Fiery Debate Breaks Out Over Child Migrants Arriving In The UK | This Morning
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Broadcast on 21/10/2016
Nick Ferrari and Kate Smurthwaite debate whether it's right to question the age of migrants coming over to the UK.
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I didn't realise France was a war-zone and that the only safe place in the world is the UK.
Matthew Mitchell i didn't know that either
Matthew Mitchell Ha ha... Have you been to Northern areas of the France recently, it certainly looks like a war zone thanks to the amount of immigrants there.
Not yet anyway Matthew.
It's a case of ORGANISED MAYHEM Britain hasn't got the facilities for all these people, who is to blame for causing these people to have nowhere to live cause their homes are wrecked by bombs, cause their lives have been uprooted? They should be held responsible for their actions, didn't they think of the consequences their actions would cause or did they know and it's all a well planned act of !((ORGANISED MAYHEM))!
Well said Alice. You're on the right track.
“A blind man on a galloping horse can see that he isn’t a child”
💀😂
Wonder how many have been welcomed into her home??
There was a news item last week with a so called refugee who despite being turned back several times while attempting to cross the Italian /French border stated that his sole ambition was to get into france, travel to the coast and cross the channel to the UK
She's such a monumental div
There should be a process to validate the age. . If they have got family members here, there should be some policy in place were the families take full responsibility of the migrant applying to come to uk. They should be held accountable for their welfare and not just use the excuse of having family in uk as a means of getting right to remain in uk. The penalties should be firm and fair. A little bit of old fashion living is not a bad idea. Teach people how to take responsibility. If u want a better life then the one you're country of origin can't provide. Dont look out for free handouts. Uk will give you the OPPORTUNITY to better your life, but like in your country of origin you did not get anything for free, you most likely had to work for it. So why do you expect free handouts as soon as u enter uk.
Typical angry london liberal. Talking over everyone, getting emotional and not listening to anyone else's opinion. Send all the refugees to her house / street and get her to pay for them. See how she likes that.
Don't worry Ed. The progressive liberal days are numbered. They're moribund. A tipping point is approaching like an out of control freight train. They are not going to know what has hit them when it all kicks off in a couple of years. My advice to them would be to learn how to run VERY fast.
all I saw was them battering her with questions then not letting her finish while she tried to answer them.
That's like saying if you want better education in schools you must qualify as a teacher.
"Talking over everyone"?? From what I saw, she was trying to answer their questions and they weren't giving her the chance. I see I'm not the only person to have replied to your comment having noticed this.
Thumbs up. Great idea..👍
" A blind man on a galloping horse could see that's NOT a child" ....lol ... best line ever from Eamonn Holmes !
But the bint in response completely shrugged it off.
mark layton that's a common Irish saying.
lol carbon dating
what has happened to the children they keep showing on b/s BBC/SKY?.
The ones that are about 6 /10 year old's not seen one of them get of that bus.
And u have to ask why would any parent. Leave their young child with a bunch of pedos walking about in that camp.
ikr.. I lmao xD
send them to her house
She just kept babbling the word REFUGEES. She never answered a single direct simple question put to her. A typical libtard, blind and deaf to the truth, do-gooders disease.
These people have deliberately and purposely travelled across the continent of Europe to end up in Calais. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong but there are no wars in progress ANYWHERE in Europe at the moment ?
These people are in FRANCE of their own free will. Just precisely WHO are they seeking "asylum" or "refuge" from in France or any of the SAFE European countries they chose to travel through ? There is nobody in the entire European continent who is going to commit genocide against them or enslave them.
So just how are they "refugees" or "asylum seekers" camped out in Calais ?
The answer to that is they are NOT and cannot be by any definition "refugees" nor "asylum seekers". That is simply impossible.
Congratulations. You're both idiots.
Hello Aidan would you like expand on that ? Or are you just a silly troll who gets his jollies calling strangers idiots form behind the safety of your computer ?
Necessaryevil Zero 1 None of the above thanks.
Thank you Aiden you have answered my question perfectly. You a ARE silly troll with nothing to say of substance or worth. Have a nice life over and out.
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None of these people are refugees, they are opportunistic migrants. They have travelled thousands of miles through safe lands to get to the UK.
denver hillier
The position of having a brain in my skull, a refugee is someone seeking safety, a migrant is someone seeking entry to a certain country. It's not even a debate it's a fact, I'm not saying you shouldn't help these people, quite the opposite, but you should help the young and vulnerable first.
not the syrians, they are very proud ppl and they love thier country
Paul W they want to come and meet you Paul
eatthat
Why don't they stay there and fight then? Like so many Syrians are?
Tony Edwards
Well if that's the case, their journey will end in ultimate disappointment, I'm really not worth the trip.
that woman is a bad role model for Britain.......
These men have come from France - FRANCE - where they were living in the Calais Jungle by choice. They chose to live there because they didn't want to apply for asylum in France as it has a more vigorous vetting process than the UK.
Once a refugee has entered a safe country they should apply for asylum, the fact that these men get to pick and choose which country they go to is proof that they are merely economic migrants and should be sent back whence they came.
ConanCnutKicker yes yes well said mateb
ConanCnutKicker yep all true. They just take advantage of the real refuges and give them bad reputation
Exactly what I have been saying well said
The left wing will kill this country
Having adults posing as children is one of the most dangerous things I can think of - let's send them to schools with underage children. The far far left delusional one did make me smile though because she is a joke.
She is usually seen sprouting the most ludicrous feminist nonsense.
Why is there this sinister attitude to this?? These people can easily be an asset to society as well....
Safeguarding of children has to be of paramount importance for both sides!
Ignatius Reactionary 🤔 no. Teachers are crb and dbs checked ...
Gracie H I'm aware. I'm highlighting the idiocy of assuming that every adult near children is some kind of predatory villain.
"Credit to the Sun".....seriously? No idea who he is but that is a sentence that should never be spoken by anyone. #Jft96
agreed...plus the Mail!
thaliasghost jft96 ynwa✨
Or the Guardian.
thaliasghost
No one at the sun killed anyone at Hillsborough, granted there was some shocking reporting on their behalf but it was nearly 30 years ago, move on for crying out loud.
Paul W no the sun never apologised and is banned where I live it was shocking what they did but Liverpool finally got justice and it's ok but honestly the sun is terrible even if there are new people there now ❤️
This woman is everything that is wrong with the UK at the minute ,she is probably vegan ,been to uni with support from her parents ,lives in a wigwam on an acre of secluded green pasture land inherited from her grandparents ,wears daisies around her head and listens to Bob Geldof music and has never done any voluntary work in hospitals in the UK in her short lifetime on this planet Earth ! Definitely from planet Mars at a guess !
Totally agree with you buddy!!
yep, its sad that these types have so much power
Jackie Meek Champagne socialists
She is also an actress and stand up comedian, About sums her up :(
and the worst kind of "comedian" ie: not funny
Ask yourself...why have these migrants travelled through about 5 countries that are not fighting, not war torn apart, where they can perfectly just stay there, ask yourself why are they sitting on the edge of France jumping illegally on trucks to get to Britain? have a guess.
Because they have family in England and they can speak English. Try thuinking outside the box you're in; In fact, just try thinking for once.
Harry Callahan 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 bravo! Well said
Bananakarma 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 my thoughts exactly
Bananakarma-Quite. They don't think outside the box! Tv box that is
Harry Callahan its called being poor POOR COUNTRIES FOID PRICES SKY HIGH HMMM I WONDER WHOS GAINING FINANCIALLY ERRMM COULD IT BE THE DIRTY ELITE RICH SCREWING THE POOR EVEN MORE ?????
This woman should be ashamed of herself.
I don't really see why. I personally think that anyone who thinks that vulnerable people whose lives are at risk don't deserve help, should be ashamed of themselves.
Helping them and letting them into our country are two different things. Our cultures completely clash.
zobee zee thats a wrong, narrow minded and idiotic view, sorry but have a look at yourself, if this country was at war you'd want to be able to flee to another country. Have some humanity.
Actually when our country was last in a major war (WW2) millions of young and old men signed up to fight for freedom. (this was before conscription) Do you see any of these young men trying to fight for theirs? These are able bodied men, why in gods name are we willing to let them in, we should be letting the women and children in first and the fit adult men should be send back to fight for their own freedoms like our ancestors had to.
It is clear that feminists are losing the debate on refugee and immigration, so they become this angry like Kate Smurthwaite.
This has nothing to do with feminists?
Coming from an immigrant family, I am quite assured of Britain’s record in helping child refugees. And my female friends and family members are assured of the progress Britain has made on gender equality, compared to other places in the world. But guess which radical campaign group supports open border immigration and the adults who shamefully took the place of those vulnerable child refugees?
***** Yes but just because shes a feminist doesn't mean that every feminist has the same opinion on the situation???? It has nothing to do with feminism! Its her personal opinion.
Jamis Billson In your G+ profile you described yourself as "an idiot", so imagine my shock at your comment here lol.
Clearly, you're using this terribly disturbing issue to introduce your 'hobby-horse' into the discussion. The law will deal with those responsible for that which you've so eloquently described. However, that is not what is under discussion. Do keep up Ms Pemberton.
After seeing what open borders has done in Germany, Sweden and the rest just shows how dangerous this is. The people in Calais can apply for asylum in France, Germany, wherever.
Wonder how many people would be in Calais if we took away the welfare system for refugees
DeanGordon The problem is by law they are supposed to claim asylum in the 1st safe country they arrive in. If they are in France then sorry but that is considered a safe country. You are 100% correct in that it is the welfare benefits that many of these people seek. They cross how many safe countries to get to Britain?
They could apply for asylum in many safer places close to their own countries. They know Europe is a cash machine. Why don't rich countries like Saudi Arabia take them? Oh thats right, the Saudis have deemed mass migration as a serious security threat. What do we do? The exact opposite of common sense.
Yeah, tell that to the good people of Nice and Paris.
Adrian Stokes yep this is an isis inspired army
DeanGordon
That women is cancer I hate her gobby feminist
simba lee sorry what has her point got to do with feminism? She didn't mention equality for women once.
zobee zee I'm still confused about a few things... how is she 1. Creating victims? She's talking about refugees who are victims of a war. 2. I don't understand why you hate feminists? Feminists literally died in the past so that you women can now vote and 3. How her having an opinion automatically makes her anything?
Shouldn't mix with our culture? It's 2016 you small minded, arrogant creature!!
zobee zee 1. This argument isn't about migrants it's about refugees so that dismisses your point. It's talking about refugees being allowed into this country not migrants. 2. Fair enough if you think they should be in clean controlled camps but where do you think these should be and how would these be funded 3. The rapes in Germany were a few citizens, you can not generalize a whole group of people from the acts of a few. It was no way near the thousands in the slightest I have no idea where you got that figure from, thin air I'd imagine. 4. They can't go back and fight like world war 2 because this is a civil war. If they go to fight back they are basically committing suicide as they have no weapons or anything of the sort. ( and by the way if all of Syria citizens lose that means ISIS wins and they hold a city which I'm sure you don't want) and 5. WHY IS NO ONE ANSWERING MY POINT ABOUT FEMINISM
zobee zee I never ever said 'JUST' I said it was a small amount compared to the ' thousands' of people you claimed were being raped by refugees. That in no way belittles the rapes that had occurred , they were wrong and those people should be severely condemned for it. My point was you were making up facts about rapes and the actual figures are no way near as bad as you are saying. You are using the acts of a few to generalise a whole population
this woman needs to be deported to Syria
We can't even house British children so how is bringing in 20,000 refugees going to help? It's going to raise our taxes, we will lose jobs and it will cost us way more money because where do they expect to house these "children" no one will take them and no one will risk it.
Bob Winner Were you not listening? These specific cases they are discussing were people already said to have family in the UK and as such had people who could provide for them at no extra 'burden' to the country.
That is if you consider people fleeing war torn countries as a burden and not people desperate to live.
"people fleeing war torn countries" France you mean.
Denethorable So you're chastising a person for wanting the best for themselves and their families?
Denethorable well said
Scott Hopkins Yes. Good grasp of the situation there obviously dude. We should reward your ignorance with cookies and gold coins.
This idiotic woman just doesn't get it!
The British public was sold the rhetoric that we would be accepting children this week. These are plainly not children! We have been at best duped and at worst lied to in the most underhand extreme way!
These people lay in bed lay awake at night and scratch their heads at why Brexit happened and why Right wing politics is on the increase, not just in the UK but across Europe!
Well, in this disgraceful stunt where the British electorate have been treated as idiots, they have their answer!
Michael Yeovil Yes and if we can be duped in such a way makes me question the scrutiny process of the asylum vetting before they arrive!
The female guest said that she doesn't care how old they are.
Andrew Smith Exactly, She's there just to get her left wing agenda across by any means possible!
alan jackson I bet she wouldn't want these 30-y-o fake kids living next door to her!
RACIST SCUM. MOST OF YOU. This us exactly what the rich want. Well done Thickos. Sing the song of the rich whilst they laugh at you for doing their bidding.
That woman is a typical hard left winger who would let anyone in this country not knowing any information or facts.
The FBI and state department said under oath in congress we cennot vet the refugees. Im not going to meddle with Britain but dont bring them in here. #Cologne #Germany
If there was a referendum specifically on migration the boarders would be closed to all !
Maybe but the population does not want any more. It's up to them to decide not brainless foul mouthed idiots like yourself !
People like that Kate, Gary lineker and Lilly Allen are an embarrassment, if they had it their way they would let everyone in the country, England is stretched and has been for a while and scum like that want to open the borders and let everyone in. Yes I can see what a great and sensible idea that would be. I'm glad people are finally waking up in this country, too many use that race card and it's disgusting, England is one of the most tolerant countries, and is the only country where it's branded racist if flying the NATIONAL FLAG. What has happened to this country, what a joke its become full of left wing liberal traitors.
Αγγλία Αγίου Γεωργίου England? Pretty sure it's GB. Scotland is part of this country too.
Gemma H yes of course Scotland is part of the uk, but the uk is not a country, Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all separate countries. It's not racist to fly the Scottish flag, fly the st George flag many people will be offended. It really is a joke.
Αγγλία Αγίου Γεωργίου I love your comment and completely agree! X
KT NI
Thank you 😊 x
I'd quite happily let in refugees if we can get rid of racist, homophobic British people like you. Let's do a swap shall we?
Yes, the lady was overbearing but the argument still stands. So we just give up on anyone who is over 18? These are real people guys come on where is the compassion!? If you saw and spoke to refugees on a daily basis then i think a lot of you would be just as (if not more) aggressive in your approach than the lady here in this argument.
Michelle Alvieri all they want is the free NHS and education they don't care about anything else why else do you think 30yr olds are pretending to be 14/15? Stop being stupid get a backbone and say no to these refugees
Sorry, as a German, you are laughing stock. Other countries should pick up the tab? Yeah, we do. Do your part.
You forget that these people are already in a safe country or are you saying France is a warzone.
Look at a map. Do you think Germany is the first country you would reach on your way to Europe? The other countries need to do their part and that included France and the UK. I agree that things should be done differently, a camp like this should under no circumstances have ever been set up in France. Children who already were in France should have never suffered neglect to this extreme on European ground. But I answered to a different point.
'...come on where is the compassion'. Where was your compassion for the 1500 girls raped at knife point in Rotherham and 12 other towns and cities in the UK. Where is your compassion for the 200,000 children in the UK who are homeless and live in squalor? Or for the elderly who will die this year because of the cold. Or for the homeless. You have no compassion. You are just a virtue signaler.
Men pretending to be children coming to UK.
That sums them up, they're all con men. It's in these people's blood
these peoples? elaborate?
That is the dictionary definition of racism.
Booby Manfanny oh Bobby too much for News for you the Media control your mind
Booby Manfanny 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
do not try to discuss any thing with the woman with the long, lank ,greasy hair or any one like her, as they are total bigot's, they will pull you up on almost every word you use.
she hate's men,she hate's women who like men, that doesn't leave much..and she hate's kid's ironically.
Too many apostrophe's in the wrong place's
Erm, could you relearn the use of aprostrophes, please, appalling grammar.
TomandBoo Woooos'h! LOL
That woman is a nightmare and will have us all killed.
My thoughts exactly
And i love your name by the way
She is annoying forceful little reptile. She just wants to blab her our views whilst everyone else loses their air time. I bet she's vegan , I bet she's a femenazi, all those over sensitized attributes scream MORON to me. Take a chill pill love and engage without being so intrusive to the other guests on the panel
I'm just wondering - are you driven purely by mindless hate?
baboon2525
Me?????
yep
I'm with Kate.
Great, please submit your address to the Home Office so that the 'refugees' can move in with you.
Apply tomorrow morning at your local council offices for the relevant documentation which would allow you to apply for housing one or more of these people.
Katie Eff Then take in a homeless person today. What is stopping you. Or, are they not the right colour, and taking in a white does not give you so many bragging rights as a non white? Is there a scoring system.
Celtic Saint You're assuming they want 'taking in'. I'm sure in some cases what they want is an opportunity to provide for themselves. Charity helps short term, it can't provide long term benefits to an individual.
And no, a person in need is a person in need, regardless of ethnicity. There's no competition .
JKchick62 I disagree with Kate.
all the folks saying welcome the refugees should take as many as their homes can fit they'd soon change their minds when a 35 year old "child" is clogging up the shower with his beard hair
Tom Williams Productions
A tiny group of vociferous, vitriolic, deluded, idealist feminists have held the country to ransom for the best part of 40 years now people, mostly being spawned a nurtured by our "impartial" national broadcaster the BBC. From the reaction here it is obvious that the smoke has blown away from their mirrors as far as that little sham is concerned - Let's keep up the pressure & try to undo the damage these idiots have done to people's lives & the nation as a whole!
nagging works
very good post
Shame on you Kate Smugwaite. A young Afghan woman was recently raped by three migrants destined for the UK while she was interpreting for a film crew making a documentary on child abuse in the jungle. These selfish grown men arriving in the UK have taken the place of children in genuine need. And it is a deliberate lie about screening them for months when we know they have destroyed their documents and lied about their age to come to Britain, now known as the land of simpletons.
In Newcastle 4 days ago a young woman was knifed to death by ELEVEN men of foreign origin.
James Bradley Yes your correct, & I bet this woman wouldn't take in any of these imagrants because she knows she will most likely be attacked & assaulted by them.
Nothing on the TV about them being foreign.Wonder why? Yet i see these gang rape headlines all over the European press nowadays. Unthinkable fifteen or twenty years ago.Then the left keep wondering why they get called regressive and lose more and more support to the alt and/or far Right. ,
So disappointed in Ruth's attitude and choice of words...
Same horrid woman who Milo Yiannopoulos owned
Smathoo yeah she blocked me on Twitter.....and I didn't even swear or threaten her...I just DISAGREED with her. Someone can't take criticism very well.
More like the truth.
Lol I'm not really a Milo fan either but I was cheering!
She's actually supposed to be a 'comedian'. I think if I spent 5 minutes in her company I'd be suicidal.
Theta Cuber Same, he gets rather annoying sometimes, but he is amusing
Someone shut her up please. She has no clue.
This Kate woman would cast civilization to the flames just for her own sense of righteousness. If people like her were in power we would truly be living in a dystopia.
This has gone too far. We've put up with too much. We are too tolerant. We let everyone in and yet they hate us. It's time for countries like Saudi Arabia to put up. They've taken in 0 refugees. They don't like our culture, they don't like our values. But they come here because we are soft touches.
These hard lefties demand us to be flooded with these economic migrants, just so long as they stay far away from their London swank pads. It will be the working class communities that will bare the brunt of it as usual.
Tolerant no.
Apathetic yes.
Actually not true, first of all Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship based on Shriah Law and Germany and Greece, for example have taken far more refuges than the UK.
Adrian Stokes And look how that is turning out for them.
The FBI and state department said under oath in congress we cennot vet the refugees. Im not going to meddle with Britain but dont bring them in here. #Cologne #Germany
She can't even get her facts right. Uneducated moron.
Why don't refugees go to Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Qatar. Why are they not willing to take Refugees? Also when refugees that have a third world mind set come in to a first world country bad things happen.
Syria is not a 'third world country'.
Penny Wood in what way is Syria NOT a third world country?
Before the war it was a thriving, self supporting country, just like 'first world' countries. It had a rich culture, tourist services, and an ethnically diverse, well educated population.
Penny Wood why are you talking about before the war? We live in the the present.
Because refugees don't have 'third world mind set', they're well educated people just wanting to get back to some kind of normality to their existence. Anyone would think they were a different species or alien race the way people talk about them. A bit of empathy and humanity goes a long way.
Some people are so blind they don't deserve eyes.
I know of cases where some 'child' refugees have gone to dentist and the dentist has said categorically that they are not children. These 'children' are sitting in classes with your 14 year old daughter whom he has told his foster carers he wants to marry immediately. They also happen to be very violent.
We dont want them.
It's actually ironic whilst Britain are crying over accepting refugees, a child in Syria is crying because they lost their whole family. Oh and more ironic because Britain conquered the most countries ever and they're having tantrums about accepting a few thousand refugees. Seriously get a grip. Modern Britain was built on immigrants and foreigners so don't for one second start bashing those who rebuilt our country!!!
MissChocolateLover16 *Some of Britain
Most of us don't care
Robyn Hood and that's the problem enough people don't care.
They may all come to live with family, then the families claim extra benefits for them, and who's paying for it all ???
The last boat I saw was full of black people, obviously from Africa, they were not Syrian at all
Nope, these people are from Africa, mainly Eritrea, they don't flee war, they flee military duty. These are men, not children, not women. Why do you only want to save grown men while letting the children and women and the sick die?
***** What does Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland for example have to do with Africa? They never treated Africa bad, despite Africans enslavings thousands and thousands of Scandinavians.
How can they be in uproar over this when they have taken a shocking 30 people! Just remember they are people and not some sort of human pick and mix...just picking the ones you want! Ashamed of the UK
Serkan Tekel are you even British do you live in the UK? We're already overpopulated and can't even house our own children so how is bringing in foreign children going to help?
Coming from a country which has taken over one million...I don't even know how to process this.
Bob Winner Bob Winner Yes I am British, not that not being British would make my opinion any less valid. Are you saying because 30 people have come to this country we are now overpopulated? Do not be ridiculous! "How is bringing in children going to help"? It's going to help children who have had their homes destroyed, some without parents and families...who are all fleeing war torn cities. If you believe there are too few houses then your anger should be against the British government (as its their job to build those houses) and not directed at people who are at their most vulnerable!
Has it not occurred to anyone, that some of these children might be wonderful when they grow up. You just don't think that these kids could end up being your doctors, emergency services etc...
Serkan Tekel if they were genuine refugees they would've stopped in the first safe country. They wouldn't cross hundreds of safe countries to get to the one country they want to get to. England IS NOT the first safe country to Syria, Iraq etc.
Anyway we should only take in refugees once we have sorted out our own people who are living below the poverty line. The government are finding resources to help 'refugees' but not British people going without water and food?? How is that right??
They are so traumatised by war they nightly threaten truck drivers with violence to get on board 1st thing to do after triggering Brexit or before is destroy that flaming tunnel problem solved
yea we block the £4.65 billion channel tunnel
You should get a Job working for Ukip, with these great ideas.
a good question to ask a leftie on this subject....''Would you be happy to allow your 18yr old daughter to babysit these children?''
***** nice words there from a loving caring liberal
adlufc1141 He's a far left, brainwashed idiot, who, like you can't see what's in front of his eyes
Good question!
Good question!
***** Oh so saying 'i aint no....' is grammatically acceptable in society now? As to make it simple for a simpleton to understand? Perhaps, in fact, its used by simpletons. Carry on Sir and cry me a nice big fat EU river x
Typical lefty shouting over everyone and talking absolute dribble. Even she is admitting the systems being played like a banjo and it's ok for men about 40 to enter the county as children.
im 35 and those "children" look older than me too I worked outside in harsh welsh weather 12 hours a day doing manual work they are not children!
This stupid woman and the rest of the curly do right brigade say we are ment to take in 20000. Obviously if we take 15000 adults who have no right to be hear, then that means we can only take 5000 real children. And I'd also like to ask what are the plans when we reach 20000, will we just shut the door. Oh and by the way the deal was 20000 from the camp's in syria NOT from FRANCE.
The lady is unaware and unattached to reality, people who enter the country illegally are going to be upright citizens ??
The Berean Haven't you even thought that maybe they're entering the UK illegally simply because they are so desperate to protect themselves from the war? Show some compassion. If you were in a war stricken country, starving/living in absolute deprived conditions/watching your loved ones being brutally murdered in front of your eyes, you would do everything in your power to leave. Even if that leads to you using illegal means to do so.
This is not a compassion issue, why pray tell must immigtants come to the UK ? is there no other countries willing to take immigrants, whu not Poland, Sweden, Macedonia ?
People in the UK are largely unaware and more concerning unwilling to do anything save get thm here....the costs, the education, the help they need to settle in.
As with Brexit people are moved by there emotions and then unable to really back up there decisions with any real substance.
I live in a country of 1.4 billion people, and ask them where would you like to go most will answer USA, UK, Canada, Australia when asked why ? they say we LOVE these countries...really ?
Time for us to use wisdom and think ahead just a little.
The Berean so if England became a war zone and you had to flee to Australia, would you not be an upright citizen then?
England is a war zone we have people who are not so sure of who they are, claiming one thing and not sure of the other. Brexit was a fine example of the whereabouts of the UK ... If i had to flee to Australia and abandon my own country...that would present questions !!
Kate Smurthwaite IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT...
I prefer greasy witch.
John Dory She's a feminist, explains it all really.
if they have travelled through greece italy most of europe they are not refugees a refugee should claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive in these are economic migrants taking advantage of the unrest in the middleast
As a uk resident, I believe that it is our moral and ethical duty to help those less fortunate than ourselves. Our country isn't being bombed, we aren't overrun by soldiers, we are able to live our lives very well. We should treat refugees as we would treat our own citizens, in that they are allowed to live as they like but must obey our laws and be respected and held responsible in much the same way as British people. To turn our back on these people when they need our help is to say, "we and America created this problem, we created many of these conflicts, but never mind, you lot can't come in, deal with it." This is such a horrible way to look at it. These people are humans too, and deserve to be treated with respect, not turned away when they are most vulnerable.
Kopp203 and how do you sort the refugees from the immigrants? Answer you can't, a refugee fleeing a bomb site isn't going to stop and pick up documents, and you can't turn desperate people away on the off chance they are not refugees. As to why they want to get to the uk, simple: they want to be as far away from the conflict as possible, as a he can understand. Only a tiny number of these people are ISIS sleepers, the vast majority are not trying to pose a threat to us. Also, we voted in the politicians who invaded Iraq. The U.K. as a country invaded alongside America. We as a country have a moral responsibility to help those we robbed of a home with our bombs and our drones. While the politicians are, ultimately, responsible, we have a responsibility as the people who voted them in. We as a country voted them, we as a country must make amends to those our representatives have wronged.
That's a specious argument. It's no more valid than anyone else saying we CAN turn them away on the off-chance they might be a terrorist. As I've said before, these "refugees" should be claiming asylum in the first safe-haven country they arrive in.
Why are they trekking across the EU, going through 5 or so safe countries to get to Calais and try get to the UK? You haven't answered that question. I'll answer it for you: They're doing so because they're not refugees, but economic migrants who know they'll get a better deal in the form of apologists such as yourself scrambling to give them free money and housing.
If you want to assuage your misplaced feelings of guilt then more power to you. Those of us that aren't idiots know we're not responsible for the decisions of corrupt politicians, bankers and the global elite that foment wars and conflict in pursuit of profit and we don't see why we, the UK taxpayers, have to pick up the tab for it. Watching our kids get denied places in schools that are full, die while waiting for operations on the NHS and the sundry other consequences that uncontrolled immigration have foisted on a population that are not directly responsible for it.
You're arguing against an imaginary opponent. Very few people say we shouldn't take ANY refugees. But everyone agrees though that there is such a thing as too many and everyone agrees that some people are more vulnerable and therefore more of a prriority than others
the problem is how were all blinded by the media, they decide which photos they are going to publish and that in way forces opinions and false information onto the general public
foster carers should not take these men in as they will be putting them selfs and others around them in danger these men haven't seen women and are sex hungry
Sara Jane are you trolling
Fighting age men who done a runner from their country and went through at least 5 countries offering asylum only to turn it down because they want to move to soft touch UK.
The argument that we just bring in children is in itself ridiculous. These kids have already lost most of their family back home, so they get to the boarder and still have to leave mom or dad behind because older people are not allowed in. So, they enter the system and get into foster families, when it wuddav been cheaper letting them stay with their families.
Lolo's Channel What garbage! How have kids who have lost family managed to get from wherever to Calais. Something stinks and it is not unwashed immigrants. We should only accept genuine refugees comprising of mum, did an
and kids. That will serve more good than this cock and bull we are facing.
Lolo's Channel what's "wuddav"?
I've been to parts of the UK and to some of your most historic cities and I see the homeless everywhere over there now, including women, young men ( young men, younger than this), and even ex forces soldiers. Foodbanks and soup kitchens, sleeping bags under bridges and arches, tents in the parks, homeless shelters etc ..
So why aint your government helping those people already there in danger and on the streets?
Beats the hell outa me.
David Beard we all know this mate
its the kalergi plan for white genocide and cultural marxism
bitchband
Brighton hates western civilisation.
It's a kalergi, cultural marxist, freemason wet dream.
useless liberals are filthy queers
Can we send Kate to Calais?
Let's put her in a lorrie with a truck driver who's keen on playing Cliff Richard
Aamon and Ruth are fantastic, they say what we all think
That poor woman seems to be the only person in that video who actually seems to care about these people as human beings. She's totally right, it's stupid to argue about this man's age. The problem is much bigger than that and all refugees deserve to be accepted into a safe country.
You are aware are you not that it is the default position of virtually everyone who lives in a Muslim country that homosexuals should be killed for their 'crime; of being gay? Why are you such a homophobic person Lara? That women should be used to bear children and be kept as slaves, why are you such a sexist Lara. That women should be stoned to death if they are RAPED. Why are you such a misogynist Lara?
Not all human beings are equally deserving. The migrants at Calais have shown themselves to be violent thugs. Not only that, but the UK is not the only "safe" country in the world. France is a safe country, though made less safe by these migrants.
Celtic Saint sorry WHAT is your problem why do you feel the need to he so insulting and negative. Believing that refugees have the right to escape from the war being caused in their country by OUR western governments does not mean I agrees with the values of some people in that country. This generalisation of a group of people as you have just demonstrated is what the problem is. Please be a little more mindful and less disrespectful, it's unnecessary. I'm simply trying to say that I think when people are experiencing war and death in their home that they should be able to come to a safer place. Peace :) x
zobee zee I don't disagree with that fact. But don't you think that then we need a better system in place where we can weed out criminals? Rather than discriminating against 'refugees' as a whole and talking about like them like they're some sort of pest. I just believe that they should be able to reach a safe environment because most of them are innocent civilians. You can't help there being a few bad eggs within the group but you get that in every culture. I'm pretty sure if there was a war in the U.K. and everywhere was being bombed and people were dying, rapists would he escaping the county too and that is just a very tricky issue to solve but I do not believe that the answer is to stop letting the innocent people in. Our government just needs to invest more time and money in this issue.
Didn't realise there was so much war and death in France.
The main reason why we should not be taking ANY foreign people who are NOT from Europe is because there is not going to be any more people who are FROM the UK left!
By all these people flooding in here it's very clear that this is being done on purpose and it is nothing short but white genocide.
Everyone should be sent back home to where ever they were imported from.
I'm imported from Canada. Should I bring my english husband and import him to my home country?
we haven't any trading agreements with Canada yet, i hope the full tariff was paid?
If it wasn't paid I would be able to live here Im afraid.
Lady i know you are passionate about your cause, but they said they were taking minors. He is clearly not a minor!!
The woman who wants all the immigrants to come should be made to pay extra tax to support them (and all other people like her) and the immigrants should be housed in the same street as her too. This crazy hippee logic of "let them all come into our country" is going to lead to social disaster. Syrian people, Middle Eastern people, are NOT Europeans. They do not have the same mentality, values, beliefs, etc. Its a massive culture clash. Yes, whats happening in Syria is bad but that doesn't mean we should let half the country in Europe, sorry but sometimes the answer has to be No.
It's actually ridiculous. people are crazy. Idfc. Who cares if they're 2, 22 or 72 these are people escaping a CRIMEZONE (because all of this is a war crime) that they had nothing to do with. Because people in power want to make money through destroying their country then make out the Syrians are the criminals!!!???
That person would be Soros not that you would know.
The migrants in Calais are mostly criminals. Do you have a clue about what is going on? And France is not a warzone.
Matthew Mitchell Most of them? Of course I know what is going on these people are living in horrible conditions after fleeing their country. And I won't deny France has been kind by letting them stay but there have been strings attached. Incredible strings attached....
you really don't know who are coming in to this country my opinion is isis said they'd blend in and thats what they are doing.
she is deluded
'A blind man on a galloping horse can see he's not a child' 😉
send them all to Scotland Nichols sturgeon said shed welcome them then vote for English independence
Simo Simpson i second that
No, thank you. You lot can keep em! lol
In the last year up to June, 68% of 'child refugees' to the UK were found to be over 18. From 2006 until 2016, 45% of those claiming to be kids were adults. These are Home Office stats.
lewis1544 proof link to the findings
lewis1544 This is false. The figure refers NOT to all child refugees, but to the small proportion of those whose age was questioned.
I don't do links. Search Independent 19 Oct or Express 21 Oct.
You're right. These do not refer to all child refugees. Just the ones that are so obviously overage it's laughable. The other ones who have no documentation are, as we have seen, let in for fear of being called racist. My favourite example is Saad Alsaud in Sweden.
Thomas, do you actually believe that some of the 'children' we have seen are actually under 18? I'd be interested in what you think.
The fact is many of those fleeing war have travelled through 7 countries deemed safe by the UN. The bleeding heart regressive left seem to ignore this. Those that have a legal right to be here should have been allowed here long before they reached Calais but seeing as a proportion of those in the camp are economic migrants coming from countries not at war then we should be restricting them.
There are lots and lots of people banging on about how we should take these refugees. And funny enough, those people all live in areas where refugees could never afford to settle, and in non threatened employment that refugees would never take. The answer is simple, Those pro refugee people should sponsor the migrants, pay for their incomes, healthcare, education, housing etc etc. and employ them in their own workplaces. I wonder if they would stop banging on about it then.
Female is delusional! Her arguments are utterly flawed, trying to defend the recent intake. Laughable!
***** It's called self entitled, spoilt, white female, femenazi!
There will be a day when the public starts to disrespect this loser. To use a football analogy, she should be suspended from all UK programme appearances. I am not referring to the presenters but the guest.
My god, she's so stupid.
I must have a heart of stone then.
So let me get this right. You don't know how old they are, you don't know where they come from and you don't care.
These are the people that are in charge of the vetting.
She wants all the rapists and ISIS supporters to come here, there nowt as dangerous as a bleeding heart liberal
"Feminist" defends importing rapists/terrorists.........................How refreshing
Please explain how she is doing that?
You see 'we' agreed to let them in but I don't remember us having ay say on who was allowed in
shelby edgar I can't afford to keep more than myself. I can barely afford to exist in this country.
I work full time and still can't afford my bills, I house share because I can't afford to live alone. I don't earn enough to sustain myself, I require help, I'm also being made redundant next year.
I've never been on a holiday, I've never had the money to learn to drive, I've never eaten in a restaurant either. I think if you partake of those things regularly you have no right to call me rich.
But regardless, I wouldn't leave those people in a ghetto. I'd find some way around it. I still feel I have far more than they do, and I want to help.
Don't presume to know me, and don't call me names, dont paint me as rich when Ive been nothing but dirt poor my whole life, Im not even typing this from my pc or my smartphone as I dont own one. It's the sign you have no solid argument when you have to belittle others.
And don't make it about me either, it's about their suffering and how we can help them.
People should focus on making their own countries better and we should help through charities and donations so their countries can flourish and they dont have to leave their homes and we dont have to take the economic burden.When our grandparents were growing up they could leave a job on Friday and start a New one on Monday nowadays this is impossible.They create unwanted job competition for the poorest Brits.There are simple to much debt at this time to ask the British taxpayer to help through the government. And sorry but your last comment suggested that you had space and money to afford to keep more than yourself my bad.Youre a kind person but Brits need to get themselves sorted before we help anyone else.
Also theres a reason i suggested donations theres nothing stopping you donating your wages to charity.And you could eat at a food bank if you feel that strongly about it.You should lead by example instead of being a leach that wants to take peoples money off them to give it to someone else.
it's the kalergi plan for white genocide and cultural marism
why dont they make new lives in France?
maybe they speak English not french?
stu crawford Or we have a better welfare system?
That is not a good enough reason. When you are truly desperate you just want peace...they come because they think our streets are paved with gold
Most don't speak fluent English.
Maybe because they wanna live in a country where their religion is respected.
I'm just waiting for someone in their 70's to come across the border "yes yes i'm 17 i promise"
I bet she's vegan
and so what if she is? compassionate?
Hahahaha I literally just said the same thing. I also wonder could she be part of the feminazi movement? I bet she grows her own yogurt too
camouflage873 what a left field comment on her diet. why say that. very puzzling
Hey now. I'm vegan - and Muslim - and nearly lost my mind over her mindless babble.
What has being vegan got to do with the price of fish? Stupid remark.
This women is clearly a mental case. That and she also fancies a go on the 38 year old kid.
their is plenty of burden on this country we had to feed, clothes & house these people, it's not our job to take them in I'm so sick of this country.
It is a burden on us... They bring the views that they have grown up on, It's their foundation of beliefs are morally wrong
What charity is it that's organising with Amber Rudderless MP to ferry these 30 year old children into the UK...Shave The Children?
This fiasco is an absolute disgrace, the lefty Luvvies have spent the summer brain washing the British public into believing that the "vulnerable children" should given passage into our once great country, then a 38 year old thats supposedly a child turns up at Lunatic House in Croydon & when his finger prints were taken it turns out he was on the UK's criminal database! That info was released this morning to the press by the Home Office before any luvvie asks!
These charities are essentially people trafficking.
how can she say it's not a burden on our system? they will live with family! they still need to support them so it will.
Dean Rose Why will it?
Cos there's only so many kids a family can financially handle and it its more people for the NHS too which is already getting worse. I'm not saying no one but it needs to be properly and realisticly capped. Paris and that aren't bad places Paris should try more to help the ones who shouldn't be entitled to come
The NHS is worse because your government pocket money you pay to them to fund it.
It has nothing to do with refugees.
Everyone should help as much as is humanly possible. It's that simple. It's not a "you can live, you have to go back" situation.
When you are sending people back to their deaths then there is always room. End of.
As suggested I say we use the big brother house to house some refugees instead of another series of that tripe. How about that?
I hear the Queen has a few spare rooms, Mrs. May too...
this woman is batty!
Get it straight the people of the uk DONT want them get it.
send them to Scotland, they're pro Europe.
Kate does not have the temperament to participate on TV debates. She has her opinions and that's fine, but cool it down and get your points across calmly and fairly without bashing the other side of the argument. You can see the anger and bitterness flowing out of her.
Kate is a feminist.They don't do debates.Feelings always trump facts to feminists.
What about when the other side of the argument exclusively features cretinous racists? Food for thought.
When have you seen racists been given any platform.A delusional narcissist like Kate gets tv time for fun.
On this programme, obviously - they don't have to be wearing hoods. The common or garden racist's habitat is often slithering across the soft furnishings of daytime tv.
You are looking for something that just isn't there.Don't worry. White Middle Class Feminists will always hold you to their bosom!!
The man wearing the blue top looks about 45 to me.
Lets hope all those poor "young" refugee's live in her street. Always good reality check for the "liberal.
War or not, once in, they will never leave.
But they will take vacations in Turkey paid for by your taxes.