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first for foremost, been a huge fan of yours for years...
iFeel like i've seen you growup right before my very eyes & proud of your success in the industry, and revere your legacy. And it goes w/out saying, iKnow youre a smart guy, so iKnow you are aware of what era, the likelinesses the FKA Lew Alcindor, Wilts, and the even more heartbreaking, Bill Russell. The civil rights era.
Now, im not saying what it is, ijs what it look likes...Make the Association Better Again. Or Make the NBA draft these "N's Better Play draft.
speaking of other channels what happened to the laced up pod?
The name is a nice touch.
WILT :
- DIDNT HAD MODERN SHOES PLAYED IN CONVERSE FLAT (KNOWN TO HURT YOUR LEGS IF U JUMP IN THEM)
- TRAVEL 6 TO 8 HOURS IN OTHER CITY IN STEAM BOAT (NOT 30 MINUTES IN PRIVATE LUX JET)
- HE CANT SLEEP IN COMFOR BED DURING TRAVEL BECAUSE PLANES AND STEAM BOAT HAD WOODEN SIT
@@PIP...33 Agree mate. Wilt is GOAT by far. What he did in more physical era more difficult environment is GOAT to me !! U have forgot modern medicine back in days players on bench had only bucket full of ice to help them during time out. Wilt had 20 seconds or 2 minutes to hold ice on his knee by himself bucket full of ice vs modern days therapist and medical staff.
Not only that but they STILL GET HURT despite all this load managing, if anything they get hurt more often smh
Facts just look at AD and Kawhi
Right I think PG is right. it's making them weaker.
@Max Anderson AD stay hurt bc he doesn't understand gravity. He moves and dribbles too much and tries to he acrobatic at 7ft tall😂
@@muziseanbymuzitv ad has always been dealing with injuries idk why people act like it’s new
load managing doesn’t really help because you have to play through injuries and stuff to actually become healthy
This is the direct result of young prospects being treated like gods since they were in middle school. They never heard the word NO. Money was thrown at them. Now they think they’re bigger than the league
most true comment I've read thus far
Exactly, treat these little shits like kings since they were 15 years old by the time they are in their young twenties they just expect whatever they do to be ok and if it’s not oh well it’s me what are they gonna do?
Ja is a perfect example, has everything given to him growing up and had it easy, now he wants to turn around and act all gangster likes he’s hard, flashes a gun and all he gets is a two game suspension? So nothing really, so he’s going to keep acting this way until the nba or somebody gets him to realize bro you could lose everything you have right now and end up working for a living like the rest of us……… oh wait nvm sorry you can jump high and run fast with a ball so you can do whatever
more like the direct result of literal children playing a full season of basketball in school AND up to 40 AAU basketball games while training round the clock and also attending basketball camps in the summer year after year. By the time young prospects hit the big leagues they have more miles on them than most oldhead nba players got in their careers.
@@jdeanwalsh yeah these new kids play hundreds of games before college. I guess most draft prospects have the knees of 40 year old plumbers.
@@dowhatiwantc7637 pretty much
What Anthony Edwards said is absolutely right! Think about the fans that don't have as much money, who saved up for weeks, if not months, to be able to see their favorite player live and he's sitting out because he feels like it...
Will he have the same outlook when he’s a 10-12 year vet who’s had multiple injuries and deep post season runs tho?
@@alexescutia4805 He would be when he paid hundreds of million just to regularly show up at work
Michael Jordan used to talk about this, playing hard every game because you never knew when a fan had never seen you live before. He always wanted them to get their money's worth
@@alexescutia4805 bro the fans are the ones putting money in their pockets this is why I hate some athletes like yes y’all are extremely talented one of one athletes but you’re nothing without fans ur just a grown man playing a child’s game I think if it gets worse fans should just not watch and see how fast the players start playing again once that cap decreases
And if for that purpose I would like the NBA to make a proposal in which before buying a ticket, they would put one preferred star to see. If they ain't gonna play, they give that fan a partial refund. Tho I could see this be taken advantaged by people who have insider tips and just get a ticket for cheap.
6:08 we need a disclaimer that for Jokic's 2021 MVP, there were only 72 games per team due to COVID, so he actually played 100% of the regular season games that year, contrary to the dip in games played for other MVPs in recent seasons.
And giannis for 2020 as well
@@moaazelkady3436 I agree. Lebron played all 82 games and led his team to the finals win that year. I second this comment he should have 5 mvps about now
@@jaysouthmusic8230 which season? his last season where he played at least 70+games was in the 2017-2018 season. the upcoming ones was under 65 games.
@@crimsoncoconut2421 That was the 2019-20 season where they continued the season in the bubble during the pandemic. Lebron played all the games that year and was the 1st seed and didn't win the MVP
@@jaysouthmusic8230 LeBron didn’t play every game that year
The graphic showing all the players who have won championships in the recent years who were also load managing shows correlation, but not causation. Yes, those players may have been load managing, but they were also some of the greatest players to ever lace em up. Kinda hard to separate those 2 factors to determine if it actually contributed to them winning or not.
Exactly and this is the issue with videos like these. Mike has a tendency to make these things where it's "make up your own mind" where as someone like Thinking basketball really lays it all out factually and presents you with what's the case. It's a bummer cuz Mike has videos that are better than this.
Plus when every top team just about has been load managing it doesn’t mean it caused them to win. If 3 of the playoff teams load managed ok maybe but if the whole league does it then it becomes irrelevant
This is why guys like MJ and Kobe always get my respect
They always gave you your moneys worth. Too many spoiled divas in the nba nowadays
You respect someone who raped somebody?
Gregg Popovich started load management with Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.
He was keeping the older guys fresh for the playoffs.
That's understandable because they're both old in basketball standards but so many people are load managing nowadays that it's unfair for the fans especially those who travel far to see their favorite players just for them to sit down and not play
Can’t forget Manu
AND THEN IT'S FOLLOWED BY STEVE KERR THAT BUNCH OF GEN-Z FANS DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE KEKL
@@Wix1306 had a brain fart and forgot his name. Thank you
Wrong Duncan and Parker were ventran players who all nba teams would rest that was not new kawie got his feelings hurt because he thought he deserved the same treatment even though he was young and not that seasoned vet he is the one responsible for this and the sad part is if he would have faced a healthy warriors in the playoffs we know he wouldn't have that chip lol
I’m going to call my boss and ask him why I don’t get load management. Lol. soft ass players and some of us work in construction and still go in sick or not, family problems and just life in general.
I feel like contract incentives would go a long way in motivating people to work harder
I’ll try 😰💅💯
bruh millions of doll hairs not enough? common meng. What ppl finna say now? penalize? them teams just gonna pay it out ez.
Exactly.
There aren't much of contract incentive, when superstars already make double digit millions. You will have to put a very very good incentive for superstars to be interested, which in a long run it is a hidden raise and most owners are not going to pay for it. Load Management is a flood gate they opened, and now they can't close it.
There are really only two way to solve it. one like you say pay more money but players already getting 50% of revenue, not profit. How much more are owners willing share? The other way seems unlikely that is when load management fail to work, it is essentially your boss giving you a pay holiday, you will make sure it work.
I like that idea basically a per game salary as opposed to an annual salary
I think something that’s often overlooked too is that we also have a whole generation players raised AAU ball that’s wearing down players way sooner than prior generations. I remember an article awhile ago i interviewing draft combine physical therapists stating players having knee and foot injuries, found in often 40 year old plumbers. Tack on the regular league season and preseason tourneys and a kid may have clocked in hundreds of games before reaching college. So even with load management, players are getting hurt because there’s so much stress on players bodies already.
Yes. This is not talked about nearly wnough
For real and also they won’t talk about it because the revenue made even at the AAU level. They need to slow down on the amount games played but then if you as a high schooler don’t play you’d be at a competitive disadvantage to get good looks for college.
late 90's rookies played AAU ball too, in fact, they played on a lot of camps not just AAU.
@@crimsoncoconut2421 OP is trying to say this generation of players is taking more physical abuse at younger age, not that 90s player don't attend camps or AAU. I don't have stats or facts to back me up, but he has a point. Children these days grow faster, bigger and taller. I see grade 8 or 9 children reaching 6 ft quite a bit more than when I were growing up. There is a possibilty they are competing against children just as big at younger age than what it used to be. Again don't take my word for it, I don't have stat to back myself up.
I personally dislike load management either, especially the current shoot shoot shoot era.
I agree with you 100%. It's playing too much & early sports specialization. This happens to baseball as well, many kids' arms just blew up.
This just adds to Wilt’s greatness. He averaged almost 46 minutes a game in a high pace era, won finals mvp in 72 with a broken right wrist, and wore Chuck Taylor’s his whole career. Nowadays, even with advanced sports science and star players having signature shoes designed specifically for them, players are playing less games and minutes per game than ever
You havnt researched wilts career at all have you?
@@yerik6034 clearly I haven’t at all
@@chrilpy clearly in denial
this is facts. i’ve been a kings fan and de’aaron fox fan since 2017. i flew to sacramento from canada last week to watch the kings plays against the pelicans. my first ever nba game and de’aaron fox sat out. what made it even worse is that zion williamson didn’t even play either smh 🤦🏾♂️
I understand the idea of load management for the NBA player, but there should be consequences. If an ordinary person does not show up for work due to being burned out/fatigued/or does not feel like working, that person can call in sick. That is what sick leave is for. If the employee does not have sick leave, they are docked one day's pay for an unexcused absence from work. Maybe the NBA should incorporate a similar system. What I think the NBA should not allow players to do is to load manage without being docked for missing that particular game. Maybe that forfeited salary could go toward that player's charity of choice.
I feel like the more time goes on players justifiably make themselves weaker and don't play through the pain like they used to but the contracts get bigger and soles of their egos
"Play through the pain" are you insane? or just not actually an athlete? you can play through fatigue, but should never play through pain. That is a recipe for disaster.
@@tristanmules7995 🧢
@@tristanmules7995 yeah that dude is wrong. in load management they rest even without injuries
@@tristanmules7995 I can tell you aren’t an athlete yes “play thru the pain” everyone else on your team is everyone else in the league is stop being a bitch. “Oh my legs are sore I can’t play” “I have a cold” “I gotta bruise last game I can’t play” sound like some school girls
A lot of players play through pain regardless. Not because they are forced to, but because they want to themselves. This is probably not a great thing for their bodies though. Only very specific injuries, like a calf strain for example, actually improve by putting load on it. As the extra blood to the muscle can increase the healing process. Usually though, it is a bad idea.
The play in tournament made things worse. Now that almost every team in the conference will make the play offs / play in you really only need your players to be ready at the end of the season.
The Play-In Tournament made the league more competitive, look at the West. Although they should implement rules where the play-in gets cancelled if the 9th and/or 10th seed is a certain amount of games behind the 8th seed (probably around 3-5 GB). In terms of the health of players, injuries happen to nearly every single team. It's part of the game. To prevent injury, I personally think that load management is not the way to go. As PG13 said, it doesn't strengthen the players and ruin momentum. To win a championship, you would need some injury luck on your side as well as the usual skill, as seen in the past 30-40 champions.
That doesnt make any sense, if anything the playing makes it more competitive for seeds 7 through 10
Exactly it’s really dumb. If you can’t be good enough to be an 8th seed then you shouldn’t be in the playoffs. And if your a 7th seed team and a let’s say one of your better players gets injured at the end of the season and you lose the play in, now you’re out of the playoffs yet you’re the 7th seed? It’s a dumb system that I hope gets removed.
bad take
I think players put a lot more strain on their lower body’s these days because the way the game is played. Before Mike D’Antonis seven seconds or less offense, the game was not as fast. Also in the 80s, 90s, and even the early 2000s, the game used much more core and upper body strength. Now that it’s a game of speed, we have players like Kevin Durant with no upper body strength thriving in the NBA. Pace of play is what’s causing the need for load management. Too much strain on lower bodies
You should WATCH some 80s ball.
Modern ball is so slow its boring.
They score more coz of the stupid number of 3s
@@sugarnads I’ve watched plenty of 80s basketball. There were few very fast teams, but there were the Denver nuggets and Phoenix Suns who focused on fast break offenses. 80s ball was very slow. I suppose the showtime Lakers were fast also
I would agree actually
@@sugarnads rules as well no hand checking free throws for touch fouls, etc.
Injuries have been increasing across most sports. This has little do do with pace of play and more to do with modern training and sleeping habits.
Being from Spain, a country where the top basketball League has 34 regular season games, I think that 82 games are manageable, but with certain changes. NBA season is unbelievably short for that amount of games, specially for teams that don't make the playoffs (October 18th to April 9th is ridiculous). I think that, by lengthening the RS by 1 or 2 months, players would be in better condition come the playoffs. Here in Spain, RS spans from September 30th to May 21st just to play 34 games, while playoffs start on May 25th and end on June 27th. Take note, Mr. Silver.
Incentives in contracts would help, as well stricter salarie capping. A lot of thess owners are willing to let a start sit out games because it is financially beneficial. The crowds are still coming and a 50,000,000 dollar star is “resting.” They missing the game instead of risk injuring themself and missing 5,10 or the season. Owners can promote the opportunity that they may get to see a star play while protecting their stars like fragile pieces of China.
I think load management can be fine，with some codnitions：1. you give up that portion of the salary；2. you announce at least 2 days before the game；3. if you load manage more than certain numher of games，you don't get to be selected for awards
That's fair because sitting on the danm sideline watching doesn't do shit for the player or the team
This should be pinned
@@archithbinoj24-89 glad you agree bro
@@seanmc5949 and it negatively affects the fans
now that is definitely fair especially the awards part, particularly the mvp award
Cant they include a clause in contracts stating games missed without injury reason comes out of your salary at the end of your year. If you play 78 gamss in the regular season and 10 games in the post season (everything) you will have missed 4 games. Then at the end of the year, they will look at your salary and take off 4/88 (1/22) of that. Do you guys think that works?
Dec 21st 2022 I spent 800 USD per ticket to watch my Lakers play the suns. ….. AD, Westbrook and Lebron all sat out… what #*€% waste of money, left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t think I’ll ever go to an NBA game again until the league fixes this shit!! What a disgrace
One thing that most ppl overlook is how worn down their bodies can be before they even get to the NBA. Lots of doctors across the country are reporting an unprecedented number of serious injuries on teenage athletes. And this phenomenon isn't exclusive to basketball players, it's also being seen particularly in baseball and soccer players as well. Injuries that are mostly associated with college and professional athletes are now becoming common for kids, some before they even get to highschool.
Most experts say it's due to organizations like AAU that focus on tournaments that take place in a span of only a couple days, add practice almost every day to the equation and overtime it puts wear and tear that can lead to more injuries. These experts also point to the fact that this doesn't seem to be occuring in other countries, where most top athletes are funneled into academies that actually take the time to train and develop them without an absurd number of regulation games like in the US.
the players sitting out makes it tough to buy a ticket to go see a game. with the high cost of games already, you be paying for a ticket to net even see the player you want to see. also, i do the same thing with games on tv. put it on, see the star player isnt playing, turn it off.
You would think load management would help reduce the number of injuries but that doesn't seem to be the case. It feels like people are still injured left and right all the time
KD is sitting back on ass from an injury from warmups 😭🤦🏿♂️
The game is more competitive and humans are less healthy. Even elite athletes are products of their environment and this planet is simply getting sicker.
Hi Mike,
I really liked your video and thank you for your deep views. I am a sports scientist (also for professional teams). The topic is a bit more complex, also the science you described is much more complex. In my opinion, the goal of load management should be to be able to play every game and not be under-trained or over-trained. So also avoiding exactly what PG was talking about. I feel like the term is also just used a lot and that often isn't really the reason for sitting out. But that depends a lot on what scientific model the club takes for its load management. Whether subjective or objective data or both are used in a complementary way, how individual load management is done, if the coaches really go along with it etc. etc.. The next problem is that we have two more influences: Very early sport specialization and the game is higher and faster. These could be two very big reasons why players currently get injured despite good load management.
I hope the ideas bring some more perspective into the discussion :)
See ya!
As a long time fan I think it does. No fan wants to pay alot of money hoping to see labron or Ja Morant play for the first time live. Only to find out they are sitting out.
I think the difference is that in earlier eras of basketball, you needed to make sure you won/played in all the regular season games possible to get to the playoffs. There were no nights off if you wanted to get to the playoffs. But now with the way teams are built and players understand what they are playing for (a championship) in addition to some of these honest power imbalances between teams, you just figure out how many games you need to get to the playoffs. Especially the better teams knowing that they can manage 50+ wins with a hobbled roster. Add in player autonomy and free agency, and it shouldn’t be hard to see how we got to where we are. Players are playing for longevity, not just for fans or nightly glory.
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its one way to force to lessen nba games for sure.. since the game may not slow down, otherwise, really bring down the pace and have teams milk the shot clock will help ease the stress
I think the run and gun style and pace of play has increased a lot with threes. That puts more stress on the body than post dominated era with centers and mid range dominating
Joe DiMaggio said it best paraphrasing; there might be someone in the stands who never got to see me play before and never will again.
Like someone else already said on here, give them a certain amount of games they can take off, other than if they are injured of course. Say, 5 to start then you work your way up to 10 or something like that. Once you “load manage” more than your allowed amount of games, you don’t receive a check for the games you miss.
Why can't the games be scheduled in a traditional but reversed european soccer style? Primary Games in the Week on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday where teams can play separately on those days (Day Off Monday) and teams play at least once during the weekend. That's 3 Games down from 4 or 5 a week.
Great vid. I was calling this out years ago bc it's really not about how many games players are sitting out it's about WHICH games. Regular season Finals rematch everyone looked forward to for months? Guaranteed half the all stars "got injured" 2 games prior. That's why I stopped watching NBA. Eliminate back to back games, reduce to 60 regular season games, put played min requirements for MVP voting, idk but the league has to do something. At least broadcast in 4k lol
I agree with Edwards. “if you’re 70-80%, you still gotta play.” when i was playing multiple sports in high school, i maybe played 4-5 soccer games at 100% because i would practice so much that id strain my quads or hamstrings and sometimes bruise the front of my ankle to the size of an orange just to improve.
I can think of two ways to fix this.
1. Shorten the season
2. Players MUST play a certain percentage of games to qualify for awards, all nba, and the all star game,
Why does the game put more stress on bodies today? Back in the 1960s, when Wilt played all those minutes, they didn't have 5-star hotels, charter flights, personal trainers, masseuses, and catering services in the locker rooms (and practices). The players traveled by train, or during the rare times they flew, it was coach. They routinely played four games in five nights, on slippery courts (because most of the floors were laid over hockey ice, which would melt during the course of the game) and in smoke-filled arenas.
Here's something from George Mikan's Lakers 1949-50 season:
On Sunday, they played the last game of the regular season, a loss to Rochester that left them tied with Rochester for first.
On Tuesday, they played Rochester in a one-game playoff.
On Wednesday, they began their first-round series against Chicago.
Well, at least they had one day off, right? No. On that "free" Monday the Lakers had to play a game against the Harlem Globetrotters (back when they were a real team, not the clowns you see today), for which everyone got paid - except the Lakers players because it was part of their contracts that they had to "promote" the game in any way the owners defined.
Four games in four nights. Show me any player today who would do that. Even a 12th man.
It would be different if they were playing 70 games per year. That would mean they'd only miss 12 games spread throughout the season but some of these players are playing 50 games a year and missing 32 game throughout the season. This is not good.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "Load Management works better for players that are more injury prone" - Load Management in regards to playoff success, is one of the many factors in context to winning the finals. The obvious outlier that is 2019 Raptors situation with Leonard, Toronto had well balanced squad, lucky bounce, and injured key players on GSW that led to that championship; but in regards to other championships, it can be argued that load management had minor effects on playoff success. Key Match ups, Play Off EXP, Team Cohesion, and Individual Performance/Health are more important things to consider for judging a teams success in the playoffs; more of a priority than Load Management (it is a factor in each players Health)
That being said, on the fan perspective, it is tough to see them disappointed not seeing all stars playing or opting to sit out, especially if they saved up for a long time to see one game in the season.
I think lots of players have more explosive potential now than in previous years. A more explosive athlete is at more risk of injury. Simply put, these guys got a lot more muscles now. There is something to be said of the conditioning element. But a lot of players had bad landing mechanics, running gate, or might have genetic predisposition to certain levels of injury. I’m sure what happened to Brandon Roy, Greg Oden and others exists on a spectrum.
Then you got guys like Grant Hill who were pushed to the verge of retirement but then came back and had respectable, but less explosive careers.
Can you do a video about player's number of sprints per game and player's distance travelled per game. Compare them throughout NBA history with the number of injury happen per season. I do believe the staggering amount of game per season affecting the players condition which resulted to their respective injuries.
If you keep running players to the ground days in days out, you're bound to suffer an injury at least one per season especially if you're playing at a high level. Yes, I do think some players are overpaid, but human condition are limited as it is.
The NBA is a job like us people. But if we’re working 40+ hrs a week, can’t we also ask for some “load management”? (s/o to the healthcare workers), bc the NBA should be treated like a job you come to every day to work your best. A night or two off is fine but not 10+ games.
I’ve been an NBA fan all my life but each and every passing year I care less and less.
Unfortunately I think a day comes where I don’t care anymore.
same here! i can barely watch a whole game anymore. Stupid foul calls, players flopping, no defense and add to that players sitting out because reasons. nah man this has turned into a clown show.
Gotta blame some of the media heads in this video. They judged players careers strictly off championships. They can’t be mad when the player doesn’t prioritize the regular season.
The next cba will be interesting. You know investors aren't happy with players doing this
I think it’s the AAU, more resistance training and not enough strength training. By the time some players come in the NBA or when they hit college it’s the first time they’ve had a structure built for them that they’re bodies can’t handle.
Simply and easy fix, reduce the games. It’s no reason for there to be 82 games in a season and far more for the playoff teams. Though it also comes down to the players and organizations to do a better job. Although we have seen old school players fight through this, with far less medical research and recourses. But that’s going to take money out out owners pocket, so that most likely won’t be happening, so maybe not so simple.
LOL players and teams will load manage even if you slash 12-16 games off the season
The better solution is coaches using their 15-man rosters BETTER
@@MrBlazemaster525 Ehh, I don’t really see that happening. If it’s 16 games straight then yeah. What I’m getting at is the rest periods players are given to fully recover their body before trying to play at 80%-%100 on the court.
@@mrfamousamos9819 or again, use your rosters better
Argument's sake they go to like 66-70 games but stars still skip 20-25% of games - that's more a gyp than 73-74 games of 26-28 minutes of star time on floors
Yeah lessen the games and mess up the entire record books.
@@wvu1275 No different from rule changes fluctuating players stats by a crazy amount compared to decades ago. Obviously you’re not going to go from 82 to 42 over the course of a year.
I think it might be footage of it i can’t find it but i remember it was back in 2019 or 2020 and Anthony Davis was asked why he didn’t play and he said he didn’t feel like it
The NBA owners and players association need to come up with an agreement where players can only be eligible to sign lucrative contracts if they play a required amount of games in a season. It would be hard though cause injuries would impact players much worse than they already do.
This could happen in the future. The NBA now has a 65-game rule for players to be eligible to win awards.
Okay I used to play four hours everyday after school and run games and during the summer I was a the gym playing from the morning well into the night then on days I didn’t play I would run ten miles. Now it did have an effect on my life. I tore my quad, lost all the cartilage in my knee, tore my mcl and don’t have any tendons attaching my right knee I have to wear and brace everyday all day and some days I can’t walk. But I’m also not a millionaire with the best medicine available to keep me going. So I say yeah miss a couple games but think of this Kawhi has never played a full season and the most he’s played twice is 72 games. He has missed almost four full years of basketball.
Softer than funeral home music killed me 😂😂
They need to reduce the number of games or put in a rule that you must play a certain percentage of games to qualify for any awards.
imagine going into work tmr and tell ur boss, I don't feel 100% today so I'm taking a day off to rest
The games way different now, faster, more athletic, bigger players. All of which contribute to more wear and tear on a players body.
Devil’s advocate. The game is different than it used to be. We’ve seen some pretty crazy teens recently that you wouldn’t have seen that skilled that young. The game is faster, more physical, more skilled and just overall more taxing on your body. Just the other night a couple teams had 70+ at half time. There are too many games in a season or just close together for the intensity these guys play night in and night out. I get that they are professional athletes but they aren’t superhuman either
Bro I couldn’t find that korzelight channel
It's definitely a fine line and I feel like it's obviously slightly different player to player but I do agree with pg13 in that it's tough for a body to keep it's plyability if it's on load management all the time. I think it's more detrimental to performance if there's more load management but if you over do it you could be risking a burnout or possible injury
I personally wouldn't say I'm "against" load management because I don't think there's a realistic way to control it, and I don't think it would be fair to either. If a player says he is dealing with or even trying to reduce the effects of a chronic injury the league can't really be like 'no you're not lol.' If the league really cared about load management they would either remove back to back games or reduce the number of games so the regular season matters more and the players have more time to rest. On another note, from the NBA media to a casual conversation among friends the culture of the NBA puts championships on a pedestal. Since the two main goals are to maximize your body's potential to make the most money you can and hold up for a whole season to win a ring, it's extremely unsurprising that the consequence would be strategically resting during regular season games. Yeah it sucks for the fans buying tickets to not see their favorite players, but there's pretty obvious reasons why this has become the new meta for the NBA.
0:31 - 0:33 lol Jimmy 🤣
A correction - 2021 wasn't a load managed season by Kawhi Leonard. He played back-2-backs and 35 mins a game. His missed games were due to covid protocols twice and a legitimate eye injury.
Simple solution to load management. Next cba, have a players salary deducted by 1/164 (aka deducted half a games pay for each game sat with no injury) and 1/41 for ever nationally televised game (two game deduction). Sure, they can go in, play 2 min and sub out, but do you think hyper competitive players are gonna want to take a hit to their stats? Look at what giannis did to try to get a triple double
John Stockton played 19 seasons and missed only 22 games. Played until he was 41 years old and even in his last season played all 82 games and averaged 28 minutes played per game hence why no one will probably ever touch his all time assists and steals record. And before you say "he wasn't physical" go watch him fight Jordan, Barkley, Rodman, David Robinson etc. Barkley even said "I was trying to separate his shoulder or break a rib" after playing him once.
It's a pretty simple solution:
scale salary based on games played. Play? Get 100% of your salary that match. Sit? Get 20%. Play less than half of the available game time? Get 40%.
You'd need protections - so for example you might only apply it to players making more than the mid-level exception, or something like that - but it gives teams the ability to recoup losses when stars are out, and it disincentivises players sitting when they're not actually injured.
On top of that, the league does need to reconsider the number of games per year (perhaps down to 72 from 82) and pacing the year better - perhaps with a break 1/3 of the season in (for mini-camps that players are expected to attend) and the all-star break at the 2/3 mark (with a vastly improved mechanism for that nonsense).
It would make a difference, I think.
nope don't reduce the games and Get guaranteed contracts out the league
Each players are different in terms of durability. It comes down to how the conditions themselves throughout the season and off season. There are many factors to consider. You can’t just compare the players without taking in some of these critical variables.
Players who had played for a long time, like lebron is an exception. At their age, you expect them to play less games.
What about data prior to 2018? Like the 5-10 years prior maybe check those All Stars
The biggest fault of players not playing goes to the fans. If you guys appreciated the regular season, if you guys appreciated the players, rather than slandering all 29 teams that don’t win a ring every year, maybe the players would feel more indulged to play. Players rest to stay healthy to try and win championships. I don’t like it, but I’m not blind to the fact that the fans started this.
Personally I think the league should have 75 games a season divided into 25 games a quarter
• From October to Christmas in December ( 25 games )
• From January 1st to All Star Break ( 25 games )
• after all star break final stretch ( 25 games )
• at the end of the regular season the following week is dedicated to the play in Tournament and the week after the play offs start proper with seeds 1-6 effectively getting a BYE week while Seeds 7-10 enter via the play in
I say 75 games because the most games won in nba history is 73 so 75 is a good max for teams and tbh does changing it from 82 - 75 really change anything? That’s 7 less games and it makes the regular season more important because those 7 games will be costly
Also the week after all star weekend should be a rest week so you can do free agency starting the Monday after all star break & ending the next Monday with games resuming on Tuesday
Also I’d make a rule saying you must play 50 games or more to qualify for nba awards
This includes
• mvp
• dpoty
• rookie of the year
• sixth man
• most improved
• nba all team selection
If you don’t play 50 or more you don’t qualify, if you wanna be strict I’ll even say 60 and give you a 15 game grace period for injury
This is genius. Tho i doubt it'll happen sadly because the NBA will lose too much money from the 7 less games (tv and ad revenue)
@@danny5406 yeah but the play in tournament I feel could make up that money as they’d be must see games and ultimately it’s just 7 games that won’t make teams any better or any worse, and it makes the 75 games you get must see because those games now carry more value because you have less games to play and players will still have to play in at least 60 games to qualify for awards so out of the 75 games your at least getting stars to play in 60 of them then the lost of 15 works unless a player suffers a serious injury
It’s strange that track/cross country athletes do the opposite. Overload workouts in the regular season, taper for the championships.
Kawhi is the face of Load Management lol
In the 60' they werent even putting the same amount of miles. Wily played 48.5 minutes, basically standing still under the basket for 24'. The speed and the total distance can't even compare
The body is an incredible machine that is incredibly adaptive. So to go off what PG said, if you play more, and practice harder your body will adapt and get stronger. So I think load managing is not allowing players to build that tolerence that players in the past had. So even though they are sitting out and practicing less, when they go to play hard in a game or the playoffs they are hurting knees, ankles, achilles cause they ain't got that tolerance of yester years. If you look at players like Bron, PG, James Harden, Westbrook, KD, Steph, Klay...guys that were around in the late 2010s..they were playing 75-80 games a year when practices was still hard, there were more back to backs, and more travel. Once load managing became excepted now all those dudes (outside of Russ) get hurt more often and play less. In the Bulls 2nd 3peat MJ didn't miss a game...not one and he was 32-34. Will there be some Brandon Roys if players played more, unfortunately yes, but I think on the whole if players played more and build up their bodies to handle the stress they could easily play as much as the players in the past cause they have so many more luxuries and medical advancements to aid in that.
Players now put more stress on their bodies, and they get injured more than before. I think the season is too
long, 82 games are a lot. There are games that are a waste of time.
NBA 2023 is immeasurably stronger & faster than the 60’s or 70’s…
They are just superbly more athletic - which is obviously more stressful on the body.
Seeing the stars sit out sucks, but makes sense..
The season could be spread out with fewer games & more rest nights.
Yes load management is ruining the league if they are healthy they healthy to play if not they injured it cant be in the middle
Wrong
It's not the Stone Age anymore
@@rektz2457 stone age basketball was better too
@@MaxAndersonn yeah have fun watching 60s basketball
@@alexescutia4805 at least there wasnt no flopping and load management
I WISH my work paid me to stay at home so I don’t “overwork” myself 😹
load management has been going around a little longer than '18. i remember the spurs doing it regularly first about 5 years earlier
players in previous generations were not specializing in and playing 100 organized games per year from the time they were 8. pre-nba mileage is still mileage.
there is just to many games in a season. especially hwen considering back to backs. games would be interesting if there was less of them or more time between games. so they could go at them full steam
I think load management has more to do with the inconsistency in which how many games are played per week. Some teams will play 2 or 3 games, whereas other teams will play 4 or 5 in a 7-day period. Designate 4 games a week for 19 weeks = 76 games a season. Designate "game days" (example: Mon, Tues, Wed, Sat are always game days). If the expectation and consistency are there, I theorize we'll see less "load management".
I think an interesting solution to add to the competitive nature of the game would be a required amount of games played barring severe injury . Ofc this will be met with protest initially… but Incentivize being active to get paid . Or losing the ability to compete . I think if if a teams medical staffs performance becomes a factor , the NBA would see a rise in games played . Opens up an entire aspect of the game too . How well can this squad keep their players intact .
An example of this actually working would be homologation rules in racing . Produce a set number of real world examples to be permitted to compete regardless of the size of manufacturer. I’m just brainstorming here tho , I’m sure one of you are gonna poke holes in this 😂
The only player that should realistically be load managing at this point is LeBron because of his age. No one else. Also, why are we only blaming the player? The coaches are often at fault too. If they tell a player not to play, they won't. SO these organizations need to be held accountable too
because the game is much quicker in today's NBA and most of these guys have been putting stress on their body since they were 7. Why the hell would you play Kawhi 40 minutes a night when its been proven he has weak legs?
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If you look at 8:17 look at the first 10 people who average the most games they need to play those games as well in order for their team to even make the playoffs bc besides jokic who has a good chance of winning now bc he has a team and Tatum none of these players have ever been considered title favorites on their teams and besides cp3
A big big component that I feel is missed from this video and is kinda lingering in the background is that a lot of these calls for sitting guys out is coming from management and team doctors. We say that Kawhi and Lebron are sorta the faces of load management but I can be certain that they aren't the ones saying they will sit from game to game. The Clippers want the most healthy version of their players for a post season run. The Lakers want to make sure their star who is one of the oldest players in the league stays on the court with full health.
It varies from player to player. It's a good point, but some players are calling the shots on their load management. Kawhi literally told the Spurs he wasn't playing, to the point that the veterans in the locker room yelled at him and he demanded a trade. Then, when he signed with Toronto, he made sure they understood he would play when he wanted to and wouldn't be forced. Maybe the Clippers medical staff has his back, I don't know. But he definitely has put pressure on organizations in the past to let him sit.
@@bradleylovej yes. Kawhi had a big say in his load management with the Spurs but it's important to remember that the Spurs were pushing to have him rush back to playing when he wasn't ready. In that case, they truly didn't risk him getting a significantly worse injury and he wasn't having it. But I do agree with you that some players truly do want to take some games off, in certain arenas, against certain teams. But I wouldn't say it's even half of the stars.
I like the charts. In the case of Giannis he's playing like 29 min/game this season, but not because he wants to. Coaches are doing most of the limiting. Although in the case of the bucks they are still #1 in wins, so maybe it's fine if you rotate the load management.
I think another big reason is the focus on per game stats. No one cares about total points, assists, rebounds on the season. So why play in back to back games if it is more likely to hurt your per game stats?
Case in point...the 73-9 GSW choked in the Finals...their bodies were absolutely worn out as they had chased that coveted record. Load management was out the window
Honestly reduce number of games a season. 82 games per team is crazy compared to most other sport. You dilute the intensity of games. Less games, no load management. Each game is played at full intensity. Viewership goes up because there’s less 3rd string team lineups against tanking teams which are pretty mediocre to watch.
American sports having no relegation is baffling too. The fact you’re rewarded for being bad.
Ok what I think Mike is asking in the simplist terms that I can think of is does he believe players that gets hurt should they somehow still be able to play if they can? If that's the question then my answer is yes I think players should now of course if their really hurt then no they shouldn't
How could the 100 point game be fake when people not only attended it but actually played in it
Back in the day careers ended in the early to mid 30s after about ten years in the league. If you’re making millions, doing load management and playing into your late 30s could end up costing $200+ million now if you don’t extend your career. Be honest, no matter how rich you are, you’re not giving up $200 million to retire early. Plus guys today are starting their careers after one year of college where as until the 90s, most guy were four year college players.
Honestly resting players coming off a injury makes sense like AD or KD I wouldn’t wanna rush them back on the court but resting healthy players makes no sense because nowadays players don’t need multiple days to rest in order to be ready for a game. A back to back is understandable because they might wake up sore and tired but if you don’t have a back to back then there’s really no excuse this ain’t the NFL where you get hit constantly.
Game is far more dynamic and intense on the body now, and they learnt theres no point busting yourself in a long season and getting injuried before the playoffs even start. If anything the regular season should be reduced by 5-10 games
Players now a days make so much money on and off the court that even if you fine them a game check for every game they miss do to load management it wouldn't make a difference... IDK who the NBA will fix this but they need to fans pay way to much just to gamble if players will play or not
There are more points to adress unfortunately. Teams are not pushing the players to compete during regular season, in fear of the player might ask for a trade. So basically, untill a new collective agreement comes into motion, it will be like that. The craziest point is that people who are on their primes, miss a lot of games due to load management, and that results to stop being able to evolve as players. Leonard will never reach his true ceiling, same does Kyrie, who will be sooner than later out of the league or on a veteran minimum contract. Does this kills the hype of the fans? Yes. Bucks are the top team the past 5 seasons, won a ring, played through injuries and now they capitalize on that. Warriors had more playoff success than the Bucks, but still even after their ring, it doesn't feel the same to the fans, because their core is resting 30 games per season.
I think there are two types of load management -- there’s a difference between reducing your workload just to “stay fresh” and reducing your workload while nursing and playing through a legit injury. Consider this, if the NBA permanently reduced the schedule from an 82 game season to a 72 game season, would there also be an equal reduction in load management? Would everyone then be able to play the full season, or would they still sit out for 10 games a year? What about a 64 game season? How many load management days would you need then? If you’re healthy enough to play, you should play.
I go to 1 game a year because I don't make a whole lot of money. I go to see the big time guys coming to town. I went to see Giannas, he sat out. I went to see Embiid, sat out. It seems like every time I go to see a player they sit. It's a big let down. Tatum too.
I think it has alot to do with this " if you don't win multiple chips your a bum mentality" players are willing to snub fans if it gives them that edge in post season.
I'm from another country so when I watch the games and I see no superstar playing I just switch to another game so it's not THAT big of an issue for me. But people that pay hundreds of dollars and can afford to go to a game 1-2 times per year and get robbed of the opportunity to see superstars battle and end up paying to watch a bunch of role players MUST be enraged by this. Especially when it's opposite conference teams that you only play once or twice and you go to see KD and then BOOM dude's load managing. F that.