Can confirm that my friend who got me into Melee and introduced me to Borp said "he took a set off Toph!" Then later amended it to "he took a game." Finally I watched the set and saw that neither were true. It's funny how being taken to last stock in one game was just slowly morphed into losing the set in the memory of a bunch of Melee fans
It's still crazy to me that Borp was able to beat a fantastic player such as yourself without any tech. Just goes to show how next level he was at the time.
Ultimate players do wavedash, it just doesn't do much if anything. They want to but the game doesn't let them. The amount of times I see people waveland on a platform just for the sake of it is crazy Edit: wanted to share the use cases it does have though, but they're super situational Proto used it at summit as a situational bait "I'm running and can't dash back, that means I'm committing. WRONG, have A wavedash back forward tilt for trying to punish me" Sometimes it can be used to cancel initial dash and stay grounded, similar to the previous example since dashing is an actually commitment in ult. Its usually a little faster to land on a platform with it. Some charactera do just have bad ones though where even these don't apply. Keep in mind most of this is from 1 player at a few tournaments. Very limited
@@kestrel7493 I used to be an ultimate player and I did that shit all the time, and the people I was playing were like "Oh what's this tech you're doing with the platforms? Oh that's really cool seems pretty good" Thankfully I have realized this was trash and also switched to melee
One of my favorite melee clips is the handwarmer of the grand finals at MOAL 37 between PGH Carroll and Borp, where Borp wavedashes a couple of times during the handwarmer and PGH Carroll looks over at him like WTF and the commentators freak out. Also, one of my favorite melee player facts is that Borp is the brother of Pannenkoek (of the Super Mario 64 A Button Challenge fame).
@@dr_ill True, but also they couldn't be any less alike insofar as one of them uses the simplest possible videogame strategy whereas the other's videogame strats are so needlessly complex that you have to begin to question his sanity
Bro. WTF. I remember watching this set in 2017 when I started watching Melee. I legit thought Borp beat you, even til today. That's a crazy Mandela Effect.
Learn how to do tech skill. Trust me it'll make improving so much easier, and you'll hit a wall pretty quickly without it. Especially in this day and age just watching the borp set like virtually none of the stuff he was doing would work today imo, unless your only goal in the game is to be the best in your friend group or maybe take a game off of 0-2 scrubs.
and like. fr borp is sick. he's just. not as good as people kinda want him to be, "no techskill" is just such a cool and goofy underdog story, and we sorta forged a mythology around that.
Fun fact: Borp’s brother is the super Mario 64 player Pannenkoek2012, aka the 0.5 A presses guy. I guess playing video games in unique ways runs in the family.
toph been watching you commentate melee for years, we actually met at the foundry once in 2017, first video that i've ever been recommended from you, insta subscribe, keep on keeping on my man, much love
I lived outside of pit for like 11 months so I went to a couple of the pgh weeklies. The first one I went to I played my first game against borp and was told "Really the only thing I can say about Borp is he is going to destroy you and you aren't going to know what happened." He was right. Mans was the captain of the chess club or something like that and he definitely played like it.
I'm a massive Toph fan after you started streaming/posting youtube vids (I miss the TOPH and Scar show) and I definitely got Mandela'd despite watching this set and most of BH4 LIVE. I'm so sorry Toph, you deserve better. PS yes your movement was clean af and idk why people always clowned on you with no backing
I’m from Indiana and I remember borp and the lake beat most of our good players right in a row except rik if anyone knows who rik is they both still gave him a run for his money, this was at big house 4
Bro really made a whole video to take borp down again; remind everyone that he beat borp clean. That's crazy. Keep it goin Toph genuinely love your commentary G
Borp is actually from the distant future, he was sucked back in time in a space voyage gone wrong. He loved competitive melee, but he felt it unfair that his futuristic understanding of the game gave him an advantage, so he voluntarily handicaps himself to maintain the state of the game.
In reference to he's like a glitchless speedrunner comment around 12 minutes, he's actually the brother of the guy who made the half a press watch for rolling rocks video, so a lot more accurate of a statement than you may think lol edit: check out borp's last yt video, he has a link to his philosophy "book" in the comments, it's super solid
Up-smash at low-mid percents is my favorite anti air, I used to be pretty solid at utilizing the invincible torso to space around moves. If it trades you can get some crazy follow-ups.
It's an exit glitch where you hold down B to go back at the CSS while hovering over another character and selecting them or something. You can also see it happen with light blue Yoshi stock icons fairly often. Just search "Melee stock glitch" and you'll find it lol.
it's insanely true. I tried to remember how this sent went before finishing the video and all I remembered was the moment where you gave him credit for the upsmash, and that just creates this air that borp won the set. makes me wonder aboure more Mandela effects in melee 🤔
You should do a vid on you vs green ranger at bh3. Reverse mandella effect, I thought u won that set but that has to be the saddest toph I've ever seen. 😢
I started out playing with in 2016 and the room mate who got me into it told me I look like I played like borp because sheik was my first character and I knew nothing about melee tech. I said who is that and he said a sheik player who took a set off toph . I then said who is that
Borp is a legend. He's proof that not everyone is a sweaty button masher. (I don't think people are sweaty button mashers, I'm more talking about ultimate players that think that)
Man, I wish you've make this video in the first half of 2019 so I could've asked you jokingly "hey didn't Borp beat you?" when I met you and asked for a picture lmao
Can confirm that my friend who got me into Melee and introduced me to Borp said "he took a set off Toph!" Then later amended it to "he took a game." Finally I watched the set and saw that neither were true. It's funny how being taken to last stock in one game was just slowly morphed into losing the set in the memory of a bunch of Melee fans
Yeah guess I beat nut with yoshi then, crazy
It's still crazy to me that Borp was able to beat a fantastic player such as yourself without any tech. Just goes to show how next level he was at the time.
That first Borp game win vs him was insane 🔥
Especially when he won the set and hit Toph with his classic line “It’s Borpin’ time!”
Truly one of the melee players ever
LMAO NOOOO
@@LordOxMoose and then he tipped his hat and rode hbox out of the venue. incredible
Toph is easy money. What are you tslking about....
He doesnt wavedash? He only edgeguards from the stage? Borp was just an ultimate player born in the wrong generation
Ultimate players do wavedash, it just doesn't do much if anything. They want to but the game doesn't let them.
The amount of times I see people waveland on a platform just for the sake of it is crazy
Edit: wanted to share the use cases it does have though, but they're super situational
Proto used it at summit as a situational bait "I'm running and can't dash back, that means I'm committing. WRONG, have A wavedash back forward tilt for trying to punish me"
Sometimes it can be used to cancel initial dash and stay grounded, similar to the previous example since dashing is an actually commitment in ult.
Its usually a little faster to land on a platform with it.
Some charactera do just have bad ones though where even these don't apply.
Keep in mind most of this is from 1 player at a few tournaments. Very limited
@@kestrel7493 I absolutely love wave landing in Ult, it gets me killed sometimes but it's so fun to do lmao.
@@kevinfetters7040 pssst.. play melee
@@SufferDYT I do
@@kestrel7493 I used to be an ultimate player and I did that shit all the time, and the people I was playing were like "Oh what's this tech you're doing with the platforms? Oh that's really cool seems pretty good" Thankfully I have realized this was trash and also switched to melee
DaJuan Energy McDaniel shouting I'm Not Yelling and then having it become a dope tournament will always be hilarious to me. Iconic
It really was so damn great LOL
Been so long since ive seen that clip. Legendary honestly
One of my favorite melee clips is the handwarmer of the grand finals at MOAL 37 between PGH Carroll and Borp, where Borp wavedashes a couple of times during the handwarmer and PGH Carroll looks over at him like WTF and the commentators freak out.
Also, one of my favorite melee player facts is that Borp is the brother of Pannenkoek (of the Super Mario 64 A Button Challenge fame).
WAIT, HE'S PANEN'S BROTHER?
@@Claudia-km9lo Yep! I saw someone make a joke about something like "I guess pressing as few buttons as possible runs in the family"
ruclips.net/video/hxl6F7vXC6o/видео.html this will never not be funny
@@dr_ill True, but also they couldn't be any less alike insofar as one of them uses the simplest possible videogame strategy whereas the other's videogame strats are so needlessly complex that you have to begin to question his sanity
@@matty3501 You're right, Borp's strats ARE so complex that it makes me question his sanity! :)
Toph opening the gates for every random person to walk up and say he lost to borp
A brave soul indeed
Damn Toph's a legend, he managed to beat Borp that one time
One of the craziest upsets of all time tbh, shame it's so unknown
@@BHox01 Take your meds, schizos. Everyone knows Borp won that set.
kinda crazy how good borp is. he beat toph who was a fox that was kind of ahead of his time
Genuinely thought Borp won this set even though I watched it live
should be replayed imo
damn borp's sick. didn't he beat you that one time?
HELP
It's ok Toph we still think you are amazing even though you lost to Borp 2-0
NMW vs HMW what a beautiful matchup
NorCal represent
Man hearing all these old players and tournament names makes me nostalgic, thanks for sticking around the community toph you're a legend
"should we for real commentate this one?"
"i mean we can, but im fucken lazy"
Bro. WTF. I remember watching this set in 2017 when I started watching Melee. I legit thought Borp beat you, even til today. That's a crazy Mandela Effect.
I just love how Toph keeps being impressed by himself. I play a low-tech Sheik so I also love borp.
Learn how to do tech skill. Trust me it'll make improving so much easier, and you'll hit a wall pretty quickly without it. Especially in this day and age just watching the borp set like virtually none of the stuff he was doing would work today imo, unless your only goal in the game is to be the best in your friend group or maybe take a game off of 0-2 scrubs.
I imagine the "no techskill God" borp highlight video probably helped cause a lot of the misconceptions with borp by only showing him at his best.
and like. fr borp is sick. he's just. not as good as people kinda want him to be, "no techskill" is just such a cool and goofy underdog story, and we sorta forged a mythology around that.
I think some of the confusion also comes cause of that toph vs m2k Roy set a while ago, somehow
Fun fact: Borp’s brother is the super Mario 64 player Pannenkoek2012, aka the 0.5 A presses guy. I guess playing video games in unique ways runs in the family.
I am LOVING these vids (and also miss the foundry)
when did the foundry weeklies stop?
We need a Toph/Green Ranger video
“HOW DO YOU NOT TECH THAT IT’S GOT A MILLION VIEWS”
toph been watching you commentate melee for years, we actually met at the foundry once in 2017, first video that i've ever been recommended from you, insta subscribe, keep on keeping on my man, much love
Toph's new nickname is officially "lost to Borp"
I lived outside of pit for like 11 months so I went to a couple of the pgh weeklies. The first one I went to I played my first game against borp and was told "Really the only thing I can say about Borp is he is going to destroy you and you aren't going to know what happened." He was right. Mans was the captain of the chess club or something like that and he definitely played like it.
LOL it looks so frustrating to play against. You’re trying to play and somehow none of your normal stuff even hits him lol
That was sick when Borp beat him.
i learned that ctrl w closes a tab from this vid, thanks toph
I'm a massive Toph fan after you started streaming/posting youtube vids (I miss the TOPH and Scar show) and I definitely got Mandela'd despite watching this set and most of BH4 LIVE. I'm so sorry Toph, you deserve better.
PS yes your movement was clean af and idk why people always clowned on you with no backing
Wait this is actually crazy. I do kinda remember this set as a borp win holy moly
BLESSED to have daily tophtent hitting my inbox rn, absolute juggernaut of the melee community
Cant believe Toph lost to Borp, would like to see him go over the set maybe one day, he got that crazy up-smash on Toph right away, Borp's nuts
You may have won the set but Borp won our hearts. and THAT is the victory everyone keeps talking about.
referring to that legendary marth set at the end, i always have to go back and watch it like every couple of months. It's so goooood
didnt watch the video but this reminds me of when Borp beat Toph! It's so cool to see toph posted about it despite it being a sore spot in his career.
people are probably mixing up the green ranger set where you got battlefielded at the end with borp lol
my takeaway from this video is that borp beat toph
I’m from Indiana and I remember borp and the lake beat most of our good players right in a row except rik if anyone knows who rik is they both still gave him a run for his money, this was at big house 4
Bro really made a whole video to take borp down again; remind everyone that he beat borp clean. That's crazy. Keep it goin Toph genuinely love your commentary G
That body pillow on his shelf gave me a good chuckle
That is impressive. Borp beat Toph and Toph still is not aware of that.
I never going to forget it.
Toph hasn't aged a day
New title: Was I goated with the fox movement!?
Borp is actually from the distant future, he was sucked back in time in a space voyage gone wrong. He loved competitive melee, but he felt it unfair that his futuristic understanding of the game gave him an advantage, so he voluntarily handicaps himself to maintain the state of the game.
In reference to he's like a glitchless speedrunner comment around 12 minutes, he's actually the brother of the guy who made the half a press watch for rolling rocks video, so a lot more accurate of a statement than you may think lol
edit: check out borp's last yt video, he has a link to his philosophy "book" in the comments, it's super solid
Up-smash at low-mid percents is my favorite anti air, I used to be pretty solid at utilizing the invincible torso to space around moves. If it trades you can get some crazy follow-ups.
WHAT it has invincibility?? How have I not known this
so happy to hear dajuans “IM NOT YELLING”
miss that guy and idek him man
This is like Street Fighter players quoting Daigo as beating JWong for EVO Moment 37, even though JWong still took the set in that tournament
I love this set wtf
When are you gonna review Tafo vs Tian?
Did you already do that on this channel?
"I wanna give you some advice... QUIT BRO QUIT!"
All these little stories are very interesting
One of the best parts of Toph/Scar commentary.
I have “no I didn’t” running thru my head now god nick’s so fucking funny
4:13 why does samus have kirbys icons?
Fr
It's an exit glitch where you hold down B to go back at the CSS while hovering over another character and selecting them or something. You can also see it happen with light blue Yoshi stock icons fairly often.
Just search "Melee stock glitch" and you'll find it lol.
It was pretty popular back in like 2014-2016, relatively speaking.
BORP! the actual GOAT! if he ever got serious and used tech, he could just reverse his tag, then he'd be a prob
Nice.
doesn’t matter what it looks like, good melee is good melee
even from across the sea, hopping into the foundry stream was always such a fun community experience
I miss The Foundry streams! It was always so sick seeing people visit during majors.
Amazing match, borp once again 2/0’s a top player. Fantastic!
it's insanely true. I tried to remember how this sent went before finishing the video and all I remembered was the moment where you gave him credit for the upsmash, and that just creates this air that borp won the set. makes me wonder aboure more Mandela effects in melee 🤔
I dont know how you edited the video to make it look like you won but thats some real high quality edit!
loving these uploads toph
Clearly this calls for a rematch
Hey, didn't borp beat you that one time though?
Borp is like a gatekeeper. If you cant beat Borp, you got no shot being a melee guy
Top players like Toph are amazing, using these obsolete tech skill techniques to beat gods like Borp
Borp is such a fun name to say or yell
I think the number 1 way to get people to ask you if borp beat you is to make a video specifically asking people not to ask it.
New bucket list item: Ask toph about the time borp beat him
You should do a vid on you vs green ranger at bh3. Reverse mandella effect, I thought u won that set but that has to be the saddest toph I've ever seen. 😢
Then he can do a vid on the time Borp beat green ranger and complete the cycle
I started out playing with in 2016 and the room mate who got me into it told me I look like I played like borp because sheik was my first character and I knew nothing about melee tech. I said who is that and he said a sheik player who took a set off toph . I then said who is that
Fun fact: Pannenkoek2012, the SM64 parallel universes guy, is Borp's brother
Borp is a legend. He's proof that not everyone is a sweaty button masher.
(I don't think people are sweaty button mashers, I'm more talking about ultimate players that think that)
Wait Borp didn't beat you at the TBH4? I could've sworn he did
What if you rewatched the set just to see you actually did lose. The ultimate Mandela effect
smh can't believe Toph would try to gaslight us like this and rewrite Smash history.
fun fact: borp's brother is pannenkoek, of mario 64 a button challenge fame!
yo is the foundry still hosting events and stuff? i haven’t been there since my crew battle for Smash 4 yearssssss ago
Toph makes great content geez, imagine watching a tier list over this shit
How have you not seen the video, it has like a millions views...
I got mandela effected, I knew you won but I thought it went last game for sure.
"borp beat toph and chillin beat leffen" - straaak from chat
It was definitely the mr. pickle borp highlight video with 650k views that caused this
Wow, great showing by Borp to beat Tafo like that
Man, I wish you've make this video in the first half of 2019 so I could've asked you jokingly "hey didn't Borp beat you?" when I met you and asked for a picture lmao
I cant find any confirmation but toph do you know if borp has tried smash 4 or ultimate?
14:56 was nutty
Since Alex19s name is at the bottom does anyone know what happened to him? Did he get cancelled?
ctrl w....learned something new
Keep up the content Toph!
I'm loving the daily content
@youtube comments: it is now our duty to go to majors and ask if Toph lost to Rishi's DK
now people are going to say you lost as a joke
This dude talking about his vanilla Fox plays and im just here for Borp.
Borp’s too good for techs, he’d probably be the best player if he wavedashed only once in every match
Isn’t this the guy that lost to Borp that one time?
Wait I didn’t realize that borp didn’t even L-cancel wtf
it was really close tho, you are trully overpowering him just on tech.
You studies for Borp...? Yeah, he still definitely won in my book XD
Go in Toph's twitch right now and ask him, "Didn't Borp beat you that one time?"
14:30 that’s the mang0
What if borp was a nintendo industry plant
Respect to Borp
Borp has great neutral
Bro I want to know what happens next bro