Ex-Mormons Ask Cult Expert Steven Hassan Questions. Eyes Get Teary.
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- A life WITH cult experts is better than a life WITHOUT cult experts. Quote me on that. It's the one and only Steven Hassan, answering all our questions as we sit back feeling like we're getting free therapy. My bud Kyle Bishop from BeyondGodandReligion joins me for this very special chat!
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Wow, you were super uncomfortable doing the trauma exercises! The programming must be really strong for Utah Mormons who are taught the worst, most restrictive form of Mormonism with the strongest persecution complex.
I did the thought experiment as Steven Hassan said, I paused the video. I put myself in the temple, I ripped the temple clothing off, ran out of the temple crying and screaming, straight into the arms of my best friend waiting outside.
I literally, physically reacted to this, I sobbed.
You got the exercise! I'm thinking about what I would do.
When I watched Turning Red (the Pixar movie) and the scene where she chose not to complete the ritual, but to be herself, I sobbed and sobbed...because that's not what happened to me. I promised not to be myself. I stayed. I shoved myself into the closet to stay there. And I don't know how to take it back now.
Just tell yourself it's okay.
It's never too late to realize you were wrong and understand why.
The church is intentionally aggressively controlling.
It's not your fault.
You didn't do this to yourself.
@@zacheryeckard3051 amen ❤
I also related to that!!!! It just takes one step at a time. Even baby steps can feel big. But if you start to choose yourself, your happiness, and your intuition every day, even if you mess up you start making new habits of choosing yourself. For me it's started becoming more and more natural and intuitive to choose me. It's hard. But it's also liberating. And it gets easier as time goes on. Celebrate yourself, your wins, honor your hard days, have compassion for times you may have chickened out and not been there for yourself...most of all, just fill yourself and your life with love. The church, and other high demand groups and cults, teaches us that taking care of our own wants and needs is selfish and wrong. But they villainize self-care so much that, for me anyway, listening to my inner voice and choosing myself first has been so hard because I'm not used to it. But seriously. It's friggin worth it. Much love to you ❤❤❤❤
The important thing is to not lose yourself. Protect your values, do not let the internet destroy you while you try to "Find yourself". Not everyone you love will hate you, some will stay in contact with you if they can. Your life will change, hopefully its not too drastic(stay away from hard drugs, probably drugs in general || weed is not a hard drug, its like like beer but it affects your executive function in the brain[over long periods of consistent use, some people have short term memory loss or desire to complete certain complex tasks-: aka burn out]). If you have kids, you will want to talk with a lawyer before you do anything. Talk to your significant other. Let them know. If you do not have kids of a significant other, just leave, its easy...
Sometimes you forget who you are so going back doesn't work. But you don't have to be the old you, you can be a new you. A new confident, you, who isn't scared anymore, isn't ashamed, isn't controlled.
I lost myself, my youthful joy, trust, and confidence...but when I decided to quit masking, quit playing their game, I suddenly felt stronger. I tried everything, I decided I kd live a life if no regrets, no shame, no guilt. I became more thoughtful with my words and with myself. I stopped being used for my kindness and in that, felt empowered to be stronger.
I came out as nonbinary at 30. I was with a man....but ended that manipulation. I may have anxiety, but I feel more myself. My anxiety is less than before, because I can logically look at it. I can see and feel it coming and acknowledge it and let it run its course and move forward, rather than bury, hide, and pretend I am not feeling anything.
I don't have to pretend to be ok when I'm not.
Cause it's ok to not be ok.
It's ok to think of yourself. To be yourself. To change. To grow. Its ok to not be the same as everyone else. It is ok to follow your own personal plan. Don't let the pressure of other miserable people make you stay miserable.
I love his face when you’re describing the ceremony 😂 even the cult expert is like WHAAAATTT 😂
Cults are pretty predictable in broad strokes, but the methods they use are so varied and creative! It's part of what makes this content so interesting. I'm sure it never ceases to amaze Hassan, despite his experience.
Exactly!
At 36:40 I can see Carah's death grip on her arm in between breaths.
We really appreciate the difficult work!
Edit: not to make anyone self conscious. It's just authentic psychology 💜
Yes!!! That was my thoughts exactly!
Jim Dehlin is a person that I see as a devil in disguise . He acts and talks and looks just like I picture Satan . Talking in his soft voice . Asking questions and trying to act so intelligent . And at times even trying to be fair to both sides . Very cunning guy . Can’t leave the church alone but all his guests do nothing to prove truth wrong and just make fools out of themselves .
I agree with Dr. Hassan: there is a soul inside of us that doesn't want to be constrained. 🍂
I knew this was gonna be good so I got out my journal to take notes. (Ya know, like good old general conference style. Old habits are hard to break. 😆) I freaking am writing down about 90% of everything said…this is so good.
Awwwwww that's so dope. Yay.
That's a great idea !!! . I still journal at 46 but left the church years ago .
Omg that just brought back memories when I was younger and in the church taking notes at general and stake conferences.
I remember a voice screaming get out of here. But I just assumed it was Satan. That's the problem with believing your thoughts either come from God or Satan. You don't even know which thoughts belong to you. Also how can you separate mind and body. They are literally all connected. Very good point.
Excellent post. I was taught my thoughts were from the great mind (God) or you were evil. A little different take on either God, or Satin. It actually makes your own thoughts Satin. Thank you for reminding me.
So crazy isn't it?! It is literally teaching you not to think. Cause it is dangerous to the cult! They make you believe you are not just crazy...BUT EVIL! For having your own personal thoughts.
Just insane when I think about it now.
I was from a serious Mexican catholic family. Like...learning my own history as a mexican...the history of catholicism, as opposed to Mexican catholics...it is obvious what happened, why Spanish, Russian, Irish, etc catholicism is all so different. Because they just blended with the local. Lol...then to be swayed by Mormons early in life out if curiosity...not too deep, luckily,, but enough to see the folly of all religion (Mormons did that, so...lol TAKE THAT CREDIT MORMONISM)...because there is a huge community in my small town....and my best friend was a mormon.
Steven Hassan is the GOAT. Glad to have him on your podcast. Wise choice!
So its not just a coincidence so many MLMs have mormon / ex mormon leadership ? Maybe another topic for another day.
The process of going back to early experiences and reframing it to claim your liberty is soooo real. I literally play these scenarios out when I’m cleaning. Or driving. Or whenever the come to mind. I’m talking OUT LOUD W INFLECTION AND SASSSSSS! It’s the BEST. REALLY enjoyed this!
The most interesting thing about this video is when Steve asked Cara and Kyle what they would do differently if they could go back in time to their endowment knowing what they know now and NEITHER of them could actually even understand the question. Guys, if I went back in time to the endowment knowing what I know now, I would have immediately walked out of the room. Like, NO WAY AM I DOING THAT. Even understanding all of the consequences, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm doing that. I wonder why it was so hard for Kyle & Cara to understand what he was asking them to do? Even when Cara finally did give an answer it was her current self giving advice to her old self. You don't get the healing effect if you can't visualize yourself making the alternate choice.
I noticed that and wondered why they couldn't seem to wrap their minds around what he actually wanted them to do. And all I could think of was that being born into Mormonism ( or whatever mind-controlling org. it is ) you just can't imagine simply saying "no" or saying "I'm outta here" because of the life-long indoctrination and it's kinda sad
This is marvelous. ❤ for anyone deconstructing or diving deeply or recovering, the work you are doing is profoundly nourishing. Thank you. ❤️✊🏼
Kudos!👍🏻❤️ Indeed, it'll be great when all children, young adults,
and adults are encouraged to:
question ALL things, investigate, discern, scrutinze, and search for truth.
Thank you so much for that all of you! I've listened to all the interviews from the doctor over the past week and each of them have helped me to heal and gain insights, tools and so many things from to help me overcome the really dark experience I had in the Mormon cult. I was baptized at age 9 so kind of grew up but still treated different because even 9 yrs. Of not being there was a stigma. It has really helped me with all of this. ❤️
you’re so close together, pretty cool in my book. great show.
Loved the thought experiment. I have thought a lot about what I wish I would have done during or after my experience. I wish I would have told the lady feeling me up to keep her hands to herself. I wish I would have rolled my eyes when I was given the veil and Eve apron. I wish I would have cracked up when I was chanting and said refused to cover my face. Finally, when I was given the super secret handshake to get into heaven, I would have said exactly what I was thinking, "You can't be serious." Made every excuse never to return to the temple, sadly, it took another 3 years before I threw those garments in the trash. Only regret is that I didn't do it the minute I walked out of the temple, and didn't talk to my friend who was with me and ask her that she can't be taking this seriously..
You reminded me of the first time I went through the temple. I was thinking what the heck is going on here, was trying to go along with the program, until I looked over at the men with those silly caps on. I was seriously fighting back the laughter and I knew something was horribly wrong. Of all the crazy shit I went through it was the hats that did me in. 😂
Wait, this is the human who put the words to the B.I.T.E. Model?!?!?!?!
It almost sounds like EMDR therapy but you know I'm thankful for this and I can relate to this in domestic violence also with narcissistic abuse and everything else so thank you so much for sharing and I'm still working on my healing❤
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to explain these matters in layman terms. I found your conversation very soothing and enlightening. I felt as though I kind of knew this already but hearing others cover the same issues is what is helping set me free from my own prison.
I got to spend this past Sunday with Dr Hassan. What a rich treat. So wise and so insightful. Loved every minute. Will be getting into his books. ❤
Oh my gosh. I’m so grateful for this.
This was really great, thank you all!
It's great to see the rapport between you guys.
Are you telling me a MAN anointed you in the temple?… WTAF??!! I was anointed by a “sister”. Which is “right”? Lol. EFF THAT. Telling a Bishop my inner most thoughts at 8yo, in a room all alone with him, was enough. I told my mom right afterwards that I was choosing to never go in there alone again. I WAS 8! She honored that. Dude had to have been a creeper. I already believed I was smarter than him! Lol 💪🏼
No, I think Carah was relating the experience to Kyle, as she was looking at Kyle, as in his experience he would've been anointed by a man. Carah would've been anointed by a woman.
Brilliant Interview. I learned so much. Thank you!
Wow this was so intense in such a good way. I learned so much
Wow! Very helpful. So glad I have found this.
Thanks for this Carah, I hope it helps people!
I hope so too!
This video is such a great resource! It’s really need to hear about culty Mormon issues from a academic expert.
Love Dr. Hassan and his work! Great video! I would encourage you both to go back and listen again to his instructions about re-scripting events in the past. You were both focusing on what you would*say* to your younger self. That's not the exercise. He's asking you to re-interpret the event from the POV of your younger self *with* your current day knowledge and perspective.
It's a valuable exercise and I think you'll recognize the distinction between what he instructed and your interpretation 👍👍
Love Dr. Hassan! He has a heart of gold! Excellent book! Also, he has a podcast too! 😎🎻♥️
Hassan's work is very important and helpful, but since he wasn't raised in a cult, he truly cannot understand that those of us raised since infancy in a cult never had the same kind of True Self that he was privileged to have. I think unless you've lived it--having never had autonomy and power or conscience choice, it is understandable he can't exactly get the lack of choice and autonomy that is very real for those raised in a cult.
He has some great insight, but I think you’re right. It’s much different when we never had a choice. Even if you weren’t raised by TBM’s, the influence from living in a highly religious community can be overwhelming. Most religions are a major mind fuck in my opinion.
It's so frustrating. I have a lot in common with Carah when it comes to our parents. I just don't see a way to breach that barrier and have a rational discussion about why they focus so much on one method of obtaining information. What are they afraid of? If they turned the channel for a week or two, what damage would that realistically do to them? It's like an obsession, they need to know daily who they need to hate and fear. There's so much more to life!!
54:00 They talk about fear
I didn't find out until I was an adult that my mother was ALMOST taken away by Scientologists in 1977 after her first difficult academic year was her freshman year in college.
I was allowed to try and believe in God, but when it turned out that I didn't she was very anti mind control and now I understand why it was a passion for her.
Edit: While Predators are often narcissists, I do believe that they pray on people w/other personality disorders, especially in the Cluster C & B ranges, to get the most out of their work.
Really great content! Thank you.
Gold. Thank you CB. ❤
I enjoyed the “disassociation” process, and I followed the instructions. Thanks for the helpful message. 👍🏽
This is amazing!!!!!!! ❤
I'm like... So nerded out that you got him on your channel??? Haha this is amazing!!
Love the healing exercise suggestions!
Awesome collab 😍
Its so cool to see more peeps seeing you.
Beautiful! I loved the advice and discussion of experiences.. I have just started my deconstruction journey and I cannot wait to figure out who I am and how to be more healthy!
❤️❤️🤟🏻 here for you!!
As a manager, I have found that some people do not want to think for themselves, the want others to be responsible for the decisions being made. I think it could be one of the reasons why some people we find to be intelligent would follow along with the church, even though the slightest bit of critical thinking would probably challenge their testimony. It’s easy to go along with the cult. Your days are planned out for you, your friends are the people in your ward, and you just generally don’t have to make half of the decisions put in front of you. I think for some folks it’s just a place to belong. Lots of people need something to belong to. How many people here would go to a restaurant alone, or do a vacation alone? Some of my family members attend because it’s the one place they feel important. They wear a suit, they have a leadership position that they don’t have in their careers. I feel sad for these folks that can’t seem to feel comfortable in their own skin, or find happiness outside of the LDS cult. Keep up the good work!
Hi I live near the Mormon Temple of Toronto which is not anywhere near Toronto. It's in another city. I grew up near The Mormon Temple when it was just being built. I've been invited a couple of times since then. Both times I felt preyed upon as very quickly people approached me to join MLMS since then. I've always declined to engage the missionaries from any religions. I always got mad when my mother paid a dollar or two for a magazine that was problematic. I've met so many missionaries now. I accidentally came across your work from the algorithm. The missionaries are young good looking but clearly uneducated and ignorant men. While they may have university degrees they need to be challenged. Thanks for giving me the tools to challenge them to hopefully challenge them from staying in this destructive cult masquerading as a religion.
This is fantastic! I’m utterly fascinated about how us humans can be mind controlled; both individually, and en-masse, and Steven’s explanations, and in-depth knowledge, are so insightful and educational. I’m actually going to watch this again!
It is really interesting. And it is, interestingly, part of American, and most societies. Mind control is the only way to be in control. They lie to us, but enough of us believe. That the rest of us follow, in so many situations, and the fear f not being enough, not being like the rest, not being true. They just use our emotions and insecurities against us.
that was good! thank you
Bring it OoOoooOoOoooOOn!
Well done!
Oh wow. Karen Armstrong was my RE teacher at school in the seventies in London. So amazing to hear her name again. I was very lucky to go to a school with strong and progressive female teachers. Karen taught us about different religions and also we did ‘ethics’ including learning about topics such as abortion. I know later on she used to appear in Sunday religion/philosophy shows on TV.
Great interview. Thanks for using specific examples to explain everything.
To apply the exercise in this video:
I was raised mormon and I don't really regret my early childhood in the church but I would go back and change the moment I was 12 & with my mom at Desert Book. She was returning 'No Man Knows My History' & calling it Anti-Mormon lies. 😂 If a couple things had gone differently it would have saved me from 13 more years struggling to make the church work.
Haha I wonder if it struck her that it was the official bookstore for the church. And, if so, how she concluded it was anti.
Thanks!
Phobia “Where will you go? ! What will you do?” Brad Wilcox, te fearmonger
It's interesting that we frequently use the examples of those that stayed vs those that left. We seldom recognize the hierarchy system that exists among those that stay in. Do the terms MORE righteous or MOST righteous strike a chord? If you pay 10% you are always behind those that pay 10.5%. If you attend the temple weekly there is someone doing it twice a week. And on, and on...
I just learned of an interesting, cultish practice: The 'breaking of the wand' - most recent I think was at Queen Elizabeth's funeral.
When I saw Kyle Bishop in the photo, I thought he was Kody from "Sister Wives."
Lullllzzz
You’re so polite and sweet. :)
If I were to do that thought experiment... I'm trying to think of a situation where it really mattered. Okay... In our cult, there was a holiday called the Feast of Unleavened Bread, taken from the Torah/Pentateuch. So we would refrain from eating anything with leaven (i.e. yeast) for a week. There was a time at a restaurant when the restaurant gave ice cream with cookies. Everyone politely took the cookies out and put them elsewhere. If I were the me of today, I would eat the cookie and just sit back and have my face like, "Go ahead. Ask me why I did."
I've paused at 42:43 having heard your hesitancy and feel like I can relate. My first time through the temple I don't think I could have said or done anything different with the knowledge that I have now, because it's only with that experience of the first time that I can know the things I've learned now.. but my second time I remember leaning over to the stranger next to me and asking her for help and I think I would have wanted to say instead what I really felt and so nearly asked, which would have been- this is weird right? and then I would have asked my grandma the questions I still would like to ask- if only I could be sure my revelation of leaving the church wouldn't send her to the grave. I went through the initiatory, endowment and sealing all the same day with my husband of a year without my children in 2015 and even getting there came with a pleading prayer that I could still be saved and that somehow I'd still be able to save my children. and I've tried desperately to live within that dissonance.. until about 6 months ago when I heard things again I wasn't previously able to understand and it all clicked. I fell down a rabbit hole and found my way out of wonderland... and now I'm in the thick of deconstructing and would be so lost without your videos and experience Carrah! (and soooo many others in the YT Exmormon space!)
Excellent program, thank you so much. Btw Instagram link doesn't work.
I really enjoyed this. I have only seen your shorts...but I am committing to one video every day til i have fully watched your channel.
My ex was a mormon. My family is in a different cult....Mexican catholicism. Lol.
The hypocrisy, lies, secrets,, and need to be better than micheala and conchita at church, need to be pure, and 🎉considered a good catholic by the preist, (committing enough time volunteering, time in the women's groups praying, and money), and be considered as good as other women in your age group in the church, to feel worth...is insane.
It us literally just beating yourself up to be worthy, or being scandalous to get ahead. That's it. That is catholicism, and most cults.
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lol Carah can't keep her hands still, i see you, fellow ADHD brain
Ahhhhh... ok -was wondering what was going on with that. Thanx for clueing me in
Okay... I'm finally ready to watch my favorite YT people talking about my least favorite subject!
In my college social psychology class we had a cult expert come and discuss the aspects of a cult. I asked him how that differed from traditional religion and he hemmed and hawed and then said that traditional religions had been around long enough to be established. I then asked him if there were any other differences and after some more hesitation he finally, quietly, said no. So the difference between traditional religions and cults is how long they have been around.
I have a very legitimate phobia of ketchup. Yes, the condiment.
I'd love to take a closer look on what his view would be how to overcome
Yes
Would you touch on the colonialistic practices of the church in other countries?
Thank you for thi video is so good!!
Went exactly twice. Only went back because I didn't believe the crap the first time. Didn't believe it the second time either. Trainload of horse manure.....
Traded church services with a Mormon returned Missionary: had that same experience in his church.
I didn't know the teacher from Ferris Bueller became a cult expert 🤔
excellent
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Hey! You could have had Bednar teach you about mind control... 😂
Love your channel, but the sound quality on this episode needed improvement. Just fyi for future episodes❤
I know, I knew I would get this comment. We were in a hurry and it was the best we could do with three people but it haunts me, trust me haha
Oh yes that saying THAT YOU GOT FROM ME
I’m trying to go one episode without naming you haha
@@CarahBurrell well you took the low road ;)
People are starting to think we’re gay for each other and if that’s gonna be the rumor, I need you to pick up name dropping me in every video of yours so I don’t look like the dom here. People can say whatever they want about me on the internet, just not that.
Jeepers JHC 😝😅 answer his damn question @40:50. . . A very healing practice
My answer: get me the fuck out of here!! This is nuts
I’ll marry Kyle!
Why did you Kyle and John all have such a hard time answering the question “what would you do if you went back in time with what you know now?” It’s almost like the brain can’t reckon with that question very easily, there’s some kind of block, which seems bizarre to me. Or maybe you were just all too quick to abstractify the question? Or maybe I’m just overthinking it and you didn’t get the specific ask right away
I’d never thought of it before and yes couldn’t even think of a way my 19 year old self could have done that. There was no way she could have and we needed a warm up to get there. But saying everything out loud was really freeing once we got there.
@@CarahBurrell amazing
There's a lot to pick apart, maybe because of the time and life since then? Part of me wants to stand up and yell that it's a cult and give my future spouse the choice of leaving with me right then, our families be damned. Part of me fears that I wouldn't have the good parts of my life today if I hadn't had those TBM years.
As he mentioned at the end, there is often disassociative disorder that goes along with being a member of a cult at that level. So actually being able to put yourself in your body when you were younger is going to take me time.
My MIL is in the Family of God/ the family international. What a mess! Thanks to my FIL, who I never met my husband was not truly in it. His half siblings were. 😢his uncle is in very deep and lives in Mexico or Panama. Has children all over the place. From age 1 or so to well into 50s.
Mother/ son relationship is very controlling even in his 50's thankfully she is a 9-hour flight away. Siblings are strained to non relationship.
I grew up with close relationships with family so took a long time to understand
I think if I could go back to my young self experiencing the temple for the first time, I wouldn’t leave lol I’d still go through it because I’m a curious person and would want to know. Afterwards I’d tell literally anyone who would listen about it and show them the garments and everything. Because one of the things I think is gross and harmful is that they don’t tell you what’ll happen. Then I’d throw the garments away and never go back to church. Although now that I say this I think I’d have a problem being in the temple and making the covenants. Because I won’t do any of the things they tell you to say. So maybe I’d have to leave. Then I could still tell people what I saw before those things happened, throw away the garments, stop going to church, and find people who did go through the temple and have since left so I can hear about the rest of the ceremony.
The Vallow/Daybell trial is not going to be broadcast because they (the church) do not want the strange beliefs out to the general public.
These horrible people (Chad, Lori and her brother Alex) did take their beliefs to the extreme, but they definitely got their ideas from the LDS church teachings. There was so much talk about going to the temple and the Celestrial room etc.
Wow! They can't travel back and change their most cult like experience in the church!!! Thats interesting.
I wish your videos had portuguese close captions. I need to talk expand the many insights with my “neighbour” and the are all brazilians and hardly ever speak English. The automatic cc won’t do the job.
I have listened to many videos from other religions as well as Mormon Stories and as a nevermo Episcopalian, something i have only heard on the mormon related stories is the question of this religion being “true”. That specific word. True. Is that a word in the creeds or statements you say or answers you must give? Honest curiosity here. Those who typically wonder if you are buying their story (“lie”) are the ones most concerned about you believing they are telling the truth. But just the word “true” kind of reminds me of the “keep sweet” comment, a word drilled in I guess.
"The one true church" and "I know the Church is true" are very common formulations that you hear repeated many times every Sunday, not to mention in other meetings and church publications etc etc. ("The Church" = Mormonism)
@@katyanelson thanks.
Is nuanceho ever going to stop looking at herself and fixing her blouse, hair, posture etc as if we can't see her. LOL! Great episode! Steven brings up many good points on the thought processes, both conscious and unconscious . Lots of members of the church think critically and still believe. If you completely abandon God, it's easier to walk away, but if you do believe in God, one is hard pressed to find something, anything, better. I find it interesting that as people do leave, they feel the need or the compulsion to wear their identity on their sleeve. It's like going to AA, Hi I'm Cara and I'm an ex-Mormon. They spend an awful lot of time talking about it. I sincerely ask why not move on? Why not Hi, I'm Cara. I do get there are comments here from others feeling a connection to your experiences so may be that's the answer? Community bonding? I don't know.
Yup crying at the question he asked y’all
This man looked like his brain just fried and he couldn't handle the information he just herd.
I need to start helping my kids heal from my crappie mothering. I violently wake up. I have thrown a pillow at a scared child and I have almost punch a different 1.... I told them to stand in the door way and wake me up AND THEN come in the room. Poor kids probably think the boogie monster is safer then mom.
If your comment is real.. you need help. Especially for your children’s sake..
Children are absolutely precious and need lots of hugs and love. Your issues shouldn’t be thrust upon them otherwise you are the adult.
I really would like to hear about Brigham Young. Was he true beliver or scammer like Smith?
His name bringem young tells U everything!
@david janbaz I remember once hearing he told his first wife he didn't want have mire wives but he had to. That sounded like a lie to me. That and he was the leader after Smith is all I know about him. His name stuck out to me. Like you pointed out. Neverno here.
In south America (Brazil in my case) we have strong influence of african and native americans (understanding América as the entire continent). I grew up lds hearing that non Christians were evil, with direct contact with de devil. Imagine being a kid being taught that your on culture os dangerous. I am talking about my ancestors religion and way of life. The lds church refrexed the concept of colonization. We are talking about colonization as a proxies, right?
Ditch the music😁
The more RUclips videos I watch about this stuff the more the commercials are getting more ridiculous and creepy
I went thru the Mormon temple in the 1970's. Every since that, I've figured it's BS. I eventually married a TBM, thinking she'd be more faithful. And it's ok . No kink, tho. Enemy though I'm into that....
11:30 it’s called cognitive dissonance.
If I didn't know better I would think you were talking phobia irrational fear from the last three years 😅
My experience in the temple is memorable, purposeful, and helpful. Not the cult you describe at all. ❤
It is so easy to point fingers and say they are a cult. So what do you believe in God, in Jesus, in the Bible what??
I believe in things I have evidence for. Why is so strange to religious people?
@@caecandy So you do not believe there is a God or Jesus or the Bible so that explains why you put down the LDS. See I can back up everything I believe using the Bible scriptures.
@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr You understand that that sounds to me like, "I believe in elves, and I can use the Lord of the Rings to prove it." Using the Bible to prove the Bible is missing some basic logic.
@@caecandy Ok I will back up a bit, the creation of this earth and the sun, stares and universe all testify there is a God. The testimonies of man kind have communicated with God and wrote down the things God told them from the beginning. There are many people that have received revelation from God, there are many people that have experience death and come back to testify of life after death. You are like a blind person when people say how beautiful a sun set is and the plants and everything you say I do not believe because there is no evidence.
@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr I believe the earth is wonderful and beautiful. So why not believe in the Quran? Or the Vedas? There are many people who say they've spoken to God.
I just wish he would have treated this like a conversation rather than a lecture. He goes on for so long and loses the thread most of the time.
What is that?
The First token of the schlobby dobber doo
Has it a name?
It has
Will you give it to me?
I will through the veil….Scooby dooby doo.
Ruh roh!
Lol, this made me remember one time long ago when I got this question and I replied, "I will through the navel"!!!! 😂
@@FeliciaGomezBoothe Technically true!
Why to bill keeps popping up on my RUclips page church is true and I really don’t care what y’all think.