I remember at MLG Anaheim, M2K was sitting at a set up asking any and all random fox’s he could find to up air him while he shielded on platform so he could practice shield dropping, and failed most of the time. Crazy how different it was then compared to now
Really liked this video a lot. I think there is so much space for content like this. People, myself included, really enjoy stories and with the characters we have in this scene, this kind of content has real potential to be huge. The docs are great and all, but more unheard stories like this are so entertaining. More of this!
10:22 Onward, what you started describing here was how I felt about Marth once Zain started getting good. It was like: "Oh, I guess this guy is gonna be the one to show the world all of the stuff this character can do that nobody else knows about...ok." It definitely kinda killed my motivation to improve a lot. I think it is still a weird way to think about it, but I definitely understand it.
I think I know what Sinji was trying to ask! If you shine somebody and JC upsmash without waveshining you can sometimes hit both the shine and the upsmash, based on your momentum and their traction. I bet he thought there was one frame of leniency to hit both, which might be the case in some situations.
Yo Toph, I have an idea for your Twitter Takedowns. There's this podcast called Reply All that has this hilarious segment called "Yes Yes No" in which the co-hosts' boss shows them a tweet that he doesn't understand at all. The tweet will often be layered with obscure references and memes, and it's up to the co-hosts to fully decipher it for their clueless boss. This usually involves peeling back layers of context to the references, which I think you are a master of. In the context of Melee, I think it would be fun to have you and another knowledgeable guest try to explain Melee tweets that make little sense to people who are not as involved in Melee/out of the loop (e.g. Scar).
I remember Syrox came to a socal local a few years back and played the most spazzed out fox we had ever seen. He had that energy of being a badass / cool fox player. I think there are still a lot of ppl like that out there, even if the top foxes rn have differing energies / attitudes
I sat down at a setup at the esports arena in Santa Ana and druggedfox approached me to join in. A few matches in, Syrox asks to hop into the rotation as well. Syrox proceeded to body me with his icies.
I remember seeing how much Bones0 posted on the boards and never seeing recordings of him playing. He said this past year that he finally figured out that he should be looking at the other player rather than himself, and he almost instantly started getting results. Hilarious haha
Would be interested to hear what folks have to say regarding Malcom Gladwell (discussion starts around 15:44) since almost no further details or context were given in this vod from Toph or Twitch chat (understandably so since the video is about Fox). There's no lead on why Toph suggests skeptcisim, but there's some context for venus's position. I dug into "look up 'Malcom Gladwell cigarettes'" (suggestion from twitch chatter venus_ssbm @ 16:22) and found plenty of misinformation about the topic. I recommend doing your own research fellow internet strangers, but here's my TL;DR: *people don't read enough & misinformation spreads fast online* Here's my expanded TL;DR Malcom had early, indirect ties to the tobacco industry in the early (and I mean EARLY, we're talking 80s/early 90s) part of his career when he was politically conservative. That coupled with an easily misunderstood writing piece about tobacco and social security make for an easy "omg u corrupt" misunderstanding that still follows him despite his openly liberal views and subsequent pieces decrying "Big Tobacco."
lol, it's weird. I joined the scene in 2006 playing fox, and for some reason I've always thought I joined the scene late. That, and I've never been able to immerse myself in competitive smash for long stretches of time. I'm amazed some people can continue to play this game for years while building their own career outside of melee.
I think Armada did float Looking at the way he moves perfectly horizontal for a few frames before immediately dropping to move to ledge. Either way, Mang0 read the shit out of it💖
Yeah the first time a Fox won a major in that era was when Mango had his losers run at Zenith 2013. It was the first time a fox won in over half a decade, and he played fox in only like 4 sets (after he got sent to losers by uhhhh, M2K I think) Not only that, but hella people immediately started complaining about fox and discrediting the character (mostly smashboards posts)
Never played melee a day in my life but I’ve been watching the scene since salty suite 2014 lol. How did you get into commentating and when/how did you meet Scar?
shit that keeps me grinding fox everyday. so fun and amazing to see progress with new tech. great vid toph keeps me grinding baby! hopefully play some friendlys soon!
I really liked the video but I would've liked to see more of the melee timeline for fox. This video didn't tell me much about pte 2007 or post smashboards fox
Sick vid. Laser weaving is where you shdl, but you drift backwards, then double laser drifting forwards. And repeat. Mix shines in-between the landings for extra swag. Example here: ruclips.net/video/huGnwHgKWYo/видео.html#t=2m35s
Who knew 20 years of Fox development could be undone by Marth (Zain) just being better. Imagine if Fox players quit back then because PPMD was just better. Fox players shouldn't give up. Much like in the past there's a reason Fox is at the top. Go out there and find it!
Some things are always true in this game but somebody comes along and changes your opinion on it. I've gotten better at not caring so much whatever the narrative is about this or that character. Too many examples to challenge what you think you know and the times always change eventually and then it's all up for debate again.
...so you intend to tell me that after 10 minutes of establishing context for this topic... you’re just gonna... casually name drop one of the most legendary games in melee... AND TIE IN IT TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT LIKE IT’S NOTHING??? Man that is so sick.
"It all started when a player named chillindude829 wavedashed back and up-smashed Ken on FD."
pro trick: watch series at flixzone. Been using them for watching all kinds of movies recently.
@Alexis Benson Definitely, been watching on flixzone for months myself :D
@@alexisbenson9951 bruh
@@controlalldelete Those are bots
@@plumebrisee6206 i know
I'd love to see one of these on other characters like Marth, Falco, etc. too. This video was sick!
You could have guests for the characters you aren't as familiar with!
@@CreamyPesto505 like Yoshi!
PPMD could contribute a lot if they did one for Marth/Falco given how much time he's spent on those boards.
Fr this would be awesome
@@CreamyPesto505 you
I've always wanted to hear a vet talk about old smashboards stories
A long ass toph vid to start my shift to??? Lets go
YOOOOOOO SAME
The stuff about Sinji had me ROLLING
I started playing in 2009. This video hit me so hard in the feels. I love your content because we lived through the same melee era. Thank you
I remember at MLG Anaheim, M2K was sitting at a set up asking any and all random fox’s he could find to up air him while he shielded on platform so he could practice shield dropping, and failed most of the time. Crazy how different it was then compared to now
Also at 22:50, I proved to KK that day that Sheik could grab fox's max range d-tilt with shield DI in
So it wasn't misinformation
lmaooo tell him
Lmaooo
Really liked this video a lot. I think there is so much space for content like this. People, myself included, really enjoy stories and with the characters we have in this scene, this kind of content has real potential to be huge. The docs are great and all, but more unheard stories like this are so entertaining. More of this!
10:22 Onward, what you started describing here was how I felt about Marth once Zain started getting good. It was like:
"Oh, I guess this guy is gonna be the one to show the world all of the stuff this character can do that nobody else knows about...ok." It definitely kinda killed my motivation to improve a lot. I think it is still a weird way to think about it, but I definitely understand it.
I think I know what Sinji was trying to ask! If you shine somebody and JC upsmash without waveshining you can sometimes hit both the shine and the upsmash, based on your momentum and their traction. I bet he thought there was one frame of leniency to hit both, which might be the case in some situations.
The story of Bones being a late bloomer legitimately gives me hope ;)
Yo Toph, I have an idea for your Twitter Takedowns. There's this podcast called Reply All that has this hilarious segment called "Yes Yes No" in which the co-hosts' boss shows them a tweet that he doesn't understand at all. The tweet will often be layered with obscure references and memes, and it's up to the co-hosts to fully decipher it for their clueless boss. This usually involves peeling back layers of context to the references, which I think you are a master of. In the context of Melee, I think it would be fun to have you and another knowledgeable guest try to explain Melee tweets that make little sense to people who are not as involved in Melee/out of the loop (e.g. Scar).
Totally agree, love reply all
Glad to be coming home from night shift to a new Toph video. Puts a smile on my face
Take a sip every time toph fixes his hair
...where am I
what happened
Or twitches his head forward
@@lazarbro I wonder why he does that
I remember Syrox came to a socal local a few years back and played the most spazzed out fox we had ever seen. He had that energy of being a badass / cool fox player. I think there are still a lot of ppl like that out there, even if the top foxes rn have differing energies / attitudes
I sat down at a setup at the esports arena in Santa Ana and druggedfox approached me to join in. A few matches in, Syrox asks to hop into the rotation as well. Syrox proceeded to body me with his icies.
this is cool as someone with limited knowlege on this game's history, keep up the quality content Toph
19:30
I can just imagine someone like " yo Mango you lost lol, I got dibs on winner, so let me play next with Armada"
As someone who got into Smash post-Smashboards days, it's so interesting to see the discourse and narratives that started there.
loved it, i wanna see more of that content. maybe a community history or a toph history etc. keep it coming!!
I remember seeing how much Bones0 posted on the boards and never seeing recordings of him playing. He said this past year that he finally figured out that he should be looking at the other player rather than himself, and he almost instantly started getting results. Hilarious haha
Omg! I finally started trying this after hearing Cody talk about it.
@@FirePuff12 Fire Puff Twelve
Would be interested to hear what folks have to say regarding Malcom Gladwell (discussion starts around 15:44) since almost no further details or context were given in this vod from Toph or Twitch chat (understandably so since the video is about Fox). There's no lead on why Toph suggests skeptcisim, but there's some context for venus's position. I dug into "look up 'Malcom Gladwell cigarettes'" (suggestion from twitch chatter venus_ssbm @ 16:22) and found plenty of misinformation about the topic. I recommend doing your own research fellow internet strangers, but here's my TL;DR:
*people don't read enough & misinformation spreads fast online*
Here's my expanded TL;DR
Malcom had early, indirect ties to the tobacco industry in the early (and I mean EARLY, we're talking 80s/early 90s) part of his career when he was politically conservative. That coupled with an easily misunderstood writing piece about tobacco and social security make for an easy "omg u corrupt" misunderstanding that still follows him despite his openly liberal views and subsequent pieces decrying "Big Tobacco."
This was hilarious, I miss smashboards. I joined around 2013 and loved all those posts PP made in the marth boards
Toph is doing Melee history ahhhhhhh I'm so excited
I've been wanting videos like these for ages, thanks heaps Toph
21:16
That guy is from Baulder's Gate.
His name is Minsk.
Long video just talking about Melee history. Great shit Toph!
bro keep it all, all these new videos are fucking great, all the topics are interesting for new and older players
this was a really fun video, loved watching
Awesome discussion of melee history. Great content.
lol, it's weird. I joined the scene in 2006 playing fox, and for some reason I've always thought I joined the scene late. That, and I've never been able to immerse myself in competitive smash for long stretches of time. I'm amazed some people can continue to play this game for years while building their own career outside of melee.
I wasn’t expecting to like this video as much as I did
"Great [Video] Toph! Really Interesting Stuff!"
The first thing that comes to mind when I think of Fox is “sweaty” in a good way
I could listen to old school SmashBoards stories forever.
No cap this is a really good video
Got so hype when I saw this notif, I know this gonna be a banger
And here’s me thinking this was going to be a history of Fox through the different games.
Different games? Never heard of em
Toph with another amazing video!
THUMBNAIL GAME STRONG AF
this was this leffen. not this leffen yet. this was this leffen.
Busted up laughing. I'm trying to stealth watch this at work TOPH! Come on man! :D
Mang0 was also in jailed in 2009 from smashboards.
I remember in 2009 2010 watching phanna short vids on shield dropping and other tech. There were a lot of these little tidbits scattered about
DA Sinji. Part of the deadly alliance crew. Dude's been here a whiiiiiiile
I think Armada did float
Looking at the way he moves perfectly horizontal for a few frames before immediately dropping to move to ledge.
Either way, Mang0 read the shit out of it💖
Yeah I was gonna point this out too. Armada looks like he gets a few frames of float but doesn’t float backwards so he gets hit out of it.
Yeah the first time a Fox won a major in that era was when Mango had his losers run at Zenith 2013. It was the first time a fox won in over half a decade, and he played fox in only like 4 sets (after he got sent to losers by uhhhh, M2K I think)
Not only that, but hella people immediately started complaining about fox and discrediting the character (mostly smashboards posts)
Never played melee a day in my life but I’ve been watching the scene since salty suite 2014 lol. How did you get into commentating and when/how did you meet Scar?
I noticed that to get around the SDI in the marth matchup sfat started doing back air into nair, then I see mango was doing it in 2009
It almost sounds ideal to want to revert Fox mains to believing in their characters potential and sucking it up but man the Falcos back then oml
100 likes and 0 dislikes that when you know the content is quality
More of these on other characters please toph!
What constitutes a fox player? Arthritis
What an original clever joke I've never heard before
21:18 it's minsk from baldurs gate
sup toph, I bet this is gonna be another sick vid
28:02 almost 10 years after I made that post and I'm still having the same issue
Babe, wake up, 40 minute Toph upload
shit that keeps me grinding fox everyday. so fun and amazing to see progress with new tech. great vid toph keeps me grinding baby! hopefully play some friendlys soon!
Sick video
Underrated
fast forward to today, solo fox #1
A history of Mangoes fox
I really liked the video but I would've liked to see more of the melee timeline for fox. This video didn't tell me much about pte 2007 or post smashboards fox
This was fun
pretty sure EWC's avatar is from Baldur's Gate, so yes it's from a DnD game
God I love this content
Shoutouts to the Harpuia avi
Hey Toph are you waiting for the Aggretsuko season 4 trailer like me?
11:40 we missed out on prime toph?
Haha shout out to Brookman, I saw him in those threads.
Is he not talking about doing frame-perfect shine JC upsmash?
Look at Sinji's profile picture headphones... he's the #2 what again? Coincident I think not
So a 2008-2013 history, huh
I love to learn the history of the character I play
I think shine > upsmash with one frame is supposed to mean, like, a frame perfect shine jc upsmash? Maybe? Lol
Unknown is Ryan Ford, right?
Yeah
lucky beat PP at pound IV literally 2 years before that lol
Yo nice Harpuia avatar on Smashboards.
Why is Toph the best?
and we wore and onion on our belts, as was the style at the time
Pog new video
I gotta realize
Mango Neo! Red Fox IS melee
does toph coach?
Fox players perfectly transitioned from bitching about puff to bitching about marth. Sick.
With the uniqlo shirt
Did we ever figure out what Sinji meant?
Comment for the algorithm, appreciate the content :P
Sick vid. Laser weaving is where you shdl, but you drift backwards, then double laser drifting forwards. And repeat. Mix shines in-between the landings for extra swag.
Example here: ruclips.net/video/huGnwHgKWYo/видео.html#t=2m35s
Honestly a Hallmark of early melee is giving a name to everything
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This video made me feel better about my $#¡+y Melee content. It takes a beginer to be a pro player... sinji Ow O
Who knew 20 years of Fox development could be undone by Marth (Zain) just being better. Imagine if Fox players quit back then because PPMD was just better. Fox players shouldn't give up. Much like in the past there's a reason Fox is at the top. Go out there and find it!
banger
Some things are always true in this game but somebody comes along and changes your opinion on it. I've gotten better at not caring so much whatever the narrative is about this or that character. Too many examples to challenge what you think you know and the times always change eventually and then it's all up for debate again.
fox used to be sooo cool. what happened?
FALCO LASERS ARE USELSS YEP!!!
Oh. A history of smash Fox....this has never been done before...
Less of a history of fox, more of a "back in my day...."
Hello there
Algo
...so you intend to tell me that after 10 minutes of establishing context for this topic... you’re just gonna... casually name drop one of the most legendary games in melee... AND TIE IN IT TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT LIKE IT’S NOTHING??? Man that is so sick.