I went to the thrift store the other day and found a Presto 16 qt canner new in the box for 20$. I was so excited. I gifted it my neighbor who has started gardening and canning last year and had to borrow mine or our friends canners. While we didn’t mind, it is still so much better for her to have her own. She was in tears and so therefore I was too. It blessed the both of us. I have also found them along with jars, iron skillets, and the real bundt pans at estate sales. I like to think of carrying on the homestead traditions with our younger generation.
Lorri Johnson wow! What a score!! Thrift stores are such a fun resource and you just never know what treasures will be there for you or someone you know. Nice!!
Thank you. One thing I have learned, though it may sound corny and old fashioned, is you can never give too much love away. It’s like creativity, the more you use it, the more you have. I don’t tell my stories to get kiddos. What I get in return seems to me the greater gift. Told you it would sound corny. Lol Just speaking truth though.
Fowlers Vacola use a system with glass jars and lids, metal rings and separate rubber seals. The rubber seals can be re-used multiple times, and the glass lids last indefinitely. I have also successfully used standard supermarket jars left over from purchased jams and sauces for many years without any failures. I wouldn't recomend them for meat products, but they are certainly fine for jams, jellies, fruits, sauces, chutneys etc. You can check for a good seal as the 'dent' in the middle of the lid pops back down as the contents cool (both audibly and visibly!) and any you may possibly be concerned about can be used first. However I haven't had a problem in the last 20 years.
I was so blessed when I was expecting my sons ! Many moms gave us their outgrown son's clothing, and I sorted and folded and packed enough clothing to last 8 years.....for my boys. I was relieved to NOT have to except underwear size 3 ! Our huge closet was stacked, in order, almost to the ceiling. Most of the other moms in church had their babies years before my 'deliveries' and we were the thankful beneficiaries !!!
For some reason the 'air' yanked out a sentence..... It was = "I was relieved to NOT have to shop, except for shoes. We labeled all the boxes = summer shirts size 5, dress pants size 4, t shirts size 3 ! AND we were given several dozen diapers as gifts ! " Sorry - don't know why it excludes !!
I tested re-using 2 piece metal lids 10 years ago to determine if and how many times the flat metal lid could be re-used. To do this, I heated the lids in hot (just below boiling) water, filled 9 regular mouth Pint jars with water (1/2" headspace) and canned them at 15 psi for 1 hour (standard 10 minute steam vent, bring to weight jiggle, start timing). After removing the jars from the pressure canner I allowed 12 hours for them to stabilize and then carefully checked the seals and carefully removed the lids with a can bottle opener so as not to bend the metal lids or deform the edge. I repeated until I saw the first seal failure, which was at Cycle Number 10. I backed that off to 8 cycles to reduce the number of seal failures to near zero during regular use. This technique of course requires that you be careful not to bend the lid in the middle or around the sealing edge and that you mark the lids to keep track of how many times you've re-used them. I haven't seen anyone of RUclips do any actual testing and show the results - perhaps you'd like to? I'm a single test point and would be interested to see if you got the same results. Thanks for the great videos!
Cool! That is a lot of effort..Thank you! Some of my flat metal lids have multiple dates on them as well..some are older than 3+years too. The key is to ensure they are not nicked or bent. When I use a knife or the bottom side of a jar lid for opening a jar I use my other hand as a fulcrom to pry UP on the canning lid...I have never bent a lid! Makes me cringe to see people use a bottle opener to open jars.
I have reused lids from jellies and pickles that have only needed to be water bathed for 10 minutes. Thankfully, they have all sealed when used a second or third time.
I reuse as many times as I need. I have started using the Harvest Guard reusable rubber seals along with the reused metal lids. I always open with a spoon to make sure that I don't bend or warp the edge of the lids.
You are a rock star! Thank you for taking so much time and effort! As a new canner, scared and lost a bit, your post showed so much clarity on the subject. It made me realize? I can do this!
Local supplies are still available...just like you said. When I was at the Amish store (1 1/2 hrs away) the subject of lids came up and an Amish woman overheard and said she had lids at her little country store. So I was able to get a sleeve. She had bagged up others and I did not buy them all so someone else could get some.
To open a lid with out damage....Take a table knife, put on top of lid, now apply the can opener on knife, instead of lid, and open. The knife is preventing direct contact with lid.
I never see the technique of using the band to open a sealed lid. Done by using the rolled edge side of the band on the edge of the lid and push up. I only use this method and it works just fine, does not damage lid and is easy to do.
@@KittyF54 Then why not start designing and manufacturing REUSABLE LIDS inside America and ON AMERICAN SOIL?! And exceeding international standards by several times so that they can INDEFINITELY REUSABLE. Non-biodegradble and non-ablating silicone-silicon rubber-plastic polymer seals are already available inside Russia and being non-biodegradable means THEY WILL NOT LEACH INTO YOUR FOODS regardless whether they are extremely acidic or alkaline and processed at a much higher pressures and temperatures. And no thanks to American sanctions, we cannot export such indefinitely reusable food grade seals and metal lids to America. SORRY!
Yes, I have always tried to have food put by enough to last until next harvest. As the child of a depression baby, I do not have faith that the trucks will always show up at the local Walmart.
Harvest Guard & Tattler reusable canning lids and rubber rings are safe, economic and available. They are both US made and I have been using this type of lid for nearly 15 yrs. They are easy to use and only vary slightly from the common process with metal flats. And they use the same metal bands that come with your ball style jars. Online ordering is presently not being halted and these have a life time warranty on the lid the rubber rings last several sessions. If you have trouble getting metal lids I would get these. Also try ordering Italian, german and British canning jars . Kilner, Weck, Leifert, ecetera. They are the same standard mason jar mouths in reg or widemouth.
Last week I found 7 boxes of wide mouth lids at fred meyer's. I did the happy dance right there in the aisle! I had narrow mouth lids but no wide ones. Have alot of wide mouth pint jars. Now I have lids for some of them. Told my hubby when we found them. See it doesnt take much to make me extremely happy!
I found a brand new in the box American canner at a resale store for$50 and I bought it immediately to gift to someone who needed a canner and could not afford to buy one.
Took me 4-1/2 months to get my All American Pressure Canner because of all the orders. Been finding 1 to 3 boxes of jars at a time and always check and buy if I find. Found at Smith's (Krogers), and Wal-Mart. At Wal-Mart if they are out have an isle employee check on their scanner when the next shipment will be coming. Gives a bit of an advantage.
I've been using recycled spaghetti jars etc for years for preserving. As long as the original lids are dent free and the inside surface isn't scratched they seal well and the produce (jams, pickles, relish and sauces) have lasted well for years. For the recycled jars, I wash the jars and lids thoroughly, heat my jars up in the oven, put the hot jam or sauce in the hot jar, place the lids on tightly and as they cool down the button on the lid pops down giving a perfect seal. For water bath canning I use fowlers jars, because that's all that was available, or so I thought. This year I heard about pressure canning and began my journey with this new way of preserving. I always wondered why no one seemed to use recycled jars in America, (I'm in Australia btw) but I faithfully went out and bought all the proper ball canning jars and lids and a Presto canner and I've had a great time (I can't wait for my garden to get into full production). It's been a lot of fun canning meat, soups and stews but I'm not sure I would have had the courage to try my recycled jars in the pressure canner. When my garden gives me the usual glut of beans I'm going to give it a try. As you said, what's the worst that could happen? I could break a few jars and lose a few beans. Some of my recycled jars are quite sturdy so I could win too. I guess I am fortunate that pressure canning is not that well known in Australia yet so I have been able to get a good supply, I'm glad I got in early, but now supplies are getting short here too. Thanks for the great info in your pantry chats, I've learned a lot from you guys.
G'day to another Aussie 🇭🇲🦘🦘🇭🇲 As soon as you said Fowler's, I knew you were down under 😂 Hard to get the Fowler's lids/rings/clips at the moment, and they're pretty expensive. Just ordered a canner, so new experiences coming up. Have a great day from Sthn NSW 🇭🇲🦘🦘🙏🦘🦘🇭🇲
@@aussieauntynette6892 Good onya for expanding your preserving knowledge. I have learned so much from our USA friends and have had so much fun these past years. I haven't wasted any of my produce grown and my pantry shelves are groaning! I've been sharing what I've learned with some of the young mums in our church and they are getting excited too. The word is spreading. I think the more we can be as self sufficient as possible the better off we will be. You're right about the expense of equipment at the moment but once we have the basics then it's just the lids for ball jars and rings for the fowlers. Enjoy your journey, regards from S.A x
We’re canning a lot of meat; deer, beef, and chicken. I went to Kroger’s the other day and they had stacks and stacks of jars. I purchased 8 cases of wide mouth quarts for $14.99 each. A little more expensive than this time last year, but I was happy to get them.
I worked as QC/QA at a food plant. They us a "retort" which is a giant pressure cooker. When power would go out, we would still monitor pressure, and if dropped low enough, would follow same rules as home canning. That's including metal can canning.
I live in NY. Never would imagine this is was a reality. I started educating myself in homesteading. I rent but have a big yard. I have my seeds for next year. I plan to make this a lifestyle change. My hardware store ordered me canning supplies but not sure when they arrive.
In Europe we only have 1 part lids lol, they work great for canning. They are very easy to use and very safe and I have had to reuse them and have worked fine. As long as they are not damaged they work fine 🙂
Don’t you mean waterbathing? I’m also in Europe and for canning stuff is hard to get here, or do you know another option than ordering from Amerika? Trying to find out which 1 part lids Carolynn is even talking about. I have everything from the mark ‘Weck’. I think it’s a German brand.
Just FYI, I had ordered Tattler lids for the first time because the regular metal lids were gone. I waited about 6 weeks to get them but they finally did arrive. So perhaps, if canning for anyone can wait a bit, then Tattler did finally come through for me. Good luck everyone, and THANKS for the great advise here on your channel!
@@MotherClucker1 I am practicing with them canning water when I have spare room in my canner. I am going to use them for water bath canning on things that we use in high rotation . I will still hunt for Ball lids for my pressure canning.
I have found them at Walmart and Winn Dixie. I never thought about hardware stores. Thanks. I would NEVER use CHINESE jars and lids. They have put too many ingredients in our products that have caused harm to us.
I am on canner load #4 of chili for the winter. All in 1/2 pint jars. 3 loads yesterday and processing the last one right now. I always get my gardening supplies and canning supplies in the winter every year.
Word of mouth is really a good idea. I tell everyone that I'm really getting into canning and my daughter-in-law's mother just gave me 2 boxes of canning jars and rims she had in her garage that she meant to throw away. She also mentioned that she has a friend who wants to get rid of jars. Bring them all my way! I'll gladly take them! Like I said I'm just in the beginning stages, but I know I have several hundreds of jars now and just have to make sure I keep a steady supply of new lids (and continue collecting jars ;))
At my walmart on nov 7 ( sw missouri) and found pint and quart jars. Got 5 case pint and 1 of quart.....felt like i was walking around store with gold mine in my cart.
My grandmother always used baby food jars to process her freezer jam. Because it freed up the ball jars for things that she had to process a non freezer way. I always remember that when I start running low on jars or pantry space. Some things can be moved from pantry to freezer or the other way around, as long as you think it through from the start.
I hear that Ball company has increased their production of lids and will be getting them out into the big box stores. Also I found I gained about 2 doz new, not processed last lids by just replacing lids/rings with the plastic covers on jars that don’t need lids/rings. It was great, I felt like I had found a magic stash of lids.
I bought plastic lids online last year. Ball lids are expensive but far better quality and the made in China are not fitting on as well, especially the wide mouth. Funny how people don't return your jars (grrr) especially wgen it is requested. I reuse my lids for everyday use, they are marked from previous use. I vacume sealed dehydrated foods tgis year. I also buy my tomatoe sauce and such in glass jars, they keep longer and I will reuse them for dried goods or pickled or jams. Use these first.
I am from France, and over here, one-piece lids are commonly used for preservation, with no problems. I actually discovered 2-piece lids while watching your videos, before that, I only knew of rubber seals and one-piece lids ;)
I have re used spaghetti sauce jars, mayonnaise jars or other glass jars for water bath canning for just to have something put up for just a couple of months, but I've never pressure canned with them. I've never heard of the single reusable lids, but I've been thinking about trying tattler lids, as they are reusable. I reuse my lids only on dry seals. Like dry beans, rice, powdered milk etc. With an oxygenator in the jar, It works well. I hate that they stopped making pint and a half wide mouth jars! Those were perfect for most of my canning needs! Except for my jelly and jam jars. I love making jellies and jams! Thank u for the info! ❤👍
Thank you! Thank you! I was so excited to hear this. I have been reusing lids for years due to cost and saving them from the dump. As you indicated I check them over carefully for nicks and bends and use them with very little failure. Some of the lids have dates of 3+ years. I do not however resuse them from jars that went through a pressure canning process...I think they would be fine, but I have not done so...yet. I have also started going back to the glass lid with rubber band (GEM jars) in the pressure canning and hot water bath process. Like tatler lids you do have to tighten them down when they come out of the canner, but no biggy, just be careful about burns and not to over tighten. The rubber band is reusable and if not, you only have a small rubber band to dispose of. As for the reuse of jars that came from the store with spaghetti sauce, jam, jelly, etc in them - for over 15 years I have been reusing these in the canning process, again, to save cost and saving a perfectly good jar from the dump. They work great! I have not had to use them in pressure canning yet (I manage jars to avoid) so I don't know how they will work, but I am sure I will at some point. I carefully check the lids for nicks, bends, rust, etc and if all is fine I treat them same as a normal canning lid and jar. As was mentioned though you want to make sure the canning time is good for the jar size - not a difficult task. I do soak my lids in hot water to soften the rubber a wee bit, but not sure this is necessary unless you are not putting through a canning process, such as for jam and jelly (I do not hot water bath the majority of my jam and jelly). I have accidently overtightened a lid while hot water bath canning and ended with a bulge in the lid but once it cooled, every one goes back to normal and seals and stores perfectly. I can honestly say that this pantry chat has made me feel so relieved - I always felt what I was doing was safe but could never find support....I just kept doing it as I knew it was working. Reusing the jars opens up a very large window of access when you think how many leave the stores - talk to your friends and families and before long you will be over run with jars waiting to be filled - I know I am. Thanks again for this Josh and Carolyn! Take care.
I have reused lids for years and years. I recondition the lids (that are in good shape) by scrubbing them with soap and water, boil for 10 minutes or bake for 15 minutes (for dry canning). Works very well for our family. Also you can open lids on jars with out damaging them by using the back of a butter knife. God bless and love from Ohio.
I have re-used commercial jars for years. If the canning lid and ring fit they can be used. It is an issue of the thread on the jar mouth. I also re-use jars with a grip top lid! I use them for water bathing ONLY, for jams... or pickles. As long as the lids fit and are in good condition they can be re-used multiple times. I make sure to inspect lids and jars carefully for nicks or dings or corrosion and have never had an issue!
Great video today. I am very disappointed with Amazon these days and am making concerted efforts to purchase elsewhere. Their lack of posting origin of product makes me crazy. I too, have seen reviews that don’t go with the product making it very misleading when looking at glance. How does that happen and why is it permitted. I am focusing on local purchases whenever possible. If that is not possible I try to purchase from another online vendor. Or go without.
This was fantastic. There is so much deception in the marketplace around canning and I see more and more of it the more I experiment on my own at home. Perhaps the reason the USDA and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency recommend against using one piece lid jars is because if we all figured out just how easy it is to make a big batch of your own marinara and can it on a Saturday afternoon we wouldn’t buy Ragu.
I own your canning class and would love to see you add a video one piece lids. I'm trying to minimize trash and recycle and this is thrilling. And of course saves money. 😁
Canning supplies disappeared with toilet paper around March & April. There is absolutely nothing county wide. I am using antique jars with bubbles. Purchased jars like pickles that pop when one opens them can be used in hot bath canning. I have wondered how much food will be in metal cans in the future. Would you believe farmers turned crops under in the Spring.
My local Asian store in Central AL has a great supply all the time of ball and Kerr just lids and the lids/rings in both sizes for reg price. I also snagged several boxes of ball lids/rings in Walmart curbside online for $3.78!!! I think they reg run $6.99. I ordered the 6 boxes shown available but only got 2 when I went to pick up. I also find jars at yard/estate sales all the time. If they have lids/rings with them, I’ll use the rings and only use the lids for vacuum sealing jars of dry goods.
Could you ever do a show about how people canned goods 130 years ago before the rubber seals were invented? Great show! Thanks for all of the good information!
The gulf wax bars from the grocery store say they are for canning. Dont know how you'd use them but there must have been a time that it was used before we stamped out metal lids with the gummed gaskets already on them!
The wax does not create a vacuum seal. It keeps air out. I only know about using it with jelly and jam. Lids are for vacuums, and wax would absolutely melt in the heat
I absolutely LOVE thrift stores! Found a $0.95 cent bread maker, and it works! Got a George Forman for $5.50, these prices sped up being able to have things that we thought we would save for the “one day”purchases. Luckily I got most of my canning supplies before the canning shortage. Thanks for the videos and info :)
We had that issue with the Chinese lids. Do not throw them out. Use them to store dry goods with a vacuum sealer in jars or for target practice.Lehman’s is now selling tattler lids and regular and wide mouth lids made by superb company made in Ohio. These new metal lids are better than Ball.
This was so helpful. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to teach us. You two are so good at this! Not only raising a beautiful family, homesteading in a real way, but TEACHING! We truly appreciate you. Blessings to you and your family.
I have to smile about the Mayo jars.. a friends daughter just bought a farm with a canning shed hundreds and hundreds of jars in there left behind. They gave me a lot of very old Mayo jars so funny how much bigger they were back then. I personally would not Can with them though a wide mouth lid does fit but for dry food storage they are perfect. Anna In Ohio.,
Excellent information and very timely! Thank you Carolyn and Josh! The other reason why manufacturer's have stipulations is because we live in a litigious society where many folks sue manufacturers and win large settlements even though those folks may have done something wrong in the processing. Common sense is not so common anymore and knowing the science and doing your testing is the best way to survive in this world we live in. Again, thank you for sharing!
I haven't heard about the 'tool' that takes lids off without damaging them which I found interesting & ty now I'm going to have to google lol but how I remove them is I take a butter knife & place it flat side against the jar. At the closest part of the thread to where the lid is sealed. Then slightly and lightly applying pressure upward. It doesn't damage the snap lids. I have reused my lids when I have started a project and realized I didn't have enough lids. I haven't had a 'failure'. I don't make a practice of it as I am too scared it won't work. I have learned new things today. Thank you for sharing your lives with us all. :)
Jas Townsend's has historical methods on his channel savoring the flavors and aromas of the 17 century just remember to never forget the kitchen spice and nutmeg
I found over 70 mason jars at thrift stores this fall, sometimes in batches of 10 or more, but I pick up every single stray jar I come across. This year, for the first time, I purchased re-useable lids and stocked up when I found a case of single-use lids at WalMart. Also I mistakenly bought lids from China and have been using them for dry storage of beans and rice, etc. because the food doesn't touch the lid.
In Australia we mostly use Fowlers Vacola jars. They are specifically preserving jars. They have a rubber ring around the rim, then the lid sits on, then a clip on top. You take the clip off after it has 'popped'. The rings will perish & lids do ding & some go rusty, so parts do need replacing. If you Google Fowlers Vacola you will see the whole kit.
I move 25 years ago with a big stash of canning lids. I could never find any bulk produce to can so I have been sitting on them. Moved recently and did a small victory garden late in the season. I managed to can up about 400 jars between tomatoes, beans and some pickles, etc that we purchased using those 25 year old lids. I have had 3 that didn't seal with obvious error on my part. I have not seen lids in NC for a year. I know they say to not use old ones but you don't have many options.
What a valuable discussion! Thank you so much for sharing your experience and research. I have a sink full of spaghetti sauce jars soaking to get the labels off while watching this and 20 pounds of blackberries in my freezer to jam. I think I may go that route!!! Thank you, and God bless!
When unsure and I’m in doubt about using a reused lid, I put those canning lids in a container to use for vacuum sealing dry goods. I’ve learned so much from you. Thank you!
we did the clothes switch when I was a kid. Every year before school started. Sweaters came out of the closet, coats exchanged hands, and shoes were checked for size, then they changed hands also!
I have refused my lids for YEARS without issues. Out of 100 reused lids I *might* have a failure rate of 3-5 out of 100, slightly more than if the lid is new. (If the lid fails I just use that item right away). I use them for waterbath and pressure canning, I just make sure the lid is not bent or dented. I use my nails or a spoon to break the seal. If the lid seal is getting older, I have seals for reusable (tattler lids) and it works awesome.
Its November 9th here, and yesterday it was 75. :) Winter has not arrived yet here. I consider it nature making up like a snow day for that late frost we had in the spring that hurt our early plants.
Hi! Thank you so much for sharing these things so much with us. Your canning harvest looks beautiful. I am a customer service director with a major cabinet company so cabinets always draw my attention. Not trying to stick my nose where it doesn’t belong, as a rule of thumb we suggest that any cabinets above 24” and has a great deal of weight to make sure to re enforce the bottom with a support strip. You probably have already done this but I always like to suggest. Again I have learned so much from you and again want to say thank you!
Hi there, I'm from Europe and I've been canning for over 2 years with NON Ball jars, and also with 1 piece lids ( sometimes reused lids) and using an ALL AMERICAN pressure canner, and, I had NO PROBLEM AT ALL. Only once I had a lid failure since I reused the same lid 4 times ( pressure canned all of the times), SO if you are having a hard time finding Caning supplies I can assure you that what carolyn says Is true. Thanks for sharing your knowledge .
Sure enough... as Josh predicted... it's October 2022 and I'm still having problems finding the canning supplies I need. Had to drive to the Amish country 2 states away to get quart wide mouth jars. Waited 2 months to get wide lids. $38 for 12 jars on Amazon. Walmart delivered a box of glass shards and just refunded instead of replacing them because they didn't have anymore. So... I found some in central PA at the Amish store for $19/dozen. Canning up last years frozen turkeys today! Made egg noodles this morning. Thank you guys... I'm always going back and referencing your older videos.
That would be amazing. I hate single use items. I reuse lids for things I'm not processing, like stuff I dehydrate or put in the fridge/freezer. But I would love to be able to reuse lids.
You can always try the reusable lids from either Harvest Guard or Tattler lids. It's a bit pricey upfront, but I figured I wanted something as a backup if we go through this again next year, so worth the price to me.
Regarding the jar/lid shortage, Ball posted a comment on their webpage several weeks ago that due to the high interest and increased demand on canning supplies, Ball is now restocking certain stores with jars and lids. This restocking is sporadic, and, with not be the same stock at each store. The stores that Ball is currently restocking are Wal-Mart, Target, Kroger, Ace Hardware, and, True Value. All of these stores previously were completely out. I have recently seen several cases of Ball and Kerr jars and lids in my local Wal-Mart. Others are reporting finding some supplies at Target. So, I would say for everyone to keep an eye out. Ball stated that due to the massive increase in demand for canning supplies this year, and, the effect of Covid on their manufacturing facilities, the company has not been able to meet the current demand. Thank-you for your very informative video today. You presented some great ideas and info. Blessings.
I tried water bath canning apricots, using Anchor Hocking pint jars for the first time over the summer. The majority of the lids warped, as you describe. And, one of the jars broke inside my kettle. Never happened before, using Ball or Kerr jars and lids.
I cannot believe my era didn’t continue canning and all!! I’m close to 60! Foods taste much better canned, than bought, it helps our kids and grandkids learn on survival ways, & to hunt, for healthy meats,, raise fresh cattle, poultry, etc. so many would be healthier also! I think it’s great to can, grow foods, hunt, it’s always relaxing, rewarding, much more healthier also. Thank you for all you share!
I am finding the supply of lids is extremely limited (found some once this fall), but in my area there’s a good supply of new jars with lids (see at least a few flats every store I shop each week). I think with reducing production they focused on the full set over the replacement lids.
I use both 1 piece lug lid jars, and 2 piece lids. 1 piece lids are much thicker, so can be used up to 10 times. Just remember they do take on flavours etc when re using. I bought in bulk, and got them in bulk for the UK equivalent of less than a buck per jar and lid in pint size. Not bad for 10 years worth of use. When it comes to store bought re used jars, they are also pressure canned and i started out re using those jars, and had 1 breakage in dozens of jars over multiple years.
Reusable lids by either Tattler or Harvest Guard are a good alternative. Yes they are more expensive however they have upwards of 6-10 (some say more) uses of the rubber gaskets. I personally have started using Harvest Guard lids with much success and love them and in the long run more cost effective.
I reuse my canning lids for vacuum sealing. They can be reused over and over. I just write an X underneath the lid so I don't get them confused with new. Also check estate sales for jars. I bought 12 dozen quart jars for $6/dozen.
In Switzerland, we only have the one-part lid available, and people have used (and re-used) them successfully for generations. The two-piece, one-use "only" lids are perhaps a new-fangled marketing gimmick...
I live in Europ. We use one piece lids for ages. U can reuse them couple of times if there is no rust or demage. We also reuse pickle, spagetti and other jars with its lids.
With regards to reusing lids. I watch another channel who talks about reusing. She has for several years used her old lids for dry vacuum sealing dried foods. She found the newer lids (last several years) have not had as much sealant layer so she doesn’t use them for canning a second time because she doesn’t want to deal with failures. She uses tattler reusable lids a bunch for canning multiple times. I use one piece lids for vacuum sealing dried foods.
Years ago when I first started canning, it was common to use mayonnaise jars and their lids. The jars were glass then and the lids metal. In fact I still use them today although so much of those have been taken away from us. In fact they used to make smaller lids so you could can in the different jars. I still have some of the old lids, They were made by Kerr, and their size is "63", so they know it's ok to can in those jars. It's a great option.
Another option not mentioned is to "co-op" with friends in order to be able to purchase in bulk.. No we can't eat 40lbs of chicken breast, pressure canning can be a pain to try if you have only one PC available, but if you have close friends that PC too, that 40 lbs of meat gets canned in an afternoon with three or four people working the problem
I use the glass spaghetti jars to store my homemade broths, I freeze the whole jar. I was using my Ball Mason jars but it was rusting out the rings. Anything Ball is precious now. Also instead of pressing canning meat, use your pressure cooker to cook the meat and then if you have a food saver I would just start freezing your meat. They have sorts of sizes of bags for the food saver. Walmart is also getting in lids! I have only seen the regular mouth ones. I got about 50 packs. The Walmart lids is much cheaper than the Ball brand. Walmart brand is 1.47 and Ball brand is 2.47 for regular mouth. The wide mouth lids are harder to find but just keep checking Walmart. Walmart is getting in lids but they sell out real fast. So buy whatever you can and stock up!
Also wet jars, and the more spring loaded lids with the clamps, most of them are used in Europe for canning and have been for generations. I'm going to start trying some of those as well. I have a number of them that I was just using for storing dry goods. I haven't found a couple at Goodwill that I thought might work but it actually says on the bottom "not for canning"which I thought was amazing!
Oh my goodness! Thank you for the heads-up regarding Dutchman's! I'm in California and all the yuppies have bought out the stores! I will be hunting yard sales next Spring as you know most will lose interest after the initial panic. I have been canning for 30 years and have never seen a year of "panic" buying like this one. Besides the lids, I also bought 2 pounds of minute Tapioca as I use it in my pies and cobblers and Kraft must have stopped making it. They also have Sorghum syrup. I haven't had that tasty treat since I was a child! So again, Thank You very much!
Before they changed to plastic i used Mayo jars all the time. I also reuse lids and rarely are problems. Maybe you could even try a rental place, unlikely but you never know. You could always try borrowing from a friend.
2. :) I paused and made my 1st comment. Just finished and I had another. Amazing video yes! I have seen a trickling of jars since the stores were wiped out and was able to pick up a dozen of wide mouth pints. :) The other thing I did was to go through my herbs, medicinal herbs and dry storage jars looking for my quart/pint sizes and was able to switch out using jars I had saved to put bouquets from my garden that I give to others. Doing that really helped finish off my canning.
That was a great and very informative video. I live in South Africa and we do not have a canning culture anymore, sadly. My mom used to waterbath can but she never taught me, also sadly. So we still have lots of canning jars and lids avalable but people just use them as cute jars for storing things in, not to can in. To find a Pressure Canner is almost impossible as there is no demand, but one can get if you look around. Very few people ferment and I had to import my fermenting kit from the USA and it fascinates people lol. So we all have some obstacles, but one can overcome them. I wish my mom kept her canning jars for me as she still had the glass lids with a rubber ring and the screw lids. Would give anything for those now
My family has done home preserving for over 150 years. My mother and grandmother and she was born in 1900 have always used jars that was not ball or mason jars. They used to use the glass mayonnaise jars to Canaan you just have to make sure the lid fits the opening correctly
I only use jars that I bought other products in and I have never had any problems. I use pickle jars, pasta sauce jars, olive jars etc. I just find jars quite expensive to buy here in ireland so I would rather buy a jar with food inside and reuse them. I also use the original lids and they seal super well
I live in Switzerland and we have only the one piece lids. They work perfectly well. I also use Weck jars with a glass lid and a thin rubber band, they do the job as well. But they don't sell pressure canners here because of "safety" issues. But two generations ago we used them too and now i use my Presto. My grandma would like that!
I just ordered an All-American from Lehman’s! I’ve wanted one for years, but, after struggling all season with trying to find canning supplies, bit the bullet and ordered. Merry Christmas to me! 😆
I was able to find 4 doz quart jars new for $5.00 each to a mom with 7 children who has not canned before. I have many jars but needed to get more as we were able the chance to butcher our 1st pig and want to can. Also canned some extra things just to have on hand and gifts to my couple married sons and their families. I have had fun also blessing a family at church as their home is not able to have current appliances at this time its a very old home so we are pressure canning potatoes, carrots and beets for them so far. They were able to find jars and lids here in Minnesota. We had snow here in October 7 inches that melted and last week we got another 7 inches, it has melted some but still have covering everywhere. We have been getting outside things done and am thankful we are actually ahead of schedule this year. My daughter and I have been in recovering mode from car accident last year that really kicked our systems and things we need healing from so I am amazed at what we were able to do. I am a single parent for years now and am so thankful as she has gotten older to help more and more and she actually takes over in the kitchen. We did get our Tattler lids YES so they finally came as well. I so appreciate all that you share. Also many times our food we store up has fed single mom families and others that need help as well as my mom. Our garden did not do well as we tried but with recovery we are going through God still met our needs through a friend. I was so happy. But we did have food on our shelves before that so did not put me into panic. I would love to have a 1 yr worth my goal. Canning and getting things ready is my Love to go to my pantry and shop. Also my daughter will be having surgery after Christmas so glad to have food here when so many don't understand why, we know what we are eating.
The skeptic in me thinks there are cases of jars and lids in people's homes that are not going to get used. I think a lot of people panic bought or just got caught up in the frenzy of getting supplies. They probably imagined using them, but in the end they haven't canned much.
Regarding the one piece lids, what prevents the appearance of a false seal since the ring cannot be removed? I am very interested in purchasing some of these reusable lids, but am worried about this one factor. Thank you so much!
I can not say for sure but i think its if the lid can be compressed it hasnt worked like when u buy jars from the shop if u can press the button in it is unsafe to use. Hope that makes sense.
When you Can with them the button will be indented same as the Ball lids, it's its up it's not sealed. When you unscrew the lid you will hear a loud whoosh sound as it unseals, trust me you'll know if it isn't sealed. If the button is up it did not seal. Just don't screw the lid on tight when canning, finger tight only. I boil mine in water before attaching not for long just enough to get them hot. Anna In Ohio.
Thank you for posting this, Here in Texas we have the same problem. The stores that carry them are in limited supply and only have certain sizes. I have been patient even though I am old enough to remember our County Extension Offices used to carry tons of them and they were very cheap. You could even rent the pressure cookers. The last time I was able to do that was in the 80's. Then grocery stores started carrying them at about double what you could get them from the CEO. But you could get every size available. I heard that the BALL website has a list of stores you can look up for your area to get them. Down here I can get Pint and Quart sometimes the smaller and decorative at Tractor Supply. Michaels is supposed to carry single Half Gallon and Gallon sizes. Have not ventured out for them yet. Again thank you for this video. I will be watching.
Same here in southern PA! All of our other stores including Walmart have nothing. Our Targets do not (currently) have a limit, but they said they will be out of stock soon -until spring.
@@sweetjaybaby thanks lady!!! I purchased those a couple of years ago, thank God I wised up and bought only Ameican made since! God is good and blessed us in all ways this year!!
Classico sauce jars work great. I also use Weck jars and I love their re-usability and glass lids. The only real problem with Weck jars is that their sizes are not efficient for fitting into pots.
For removing hard to open lids . I have to give credit where due --thanks go to s to a wise Mailman Jeff. He suggested i buy an oil filter wrench --check out wide adjustable jin hardware or auto supply store he was right --great for gripping do the trick.I was really having trouble opening my jars --his suggestion works great for me The automobile oil filter wrench is like a large jaws plier wrench --the jaws are able to open wide and adjustable notches to size. Not real expensive but do the kitchen tool job . Suggest maybe you might want to mark with some fingernail pink polish so they don't end up in his toolbox. ..
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I went to the thrift store the other day and found a Presto 16 qt canner new in the box for 20$. I was so excited. I gifted it my neighbor who has started gardening and canning last year and had to borrow mine or our friends canners. While we didn’t mind, it is still so much better for her to have her own. She was in tears and so therefore I was too. It blessed the both of us. I have also found them along with jars, iron skillets, and the real bundt pans at estate sales. I like to think of carrying on the homestead traditions with our younger generation.
Lorri Johnson wow! What a score!! Thrift stores are such a fun resource and you just never know what treasures will be there for you or someone you know. Nice!!
Thank you. I feel the same.
Thank you. One thing I have learned, though it may sound corny and old fashioned, is you can never give too much love away. It’s like creativity, the more you use it, the more you have. I don’t tell my stories to get kiddos. What I get in return seems to me the greater gift. Told you it would sound corny. Lol Just speaking truth though.
Blessings
@@apiecemaker1163 Truly a great gift, 1 that will continue to bring joy daily. I for 1 am sure God meant for you to find this. God bless.
I really loved Carolyn’s story about Josh snuggling the chicks 🐥. It was very sweet!
Fowlers Vacola use a system with glass jars and lids, metal rings and separate rubber seals. The rubber seals can be re-used multiple times, and the glass lids last indefinitely. I have also successfully used standard supermarket jars left over from purchased jams and sauces for many years without any failures. I wouldn't recomend them for meat products, but they are certainly fine for jams, jellies, fruits, sauces, chutneys etc. You can check for a good seal as the 'dent' in the middle of the lid pops back down as the contents cool (both audibly and visibly!) and any you may possibly be concerned about can be used first. However I haven't had a problem in the last 20 years.
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I tested re-using 2 piece metal lids 10 years ago to determine if and how many times the flat metal lid could be re-used. To do this, I heated the lids in hot (just below boiling) water, filled 9 regular mouth Pint jars with water (1/2" headspace) and canned them at 15 psi for 1 hour (standard 10 minute steam vent, bring to weight jiggle, start timing). After removing the jars from the pressure canner I allowed 12 hours for them to stabilize and then carefully checked the seals and carefully removed the lids with a can bottle opener so as not to bend the metal lids or deform the edge. I repeated until I saw the first seal failure, which was at Cycle Number 10. I backed that off to 8 cycles to reduce the number of seal failures to near zero during regular use. This technique of course requires that you be careful not to bend the lid in the middle or around the sealing edge and that you mark the lids to keep track of how many times you've re-used them. I haven't seen anyone of RUclips do any actual testing and show the results - perhaps you'd like to? I'm a single test point and would be interested to see if you got the same results. Thanks for the great videos!
Cool! That is a lot of effort..Thank you! Some of my flat metal lids have multiple dates on them as well..some are older than 3+years too. The key is to ensure they are not nicked or bent. When I use a knife or the bottom side of a jar lid for opening a jar I use my other hand as a fulcrom to pry UP on the canning lid...I have never bent a lid! Makes me cringe to see people use a bottle opener to open jars.
I have reused lids from jellies and pickles that have only needed to be water bathed for 10 minutes. Thankfully, they have all sealed when used a second or third time.
I reuse as many times as I need. I have started using the Harvest Guard reusable rubber seals along with the reused metal lids. I always open with a spoon to make sure that I don't bend or warp the edge of the lids.
You are a rock star! Thank you for taking so much time and effort!
As a new canner, scared and lost a bit, your post showed so much clarity on the subject.
It made me realize? I can do this!
Local supplies are still available...just like you said. When I was at the Amish store (1 1/2 hrs away) the subject of lids came up and an Amish woman overheard and said she had lids at her little country store. So I was able to get a sleeve. She had bagged up others and I did not buy them all so someone else could get some.
To open a lid with out damage....Take a table knife, put on top of lid, now apply the can opener on knife, instead
of lid, and open. The knife is preventing direct contact with lid.
Peggy Kush genius
Thank you for sharing! Brilliant!
I never see the technique of using the band to open a sealed lid. Done by using the rolled edge side of the band on the edge of the lid and push up. I only use this method and it works just fine, does not damage lid and is easy to do.
You can hold the back edge of a knife or the side of a spoon under the edge of the flat/lid and twist it and the lid will pop off with no damage
@@KittyF54 Then why not start designing and manufacturing REUSABLE LIDS inside America and ON AMERICAN SOIL?! And exceeding international standards by several times so that they can INDEFINITELY REUSABLE. Non-biodegradble and non-ablating silicone-silicon rubber-plastic polymer seals are already available inside Russia and being non-biodegradable means THEY WILL NOT LEACH INTO YOUR FOODS regardless whether they are extremely acidic or alkaline and processed at a much higher pressures and temperatures. And no thanks to American sanctions, we cannot export such indefinitely reusable food grade seals and metal lids to America. SORRY!
Yes, I have always tried to have food put by enough to last until next harvest. As the child of a depression baby, I do not have faith that the trucks will always show up at the local Walmart.
Harvest Guard & Tattler reusable canning lids and rubber rings are safe, economic and available. They are both US made and I have been using this type of lid for nearly 15 yrs. They are easy to use and only vary slightly from the common process with metal flats. And they use the same metal bands that come with your ball style jars. Online ordering is presently not being halted and these have a life time warranty on the lid the rubber rings last several sessions. If you have trouble getting metal lids I would get these. Also try ordering Italian, german and British canning jars . Kilner, Weck, Leifert, ecetera. They are the same standard mason jar mouths in reg or widemouth.
Last week I found 7 boxes of wide mouth lids at fred meyer's. I did the happy dance right there in the aisle! I had narrow mouth lids but no wide ones. Have alot of wide mouth pint jars. Now I have lids for some of them. Told my hubby when we found them. See it doesnt take much to make me extremely happy!
I found a brand new in the box American canner at a resale store for$50 and I bought it immediately to gift to someone who needed a canner and could not afford to buy one.
What a wonderful, kind gift!
Took me 4-1/2 months to get my All American Pressure Canner because of all the orders. Been finding 1 to 3 boxes of jars at a time and always check and buy if I find. Found at Smith's (Krogers), and Wal-Mart. At Wal-Mart if they are out have an isle employee check on their scanner when the next shipment will be coming. Gives a bit of an advantage.
I've been using recycled spaghetti jars etc for years for preserving. As long as the original lids are dent free and the inside surface isn't scratched they seal well and the produce (jams, pickles, relish and sauces) have lasted well for years. For the recycled jars, I wash the jars and lids thoroughly, heat my jars up in the oven, put the hot jam or sauce in the hot jar, place the lids on tightly and as they cool down the button on the lid pops down giving a perfect seal. For water bath canning I use fowlers jars, because that's all that was available, or so I thought. This year I heard about pressure canning and began my journey with this new way of preserving. I always wondered why no one seemed to use recycled jars in America, (I'm in Australia btw) but I faithfully went out and bought all the proper ball canning jars and lids and a Presto canner and I've had a great time (I can't wait for my garden to get into full production). It's been a lot of fun canning meat, soups and stews but I'm not sure I would have had the courage to try my recycled jars in the pressure canner. When my garden gives me the usual glut of beans I'm going to give it a try. As you said, what's the worst that could happen? I could break a few jars and lose a few beans. Some of my recycled jars are quite sturdy so I could win too. I guess I am fortunate that pressure canning is not that well known in Australia yet so I have been able to get a good supply, I'm glad I got in early, but now supplies are getting short here too. Thanks for the great info in your pantry chats, I've learned a lot from you guys.
G'day to another Aussie 🇭🇲🦘🦘🇭🇲 As soon as you said Fowler's, I knew you were down under 😂 Hard to get the Fowler's lids/rings/clips at the moment, and they're pretty expensive. Just ordered a canner, so new experiences coming up.
Have a great day from Sthn NSW 🇭🇲🦘🦘🙏🦘🦘🇭🇲
I also grew up reusing all the jars we could get hold of.
Just realised you commented this 3 years ago, sorry.
@@aussieauntynette6892 Good onya for expanding your preserving knowledge. I have learned so much from our USA friends and have had so much fun these past years. I haven't wasted any of my produce grown and my pantry shelves are groaning! I've been sharing what I've learned with some of the young mums in our church and they are getting excited too. The word is spreading. I think the more we can be as self sufficient as possible the better off we will be. You're right about the expense of equipment at the moment but once we have the basics then it's just the lids for ball jars and rings for the fowlers. Enjoy your journey, regards from S.A x
We’re canning a lot of meat; deer, beef, and chicken. I went to Kroger’s the other day and they had stacks and stacks of jars. I purchased 8 cases of wide mouth quarts for $14.99 each. A little more expensive than this time last year, but I was happy to get them.
I worked as QC/QA at a food plant. They us a "retort" which is a giant pressure cooker. When power would go out, we would still monitor pressure, and if dropped low enough, would follow same rules as home canning. That's including metal can canning.
I live in NY. Never would imagine this is was a reality.
I started educating myself in homesteading. I rent but have a big yard. I have my seeds for next year. I plan to make this a lifestyle change. My hardware store ordered me canning supplies but not sure when they arrive.
If your in upstate NY check out your ACE hardware. Our local store has wide mouth pints and half pints. No quarts but a jar is a jar at this point
In Europe we only have 1 part lids lol, they work great for canning. They are very easy to use and very safe and I have had to reuse them and have worked fine. As long as they are not damaged they work fine 🙂
Don’t you mean waterbathing? I’m also in Europe and for canning stuff is hard to get here, or do you know another option than ordering from Amerika? Trying to find out which 1 part lids Carolynn is even talking about. I have everything from the mark ‘Weck’. I think it’s a German brand.
Just FYI, I had ordered Tattler lids for the first time because the regular metal lids were gone. I waited about 6 weeks to get them but they finally did arrive. So perhaps, if canning for anyone can wait a bit, then Tattler did finally come through for me. Good luck everyone, and THANKS for the great advise here on your channel!
Yes I got some from Harvest Guard also.
I LOVE my tattlers.
Tattler lids have a HIGH fail rate. Not worth it.
@@MotherClucker1 I am practicing with them canning water when I have spare room in my canner. I am going to use them for water bath canning on things that we use in high rotation . I will still hunt for Ball lids for my pressure canning.
@@anitaculp683 same here, Anna In Ohio.
I have found them at Walmart and Winn Dixie. I never thought about hardware stores. Thanks. I would NEVER use CHINESE jars and lids. They have put too many ingredients in our products that have caused harm to us.
Unfortunately most stuff from Walmart is from China.
I am on canner load #4 of chili for the winter. All in 1/2 pint jars. 3 loads yesterday and processing the last one right now. I always get my gardening supplies and canning supplies in the winter every year.
Word of mouth is really a good idea. I tell everyone that I'm really getting into canning and my daughter-in-law's mother just gave me 2 boxes of canning jars and rims she had in her garage that she meant to throw away. She also mentioned that she has a friend who wants to get rid of jars. Bring them all my way! I'll gladly take them! Like I said I'm just in the beginning stages, but I know I have several hundreds of jars now and just have to make sure I keep a steady supply of new lids (and continue collecting jars ;))
At my walmart on nov 7 ( sw missouri) and found pint and quart jars. Got 5 case pint and 1 of quart.....felt like i was walking around store with gold mine in my cart.
My grandmother always used baby food jars to process her freezer jam. Because it freed up the ball jars for things that she had to process a non freezer way. I always remember that when I start running low on jars or pantry space. Some things can be moved from pantry to freezer or the other way around, as long as you think it through from the start.
I hear that Ball company has increased their production of lids and will be getting them out into the big box stores.
Also I found I gained about 2 doz new, not processed last lids by just replacing lids/rings with the plastic covers on jars that don’t need lids/rings. It was great, I felt like I had found a magic stash of lids.
Explain? What
I bought plastic lids online last year. Ball lids are expensive but far better quality and the made in China are not fitting on as well, especially the wide mouth.
Funny how people don't return your jars (grrr) especially wgen it is requested.
I reuse my lids for everyday use, they are marked from previous use.
I vacume sealed dehydrated foods tgis year.
I also buy my tomatoe sauce and such in glass jars, they keep longer and I will reuse them for dried goods or pickled or jams.
Use these first.
I am from France, and over here, one-piece lids are commonly used for preservation, with no problems. I actually discovered 2-piece lids while watching your videos, before that, I only knew of rubber seals and one-piece lids ;)
I have re used spaghetti sauce jars, mayonnaise jars or other glass jars for water bath canning for just to have something put up for just a couple of months, but I've never pressure canned with them.
I've never heard of the single reusable lids, but I've been thinking about trying tattler lids, as they are reusable.
I reuse my lids only on dry seals. Like dry beans, rice, powdered milk etc. With an oxygenator in the jar, It works well.
I hate that they stopped making pint and a half wide mouth jars! Those were perfect for most of my canning needs! Except for my jelly and jam jars. I love making jellies and jams!
Thank u for the info! ❤👍
I also miss those pint and a half jars. I only have 18 but could use two more cases.
Thank you! Thank you! I was so excited to hear this. I have been reusing lids for years due to cost and saving them from the dump. As you indicated I check them over carefully for nicks and bends and use them with very little failure. Some of the lids have dates of 3+ years. I do not however resuse them from jars that went through a pressure canning process...I think they would be fine, but I have not done so...yet. I have also started going back to the glass lid with rubber band (GEM jars) in the pressure canning and hot water bath process. Like tatler lids you do have to tighten them down when they come out of the canner, but no biggy, just be careful about burns and not to over tighten. The rubber band is reusable and if not, you only have a small rubber band to dispose of.
As for the reuse of jars that came from the store with spaghetti sauce, jam, jelly, etc in them - for over 15 years I have been reusing these in the canning process, again, to save cost and saving a perfectly good jar from the dump. They work great! I have not had to use them in pressure canning yet (I manage jars to avoid) so I don't know how they will work, but I am sure I will at some point. I carefully check the lids for nicks, bends, rust, etc and if all is fine I treat them same as a normal canning lid and jar. As was mentioned though you want to make sure the canning time is good for the jar size - not a difficult task. I do soak my lids in hot water to soften the rubber a wee bit, but not sure this is necessary unless you are not putting through a canning process, such as for jam and jelly (I do not hot water bath the majority of my jam and jelly). I have accidently overtightened a lid while hot water bath canning and ended with a bulge in the lid but once it cooled, every one goes back to normal and seals and stores perfectly.
I can honestly say that this pantry chat has made me feel so relieved - I always felt what I was doing was safe but could never find support....I just kept doing it as I knew it was working. Reusing the jars opens up a very large window of access when you think how many leave the stores - talk to your friends and families and before long you will be over run with jars waiting to be filled - I know I am. Thanks again for this Josh and Carolyn! Take care.
I have reused lids for years and years. I recondition the lids (that are in good shape) by scrubbing them with soap and water, boil for 10 minutes or bake for 15 minutes (for dry canning). Works very well for our family. Also you can open lids on jars with out damaging them by using the back of a butter knife. God bless and love from Ohio.
As a side note- Classico pasta jars and lids are regular mouth .75 quart jars and we reuse them in WB and PC all the time.
I have re-used commercial jars for years. If the canning lid and ring fit they can be used. It is an issue of the thread on the jar mouth. I also re-use jars with a grip top lid! I use them for water bathing ONLY, for jams... or pickles. As long as the lids fit and are in good condition they can be re-used multiple times. I make sure to inspect lids and jars carefully for nicks or dings or corrosion and have never had an issue!
Great video today. I am very disappointed with Amazon these days and am making concerted efforts to purchase elsewhere. Their lack of posting origin of product makes me crazy. I too, have seen reviews that don’t go with the product making it very misleading when looking at glance. How does that happen and why is it permitted. I am focusing on local purchases whenever possible. If that is not possible I try to purchase from another online vendor. Or go without.
This was fantastic. There is so much deception in the marketplace around canning and I see more and more of it the more I experiment on my own at home.
Perhaps the reason the USDA and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency recommend against using one piece lid jars is because if we all figured out just how easy it is to make a big batch of your own marinara and can it on a Saturday afternoon we wouldn’t buy Ragu.
I own your canning class and would love to see you add a video one piece lids. I'm trying to minimize trash and recycle and this is thrilling. And of course saves money. 😁
I second that It's Me! I'm also a member of the course and would love a class about one piece lids.
Canning supplies disappeared with toilet paper around March & April. There is absolutely nothing county wide. I am using antique jars with bubbles. Purchased jars like pickles that pop when one opens them can be used in hot bath canning. I have wondered how much food will be in metal cans in the future. Would you believe farmers turned crops under in the Spring.
My local Asian store in Central AL has a great supply all the time of ball and Kerr just lids and the lids/rings in both sizes for reg price.
I also snagged several boxes of ball lids/rings in Walmart curbside online for $3.78!!! I think they reg run $6.99. I ordered the 6 boxes shown available but only got 2 when I went to pick up. I also find jars at yard/estate sales all the time. If they have lids/rings with them, I’ll use the rings and only use the lids for vacuum sealing jars of dry goods.
Could you ever do a show about how people canned goods 130 years ago before the rubber seals were invented?
Great show! Thanks for all of the good information!
Kitty Bitts my grandmothers canning jars had a rubber gasket and a glass lid that clamped on. No idea what happened to them unfortunately.
The gulf wax bars from the grocery store say they are for canning. Dont know how you'd use them but there must have been a time that it was used before we stamped out metal lids with the gummed gaskets already on them!
My great grandmother (lived through the great depression) used wax.
@@TheTarablee713 my mother melted the wax and topped the jars after filling them. It created a seal. Very easy to take wax chunk off
The wax does not create a vacuum seal. It keeps air out. I only know about using it with jelly and jam. Lids are for vacuums, and wax would absolutely melt in the heat
I absolutely LOVE thrift stores! Found a $0.95 cent bread maker, and it works! Got a George Forman for $5.50, these prices sped up being able to have things that we thought we would save for the “one day”purchases.
Luckily I got most of my canning supplies before the canning shortage. Thanks for the videos and info :)
We had that issue with the Chinese lids. Do not throw them out. Use them to store dry goods with a vacuum sealer in jars or for target practice.Lehman’s is now selling tattler lids and regular and wide mouth lids made by superb company made in Ohio. These new metal lids are better than Ball.
I have been forced to reuse lids. I heat them in boiling water first. So far, so good. :)
That’s what I’ve considered doing for short term items.
My dad does this for acidic things like apples and salsas and he’s never had anything go bad in years.
This was so helpful. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to teach us. You two are so good at this! Not only raising a beautiful family, homesteading in a real way, but TEACHING! We truly appreciate you. Blessings to you and your family.
Both of my Grandmothers regularly reused canning lids and also used store-bought Mayo jars.
I have to smile about the Mayo jars.. a friends daughter just bought a farm with a canning shed hundreds and hundreds of jars in there left behind. They gave me a lot of very old Mayo jars so funny how much bigger they were back then. I personally would not Can with them though a wide mouth lid does fit but for dry food storage they are perfect. Anna In Ohio.,
Excellent information and very timely! Thank you Carolyn and Josh! The other reason why manufacturer's have stipulations is because we live in a litigious society where many folks sue manufacturers and win large settlements even though those folks may have done something wrong in the processing. Common sense is not so common anymore and knowing the science and doing your testing is the best way to survive in this world we live in. Again, thank you for sharing!
Wonderful tip on the storing of jars with no rings...
I haven't heard about the 'tool' that takes lids off without damaging them which I found interesting & ty now I'm going to have to google lol but how I remove them is I take a butter knife & place it flat side against the jar. At the closest part of the thread to where the lid is sealed. Then slightly and lightly applying pressure upward. It doesn't damage the snap lids. I have reused my lids when I have started a project and realized I didn't have enough lids. I haven't had a 'failure'. I don't make a practice of it as I am too scared it won't work. I have learned new things today. Thank you for sharing your lives with us all. :)
Jas Townsend's has historical methods on his channel savoring the flavors and aromas of the 17 century just remember to never forget the kitchen spice and nutmeg
Love that channel!!!
Will you please send a link?
@@charmainemrtnz it’s Townsends on You tube
@@charmainemrtnz ruclips.net/video/3hWREO1skW8/видео.html this is one of the videos
I love Townsends!
I found over 70 mason jars at thrift stores this fall, sometimes in batches of 10 or more, but I pick up every single stray jar I come across. This year, for the first time, I purchased re-useable lids and stocked up when I found a case of single-use lids at WalMart. Also I mistakenly bought lids from China and have been using them for dry storage of beans and rice, etc. because the food doesn't touch the lid.
In Australia we mostly use Fowlers Vacola jars. They are specifically preserving jars. They have a rubber ring around the rim, then the lid sits on, then a clip on top. You take the clip off after it has 'popped'. The rings will perish & lids do ding & some go rusty, so parts do need replacing. If you Google Fowlers Vacola you will see the whole kit.
I move 25 years ago with a big stash of canning lids. I could never find any bulk produce to can so I have been sitting on them. Moved recently and did a small victory garden late in the season. I managed to can up about 400 jars between tomatoes, beans and some pickles, etc
that we purchased using those 25 year old lids. I have had 3 that didn't seal with obvious error on my part. I have not seen lids in NC for a year. I know they say to not use old ones but you don't have many options.
What a valuable discussion! Thank you so much for sharing your experience and research. I have a sink full of spaghetti sauce jars soaking to get the labels off while watching this and 20 pounds of blackberries in my freezer to jam. I think I may go that route!!! Thank you, and God bless!
When unsure and I’m in doubt about using a reused lid, I put those canning lids in a container to use for vacuum sealing dry goods. I’ve learned so much from you. Thank you!
I use harvest Guard reusable gaskets along with used Ball lids . . .
we did the clothes switch when I was a kid. Every year before school started. Sweaters came out of the closet, coats exchanged hands, and shoes were checked for size, then they changed hands also!
I have refused my lids for YEARS without issues. Out of 100 reused lids I *might* have a failure rate of 3-5 out of 100, slightly more than if the lid is new. (If the lid fails I just use that item right away). I use them for waterbath and pressure canning, I just make sure the lid is not bent or dented. I use my nails or a spoon to break the seal. If the lid seal is getting older, I have seals for reusable (tattler lids) and it works awesome.
Its November 9th here, and yesterday it was 75. :) Winter has not arrived yet here. I consider it nature making up like a snow day for that late frost we had in the spring that hurt our early plants.
Just found you and love it all. Yes, I read the negative reviews first too!!!
Hi! Thank you so much for sharing these things so much with us. Your canning harvest looks beautiful. I am a customer service director with a major cabinet company so cabinets always draw my attention. Not trying to stick my nose where it doesn’t belong, as a rule of thumb we suggest that any cabinets above 24” and has a great deal of weight to make sure to re enforce the bottom with a support strip. You probably have already done this but I always like to suggest. Again I have learned so much from you and again want to say thank you!
Hi there, I'm from Europe and I've been canning for over 2 years with NON Ball jars, and also with 1 piece lids ( sometimes reused lids) and using an ALL AMERICAN pressure canner, and, I had NO PROBLEM AT ALL. Only once I had a lid failure since I reused the same lid 4 times ( pressure canned all of the times), SO if you are having a hard time finding Caning supplies I can assure you that what carolyn says Is true. Thanks for sharing your knowledge .
Sure enough... as Josh predicted... it's October 2022 and I'm still having problems finding the canning supplies I need. Had to drive to the Amish country 2 states away to get quart wide mouth jars. Waited 2 months to get wide lids. $38 for 12 jars on Amazon. Walmart delivered a box of glass shards and just refunded instead of replacing them because they didn't have anymore. So... I found some in central PA at the Amish store for $19/dozen. Canning up last years frozen turkeys today! Made egg noodles this morning. Thank you guys... I'm always going back and referencing your older videos.
So what we need is someone to invent a sealing compound to use on the lids; that consumers can apply for lid reuse.
That would be amazing. I hate single use items. I reuse lids for things I'm not processing, like stuff I dehydrate or put in the fridge/freezer. But I would love to be able to reuse lids.
My Gramma used to use paraffin, mostly on her jams, jellies and fruits
Ive seen some applying hi heat red silicone to the lids.
Don’t know how they work out an EVEN application…..
Rubber cement ?
they do make reusable lids, harvest guard and tattler make reusable lids. they are an investment but can be reused over and over and over again.
You can always try the reusable lids from either Harvest Guard or Tattler lids.
It's a bit pricey upfront, but I figured I wanted something as a backup if we go through this again next year, so worth the price to me.
Regarding the jar/lid shortage, Ball posted a comment on their webpage several weeks ago that due to the high interest and increased demand on canning supplies, Ball is now restocking certain stores with jars and lids. This restocking is sporadic, and, with not be the same stock at each store. The stores that Ball is currently restocking are Wal-Mart, Target, Kroger, Ace Hardware, and, True Value. All of these stores previously were completely out. I have recently seen several cases of Ball and Kerr jars and lids in my local Wal-Mart. Others are reporting finding some supplies at Target. So, I would say for everyone to keep an eye out. Ball stated that due to the massive increase in demand for canning supplies this year, and, the effect of Covid on their manufacturing facilities, the company has not been able to meet the current demand. Thank-you for your very informative video today. You presented some great ideas and info. Blessings.
My Kroger in Ohio had regular mouth lids $3.49 I bought 4 boxes giving others a chance to buy as well.
I tried water bath canning apricots, using Anchor Hocking pint jars for the first time over the summer. The majority of the lids warped, as you describe. And, one of the jars broke inside my kettle. Never happened before, using Ball or Kerr jars and lids.
I cannot believe my era didn’t continue canning and all!! I’m close to 60! Foods taste much better canned, than bought, it helps our kids and grandkids learn on survival ways, & to hunt, for healthy meats,, raise fresh cattle, poultry, etc. so many would be healthier also! I think it’s great to can, grow foods, hunt, it’s always relaxing, rewarding, much more healthier also. Thank you for all you share!
I am finding the supply of lids is extremely limited (found some once this fall), but in my area there’s a good supply of new jars with lids (see at least a few flats every store I shop each week). I think with reducing production they focused on the full set over the replacement lids.
In Australia we mostly use Fowlers Vacola jars. My grandmother used them.
My daughter lives in a town with a small Walmart. She checks her app and runs there when they have jars come in. She has gotten us several cases.
I use both 1 piece lug lid jars, and 2 piece lids. 1 piece lids are much thicker, so can be used up to 10 times. Just remember they do take on flavours etc when re using. I bought in bulk, and got them in bulk for the UK equivalent of less than a buck per jar and lid in pint size. Not bad for 10 years worth of use. When it comes to store bought re used jars, they are also pressure canned and i started out re using those jars, and had 1 breakage in dozens of jars over multiple years.
Reusable lids by either Tattler or Harvest Guard are a good alternative. Yes they are more expensive however they have upwards of 6-10 (some say more) uses of the rubber gaskets. I personally have started using Harvest Guard lids with much success and love them and in the long run more cost effective.
I reuse my canning lids for vacuum sealing. They can be reused over and over. I just write an X underneath the lid so I don't get them confused with new. Also check estate sales for jars. I bought 12 dozen quart jars for $6/dozen.
In Switzerland, we only have the one-part lid available, and people have used (and re-used) them successfully for generations. The two-piece, one-use "only" lids are perhaps a new-fangled marketing gimmick...
I live in Europ. We use one piece lids for ages. U can reuse them couple of times if there is no rust or demage. We also reuse pickle, spagetti and other jars with its lids.
With regards to reusing lids. I watch another channel who talks about reusing. She has for several years used her old lids for dry vacuum sealing dried foods. She found the newer lids (last several years) have not had as much sealant layer so she doesn’t use them for canning a second time because she doesn’t want to deal with failures. She uses tattler reusable lids a bunch for canning multiple times.
I use one piece lids for vacuum sealing dried foods.
You can also use those store bought jars in a water bath where there isn't any pressure as in pressure canning 😉
Years ago when I first started canning, it was common to use mayonnaise jars and their lids. The jars were glass then and the lids metal. In fact I still use them today although so much of those have been taken away from us. In fact they used to make smaller lids so you could can in the different jars. I still have some of the old lids, They were made by Kerr, and their size is "63", so they know it's ok to can in those jars. It's a great option.
Another option not mentioned is to "co-op" with friends in order to be able to purchase in bulk.. No we can't eat 40lbs of chicken breast, pressure canning can be a pain to try if you have only one PC available, but if you have close friends that PC too, that 40 lbs of meat gets canned in an afternoon with three or four people working the problem
You're a month ahead on winter, we're 2-3 months behind. Its still been 85+ here in Texas
I think it depends on what part of the country you live in. Indiana has now started finding Ball jars in Walmart, Menards and Target stores.
I read somewhere that as long as the thick jar bottom is domed in, it is useable for canning
Thank you! Finally someone has researched reusing store bought jars and seals. Now I'm going to use them for jams and jellies and such.
I use the glass spaghetti jars to store my homemade broths, I freeze the whole jar. I was using my Ball Mason jars but it was rusting out the rings. Anything Ball is precious now. Also instead of pressing canning meat, use your pressure cooker to cook the meat and then if you have a food saver I would just start freezing your meat. They have sorts of sizes of bags for the food saver. Walmart is also getting in lids! I have only seen the regular mouth ones. I got about 50 packs. The Walmart lids is much cheaper than the Ball brand. Walmart brand is 1.47 and Ball brand is 2.47 for regular mouth. The wide mouth lids are harder to find but just keep checking Walmart. Walmart is getting in lids but they sell out real fast. So buy whatever you can and stock up!
Also wet jars, and the more spring loaded lids with the clamps, most of them are used in Europe for canning and have been for generations. I'm going to start trying some of those as well. I have a number of them that I was just using for storing dry goods. I haven't found a couple at Goodwill that I thought might work but it actually says on the bottom "not for canning"which I thought was amazing!
Week not wet jars 🙂
Weck 😳
I have Weck jars and I love them. The sizes are not ideal for maximizing space in a canner, but they work fine.
Best for water bath canning. This is what they recommend.
I ordered a sleeve of regular lids from Dutchman's online. They arrived within a week. They are USA made, FDA approved and BPA free.
I've never heard of Dutchman's! Thanks for the tip! 175 lids for $70 is awesome.
Oh my goodness! Thank you for the heads-up regarding Dutchman's! I'm in California and all the yuppies have bought out the stores! I will be hunting yard sales next Spring as you know most will lose interest after the initial panic. I have been canning for 30 years and have never seen a year of "panic" buying like this one. Besides the lids, I also bought 2 pounds of minute Tapioca as I use it in my pies and cobblers and Kraft must have stopped making it. They also have Sorghum syrup. I haven't had that tasty treat since I was a child! So again, Thank You very much!
@@allthingsbethieI searched the site but couldn't find lids. What exactly where they called on the website?
@@anitasampson1982 I just checked and it looks like they have sold out of lids:
www.dutchmansstore.com/product/regular-mouth
The site says they won't be back until May 2021 how much was your sleeve
Before they changed to plastic i used Mayo jars all the time. I also reuse lids and rarely are problems. Maybe you could even try a rental place, unlikely but you never know. You could always try borrowing from a friend.
2. :) I paused and made my 1st comment. Just finished and I had another. Amazing video yes! I have seen a trickling of jars since the stores were wiped out and was able to pick up a dozen of wide mouth pints. :) The other thing I did was to go through my herbs, medicinal herbs and dry storage jars looking for my quart/pint sizes and was able to switch out using jars I had saved to put bouquets from my garden that I give to others. Doing that really helped finish off my canning.
That was a great and very informative video. I live in South Africa and we do not have a canning culture anymore, sadly. My mom used to waterbath can but she never taught me, also sadly. So we still have lots of canning jars and lids avalable but people just use them as cute jars for storing things in, not to can in. To find a Pressure Canner is almost impossible as there is no demand, but one can get if you look around. Very few people ferment and I had to import my fermenting kit from the USA and it fascinates people lol. So we all have some obstacles, but one can overcome them. I wish my mom kept her canning jars for me as she still had the glass lids with a rubber ring and the screw lids. Would give anything for those now
My family has done home preserving for over 150 years. My mother and grandmother and she was born in 1900 have always used jars that was not ball or mason jars. They used to use the glass mayonnaise jars to Canaan you just have to make sure the lid fits the opening correctly
I only use jars that I bought other products in and I have never had any problems. I use pickle jars, pasta sauce jars, olive jars etc. I just find jars quite expensive to buy here in ireland so I would rather buy a jar with food inside and reuse them. I also use the original lids and they seal super well
I live in Switzerland and we have only the one piece lids. They work perfectly well. I also use Weck jars with a glass lid and a thin rubber band, they do the job as well. But they don't sell pressure canners here because of "safety" issues. But two generations ago we used them too and now i use my Presto. My grandma would like that!
I have used Postum, Sunshine coffee jars, even the old peanut butter jars in pressure canning for years....works great for us.
I just ordered an All-American from Lehman’s! I’ve wanted one for years, but, after struggling all season with trying to find canning supplies, bit the bullet and ordered. Merry Christmas to me! 😆
My daughter found 2 pressure canners at a yard sale. One was new one was barely used. $40.
I was able to find 4 doz quart jars new for $5.00 each to a mom with 7 children who has not canned before. I have many jars but needed to get more as we were able the chance to butcher our 1st pig and want to can. Also canned some extra things just to have on hand and gifts to my couple married sons and their families. I have had fun also blessing a family at church as their home is not able to have current appliances at this time its a very old home so we are pressure canning potatoes, carrots and beets for them so far. They were able to find jars and lids here in Minnesota. We had snow here in October 7 inches that melted and last week we got another 7 inches, it has melted some but still have covering everywhere. We have been getting outside things done and am thankful we are actually ahead of schedule this year. My daughter and I have been in recovering mode from car accident last year that really kicked our systems and things we need healing from so I am amazed at what we were able to do. I am a single parent for years now and am so thankful as she has gotten older to help more and more and she actually takes over in the kitchen. We did get our Tattler lids YES so they finally came as well. I so appreciate all that you share. Also many times our food we store up has fed single mom families and others that need help as well as my mom. Our garden did not do well as we tried but with recovery we are going through God still met our needs through a friend. I was so happy. But we did have food on our shelves before that so did not put me into panic. I would love to have a 1 yr worth my goal. Canning and getting things ready is my Love to go to my pantry and shop. Also my daughter will be having surgery after Christmas so glad to have food here when so many don't understand why, we know what we are eating.
The skeptic in me thinks there are cases of jars and lids in people's homes that are not going to get used. I think a lot of people panic bought or just got caught up in the frenzy of getting supplies. They probably imagined using them, but in the end they haven't canned much.
Regarding the one piece lids, what prevents the appearance of a false seal since the ring cannot be removed? I am very interested in purchasing some of these reusable lids, but am worried about this one factor.
Thank you so much!
I can not say for sure but i think its if the lid can be compressed it hasnt worked like when u buy jars from the shop if u can press the button in it is unsafe to use. Hope that makes sense.
When you Can with them the button will be indented same as the Ball lids, it's its up it's not sealed. When you unscrew the lid you will hear a loud whoosh sound as it unseals, trust me you'll know if it isn't sealed. If the button is up it did not seal. Just don't screw the lid on tight when canning, finger tight only. I boil mine in water before attaching not for long just enough to get them hot. Anna In Ohio.
Thank you for posting this, Here in Texas we have the same problem. The stores that carry them are in limited supply and only have certain sizes. I have been patient even though I am old enough to remember our County Extension Offices used to carry tons of them and they were very cheap. You could even rent the pressure cookers. The last time I was able to do that was in the 80's. Then grocery stores started carrying them at about double what you could get them from the CEO. But you could get every size available. I heard that the BALL website has a list of stores you can look up for your area to get them. Down here I can get Pint and Quart sometimes the smaller and decorative at Tractor Supply. Michaels is supposed to carry single Half Gallon and Gallon sizes. Have not ventured out for them yet. Again thank you for this video. I will be watching.
🌹 I’m in Iowa and Target has Ball canning jars in all sizes with a limit of three.
Target is the only place in my area too.
Same here in southern PA! All of our other stores including Walmart have nothing. Our Targets do not (currently) have a limit, but they said they will be out of stock soon -until spring.
I had nothing but trouble with all the Chinese items I purchased for canning.
@@nordicstarhomestead7314 I hope you are able to find some Ball brand jars in your area.
@@sweetjaybaby thanks lady!!! I purchased those a couple of years ago, thank God I wised up and bought only Ameican made since! God is good and blessed us in all ways this year!!
Classico sauce jars work great. I also use Weck jars and I love their re-usability and glass lids. The only real problem with Weck jars is that their sizes are not efficient for fitting into pots.
This video is full of excellent information, especially for someone new to canning, like me. Thank you so much!! ❤️
For removing hard to open lids . I have to give credit where due --thanks go to s to a wise Mailman Jeff. He suggested i buy an oil filter wrench --check out wide adjustable jin hardware or auto supply store he was right --great for gripping do the trick.I was really having trouble opening my jars --his suggestion works great for me The automobile oil filter wrench is like a large jaws plier wrench --the jaws are able to open wide and adjustable notches to size. Not real expensive but do the kitchen tool job . Suggest maybe you might want to mark with some fingernail pink polish so they don't end up in his toolbox. ..
Yes please, one-piece lid canning video!