Mormon TikTok. The Good, The Bad, The Gods in Embryo.
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- I take my professional RUclipsr pals @ZelphOntheShelf under my dirty, rotten, stank-filled TikToker wings to show them (and you) around the land that time forgot: Mormon TikTok.
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Hi Carah, great lighting this episode -- y'all look fantastic! It was a fun and kinda sad look at LDS tiktok. I'm glad that y'all have in person affirmation from others that y'all are doing good in the world. Best wishes!
The woman saying that she “struggles with same sex attraction” breaks my heart. I hope she’s okay… I didn’t even grow up Christian, but hearing homophobic remarks from pastors and other Christians when I was young had a major effect on me. People outside the church will support you!!
It’s taken 5 years as a post Mormon to get to where I feel like the authentic me.
I left after high school, 2002. It's taken until the last couple of years for me.
I guess I need to be patient with me. ❤
I left 3 years ago and have been in therapy the whole time and still feel in the thick of it at times.
I left in 2012. Took 6 years to remove my records. In 2020 I had my last outburst at my parents for believing in a church who was started by a charlatan pedoph!le. I’d say I’ve REALLY only been completely unaffected by it within the last year and a half. Cheers!
Great work ❤
Deconstruction is one of the hardest things in life.
I come from an extremely small mormon town. My family is soooo deep into the church. My great great great, whatever is Jacob Hamblin, so my family is die hard. A couple of months ago, I commented on an Exmo video and had a guy respond to my comment saying my ancestors weep for me. Turns out he was from my town. He knows my family. 🤦🏼♀️ I can never escape my hometown, let alone this religion. I have surrounded myself with people who have never heard of it and telling them the stories have them rolling. They think it's crazy. 😂 I hope everyone who has escaped is doing okay. It's hard out here. 🖤
Good on you for getting out into the world. It's such a foreign world to me as someone who lives out of the US. Just like Scientology or Islam.
You three make my favorite ex mo team. Always incredible, meaningful takes. So quick. So insightful. So funny. So centered. I just love it.
Wow, thank you!
❤❤❤
I see Mormonism as a purly ego driven religion thanks for all the hard work sending you love and light
👏🏻
Very ego driven! Gods only chosen…gods in embryo? Come on lol
So i was raised Mormon and right before i left on my mission i was like “i can’t go try and convert people to something i don’t have faith in” and that led to my de conversion. It has been so fascinating and intense to deal with my family hating on and judging me for it. My growth in rhetoric and epistemology has led me at this point to think “holy &$?! I was so brain dead” lol. My mom (who is not an active member) will still run defense for the church when we talk about it, and it is so painful when she will literally tell me I’m lying when i tell her about the history of the church.
Deconstructed Catholic here. I so appreciate all 3 of your journeys! Honestly you will never know all the peoples lives you have changed from countless backgrounds. Not just Mormons! The tenants might now be the same but the emotional journey is so relatable. Thank you all for sharing like you do!
I genuinely feel bad for the person who is struggling and still believes that the church is helping her... I see a couple of these people eventually finding their way out, hoping that they can get the support they need.
Or him. Let’s be inclusive Timothy.
@@krsmedley I was referring to the person on the video, pretty sure she was female...
Can't believe nobody noticed how good of a t-shirt idea "Satans pick-me girl" is 😅
Even more simple, Satan's pick-me would be great to have
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You all Rock, I Left The Church in December and am early in my deconstruction journey
Whooooo! That’s huge! Here for ya Jimmy!
@@CarahBurrell Thank You
Congratulations, you graduated 🎓👍
"People are a product of their time, so we need to judge them by those standards." Sure. People were being called out for their racism in the 19th century. Colonialism was heavily critiqued in France as early as Rousseau, potentially earlier. Indigenous people were protesting European settler colonialism as it was occurring. So whose standards? Do white ones only count? Or are we going to consider other voices? These a-historical apologetics drive me up the wall -- colonialism, racism, sexism, etc. have all been critiqued contemporarily. If you want to judge something based on the standards of a given time, you have to know what those standards are, not just assume that they're bigotry.
On the last girl taking into context if your not taught to question you also are unable to argue effectively, and being female she is defending something that tells her she is the lesser human. Which is a lot like defending your abuser. Her response to the comments seem remarkably down this line of victim response. Also Sam I love your therapeutic outlook.
Tanner is ALWAYS on point. So clear, concise and articulate every time he breaks down a point and finishes a thought.
I admire your resilience, intelligence, and critical thinking so greatly. Your content is top tier. Thank you for sharing your experience with the world and calling out all the bullshit ✌️
Whoooooo thank you! 💫
The Scientology “therapy” is called auditing.
As a black person I will be reporting the first 5 seconds of this video as a hate crime.
I walked in thinking I was in Zelph on the Shelf with Nuancehoe... found out it was the other way around. Same great experience
I worked hard to blend in seamlessly and take my place on their shelf.
Girl destroyed that bag of chips in the most respectful way.
This is the first time I’ve seen the exploitation of already disenfranchised communities of people of color acknowledged! Thank you 100% for doing that!!!! As a “convert” from a young age who left in adolescence it was a conflicting and confusing environment. I was the only non-white person at every church event. I also didn’t fit in the humble, service oriented, homemaker bubble. That lead to me being quite literally separated from the group. I’m happy I listened to the “GET OUT” voice.
So happy you got out and are able to have the opportunity to find people who really love and appreciate you.
Love this. Thanks for watching these so I don’t have to. That latter day guy from Target is one of the worst apologists I’ve dealt with on that app in a while😏
It's great to see the three of you together!
I grew up in the church. I did it "right" and didn't lose my recommend and obeyed the laws almost to obsessiveness...I tried. My priesthood "worthy"father was extremely abusive. If I told people, he was my priesthood leader (meanwhile I didn't know about my half sister who was two years younger for 35 years and watched my siblings suffer). I'm out, 52, no community, finally diagnosed DID with cPTSD. And guess what, being raised in a high demand religion or cult can lead to disassociation... so not only my father's abuse, my mother's emotional abuse, BUT the literal church shredded my core identity since birth.
The greatest thing my three children did, was leave the church and leave me questioning. Then I drove deep into my faith and found it lacking.
The creators used science and math to make this universe. Anything that says that is counter intuitive to faith, denies any potential creator. Oh look, it is all messed up, religion that is.
Girl you are FABULOUS keep shining so bright & inspiring us all!
Aw thanks! ❤️❤️❤️
Low key, I kind of miss loving something as much as that guy loved the Temple. I used to feel similarly.
Thank you for a very entertaining and insightful discussion. I'm glad you have managed to find your freedom from the clutches of the cult. Just goes to show how even smart people can be hoodwinked into believing more or less anything - with the right brand of mumbo jumbo and good old B. S.
Loving these collaborations! You guys are so fun
Watching on replay !!!!
Rocking it 🪨
Noelle Bybee served her mission in my area. It doesn’t surprise me that she is TikTok famous.
Regarding the comparisons between Mormon and Muslim culture, as a former Muslim (current atheist) I think there are many. You are right, though, that in western regions, Muslims face much more discrimination that Mormons. I think some Christians over-play the similarities between Mormons and Muslims while under-stating the similarities between themselves and Muslims. All people are similar at the end of the day, and it is sad to see so much bigotry coming from high-control religious groups.
Edit: just wanted to add that I loved the video lol
More of these three please. thanks! feel a lot less alone with you three on my RUclips!
-Drew
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I want to run into that “Target Guy” to tell him how I feel about his TikTok and about my experience being told I was less righteous in heaven than my brothers because I look more like my Samoan Dad than they do…because my skin tone is darker. That racism from “flawed Brigham” still exists in the church today. I’ve seen it. I’ve lived it. I’ve felt it. Deep. I was sad as I was taught in YMs that exhalation meant that I would loose the my Samoan features when I died as I would become white and “pure” in heaven. I was taught this as a teenager, in church.
Unfortunately, this happens if you create a religion in the 19th century. The fact that it is racism based on skin color already indicates that it was invented in a culture with black slaves and white slave owners.
As an "exmo" who grew up in the church, it was interesting to hear some thoughts from converts. The discussion around shame, especially, drew up some heavy emotions. I wonder if converts eventually lean into shame the way that other more thouroughly enmeshed members do? When i look at my multigenerational member family, i notice more and more how their lives are run by shame. I still struggle against that feeling every day, and often wake up from nightmares where ive been shamed by bishops or church members.
Ohhhh. I love Bridger. When I'm done studying he and I are going to have some real good debates. I'm probably also going to take the book of Mormon challenge and write a book, live, from a hat. In response to one of his TikTok challenges.
6:37 I don’t hate them, nor do I love them… I’m simply entertained by the clowns at the circus
I was watching that live with Bridger!! And your screen recording caught me laughing at your comment. Incredible. 😂 I have seen you in public but I didn’t say anything, unlike this guy in Target who obviously felt really pumped he caught you so he could drop the lamest one liner of all time. How is accosting people in public okay?? It’s like they can’t leave exMormons alone. 🙄
I had a really long back and forth with "latterdaychristian". He's a total TBM troll and gets pretty nasty
He is soooooooo obnoxious and his mental gymnastics are quite impressive 🙄🤷🏻♂️
I can rent Zelph on a Shelf as friends? SIGN ME UP!!!
Y’all’s insight is straight up cathartic for me. Thank you ❤
Tanner, YOU are THE MOST NATURAL in front of the camera. Good for you!
thanks! it’s easy for me because unlike my female collaborators i don’t have people constantly picking apart my appearance and policing my every micro movement while assuming to know my inner thoughts and how they correlate with the unconscious insecurities they constantly project on to me!
Hmm yeah Tanner might be onto something here!
you can leave the church but you just cant leave it alone. and I'm glad you guys aren't. good episode, guys!
Sam dissociating at 36:45 killed me.
Did any of you feel “spiritually untethered” when you left the LDS Faith?
I deconstructed my 50 year old religious faith and walked away from it because I realized that none of my childhood questions had ever been answered by the Southern Baptist Church (if g-d is all-powerful why did he need a human sacrifice to forgive me? If Jesus turned water into wine why can’t I tell anyone that my parents drink alcohol?). I was very devoted but now I feel a but unguided. I know I’m not, but I feel that way.
Do/did any of you feel that way?
My two daughters lost interest in the whole marriage/missionary expectations, they're mixed race also, so....... buuhh bye
I love all of you. Like for real. Real love. Xo
WE👏🏻LOVE👏🏻YOU!!
At some point the sacrament lost meaning for me and was just a light snack
And when you go to a mainstream Lutheran church, you even get a sip of wine.
Ok so….is Cara Zelph on the Shelf now? Hahahaha I just saw you’ll be talking about the Dalai Lama and it’s so weird I was literally researching him and Mother Theresa the other day and was left really confused about some things. Would love to see if you guys have similar responses that I had.
Omg sorry this is nuanceho channel lmao
But are you guys like a thing now??? Love seeing this trio ❤
That first guy is a BRO FOR JESUS
When she said, "I'm a Mormon woman and I don't struggle to be perfect." I expected her to say next, "I just am perfect."
Y’all are YEETED
also, love the title!
Just had to say at 16:50 the word is fetch not fuck.
Carat, you are seated between Vanderpump Rules star look-a-likes! They look like ex-Mo Tom and Ariana! They MUST make merch NOW! While it’s such a hot story! I’ll buy the first sweatshirt!
Okay. So burning point about Paul versus Young. Young and Smith continued their racism after the revelations. Paul changed instantly and hated his past self, writing about how he was the lowest of the low and all that. So I do see a direct difference there.
Yea, I would say that growing up in Catholicism, there’s not as much talk abt drugs and alcohol and all that… just to respect your body and be healthy. I appreciate that in modern times, the Catholic Church doesn’t have as much culture of shame or guilt as ppl talk abt existing in the past. Also, the framework and doctrine allows for a lot more diversity and a spectrum of strength in various beliefs, and range of participation… just a lot more religious Tolerance. There’s a preference for what to do, how to be, how often to do things… but at the end of the day, there’s just a couple teachings they say you need to believe in, but one can’t judge and shouldn’t judge, another person nor their relationship w/ God.
I enjoy learning abt and exploring other religions/cultures bc I’m an anthropologist, so I try to be objective, but there’s a lot of issues in Mormonism that give me pause… and the sheer number of ppl that identify as LDS is a lesson in psychological manipulation and authoritarian control.
I mention my denomination bc in learning abt other religions, it makes me grateful that I was raised in one which allows for critical thinking and individuality. It’s not perfect, but the fact I don’t agree w/ all it’s doctrines isn’t something I have to hide or feel bad abt. I empathize alot with y’all bc you grew up not only in a religion, but entire society surrounding it, that didn’t validate how wonderfully unique and special each of y’all are… and wanted to homogenize y’all into some “perfect” Mormon.
Very happy y’all found, and are sharing, your voices!
Epic content as usual.
3:30 "but he's not wearing garments, soo..."
Omg i really hope i dont see my dad. Hes really proud of his mormon tiktok
I'm probably gonna have more to say, but that one woman in the "are you going to wear your garments on Halloween" video? "I'm a teenage girl." No, sweetie. You followed that up with 23 years old. You are not a teenage girl. You are a grown ass woman. Act like one.
My favorite former Mormons!
Very good discussion abt authoritarian/high-control grps & indoctrination- it’s important to explore the psychological aspects & how those aspects occur in everyday life & normal relationships… however, the concentration of them in LDS is the problem. The harmful/dangerous teachings, every type of manipulation from every angle, as well as the lack of transparency & absolute GREED is scary dangerous. The fact the LDS church’s name is actually a Corp… ugh 😣
Can y’all discuss revelations? IMO, one of the most problematic things is how influential & powerful the idea of personal revelation is… how one can literally control others or direct their actions & decisions, whether it’s a person in their own family or a bishop & young adult, or someone preaching abt the future to an audience of ppl… they can manipulate others with their “revelations”, yet there’s no way to tell if they’re “true/false”; thus, it’s rife for an abuse of trust- intended or not. The potential for abuse and harm is so big. The fact that the brain can manufacture them & one doesn’t even know that it’s not a message from God, is really sad… but even scarier, still.
I agree, an org that doesn’t promote critical thinking, and actually demonizes it, is a HUGE RED FLAG.
Love this channel
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Hair dos look smashing on all 3 of you ❤
It’s funny how Samantha keeps calling herself hot. Lol
She is, but it’s still funny.
turning those 15 years of bullying AROUND!
Great ep!
Mormon hymns sound like *dirges*
-an exmo
I love your videos but I am Mormon
I have to take a break and get something from the fridge in the mean time I am going to the planet golub and crank out some spiritual babies
Book of Mormon Stories was the first Exmormon Songbook song I did! ruclips.net/user/shortsEeGZ0ivlTjA
Manny Mo and Jo
damn shawty ur the hottest exmormon in salt lake and utah county fr
Did your mother ever teach you how to be respectful to women?
To everyone here, I’m glad you have found a space in which you can relate and find some entertainment! We all need outlets. But consider if an outlet is healthy if it’s at the detriment of others. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but no one should be shamed for their beliefs, regardless of your thoughts on those beliefs. Being different is okay. :)
Do you believe we shamed people in this video? Can you share how? Because we are very anti-shame!
There always acknowledge that most believers are a product of how they grew up and what their parents believe. People should be allowed to talk and vent about leaving a cult.
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If you think you aren't brainwashed look again, look in the mirror, ...study subconsciousness.
I think this is so true. I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ and stupid youtube keeps putting this channel in my view. It's the lames crap. I don't even watch Just like to see what people say.
But this comment is so good. I love talking to people that can admit they are brainwashed or have biases etc. And also people who admit that they/we know very little. It's so refreshing to learn with them.
Good luck!
@@clearstonewindowsDo you also believe you are brainwashed?
@@amberinthemist7912 Yeah I'm sure I have a lot of biases. And I take a lot of hedonic shortcuts.
Subconsciousness is practically woo used to justify all sorts of beliefs. In psychology there are really only things outside of our awareness, or unconscious, that are occurring in our central nervous system.
@@TheNickhis Yeah, that's what ALL reLIEgions and statism guberNUTS authority elites want the populations to beLIEve.
Jesus is coming
12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.
The Church is true. Keep your sense of humor keep your eternal perspective and most of all keep your testimony.
Fresh take. Hot off the presses. Bold.
No
Prove it
@@CarahBurrell Just like your hair.
@@CarahBurrell I freaking love you. I wish I was quick witted as you. ❤🤣
Tanner needs to shave and Samantha needs to get rid of the bangs (like Kera). Note: my comments are NOT sexist...addressed both Tanner and Samantha on purpose.
You seem cool
all the coolest people make superficial criticisms of strangers’ appearances
What the fuck lmao
Tanner and Samantha look better than 90% of the US population, soo...
And you Sam, stop with the hair flipping. You think it comes across as subliminal, but no, it's obviously intentional . Childish.
You think you’re coming across as helpful and thoughtful but you’re just coming across as mean. It’s no coincidence that Tanner, the man in the group, feels the least self-conscious on camera. Also telling people what you think they think as if it’s fact is a sign of a juvenile mind IMO-you literally don’t know. I’m well aware of my on-camera ticks and have tried hard over the years to eliminate them, but it’s challenging, which you may or may not know depending on whether you’ve ever had a successful RUclips channel and received mean-spirited comments about your looks and personality and character constantly for years.
@@SamanthaShelley Pay no attention Sam. You are absolutely fabulous. You have gorgeous hair, and it can't be flipped enough!
@SamanthaShelley next video get Tanner to flip his hair. Everyone should flip their hair as much as they'll want.
The guy should laugh less.