Skyline is def the most comfy one! If comfort at camp is priority I always grab the Skyline. But if multiday trip is on the agenda, where grams count i tend to lean to the Helinox.
I agree with you about the REI Flexlite Air. I got it on sale and took it on a weekend outing and returned it to REI when I got back home. Same reason you gave the seat is way too deep due to the design. I ended up getting the Heliox Zero, I don’t love it, but it’s way better than them the Flexlite Air
Rocks, logs, and dirt have been my chairs while backpacking for the last 60 years. But dirt is dirty, logs are often wet (Oregon), and rocks are rarely comfortable. I picked up a Helinox Zero last week at a remainder price and will test it in a local wilderness area tonight. My suspicion is the Zero will come on short mileage hikes and be left alone at home on longer treks.
I have the flexlite REI I got it on a sale for 60$. I feel like for that price, weight and performance that 60 bucks is a complete no brainer. I get your gripes with it but at the end of the day any chair under a pound and a half is going to be not very stout and it’s going to bend and move either way with a 200Lb rider. I also feel like chairs are really hard to review and rate because people’s body types are so different and one could style could fit one person so well and another so uncomfortable.
I could not do that chair even for 60! As I sat in it at the store and promptly fell over sideways…. And I figured if I can’t sit on it on a stable concrete floor then how successful would it be in the wild
@@lizzaangelis3308 I’m 215 close to the max on this and it supports me just fine. Great even for being the lightest of the group. And half the price…..
The REI chair fits the sand pad featured on the first chair too. Not the most comfortable chair but for less than half the price of a helinox I find it to be a no brainer
I'm 230 and the rei flexlite has never creeked or groaned under my weight, even when i am drunkenly stumbling around the campfire feeding it and plopping down into the chair, tipping over and plopping down again over and over 😂
I’ve sat in almost all of these chairs. Each chair I have tried has its plus and minuses. The Zero Chair is my favorite for cooking because it makes you sit up. The Nemo is the most adjustable. The Skyline is the most comfortable but heavy. I went with the REI Flexlite Air because weight is always a factor, and for my body type it allows me to sit how I want at camp. I would go sit in all of these before you make a final choice on a chair. The REI Flexlite is my favorite, but at 2 lbs I can justify carrying that for only an hour or two at camp a night. Good overview Devin!
I picked up two Chinese "chair zero" knockoffs for $50. Seating for both me and my hiking partner for less than your cheapest option, and they hold 250 pounds. As someone who deals with chronic pain from Connective Tissue Disorder, having the back support of a chair means I don't have to lay down immediately after a hike. Pain can make you useless, but I can cook from a seated position, and can rest enough sitting with back support to be able to tackle camp setup tasks. Disabling conditions don't care how old you are or how healthy you look, but those of us who have disabling conditions still benefit (I suspect even more than normal people) from nature exposure. It may not look the same as you active outdoorsy types, but even short strolls in the park have immense health benefits.
This! I have Rheumatoid but still get out there. I require more luxury items than some others and am limited to 8 miles or less for multiple day hikes- I need the chair, a pillow, extra comfy shoes etc! But it’s so beneficial to get out there!
The one problem I see, and so with most, is china. Our dependence on them has hurt our country economically and will continue to do so in the future. I don’t know where the chairs in this video were m. But… I’ll bet …China 😢
@@kmichaelp4508 helinox chairs are made in Korea and manufactured in Vietnam and don’t know if you know this or not but they are basically like china- slave labor and if you think they aren’t stealing the design and making their own cheap version think again. I challenge you to find All your gear from American made and manufactured gear- I’ll wait
Great comparison video! I’ll have to try the Big Agnes, thank you! So far I have been using the Helinox large version of the Zero which sits %50 higher than the helinox zero. I made a tyvek groundsheet with gorilla tape to reinforce the edges, weighing in at 30 grams (great RUclips video shows how to make it). Together, the chair and the groundsheet are 664 grams. Super comfy.
Great video. I have the Big Agnes Big 6 which I family camp and backpack with. It’s heavier but very comfortable. I’ve been trying to find a lighter chair that could replace the Big 6 on trips. I’ve tried all these in store multiple times. My next chair will be the Big Agnes Skyline UL. I’m 6ft and 200lbs and testing the other 1lb chairs made me feel like I was going backwards in overall quality of comfort vs weight.
I own both the rei flexlite and now the chair zero and have tried the nemo elite. The chair zero is the most stable due to the horizontal bar under the seat. Also the fabric doesn’t stretch like the silnylon in the flexlite. Both of these features contribute to a less "floaty" feeling. The nemo elite pinches into my rib cage, I suspect because they are using slightly smaller tubing diameter to save weight and bulk. I'm only 155lbs, so imagine it would be worse on larger people. The Big agnes chair is a deal breaker because 11 extra ounces is way too much extra weight to carry for a chair. It all boils down to this: choose your compromise
Great breakdown! Helinix makes a lightweight mat to use with the chair Zero. Been using that for almost a year and a half now and no more digging into the ground.
Great comparison, Devin! As others have stated, my reason for going with the REI chair was price/weight. I’m generally fine without a chair, but when I’m going to spend more time in camp I like to have a little luxury. For $60, the REI chair is more comfortable than the ground and under a pound (without the bag). Reasonable trade off. And I just heard about a sink-reduction hack to cut a slit into plastic golf balls for the feet of the chair. I was definitely eying the Nemo elite chair with pro deal pricing, but I still wonder if it’s worth the weight and complexity compromise.
Absolutely agree about the REI chair. The moment I sat in it in the store I knew it wasn’t gonna do it for me. Owned the Moonlight Elite for about a week. I didn’t feel it in my quick sit at the store, but after bringing it home and testing it in my house…the hard plastic in the seat part dug into my thighs. Returned. You’re spot on with the Chair Zero. I ended up with it cos I hadn’t sat in one in years. I got mine online for 112 usd shipped. But not the most comfortable/stable. Kinda wishing I would’ve got the Skyline. The weight was the deterrent.
I've got the decathlon chair. Snagged it on sale for $25 a couple years ago and LOVE it! Even at its full price of $60 it is a fantastic chair. My only complaint is not a unique problem to the decathlon chair, rather it's a problem all of the chairs with skinny legs have. It sinks in soft ground. I actually just picked up a El cheapo backpacking chair at Aldi for $15 that includes a ground sheet. It just happens to fit the legs on my decathlon chair perfectly. Weight penalty of 3 oz is well worth it and now I've got a phenomenal chair that also doesn't sink.
I have two of these. Love them as well. But I needed one more for my bro in law and nephew. So our trip I’ll be trying the moonlite elite. If I don’t like it my nephews backpack I’ve been putting together will have an expensive chair. 😂
if you are talking bout the decathlon mh500 chair - they sell a ground sheet specially for this chair for only 8eur. I also have this chair, it is a bit heavy, about 1KG, but more comfy for my back and sitting position in general , better than a Big Agnes chair. The only good thing for Big Agnes chair is its hight, but not the sitting comfort (I tried both).
I just discovered the Skyline UL Stool and I love it! You get the same seat height as the UL Chair and the weight of the Chair Zero. It also packs down smaller and has a price of $99. I have the Nemo Moonlight Elite, too, and kept having problems with the corners popping off the frame.
I love the skyline stool. Its not as comfy as the skyline or mica basin chairs but it's more comfortable than the helinox chairs and most other lightweight chairs Ive tried
I've been using the Get Out Gear Trekchair v2 and its amazing. Full head height, so I can lean my head back, at a weight of 22oz. Ive seen some reviews indicating that it can break, but those where pre-production v1 chairs, and all reviews I've seen of the v2 indicate no problems, and mine has worked without problems.
I'm a mid 70's hiker/camper on a semi fixed budget, so i don't have a lot of money to waste. I bought a Trekology Yizi Go a few years ago. 15-inch seat height, so easy on my bad knees to get out of after walking a few miles or more, holds 300 pounds, and is almost as comfortable as my Lazy Boy. It's a little heavier than yours, but i can handle that for the rest and comfort at night. I've actually dozed off in it it's so comfortable
@kenhiett5266 yeah, you're probably right. It's a lazy boy so I guess they are crap. That is why their warranty is so good. The point I was alluding to is my hiking chair Is very comfortable and allows me a very good degree of relaxation as does my recliner at home, a point which most readers seem to have understood without me pointing it out.
@@kokopelau6954 Have you tried an Ekornes Stressless recliner? If you buy one of those, you'll never go back to anything else, and you'll never compare it to your hiking chair. Cheers
@kenhiett5266 again. I am not comparing it to my home recliner, just that it allows me a comfortable relaxation for my 77 year old joints and bones. Chairs are like opinions, everybody has their favorite. Doesn't make any one better or worse, just different except in the eye of the beholder; to smash a metaphor.
Oh and one more thing about the Chair Zero- you don’t experience all of what you said sitting on a stable flat surface (like in an REI). But in the real word…its flaws tend to expose themselves fairly quickly. I’m making a Tyvek groundsheet soon. But I might pick up a Skyline if I don’t get along with it after that.
I have the big agnes and have compared it to the chair zero and found it so much more comfortable. I am totally willing to have the small amount of extra weight for the comfort.
This video confirms that the comfort of many gears are subjective. I recently tried the Helinox, Nemo and REI chair in a REI store and found the REI chair to be the most stable and comfortable for me.
Appreciate you video; well done. Wondering your take on the Get Out Gear Trekking pole chair? My take: 1) at 6'7" all my stuff is big, a high back chair is almost a must 2) adjustable posture by adjusting pole height (not as easy as moonlight elite but available unlike most chairs), so lounge more or sit up for eating/prep/etc 3) decent weight 1.5lbs (1.5 with bag) 4) price is good (currently on sale for $99 or $149 (from ~$129/$199) with the carbon fiber poles and additional discounts for multiple purchase). 5) innovative, appreciate a US garage company trying to think outside the box cons 1) would appreciate additional saved weight (chair zero high back is 1.5 with the poles); understand that additional weight savings will add to cost 2) would appreciate integrated ground sheet/storage bag - I made my own using youtube recommendations 3) problematic to use with a trekking pole tent if desired, tent is obviously flat when chair is used. 4) Pole limitations: don't use cheap aluminum poles....they bend at the tip; trust me 🤣. Company recommends against using aluminum poles, z-poles, and angled grips. Note: original issue with their hubs was limited and addressed. I would assured by the company that all is well and they stand behind it.
I have the Get Out chair and have not enjoyed it. It felt really unstable to me and sat too low to the ground. I rarely carry trekking poles too, so it's less relevant to my personal hiking needs.
I have only tried the Helios Chair Zero and the Big Agnes Skyline UL. Because of the height and comfort, the BA is my favorite. I am wiling to carry the extra weight for the comfort.
I agree completely! Big Agness is so comfy. On shorter trips, I even backpack with my Big Agness Big 6 and it's totally worth the little bit of extra weight. I'm tired when I get to camp. I'm also 6'2" so the extra height is so beneficial.
I’m older and at 250 lbs, it took me awhile to find a chair for me that collapsed compact and could support me. After quite a bit of searching I found a little known company called Kilosgear. They specialize in lightweight gear for “larger” customers. I got their high back chair and liked it so much, I bought the ottoman.It’s extremely comfortable. I could fall asleep in it. It’s not ultralight, but it is lightweight in addition to being able to collapse down to a packable size on a backpack.
Thanks for this video. I have the flexlite and chair zero, but I've really turned to the Litesmith QuikBack UL at 2.65oz. I'll be the first to say that the QuikBack wont't be for everyone, but it works well for me with a decent sit-pad. For comfort trips I use the chair zero over the flexlite and generally agree with your comments on both of those. However, the flexlite usually goes on sale at 25% off twice a year, so for those who are more price sensitive who are really trying to go lighter weight, that may be the difference maker. Big Agnes looks great, but that weight is a deal-breaker. Both the flexlite and chair zero are overdue for a design update, so it'll be interesting to see what they do here.
Since you're adding in the Big Agnes Skylight UL at almost 2 lbs, I'd be interested in seeing you compare other chairs at that weight, like the Helinox Chair One.
I have three of the 5 chairs in this video and the analysis is spot on. The Nemo Moonlite Elite digs into my shoulder blades, the Helinox is short and wobbly, but the BA Skyline UL is so comfortable. I consistently choose the Skyline over the others even if it is half a pound heavier.
I had knee surgery and have to go as UL as possible. I bought the Chair Zero before the Nemo came to market, been very happy with it for what it is. Can't make a chair with much height and still have it weigh 17 oz. Its "comfortable enough", and much more comfortable than a rock or a bear canister. Buying the Big Agnes would mean removing something else from my pack, and I've already trimmed it to the bare necessities with the chair being my only real "luxury" item. Thanks for the reviews!
I love my Skyline UL! Well worth the little extra weight over the others for the added comfort. I have buddies that have both the helinox and the REI and they don't even come close to the comfort of the Skyline. Side note on the REI, my kids (11 and 13) have that chair and it's perfect for them.
Interesting takes. For my body, the rei is really comfortable. Not as comfortable as a high back from other companies, but I tried the Nemo and the helinox, and the rei fits me much better. I get that it’s not quite as sturdy, but I never had an issue. I’ll have to try the hack of picking up the yizi footprint.
I have a Helinox Chair One, Chair Zero, and the REI Flexlite Air. I use the Chair One frame with the Chair Zero seat. Sits a bit higher than the Zero frame. I find that and the Flexlite Air fairly equal in comfort.
When I bought my REI Flexlite chair in 2014, the cross bar went perpendicular and in 2015 or 2016 they changed it to parallel like it is now...and that change made it uncomfortable.
I like the base of the Flexlite Air and bought a Helinox replacement seat since the Flexlite seat design pinched my hips, and after Coyote Gulch this weekend, I plan to DIY a Tyvek groundsheet so it doesn’t sink in the sand
Great vid! Haven't used the UL. To me, getting close to 2lbs is a bit too much to include. I personally am sticking with the Flexlite, I find it super comfy and the price point and weight is hard to beat.
Great comparison video! I’m still okay with my Helinox but that Skyline has my interest. I’ll only carry a chair for shorter trips and would never consider packing out one for a thru-hike.
Would live to see you review or just talk about the high back versions of some of these chairs.....wanted the nemo so bad but the big agness is more comfortable
We have a pair of the Chair Zeros. They are comfortable for us, but. you're right, they do tend to sink in the soft dirt. Helinox does make a ground cover for the chair for 35.00, but now you're basically at the same price as the Nemo chair. We'll probably just buy the ground covers just to solve the problem. Nice review, thanks!
Great video, Devin. I have the Helinox Chair Zero and the Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. Both are comfortable, but I absolutely LOVE my BA Skyline chair! I tried the Nemo Moonlight Ultralight chair, but I ended up returning it.
Thanks! I had been using the Moonlight Elite much of this year to get time with it in the field and took my Skyline out this last weekend and it reaffirmed how much I love the skyline. It's so good!
It’s funny how we have many different preferences and comfort points. I have the REI Flexlite Air. I am 6 ft and 185lbs. I think the flexlite air is by far the most comfortable backpacking chair in the sub-2lb class. But really the 1lb class because I begin struggling to justify carrying a chair when they get over 1lb. For my body type and size, the Flexlite Air is as close to a 1lb lazy boy recliner I have found. I definitely prefer it over the Helinox Zero because to me it sits a few inches higher off the ground (I agree with you (too low is a pain to stand up out of) and I can lean back in a reclining position more. Plus I have bought three of them for $70 each on sale. Just my two cents…
We use the chair zeros and just machined lightweight feet to mimic the joey travel chair feet. The joey travel chairs are crazy comfortable but are 2lbs.
The REI Flexlite Air is my favorite 1lb chair. My Helinox Chair Zero sits in a bin in my basement. They are completely different chairs with different angles. We prefer different things.
Note: Trekology, on Amazon, makes a $15 chair footprint at 3 oz for soft ground that fits the REI chair. I use the Trekology chair for concerts in the park since it weighs so much.
Does the fact that I own 4 Helinox Chair Zeros mean anything? 3 of them are the normal chair zeros and 1 is with the higher back. I echo what you said about them sinking into the ground though. I have never experienced the Big Agnes chair. I may have to look into that. That small bend almost looks like it could fail.
This video to me just highlights that different chairs fit different people differently. I love the comfort of the REI flex light way more than all the other chairs, except for the Big Agnes skyline UL (the stool is also almost as comfortable as the chair). To you the opposite. I own both the Helinox and REI and REI is much much more comfortable on the back and less “hip squeeze”.
My favorite chair is the regular Nemo Moonlight. It’s around 2lbs though. If I need to go light I bring the Helinox. I need to try that BA chair. Have you tried the regular moonlight vs the BA? Another thing I like about the moonlight which isn’t obvious is that when you’re in a heavy condensation area it doesn’t get all wet like the others because it’s a mesh.
I recently picked up the blue version the the trekology chair. It's got a slightly larger pack size and roughly the same weight, but the chair sits wider allowing me to rest my arms in it and not on me or over the sides. My only gripe is when you move it certain ways it's not that stable. I also noticed the onetigris tent in the back. I personally use the Cosmitto 2.0 wolf grey for weekend trips. It's a little heavy for backpacking but love the performance(peak vents don't work that well though) and double for the way it looks.
Interesting, i really wanted to buy the REI chair when it went on sale, but it was indeed very uncomfortable. i kept thinking, but will it be more comfortable than sitting on the ground after a long haul???? nope did not buy it
After using a Chair Zero for several years I switched to the NEMO Moonlite Elite-I suffered from hip squeeze using the Chair Zero which always made trips uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced hip squeeze and hip pain from the Helinox? If so, the NEMO has resolved that issue for me.
I agree te the BA UL is the most comfortable but it’s so hard to put together. There is no stretch I struggle getting the fourth corner on. For that reason I bought a hellinox. So much easier to set up. Any tips for the Big Agnes? Mine is a couple years old so maybe they have gotten better?
I have an REI because the price, on sale, made it worth it. I’ll have to hate it and want another before I change. 1st chair I’ve had for backpacking. I’m more intrigued with the tent behind you. I have that tent, not that color. New color?
I did a video about the moonlight elite. I did mention the seat depth. It’s not a dealbreaker for me but it doesn’t offer much real estate for many I’m sure. Overall I love it. I hate the Helinox. It hurts my hips.
Just a comment: the total package of moonlite elite is actually heavier than the chair zero by 4oz cus of the pad, but if you opt for a pad on the helinox which is 35$ extra it is now 1oz heavier than the moonlite and is now 5$ more total (185 vs 180)
NEMO Elite chair dug into my shoulder blades, the strings hurt my hands trying to stand up. 1.2oz prior to the case/base which adds 3oz. Bummer I returned it and went back to Chair Zero. I wish it was taller for the weight.
At the end of the day, I just want something to sit in. I have the rei flex and it’s absolutely fine. I don’t need perfection, just functionality. Funny how backpacking chairs used to be taboo and now everybody’s a snob. CHEERS!
Fair comparison. I would take the Big Agnes chair in a heartbeat if it weighed less (closer to the helinox chair zero). The helinox chair zero has been my go to for years and has done very well for me. I love that it weighs just a hair over a pound which i can afford in backpacking. REI chai is t comfortable at all for me. I dont get it either.
Budget options for heavier folks like myself: Outdoor Vitals Solo Hammock $70 13.3oz 300lb capacity (If you hike in forests) Grand Trunk Compass 360 Stool $70 16oz 330lb capacity
dont like any but the Nemo. i AGREE about the digging into the pit's . i dont like that. so i found a fix by something i was alrready carring so it is a win win for me. however i didnt know about the Trekology !!! i would love to check it out... i like to b low !😊 thanks for the show n tell 😊
Just my opinion. The chairs with seat height a few inches off the ground remind me of chairs for kindergartners. Having to squat and roll into or out of a chair is dumb. 3-4 extra ounces for legs long enough for a chair-seat height is worth it. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
The Helinox is the most uncomfortable and feels the most unstable for me. I have an older REI Flexlite with a mesh body and I love it! 10 years going strong. I wish they didn't change it.
Looking at your video objectively, you just sold me on the REI chair. I’ve sat in several of these at outdoor stores and find that they are basically the same, so for a small comfort benefit, why would I spend almost double the price or carry almost double the weight? I wouldn’t.
I chose the REI flexlite because I wanted a budget priced chair that did not appear to infringe on Helinox's patent. I got it on sale 1 year ago for about $50. It works fine for me. I feel head-to-head comparisons between products and 'illegal' copycats are unfair to the companies that came up with the design, paid to do the design, then have to compete against companies that rip off their design and sell for a cheaper price
I just tried out the helinox zero vs the moonlite elite due to the influencer chair war. I found the helinox was unstable and a little wobbly. The Moonlite didnt sell me either, so maybe its time I find the Skyline. Maybe we can convince Durston to design a chair.
Weight penalty on big Agnes but definitely agree on pros. If I really care about 11 oz saving I take my helinox. After doing a tyvek mod for a groundsheet on my gossamer the one I’m thinking of doing a similar for my helinox making 4 pockets on the corners to create a lightweight groundsheet/stuff sack similar to Nemo’s.
@@BackcountryExposure will do. I’ll reply back here and we can figure out how to exchange pics. Heck I might make as many as I can from a 3x5 sheet of tyvek 😀. Capitalism….never know where it might go.
One chair that never seems to get included is the Helinox Chair Zero High Back. It's significantly more comfortable than any other chair I've used, to include all of the chairs in this video except the Trekology which I haven't tried. It comes in at a pound and a half and is awesome.
Nice! I couldn't do the high back zero. It was too upright for me. Granted I have really poor posture and so I naturally want to recline a little. Not enough recline on the high back.
I have a cheap chair "iclimb" it has pop on feet for soft mud/sand. I paid $36 an love it. Only a fool would not bring a chair. I remember wanting a chair in the 1990s and nothing existed. That was comfortable. A chair makes everything better. Especially when your old and have bad knees.
I have a no name $20.99, 1.3 pound chair from Amazon. It has no legs. It sits on a square frame. So no issue of sinking into the ground. The CON is, it sits VERY low to the ground. The PROS are, you can sit in your small one man tent and ride out a storm or read a book or watch a video in the evenings. Cook in comfort. It's basically a 2 pound camp chair with no legs so take the comfort rating from that. I also have a Crazy Creek 2.0. If I'm caring a heavier than usual load in my frameless pack 'll take this. I'll fold it [not roll] and slide it down the back of my pack. The struts on the back of the chair form a frame in my pack. The CONS, It sits VERY VERY low [lol] if you're sitting on the ground. The PROS, You have a chair anywhere. On a stump, a rock, a bench, a picnic table, and once again in your tent. It's insulated like a butt pad, 1.4 pounds. $50.
I feel like the REI is more comfortable than the helinox or Nemo elite. The Nemo non-elite is more comfortable. Wife feels the same way. We're tall though so maybe that's it. I'll stick with the REI though. Wanted to like the Nemo elite, it just digs into my upper back. Nemo seems by far the best built.
In My opinon, your missing a big contender in this market with the Grand Trunk backpacking chairs, they are the most comfortable iv ever sat in and weight a pound and a half
I Do not recommend the Trekology chair. On my second backpacking trip the material ripped where it connects to the frame. They also have the rudest customer service of any manufacturer. They are a joke. Avoid this chair and company.
If trichology and Big Agnes could only make a baby…. Chair that is combing the best of both. Height, mess back and pocket and maybe cut a few ounces would be awesome.
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Skyline is def the most comfy one! If comfort at camp is priority I always grab the Skyline. But if multiday trip is on the agenda, where grams count i tend to lean to the Helinox.
I agree with you about the REI Flexlite Air. I got it on sale and took it on a weekend outing and returned it to REI when I got back home. Same reason you gave the seat is way too deep due to the design. I ended up getting the Heliox Zero, I don’t love it, but it’s way better than them the Flexlite Air
Rocks, logs, and dirt have been my chairs while backpacking for the last 60 years. But dirt is dirty, logs are often wet (Oregon), and rocks are rarely comfortable. I picked up a Helinox Zero last week at a remainder price and will test it in a local wilderness area tonight. My suspicion is the Zero will come on short mileage hikes and be left alone at home on longer treks.
I'd hate to Hike for 60yrs and not improve my comfort on the trail especially into an older age. Always up for trying something new
I have the flexlite REI I got it on a sale for 60$. I feel like for that price, weight and performance that 60 bucks is a complete no brainer. I get your gripes with it but at the end of the day any chair under a pound and a half is going to be not very stout and it’s going to bend and move either way with a 200Lb rider. I also feel like chairs are really hard to review and rate because people’s body types are so different and one could style could fit one person so well and another so uncomfortable.
I could not do that chair even for 60! As I sat in it at the store and promptly fell over sideways…. And I figured if I can’t sit on it on a stable concrete floor then how successful would it be in the wild
Agree if you’re a UL backpacker and it’s between a rock or the 17oz Flexlite, the other heavier chairs aren’t an option.
@@lizzaangelis3308 I’m 215 close to the max on this and it supports me just fine. Great even for being the lightest of the group. And half the price…..
The REI chair fits the sand pad featured on the first chair too. Not the most comfortable chair but for less than half the price of a helinox I find it to be a no brainer
I'm 230 and the rei flexlite has never creeked or groaned under my weight, even when i am drunkenly stumbling around the campfire feeding it and plopping down into the chair, tipping over and plopping down again over and over 😂
I’ve sat in almost all of these chairs. Each chair I have tried has its plus and minuses. The Zero Chair is my favorite for cooking because it makes you sit up. The Nemo is the most adjustable. The Skyline is the most comfortable but heavy. I went with the REI Flexlite Air because weight is always a factor, and for my body type it allows me to sit how I want at camp. I would go sit in all of these before you make a final choice on a chair. The REI Flexlite is my favorite, but at 2 lbs I can justify carrying that for only an hour or two at camp a night. Good overview Devin!
I picked up two Chinese "chair zero" knockoffs for $50. Seating for both me and my hiking partner for less than your cheapest option, and they hold 250 pounds. As someone who deals with chronic pain from Connective Tissue Disorder, having the back support of a chair means I don't have to lay down immediately after a hike. Pain can make you useless, but I can cook from a seated position, and can rest enough sitting with back support to be able to tackle camp setup tasks. Disabling conditions don't care how old you are or how healthy you look, but those of us who have disabling conditions still benefit (I suspect even more than normal people) from nature exposure. It may not look the same as you active outdoorsy types, but even short strolls in the park have immense health benefits.
This! I have Rheumatoid but still get out there. I require more luxury items than some others and am limited to 8 miles or less for multiple day hikes- I need the chair, a pillow, extra comfy shoes etc! But it’s so beneficial to get out there!
The one problem I see, and so with most, is china. Our dependence on them has hurt our country economically and will continue to do so in the future. I don’t know where the chairs in this video were m. But… I’ll bet …China 😢
@@kmichaelp4508 helinox chairs are made in Korea and manufactured in Vietnam and don’t know if you know this or not but they are basically like china- slave labor and if you think they aren’t stealing the design and making their own cheap version think again. I challenge you to find All your gear from American made and manufactured gear- I’ll wait
@@sheilasunshine9173 , I think you subliminally got my message. Now I’ll wait 😊
@@kmichaelp4508I love how everyone points fingers at China when the US hasn't paid their working class livable wages for a decade or more.
Great comparison video! I’ll have to try the Big Agnes, thank you! So far I have been using the Helinox large version of the Zero which sits %50 higher than the helinox zero. I made a tyvek groundsheet with gorilla tape to reinforce the edges, weighing in at 30 grams (great RUclips video shows how to make it). Together, the chair and the groundsheet are 664 grams. Super comfy.
Great video. I have the Big Agnes Big 6 which I family camp and backpack with. It’s heavier but very comfortable. I’ve been trying to find a lighter chair that could replace the Big 6 on trips. I’ve tried all these in store multiple times. My next chair will be the Big Agnes Skyline UL. I’m 6ft and 200lbs and testing the other 1lb chairs made me feel like I was going backwards in overall quality of comfort vs weight.
I own both the rei flexlite and now the chair zero and have tried the nemo elite. The chair zero is the most stable due to the horizontal bar under the seat. Also the fabric doesn’t stretch like the silnylon in the flexlite. Both of these features contribute to a less "floaty" feeling. The nemo elite pinches into my rib cage, I suspect because they are using slightly smaller tubing diameter to save weight and bulk. I'm only 155lbs, so imagine it would be worse on larger people. The Big agnes chair is a deal breaker because 11 extra ounces is way too much extra weight to carry for a chair. It all boils down to this: choose your compromise
Great breakdown!
Helinix makes a lightweight mat to use with the chair Zero. Been using that for almost a year and a half now and no more digging into the ground.
Nice dude! Sinking into the sand is the worst!
Great comparison, Devin! As others have stated, my reason for going with the REI chair was price/weight. I’m generally fine without a chair, but when I’m going to spend more time in camp I like to have a little luxury. For $60, the REI chair is more comfortable than the ground and under a pound (without the bag). Reasonable trade off. And I just heard about a sink-reduction hack to cut a slit into plastic golf balls for the feet of the chair.
I was definitely eying the Nemo elite chair with pro deal pricing, but I still wonder if it’s worth the weight and complexity compromise.
Flexlite is great for me. I’m small 125 5’5” maybe that makes the difference
Absolutely agree about the REI chair. The moment I sat in it in the store I knew it wasn’t gonna do it for me.
Owned the Moonlight Elite for about a week. I didn’t feel it in my quick sit at the store, but after bringing it home and testing it in my house…the hard plastic in the seat part dug into my thighs. Returned.
You’re spot on with the Chair Zero. I ended up with it cos I hadn’t sat in one in years. I got mine online for 112 usd shipped. But not the most comfortable/stable. Kinda wishing I would’ve got the Skyline. The weight was the deterrent.
I've got the decathlon chair. Snagged it on sale for $25 a couple years ago and LOVE it! Even at its full price of $60 it is a fantastic chair. My only complaint is not a unique problem to the decathlon chair, rather it's a problem all of the chairs with skinny legs have. It sinks in soft ground. I actually just picked up a El cheapo backpacking chair at Aldi for $15 that includes a ground sheet. It just happens to fit the legs on my decathlon chair perfectly. Weight penalty of 3 oz is well worth it and now I've got a phenomenal chair that also doesn't sink.
I have two of these. Love them as well. But I needed one more for my bro in law and nephew. So our trip I’ll be trying the moonlite elite. If I don’t like it my nephews backpack I’ve been putting together will have an expensive chair. 😂
if you are talking bout the decathlon mh500 chair - they sell a ground sheet specially for this chair for only 8eur. I also have this chair, it is a bit heavy, about 1KG, but more comfy for my back and sitting position in general , better than a Big Agnes chair. The only good thing for Big Agnes chair is its hight, but not the sitting comfort (I tried both).
I just discovered the Skyline UL Stool and I love it! You get the same seat height as the UL Chair and the weight of the Chair Zero. It also packs down smaller and has a price of $99. I have the Nemo Moonlight Elite, too, and kept having problems with the corners popping off the frame.
I had the stool and I didn’t love it. I just want the back support to really kick back.
I love the skyline stool. Its not as comfy as the skyline or mica basin chairs but it's more comfortable than the helinox chairs and most other lightweight chairs Ive tried
I've been using the Get Out Gear Trekchair v2 and its amazing. Full head height, so I can lean my head back, at a weight of 22oz. Ive seen some reviews indicating that it can break, but those where pre-production v1 chairs, and all reviews I've seen of the v2 indicate no problems, and mine has worked without problems.
I'm a mid 70's hiker/camper on a semi fixed budget, so i don't have a lot of money to waste. I bought a Trekology Yizi Go a few years ago. 15-inch seat height, so easy on my bad knees to get out of after walking a few miles or more, holds 300 pounds, and is almost as comfortable as my Lazy Boy. It's a little heavier than yours, but i can handle that for the rest and comfort at night. I've actually dozed off in it it's so comfortable
If your home recliner is pretty close in comfort to your backpacking chair, you're in serious need of replacing the former.
@kenhiett5266 yeah, you're probably right. It's a lazy boy so I guess they are crap. That is why their warranty is so good. The point I was alluding to is my hiking chair Is very comfortable and allows me a very good degree of relaxation as does my recliner at home, a point which most readers seem to have understood without me pointing it out.
@@kokopelau6954 Have you tried an Ekornes Stressless recliner? If you buy one of those, you'll never go back to anything else, and you'll never compare it to your hiking chair.
Cheers
Ever tried an ekornes stressless recliner? You'll never go back to anything else, and you'll never compare it to your hiking chair.
Cheers
@kenhiett5266 again. I am not comparing it to my home recliner, just that it allows me a comfortable relaxation for my 77 year old joints and bones. Chairs are like opinions, everybody has their favorite. Doesn't make any one better or worse, just different except in the eye of the beholder; to smash a metaphor.
Oh and one more thing about the Chair Zero- you don’t experience all of what you said sitting on a stable flat surface (like in an REI). But in the real word…its flaws tend to expose themselves fairly quickly. I’m making a Tyvek groundsheet soon. But I might pick up a Skyline if I don’t get along with it after that.
I have the big agnes and have compared it to the chair zero and found it so much more comfortable. I am totally willing to have the small amount of extra weight for the comfort.
This video confirms that the comfort of many gears are subjective. I recently tried the Helinox, Nemo and REI chair in a REI store and found the REI chair to be the most stable and comfortable for me.
Appreciate you video; well done. Wondering your take on the Get Out Gear Trekking pole chair?
My take:
1) at 6'7" all my stuff is big, a high back chair is almost a must
2) adjustable posture by adjusting pole height (not as easy as moonlight elite but available unlike most chairs), so lounge more or sit up for eating/prep/etc
3) decent weight 1.5lbs (1.5 with bag)
4) price is good (currently on sale for $99 or $149 (from ~$129/$199) with the carbon fiber poles and additional discounts for multiple purchase).
5) innovative, appreciate a US garage company trying to think outside the box
cons
1) would appreciate additional saved weight (chair zero high back is 1.5 with the poles); understand that additional weight savings will add to cost
2) would appreciate integrated ground sheet/storage bag - I made my own using youtube recommendations
3) problematic to use with a trekking pole tent if desired, tent is obviously flat when chair is used.
4) Pole limitations: don't use cheap aluminum poles....they bend at the tip; trust me 🤣. Company recommends against using aluminum poles, z-poles, and angled grips.
Note: original issue with their hubs was limited and addressed. I would assured by the company that all is well and they stand behind it.
I have the Get Out chair and have not enjoyed it. It felt really unstable to me and sat too low to the ground. I rarely carry trekking poles too, so it's less relevant to my personal hiking needs.
I have only tried the Helios Chair Zero and the Big Agnes Skyline UL. Because of the height and comfort, the BA is my favorite. I am wiling to carry the extra weight for the comfort.
I agree completely! Big Agness is so comfy. On shorter trips, I even backpack with my Big Agness Big 6 and it's totally worth the little bit of extra weight. I'm tired when I get to camp. I'm also 6'2" so the extra height is so beneficial.
I’m older and at 250 lbs, it took me awhile to find a chair for me that collapsed compact and could support me. After quite a bit of searching I found a little known company called Kilosgear. They specialize in lightweight gear for “larger” customers. I got their high back chair and liked it so much, I bought the ottoman.It’s extremely comfortable. I could fall asleep in it. It’s not ultralight, but it is lightweight in addition to being able to collapse down to a packable size on a backpack.
Nice! I have a video on their grand peak chair coming out on Wednesday actually. 😊
Thanks for this video. I have the flexlite and chair zero, but I've really turned to the Litesmith QuikBack UL at 2.65oz. I'll be the first to say that the QuikBack wont't be for everyone, but it works well for me with a decent sit-pad. For comfort trips I use the chair zero over the flexlite and generally agree with your comments on both of those. However, the flexlite usually goes on sale at 25% off twice a year, so for those who are more price sensitive who are really trying to go lighter weight, that may be the difference maker. Big Agnes looks great, but that weight is a deal-breaker. Both the flexlite and chair zero are overdue for a design update, so it'll be interesting to see what they do here.
Since you're adding in the Big Agnes Skylight UL at almost 2 lbs, I'd be interested in seeing you compare other chairs at that weight, like the Helinox Chair One.
Yes, I have the Chair one too, it sits a lot more stable and higher than Chair Zero. Also much more comfortable.
I have three of the 5 chairs in this video and the analysis is spot on. The Nemo Moonlite Elite digs into my shoulder blades, the Helinox is short and wobbly, but the BA Skyline UL is so comfortable. I consistently choose the Skyline over the others even if it is half a pound heavier.
The Skyline for the win! Love it! After I made this video, I went to the sewing machine and added a side pocket to the chair. ha ha
I had knee surgery and have to go as UL as possible. I bought the Chair Zero before the Nemo came to market, been very happy with it for what it is. Can't make a chair with much height and still have it weigh 17 oz. Its "comfortable enough", and much more comfortable than a rock or a bear canister. Buying the Big Agnes would mean removing something else from my pack, and I've already trimmed it to the bare necessities with the chair being my only real "luxury" item. Thanks for the reviews!
I love my Skyline UL! Well worth the little extra weight over the others for the added comfort. I have buddies that have both the helinox and the REI and they don't even come close to the comfort of the Skyline. Side note on the REI, my kids (11 and 13) have that chair and it's perfect for them.
I agree, my kids do like the Helinox and Flexlite.
Interesting takes. For my body, the rei is really comfortable. Not as comfortable as a high back from other companies, but I tried the Nemo and the helinox, and the rei fits me much better. I get that it’s not quite as sturdy, but I never had an issue. I’ll have to try the hack of picking up the yizi footprint.
I have a Helinox Chair One, Chair Zero, and the REI Flexlite Air. I use the Chair One frame with the Chair Zero seat. Sits a bit higher than the Zero frame. I find that and the Flexlite Air fairly equal in comfort.
When I bought my REI Flexlite chair in 2014, the cross bar went perpendicular and in 2015 or 2016 they changed it to parallel like it is now...and that change made it uncomfortable.
I like the base of the Flexlite Air and bought a Helinox replacement seat since the Flexlite seat design pinched my hips, and after Coyote Gulch this weekend, I plan to DIY a Tyvek groundsheet so it doesn’t sink in the sand
Great vid! Haven't used the UL. To me, getting close to 2lbs is a bit too much to include. I personally am sticking with the Flexlite, I find it super comfy and the price point and weight is hard to beat.
Great comparison video! I’m still okay with my Helinox but that Skyline has my interest. I’ll only carry a chair for shorter trips and would never consider packing out one for a thru-hike.
Makes complete sense. :)
Would live to see you review or just talk about the high back versions of some of these chairs.....wanted the nemo so bad but the big agness is more comfortable
We have a pair of the Chair Zeros. They are comfortable for us, but. you're right, they do tend to sink in the soft dirt. Helinox does make a ground cover for the chair for 35.00, but now you're basically at the same price as the Nemo chair. We'll probably just buy the ground covers just to solve the problem. Nice review, thanks!
Use PVC t pieces to significantly help the chair zero, helped me a lot. I’ll find the vid that enlightened me …
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I love my Skyline UL. It would still be nice to have a sand mat footprint. I found an aftermarket option that works but it's very tight side to side.
Just a random third party option?
Yeah, I just measured and got the closest one I could find on Amazon, I think. It was pretty cheap, but good quality.
Great video, Devin. I have the Helinox Chair Zero and the Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. Both are comfortable, but I absolutely LOVE my BA Skyline chair! I tried the Nemo Moonlight Ultralight chair, but I ended up returning it.
* Nemo Moonlight *Elite*
Thanks! I had been using the Moonlight Elite much of this year to get time with it in the field and took my Skyline out this last weekend and it reaffirmed how much I love the skyline. It's so good!
It’s funny how we have many different preferences and comfort points. I have the REI Flexlite Air. I am 6 ft and 185lbs. I think the flexlite air is by far the most comfortable backpacking chair in the sub-2lb class. But really the 1lb class because I begin struggling to justify carrying a chair when they get over 1lb.
For my body type and size, the Flexlite Air is as close to a 1lb lazy boy recliner I have found. I definitely prefer it over the Helinox Zero because to me it sits a few inches higher off the ground (I agree with you (too low is a pain to stand up out of) and I can lean back in a reclining position more. Plus I have bought three of them for $70 each on sale. Just my two cents…
We use the chair zeros and just machined lightweight feet to mimic the joey travel chair feet. The joey travel chairs are crazy comfortable but are 2lbs.
The REI Flexlite Air is my favorite 1lb chair.
My Helinox Chair Zero sits in a bin in my basement.
They are completely different chairs with different angles.
We prefer different things.
Note: Trekology, on Amazon, makes a $15 chair footprint at 3 oz for soft ground that fits the REI chair.
I use the Trekology chair for concerts in the park since it weighs so much.
I have a Nemo moonlight (non elite) that i picked up on sale. It was worth it in my opinion. So far, it has worked well for me.
Good job with your comparison video Devin 👍 I still don't use a chair, but it's tempting.
Join the club!!!
I use the yizi lite seat panel and footprint with the rei frame. Fits perfectly, sits higher and love the yizi pocket.
@@Alex-and-Joker-Hikes oh I am totally trying this!
Does the fact that I own 4 Helinox Chair Zeros mean anything? 3 of them are the normal chair zeros and 1 is with the higher back. I echo what you said about them sinking into the ground though. I have never experienced the Big Agnes chair. I may have to look into that. That small bend almost looks like it could fail.
Rei flexlite is the best back for your buck, I love how it easily fits on my 12 liter day pack.
This video to me just highlights that different chairs fit different people differently. I love the comfort of the REI flex light way more than all the other chairs, except for the Big Agnes skyline UL (the stool is also almost as comfortable as the chair). To you the opposite. I own both the Helinox and REI and REI is much much more comfortable on the back and less “hip squeeze”.
Good review as always.
The skyline UL also has the highest weight capacity. I've seen a 300lbs person use one without an issue
A 300 pound backpacker??!!! As Crocodile Dundee would have said, “Naoww - THAT’S a backpacker!” 😏
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@@jackvoss5841 lol
Yes! Very sturdy.
My favorite chair is the regular Nemo Moonlight. It’s around 2lbs though. If I need to go light I bring the Helinox. I need to try that BA chair. Have you tried the regular moonlight vs the BA? Another thing I like about the moonlight which isn’t obvious is that when you’re in a heavy condensation area it doesn’t get all wet like the others because it’s a mesh.
Yeah the previous video I referenced compared the skyline and standard moonlite.
I recently picked up the blue version the the trekology chair. It's got a slightly larger pack size and roughly the same weight, but the chair sits wider allowing me to rest my arms in it and not on me or over the sides. My only gripe is when you move it certain ways it's not that stable. I also noticed the onetigris tent in the back. I personally use the Cosmitto 2.0 wolf grey for weekend trips. It's a little heavy for backpacking but love the performance(peak vents don't work that well though) and double for the way it looks.
Nice! Yeah I’m hoping the tent works out to be a good option.
Interesting, i really wanted to buy the REI chair when it went on sale, but it was indeed very uncomfortable. i kept thinking, but will it be more comfortable than sitting on the ground after a long haul???? nope did not buy it
Rei chair isn’t uncomfortable for me and the price pairs with quality is worth the small downsides when it’s found on sale often
After using a Chair Zero for several years I switched to the NEMO Moonlite Elite-I suffered from hip squeeze using the Chair Zero which always made trips uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced hip squeeze and hip pain from the Helinox? If so, the NEMO has resolved that issue for me.
Definitely think Big Agnes has the best comfort to weight ratio. I'm interested in trying the new Nemo at some point, but not at that price.
I agree te the BA UL is the most comfortable but it’s so hard to put together. There is no stretch I struggle getting the fourth corner on. For that reason I bought a hellinox. So much easier to set up. Any tips for the Big Agnes? Mine is a couple years old so maybe they have gotten better?
I have an REI because the price, on sale, made it worth it. I’ll have to hate it and want another before I change. 1st chair I’ve had for backpacking. I’m more intrigued with the tent behind you. I have that tent, not that color. New color?
I did a video about the moonlight elite. I did mention the seat depth. It’s not a dealbreaker for me but it doesn’t offer much real estate for many I’m sure. Overall I love it. I hate the Helinox. It hurts my hips.
Just a comment: the total package of moonlite elite is actually heavier than the chair zero by 4oz cus of the pad, but if you opt for a pad on the helinox which is 35$ extra it is now 1oz heavier than the moonlite and is now 5$ more total (185 vs 180)
The 1lb 2oz claim by moonlite is not technicaly true because they dont include case/pad
NEMO Elite chair dug into my shoulder blades, the strings hurt my hands trying to stand up. 1.2oz prior to the case/base which adds 3oz. Bummer I returned it and went back to Chair Zero. I wish it was taller for the weight.
At the end of the day, I just want something to sit in. I have the rei flex and it’s absolutely fine. I don’t need perfection, just functionality. Funny how backpacking chairs used to be taboo and now everybody’s a snob. CHEERS!
Fair comparison. I would take the Big Agnes chair in a heartbeat if it weighed less (closer to the helinox chair zero).
The helinox chair zero has been my go to for years and has done very well for me. I love that it weighs just a hair over a pound which i can afford in backpacking.
REI chai is t comfortable at all for me. I dont get it either.
How does the Helinox zero compare to the Kilos Grand Peak?
Budget options for heavier folks like myself:
Outdoor Vitals Solo Hammock $70 13.3oz 300lb capacity (If you hike in forests)
Grand Trunk Compass 360 Stool $70 16oz 330lb capacity
dont like any but the Nemo. i AGREE about the digging into the pit's . i dont like that. so i found a fix by something i was alrready carring so it is a win win for me. however i didnt know about the
Trekology !!! i would love to check it out... i like to b low !😊
thanks for the show n tell 😊
My favorite backpacking chair is my z rest sleeping pad on the ground.
Just my opinion. The chairs with seat height a few inches off the ground remind me of chairs for kindergartners. Having to squat and roll into or out of a chair is dumb. 3-4 extra ounces for legs long enough for a chair-seat height is worth it.
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The Helinox is the most uncomfortable and feels the most unstable for me. I have an older REI Flexlite with a mesh body and I love it! 10 years going strong. I wish they didn't change it.
In true REI form it will always get changed
Whatever happened to the chair sleeve that used your sleeping pad folded up to sit on the ground but have a backrest?
Looking at your video objectively, you just sold me on the REI chair. I’ve sat in several of these at outdoor stores and find that they are basically the same, so for a small comfort benefit, why would I spend almost double the price or carry almost double the weight? I wouldn’t.
I chose the REI flexlite because I wanted a budget priced chair that did not appear to infringe on Helinox's patent. I got it on sale 1 year ago for about $50. It works fine for me.
I feel head-to-head comparisons between products and 'illegal' copycats are unfair to the companies that came up with the design, paid to do the design, then have to compete against companies that rip off their design and sell for a cheaper price
I just tried out the helinox zero vs the moonlite elite due to the influencer chair war. I found the helinox was unstable and a little wobbly. The Moonlite didnt sell me either, so maybe its time I find the Skyline.
Maybe we can convince Durston to design a chair.
Influencer chair war, nice! ha ha ha
I went for weight capacity and therefore bought the Big Agnes Mica Basin. :-D
Weight penalty on big Agnes but definitely agree on pros. If I really care about 11 oz saving I take my helinox.
After doing a tyvek mod for a groundsheet on my gossamer the one I’m thinking of doing a similar for my helinox making 4 pockets on the corners to create a lightweight groundsheet/stuff sack similar to Nemo’s.
I’d be interested in seeing what that looks like and such. Super lightweight and probably strong enough if you can reinforce the corners well enough.
@@BackcountryExposure will do. I’ll reply back here and we can figure out how to exchange pics. Heck I might make as many as I can from a 3x5 sheet of tyvek 😀. Capitalism….never know where it might go.
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Ah the rabbit hole of youtube
One chair that never seems to get included is the Helinox Chair Zero High Back. It's significantly more comfortable than any other chair I've used, to include all of the chairs in this video except the Trekology which I haven't tried. It comes in at a pound and a half and is awesome.
Nice!
I couldn't do the high back zero. It was too upright for me. Granted I have really poor posture and so I naturally want to recline a little. Not enough recline on the high back.
I've heard the Nature Hike chair is nice.
I have a cheap chair "iclimb" it has pop on feet for soft mud/sand. I paid $36 an love it.
Only a fool would not bring a chair.
I remember wanting a chair in the 1990s and nothing existed. That was comfortable.
A chair makes everything better. Especially when your old and have bad knees.
I've been fine using my bear canister with it's multiple uses.
Honestly I think that’s a great option if that’s in your pack.
I have a no name $20.99, 1.3 pound chair from Amazon. It has no legs. It sits on a square frame. So no issue of sinking into the ground. The CON is, it sits VERY low to the ground. The PROS are, you can sit in your small one man tent and ride out a storm or read a book or watch a video in the evenings. Cook in comfort. It's basically a 2 pound camp chair with no legs so take the comfort rating from that. I also have a Crazy Creek 2.0. If I'm caring a heavier than usual load in my frameless pack 'll take this. I'll fold it [not roll] and slide it down the back of my pack. The struts on the back of the chair form a frame in my pack. The CONS, It sits VERY VERY low [lol] if you're sitting on the ground. The PROS, You have a chair anywhere. On a stump, a rock, a bench, a picnic table, and once again in your tent. It's insulated like a butt pad, 1.4 pounds. $50.
Is that the copper spur HV UL2 in a brown color!?
They don’t have the chair zero on their website anymore.
They also don’t have the Bay Agnes skyline UL on their website anymore. What’s going on?
I like the Chair Zero but usually don't use it much during trips. I guess I'm not a chair guy. Maybe I'll try a stool 😅
I want the skyline so much. No plastic, higher seat height, and a better construction of the poles.
Excellent share
REI chair with the sale, $50.
Listening to everyone cope and seethe, priceless.
Low slung Trekology chair - make a hole in it for a relaxing toilet chair?
Smart!
I feel like the REI is more comfortable than the helinox or Nemo elite. The Nemo non-elite is more comfortable. Wife feels the same way. We're tall though so maybe that's it. I'll stick with the REI though. Wanted to like the Nemo elite, it just digs into my upper back.
Nemo seems by far the best built.
Steven from My Life outdoors hates the Nemo chair because of the pressure point into the armpit 😂
In My opinon, your missing a big contender in this market with the Grand Trunk backpacking chairs, they are the most comfortable iv ever sat in and weight a pound and a half
For $13CAD I'll stick with my 1.5lb Canadian tire stool. No back rest but nice tall height.
Check out Ryan Jordan’s review for backpacking light
Have you tried the Lacal backpacking chair? It is the most comfortable and stable that I have ever tried--and amazingly, the least expensive.
They don’t have the chair zero on their website anymore
Chair Zero, sinks into the ground, wobbly.
Also less comfortable than REI Flexlite
I Do not recommend the Trekology chair. On my second backpacking trip the material ripped where it connects to the frame. They also have the rudest customer service of any manufacturer. They are a joke.
Avoid this chair and company.
If trichology and Big Agnes could only make a baby…. Chair that is combing the best of both. Height, mess back and pocket and maybe cut a few ounces would be awesome.
Lightest vs comfiest? What is the best balance
Lightest and comfiest for me would be moonlite elite.
The older Helinox Ground Chair is much better than all these because it is more stable, less complicated and low weight.
REI reduces the price of the Flexlite Air often. For $50, it is a winner. But yes, it sinks like a stone.