally.
I have no problems with anyone modding their own car, the whole "you do you" approach, but if Chris really does intend to make the S2000 into a race car, I wouldn't start with one so cherry.
You can tell the previous owner loved their car. Looks great. Would love one! Hopefully one day lol
It’s criminal to modify this clean, original car!
Yeah, its not broken in,
I’d buy one of these if it were in these conditions
Because alotta them are clapped out
Most id do is coilovers ohlins.
80k miles nah. maybe if it were under 20k
@@odoroussmegma2191 He works for KW, one of the best at coilovers, so I get him, he's trying to make the most out of the position he is in.
@@sulkmahidonkeydek3424 80k miles on a 18 Y.O car isnt alot of miles
that car isnt broken in
so thats under 5 miles per year on average
the average american drives 14 miles per year
thats basically a new car
I bought a 2000 S2000 in 2004. I thought it was a good car but not a great car. I was wrong, great car, nothing like it, still have it, will never sell it and still today am amazed how a high production car is in such high demand with the price only going up.
ND2 Miata
A crying shame that such an original S2000 is going to be butchered. You definitely used the right word.
@TwinTurbo Ray just like buying a dog with your own money and then cut his legs because is yours...
Can't you people just enjoy something? It's a nice car but it's an 80k mile Honda that has repainted front and rear bumpers. I love these cars and happy to see them being appreciated and recognized but this is ridiculous. Is he supposed to put the car in a retirement home? Wrap it up in an airtight vacuum and never use it so that someone 50 years from now can stare at it through plastic? It'd be a travesty if they pulled it out too I guess.
Glad people are appreciating them but people thinking of these things as a collector car and that enjoying them is "butchering" them is really weird. The reason they're so respected is for punching above their weight class on track and being Honda reliable while doing it. It's like forcing an athlete into a modeling career because you don't want them to get hurt.
@@jub07 thank you!! yes...this.
@@newtypena The people disagreeing with my original comment is fine but there's plenty of Honda S2000s with title issues and other problems that would be better suited to be modified for whatever the owner wants to do. Why not rebuild one with a tarnished title or something like that?
Those storage bags are worth huge money, generally about 250-300 a piece. The headrest speaker set is worth 500+. Suzuka Blue cars, especially Suzuka Blue over full blue actually tend to be slightly lower in value in the S2000 community as they're just not a fan of it compared to the other colors. 10 of 10 VINs help it's case, but the paintwork knocks it down a notch.
Such a good looking car!!!! Please DO NOT ruin it!!!!
The reason why it's still worth 30k ironically is because owners like this one take them out of "all original condition" circulation by modifying them making the remaining examples retain or increase in value. You can easily modify an s2000 to make it better/faster/more fun and still keep all the original parts in a shed to reverse it back to stock if you want to but, it's only "all original" once. Enjoy the car.
Exactly. To me original is in every sense, meaning that the last time it was messed with was at the factory, and only things done outside of it were the routine maintenance and consumables.
For someone to modify it and then putting it back to stock, that is no longer original. It was molested!
I disagree original car has all the original matching numbers parts. Cars are meant to be driven so if you want to drive the car daily or a lot and save an engine let’s say pulling it and preserving it for later is a good thing instead of a catastrophic failure out of your hands taking out the original engine for good so it can never be original again.
I paid 16k for my 2001 S2000, 92K miles clean title. Has expensive parts on there like Ohlin coilovers, half roll cage, titanium exhaust, and more. It also came with two extra set of wheels and tires for the circuit and 3 brand new sets of race brake pads. The guy I bought it from modified it for track use and only ran it once at Grid Life for a couple hours and had to sell it because he found out a baby was on the way.
In this market, I was expecting the appraisal to be like 50 or 60 grand. Goes to show that just because prices are high doesn't mean people are buying.
Great to see all the fantastic cycling pictures and the jerseys hanging on the wall that’s very very cool
Yes! A fellow cyclist / car lover lol
Love the dig on how the honda re-sell scene used to be. So true that it was hard to know if parts being sold were legit or not back in the day
While I agree the appraised value was "fair" . . . S2000's are still undervalued relative to other 2 seat roadsters. IMO the S2000 is one of the all-time greats.
You can tell Colin hates that the dude is modifying this car. I'm with him, it should be illegal to do so.
We live in the land of the free so if you have the money you can pretty much do whatever you want however just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Light mods make a huge difference on the AP2. Depends how far they go but just springs/shocks and square setup wheels/tires turn the car into something even more wild. Stock engine is plenty to get in trouble.
Love the appraisal videos.
As a Honda freak (99 Civic Si insured with Hagerty) and a cycling freak, this video appeals to me greatly 😃
Value seems consistent with Bringatrailer sales.
I still love this car 🤩
I worked for a Honda dealer for a couple of years, when the AP2s were out, and got to drive one, and an AP1. The sound of that engine at 10K RPM is something I hope I never forget! A masterpiece! ❤❤❤
They rev to 9k.
Good job, really a in-depth guide for S2000~
Love these. Always learn something. Great delivery on the bad news btw! Colin must know the Dale Carnegie rule of thumb! Kill ‘em with kindness 1st then deliver the blow! Haaa! Great series Hagerty! Home run
Who's garage is this? All that cycling memorabilia is impressive. Oh, yeah.. The S2k is beautiful as well.
Only a few US riders wore the rainbow stripes. I don't think any Americans rode for Rabobank and Tinkoff. I want to know too.
That paint is in ridiculously good condition GOODNESS
The mismatch paint of the front and rear bumper is bothering the crap out of me.
The impact that that the original paint color has on the price of a S2000 can be fairly significant. The Suzuka Blue cars like this one have generally been relative bargains compared to the more rare color combinations. Overall I thought Colin provided a lot of good food for thought, as he usually does in this series.
Grand prix white has a premium to them, specially the 04 and 05 with tan interiors.
The guys that need to be on an S2000 video are Jason Cammisa and Randy Pobst.
They'll have to pry mine from my cold dead body
My dad has a 2005 Suzuka blue with optional blue top and less than 20k. It still smells new. It is unmodified and dealer maintained
God bless your dad and the car! Hope he takes good care of it and it ends up in your hands
@@kevinmejia8082 it is garage kept and has never seen rain or a wet road. He applies Shinitsu grease on the weather strip and gaskets once a year. It is very well taken care of. I believe with the color, option combo and mileage it might be a unicorn.
sell it to me
Nice work 👍
I’d pay 50k for how clean this is. You cannot find another s2k that’s this clean for sale.
Yes you can specially for 50k..
I love how much people would just sell it after this. My man is about to get dirty
I’m the second owner of a Silverstone 2004 S2000, all stock with original factory hardtop and 98K.
Paid $16,500 for it in July 2012. I absolutely LOVE this car just as much today as the day I got it. Not a daily driver. Garage kept. My other chariot is a 2013 Camaro. That one gets most of the road.
interesting to see all the OEM purists - I get the appreciation for it being completely stock OEM but at the same time it's his car now - he can enjoy it however he wants. I've got a 2003 Suzuka with ~ 44k miles on it that is nearly finished becoming my vision of 'OEM Plus" that I'd had over a decade ago with my first S2000 - a 2002 Suzuka that I stupidly sold 7 years ago. I still have the original parts in case I wanted to revert to full stock but so far I'm loving driving my younger self's dream as a weekend canyon cruiser. To each their own - I just feel bad seeing these examples that spend their entire lives in garages rather than being driven.
'Butcher' is an accurate term for modding an original S2000. Modding one is about like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
I was a bit sad to hear this car getting modded at first but then it does have 80k miles. Owner might as well enjoy it the way he sees fit. Crazy I sold mine two years ago same color same year for $16k…mine had 78k miles
Timeless design
I had a 2003 silver with black top one that had an exhaust, intake and had been lowered a bit. I did really enjoy it but looking back I would have rather had a very clean stock like this one. My first car was an RX-7 which I miss as well, they were two cars you don't see on the road anymore.
nice chopard watch! big fan of those!
I would keep it original, its very clean
Ugh, I sold my 2002 S2000 and I still regret it. Thing was bone stock, 52k miles. OEM hardtop, side strakes, rear spoiler, front lip. Even had the headrest speakers like this one.
Was going to get a CR hard tonneau and the VGS steering wheel from Japan but…I also wanted my first 911. Only car I ever regret selling.
New owner got hit while parked 3 weeks later. 🥺😭
Was always going to be the car that I buy next, but prices here in Australia went crazy $50,000US for nice ones, at that point I figured I may as well get a lotus exige for that money. Now I’m not sure if I’ll ever get one as I don’t think they are worth that kind of price.
@@xkimopye Honestly, I think it is? Not sure of the exchange rate right now, but the price given in this video seems awful optimistic. Know it’s tough to think about dropping ~$35k USD on one, but if it’s showroom floor-condition, you can rest assured knowing it’ll only be worth more, should the need to sell it arise.
Everyone that sells theirs regrets it.
Everyone that sells theirs regrets it.
@@dannymac6368 yeah no doubt it is worth that money, but then at that kind of money there are some other damn good cars you can buy as well.
Unfortunately most sports cars in Australia are very expensive, usually about double the price of the US or UK
Maybe one day, we’ll see.
Man, that really used to be someones baby, everything perfect and in place after 80k miles!
Such a shame...
Grat car I wish the owner keep it original in its condition.
Beautiful car
WOW, 30000, did not expect that number. Buy a boxster for 10000 and keep S2000 stock.
I can tell Conlin is really disappointed when he knew the car is gonna be butchered. He doesn't speak as motivated as before and you can really see that.
I own a year 2000, S2000 AP1 stock, in good condition. The new car price window sticker stored in the owners manual says it sold new, in Lakeland Florida, for $39,000 dollars. I think $25,000 to $36,000 are reasonable prices as of 2022. The value of the dollar is probably about 1/2 of what its value was in 2000. I think the S-2000 drives as close to a Ferrari as the average guy can afford.
im amazed to see the original cover for the cd player lol
S2000 VTEC MY LOVELY HONDA EVER MADE
That is such a clean s2000 i wouldn't even modify it looks great as it is
Anyway I could get into contact with the current owner? I'd love to buy it from him and save it from being modified.
He works for KW, you should be able to figure it out.
I'm sure you'd have to pay more that the 30 he paid, plus tax for it to be worth it for him to start over his search and find another clean car
it's incredible how much they cost in the US where you have the most, half of the total production really. When I bought mine in 2018 the prices were way more crazy in Europe where you really seldom see them (except for the UK where they had the most in Europe and they cost the less worldwide, but yes, some of them are rusty). Now they are probably more expensive in the US. I bought mine with 20k miles (40k km) and I modified it and plan to continue to do so but without butchering it! The car is actually very good as it is if you only use it on the road, if you track it you appreciate the mods. I have Recaro RSG and Ohlins on mine. If you mod it with quality parts there is a good payback! If I hadn't modified it I'd probably have already moved to something else. ciao
One of my main dream cars, THE EXACt COLOR AND IntERIOR ALSO!!!!!!
FFS NO! DON"T TOUCH IT!!! DON"T LET THEM MODIFY IT PLEASE!!!!!
Awful color. I skipped 3 good ones because of that Suzuka blue. Mine is Monte Carlo blue and i am not fascinated by this either but still better than Suzuka blue
@@endlesstwisties Laguna blue, Rio Yellow, that racing red or smth and Suzuka blue are the best imo
Like do you even have a concept of a roadster/GT in your mind? How can you don't like that. And don't get me started on that... 3 Mints with THE color?! Insane.
Still it's a great privilege to be owner of a S2000, so congrats man, but RHD cars are dealbreakers for me.
You could hear the literal pain in his voice the whole episode.
Is it normal for the bumpers to be a different shade of blue than the rest of the car? Have they been repainted?
I noticed that too. Appears bumper was repainted. Appraiser mentioned that. But its still original bumper, so it couldn't have been much damage.
Its difficult to get a good match to steel (or aluminum, as this hood is) with a metallic paint on plastic bumper. But it can be done.
My guess is outside in sun the match looks good. But the studio lighting brings out differences you normally wouldn't see.
It is worth WHATEVER the buyer is willing to pay for it
It’s a shame anyone would modify this beautiful car, l had the honor of owning one and it was a blast if I ever modified mine l would have left it looking stock.
Can't help but notice all the frames cycling jerseys on the wall- who's the bike fanatic?
Haha I noticed too!
Everyone is liie "don't hurt the nice car". I'm like "let's Rocket Bunny this biatch!"
Prices on these have went up are these worth purchasing in 2022??
Personally i don't think their worth the money. Besides the beautiful high revving engine which is the main reason you would get one. Parts availability is now a huge issue with everything being backorder/discontinued. Most of these parts are s2k specific and don't share with other models. The car is 15+ years old and will need stuff like rubber seals, etc. I can't see the value going any higher than it is (though i might be wrong) when a new BRZ or Miata is worth about the same
@@wesd991 I’m not a two seater fan so Miata and brz out of the question. I like hatches or 4 door but yeah s2000 just for the engine is a start lol I’m looking either Fiesta ST, EP3 Civic,Mazdaspeed 3, 350/370z I would like something fun
What’s with the weird stitched in steering wheel cover? Looks aftermarket
There's no stereo speakers in the headrest on the 2004 models for the S2000. That came later on in I think the 2006 or 2007. Someone correct me if I am wrong. That 'black mesh' in the headrest is just that... a plastic mesh
My 86 CRX had that exact same door chime lol
also thats a $150 service manual in this market for some reason even though it can be found online free
Anyone else watch this and cringe at no blue OEM oil filter? BTW, this is literally the identical twin sister from my s2000 a couple years ago. 80k miles, suzuka blue, 2004. In fact, I had to pause it on a close up shot in the engine bay to compare the paint scratches on the valve cover to make sure it wasn't mine.
Also the green interstate battery
I like the headrest speakers ala '84 Pontiac Fiero.
They actually never had headrest speakers from the factory. In 2006 Honda started adding speakers to the roll bars behind the headrest, one on each side of your head. I can tell you from experience, they don’t do much 😅
My brother-in-law owns 24 of them. On my advice my sister got him to buy them up about 10 years ago.😁
You can tell the front bumper has been re-sprayed also kinda the rear bumper
I would disagree. Paint fades differently on plastic than metal and it spent 18 years in California sun. You can notice the same fading issue on 2000s Renaults
I bought my silver 2005 s2000 with 163k miles 9 out of 10 vins present, front bumper was resprayed once but still the original bumper, one adult owner in january 2019 for $8700.. I spent so many nights detailing the interior engine bay to perfection, exterior 3 step paint correction… spent a little over $2000 in oem parts (when they were available).. almost three years It has 164400 miles and runs prefectly fine.. there is nothing like keeping original..
1k miles in 3 years, at the mileage the car has is not going to lose any more value if you drive it.. enjoy it.
I have a 06 laguna blue Pearl with 55k and have all 10 vins I’m doing a OCD restoration with tasteful mods. Nothing that can’t be reversed. But I don’t understand taking a clean car and chopping it up for a race car/track car. Just grab a high mileage S2K and send it. It’s a Honda last forever and reliable. There are plenty of good examples that would be great candidates without dropping 30k to start the build. But to each is own his car his build. They don’t make cars like this anymore raw power drivers car. Not the fastest but you better know what your doing if you wanna have fun with it especially AP1’s
I remember I bought my s2k notice how slow it was so I turbo charged it after 4months lol
Now I love the car haha
Excellent...my S2000 just got a whee bit more valuable...keep "butchering" them!
This guy paid 30…crap ones are 20 you can’t blame him!
I have a near stock 06 AP2 in great condition, clean title and only 44k miles... wonder what I can get for it now
If you really owned one, you'd know the value of it.
$35k to $50k.
Depends on the color and shape but between 26-35k.
I’d say around 28k.
Low to mid-30's... even into the 40's if its a desirable color combo.
Wow. I didn’t know they were worth that much used. I have a 00 with 52k miles. Bought new and then left it in the garage when I deployed and never really got back into it.
If it wasn’t for my 7 year old who loves the car in Gran Turismo I would have sold it already.
I guess it DID depreciate, but being 20 years old now, it returned to original price, but now in depreciated dollars.
Chris the dip stick
Can't believe that he's going to turn it into a race car, there's something wrong with the colour of the front bumper, it looks faded or resprayed, Rj in Oz
A normal S2000 this clean is good enough. It didn't need to be sacrificed but ok...
Up here in BC Canada pre covid you could buy drivers all day long for $10K. Those days are gone, who knew?
I'm in Canada and have always done national searches. These have been $20K+ for LONG before COVID.
I don't recall S2Ks ever being that affordable that wasn't a busted heap.
@@ekscalybur They were LOW back in 2010, but have been creeping up steadily for years and then they went way up during the pandemic (just like so many other enthusiast cars). I bought a 2004 S2000 in 2009 for $13k USD, which was $13k CAD at the time. Now that car would be about $35k CAD, which is some damn good appreciation, but putting that same money into an S&P 500 index fund would have yielded better returns without any running costs. People think cars are investments, but they aren't- even an S2k like this that exploded in value.
@@bradcomis1066 My Dad was thinking about getting an AP1 back in 2010 and I went with him to look at one that was listed for 14k. It was really clean but he got cold feet and didn't feel he could justify it. I told him he'd probably struggle to find a better deal than that. He's brought it up a few times since.
@@dln.sweeney Life is full of regrets! Hahaha Cars were really cheap post '08 financial crash. Since the economy is about to tank again I think it will be a good time to buy cars again within a year or two.
cant not notice how all the plastic parts are different colors from the rest of the body
Might not hear much out of those stereo speakers in the headrests…
Bumper looks repainted?
If this was an "American" car we wouldn't be having this conversation
While I love the car, good luck on finding one that hasn't been rodded to near death. ;) I wouldn't pay as much as many ask for that very reason. Same goes for WRX's in general.
That said, it is a great car with a fantastic engine.
7:17 possibly bumper repaint? Doesn’t quite match the rest.
LS swap it! Heck yeah!
WHY MODIFIED THIS BEAUTY, IM HURT GUYS LOL 😂😂😂😂
Does not seem like mods depreciate this cars value, i been looking at buying one and they are all expensive now regardless of mods or not.. they higher ones are lower miles.
Well pick one up recently 2004 model, grand prix white with 102k miles for 26500.. clean title and mint condition, tan interior.. white s2ks seem to have an added premium to them on price because of how rare they are.
I love a stock s2k. I used to own one and leave it stock.
Titled "The Car That NEVER Depreciated" - gives value that's $10k less than new after a huge uptick in values the past few years...
It does have 80k miles.
@@z32luvr I had a clean '02 that I bought in 2013 w/47k for $13,000 and sold in 2016 w/70k for $13,900. Appreciating in recent years =/= never depreciated.
Would be double that price in Australia
Uhhh but S2000s did depreciate, they depreciated for many years, for a long time you could get a decent one in the teens and a great one in the 20s, then they went back up. Not to mention Hagerty didn't catch on to the original values of these. From a financial sense I didn't especially guess these would rocket up either, but indirectly this is one of those "cars I really liked" and 90% of those have become collectibles in the last 20 years.
Yeah that's not the car to use for making a race car. There are other examples that would be far better candidates. It may be his dog in his yard, but it doesn't mean that that idea isn't totally ignorant.
Idec anyway, I'm an old school GM guy, but chopping / modifying a survivor like this is NEVER a good idea.
Wonder what I can sell my 2000 S2000 for it has 78k miles Silverstone metallic all vins match I'm the 3rd owner . The two previous owners were brothers and in their late 60s so never beat on the car. It has OEM hardtop but in chicane silver I believe which is rare and I know easily sell for 4k+
How much you want
Buy it. Going insane soon. My guess
$30k is about right, slightly on the high side but that’s what you pay for a clean version. The thing people should know is that conditions and miles don’t make a huge price difference anymore, go up to 34-35k and you can maybe find a 30-40k miles mint condition one. A 120-150k miles example will still run you 25-26k
I agree with everything you said except the last sentence lol. With that mileage, maybe $20-25k.
in europe these are 50-70k... Almost NSX price
It looks way too good to modify. I'd leave it as is and enjoy it as it was meant to be.
feels like this one will depreciate now if its modded too much and especially if anything isn't reversible.
30 grand 😮