Science VS Creationism | Kenny-CA | The Atheist Experience 797
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- The Atheist Experience 797 for January 20, 2013 with Matt Dillahunty and Martin Wagner.
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So, a scientist once made a mistake. Therefore God.
If you disagree, you've hardened your heart to god.
Basically. People who follow a dogmatic religion from childhood to adulthood, will assume that’s what everyone else is doing too. He doesn’t
Kenny is the type of person who will paint a bad picture, and when the museum denies to put it on display because it's not very good, he's convinced there is a conspiracy out to prevent him from showing off his masterpieces.
Probably not a good analogy, since the art world entertains no pretensions of objectivity, and the process of promoting works in a major gallery is exactly the kind of rigged game that Kenny accuses academic peer review of employing.
I hope this is a better one: "I bet on the same horse three times, and it didn't even Show. I want my money back!"
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT Yea that’s more accurate. Or when someone who thinks the Earth is flat says there’s a conspiracy to keep his personal opinion from being fact. Reminds me of that guy who said:
“When I go on RUclips people always agree with me that the Earth is flat! It’s only when I talk to the so called “scientists” that people tell me I’m wrong and ask for evidence. You can’t tell me that’s not trying to silence my free speech!”
Isn't that an accurate, historical summary of Adolf Hitler's art career?
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT Well, I liked it, thought it made perfect sense.
This is a good example to show how dumb his argument is.
These creationists come always up with papers that have been half a century out of date. But it does not matter because they do not understand any of it anyway.
A caller who is proud of having spammed a site to the extent that it had to be shut down, according to the caller.
When you don't have a coherent argument for your claim, I guess this is the next best thing? You still lose, but at least nobody else gets to play?
Bravo. Your own words tell me everything I need to know about your character.
Yeah, it's pretty weird for him to express great pride in basically flipping the game board over because he's losing. I hope he's done some growing up since this episode.
I should really call in some time and tell Matt all about this killer argument I posted on Compuserve back in 1986...
Young earth creationists LOVE to dismiss 99% of scientific research and instead embrace the lone outlier that maybe isn't at odds with their stupid myth - "Science proves it!".
And they do so unironically, without realizing that their holy book disapproves of "evidence" and flies in its face while stating that "blessed are those who believe without evidence". Without realizing that the word "faith" is literally definied as "considering a position to be true without evidence". Without realizing that their search for evidence is testament to their lack of faith. Without realizing that the statement "science proves it!" is the antithesis of their entire dogma. Its quite sad if you think about it. Its evidence of a mind unable to reconcile thier belief system with reality.
OMG they killed Kenny!
I miss this Matt.
We have trees and other woody plants that are over 10,000 years old.
the paper that kenny was talking about was snuck into a small journal in washigton by two creationists, ansd when discovered it was trash science it was rejected.
What religious people really don't seem to get about scientists (because they are the opposite) is that we love to be shown to be wrong - that's what generates completely new thinking. Young earth though? That is demonstrably false. The only positive thing about young earth is that it is funny - we all need a laugh.
I'll put my trust in the accumulative studies of scientific research from the current time line, rather than trust the ancient writings of bronze age scribes.
The holy grail for a scientist is to disprove an established theory. Creationists can't seem to get that.
They are not necessarily exclusive though. The vast majority of Christians are not young earth. Most have no issue w scientific fact at all.
@@ianalan4367 Until scientific facts disagree with their chosen version of theology of course.
Then there's contention.
@@UNFORGIVABLExGAMING You make a good point! Anyone that has deviated from official doctrine of the religion of Jesus Christ very well may find themselves in a quandary when it comes to science and their belief. Peace!
The universe is 6 thousand years old? I have a pair of trousers older than that 🤷🏽♂️
Robert Gentry's other claim to fame was the discovery of the 'White Throne of God at the centre of the Universe'.
I kid you not.
Oh my god, they brainwashed Kenny! You bastards!
To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administrating medicine to the dead.
Thomas Paine.
Love Matt or hate em, he's speaking facts 🗣️
I love him. But over the years he’s definitely gotten much more hostile, intolerant, interruptive, and prone to just cussing at someone and hanging up. Sometimes it’s hard to watch.
@@mikess314 thanks, me too. And I agree. Yet it's funny to me. Religious people are annoying to me. (Basically if your atheist you should at least like him it's mandatory 😂)
I wonder why these creationists never have any issue with different areas of science that use radiometric dating, like stellar nuclear synthesis?
or light bulbs.
It’s simple, if it fits with their beliefs then it’s fine. Any dating method or result that doesn’t go back more than 6,000 years is fine, anything else has to be flawed.
But gawd made da stars and all da elements. He used his magic. Checkmate, evolutionists.
Fun fact: There's probably a cult that worships a bag of popcorn
And it would make far more sense
Waffling and grasping at straws. "Theological paleontological evidence." That's a new joke.
Kenny; find a better school
It strikes me as utterly bizarre, and inappropriate, that someone would call into an ATHEIST show to talk about some small point of mineralogy or radioactive dating or whatever the fuck that was that may or not have had some bearing on some other point that may or not call some finding into question.
If this is your field of expertise - and I fully accept that it may be, and that you know what you're talking about - then TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES. After all, that's why these disciplines exist. Isn't it?
Standing on a soapbox in the public square to develop your HIGHLY SPECIALIZED ARGUMENT makes you look clueless. Do you not understand this?
Minerals can undergo massive pressures and temperatures via metamorphic processes. Best for me to leave radioactive decay for those experts in the field.
When you want to know more about it, get a book more recent than Ramsdohr's ...which was published in 1969.
God Martin looks so young and dapper here 😂
I swear every time I see this clip, I forget that's Martin Wagner on the left. He looks so different with facial hair and glasses!
Even if science is wrong that the universe is old, it does not mean god exists. The age of the universe is not guaranteeing or a requirement for God existing. The two concepts can be mutually exclusive. This means that circular reasoning likely taking place implicitly to defend God existing.
Sounds like Mackey, Jr. from Southpark.
Kenny is calling in to a show. The list of the applications of science that make this possible is long. From plastic to satellites.
He sounds like a colleague of the energy vampire, Colin Robinson. (What we do in the shadows).
Eugenie Scott retired from the National Science Education Foundation, not the NSF, years ago
9 minutes... Get to a point having to do with the show already!!!
"Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller..."
Perhaps this has something to do with the English language; so many people think that "Creation" and "existence" are synonymous - therefor if something exists it must have been created; which is obviously a fallacy. Perhaps they are confused with the truism that if something has been created therefor it must exist.
Very dishonest caller.
So, just for fun, who peer reviewed Genesis 1?
My favorite example of physical reality that's been around for a long time, is the Grand Canyon, which is over 50,000 years old. And some archeological finds date back more than 10,000 years ago.
What creationists don't realize, is that God created evolution.
“God created evolution”?
How? How can we demonstrate what this god IS, such that it can “create evolution”? That’s the problem with creationism in the first place. They can’t tell us what “creation” even is or how it works.
I know many people who think like you do, and that’s fine because you’re taking in new information, but it still doesn’t get us anywhere. If that’s just your faith then that’s fine, but you mentioned peer-review so that has to be lumped in as well.
God is not needed.
A man made « god » concept that doesnt exist cant create anything other than reams of BS and deluded theists.
I’m Christian and I don’t agree with the guy either. The majority of Christians are not young earthers.
Because SCIENCE!
Am I Seeing Things...or Am I Really Seeing Matt back out already... great..
but please Matt..Take It Easy..😎🖤😎!
OMG they killed Kenny ! This was the Kenny from South Park wasn't it?
Like many ignorant people, Kenny mistakes science for “whatever some scientists do”.🙈
PROOF.
i loved the x-files. of course i love sci-fi and fantasy.
Kenny could be correct that science is political, and certain groups of science folks are marginalized; he could be correct that the peer review system is bias; he could be right that intelligent design is real (because intelligent design has many candidates who designed the universe or that design could be the intricate work of processes), that the universe is young; he could be right that there's an atheist agenda, but that doesn't logically lead to "God exists".
Moreover, I just looked up the colloquial definition of the word "design", and it turns out that given the colloquial usages of the word design, the abstracted sense of the term refers not to the designer but to the patterns, logic, and complexity of the object. This means that the universe being designed is definitionally too ambiguous. There exists a logic, a complexity, a pattern, a regularity to the universe, but no personality is required to see "design" in the universe. Design really could just be a coincidental property or set of properties based on the abstracted colloquial definition of the word, given all the colloquial definitions of the word "design".
Indeed, based on the abstracted colloquial definition of "intelligent", the logic and adaptive ability to change logic appears to be the abstracted definitional marker of the word "intelligent". The universe changes yet is regular and orderly, logical and creative. Indeed, I'm using personification to describe the inanimate object.
Putting "intelligent" and "design" together, the sense is that complexity, logic, regularity, change occurs within the universe. Theists see this phenomenon and merely personify ordinary yet amazing things about the universe.
It's not science Vs creationism.
When people want to discuss religion; inform them: They might be able to find a phychiatrist willing to charge them $200.00 an hour; to discuss their religion.
I don't obey, enroll, teach, learn, promote, support, participate or fund any religion.
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Well, you'll gain accolades if you can explain how God created the universe and living things.
Magic.
Kenny needs to get out more.
God is an illogical concept...People like the caller are obviously educated and slightly informed. However, a person can be educated while NOT being intellectually sound or honest.
I AM I.Q. RISEN.
Kenny, what are you thinking.? Scientists are a vert great way to get a picture of how science is done. By sending bad science and conspiracy crap, you,re not getting any where with Matt! Many years of using the scientistic method an understanding how review to get with data and good information works. Next time get good data, with good scientist, OK?
It would be impossible for there to be no God.....things don't create themselves...A all knowing creator made this world and everything in it....The Bible explains all this....God himself came to Earth in the body of Christ to reveal his and our heavenly father and to die for the sins of man..that man may be forgiven of his sins and dwell with God in the after life.
God is spirit and always existed and became man in the body of Christ to reveal his heavenly father and his plan and purpose....
I have many ways of seeing Gods proof and even presence daily and all you have to do is look around you and see his handiwork....his clues are everywhere....
And God uses physics and science in his creation process...Evolution does not exist...
All things were created in 6 days about 6000 years ago....
Christ shall return soon to rule the world through the 1000 year reign on Earth....
What created your "god" then? No special pleading allowed.
God always has existed ...he is spirit....he sent his son the Lord Jesus to create the world....before existence there was God and his son only.....existing in nothingness....in spirit form ....with only each other to communicate with....the Heavenly father and Jesus are one...
That's an impressive amount of bloviation.
@@johnbaart1537 What a load of bullshit.
And you didn't even come close to answering my question, Liar for Jesus.
Created things don’t create themselves.
But Naturally Occurring things occur all the time without need for a creator.
ALL the available evidence points to the universe and everything in it being Naturally Occurring.
The Bible is a collection of Unverified claims from mostly anonymous authors writing decades or centuries after the fact from non-eyewitness accounts.
The entire jesus story is an amalgamation of at least half a dozen figures from earlier cultures.
“About 6000 years ago”
We have buildings in Turkey that are at least 11,600 years old.
We have cave paintings that are over 50,000 years old.
“Evolution does not exist”
You should read the work of Francis Collins - The EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN who led the team that sequenced the Human Genome.
"The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming.
I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that.”
Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things.”
Dumb and dumber show. This is all about creation so let me educate you atheists about evolution . There are complex cellular systems like motor protein systems that require all of the parts to be functional before anything works. You cannot build cellular systems gradually with evolution when the system offers zero benefit to give the cell an advantage. The Cells cannot be built with evolution so atheists, how did the cells form fully functional? All evidence of natural selection actually are due to loss of gene function not the addition of new information. A pit bull doesn’t gain muscle mass by added information it’s a broken gene controlling the growth. All bacterial that evolve to change metabolism or antibiotic resistance is by breaking a gene not adding information. Evolution cannot build so life did not and could not go from low to high complexity. Ouch. Science always disproves evolution as a way life evolved.
Tell me you don't understand evolution, or even high school level biology without saying you don't understand evolution, or basic high school biology. The irreducible complexity argument is dumb on its face, and has been done to death. Come up with some new material.
@@user-pn4py6vr4n You must be a kid. The irreducible complexity claim has never been shown wrong. Ever. People like you repeat the lie to each other until you believe it as fact. Back it up. Show me the science. If not then STFU.
@@billneu Really Tony? You’re educated? How about instead of just being a little Douche Bag you educate us and explain where I’m wrong. When you can’t I’ll expect an apology for you being a dumbass.