Never apologize for your kids in the background brother. I have three of my own and they don't nap as much as they used to either; so recording my videos has to sort of happen when it can happen. Awesome review, I love dead-pull tests to measure strength. Great video.
This last summer I used 10lb red label as a leader line for my medium heavy shimano expride jig worm rod. I pulled numerous 3 to 7 pound bass out of heavy lily pads with it. I can tell you it is much stronger than 10 lbs and I had no abrasion problems at all. I also used invizx to a lesser extent but same results. They both have gone to fishing war with me and no issues at all. If I would try something else it would be sunline. And I really miss the seaguar finesse 😭😭😭
Good job, has a lot of nice information. I personally prefer braid main line 10 or 15 pound test for strength and castability. Shorter leaders 1.5 to 3 feet. In costal saltwater I use a higher test mono and in fresh water I use a similar or lighter test polymer. I would only use fluorocarbon as a main line if I were fishing with slack in the line. For some reason, fluorocarbon is the only line that doesn't lose sensitivity in slack situations. At least that's what my experience has led me to believe.
if you prefer FC over braid for some applications, try polyester lines. They are even stiffer, and even denser, and much more sensitive. I don't use fluoro for main line any more if sensitivity matters
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Thanks so much this was a very helpful review! I wish that they didn’t have so many fishing lines. It can be very confusing and seems like a marketing strategy!
thanks for exposing at the end, Seaguar is being cheap on us. The small spools of red label don't even come level spooled anymore. None of the 600 or 1000 yard spools of the other major seaguar fluoro come with the level wind so they're probably not spooled in Japan anymore at all, only the 200 yard spools excluding red label. I've been buying all 200 yard spools of invizx for bass fishing and its more expensive but the line has been very consistent that way. Great breakdown of the lines
The smoothness of the red label and many other jdm lines comes from it having that level wind technology. I guess Seaguar cheaped out on the Invizx so it does not have that ultra slick feel. Sunline fc sniper is the only line I notice I use without level wind. I would also recommend that line.👍
I used seaguar for years until someone showed me sunline assassin line. It isnt expensive when comparing flourocarbon lines, casts great, good knot strength.
@@ifishcatfish I highly recommend sunline assassin. The company says it's the best casting flouro out there. I believe them because the line casts great.
I think one time you mentioned you really like stiff fluorocarbons. If that's the case you might like Seaguar R18 LTD Hard version (it's the one in the gold/tan box not the regular R18 LTD in the white box). It's the stiffest fluoro I've ever tried. Upside is it's very sensitive with a "taut wire" feeling. Downside is it casts very poorly and only goes down to 3lbs.
hmm.. i only use uni knot and never had a problem, but i actually believe you. It is a stiff line, like a mentioned in the video, and i can see how it won't work well with certain knots
I fished with my new soare xr 58 ul rod this weekend I hoped to catch some nice crappies, and the leader I used was 5 lb 0.16mm varivas area-super-trout-master-limited-shock-leader-vsp-fluorocarbon(Main line: varivas 0.6 double cross orange pe). For the first cast of my rod, I hit a 4-5pound hybrid striper. I fight for at least 3 mins and successfully land this fish on my boat. Both the rod and leader surprised me a lot. I was fishing under the bridge and a lot of structure there so I could not set the drag to be very loose. I used to use Seager INVIZX 4 lb 0.16mm. This varivas leader really surprised me a lot. I caught 1 striper, 1 largemouth, more than 15 good size yellow perch, and several crappies and the leader was still in good condition. If you have a chance hope you can try these varivas leaders and give some reviews.
Its hard for me to review a leader when i catch only 6” fish. I think some of the function of the leader is not strength, but to provide some elasticity when u use braid or polyester
@@ifishcatfish Comparing to other high-end rods I have like Cardiff and Shaula ul. I love Soare's action. I think I will keep using Soare this season. Maybe I will try a longer one (Soare ltd S68UL) later
@@ifishcatfish they used to sell it on tacklewarehouse and wasn't well received, I think because people really where not paying attention to it's diameter. I emailed seaguar directly and they officially stated that they had stopped selling it, been looking for it's equivalent in diameter ever since... Still got 2 boxes of 6.2 & 6 boxes of 5.2 left in my stash).that line is from the Future, lol.
i really don't rememember and dont have a box or anything.. its too old for u to find this one anyway. But i don't see a brand name on it.. so it is not anything brand
Hi Victor, do you think if there is a REAL difference between leader and mainline? there is a test on youtube it shows no difference in terms of abrasion resistance. and in my opinion, it is easy to find a stretchy or stiff mono line for your preference if you want less stretch on your line. and one more thing, do you really believe in the invisibility of fluorocarbon lines, does it really affect your hook rate? just a friendly question.
A lot of questions man, and some of them were covered in the video.. - What is the difference between main line and leader requirements: STIFF is good for dropshot leader, as u get no kinks and tangles, but its bad for mainline as coils have hard time going through guides in spinning rods. - Abrasion resistance. I never said a word about that in the video because i don't care too much about that. All of them are good enough for panfish and occasional channel catfish. I am sure some lines are better than others in that respect but that's impossible to confirm on the water. You would need some kind of reproduceable lab tests for me to believe you. - Invisibility - True Fluorocarbon is definitely near invisible when brand new. Watch my video of my perch rigs. I am zoomed in, just inches from the line, and you still cannot see it on camera, and I could not see it with my own eyes. If you find mono that can do that please send me a spool. Until then, there is no dispute FC is more invisible than mono, WHEN NEW. The problem is that when you fish FC in stained water, and then take a break, the bacteria from the water dries on your line and sticks to it. Now the FC has color layer on the surface, and if you go fishing 100 yards down the bank, the water there will have different amount of stain, and all of a sudden your FC becomes very visible. That's why i like fresh FC leaders on every session, even if it doesn't look frayed. Just so it is CLEAN. - This one you don't know, but i just learned with Livescope - FISH SEE A LOT MORE THAN YOU THINK! They COME AND STARE AND STARE and turn around! When you see this yourself, you start to appreciate clean fluorocarbon leader and small hooks that don't stick out of the lure too much.
@@ifishcatfish Hi Victor, thanks so much for the details you provide. I wish I could send you mono samples if we both were living in Turkey :). I watched your perch rig video and I understand your point. You are using micro rigs connecting with 0.12 - 0.18mm. using FC in this case makes sense. I was a fan of FC but after reading and searching many articles it started to sound like a great marketing thing. People using FC not only for invisibility but the gravity is higher than mono and it sinks + another reason. I asked you because you are an avid fisherman and you are on the field unlike me :) Thanks for your all videos. I really appreciate it.
if you fish clear water it is worth spending 10 bucks on a spool of FC, to use only as leader. It will last you a lifetime. It is generally stiffer than mono too, which is a nice thing when u work with thin lines as it avoids tangles. People were catching fish fine without FC for 100 years, so u can live without it, but there it definitely makes a better leader than mono
Yes, but I have to say I am not aware of any lines that are not good for saltwater. Whatever your favorite line is - you can safely use it in saltwater. It will deteriorate faster, but any line will deteriorate faster in saltwater.
Very strange that a Japanese manufacturer will play these small games. Not typical. For anyone looking to buy, tackle warehouse Christmas sale: day one is seaguar. My experience with invizx 4#, after a few fish, it starts to fray on the outside and coil, and then when it breaks , it does not snap cleanly, left with two ends with multiple strands. Never seen that in a fc line. It’s almost like the outside starts to loose strength and then the inside follows. My experience anyway.
what fish? I used this for leader when i float fish for crappie all year. 100 fish every session with no issues. Only when i get some stray channel or walleye i retie, but never for panfish..
Keep making these videos I enjoy watching all your reviews on the products you use
thank you mr Joe!
Never apologize for your kids in the background brother. I have three of my own and they don't nap as much as they used to either; so recording my videos has to sort of happen when it can happen. Awesome review, I love dead-pull tests to measure strength. Great video.
Thanks bud
Great review. The last couple min explaining what to notice on line spool was something I would have never thought of. Thank you!
This last summer I used 10lb red label as a leader line for my medium heavy shimano expride jig worm rod. I pulled numerous 3 to 7 pound bass out of heavy lily pads with it. I can tell you it is much stronger than 10 lbs and I had no abrasion problems at all. I also used invizx to a lesser extent but same results. They both have gone to fishing war with me and no issues at all. If I would try something else it would be sunline. And I really miss the seaguar finesse 😭😭😭
i think out of the 3 the Red Label makes the best leader material, despite the other two being stronger
Good job, has a lot of nice information. I personally prefer braid main line 10 or 15 pound test for strength and castability. Shorter leaders 1.5 to 3 feet. In costal saltwater I use a higher test mono and in fresh water I use a similar or lighter test polymer. I would only use fluorocarbon as a main line if I were fishing with slack in the line. For some reason, fluorocarbon is the only line that doesn't lose sensitivity in slack situations. At least that's what my experience has led me to believe.
if you prefer FC over braid for some applications, try polyester lines. They are even stiffer, and even denser, and much more sensitive. I don't use fluoro for main line any more if sensitivity matters
Great review Victor. I personally love RedLabel due to it being quick and accessible. I still need to try some Varivas though.
I use Red Label the most too!
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thanks for the great info keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much this was a very helpful review! I wish that they didn’t have so many fishing lines. It can be very confusing and seems like a marketing strategy!
they are all pretty good today. Low risk.
Thanks
Nice video 👍
Thanks 👍
thanks for exposing at the end, Seaguar is being cheap on us. The small spools of red label don't even come level spooled anymore. None of the 600 or 1000 yard spools of the other major seaguar fluoro come with the level wind so they're probably not spooled in Japan anymore at all, only the 200 yard spools excluding red label. I've been buying all 200 yard spools of invizx for bass fishing and its more expensive but the line has been very consistent that way. Great breakdown of the lines
i think u right. Then ship them in commercial spools of 10 000 meters and then they spool little spools in the shop as people buy them
The smoothness of the red label and many other jdm lines comes from it having that level wind technology. I guess Seaguar cheaped out on the Invizx so it does not have that ultra slick feel. Sunline fc sniper is the only line I notice I use without level wind. I would also recommend that line.👍
i think the small spools are good. Only on the big spools they play these games. I think this line is respooled locally in the USA.
I used seaguar for years until someone showed me sunline assassin line. It isnt expensive when comparing flourocarbon lines, casts great, good knot strength.
i think im done with seaguar after i finish these. Wana try some other brands
@@ifishcatfish I highly recommend sunline assassin. The company says it's the best casting flouro out there. I believe them because the line casts great.
I think one time you mentioned you really like stiff fluorocarbons. If that's the case you might like Seaguar R18 LTD Hard version (it's the one in the gold/tan box not the regular R18 LTD in the white box). It's the stiffest fluoro I've ever tried. Upside is it's very sensitive with a "taut wire" feeling. Downside is it casts very poorly and only goes down to 3lbs.
thats great. I dont need it for casting - just for tying dropshot rigs at the end. I like thin line but they tangle easier..
I had bad luck with the Red label breaking my leaders right at the Surgeons Loop knot, so went back to mono... no problems now.
hmm.. i only use uni knot and never had a problem, but i actually believe you. It is a stiff line, like a mentioned in the video, and i can see how it won't work well with certain knots
I fished with my new soare xr 58 ul rod this weekend I hoped to catch some nice crappies, and the leader I used was 5 lb 0.16mm varivas area-super-trout-master-limited-shock-leader-vsp-fluorocarbon(Main line: varivas 0.6 double cross orange pe). For the first cast of my rod, I hit a 4-5pound hybrid striper. I fight for at least 3 mins and successfully land this fish on my boat. Both the rod and leader surprised me a lot. I was fishing under the bridge and a lot of structure there so I could not set the drag to be very loose. I used to use Seager INVIZX 4 lb 0.16mm. This varivas leader really surprised me a lot. I caught 1 striper, 1 largemouth, more than 15 good size yellow perch, and several crappies and the leader was still in good condition. If you have a chance hope you can try these varivas leaders and give some reviews.
Its hard for me to review a leader when i catch only 6” fish. I think some of the function of the leader is not strength, but to provide some elasticity when u use braid or polyester
@@ifishcatfish Agree. Both the leader and the rod provided a lot elasticity
how do u like holding that handle?
It is Good. Very comfortable.
@@ifishcatfish Comparing to other high-end rods I have like Cardiff and Shaula ul. I love Soare's action. I think I will keep using Soare this season. Maybe I will try a longer one (Soare ltd S68UL) later
I believe seaguar stopped selling the finesse , which I'm totally in love with, it has no peer. If you know where I can buy some, please let me know.
i didnt know that... its so expensive i thought it was a big money maker..
@@ifishcatfish they used to sell it on tacklewarehouse and wasn't well received, I think because people really where not paying attention to it's diameter. I emailed seaguar directly and they officially stated that they had stopped selling it, been looking for it's equivalent in diameter ever since... Still got 2 boxes of 6.2 & 6 boxes of 5.2 left in my stash).that line is from the Future, lol.
I'm fishing salmon (up to 25lbs) in the northwest rivers - which LEADER (my mainline is braid)? thx
invizx
I use red level, stop buying invizx but definitely will try finesse one... Full spool why not?!
Seaguar is playing some funny games with the big spools. Watch the last few minutes of the video one more time..
@@ifishcatfish I mean full spool without leader... I watched the video Vic, come on!!
maybe i misunderstood you... what do u mean by 'full spool'? I thought u are asking whats wrong with the big spool - 1000 yards...
@@ifishcatfish as main line I should say!
It is very stiff. Not good for casting with spinning rods. Difficult to go through guides. The other two are softer and cast better.
Where did you find that drag tester? I've been looking for one online.
i really don't rememember and dont have a box or anything.. its too old for u to find this one anyway. But i don't see a brand name on it.. so it is not anything brand
Hi Victor, do you think if there is a REAL difference between leader and mainline? there is a test on youtube it shows no difference in terms of abrasion resistance. and in my opinion, it is easy to find a stretchy or stiff mono line for your preference if you want less stretch on your line. and one more thing, do you really believe in the invisibility of fluorocarbon lines, does it really affect your hook rate? just a friendly question.
A lot of questions man, and some of them were covered in the video..
- What is the difference between main line and leader requirements: STIFF is good for dropshot leader, as u get no kinks and tangles, but its bad for mainline as coils have hard time going through guides in spinning rods.
- Abrasion resistance. I never said a word about that in the video because i don't care too much about that. All of them are good enough for panfish and occasional channel catfish. I am sure some lines are better than others in that respect but that's impossible to confirm on the water. You would need some kind of reproduceable lab tests for me to believe you.
- Invisibility - True Fluorocarbon is definitely near invisible when brand new. Watch my video of my perch rigs. I am zoomed in, just inches from the line, and you still cannot see it on camera, and I could not see it with my own eyes. If you find mono that can do that please send me a spool. Until then, there is no dispute FC is more invisible than mono, WHEN NEW. The problem is that when you fish FC in stained water, and then take a break, the bacteria from the water dries on your line and sticks to it. Now the FC has color layer on the surface, and if you go fishing 100 yards down the bank, the water there will have different amount of stain, and all of a sudden your FC becomes very visible. That's why i like fresh FC leaders on every session, even if it doesn't look frayed. Just so it is CLEAN.
- This one you don't know, but i just learned with Livescope - FISH SEE A LOT MORE THAN YOU THINK! They COME AND STARE AND STARE and turn around! When you see this yourself, you start to appreciate clean fluorocarbon leader and small hooks that don't stick out of the lure too much.
@@ifishcatfish Hi Victor, thanks so much for the details you provide. I wish I could send you mono samples if we both were living in Turkey :). I watched your perch rig video and I understand your point. You are using micro rigs connecting with 0.12 - 0.18mm. using FC in this case makes sense. I was a fan of FC but after reading and searching many articles it started to sound like a great marketing thing. People using FC not only for invisibility but the gravity is higher than mono and it sinks + another reason. I asked you because you are an avid fisherman and you are on the field unlike me :) Thanks for your all videos. I really appreciate it.
if you fish clear water it is worth spending 10 bucks on a spool of FC, to use only as leader. It will last you a lifetime. It is generally stiffer than mono too, which is a nice thing when u work with thin lines as it avoids tangles. People were catching fish fine without FC for 100 years, so u can live without it, but there it definitely makes a better leader than mono
@@ifishcatfish Thank you again. Have a good night and happy new year and Merry Christmas :)
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Hello which one is better quality. Seaguar Red label or Seaguar white label ?
what white label?
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thank u for information.the finesse version good for salt water?
Yes, but I have to say I am not aware of any lines that are not good for saltwater. Whatever your favorite line is - you can safely use it in saltwater. It will deteriorate faster, but any line will deteriorate faster in saltwater.
@@ifishcatfish thank you.
The blue label was the less strong , how is your math 8.4 test blue vs 6 pound test red?
maybe watch the vid again. Closer
Very strange that a Japanese manufacturer will play these small games. Not typical. For anyone looking to buy, tackle warehouse Christmas sale: day one is seaguar.
My experience with invizx 4#, after a few fish, it starts to fray on the outside and coil, and then when it breaks , it does not snap cleanly, left with two ends with multiple strands. Never seen that in a fc line. It’s almost like the outside starts to loose strength and then the inside follows. My experience anyway.
what fish? I used this for leader when i float fish for crappie all year. 100 fish every session with no issues. Only when i get some stray channel or walleye i retie, but never for panfish..
Whats your opinion on seaguar AbrasX?
Never used it, but if u really want abrasive resistant line, just get nylon. Varivas has some very high quality nylon lines that stretch very little.
That would be good if you had 4lb red label to test.
red label doesn't come in 4 lb