Honestly? He was a pussy. Damned Mankind because of "muh sons" who ended up being damned anyway (thanks Ahriman & Tzeentch). My estimation of Magnus the Red as a Primarch just plummeted.
Big E should just have talked to magnus, if the throne was meant for him. If the emperor had simply shown Magnus the truth of the warp, None of the heresey wouldve happened.
It wasn't meant for him. Nobody was on the Throne yet, because there was no hell hole ripped into the webway project, because Magnus hadn't betrayed the Emperor yet
Storytelling-wise, that wouldn't work because every story needs a semblance of a three-act structure. Lore-wise, even if Big E informed all of his sons about the truth of the warp, the Chaos Gods already had their sights on humanity, especially on Big E because he supposedly double-crossed them. So some form of great tragedy would still befall on the Imperium. But still, I feel you. It would be nice to see a happy Imperium where Big E and his sons never succumbed to the warp and have successfully conquered the galaxy.
Just telling Magnus would likely not be enough. All the primarchs who fell did so because of character flaws or insecurities being preyed upon by the Chaos gods, just like what happens with everyone who falls. A moment of weakness is all it takes, and you're screwed. Every single time. Magnus' problem was that he always HAD TO find out things himself. He arrogantly thought that he could handle anything, and so he dove into everything. His headstrong nature served him well until it damned him. So even if the Emperor told him, he would've gone too far on something else. That's the tragedy of his character. He wasn't evil, just too proud of his own ability to figure things out. And just like the other fallen primarchs, he blames others for his own failings.
I'm willing to bet that even if Dad told him the full picture, Magnus would have gone. "OK, but I'm made of different stuff Dad! I'm at a whole other level. I can handle anything!" And done something even more reckless.
A rune priest accusing anyone of witchcraft is rather hilarious. I'm sure Russ knew that they were really psykers. And even if he had convinced himself, Big E MUST HAVE known. Dorn knew, and confronted Russ about it at some point. I feel that the Emperor allowing the Space Wolves to keep using rune priests must have contributed to the dissatisfaction of some. Its a testament to Magnus' loyalty to the Emperor that it didn't seem to upset him.
In wolfsbane Russ confronts the fact that he is a hypocrite and that it didn't take much convincing from Horus to go against his father and Malkadors wishes to bring him back alive.
Magnus' story and the fate of his Sons is the greatest tragedy of all the Legions. The Emperor created Magnus and the 15th to be psykers and then he betrayed them at Nikaea. Next, Leman accepted without question when Horus amended the Emperor's arrest order to execution because of his personal enmity for Magnus. Then, Malcedor implanted Magnus' soul shard, that which contained Magnus' goodness and nobility into an Astartes, thereby preventing Magnus from reclaiming it and possibly gaining redemption for himself and his Legion. Finally, Ahriman's Rubrik virtually destroyed the remnants of his Legion. Magnus and the 15th is a tale of betrayal and unjust bigotry by their own. They are my favorite because they were the victims of the Empire.
its heavily implied in new lore that Russ knew something was wrong with Horus's amendment to the Emperor's orders but because he already had a blood oath to kill Magnus, went along with the lie to excuse himself when he killed Magnus and would have an allabye when Big E asked him why he killed Magnus. "Oh well I was just following orders" type shit.
@@DeathSithe92 Worse he had been harboring a greater daemon since the council of nikea and was preaching that BS about Magnus being out of control my nigga if you had tried to work with him instead of antagonizing him you would've probably noticed too how you're squad was almost wiped out by chaos.
My biggest problem with WH40K lore is that somebody with the intelligence and experience of the Emperor could never have committed the blunders that are required for the events of the Horus Heresy to unfold as they did.
That’s why everything is open too interpretation over the past ten years or so the common theme with it all is that this was always his plan which I personally think is a get out of jail free card for gw nonetheless I still love the universe.
You’re missing it man. Thats the point. The emperor was supposed to be perfect but in all good knowledge, perfection, and power his failure to be a father instead of a commander has torn down and caused the basterdization of his dreams.
@@micahvessels9108 For all of his scheming and planning, the Emperor was brought down by the one thing he didn't care to account for, that thing being human nature...
He is human at his core, no matter how powerful, intelligent, and awe inspiring he is. And his mistakes are what lends creedence to his being the representative of humanity
"Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Magnus the Red?" Tzeentch isn't just the God of Change, Magic, and Secrets. He's also the God of hope. All Magnus did was hope for a better world through knowledge and understanding. And in return he got Tzeemtch's eternal echoing cackle from the depths of the impossible labyrinth. 😭
People love sanguinius, the lion and vulkan, but in actuality the entire imperium could have been led by perturabo, magnus and guilliman. Perturabo would be the master of technology slowly but surely equipping humanity to usurp the throne of the machine god over a century or so. Guilliman would basically run the imperium and magnus would be the psychic force.
Great video. I often think this is one of the most easily avoided tragedies in 40k. Emperor didn't need to spill the whole can of beans, but he could have at least said he was working in something good that required total isolation. Also, the Emperor was somewhat leading Magnus on. Why even bother to share any secrets with Magnus if you're going to shut him down?
Except the Emperor did that. He told Magnus to trust him, He told Magnus never deal with daemons, He warned Magnus constantly about delving into the Warp. Magnus knew about Chaos. This is why Magnus' fall is impossible to avoid. Because Magnus knew everything, according to Thousand Sons. He just didn't care, because he thought he knew better. He thought he was stronger than the Emperor because he fought daemons when he went into the Warp; but the Emperor never fought daemons. He never needed to. Magnus was told "here be dragons" and went "Oh neat, I wanna meet them!" He deserved what he got.
The Emperor is so silly for not expecting his trusted son to betray him, ignore his decrees and use human sacrifices to project his mind across a hell dimension to smash through his psychic barriers.... No, it is every bit Magnus fault
Loved the video but the music was a bit distracting. When it’s quiet it’s not bad, but it slowly crescendos over about 3 mins, over and over again, and when it’s loud the narrator is hard to hear.
Yeah. He was already fractured at that point. It was cool that he was trying to treat the humans well while infiltrating the city on the way to the palace. He was getting on okay with the Emperor until he said his legion was too damaged to be saved, and he'd give him a new legion. It's weird he freaked out so hard, because he kind of stopped caring about them not too long after.
"The Great Crusade" was sadly sabotaged by "The Great Ooops!" Great job mate! I really do like Magnus, which makes his fall all the more painful. Even before their rivalry I didn't like Leman Russ... Nevertheless, Magnus screwed up.. smdh Great Video!!!Also ehrn did Leman Russ try to Warn Magnus!? I never knew that
The only thing magnus truly did wrong, cause he should have known better, was to break the warp defence by striking a deal with an unknown entity. If he were smart, he woukd have adressed the closest astropaths outside the barrier to relay this urgent message, maybe even demanding the emperor sparing a few minutes to call him back asap. That woukd have been the best option to ensure a quick notification about horus towards terra/emperor and not fucking up a psychic defense, which probably isnt there for fun 🙄 But i overall still blame emps. Magnus would have been wise enough to listen and understand. F the wolfs, especially Leman, f horus, f emps. Magnus deserved more trust even before all this transpired.
The great powers bestowed to Magnus at his very inception are in stark contrast of all his failures at understanding and and utilize them err...properly. The writers kind of couldn't make their minds about the red guy and his continous plot failures are quite comical as setup. The guy is supposedly way above even his brothers in using the power which separates the normies from the demigod primarchs and the primarchs themselves from their daddy the god Emperor but he is beaten left and right by any named character in the franchise haha. How would one so gifted in the magic( warp) to be considered almost on level with the Big E minus the thosands of years of expirience ofc would not for example sence the very gods presence in the warp itself?
Magnus was betrayed? by whom exactly ahh yes the arch traitor horus. He was the one giving the space wolves the orders at hes destruction of hes homeworld. Plus magnus was like ohh we have to let them destroy us bla bla shit. Insted of actually trying to resolve anything! Magnus is arrogant stupid as hell. He clashed with others because of hes belifs... and what not. Horus gave the orders to kill him. But the funny part is this is the Emperors orders from the man himself. Russ does not listen to hes dad? well ofc he doesnt... free spirit and drunk and equally stupid as magnus. Magnus was even given the chance to get a new legion! but what does he do? I love these guys!!! wtf!... No Magnus was a disapointment arrogant and a fool only hearing tzeench tunes. No forgiveness to the traitor! or the heretic.
Emperor: Don’t cry, Magnus. I’ll give you a new legion.
Magnus: I don’t want a new legion. I want my Thousand Sons.
Honestly? He was a pussy. Damned Mankind because of "muh sons" who ended up being damned anyway (thanks Ahriman & Tzeentch).
My estimation of Magnus the Red as a Primarch just plummeted.
i want a replacement legion! clones wars! except the originals get deleted if needed ... haha .. business
As a Swede, I kind of fancy that planet.. nIKEA.
I could listen to the narrator read a cooker manual. It's that captivating
Big E should just have talked to magnus, if the throne was meant for him. If the emperor had simply shown Magnus the truth of the warp, None of the heresey wouldve happened.
It wasn't meant for him. Nobody was on the Throne yet, because there was no hell hole ripped into the webway project, because Magnus hadn't betrayed the Emperor yet
@@richter6699yes but the hole was the thing that shouldn't have happened... Magnus was probably supposed to replace the Navigators Houses.
Storytelling-wise, that wouldn't work because every story needs a semblance of a three-act structure.
Lore-wise, even if Big E informed all of his sons about the truth of the warp, the Chaos Gods already had their sights on humanity, especially on Big E because he supposedly double-crossed them. So some form of great tragedy would still befall on the Imperium.
But still, I feel you. It would be nice to see a happy Imperium where Big E and his sons never succumbed to the warp and have successfully conquered the galaxy.
Just telling Magnus would likely not be enough. All the primarchs who fell did so because of character flaws or insecurities being preyed upon by the Chaos gods, just like what happens with everyone who falls. A moment of weakness is all it takes, and you're screwed. Every single time. Magnus' problem was that he always HAD TO find out things himself. He arrogantly thought that he could handle anything, and so he dove into everything. His headstrong nature served him well until it damned him. So even if the Emperor told him, he would've gone too far on something else. That's the tragedy of his character. He wasn't evil, just too proud of his own ability to figure things out. And just like the other fallen primarchs, he blames others for his own failings.
I'm willing to bet that even if Dad told him the full picture, Magnus would have gone.
"OK, but I'm made of different stuff Dad! I'm at a whole other level. I can handle anything!"
And done something even more reckless.
A rune priest accusing anyone of witchcraft is rather hilarious. I'm sure Russ knew that they were really psykers. And even if he had convinced himself, Big E MUST HAVE known. Dorn knew, and confronted Russ about it at some point. I feel that the Emperor allowing the Space Wolves to keep using rune priests must have contributed to the dissatisfaction of some. Its a testament to Magnus' loyalty to the Emperor that it didn't seem to upset him.
We was just a religious realot who covered it in self righteous pride.
Magnus reminded him of that so he hated him.
In wolfsbane Russ confronts the fact that he is a hypocrite and that it didn't take much convincing from Horus to go against his father and Malkadors wishes to bring him back alive.
I didn't realize Magnus' downfall was so tragic 😢
Sending leman Russ to capture Magnus was the most stupid choice ever. Magnus could have helped end the Horus heresy earlier
More importantly, Magnus and his legion would have been the difference between the loss and victory of the war in the webway.
Emperor should have used the ancient human archeotech that deals with troublesome children. Za Belto
Or the cigarette lighter from the car 😢
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La Chancla Penitentius
Magnus' story and the fate of his Sons is the greatest tragedy of all the Legions. The Emperor created Magnus and the 15th to be psykers and then he betrayed them at Nikaea. Next, Leman accepted without question when Horus amended the Emperor's arrest order to execution because of his personal enmity for Magnus. Then, Malcedor implanted Magnus' soul shard, that which contained Magnus' goodness and nobility into an Astartes, thereby preventing Magnus from reclaiming it and possibly gaining redemption for himself and his Legion. Finally, Ahriman's Rubrik virtually destroyed the remnants of his Legion. Magnus and the 15th is a tale of betrayal and unjust bigotry by their own. They are my favorite because they were the victims of the Empire.
its heavily implied in new lore that Russ knew something was wrong with Horus's amendment to the Emperor's orders but because he already had a blood oath to kill Magnus, went along with the lie to excuse himself when he killed Magnus and would have an allabye when Big E asked him why he killed Magnus. "Oh well I was just following orders" type shit.
@@DeathSithe92 Worse he had been harboring a greater daemon since the council of nikea and was preaching that BS about Magnus being out of control my nigga if you had tried to work with him instead of antagonizing him you would've probably noticed too how you're squad was almost wiped out by chaos.
I haven't had a nice, refreshing Lemon Russ in far too long
Where do they get some of these names I wonder?
Ah yes my good friend Row boat Guilliman
Magnus: a giant psyker.
Everyone else: we hate you.
Big E the biggest psyker.
Everyone else: we love you.
Everyone else: uses psykers anyway.
Also big E( goes soul shoppin at local wallmart )....
😂
Great voice, great background music, great background art and narration. Thanks.
fantastic work
My biggest problem with WH40K lore is that somebody with the intelligence and experience of the Emperor could never have committed the blunders that are required for the events of the Horus Heresy to unfold as they did.
That’s why everything is open too interpretation over the past ten years or so the common theme with it all is that this was always his plan which I personally think is a get out of jail free card for gw nonetheless I still love the universe.
You’re missing it man. Thats the point. The emperor was supposed to be perfect but in all good knowledge, perfection, and power his failure to be a father instead of a commander has torn down and caused the basterdization of his dreams.
I swear, sometimes it feels like the lore is just fluff to prop up the sale of books and miniature model kits.
@@micahvessels9108 For all of his scheming and planning, the Emperor was brought down by the one thing he didn't care to account for, that thing being human nature...
He is human at his core, no matter how powerful, intelligent, and awe inspiring he is. And his mistakes are what lends creedence to his being the representative of humanity
He is a true hero.
Henceforth, Magnus the Red will be known as Magnus the Hero.
"Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Magnus the Red?"
Tzeentch isn't just the God of Change, Magic, and Secrets. He's also the God of hope.
All Magnus did was hope for a better world through knowledge and understanding. And in return he got Tzeemtch's eternal echoing cackle from the depths of the impossible labyrinth.
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I mean.... I really enjoy this channel!!!
People love sanguinius, the lion and vulkan, but in actuality the entire imperium could have been led by perturabo, magnus and guilliman. Perturabo would be the master of technology slowly but surely equipping humanity to usurp the throne of the machine god over a century or so. Guilliman would basically run the imperium and magnus would be the psychic force.
Does anyone know the background music that starts at 31:13? It's a vibe I'd like to know the original song
Hey I'm sorry I don't, I'm trying to find the song at 3:30
Great video. I often think this is one of the most easily avoided tragedies in 40k. Emperor didn't need to spill the whole can of beans, but he could have at least said he was working in something good that required total isolation.
Also, the Emperor was somewhat leading Magnus on. Why even bother to share any secrets with Magnus if you're going to shut him down?
Right, maybe tell your wizard son have wizard stuff to do. I bet he would have understood that.
Except the Emperor did that. He told Magnus to trust him, He told Magnus never deal with daemons, He warned Magnus constantly about delving into the Warp. Magnus knew about Chaos.
This is why Magnus' fall is impossible to avoid.
Because Magnus knew everything, according to Thousand Sons. He just didn't care, because he thought he knew better. He thought he was stronger than the Emperor because he fought daemons when he went into the Warp; but the Emperor never fought daemons. He never needed to.
Magnus was told "here be dragons" and went "Oh neat, I wanna meet them!" He deserved what he got.
The Emperor is so silly for not expecting his trusted son to betray him, ignore his decrees and use human sacrifices to project his mind across a hell dimension to smash through his psychic barriers....
No, it is every bit Magnus fault
The beauty of Warhammer is the natural born warrior.
Loved the video but the music was a bit distracting. When it’s quiet it’s not bad, but it slowly crescendos over about 3 mins, over and over again, and when it’s loud the narrator is hard to hear.
yes, thank you for pointing this out.
Give him thumbs up. Thats alot of war.
This was good, but there are a few strange phrases like "Planet of the Witch-Hunters" which is definitely not its name! Is this for algorithm reasons?
The Emperor's rule free of love and compassion spells the destruction of all of his designs and plans.
LOVING THE VIDS
Good stuff. Many thanks.
crazy to think Magnus could of been the primarch of the grey knights, all he had to do is say yes, and not be an idiot.
Yeah. He was already fractured at that point. It was cool that he was trying to treat the humans well while infiltrating the city on the way to the palace. He was getting on okay with the Emperor until he said his legion was too damaged to be saved, and he'd give him a new legion. It's weird he freaked out so hard, because he kind of stopped caring about them not too long after.
Subbed. Not sure where you've been other than my feeds
Does anyone know the song at 3:29?
Such an epic song and sums up for me the tragedy of Magnus
Freaking Tzeentch man. Always up to something 😢
These are so f'n good.
Solid vid! A bit of feedback though. Could you mix the muxic better? There are several points where the music makes you narration hard to follow
Kind of ironic that some legions had a hatered of psychers, given that their "father" and ruler are one, and that that was even how they came to be.
"The Great Crusade" was sadly sabotaged by "The Great Ooops!" Great job mate! I really do like Magnus, which makes his fall all the more painful. Even before their rivalry I didn't like Leman Russ... Nevertheless, Magnus screwed up.. smdh Great Video!!!Also ehrn did Leman Russ try to Warn Magnus!? I never knew that
amaaazing
The only thing magnus truly did wrong, cause he should have known better, was to break the warp defence by striking a deal with an unknown entity.
If he were smart, he woukd have adressed the closest astropaths outside the barrier to relay this urgent message, maybe even demanding the emperor sparing a few minutes to call him back asap.
That woukd have been the best option to ensure a quick notification about horus towards terra/emperor and not fucking up a psychic defense, which probably isnt there for fun 🙄
But i overall still blame emps.
Magnus would have been wise enough to listen and understand.
F the wolfs, especially Leman, f horus, f emps.
Magnus deserved more trust even before all this transpired.
Betrayed he says.
*laughs in Angron, Morty and Pete Turbo*
If Magnus did nothing during the heresy he would still have been condemned!
Its not even a question. Magnus was the one who was betrayed.
The rolling music grew too tedious to allow me to enjoy the awesome narrator.
Magnus did the right thing and was punished harshly for the mistake of loyalty to the emperor and mankind.
Loved the video. However the music at times was just a tad bit to loud and you struggle to hear your voice
Magnus did nothing wrong.
Maybe 1 thing.
A little bit of the blame is his, but he had the right intentions
Heresy!!!!!!!
The great powers bestowed to Magnus at his very inception are in stark contrast of all his failures at understanding and and utilize them err...properly. The writers kind of couldn't make their minds about the red guy and his continous plot failures are quite comical as setup. The guy is supposedly way above even his brothers in using the power which separates the normies from the demigod primarchs and the primarchs themselves from their daddy the god Emperor but he is beaten left and right by any named character in the franchise haha. How would one so gifted in the magic( warp) to be considered almost on level with the Big E minus the thosands of years of expirience ofc would not for example sence the very gods presence in the warp itself?
As good as this is, the constant music blaring in the background makes it impossible to enjoy this, especially when using it for falling asleep :(
... just go to bed? I promise, it's easier without noise.
Right all videos should be catered to an audience that is falling asleep instead of paying attention to them.
I love the soundtrack. Cope with it
Don't put in the music
Who Fucked up Big time and Horus Made it worst by being a Traitor
3:52 That pic of Magnus SUCKS ASS! LOL whoever drew this, change career.
ALGORITHM
Magnus was betrayed? by whom exactly ahh yes the arch traitor horus. He was the one giving the space wolves the orders at hes destruction of hes homeworld.
Plus magnus was like ohh we have to let them destroy us bla bla shit. Insted of actually trying to resolve anything!
Magnus is arrogant stupid as hell. He clashed with others because of hes belifs... and what not.
Horus gave the orders to kill him. But the funny part is this is the Emperors orders from the man himself. Russ does not listen to hes dad? well ofc he doesnt... free spirit and drunk and equally stupid as magnus.
Magnus was even given the chance to get a new legion! but what does he do? I love these guys!!! wtf!...
No Magnus was a disapointment arrogant and a fool only hearing tzeench tunes. No forgiveness to the traitor! or the heretic.
So this is rahdan and dark souls is now in the same universe as 40k
music, very annoying
HA!
NERRRRRD
Russ is a bit of a crybully.
Magnus did nothing wrong
Just a peacock.
Russ was always the worst primarch
Magnus did nothing wrong.