I rarely say this but I think it's fine to fold - big blind flat range from preflop is going to have a lot of 5x and the back-raise is so strong into such a strong range from both hero and big blind. Once big blind folds vs the backraise, big blind is weighted towards draws, which then weights button a bit more towards value. Maybe they were both getting out of line but vs population it's a good fold. Nice hand.
Not arguing your logic. This line from BTN looks super-strong, and against tight/nitty V's, I'm okay with folding facing this action. But hero's specific hand blocks a lot of V's value range. There are maybe 6 combos we lose to that make sense for V, and a lot of V's are going to slow-play a lot of those value hands. Hero invites this aggressive action from BTN when he flats the BB's x/r, allowing BTN to have some hands that are ahead of hero's range, but lose to hero's specific hand. It would be extremely hard for me to fold this specific hand after flatting the BB's x/r.
I think this fold is way too tight. It's hard for the hero to have a 5 here (even though he does), and his hand looks so more like an overpair than trips. There are so many flush draws and straight draws (including wheel draws). And you're only realistically behind A-5, 5-4, and 4-4. Since you're blocking A-5 and 5-4, and you're not blocking any of the flush draws (and only blocking the 8-6 and 7-6 of spades straight draws, assuming that 7-6 off and 6-3 suited type hands are folded preflop) I think this is a fantastic time to shove. Hero should have a lot of overpairs here that fold, so I think hero has to be calling with all of his trips.
I'd be shocked if this play was being made with 54 or 44. Why would villain want fold equity with those holdings? And the 67 that makes this play most is suited in clubs, which hero does not block [ hero also does not block 67dd]. If villain is Lag enuff to make this play with 67ss then hero absolutely must call. Now if my live read of the villain is that he's the kind of guy who is doing this with A5 almost exclusively, then I'm on board with folding. But in general this back-raise does not make sense to me.
@@EllieBanks333 Yeah, there's definitely a good chance that the villain 5-4 plays it the way you describe. 4-4 could play it this way occasionally hoping that one of the other two has a 5 and decides not to fold. But you're right that there's a good chance that a flopped full house wants to give a free card to the straight draws and flush draws. I think that A-2 and A-3 of clubs would definitely play the hand the way the villain actually played it, as well as 7-6 of clubs as you mentioned. I'm not sure how many other flush draws or hands like 7-6 would play it this way, but those hands certainly could show up, too. But most importantly, I gotta believe that a competent villain recognizes that the hero is heavily weighted towards overpairs here and doesn't have a 5 very often. A lot of players would fold 6-5 suited preflop in the hero's position. So I think that makes the villain more likely to semi-bluff with a draw.
@@gabrielrockman Yeah, it seems weird to me that villain would want the kind of fold equity that comes with this play. However, he could be thinking the BB has a big draw he might lose to. Which, again, means 54 & 44 do not fit.
@@EllieBanks333I agree that this seems an unlikely line with 54 and 44. So if we think villain only has A5hh for value I don’t see how we can ever fold. You’d have to be really sure that button is never doing this with a draw.
This line from BTN is so unusual. I'm not sure if I've ever been in a spot like this. But in general, if I flop top trips on a two-tone, low connected board, I don't think I could ever fold. Our hand blocks so much of BTN's value, and unblocks so many of the draws and over-pairs that might be over-played like this. I don't think 54/44 gets played this way (I wouldn't play a flopped boat with low cards this way), so we're really only worried about better 5x hands. This feels like BTN was slow-playing some pocket pair pre-flop, and is either convinced 88+ is the best hand, or maybe he's just tilt-shoving.
That was disappointing without the runout. I haven’t been this disappointed over a video since I watched a porno that was missing the “money shot” at the end of the clip!
There are villains I'd fold this against, but not unless I'm pretty sure of how they play. There's really only one combo I'm super worried about, A5hh. If they are in there with 54o or A5o, I'll be +EV against them for life in any case. If they can tell the difference between me having 65 and 54, maybe A5 will call and get my money. If they can't tell the difference, maybe a shove has some fold equity. Against a random 2-5 villain, I shove. If I win, I win and avoid a disastrous fold. If I lose, I get to choose how I'm going to use it to manipulate my table image with everyone present, for weeks or months to come.
When hero just flat-calls BB's x/r, I don't think BTN can put him on 65 or 54. From BTN"s perspective, it probably looks like hero has two overs, most likely with some flush draw. Hero's specific hand blocks so much of BB and BTN's value range, I'd be 3B'ing over the BB's x/r, hoping to get stacks in. As played, I don't think I can ever fold hero's hand, when his flat call of the x/r invites BTN to over-play a lot of weaker pairs and his own combo-draws. I think I'm just jamming over this raise from BTN.
So the back raiser is not good enough to be making the play as a bluff. However he's so good that he also wouldn't be over playing 99 or 1010 there. Of course there's zero mention that on a 554 board the one guy you are afraid of having a 5 there is the raising BB and we have no clue if he's good enough to be bluffing that spot or if the 375 raiser is good enough to either see a possible BB bluff there or even that a BB is most likely to have a 5. But at the end of the day what the hell is the big thumbnail money making play?
If I understand Bart correctly, the money-making play is c-betting low boards with big pairs at a higher frequency. I think the theory says our big pairs should be checking flops like this a lot, because these low connected flops are better for the field callers. But Bart is saying that weaker players at lower stakes are going to be calling (and never raising) with worse hands, and only raising with better, so we can value-bet a higher volume of hands. As for the actual hand here - it's one of those where the V's line is very unusual, and opinions are divided about what it means. V either had one of the half-dozen combos that beat hero's hand, or V was way out of line with whatever he had. The way this was played, neither would surprise me. Hero should have just 3B over BB's x/r. BTN probably would have folded anything other than 55/54.
I don't mind the fold if you think the villian is going to jam turn even on a brick, which would be dicey with a weak kicker. Could be loose pre-flop 32cc that wants to get stronger draws to fold and a tonne of equity against sets/overpairs
i dont like folding here because if i raise preflop with 4-5, i shouldnt have a 5 in my range. thats why he back raised, thinking he could push you off a over pair and rep the 5. this is your dreamflop, a hand you want to show down
I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Does this play make any sense for 54 or 44? It could be A5, that makes sense to some degree. But I can also find some over-values here, like 88. I can find mega draws too, like 67cc. I also might think about how button might view this hand as far as the flop raiser being the action/fun player in BB. If I thought BB was check-raising with draws pretty often & the hero/PFR might not have many 5's compared to over-pairs. I don't hate folding, but given the specifics here I miiiight just call and see a turn card.
I think you're right that 5-4 and 4-4 usually wouldn't play the hand the way the villain played it, and so it's really just A-5 where you'd be trailing. So why not shove instead of just calling? I can't see the villain calling all-in with a hand like 7-6 of clubs, A-3 of clubs, or A-2 of clubs, much less the drawing hands that have even worse equity than those. Not on a paired board where he could be drawing dead. It's a big enough pot that the hero should be happy to take it down without a showdown. Especially since he would get to hide the fact that he's opening 6-5 suited.
This hand reminds me a lot of one I recently played. I somehow ended up in a multi-way pot, with T4o in middle position, and looking at a flop of TT4. Obviously it's great to flop a boat, but when an early position player led out, and a player behind me over-called, it quickly became obvious that the guy behind me also had a T, and almost certainly had a higher kicker, making for a lot of potential scare cards to come. The K on turn and J on river made me wonder if I should have raised flop. But I doubt any opponent is going to lay down any Tx there, not that I'd want them to, and with no obvious draws on board, I thought it would be too obvious I had Tx. Here, I'm trying to put myself on BTN with 54/44. Hero could have a lot of over-pairs that could make a bigger boat on a later street, such that pretty much any card higher than a 5 could be a scare card, and force BTN into playing defensively, whereas playing the hand aggressively following the BB's x/r and hero's call might lead to getting all the money in right here, with hero's over-pairs drawing to 2 to 4 outs at best. Just following the flow of this hand from BTN's perspective - flat call pre with 54/44, fine, flop a boat, great, slow-play it by flatting the c-bet from the PFR, standard. But then BB x/r's - WTF - and the PFR flat calls...okay, now we need to think about what BB and the PFR have. BB's x/r freezes hero's over-pairs, because BB could have some 5x, but we know BB is probably on some sort of combo draw or total air that will fold to our 3B here, possibly leading hero to want to get stacks in with his over-pair. All that said, I don't think I could ever fold hero's hand here, because BTN could be over-valuing 77-JJ, or playing a big combo draw himself. Hero somewhat invited this action from the BTN when he just flat-called the BB's x/r.
Protesting the dealer showing a run out is insane lol. The only thing you pay $500 would be to see the other guys hand. He’s just asking to see a hypothetical series of cards that don’t even matter just for the heck of it. It doesn’t change anything so the guy being upset about it is absolutely ridiculous.
In “Super System” Doyle said don’t raise from upfront with AA or KK hoping someone else raise, people will call, and then you can put in a big raise preflop (the back raise). You don’t see that much these days, especially on Live at the Bike or Hustler casino because everyone brings it in so light and there are lots of raises. Hell, Jungleman brought it in with 9-4 offsuit the other day, and Pepe brought it in with 7-2 off and ran over a guy with AQ when the flop was A7*. And they weren’t even playing the 7 duece game. WTF?
You and Bart should be poker coaches and make huge money from fools. You could analyze hands and talk for days about pot sizes and whiffing, odds and kickers and wow make a play bro! Wow sick fold and make money from talking about nonsense and coaching hahahahahhaha fools
I don't know if I could fold. Honestly. Am I beat? Maybe. Maybe even probably. However straight and flush draws aren't doing this with the paired board, and I already have trips. I would hate calling, but I would.
Button has pocket 9s and was raising to protect his hand against draws. No way is he three betting the flop with a boat in position. Obviously he could have a bigger 5x but this fold is insane.
💯 any 3bet on the flop is always a bluff. The most revealing tell here is the button whining about seeing the run out, only fish do that, and only because they're glad you folded and they want you to keep folding so that you're not " encouraged" to chase draws against them. They're worried that if you saw you would have hit your flush you'll call them off next time, remember these players are here to win hands not money. To them the idea of winning is just making everybody fold all the time
I agree, this is almost never a boat. Why risk folding flush draws or overpairs? The only bigger 5 he should really is A5hh exactly so for me it has to be a call.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj If BTN just raised over hero's c-bet, I'd say that's never a boat. But BTN flat-called hero's c-bet (what we'd expect him to do with a boat), THEN the BB x/r's, AND hero just flats. It certainly looks like at least hero has a hand he's not folding to aggression, and it's possible BB isn't going to fold, since most opponents don't have an x/r-fold button. Reading all the comments here, almost no one thinks the BTN had a boat. Everyone seems to think he was over-playing some over-pair, or he was on some combo-draw. If that's what opponents are most likely to think, why not back-raise, facing that action? We can get value from all our opponent's over-pairs, trips, and higher flush draws. With a boat, BTN's line isn't necessarily trying to fold out anything. The way this was played, he wants to get stacks in with way the best of it, but he doesn't want to just flat call, when their ranges include a lot of over-pairs that can improve to better boats, but also high-equity draws that might brick out. Yes, over-pairs are drawing to just 3 or 4 outs, but any card 5 or higher is a scare card. If we (BTN) are never going to be able to fold our flopped boats, and our opponents aren't going to fold their combo-draws on the flop, but they also won't bet when those draws brick out, we may as well try to get stacks in on the flop, facing a c-bet, x/r, and call in front of us.
@@1vailchris I can see your logic for why button’s line would be a good play with a boat (although I can still see the arguments for flatting as well). I’m just not convinced many players actually do take this line. But you’re right it shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
@@1vailchris if you have a boat the last thing you're worried about is someone getting lucky with a bigger boat. Remember you're dealing with your perceived range, and since your range could include draws anyone with AA is going to continue betting on the turn to charge you for drawing. However if you jam you might actually get AA to fold because at minimum you could easily have trips trying to protect your hand from THEIR draw. This is why slowplaying a boat is the only play in this spot.
Idk i'd put the BB on a draw and folding maybe doesn't want to be chasing at that price. BTN i'd put on an over pair at best maybe with a blocker but at that point still a call with trips
I just don't like that fold. With you leading into that many people I don't think anybody's putting you on a five. I definitely think he had some sort of combo draw.
Ehh idk about this fold. BU probably won’t ever put hero on a 5, and could be trying to isolate the action player BB. Don’t think im ever folding in this spot.
Normally I see monsters under the bed and fold like Superman on laundry day but I would have called this all the way. If villain had 44 or 54 I don't see him betting big here. I would predict a club draw with Ax.
And even if he is behind, the caller still has reasonable equity (especially considering chops) against everything but 54 specifically. Getting almost 3-1 to call, I'd have to be *sure* that he's not on a draw or trying to clean up his equity with a weak overpair to fold.
Why wouldn't he? I think A5 and 44 are very likely types of hands here, he's just thinking "at least one of them has a 5 it's time to get money in before the 6c hits the turn and hurts my action"
@@Glitch47278 The PFR bet this flop into 2 villains. Next to act called & then V2 check-raised. Now hero calls the check-raise. It's Villain turn to act & he back-raises 54 or 44???? A5 makes some sense though.
@@Glitch47278if you have 44 there doesn’t seem to be much reason to back-raise the flop. It looks like hero has an overpair and BB either has a draw or 5x. If you get a clean runout you can potentially win a big pot off both players. And if the draw comes in and action player BB has it you’ll definitely stack him.
Damn, without a reveal this could have been any overpair or even a combo draw. If you get there with that hand, not sure that's a great fold. He's NOT putting you on a five. Next time if you're going to fold super concealed trips on the flop, at least pay the guy a few bucks to show you what he had. Disappointing!
In a 2/5 game you are not right enough times to make this fold profitable ..:A5 is the only hand you lose to(none of the other combos 44, 54 would be trying to fold out over pairs and flush draws) they would flat or min click back … if you are raising LJ with 5/6 and flop 554 and don’t get it in .. the game is to big for you ..
@Click_Profile._for_more_info What do I win Bart? I need all the help I can get lol! In my motel playing in a $15 Poker Stars tournament…. OMG life is so hard sometimes.
I think he has 44 or Ace 5. He’s on the Button, he could have seen the flop with K5 suited as well. If I continue here after being back raised please have Bart take me out back like Old Yeller and end my poker career
@@EllieBanks333 The flop action is very indicative of someone having a 5, putting 4s full at risk.. Let's try not come off like a total self entitled, socially awkward, dweeb, ok?
This theory that most small stakes players raise all their two pairs and sets is very wrong. I see tons of fish, and even agro nuts not raising these hands, even on draw heavy board. I see this all the time, and even total fish can figure out how to slow play. It is true that there are players who's bet sizing is a total tell, many players, but to assume these players will raise two pair or even sets in this position is not the case even 50 percent of the time, at least not in my particular cards rooms and experience with online cash games at small stakes. I do not care for this exploit, yes if you find the right players it makes total sense, but to assume all low stakes players are going to be so obvious and never slow play is a huge mistake IMOP.
What kind of insanely sad human throws a fit because someone wanted to rabbit? Anyway, I don't get the fold here. Anyone nitty enough to only ever do this with thick value has so few value hands to do it with and probably thinks things like KK are the nuts here. They're not playing like 75 suited, K5 suited and stuff - what do they really have? One 45 suited, one A5 suited, three 44?
Most players aren't dumb enough to think an overpair is the nuts here facing a bet/raise with 2 other players in the hand and I doubt this guy has KK in his range anyway. Caller's description of the villain is also likely unreliable, "he 3b me then check folded on a Jxx flop" means villain is at least willing to 3b some unpaired hands, true nits don't do shit like that.
I really don't understand why anyone would have a hissy because someone on a draw wanted to rabbit-hunt. I think I'd actually encourage it, so that guy will chase more of his draws in the future. While I don't think I could ever fold hero's hand here, the way this was played, it wouldn't shock me if BTN had 54 or 44. It seems insane to back-3B with a flopped boat, but BB and hero could both have over-pairs that could make a bigger boat on a later street. Any card higher than a 6 is a potential scare card. With the pot bloated on the flop, I can somewhat understand the BTN with 54/44 wanting to just get stacks in with all over-pairs drawing to 2 to 4 outs and all combo-draws drawing almost dead. It also wouldn't shock me if BTN had a combo draw, or some over-pair that was slow-played pre-flop, and is now scared BB or hero will suck out on the turn. It's that "the pot is big enough" thinking on display.
@@1vailchris I mean, sure, he could do that if he plays insanely scares. But then he should just raise to start with so he doesn't go 3 ways. It's a bad play whatever he's got going on, but that certainly doesn't mean he can't do it obviously.
@@Jermo484 The "he" here is BTN, not hero, right? I'm not arguing your logic about how BTN should play whatever he had. I agree with you. But I've seen players play this way, limp-flatting with hands good enough to open/3B, then playing those hands hyper-aggressively post-flop. I guess they think that's trapping. They seem to be content over-betting/over-playing and scooping small pots as a result. The more I think about this one, though, the more I put this on hero, for flatting the BB"s x/r. Hero's hand is very strong, but not invulnerable, and he's playing between two opponents. If hero 3B the flop, the BTN is going to fold a lot of his range, and probably only raise with 54/44, if he even raises at all. When hero just flats, he's inducing BTN to step up the aggression, both for value and with hands that are bluffs or over-values. Even if BTN just flats the x/r, hero's going to have a hard time knowing what to do on future streets with a lot of run-outs, and not having the betting lead. To defend this play with 54/44...if BTN just over-calls the BB's x/r, he's somewhat in no-man's land, against two opponents, both of whom could have over-pairs or 5x, hands that can improve to a bigger boat. Any card 5 or higher is a scare card. At the same time, BTN's over-call makes it look like he's on some sort of draw, inducing the BB or hero to bomb the pot on a "brick", not realizing that any "brick" 5 or higher isn't really a brick to the BTN. Meanwhile, BB and/or hero might be willing to get stacks in here on the flop with their over-pairs and combo-draws, when they're both drawing very slim against BTN. The BTN's back-raise is either going to get folds from ranges (not specific hands, but overall ranges) with equity to improve, or get stacks in with way the best of it. I was in a similar position last week - late in the session with my focus weakening, somehow I saw a flop of TT4 rainbow in middle position with T4o and 2-3 opponents. It was either a limped pot, or I might have gotten "priced in" to calling a single raise (I know it's terrible, but I was sun-running that night). So, yeah, I flopped a boat, but when an EP opponent led, I called, and one of my opponents over-called behind me, I knew he also had a T, and probably with a higher kicker. The K on turn and J on river were scary. Obviously I couldn't raise, and was forced to just check-call, even when he jammed the river (with QT). Had the LP opponent raised flop instead of over-calling, and the EP player who led out called, I probably would have raised. Facing this action, as BTN, with 54/44, I might shift gears to fast-play with a back-raise, hoping to get stacks in with way the best of it against my opponents' ranges, which look pretty strong, and less likely to fold. If BTN had some over-pair, I can also somewhat see taking this line when hero flats the BB's x/r. BTN probably thought BB was on a combo-draw or was just stabbing with air as a bluff, and hero just had two overs, so BTN decides to fast-play what he thinks is the best hand, to avoid difficult decisions on future streets. If BTN had a hand like 7c6c, he's got 15 outs, and can rep 55/54/5x more credibly than hero, since hero was the PFR. Hero really shouldn't have much 5x here, when he raises pre, c-bets this flop, and then just flats the BB's x/r. Reading the comments here, it seems like everyone thinks V had one of the above - the nuts, a combo-draw, or some over-pair he was protecting. All make sense, when hero flats the BB's x/r.
The way BTN played this almost looks like he flopped a boat with 54/44, and is worried about hero making a bigger boat on a later street, or just getting out-played on a scary run-out. It seems irrational, because hero would be drawing dead to 2 to 4 outs with a pocket pair, and just 3 or 4 outs with a bigger 5x, which hero really shouldn't have very much of in his range when he's the PFR. Even if hero has 5x, it would be hard to think a raise will get hero to fold top trips with a hand like A5 or 65. It would be different if the board was higher, like TT6, and BTN had T6 or 66, in a spot where hero could have a lot of Tx in his preflop raising range. With hero's specific hand and this board, I don't think I could fold here.
Actual poker players know what’s going on. Barts old lady put the pinch on him and so he does this BS and she allows him to occasionally do a livestream poker thing IF he’s being cool. Poor poker player has it all figured out huh? Lol
I’ve said it before folks, lol…To my fellow CLP Subscribers Who says the Poker Economy is in trouble? I can’t believe how many comments I see such as “I’m not sure about the fold” or “I don’t think I can fold here”. The button back raises a check raise on a 554 Board and the hero has a 5 with a 6 kicker, a 6 kicker, not a queen kicker, not a Jack kicker, a 6 kicker with no flush draw. I love poker!!
Terrible. Call that over pair. He has AA/KK. He would back raise on this hand. You got worked on that one. Bad title. He didnt win nothing. ZJust lost his money folding trips.
It’s actually insane to me that there can be this much talk about a hand. Over complicating live poker is foolish to me. Playing for 27 years. Nice job making money off of fools Bart!
Again, it's all guess work if we don't see the runout. Worthless, not interesting, and a waste of time. The dude didn't even ask what the runout was, why even call this in. Did the BTN have pocket 4's, an over pair, a straight draw, and A 4, an A 5, an unbelievable 5 4? We can speculate all we want, but without knowing the runout it's just not interesting to me. 😎✌🗽
@@EllieBanks333 Yes, but it's still hypothetical guess work with no conclusion. Anyone with a basic knowledge of poker knows what hands he could have, but what hand did he have? I would have called the flop bet not having anymore info, and in fact I would have snap called to make him aware I might have something. I also, as that particular player would have asked what the runout cards were from the guy who paid to see them, and am not sure why he didn't. I don't mind the fold, but I'm still in the dark guessing at hypothetical hands.
@@TOM-C. When playing poker, we never know what the villains cards are when we make decisions. The entire point of poker coaching/analysis/discussion is to determine the best course of action based on a reasonable range of hands.
@@EllieBanks333 I guess 40 odd years of playing have gotten me past that stage. I no longer care to hypothesize on a hand I'm not in. We all know what he could have had, and what the odds were he had each individual hand, but what did he have? That answer makes it interesting, guessing what he had is not, for me anyway. Just an opinion.👍😎🗽✌
@@TOM-C. but even if you got to see the other hand, it still means you’re guessing. If button had flipped over A5hh does that mean it was a good fold? Well you still don’t know because we don’t know what other hands button would play the same way.
Ya let’s try to tighten up everyone’s pre flop ranges and make games even nittier haha. Come on man, 65s is a marginal open from LJ, but certainly not bad. Let’s get people in the mix more and not telling people to tighten way up
@@lheftw1376 This is supposed to be a poker advice channel for people trying to win. Opening 65s in the LJ in a live low stakes game is a fucking PUNT.
@@FrasierFanMSU Absolutely horrible logic. First of all, live rake is killer. Secondly, what's the biggest mistake live players make? They call too much. Your 65s is dominated dogshit in a bloated pot out of position the vast majority of the time you do this. But do what you want. Keep losing money by making donkey plays like this.
Well played on the clickbait headline. Suckered me in for the full 13 minutes
Yup... every time.
Why wouldn’t you want to watch a full video of a CLP Call-in hand? You try to make it sound like it’s a chore.
@@supersmoo7377that’s not what was advertised. Doing something you didn’t sign up to do is going to feel like a chore
@@supersmoo7377yeah I just ignore the titles. I watch them all regardless.
Normally they're pretty good but this was a particularly egregious clickbait troll, especially without a reveal, I mean come on
I rarely say this but I think it's fine to fold - big blind flat range from preflop is going to have a lot of 5x and the back-raise is so strong into such a strong range from both hero and big blind. Once big blind folds vs the backraise, big blind is weighted towards draws, which then weights button a bit more towards value. Maybe they were both getting out of line but vs population it's a good fold. Nice hand.
Not arguing your logic. This line from BTN looks super-strong, and against tight/nitty V's, I'm okay with folding facing this action. But hero's specific hand blocks a lot of V's value range. There are maybe 6 combos we lose to that make sense for V, and a lot of V's are going to slow-play a lot of those value hands. Hero invites this aggressive action from BTN when he flats the BB's x/r, allowing BTN to have some hands that are ahead of hero's range, but lose to hero's specific hand. It would be extremely hard for me to fold this specific hand after flatting the BB's x/r.
well, if you rarely say this, then that must be correct. Please, keep saying it rarely.
I think this fold is way too tight. It's hard for the hero to have a 5 here (even though he does), and his hand looks so more like an overpair than trips. There are so many flush draws and straight draws (including wheel draws). And you're only realistically behind A-5, 5-4, and 4-4. Since you're blocking A-5 and 5-4, and you're not blocking any of the flush draws (and only blocking the 8-6 and 7-6 of spades straight draws, assuming that 7-6 off and 6-3 suited type hands are folded preflop) I think this is a fantastic time to shove. Hero should have a lot of overpairs here that fold, so I think hero has to be calling with all of his trips.
I'd be shocked if this play was being made with 54 or 44. Why would villain want fold equity with those holdings? And the 67 that makes this play most is suited in clubs, which hero does not block [ hero also does not block 67dd]. If villain is Lag enuff to make this play with 67ss then hero absolutely must call.
Now if my live read of the villain is that he's the kind of guy who is doing this with A5 almost exclusively, then I'm on board with folding. But in general this back-raise does not make sense to me.
@@EllieBanks333 Yeah, there's definitely a good chance that the villain 5-4 plays it the way you describe. 4-4 could play it this way occasionally hoping that one of the other two has a 5 and decides not to fold. But you're right that there's a good chance that a flopped full house wants to give a free card to the straight draws and flush draws.
I think that A-2 and A-3 of clubs would definitely play the hand the way the villain actually played it, as well as 7-6 of clubs as you mentioned. I'm not sure how many other flush draws or hands like 7-6 would play it this way, but those hands certainly could show up, too.
But most importantly, I gotta believe that a competent villain recognizes that the hero is heavily weighted towards overpairs here and doesn't have a 5 very often. A lot of players would fold 6-5 suited preflop in the hero's position. So I think that makes the villain more likely to semi-bluff with a draw.
@@gabrielrockman Yeah, it seems weird to me that villain would want the kind of fold equity that comes with this play. However, he could be thinking the BB has a big draw he might lose to. Which, again, means 54 & 44 do not fit.
@@EllieBanks333I agree that this seems an unlikely line with 54 and 44. So if we think villain only has A5hh for value I don’t see how we can ever fold. You’d have to be really sure that button is never doing this with a draw.
This line from BTN is so unusual. I'm not sure if I've ever been in a spot like this. But in general, if I flop top trips on a two-tone, low connected board, I don't think I could ever fold. Our hand blocks so much of BTN's value, and unblocks so many of the draws and over-pairs that might be over-played like this. I don't think 54/44 gets played this way (I wouldn't play a flopped boat with low cards this way), so we're really only worried about better 5x hands. This feels like BTN was slow-playing some pocket pair pre-flop, and is either convinced 88+ is the best hand, or maybe he's just tilt-shoving.
That was disappointing without the runout. I haven’t been this disappointed over a video since I watched a porno that was missing the “money shot” at the end of the clip!
In that situation you need to make your own money shot.
There are villains I'd fold this against, but not unless I'm pretty sure of how they play. There's really only one combo I'm super worried about, A5hh. If they are in there with 54o or A5o, I'll be +EV against them for life in any case. If they can tell the difference between me having 65 and 54, maybe A5 will call and get my money. If they can't tell the difference, maybe a shove has some fold equity. Against a random 2-5 villain, I shove. If I win, I win and avoid a disastrous fold. If I lose, I get to choose how I'm going to use it to manipulate my table image with everyone present, for weeks or months to come.
When hero just flat-calls BB's x/r, I don't think BTN can put him on 65 or 54. From BTN"s perspective, it probably looks like hero has two overs, most likely with some flush draw. Hero's specific hand blocks so much of BB and BTN's value range, I'd be 3B'ing over the BB's x/r, hoping to get stacks in. As played, I don't think I can ever fold hero's hand, when his flat call of the x/r invites BTN to over-play a lot of weaker pairs and his own combo-draws. I think I'm just jamming over this raise from BTN.
44, now there's 4 combos
So the back raiser is not good enough to be making the play as a bluff. However he's so good that he also wouldn't be over playing 99 or 1010 there. Of course there's zero mention that on a 554 board the one guy you are afraid of having a 5 there is the raising BB and we have no clue if he's good enough to be bluffing that spot or if the 375 raiser is good enough to either see a possible BB bluff there or even that a BB is most likely to have a 5. But at the end of the day what the hell is the big thumbnail money making play?
Folding trips
@@burkhartlaw1John Juanda approved.
It’s folding my friend, well instafolding this at 2/5.
If I understand Bart correctly, the money-making play is c-betting low boards with big pairs at a higher frequency. I think the theory says our big pairs should be checking flops like this a lot, because these low connected flops are better for the field callers. But Bart is saying that weaker players at lower stakes are going to be calling (and never raising) with worse hands, and only raising with better, so we can value-bet a higher volume of hands.
As for the actual hand here - it's one of those where the V's line is very unusual, and opinions are divided about what it means. V either had one of the half-dozen combos that beat hero's hand, or V was way out of line with whatever he had. The way this was played, neither would surprise me. Hero should have just 3B over BB's x/r. BTN probably would have folded anything other than 55/54.
i think this is the first hand on the channel ive seen that didnt go to a river
@Click_Profile._for_more_info he would never talk like that lmao
I don't mind the fold if you think the villian is going to jam turn even on a brick, which would be dicey with a weak kicker.
Could be loose pre-flop 32cc that wants to get stronger draws to fold and a tonne of equity against sets/overpairs
i dont like folding here because if i raise preflop with 4-5, i shouldnt have a 5 in my range. thats why he back raised, thinking he could push you off a over pair and rep the 5. this is your dreamflop, a hand you want to show down
I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Does this play make any sense for 54 or 44? It could be A5, that makes sense to some degree. But I can also find some over-values here, like 88. I can find mega draws too, like 67cc. I also might think about how button might view this hand as far as the flop raiser being the action/fun player in BB. If I thought BB was check-raising with draws pretty often & the hero/PFR might not have many 5's compared to over-pairs.
I don't hate folding, but given the specifics here I miiiight just call and see a turn card.
I think you're right that 5-4 and 4-4 usually wouldn't play the hand the way the villain played it, and so it's really just A-5 where you'd be trailing.
So why not shove instead of just calling? I can't see the villain calling all-in with a hand like 7-6 of clubs, A-3 of clubs, or A-2 of clubs, much less the drawing hands that have even worse equity than those. Not on a paired board where he could be drawing dead. It's a big enough pot that the hero should be happy to take it down without a showdown. Especially since he would get to hide the fact that he's opening 6-5 suited.
This hand reminds me a lot of one I recently played. I somehow ended up in a multi-way pot, with T4o in middle position, and looking at a flop of TT4. Obviously it's great to flop a boat, but when an early position player led out, and a player behind me over-called, it quickly became obvious that the guy behind me also had a T, and almost certainly had a higher kicker, making for a lot of potential scare cards to come. The K on turn and J on river made me wonder if I should have raised flop. But I doubt any opponent is going to lay down any Tx there, not that I'd want them to, and with no obvious draws on board, I thought it would be too obvious I had Tx.
Here, I'm trying to put myself on BTN with 54/44. Hero could have a lot of over-pairs that could make a bigger boat on a later street, such that pretty much any card higher than a 5 could be a scare card, and force BTN into playing defensively, whereas playing the hand aggressively following the BB's x/r and hero's call might lead to getting all the money in right here, with hero's over-pairs drawing to 2 to 4 outs at best.
Just following the flow of this hand from BTN's perspective - flat call pre with 54/44, fine, flop a boat, great, slow-play it by flatting the c-bet from the PFR, standard. But then BB x/r's - WTF - and the PFR flat calls...okay, now we need to think about what BB and the PFR have. BB's x/r freezes hero's over-pairs, because BB could have some 5x, but we know BB is probably on some sort of combo draw or total air that will fold to our 3B here, possibly leading hero to want to get stacks in with his over-pair.
All that said, I don't think I could ever fold hero's hand here, because BTN could be over-valuing 77-JJ, or playing a big combo draw himself. Hero somewhat invited this action from the BTN when he just flat-called the BB's x/r.
Protesting the dealer showing a run out is insane lol. The only thing you pay $500 would be to see the other guys hand. He’s just asking to see a hypothetical series of cards that don’t even matter just for the heck of it. It doesn’t change anything so the guy being upset about it is absolutely ridiculous.
Considering how mad this guy was that the BB didn’t call, I think it’s safe to say that hero was beat lol. Reeks of a full house
In “Super System” Doyle said don’t raise from upfront with AA or KK hoping someone else raise, people will call, and then you can put in a big raise preflop (the back raise). You don’t see that much these days, especially on Live at the Bike or Hustler casino because everyone brings it in so light and there are lots of raises. Hell, Jungleman brought it in with 9-4 offsuit the other day, and Pepe brought it in with 7-2 off and ran over a guy with AQ when the flop was A7*. And they weren’t even playing the 7 duece game. WTF?
You and Bart should be poker coaches and make huge money from fools. You could analyze hands and talk for days about pot sizes and whiffing, odds and kickers and wow make a play bro! Wow sick fold and make money from talking about nonsense and coaching hahahahahhaha fools
I don't know if I could fold. Honestly. Am I beat? Maybe. Maybe even probably. However straight and flush draws aren't doing this with the paired board, and I already have trips. I would hate calling, but I would.
When he says that’s a cute dog it was my dog 😂😂😂😂😂
Button has pocket 9s and was raising to protect his hand against draws. No way is he three betting the flop with a boat in position. Obviously he could have a bigger 5x but this fold is insane.
💯 any 3bet on the flop is always a bluff. The most revealing tell here is the button whining about seeing the run out, only fish do that, and only because they're glad you folded and they want you to keep folding so that you're not " encouraged" to chase draws against them. They're worried that if you saw you would have hit your flush you'll call them off next time, remember these players are here to win hands not money. To them the idea of winning is just making everybody fold all the time
I agree, this is almost never a boat. Why risk folding flush draws or overpairs?
The only bigger 5 he should really is A5hh exactly so for me it has to be a call.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj If BTN just raised over hero's c-bet, I'd say that's never a boat. But BTN flat-called hero's c-bet (what we'd expect him to do with a boat), THEN the BB x/r's, AND hero just flats. It certainly looks like at least hero has a hand he's not folding to aggression, and it's possible BB isn't going to fold, since most opponents don't have an x/r-fold button. Reading all the comments here, almost no one thinks the BTN had a boat. Everyone seems to think he was over-playing some over-pair, or he was on some combo-draw. If that's what opponents are most likely to think, why not back-raise, facing that action? We can get value from all our opponent's over-pairs, trips, and higher flush draws.
With a boat, BTN's line isn't necessarily trying to fold out anything. The way this was played, he wants to get stacks in with way the best of it, but he doesn't want to just flat call, when their ranges include a lot of over-pairs that can improve to better boats, but also high-equity draws that might brick out. Yes, over-pairs are drawing to just 3 or 4 outs, but any card 5 or higher is a scare card. If we (BTN) are never going to be able to fold our flopped boats, and our opponents aren't going to fold their combo-draws on the flop, but they also won't bet when those draws brick out, we may as well try to get stacks in on the flop, facing a c-bet, x/r, and call in front of us.
@@1vailchris I can see your logic for why button’s line would be a good play with a boat (although I can still see the arguments for flatting as well).
I’m just not convinced many players actually do take this line. But you’re right it shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
@@1vailchris if you have a boat the last thing you're worried about is someone getting lucky with a bigger boat. Remember you're dealing with your perceived range, and since your range could include draws anyone with AA is going to continue betting on the turn to charge you for drawing. However if you jam you might actually get AA to fold because at minimum you could easily have trips trying to protect your hand from THEIR draw. This is why slowplaying a boat is the only play in this spot.
Idk i'd put the BB on a draw and folding maybe doesn't want to be chasing at that price. BTN i'd put on an over pair at best maybe with a blocker but at that point still a call with trips
An overpair that button decides to turn into a bluff? Seems pretty maniacal if that’s the case.
If this player is decent BTN should have 54 suited (hearts), 44, and then hands like A3 of clubs, A2 of clubs, 76 of clubs.
Good fold…put hands with reveal Burt
I just don't like that fold. With you leading into that many people I don't think anybody's putting you on a five.
I definitely think he had some sort of combo draw.
I don't agree with this fold, there are so few combos you are behind and you have one of the best hands you will show up here with, it's not balanced.
Ehh idk about this fold. BU probably won’t ever put hero on a 5, and could be trying to isolate the action player BB. Don’t think im ever folding in this spot.
Normally I see monsters under the bed and fold like Superman on laundry day but I would have called this all the way. If villain had 44 or 54 I don't see him betting big here. I would predict a club draw with Ax.
And even if he is behind, the caller still has reasonable equity (especially considering chops) against everything but 54 specifically. Getting almost 3-1 to call, I'd have to be *sure* that he's not on a draw or trying to clean up his equity with a weak overpair to fold.
Why wouldn't he? I think A5 and 44 are very likely types of hands here, he's just thinking "at least one of them has a 5 it's time to get money in before the 6c hits the turn and hurts my action"
@Glitch47278 BB could have either of those 2 hands but why bet big on the flop? I would set a trap. Of course I am not really a good player. Idk.
@@Glitch47278 The PFR bet this flop into 2 villains. Next to act called & then V2 check-raised. Now hero calls the check-raise. It's Villain turn to act & he back-raises 54 or 44???? A5 makes some sense though.
@@Glitch47278if you have 44 there doesn’t seem to be much reason to back-raise the flop. It looks like hero has an overpair and BB either has a draw or 5x. If you get a clean runout you can potentially win a big pot off both players. And if the draw comes in and action player BB has it you’ll definitely stack him.
The title bluffed me out of 13 minutes of my life
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Damn, without a reveal this could have been any overpair or even a combo draw. If you get there with that hand, not sure that's a great fold. He's NOT putting you on a five.
Next time if you're going to fold super concealed trips on the flop, at least pay the guy a few bucks to show you what he had.
Disappointing!
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Why would anyone object to seeing the runout? Why would somebody object to somebody else seeing the runout?
Love the new calls!
65 is a good here, I agree
5:55 I would 3-bet here.
3 blind games are so much better
utg straddle not button obviously
Isn't asking to see a runout just such a fishy move? I don't get stressed or object if people want to but I will think less of them.
Yeah, this looks real 🤣🤣🤣@Click_Profile._for_more_info
I rag on some folds a lot but this is a good one. 3 bet flop raise on a board like that is almost certainly a better hand.
Lol this is like early economists wondering where Adam Smith went wrong and realizing that the rational individual doesn't exist
Why didnt bart comment on the weirdo being mad about seeing a run out.
In a 2/5 game you are not right enough times to make this fold profitable ..:A5 is the only hand you lose to(none of the other combos 44, 54 would be trying to fold out over pairs and flush draws) they would flat or min click back … if you are raising LJ with 5/6 and flop 554 and don’t get it in .. the game is to big for you ..
Just gonna say it. Bart’s thumbnail game lately is FIRE
You folded the dream flop after raising preflop on a draw heavy board?!.,.,
@Click_Profile._for_more_info What do I win Bart? I need all the help I can get lol! In my motel playing in a $15 Poker Stars tournament…. OMG life is so hard sometimes.
I’m not good enough to fold that hand, if the back raiser had it he’s getting all my chips😅😅
Button has 44
I think he has 44 or Ace 5. He’s on the Button, he could have seen the flop with K5 suited as well. If I continue here after being back raised please have Bart take me out back like Old Yeller and end my poker career
@@chungusgaming5914agreed. 44, A5 or K5
Because a full house wants to make sure no straights or flushes come in?? Let's assume that villain is not an idiot for hand analysis ok?
@@EllieBanks333 The flop action is very indicative of someone having a 5, putting 4s full at risk..
Let's try not come off like a total self entitled, socially awkward, dweeb, ok?
Lots of nits never have a bluff here. Then the next fish has pocket 88s lol
This theory that most small stakes players raise all their two pairs and sets is very wrong. I see tons of fish, and even agro nuts not raising these hands, even on draw heavy board. I see this all the time, and even total fish can figure out how to slow play. It is true that there are players who's bet sizing is a total tell, many players, but to assume these players will raise two pair or even sets in this position is not the case even 50 percent of the time, at least not in my particular cards rooms and experience with online cash games at small stakes.
I do not care for this exploit, yes if you find the right players it makes total sense, but to assume all low stakes players are going to be so obvious and never slow play is a huge mistake IMOP.
I thought the best play was Ace Queen, out of position. Call every street, and ship it to a better hand...
What kind of insanely sad human throws a fit because someone wanted to rabbit? Anyway, I don't get the fold here. Anyone nitty enough to only ever do this with thick value has so few value hands to do it with and probably thinks things like KK are the nuts here. They're not playing like 75 suited, K5 suited and stuff - what do they really have? One 45 suited, one A5 suited, three 44?
Most players aren't dumb enough to think an overpair is the nuts here facing a bet/raise with 2 other players in the hand and I doubt this guy has KK in his range anyway. Caller's description of the villain is also likely unreliable, "he 3b me then check folded on a Jxx flop" means villain is at least willing to 3b some unpaired hands, true nits don't do shit like that.
Why would 45 or 44 make this play? It has sO much fold equity. It should be A5 or a bluff.
I really don't understand why anyone would have a hissy because someone on a draw wanted to rabbit-hunt. I think I'd actually encourage it, so that guy will chase more of his draws in the future.
While I don't think I could ever fold hero's hand here, the way this was played, it wouldn't shock me if BTN had 54 or 44. It seems insane to back-3B with a flopped boat, but BB and hero could both have over-pairs that could make a bigger boat on a later street. Any card higher than a 6 is a potential scare card. With the pot bloated on the flop, I can somewhat understand the BTN with 54/44 wanting to just get stacks in with all over-pairs drawing to 2 to 4 outs and all combo-draws drawing almost dead.
It also wouldn't shock me if BTN had a combo draw, or some over-pair that was slow-played pre-flop, and is now scared BB or hero will suck out on the turn. It's that "the pot is big enough" thinking on display.
@@1vailchris I mean, sure, he could do that if he plays insanely scares. But then he should just raise to start with so he doesn't go 3 ways. It's a bad play whatever he's got going on, but that certainly doesn't mean he can't do it obviously.
@@Jermo484 The "he" here is BTN, not hero, right? I'm not arguing your logic about how BTN should play whatever he had. I agree with you. But I've seen players play this way, limp-flatting with hands good enough to open/3B, then playing those hands hyper-aggressively post-flop. I guess they think that's trapping. They seem to be content over-betting/over-playing and scooping small pots as a result.
The more I think about this one, though, the more I put this on hero, for flatting the BB"s x/r. Hero's hand is very strong, but not invulnerable, and he's playing between two opponents. If hero 3B the flop, the BTN is going to fold a lot of his range, and probably only raise with 54/44, if he even raises at all. When hero just flats, he's inducing BTN to step up the aggression, both for value and with hands that are bluffs or over-values. Even if BTN just flats the x/r, hero's going to have a hard time knowing what to do on future streets with a lot of run-outs, and not having the betting lead.
To defend this play with 54/44...if BTN just over-calls the BB's x/r, he's somewhat in no-man's land, against two opponents, both of whom could have over-pairs or 5x, hands that can improve to a bigger boat. Any card 5 or higher is a scare card. At the same time, BTN's over-call makes it look like he's on some sort of draw, inducing the BB or hero to bomb the pot on a "brick", not realizing that any "brick" 5 or higher isn't really a brick to the BTN. Meanwhile, BB and/or hero might be willing to get stacks in here on the flop with their over-pairs and combo-draws, when they're both drawing very slim against BTN. The BTN's back-raise is either going to get folds from ranges (not specific hands, but overall ranges) with equity to improve, or get stacks in with way the best of it.
I was in a similar position last week - late in the session with my focus weakening, somehow I saw a flop of TT4 rainbow in middle position with T4o and 2-3 opponents. It was either a limped pot, or I might have gotten "priced in" to calling a single raise (I know it's terrible, but I was sun-running that night). So, yeah, I flopped a boat, but when an EP opponent led, I called, and one of my opponents over-called behind me, I knew he also had a T, and probably with a higher kicker. The K on turn and J on river were scary. Obviously I couldn't raise, and was forced to just check-call, even when he jammed the river (with QT). Had the LP opponent raised flop instead of over-calling, and the EP player who led out called, I probably would have raised.
Facing this action, as BTN, with 54/44, I might shift gears to fast-play with a back-raise, hoping to get stacks in with way the best of it against my opponents' ranges, which look pretty strong, and less likely to fold.
If BTN had some over-pair, I can also somewhat see taking this line when hero flats the BB's x/r. BTN probably thought BB was on a combo-draw or was just stabbing with air as a bluff, and hero just had two overs, so BTN decides to fast-play what he thinks is the best hand, to avoid difficult decisions on future streets.
If BTN had a hand like 7c6c, he's got 15 outs, and can rep 55/54/5x more credibly than hero, since hero was the PFR. Hero really shouldn't have much 5x here, when he raises pre, c-bets this flop, and then just flats the BB's x/r.
Reading the comments here, it seems like everyone thinks V had one of the above - the nuts, a combo-draw, or some over-pair he was protecting. All make sense, when hero flats the BB's x/r.
The way BTN played this almost looks like he flopped a boat with 54/44, and is worried about hero making a bigger boat on a later street, or just getting out-played on a scary run-out. It seems irrational, because hero would be drawing dead to 2 to 4 outs with a pocket pair, and just 3 or 4 outs with a bigger 5x, which hero really shouldn't have very much of in his range when he's the PFR. Even if hero has 5x, it would be hard to think a raise will get hero to fold top trips with a hand like A5 or 65. It would be different if the board was higher, like TT6, and BTN had T6 or 66, in a spot where hero could have a lot of Tx in his preflop raising range. With hero's specific hand and this board, I don't think I could fold here.
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Actual poker players know what’s going on. Barts old lady put the pinch on him and so he does this BS and she allows him to occasionally do a livestream poker thing IF he’s being cool. Poor poker player has it all figured out huh? Lol
Solid fold I like it
I’ve said it before folks, lol…To my fellow CLP Subscribers Who says the Poker Economy is in trouble? I can’t believe how many comments I see such as “I’m not sure about the fold” or “I don’t think I can fold here”. The button back raises a check raise on a 554 Board and the hero has a 5 with a 6 kicker, a 6 kicker, not a queen kicker, not a Jack kicker, a 6 kicker with no flush draw. I love poker!!
But realistically does BTN really have many other kickers apart from A5? K5 occasionally...
Terrible. Call that over pair. He has AA/KK. He would back raise on this hand. You got worked on that one. Bad title. He didnt win nothing. ZJust lost his money folding trips.
It’s actually insane to me that there can be this much talk about a hand. Over complicating live poker is foolish to me. Playing for 27 years. Nice job making money off of fools Bart!
Again, it's all guess work if we don't see the runout. Worthless, not interesting, and a waste of time. The dude didn't even ask what the runout was, why even call this in. Did the BTN have pocket 4's, an over pair, a straight draw, and A 4, an A 5, an unbelievable 5 4? We can speculate all we want, but without knowing the runout it's just not interesting to me. 😎✌🗽
Have you ever heard the term "results oriented"?
@@EllieBanks333 Yes, but it's still hypothetical guess work with no conclusion. Anyone with a basic knowledge of poker knows what hands he could have, but what hand did he have? I would have called the flop bet not having anymore info, and in fact I would have snap called to make him aware I might have something. I also, as that particular player would have asked what the runout cards were from the guy who paid to see them, and am not sure why he didn't. I don't mind the fold, but I'm still in the dark guessing at hypothetical hands.
@@TOM-C. When playing poker, we never know what the villains cards are when we make decisions. The entire point of poker coaching/analysis/discussion is to determine the best course of action based on a reasonable range of hands.
@@EllieBanks333 I guess 40 odd years of playing have gotten me past that stage. I no longer care to hypothesize on a hand I'm not in. We all know what he could have had, and what the odds were he had each individual hand, but what did he have? That answer makes it interesting, guessing what he had is not, for me anyway. Just an opinion.👍😎🗽✌
@@TOM-C. but even if you got to see the other hand, it still means you’re guessing.
If button had flipped over A5hh does that mean it was a good fold? Well you still don’t know because we don’t know what other hands button would play the same way.
Opening 65s in the LJ at live low stakes but thinks where he needs help is postflop play. This isn't even an open in low rake online games.
Ya let’s try to tighten up everyone’s pre flop ranges and make games even nittier haha. Come on man, 65s is a marginal open from LJ, but certainly not bad. Let’s get people in the mix more and not telling people to tighten way up
@@lheftw1376 This is supposed to be a poker advice channel for people trying to win. Opening 65s in the LJ in a live low stakes game is a fucking PUNT.
If you're pretty confident the players behind you are 3-betting tight, linear ranges, you can absolutely open 65s.
@@FrasierFanMSU Absolutely horrible logic. First of all, live rake is killer. Secondly, what's the biggest mistake live players make? They call too much. Your 65s is dominated dogshit in a bloated pot out of position the vast majority of the time you do this.
But do what you want. Keep losing money by making donkey plays like this.
200bb+ deep and a zero-rake environment. It's fine.